remain the same

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>>687685915

>>687686535
seconded

It will stay the same.

Ice expands, so wont it fall?

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now that op question has been answered lets make this an Ass thread

Since the ice cube isn't completely submerged it will raise slightly.

The ice isn't necessary fully submerged in the water, the the water level is only dependent on how much is displaced, as ice melts all of it becomes part of the water which would indicate a rise on the water level, however the ice is less sense that water so it occupies a smaller volume when as water.
Key point it depends on whether the volumes not displaced by the water is greater that the change in volume that occurs when melting

>>687687059
source?

>>687686727
/thread

Archimedes' principle indicates that the upward buoyant force that is exerted on a body immersed in a fluid, whether fully or partially submerged, is equal to the weight of the fluid that the body displaces. Archimedes' principle is a law of physics fundamental to fluid mechanics.

>>687687321
To show this mathematically I think you'd need to do some calculus associated with how rate of change of surface area varies with volume, then look at some data for the relative densities of ice and water. Pretty sure the answer would differ depending on the size of the ice cube

>>The water level remains the same when the ice cube melts. A floating object displaces an amount of water equal to its own weight. Since water expands when it freezes, one ounce of frozen water has a larger volume than one ounce of liquid water.

>>687687790
That's not calculus breh

>>687687685
That seems like simple resolving of forces, does that affect how the water level depends on how far submerged the body is? Surely not bc if you push the cube in further the water level rises

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When the cube melts, it adds to the level of the water. That means the level goes up.

retards, all of you.

>>687685915
spotted the american
>3rd world schooling system

>>687688236
The mass of the ice is gone and then replaced by the extra water. It stays the same, retard.

It will rise you pieces of shit this is why yall should have been aborted

>>687687988
Pretty sure it is, doing differentials (dA/dV in this case) comes under calculus

>>687688442
The water level rises, the total water volume drops

>>687688632
Archimedes' principle explains this better than I can and I care not to so google it faggot

>>687685915

It will rise. When the ice caps melt at the poles the water level rises.

dubs check em

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>>687685915
it will fall you idiots, ice is less dense than water

>>687685915
neither. Ice Cube is a nigger and therefore wouldn't not melt except at temperatures high enough to vaporize the water.

>>687688759
It's funny how you immediatly insult me :^) and this archimedes' principle doesnt prove anything you idiot

>>687686535
no it will fall obviously since ice expands so it will shrink when it melts leaving less volume behind

>>687688951
Less dense, true, but wont the part of the ice cube that sticks above the water level add to the total water level ?

I'm pretty sure the water level will fall...

Water expands a bit when frozen. That's why small cracks on bridges, etc... are so dangerous. Rainwater gets in, freezes, and damages the structure. For example, if you put a completely full water bottle in the freezer, it will most likely break.

So, the ice cube occupies more space while solid than while liquid.

But there yoiu have it... Average education level around the world. I sometimes feel ashamed...

>>687685915
>>687687321

>summer fags trying to seem smart and over "think it"

Water expands when it freezes. So when the ice melts, it condenses. So the water level will drop ever so slightly

>>687685915
anybody who gets this wrong is an idiot who didn't really learn anything in school. It won't change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKiq5EwkzDg

>>687689596
But, the part of the ice cube that sticks out of the water, doesnt this add more to the water 'level' ? not talking about the volume

>>687685915
stays the same

>>687685915
Judging by what actually happens, it would rise.

>>687689360
this

>>687688855

This faggot is right because he applied common sense and referenced an everyday, observable phenomenon. You poindexters should try going out once in a while maybe.

Since the ice, when it floats, displaces exactly its weight in water, when it melts, the water it melts into takes the same volume that the ice cube displaced in the water. So the water level should remain the same.

A small correction to this reasoning comes from the fact that the water cools down as the ice cube melts. Cool water is more dense than warm water, and the water level will go down just a bit as the water shrinks.

A small correction to the small correction comes from the fact that water expands a bit before it freezes. It has a maximum density at around 4 degrees Celsius. If the water has a temperature between 0 and 4 C, and the ice cube melts, the water level should go up because water expands as it cools down in this narrow temperature range.

