Are you telling me NO ONE in Planet Salad got mad enough to turn SS?
Cabbage was the strongest which is why he was chosen.
>>139600517
Cabba compares the king to Vegeta in "pride and strength", so he probably isn't the strongest one, which makes the whole situation odd.
>>139600224
Goku, Vegeta and Gohan had to go through hell to achieve that feat and this nigger just got a little bit triggered and that's it?
They really did made ssj a joke
Don't get me started that on base form he was equal with Vegeta
>>139600591
Odd that the king didn't participate instead? Yeah I guess so.
>>139600884
The stronger you are, the easier it is to transform. That's why Goten and Trunks turned SSJ so easily.
>>139600884
>>139601070
Yeah this. He was strong enough to get chosen for this tournament so I'm fine with how he did it. Given how naive Cabba is Vegeta's taunting likely was life and death in his eyes.
>>139600884
He wasn't, Vegeta just acted like they were, don't believe the potato subs, assuming you watched any non-dragonteam release
Is Cabba a kid? He's like four foot tall.
>>139601070
Nice headcanon.
>>139600224
They have a planet full of saiyan women to fuck. Of course they aren't mad. Goku and Vegeta had to settle for earthlings.
>>139600224
>"The key to becoming a Super Saiyan is anger"
>He says in front of his son who became a Super Saiyan because lol reasons
The irony is that the most logical reason for Trunks and Goten to become Super Saiyans at such a young age is because they would become irrelevant to the story otherwise, yet they're still irrelevant to the story.
>>139600224
Did you watch the show? They're all manlets, if they want sweet Saiyan pussy they have to be good guys, the "bad" saiyans were ashamed of these betas and went to other planets.
>>139602590
Another explanation for it is that it works different for half bloods.
>>139600884
The anons who said Vegeta and Goku are using god ki in their base forms are truly retard.
Cabba is only equal to bass form Vegeta because Vegeta is surpassing his god ki, or are you telling me Cabba has god ki? Frost was stronger than Cabba AND Piccolo was able to fight Frost.
>>139603940
Gohan is the biggest counterargument.
You can solve that by saying that it only works different for halfbloods conceived after the father went super saiyan but not only is that bullshit, it also creates the problem of Trunks' birth (it presumes Vegeta trained hard to become a Super Saiyan, quickly went home for a fast fuck, waited 9 months and then fought the androids).
tl;dr: Toriyama is a hack, his fans are more concerned with filling the plot holes in his story than he is.
>>139602590
No, they're half saiyan, and has genetic ability to tap in their primal emotions without going full banana (like Goku or Vegeta).
Gohan become a super saiyan basically by having goku pep-talked at him
>>139600224
Someone on U6 Salad must have realized that the means of making sure the Saiyans didn't slaughter each other was making sure they weren't pissed off all the time and controlled their instincts.
Which means Vegeta may have just doomed the U6 Saiyans.
>>139604587
>Waited 9 months
He probably went home for a fast fuck after getting SSJ and then left to train again. It would be the most vegeta way to do things.
>>139601607
>>139602590
>>139603940
Half Saiyans work differently than full Saiyans. Their potential increases accourding to how strong the Saiyan parents is. That why Gohan was born with a PL of 1370 but needed training from hell to become SSJ, Goten and Trunks were born after their dads became SSJ, so they were born with a high PL and the ability to turn SSJ since a young age.
>>139604675
>Gohan become a super saiyan basically by having goku pep-talked at him
Wrong. Gohan wenst SSJ after calling Goku on on being too soft on him, which then made Goku go SSj and shoot a kamehameha at him. Only way for Gohan to survive was to transform.
That's a marked bit different than Vegeta just threatening to blow up your planet
>>139600884
It was already a joke as soon as Goten and Trunks went ssj.
Vegeta even remarks how stupid it is that children can go ssj now
Powerlevel nerds need to accept that Super is returning to its gag series roots and the creators don't fucking care about power level numbers or equations.
>>139606562
Their autism will never accept it.
>>139600884
>implying Goten and Trunks didn't already make SSJ a joke a long time ago
>>139606562
>is returning to its gag series roots
Which nobody would mind if they were actually funny. Instead their "gags" are disloyal flanderizations of the characters. Chi Chi and Bulma are bigger cunts than usual and Goku is reduced to a drooling moron who can't even count.
Can we just admit that DBS sucks ass?
Full of plot holes.
Shitty ass animation.
Only redeeming quality is the shenanigans that Beerus brings. And that the artists spend more time making Bulma's milfness then previously.
>no-one is impressed at how cabba's base form is as strong as a guy who is now probably strong enough to beat a namek saga super saiyan with his pinky in his base form
Cabba is ridiculously at his base form considering he hasn't gone through the trials and tribulations Goku and Vegeta did (proven by the fact that he's never been pushed to the point where he needed to transform).
That fact that he's so strong is probably why he was able to transform more easily.
Honestly he's my favourite new character in DBS so far.
>>139607554
The last episode few episodes with vegeta has been pretty damn good though.
>>139602590
>>139602787
I always thought Goten and Trunks could go ssj so easily, because Goku and Vegeta were already ssj when they were conceived.
>>139608579
Vegeta handicapping himself in those fights makes him look pretty stupid.
>>139606562
>returning to its gag series roots
But it's not even funny. It's shit.
>>139600911
well... the fighters had the option to fight. The king could of found his worldly duties too important to be absent. i mean, they had to bribe Hit and Frost.
>>139600224
OP, this is a kids show. Don't be a complete retard.
When Vegeta and Cabbe introduced themselves, Vegeta told him that in U7 sayajin were conquering planets and were evil. Remember how Cabbe were shocked when he knew that Frost was evil?
Well imagine how he felt when Vegeta got angry as fuck when Cabbe asked him to teach him how to go SSJ, and then proceed to fuck his shit up.
Not to mention that when he was on the verge of passing out, Vegeta tell him that he'll kill him, his family and destroy his planet.
>>139608516
Yeah, except he's not. He's at the level Goku and Vegeta were right after acquiring SSJ. You didn't seriously take spic subs as facts? Vegeta faked the entire fight, including when they were in base form. If they were anywhere near equal in any shape or form he wouldn't facetank Cabba's hardest punch without even flinching
>>139608683
He didn't want to reveal super saiyan blue too early, same with Goku. They were both trying to keep their tricks hidden before fighting hit. Goku said as such in the episode before last.
Also I'd imagine he wanted a bit of a challenge in his fights.
>>139609619
I interpreted that as Cabba burning out because it was his first time using the form, just like Frieza did with his gold form. I thought they were genuinely at the same level when in base form, Vegeta had no reason to lie at that point, he thought Cabba was a super saiyan like him.
Once he transformed Vegeta didn't have to worry much because he'd perfected ssj years ago, but Cabba was still at that point where the stage puts a strain on your body.
>>139606562
This isn't "gag". It's a fucking farce.
>>139600224
>Planet full of happy kind people who literally go around helping children and not having to fight anyone super strong
Yeah, sounds about right.
>>139600591
He doesn't literally mean their king is as strong as Vegeta in terms of physical strength.
where the fuck is the porn of cabba
>>139602590
They're half Saiyans who were conceived after their fathers had both transformed.
Future Trunks didn't transform till he was an adult, and in his timeline Vegeta didn't train before the androids, so he wouldn't have been a Super Saiyan when Trunks was conceived. It's all consistent, and you're an idiot.
>>139610054
m8 it was 10 seconds, even I can go longer than that. He didn't run out of steam he's simply weaker than Vegeta
>>139604886
Goku also told him to imagine Cell killing everyone he loved.
>>139610612
Holy shit you're a super saiyan?
>>139602590
Goten and Trunks have it easier to go SSJ because they both were conceived after Goku and Vegeta learned how to turn SSJ and when they reach finish line they, well, you get the idea.
>>139610674
That was filler though
So, why Bardock did not go Super Saiyan after Freeza slaughtered his friends and blew up his planet in front of him?
>>139611108
He did, though. See: Episode of Bardock.
>>139611108
Power Level Requirement+Anger = Super Saiyan
>>139611108
his base form was too weak
>>139611056
No it wasn't. Check the chapter.
>>139611108
Minimum power level requirement for anyone who isn't a child of a Super Saiyan.
>>139600884
This post is the reason why Goten and Trunks aren't relevant
because they are shit and nobody gives a fuck about them
>>139600884
ESL pls go.
>>139611333
Not canon. The manga was written by Naho Ooishi to promote DB Heroes
>>139611392
>Goku could have defeated Buu
>Said Earth should be able to defend itself
>Hypes up Fusion
>Trunten was supposed to be Earth's new champion
>He's insufferable and obnoxious prick
>And useless
I guess that was the joke. At least throughout like 1/3 of Buu Saga Piccolo was only useful character.
>>139611582
Time Breaker Bardock is in DB Online, which was written by Toriyama. Close enough.
>>139609619
They weren't at the same level in base form but that didn't mean shit. Goku and Veggie trained with fucking Whis, the strongest in the Universe (bar Monaka perhaps).
>>139609619
Dismantling the energy barrage by waving his hand and that facetank were rad tbqh
>>139611392
Trunks is good Goten is just a Goku clone atleast Gohan is different
>>139611392
Except that's wrong, Japan loves them.
>>139611608
Gotenks was the comic relief of Buu saga, otherwise it had been too serious. Also they were kids and as a regular Saiyan they became cocky as hell when they achieved Gotenks' power.
Goku is worse now, at least watching how Frieza's tortured Gohan and Vegeta's comment should help them realize they should be more seroius in a battle.
>>139611837
Yes they fucking were.
>>139611744
And the only thing Whis taught them was how to use their ki better, after that they discovered Super Cyan in the battle with Frieza.
>>139600224
The best thing about Super so far is how they handle Vegeta's character
He finally feels like he is in the right place, and he's not just "MUH KAKAROTTO"
>>139611837
Yeah it was an enjoyable episode, I went from really dissapointed to pleasantly surprised when Vegeta revelealed it was all a ruse. Not even a Vegetafag but if he'd actually gotten pushed around by someone who learned how to go SSJ 10 seconds ago it'd seriously shit all over the struggles him and Goku went through to get where they're now
>>139612138
He was only like that during the android saga
>>139611636
Time Breaker Bardock and Episode of Bardock aren't mutually exclusive
>>139604587
>Not fucking Bulma after the rush of becoming a SSJ
Even Vegeta knows.
>>139612227
Exactly. So though the Episode of Bardock writer was humble, Toriyama made it canon anyway.
>>139612138
Too bad he is going to return ro 'I will surpass Kakarotto next time' in EoZ.
Also can Toriyama let Goten and Trunks keep all the hype they have in Super for fights?
>>139612215
>android saga
And Boo saga? Hello? Majin Vegeta tantrum bulshittery?
>>139611979
>That proud face
Not even Trunks managed to make Vegeta that level of proud...my gosh.