Now that's a real education, fuck books.

>>687689835
Do you know how little an ice cube sticks out of the water?

>>687689360
/thread

>>687688202
Exactly

So it remains exactly the same, I was on the right lines in that volume is added to the water in the non submerged ice becoming part of the water and that volume is deduced by the fact that water occupies less volume than ice due to density, these volumes are the exact same so there is no overall change in water level.
Another way of thinking of it is that the water regardless of state and given that it's buoyant displaces an amount of water equal to it's weight (dependent on it's mass and g) and so as the water as a whole has maintained the same weight it will displace the same amount of other water

>>687689492
Except the ice cube is not fully immerged, making your point moot.

>>687685915
It will overflow completely and you will need a towel.

>>687689378
nope it evaporates.

>>687690663
and you will need to go back to the 5th grade.

>>687690654
Here
>>687690182

>>687689835
No because ice expands when it freezes. Of course mere expansion isn't sufficient. In order for no change in the water level to occur, what we need is for the change in volume of water after freezing occurs to be exactly equal to the volume of ice that protrudes from the surface of the water when the ice cube is afloat.

Assuming density is directly proportional to "floatability" we should find that, e.g. a substance half as dense as water should float in such a manner that half of its volume rests above the water and the other half below. From here its easy to mathematically prove on this basis that the water level wont change as the ice melts. I'm not expert of physics, but I always did excellent in the subject. I'm more of a pure math fag. Anyway I'm sure you could find the relevant physical equations online or even just derive them from the information in the post (it would be quite trivial to experimentally test there validity).

>>687689786
just watch this video people.

I need help. How do you 4chan

>>687686740
True

Ok we know that it stays the same given it is an isothermal change now, but as water melting is endothermic, does the decrease on overall temperature affect the water level or does the fact that it's a closed system negate this.
There would definitely be heat intake from the surrounds and this would lead to a rise in temperature, thus volume.

>>687688236

You either don't know that water expands when it freezes and contracts when it melts, or you are picturing an ice cube that is floating above the water line, but even in that scenario there would be more ice below than above the water line so the net effect will never be anything but either a lowered water line, or the water line remaining the same.

>>687691018
See
>>687690519
It goes with that idea

>>687691453
it remains the same. Go learn about displacement somewhere.

>>687685915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPgZfhnCAdI

>7:43

>>687691600

A perfect ice cube with an equal amount of ice above and below the water would have a water line that remains the same. But an iceberg in a pool, for example, has a disproportionate amount of ice between the water line, so it would result in something else entirely.

>>687689596
>>687689492

Wrong, wrong some of these ice protrudes from the water. There shouldn't any change because the change in volume exactly equilibrate with the amount that protrudes.

>>687690052
Also wrong. The reason the water level rises when ice melts is because much of the ice is supported, at least partially by land.

>>687691839
Not even remotely true, 'non ideal' ice cubes and icebergs all follow this providing they are not touching the floor surface

>>687691839
no, go back to school. Scale doesn't matter for this experiment. I would also wonder where you are finding an ice cube that floats 50/50. The ice cube and iceburg have the same profile, its ICE it has the same buoyancy regardless of scale.

>>687688202
Then it's no longer a buoyant force

>>687692195
I thinks he's on about distribution above and below the water level, not the size of the ice

>>687692415
i know, you can't get an ice cube that floats half above or half below. Ice never reaches that density difference.

>>687692285
As long as it's not supported then by definition it is a buoyant force, just that the buoyant force is reduced as
Buoyant force = weight + reaction force
Instead of
Bf= W
Check yourself before you go full retard

>>687691018
This is exactly correct. Anyone saying anything else is simply wrong. All you need is the equation D = M/V and Archimdes principle and you can construct a proof of this exact claim.

>>687692617
You probably could for some substance but it wouldn't affect the water level after it's melted

>>687691906
1. What makes you think the amount of ice above the water level correspons EXACTLY to the volume difference?

2. The south pole has land underneath, and is therefore considered a continent (Antarctica). On the other hand, the north pole DOES NOT have any. It's entirely ice.

>>687692195
>not knowing about different types of ice
the question is a trick
the ice in question is ice-9
it is super hot and super pressurized
the water level falls because when the ice is removed from a super pressurized environment and put into the glass it simultaneously boils all the water in the glass and explodes destroying the glass

>>687693143
It some way shape or form it is supports, probably by adjacent land masses such as Canada also the volumes are the same see
>>687690519

>>687693194
Kek.
1/2 an internet for you, firend.

>>687689360
But because ice floats, some of it's volume is above the waterline.

>>687692195
Google polymorphism

>>687693421
How the fuck is the north pole "supported" by Canada? Telepathy? Mapple syrup magic? Dude you went full retard...

Also, using "probably" when trying to make a point just evidences how little you have bothered to research or inform yourself about it.

Your post only states your opinion.

>>687693143
1. Because of experimental evidence and the laws of physics that everyone learns in their HS physics class.

2. The north pole is irrelevant. Its not a necessary condition that ALL of the ice be supported by land. If even some of the ice that is melting is supported by land, then the water level will rise. Your logical skills obviously aren't very good, and neither is your physical intuition. Actually even your reading comprehension must not be that good because in my above post I literally said that if SOME of the ice is supported by land, then the water level will rise.

Why is no one understanding this, there have been plenty of coherent explain actions as to why the water level remains the same and yet some retards are still boastful about how they're right when they're wrong and how poor the education systems are, the irony

>>687690197
Seconded

>>687691906
>Also wrong. The reason the water level rises when ice melts is because much of the ice is supported, at least partially by land.

tell that to the north pole

>>687694022
1. Then state the exact relation between those two, please.

2. And you speak of reading comprehension? I never said ALL ice wasn't unsupported. Also, neglecting the entire north pole when talking about ice caps melting is pretty retarded too, no offense.

>>687694021
It's a suggestion as to how it's supported you retard, the water level rises and so the It MUST be supported in some way which is why is does not obey Archimedes principle. There is ice sheets on Canada, which is a land mass, this supports the ice and so provides a reaction force, which is transmitted to other parts of ice floating in water. You are clearly mentally retarded and need euthanised for the sake of all humanity.

>>687694757
Heh, and I just realised I used "also" and "too" on the same sentence. Man do I need some sleep...

Its almost a if none of you have had a icey drink on a hot day.

>>687694837
>I just admitted my point was not a fact but an opinion. Also, you should be killed because you said otherwise.

lol k bye

>>687694757
Archimedes principle is that the weight of displaced water is equal to the weight of the buoyant objects and the same whether fully or partially submerged. It does not apply when the floating bossy is supported by a reaction force

If you think it lowers or stays th same please don't ever reproduce.

>>687695153
No you said my point on how it was supported by land masses was an opinion, not yours. Also it's a fact that it's support because it has to be for the water level to rise as I've already stated

>>687695174
Yeah, that's totally correct, but I was talking about the relation between that principle and the density difference in the melting of the ice cube. I don't see how the would EXACTLY compliment as most people here are saying.

>>687695362
Please elaborate on how it increases and give a scientific equation/principle to back it up

>>687689786
ty

>>687695484
...
Is this bait? Or do you seriously not know how greentext works?

>>687695605
Just pour a glass of water put some ice in it and observe.

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>>687695798

I can't believe retards are actually arguing over this, it's like basic simple 3rd grade science.

What if we replace the water with jet fuel and the ice with steel beans? Would it float after melting?

>>687685915
fall, the volume water takes up as a solid is greater than that taken up as a liquid. the space displaced by the ice cube is greater than the space it will take up as a liquid.

also, why you such a faggot OP?