I am just waiting for them to release the track that played during the ssj portion of the fight, perfect.
>>139612293
Toriyama's Bardock is pretty dang bland. He was such a charismatic douche in the movie.
>>139611979
nice
>>139612293
When did Toriyama make Episode of Bardock canon?
The only canon Bardock is in: Freeza saga flashback, the Jaco manga, and .
>>139612639
Time Breaker Bardock in DBO, which was written by Toriyama himself. Pay attention.
>>139612639
And DBO
>>139612103
It's like you never watched the series.
>>139612671
I meant to add "and DBO".
How does DBO canonize Episode of Bardock? It doesn't.
>>139612455
He sees himself in Cabba, it's completely different.
>>139606426
>>139611392
Well atleast Goten and Trunks had the excuse that half-breeds have more potential than pure-breeds (just lack the passion for fighting).
But with Cabba, he's pure Saiyan. Makes no sense.
>>139610606
>Future Trunks didn't transform till he was an adult,
Not true. Though that may have been the case in the TV special, in the manga Future Trunks was already a SSJ from the start.
>>139612780
He was also a much worse person back when Future Trunks was around than now, the current Vegeta would be fairly nice to him I reckon
>>139600591
He was most likely referring to strength of character, as in a person who does not give up in the face of adversity, like Cabba was doing. Cabba's demeanor was far too meek to achieve super saiyan.
This would make a lot more sense, given the context.
>>139601450
>I don't know that Saiyans grow in growth spurts
Read the manga.
>>139611108
Even if he did, Frieza would still whip his ass
>>139612639
>When did Toriyama make Episode of Bardock canon?
I don't think there's any direct evidence that "Toriyama" made Episode of Bardock canon - However, Shuiesha, the publishers of the manga and partial rights holder of the franchise, do classify it as manga-level continuity in the official timeline shown in the 30th anniversary site.
>>139601368
This
>>139612863
>But with Cabba, he's pure Saiyan. Makes no sense.
Cabba has a very strong base - likely much higher than Goku's and Vegeta's when they became SSJs.
>>139604886
Gohan and Cabba are different people who view things differently from their own subjective points of view - meaning it is ludicrous to assume they are affected the same way by the same stimuli or that they even have the same limit to breach for their emotions to break super saiyan territory. More over, Goku was Gohan's parent, whom he had known for all his life. Vegeta was a complete stranger for Cabba, and Vegeta had a rather ruthless show of strength in his fights so far, not the least being his vindictive attitude towards Frost (even though he does spare his life in the end). Who do you think you would trust more; your father or a person you have known for less than a day? He had no guarantee Vegeta wouldn't kill him off so the threats were not exactly empty from Cabba's perspective.
>>139613974
Goku was tall by the time he was 21.
Grandma Goku is a whole different character than the one that the dubs portrayals.
>yfw goku is more carefree than retarded
>>139611108
Because he was lower class scum
>>139614414
The anime makes Goku out to be a retarded sociopath. Like when he went to go get the senzu during the Buu Saga.
>In the manga Karin says that he feels like something bad is going to happen, and Goku says he feels it too
>In the anime Goku stops to eat a meal with Yajirobe while Videl is suffering
Vegeta is going to get absolutely jobbed, Goku too, and the next arc will be chasing hit around the universe
>>139604485
>bass form Vegeta
>>139615033
>People still think Monaka isnt strong
>>139604886
That is filler.
>>139610674
This is canon, and Gohan told Goku he never saw Cell so it would be hard to imagine, then Goku told him to use Freeza instead, and bam, Gohan did went SSJ (but could not sustain it by long).
So Gohan went SSJ just as easy as Trunks/Goten, the only difference is he started out with a tail and way weaker, so he had to up his BP to potential super saiyan level.
Who /ready to see Vegeta get wrecked/?
>>139615214
>So Gohan went SSJ just as easy as Trunks/Goten
They didn't achieve it through rage, they were literally fucking around and transformed. They had an advantage because of their dad's having already been transformed when they were conceived.
>>139615218
He had a nice ride.
why would they? They didnt live the struggles that the universe 7 saiyans did. No frieza, no war that made planet salad inhabitable etc...
There was no reason really.
>>139600224
>le brand new super saiyan
>more powerful than someone that's got proper control of the form
Toriyama proving time and time again he's senile and just winging it.
>>139615342
>Didn't even watch this show
>Shitposting
>>139615218
I just want to see him get fucking jobbed like he's been jobbing the last three contestants
>>139615342
Vegeta was playing with him, Cabbe even surrendered because Vegeta was being too rough on him
>>139615342
Except he's a weak twink, Vegeta was playing him from the get-go. Everyone takes some spanish shitsubs as facts it seems, Cabba is not equal to Vegeta in base, SSJ or any form for that matter
>>139615214
That's not right either. Gohan didn't go Super Saiyan when he imagined Freeza killing everyone. It probably flashed gold in the anime, but not in the manga.
>>139615630
I thought Gohan had never seen Cell? How can he imagine him
>>139615320
They're kids, they rage out over stupid shit anytime, and they probably did, that plus being prodigies => easy SSJ, I admit they had it easier than Gohan, but still Gohan went SSJ easy enough, just imagine Freeza kills Goku and Piccolo, done.
I bet Pan goes SSJ when Videl doesn't give her milk fast enough.
>>139615630
Gohan finally goes Super Saiyan here, like 50 pages later. Since they're in the Room of Spirit and Time, this is probably several weeks later.