>>687695596
Ok I've got you now, so I'll explain
There is water as ice above the surface melts and this is added to the volume
The ice melts and water molecules contract to give liquid water so volume decreases
These are the same and here's why they have to be:
Ok class the water as either water from the ice cube or other water
The water from the ice cube displaces the same amount of other water regardless of what state it is in (the amount it displaces is the same as the volume it occupies) and combining this with the ideas earlier show you the changes in volume must be equal

>>687695946
Look man i drink gin and tonics nearly every day. You can see that shit rise when the ice melts. Its like you fucks have never been to a bar or had a cold glass of lemonade on a hot day.

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>>687686605
DEAR GOD ANON WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO ME

>>687685915
it will rise. not sure if bait

>>687696326
Maybe that alcohol excess left you with too little brain cells, idk

>>687695753
Poes law m8 although this is /b/ and I should probably read the disclaimer a few more times

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This is a very simple problem if you think for a moment.

Archimedes Principle: the upward buoyant force exerted on a body is equal to the weight of the fluid it displaces.

Therefore, total mass of ice x gravity (downward force) = mass of water displaced x gravity (upward force, and the weight of the fluid displaced).

If you cancel the g, then you find total mass of ice = mass of water displaced. So when the ice melts, the water level is replenished at the same rate at which it decreases, since the mass of the ice is converted to an equivalent mass of water. The density of the ice is not relevant.

So when the water level has fallen to its original level, because the ice cube is melted, the same mass has been added to the top layer of the water from the ice cube, so the water level remains the same,

>>687693194
That's not how ice-9 works. There wouldn't be any water left because the ice-9 would freeze it all.

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>>687689360
no it wont.

volume of frozen water in the ice cube above water level melts -> level rises. before that it is not in the water. primitively enough explained? look at your coke at mcdonalds next time

>>687696525
You know it is amusing that you and most of /b/ are so convinced of your brilliance and intelligence, that you are blind to the fact that your a total dumbass.

Holy atupidity it doesnt raise nor lower because of #displacement dumbarses

>>687685915
dearest nignogs:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/110645/why-does-ice-melting-not-change-the-water-level-in-a-container

https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1582

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>>687696949
I am not brilliant. In fact I've been asking for explanations on some other anon's posts at the start of this thread.
But your """explanation""" is just too much for me to handle maturely, sorry.

>>687697294
>due to e=mc^2

feels the need to involve einstein in this. it's not rocket science nigger.

>>687696949
which doesnt change the fact that you are wrong.

>>687697606
its explained in the post too, e=mc^2 means that when energy changes the mass changes too but only by incredibly tiny amounts, therefore the water level will change but by 0.1*10^-8 metres so its like it hasnt changed at all

>>687685915

Same level, just because the weight of the volume of water moved must be equal to the weight of all the ice. So at the same temperature the volume of melted ice must be equal to the volume of water.

>>687697545
I mean you could stay here and be a faggot or you could go see for yourself. I never said i had an explanation now did i? I just said go see it for yourself.

>>687697758
are you sure about this? because E=mc² usually only applies as soon as the nucleus is involved, and in the simple melting and freezing of matter there ususally is no change happening to the nucleus.

>>687697739
Lol anon all it takes is some water an ice to prove thatyour a dumbass. So why pretend that your right?

>>687698018
Anon here >>687695605 asked you to elaborate on your point. You responded with >>687695798 . That's all I'm laughing about.

>>687698018
I actually do have an explanation for your problem. The amount of ice in a longdrink is usually enough so the altitude of the ice in your glass is supported by the container and not by the floating capabilities of the ice in the liquid so the ice is actually outside the liquid when it melts and ads to it from the outside.

The thing is im familiar with both surroundings since im a baarkeeping physics student.

>>687686886
Winner winner chicken dinner

>>687698356
Why would i give anon what he asked for seeing as he is a faggot?
>>687698453
So basically your a faggot

>>687698258
Well I´ve seen it often enough and i studied the matter, it is just an objective fact that you are wrong you can cry, insult and yell as much as you want, that doesn't change thaat you are wrong it has been explained several times here, why you are wrong with actual reliable citations, so yeah go on be ignorant, but an apple doesn't need your aknowledgement to fall towards the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOCqHRpQh88

Generally speaking, the water level will not change. However, in a special case, if the water in the cup is 4°, and enough ice is added to bring the average total temperature of the water to 0.1°, then the volume in the glass decreases by 0.0126%. That's about 6.3 ml in a 500ml glass.

>>687698097
E=mc^2 can apply to any body with mass, not just nuclei

>>687686886
it isnt fully submerged

>>687699208
Depends, if you mean by faggot, that I suck dick while possing one of said dicks my self, you are 100% right.

>>687699208
You sound like the kind of people who would vote for Trump.
Amazing. It's like going to the zoo but without falling kids.

>>687698453
>im a baarkeeping physics student

has to flash credentials of some kind because his explanation is weak as fuck.

>>687699352
Omg lol please anon why you double downing on your dumbassery this faggot here >>687698453
Explains this shit in a way that even you can understand. Like wat u doin anon?

>>687699489
Yes but how does energy get transformed into matter in the case of melting water, which is what you are proclaiming if you claim the water level is rising.

(under the assumption that the watertemperatur before the melting and afterwards is the same)

>>687686535
Unless there is enough ice for it to touch and be supported by the bottom of the glass.

It will fall. The density of ice is less than that of water.

>>687699514
Ahh my fagdar is spot on as always
>>687699685
Dude Trump is fucking awesome, wtf is wrong with Trump?

>>687685915
It depends heavily on the shape and size of the ice cube because that determines how much is submerged when it is floating. The part above water raises the water level but the part below contracts when it melts meaning it contributes to the water level falling.

>>687699685
BUILD THE WALL!

>>687699685
fuck off anti-Trump libtard. Go suck Bernie's old shriveled dick some more.

>>687699705
well I offered an expalanation to why the liquid level in his "gin" might be rising after he put an icecube in, what do you think most barkeepers do when some jerk like you walks in and orders a "strong drink"? Do you actually think you get more lquor in your gintonic? No fucktard you get more ice since the amount of liqour is mostly set the amout of softdrink is not so you simply get less tonic instead of more gin and the excess volume is getting filled with ice hence a shitload of ice and a tiny bit of liquid in your glass.

>>687685915
There's nothing to discuss, the water doesn't rise.

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>>687685915
same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOCqHRpQh88

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>>687699748
my job here is done.

>>687701014
Ohhh shit

>>687701014
Thats some Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde shit right there.

>>687685915
>>687685915
Rise as much as the volume of frozen water above water level.

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>>687685915
Alright guys, let's consider the following in accordance with the graph. (pic related)

The water level will either rise, fall, or stay constant depending on the temperature of the water, ice, room temperature, atmospheric pressure, atmospheric humidity and windspeed. Now I could have posted a graphc of all those factors combined but I'm afraid most of the brain dead channers wouldn't be able to understand it. So instead I'm just going to illustrate how the water level can rise/fall/stay the same based on the relationship between the water temperature and ice temperature alone.

How the water level can rise: As you can see from the graph, water is densest at 4 degrees celsius, meaning the water level is at the lowest point when the water is at 4 degrees C. If the ice melts, it cools down the water and causes the water to expand, thus the water level will rise.

How the water level will fall: If the water starts at a temperature above 4 degrees C and after the ice melts, the water is cooled closer to 4 degrees C, the water level will fall, because the water is now denser.

How the water level can stay the same: if the water is slightly above 4 degrees C, and after the ice melting, is lowered to slightly below 4 degrees C, where the initial water temperature exhibits the same density as the final water temperature, the water level will stay the same.

In all three cases, it is assumed that displacement of the ice cube and the melted volume of the ice cube water is equal. If you disagree with this fact, this post was not meant for you because I don't talk to retards.

Good day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes'_principle#Principle_of_flotation

>>687687063
This. If the ice were all floating on it would rise as much as the water in the ice. But it's probably only half submerged so it'll rise half as much as the volume of the ice cube.

>>687702446
But doesn't the melting ice add to volume in any case. Its not like ice sinks or anything.

>>687703039
I dont understand your question, please rephrase.

>>687702446
>this post was not meant for you because I don't talk to retards.
Oh yes, you do. And I'm talking with one, too.