>>139615616
>Everyone takes some spanish shitsubs as facts it seems
Is that where a lot of this retardation comes from? I know moon and watch raws, and I feel like half of the "understanding" of the series is just fucking retarded. God damn I hate Spanish speaking DB fans with their brand of retarded powerlevel fanwank. The rules they invent and take as canon are ridiculous.
>>139615678
>They're kids, they rage out over stupid shit anytime, and they probably did,
No, they were literally fucking around. They did not have the rage inside of them at all. They never had to learn to control it and get over the tense feeling the others did. For them it was always a game.
>>139615671
Neither did Goku.
>>139615630
Oh yeah you're right, still he almost got it by just imaging shit, that's way easier than having your best friend killed in front of you.
If you think about it Goku first time was the hardest, even Vegeta got it by just being butthurt about not getting SSJ.
I wonder how Future Gohan got it.
>>139615794
Goku became a talented psychic by doing a gorrillian pushups. He can see everything.
>>139602590
They had absent dad's and over bearing mothers
That's some angst right there
>>139615728
And even then he couldn't maintain it. So Gohan had a hard time going Super Saiyan. Probably not as hard as Goku or Vegeta, but you shouldn't understate the power of months of personal training from Goku.
>>139615794
How is that relevant?
Bulma is slutty.
>>139615794
Goku did see Cell.
>>139615320
How the hell did Vegeta never notice that Trunks could turn into a Super Saiyan before then?
>>139615955
>Implying Vegeta spent time with Trunks
Ha!
>>139615955
Too busy banging Bulma.
Is Hit depressed? He seems really apathetic and shit for a guy at a tournament of universes.
>You will witness Vegeta getting put back in to the bitch lane AT LEAST once more in your life
DBS has brought do much joy.
>>139614856
Who's Karin? Is this another Japanese name for Krillian?
Is it me or Vegeta is teaching Cabba more than his own son?Vegeta sure got much of my respect in Super, unlike that fight addict of a grandpa Goku.Cabba can beat Gohan any day in a week.
Goku lost something during Z. I don't know what exactly, but after the fight against Freeza, I stopped liking him
>>139615671
Gohan saw his shell from when he shed I suppose
>>139616250
Well, he's only there for the cube. It's likely he's never been truly challenged before.
>>139616584
Character development is bad, guys.
>>139616470
It's the Japanese name for Whiskers the Wondercat.
>>139616659
The cube? We Transformers now?
>>139616584
Everyone lost something as the series went on.
GT was the point where even the fanboys noticed and got anally devastated at something they should have noticed a long time ago.
>>139615933
>Goku being so happy at his son's childhood traumas transforming him into a fighting beast
Worst father ever.
>>139604587
It's more of a mental thing. Pure-blood saiyan turns into giant monkeys and thus, more akin to animals than humans. If assuming anger is the key, then I would presume pure-blood saiyan has an easier time getting angry but with a smaller threshold since they get angry at smallest slights while half-blooded saiyan lacks the near-primal anger but since it's harder to get them angry, they can bottle it up and have a larger threshold. Gohan is an exception among exception since he's a technical pacifist and aspires to become a scholar instead of a fighter. He has enormous potential since he can keep his anger in check but since he rarely gets angry enough to make full use of said anger, it takes a bypass of mystic form for him to go maximum power, which doesn't rely on his anger.
>>139616725
I bet the writter knows English, or else he wouldn't have been able do those vegetable puns with everything surrounding Vegeta.
>>139611957
Gohan is yamcha 2.0
>>139616584
The real Goku died on Yardrat after the ginyu pod crash landed.
This Goku is a clone with weird genetic mutations like that heart virus.
>>139616494
Because Vegeta sees that Cabba has potential and Trunks is still young.
>>139616494
It's probably a Saiyan royal pederasty thing
>>139616494
Because he can babysit trunks.
And Cabba will leave and go back to his planet.
Also there is this feeling from everyone that Trunks is destined to be great already, because of Future Trunks. They act like they are sure Trunks will be awesome.
>>139616872
Every character Bulma related has underwear names.
>>139617412
What's the pun of Bulma herself?
>>139617483
Bloomers.
>>139617483
Not him but
bloomers
>>139617504
>>139617534
I don't see the connection. Those words are nothing alike.
>>139617314
Trunks GT was awesome too
>>139617663
Japs pronounce those words similar.
>>139617663
Try saying them both in moon.
>>139609870
Stay in one thread
>>139617664
>GT Trunks is awesome
He was a nerdy Gohan who lacked training. I hope he is like FT when he grows up.
>>139617790
>Bulma = Burma
>Bloomers = Broomels
???
>>139617412
Bulma is actually ブルマ (Bu ru ma) which is a pun on Bloomers
>>139617905
ブルマ
Learn nip.
>>139617970
The greatest countries in the world speak English.
The bible was written in English.
God speaks English.
So everyone should show a little respect, and SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH.
>>139618080
And you're telling this to me why exactly? I speak both.
>>139618141
It's just a joke from gta that I felt was appropriate. I'm sorry. I don't think I'll ever understand how Bulma = bloomers.
>>139618080
Bulma is English, it's just really bad English.
>>139617799
Shut up faggot, everything doesn't need a general
>>139618080
The earliest parts of the Bible were written before the language you know as English was even used
Fuck you
>>139618080
America is a Spanish speaking country wey ;^)
>>139618247
Oh, I don't actually play GTA. And to help explain it, they're spelled exactly the same. Japanese only has one letter that exists without a vowel sound, and there's no difference between their L and R sounds, so Bulma becomes Bur(u)ma which is how bloomers (b(u)ruma-) is pronounced.
>>139618299
Shut up retard, we don't need mutiple threads of the same series shitting up the catalog
>>139618375
>America
>One of the world's greatest countries
Popkek. You give your adopted country too much credit, Pablo.
>>139618408
General threads are cancer, besides this thread is the oldest, faggot.
>>139618329
No wonder its slowly losing relevance.
>>139618649
I can't wait for the day where everyone realises that religion is wrong and science is right.
![Gohan-Videl-gohan-and-videl-30996834-500-281[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/7VIQgDZ.png "Gohan-Videl-gohan-and-videl-30996834-500-281[1]")
Where did the Buu saga go so wrong /a/?
>>139617799
>>139618408
This thread is over 4 hours older than that one, so go bitch to them.
>>139618908
Never, other than the parts where Toriyama half assed the art
>>139618966
He's probably the OP of that thread.
>>139618908
Gohan not taking the mantle.
How would /a/ react to DBZ airing in the 90s?
Seriously that Cabba kid was shit. Goten, Trunks and even fucking Gohan could have compete with these universe 6 characters.
>>139618908
People wanted dark and serious instead of light and fun
>>139619188
Then the animefags would be treated like the secondary scum that they are.
>>139619253
At that point Gohan SSJ is way weaker than Base Goku/Vegetable, he couldnt have a chance on ther tournament.
>>139619326
Doubt it.
>>139619253
Goten and Trunks are useless, while Gohan wouldn't win a single match.
Face it no one besides Goku, Vegeta, Majin Buu and Piccolo are even deemed worthy to represent universe 7.
>>139619148
this.
even toriyama said he enjoyed writing the gohan goes to highschool arc. Should have kept it going
>>139618908
I couldn't tell you
What's up with the appreciation of Champa that some people have? Why do some people like the fact that he's a chubby cat and want to see porn of him?
I can get why guys like chubby girls with the whole THICK meme. Does it work both ways? Can you be a fatass and pull chicks with your lard?
>>139619395
gohan is still stronger than piccolo
Who named their own daughter Bra? Just imagine the humiliation she would go through during her school days.
>>139618080
>The bible was written in English.
My gosh...
>>139619319
Some of buu saga was dark and serious. Super now is totally light and fun.
>>139600224
>Annoyed that this kid is the only super saiyan on his planet.
>Planet Vegeta only had ONE super saiyan in the history of it's existence and he only went super saiyan after he "died' and went to the past, enabling the legend.
That being said, anyone who takes Dragonball seriously after Toriyama is shown to not give a shit and can't keep consistent is pretty dumb.
>>139619395
Gohan's stronger than Piccolo and has been training. I agree he'd probably go out like Piccolo did anyway, but don't sell him that short all for a meme.
>>139619337
Gohan would have decimated Cabba purely because he can go SS. If Gohan put in the training to reacquire Mystic form, he'd be able to take Frost as well.
>>139615671
Cell turned out to be as exactly as he imagined him.
A lucky coincidence.
>>139619505
>Implying Egyptians wrote the bible.
>>139619459
>>139619528
No he isn't. Gohan hasn't trained and his power has regressed so badly that he is now a super saiyan. Guy is weaker than Piccolo currently.
>>139619395
>Face it no one besides Goku, Vegeta, Majin Buu and Piccolo are even deemed worthy to represent universe 7.
So basically only Goku and Vegeta remains relevant
>>139618247
>I don't think I'll ever understand how Bulma = bloomers.
Because in the way Japanese people pronounce english them both sound exactly the same:
Bulma: Bu-ru-ma
Bloomers: Bu-ru-mars
>>139619585
Did you not watch the golden frieza arc? Piccolo fucking died and Gohan was obviously stronger.
>>139619556
>implying he didn't imagine Frieza
>>139619409
Toriyama said that the more he drew of the highschool arc the more he realized Gohan didn't want to be a fighter.
>>139618908
As soon as Supreme faggot showed up.
Suppose it was Cell that got revived and he trained for 4 months. How powerful would he get? I think he actually wouldn't be that much stronger than Frieza, considering how your base form is the base of everything and get multiplied by training.
Frieza was literally born with a powerlevel of 30 million, while Goku was 10. No shit Frieza would make massive gains from a few months of training. Cell was made with barely enough energy to kill a Z-fighter, so his scaling is less broken than Frieza's.
>>139619755
Probably stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta. Then they power Gohan up yet again. Gotta hit the same plot beats as the original series anon.
>>139619839
>Same plot beat
>tfw you've been telling people this for a while yet people still think Super is completely original
How was Goku able to Instant Transmission to King Kai's planet before becoming a SSJG if non Deity's cant sense God Ki ?
>>139619898
Those people are delusional. Especially if they think that about RoF.
>>139619755
The Son of Katas was as strong as Freeza without training, but Piccolo didn't turn into a god in four months.
>>139619755
What if Cell was a little more savy and trained for, say, two years?
What if, after that, he decided to shit out five Cell jrs and did the Saiyan God ritual?
What if, on top of that and for good measure, he exploded a few times and regenerated after?
that was a pretty solid epiosde but i realized by biggest qualm with this compared to DBZ/DB
and I guess mostly compared with Z because the editing of the fights are worse for me in Super and that is one of the biggest differences in quality. if you compare this fight with gohans fight with super buu or maybe goku vs frieza the actual fights are way more fluid and the punches have way more impact in Z than in super. Also the way the fights are framed its less like one vs one as it is two fighters fighting each other. in a way super feels almost turn based with how stiff the fights look.