Welcome to /b/.

Each 1.0 cubic millimetre of ice can displace 0.999... cubic millimetre of water. So the level would drop, since 1 > 0.999...

>>687703822
So the melting ice will add volume to the water. Because it floats. The ice isn't adding to the volume of water until it melts.

>>687704816
The submerged part of the ice is already adding to it's volume. It would rise however much wasn't already submerged.

>>687704816
The ice is partially submerged in the beginning. The submerged portion is called displacement. The reason why ice floats is because it's less dense than water. Being less dense means ice takes up more room, after it melts it takes up less room.

In fact the room that ice takes up after it melts is equal to the displacement of ice floating in water.

>>687705062
Right so wouldn't that happen regardless of the initial temperature of the water?

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>>687704407
You don't need to start this here man

>>687688202
Right but when it melts it reduces to the same volume as what it was displacing, meaning there will be no net increase in water level.

>>687705349
>inb4 HURR DURR I MISSED BASIC MATH AND I THINK .999... = 1

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>>687685915
Archimedes' principle states that the ice weighs the same as the water it displaces.
Since no weight is added when the ice melts the water from the melted ice must also weigh the same as the water originally displaced by the ice.
The water from the ice must therefore have the same volume as the displaced water and therefore the same volume as the part of the ice that was below the surface.
The melted water in other words has the right volume to fill the "hole" in the water left by the melted ice, but not to raise the level of the fluid.

if the icecube melts thats an indicator of teperature rise and as temerature rises water expands and therfore rises.
q.e.d.

>>687705311
Yeah. Temperature doesn't make a difference.

>>687705809
This bait is too obvious

>>687705719
Ice does weigh less than water though

>>687706064
thats why it floats outside the water idiot

>>687705949
The fact of the matter is there are a lot of levels you can take this question to, each plateau will yield a different answer. The kicker is nobody on a lower plateau can see why the conclusion is pne way or another on a higher plateau. Add in the fact that this thread was created for the purpose of trolling and not actual scientific inquiry, it will be near impossible to reach a meaningful conclusion here.

>>687705719
but now that the ice is molten the place that was sticking out of the water is lowering air pressure wbove the waterlevel and therfore getting less pressure on it which therfore rises the waterlevel

>>687697241
See it like that or not, it's the truth

a minuscule amount. only the part of the ice cube above the water will effect the water line.. and as it melts more of the the top section will move onto the bottom so it is almost unnoticed.

Fall slightly

>>687686886
It also floats, so the part out of the water is equal to the level of expansion. Should stay the same.

Ice has a lower density than water, and that's just because of how the crystals form, however this difference is pretty tiny in, say, a block of ice in a glass of water. One cubic metre of ice contains less water than one cubic metre of water. The water would down.

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You guys are actually gonna sit there and argue arent you? Im gonna do the experiment. Gimme a second to get set up, then I'll post pics.

>>687705719
The part not submerged isn't adding to the weight because it's floating. So it would rise the volume of unsubmerged ice.

>>687707715
Try not to heat the water to melt the ice like a retard and only place 1/2 in

>>687702915
It's hard to believe that people as dumb as you exist.

it isn't the weight of the ice cube that effects the volume of the water nor is it the temperature (obviously the temperature can effect the evaporation of the water/melting of the ice cube but this isn't what we're talking about), it's the amount of space the ice cube is occupying.

>>687707715
Pretty civil argument considering the shit tier of bait.

Doubt your experiment will prove anything though, it would be such a marginal difference you probably wouldn't see it.

>>687707802
W=mg you fucking retard actually KYS, weight it a force exterted when a gravitational field and not depending on how much mass is below the surface of the water

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>>687686605
THIS is the right answer!

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>>687702070

it would still have the same volume, water and ice weigh the same amount and displace the same amount. However, it could depend on the size of the glass its in since water can concave and form a bubble over the surface tension of the water and thus could rise higher than if the ice were in the glass to begin with if it was filled right to the top.

>>687708504
No volume has increased, but there is no no ice outside of the water

>>687685915
rise as ice is less dense than water.