>>139614450
so is goku
>>139619647
....are you autistic. How does Piccolo dying further your claim Gohan is stronger?
I wonder what the end game of the tournament arc is going to be.
They seem to set it up that U7 loses, Earth gets switched to U6 (new enemies, new allies, etc.) while Hit cruises around the multiverse to kill shit everywhere.
>Cabba has Vegeta's signature stance and attack
What is the odds that he is actually the Table of U6, and U6 Vegeta is back at Sadal alive and kicking?
>>139620008
Kaio aren't gods, Kaioshin are.
>>139620067
its shown both in the movie and in the show that gohan is the strongest of the not goku and vegeta characters.
>>139620009
I remember arguing about it in a previous thread. The replies implied they hadn't read the manga, watched the anime, any movie aside from BoG & RoF & not GT either but instead skimmed wikia articles and quoted minute, tiny details. It was odd.
>>139620067
Gohan fought the same guy and didn't die?
>>139620083
Did Toriyama forget about Tarble? Why don't we see him and his wife in DBS?
>>139620056
Goku is Goku, the rules don't apply to him.
>>139620081
Hit's an assassin. Why would he just go randomly killing people? He'd be out of a job if he did that. Instead he'd probably just go around making contracts across the multiverse in order to make bank.
>>139620242
Toriyama didn't make Tarble
>>139619647
>>139620149
I am more annoyed that Gohan didn't go batshit insane when his surrogate father died, again.
>>139620144
You are talking out of your ass this point and it is embarrassing.
>>139620149
......autism to the next level.
>>139617905
>Broomels
>>139620315
Piccolo is not Gohan's surrogate father, he is his dad's cool friend. Gohan wore Piccolo's clothes to the Cell Games because he didn't feel worthy to wear Goku's.
>>139620315
Gohan's testosterone has been completely drained away by Videl the Gains Goblin. Videl is the real reason Gohan became a bitch.
>>139620341
>I have no argument so I'll just call the other guy autistic
Fuck off.
>>139618080
9/11 made me reply
>>139608805
so the king of a planet turned down the literal gods of universes because he had some more important shit to do? That is some pretty retarded shit.
>>139608805
Champa surely would have killed anyone who refused to fight. He has six Dragon Balls and the best food in the multiverse on the line.
>>139620458
Yep a fully autistic anon can't handle someone not taking him seriously. Glad we settled that and you can stop pretending you know wtf you are talking about you idiotic dipshit.
Read the exchange we had several times before your damaged brain comprehends how stupid you come off.
>>139612138
No. He doesnt act true to his character anymore.
he wonders why goku gets excited about a good fight...
DBS is fucking up the characters and i cen tell toriyama isnt writing this
>>139620301
But he wrote the draft for Yo! Son Goku and his Friends Return special which includes Tarble. I think he was mentioned in RoF too.
>>139620599
Look at all those words written by an anon who is taking a disagreement about arabic abacuses very seriously.
>>139620507
>Wanting to protect his planet instead of going to some stupid tournament that has nothing to do with him is retarded.
>>139620341
pplease show me how gohan beats a guy piccolo was having trouble fighting with in one shot proves that piccolo is stronger than gohan?
>>139620686
Yo! Son Goku and his Friend Return was written by Koyama, just like all the movies.
>>139620451
>actually doing the proper work in training him
>actually care for his welfare more than his fight-addict of a dad
Piccolo seems himself in Gohan, but he still makes a proper dad than Goku.
>>139620788
>Protecting his planet by not complying with a Hakaishin's request
>>139620752
So now you gone fully autistic. Good to know. I won't entertain the mentally handicapped any further.
>>139620830
Goku spent 10 months straight doing literally nothing but training with Gohan. That's more than Piccolo ever did.
>>139620880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tNW-OuI9g4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg54lFiMQPE
>>139621037
wait since when could gohan go super saiyan
>>139620860
Champa didn't even go.
>>139621089
Since Toei
>>139620930
Piccolo tanked an attack meant for gohan which killed him.
>>139620458
>Gohan impregnated Videl in BoG
>could still go Mystic
>6 months later
>fuccboi
>>139621037
>Gohan's hair transforms back to his Buu Saga hair when he goes Super Saiyan
They just didn't care, did they?
>>139621037
You proved my point 10 folds, nice job.
>>139621153
Goku gave his life to save Gohan twice.
>>139621153
So did Goku.
Even though Goku and Vegeta are absurdly strongl outliers in power for the Saiyan race as a whole, it's not as if there's a "rule" that no other purebred Saiyan can ever be born with more potential than them
After all, we're talking about multiple universes. It makes sense that there could be yet another genetic anomaly of a Saiyan even more ridiculously strong than they are
>>139616837
i prefer gt at this point, ss4 looks better that ssgod
>>139621339
Goku isn't strong because of genetics, he's strong because he's Goku.
>>139621339
>It makes sense that there could be yet another genetic anomaly of a Saiyan even more ridiculously strong than they are
Broly
>>139621153
retard
>>139621222
That would have killed everyone, though.
>>139621422
>Goku isn't strong because of genetics
Sure I bet he would've been this strong if he was human.
>>139600884
Goten should have went SSJ when Super Buu killed Chi Chi, and Trunks when Vegeta sacrificed himself desu
>>139621566
He sure would have been. Being a Saiyan probably helped, but Goku would be number 1 no matter what species he was.