>>687705719
This.

Honestly, it's hard to blame people for getting this one wrong, it's hard to wrap your head around.

If only all of you idiots had some kind of material to test this troll with

>>687686605
what a fine dog pussy indeed too bad the tail is not up

>>687708909
It's kind of wrong, the decrease in volume of the water caused by water being more dense than ice compensates exactly for the volume of ice above the water level that becomes part of the water

>>687709148
What the actual fuck anon

>>687709277
I meant that it is Archimedes's principal. Rest of that post is particularly illiterate.

Checked btw.

>>687696617
Queue the music and fanfare.

Give this poster a cookie. Hell, make it a baker's dozen.

>>687708283
Gravity is pushing up on the ice, that's why it's floating dipshit.

>>687685915
fall. ice is less dense than water, that's why it floats.

>>687685915
it rises by the total volume of ice that is above the water if there is any

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOCqHRpQh88

>>687709623
Yeah Archimedes principle shows that because they have the same weight they must displace the same amount of water, once you combine it with the previous idea the problem becomes pretty straightforward

>>687709874
yeah but gravity is different for the bottom and the top. the farther you get from the planets center of mass the weaker the gravitational force gets. thus as the ice melts it gains weight.

>>687699788
The energy is in the water in the form of heat which is then transferred into the ice causing it to melt

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>>687707715
Me again, my setup is simple: I put water in each glass up to the sharpie line. One glass is just water, and I dropped 4 icecubes into the second glass AFTER I mesured the water. So what should happen is the ice cubes will melt, and we should see if the water level goes above, drops under, or drops to the line. The reason for the control is to mesure the amount of evaporation.

And now we wait.......

I'll post a thread when the experiment finishes

>>687710154
Holy shit you're grasping at straws with this shit

the difference between the effect of maybe 5 inches is insignificant

>>687710112
The weight of the unsubmerged ice isn't being take into account because it's floating, being forced up by the water.

>>687685915
you fucking twats, do you even science?
Cause of global warming, it will overflow.

>>687710343
>Being this slow

>>687710236
hahaha omg you retard!

>>687710173
yes and as water cools it shrinks... interesting stuff.
>>687710154
this points to rising (however little amount) but the cooling effect might be more significant.

we need precision measurements.

>>687710433
see>>687710081

>>687707933
I got all of the water and ice from the same fridge, so that shouldnt be a problem

>>687710154
Holy fuck that effect is so incredibly negligible that you need to realise scientific accuracy doesn't care for such tiny changes
Quite in admiration I didn't think of it first

>>687710541
yeah try that shit near a black hole tho you will be surprised.

Eat the cake and sit on the dick

>>687710236
Could've used kettle water to speed it up, also fill to top so you can tell if any significant change happens

>>687710236
It physically hurts to see stupidity of this magnitude

>>687685915
i have your answer right her op
https://www.pinkcherryaffiliate.com/sextoys.php?id=2630&url=11704

>>687710236
This experiment is wrong, you should sharpie the water line after you drop the ice cubes in.

>>687685915
Sometimes I pretend I am retarded and shit in my hand and throw it at people.

>>687710726
Its actually almost done, i expected it to take longer. Fuck all that making a new thread shit

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>>687710476
here is the chart about water density.

>>687689273
>this archimedes' principle
You make it sound like something he pulled out of his ass when it is an accepted law of physics.

>>687710879
Wow I am stupid let me get another glass.

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>>687711238
shit pic also inaccurate

>>687711594
so if the water was room temperature, and the ice cube is at least zero temperature we can assume the liquid end result will be less than room temperature but more than 4C so it will be more dense than before and this means the water level decreases.

>>687711857
archimedes the great cuck never thought about his bath water cooling off. he probably peed in the water if he didn't noticed.

ice cubes also contain small pockets of air, this gets released after it has melted but contributed to the volume of the ice before. The water level will drop a tiny amount because of this.

Also, cold water is denser than hot water so once the cube melts the average temp also drops which decreases the volume.

The answer is yes, but the change in volume is negligible