>>139621566
No he means because Goku is a fighting freak, he is a low class after all but his hunger for training is what keeps him there.
>>139621339
>Hit is a Saiyan from another universe and he wants the cube to go back
>turns out his universe was destroyed by a god of destruction and he vows to kill all the gods of destruction
>>139621424
>broly
are movie universes alternate universes aswell?
>>139621566
Goku fights & trains smart too. Unlike Vegeta who would more or less brute force his way with some pragmatic actions mixed in, Goku would be measuring his enemy and discovering weak points.
>>139621663
>>139621686
Ehhhhh
Their personalities ensure that they always train with 150% of what they have, but there's still the fact that they're Saiyans
Biggest factor of all?
Zenkai boosts
>>139619319
I'd say early Cell saga is way darker than anything in Buu's. The humans Cell fed on got some truly horrible deaths, I know they were revived later on but it's still had to be awful to have a giant monstrous insect impale you with the longest, widest stinger imaginable then suck your insides out while you're still conscious. I'd take instant death to pink thing from above over that any day of the week
>>139621869
That's because Goku is trained by people stronger or more experienced than he while adopting their techniques. Vegeta basically shadowboxed for 2 decades. I'm surprised he even kept up as much as he did.
>>139620008
Bubbles.
>>139616494
trunks is a genius
>>139621849
No idea. Some treat it like alternate universe like how marvel and dc comics do with their different universes.
all these people coming up with theories when the only actual explanation is that Toriyama isn't that great a writer and he got bored of Dragon Ball sometime around Frieza arc.
>>139622342
Even Kishimoto used his characters better.
>>139622032
The idea behind that is that Vegeta had more potential, but wasn't training as best as he could. If he trained like Goku, he could surpass him. Right now I'd say they're equal, since they're both training together.
>>139622342
there is no theories, the episode already explains cabba
>>139622393
2/10 made me reply
But nice try
>>139620081
>u6 wins
>earth switches
>kick ass adventures with planet salad
>beerus mad, becomes antagonist
> champa immature, but cool dude
> champa killed by beerus, search for new god arc
Make it happen
>>139611108
Because he was in that same explosion that killed everyone.
>>139600884
>Gohan
He trained with Goku in RoSaT for a year, didn't have to undergo anything ridiculous
>>139600884
>Gohan, Trunks, and Goten had to go through hell to achieve this feat
Nice meme
Honestly this only proves DB threads are fueled by nostalgia at this point, and they won't look objectively back at the original work anymore. Gohan became SSJ offscreen in the time-chamber just because Goku told him to get mad once, Goten and Trunks could just do that shit naturally to the point that the plot didn't even care to show how they learned to do it.
What you say as a flaw is something that was in the original work just the same, and Cabba wasn't equal to Vegeta.
>>139623430
Fuck off back to crunchyroll
>>139623303
Sounds too interesting for super
>>139623303
U6 would be kind of boring if the team Champa brought is the best of the best.
>>139618080
I think you will notice god speaks Japanese.
>>139623497
Best? No, but interesting. Look at hit for example
>>139623634
nope God is serb, He speaks serbian
>>139623777
Yeah, you would definitely find that interesting.
>>139621889
if humans would've had Zenkai Krillin would've been the strongest motherfucker in the universe
>>139623921
Him or Yamcha.
>>139623902
Dont you?
>>139616584
>I lost two things at Namek.
>>139623809
I sure heard a lot of ching chongs and very litle straggsfasddghrgefg.
...who the fuck is this new vegita baby? I dont watch this bootleg bullshit. If they needed a new saiyan why didn't they just wish Raditz or Nappa back from Hell?
>>139625152
Mix bleach with Windex and then use it as perfume. It smells great!
>>139625152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQu1rWvBUrkVegeta would just kill Nappa off to cover his dark history
>>139625152
Because Raditz and Nappa don't exist in that universe. Also like Raditz and Nappa are gonna be able to do fucking anything, they're as weak as Gohan.
>>139625574
why did they bring back freezer than?
>>139622017
This
>>139616494
Trunks is not Saiyan. Cabbe is. Vegeta would never beat the shit out of trunks like he did Cabbe.
>>139621107
The Gods Servant tells you to go to a big ass tourny. Do you really want to tell her to tell Chimpa"no"? You don't just fucking tell the Godof Destruction no. not unless you really want to die and take your planet with you.
>>139627349
Stop anon, you are making me imagine Trunks going "Even my dad hasn't hit me!"He did though, but then promised to get him to a fair
>>139600224
To be fair, no one on Planet Vegeta did decades after their genocide 'til Goku proved the legend.
>>139626073
Money
>>139627592And he did
>>139616494
Vegeta saw himself in Cabba, also Cabba is a pure blood not like his half breed son.
>>139623480
How did cell tank that again?
>>139631512
Frieza cells make him immune to injury and Piccolo cells give him regeneration.
>>139631656
so he just regened there in front of them?
I also though the head had to be intact to regen according to piccolo?
>>139631806
thought*
>>139631806
Nigga remember how he blow himself up and regenerated his entire body from one cell?
>>139631806
He's apparently got a nucleus in every Cell.
That's why he was able to regenerate after blowing himself up.
>>139631898
>>139631896
True. thanks boys.
>>139600224
>Are you telling me NO ONE in Planet Salad got mad enough to turn SS?
Well, nobody did in planet Vegeta, and nodoby did in their original planet for centuries.
>>139631806
Yeah.
Piccolo can't survive having his head destroyed, but Cell apparently can. I think he inherited Frieza's ability to survive really serious injuries.
>>139600224
They are all noble people. Also probably are chill people who smoke weed daily.
>>139600224
Pretty sure they said the reason he was able to do it because he had talent.
That, and it has to be a mix of "you are going to die" and "shit will get worse" to actually transform.
At least he didn't make it a fucking joke like bargain been ssj saiyans Trunks and Goten.
In fact, I was ready for Toriyama have Vegeta yell out to Goten and Trunks to transform and just demoralize the fuck outta Cabbe
>>139632066
>Piccolo cells regenerates
>Saiyans cells brings him back from taking heavy damage
>Frieza cells Can breath in the vacuum of space
>Talented fighter to copy teleporting
That actually convinced me the asspull was legit when he just came back out of nowhere at the very end like that.
>>139611108
Because Toriyama killed him with Freza and then killed Frieza with SSJ before they made his episode.
>>139619567
>Implying the jews and christians wrote the Bible.
>>139632349
Dragon Ball's plot twists are the epitome of "That's bullshit, but I believe it"
This is the series where the main character learned a dance from alien ghosts that allows two people to fuse, but I've never once seen anyone question it.
>>139632349
>>Saiyans cells brings him back from taking heavy damage
No Cell gets Saiyan zenkai boost after near deaths and extreme battles.
He get's frieza's ability to live in all environments and being really fucking hard to kill (why did you think trunks chopped him into pieces and THEN blew those pieces into ashes? That's like shooting a man before throwing him off a plane, CIA agent.)
>>139615933
They weren't throwing no jokes when this aired.
>>139632644
>future trunks
>chopping freeza to little pieces
>get curbstomped daily by the androids in his timeline
Fun fact. Dr Gero could have been the ruler of U7.
>>139618908
goku coming back
>>139632758
A lot of people could have been if they weren't idiots.
>>139632636
That's Toriyama's writing style. He doesn't plan everything out, but he works within the ridiculous confines of his own series and builds off of what he already has. I absolutely love it.
>>139632644
And consider he was STILL able to regenerate from being cut into little tiny pieces, after being revived from being blasted to ashes. He could've been revived if he was just cut to bits.
>>139632644
Dr. Gero, I'm DBZ
>>139632723
where was this from.
>>139633278
Codename: Kids Next Door
gohan a shit. cabe was what gohan should have been.
>frieza comes back
>buu stays as a character
>cell will never come back
>>139634400
If it makes you feel better Buu will never do anything ever again.
>>139634423
Yeah, but we don't even get to see Cell comic relief in Hell/Heaven
He's just been erased from existence
I just want to see Raditz again.
>>139632786
This is what confuses me when people complain about Super's writing and then try to claim Dragon Ball had anything better. A lot of it is business as usual with Toriyama, especially in the manga adaptation (which seems to be getting some more direct oversight, based on the interview with him and Toyble).
>>139632050
But was it ever stated before that anger was literally the only ingredient?
If not then it's still this episode that was at fault, because they introduce an explanation that makes you think back and go "oh shit well it must take some insane anger the likes of which has never been seen before goku and vegeta"
but on top of that they fail in their delivery of that anger from Cabba. I didn't really feel his anger. Overall it was just unconvincing.
>Main cast grows so powerful that nothing is ever a threat again and nothing interesting happens
or
>Main cast faces equal opponents
I don't really get why people complain about this.
>>139634443
>>139634423
>>139634400
I wonder if it also has to do with Wakamoto's costs as a VA, if that would make them avoid it?
>>139634715
Toriyama's writing was self consistent and actually good. I'm not sure if you watched the Ressurection of F arc, but it was neither of those things.
>>139632050
None of the Saiyans had pure hearts. Plus they were all too weak.
>>139600224
Well, it probably became a lot easier for Cabba once he even knew Super Saiyan was a thing. It took Goku forever to achieve it. Before that it was only a legend.
>>139634763
Cell and Buu actually felt overpowered enough to give the cast trouble. Meanwhile Cabba is just some guy and Magetta can't even jump. They should be Puipui tier.
>>139632066
Cell can regenerate from any one of his cells. Did you not watch the show?
>>139635153
Cell claimed that he has a core inside of his head that he can regenerate from as long as it isn't damaged. He survived having his head blown off though, so either he was lying, mistaken or left out information.
Personally, I like the idea that Cell has no clue how his powers work.
>>139635238
>How durable is he?!
>How durable am I?
>Questions for later.
>>139634527
Raditz is forever forgotten in the other world along with Grandpa Gohan
>>139634774
or it could be because they hate drawing him
>>139632066
It's a combination of frieza and piccolo's abilities.
Frieza could survive some really serious injuries, while piccolo could regenerate.
Combined, you get the ability to regenerate through any injury that doesn't 100% destroy him.
>>139635478
More like Grandpa Gohan got tricked by that bitch Baba and was sent to the HOME OF INFINITE LOSERS
>>139636293
Grandpa Gohan likes it in the afterlife. That's why he didn't want Goku to use the Dragon Balls to revive him.
>>139636293
Now that is character I haven't heard ablaut in a long time.
dis the manga canon?
Dragon Ball Minus
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Dragon Ball 1-329
Dragon Ball: Trunks the Story –A Lone Warrior–
Dragon Ball 330-517
Dragon Ball: Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return!! (Naho Ooishi)
Dragon Ball Super Jump Victory Carnival 2015 Bonus Comic (Toyotarō)
Dragon Ball Super 1-4 (Toyotarō)
Dragon Ball: Revival of “F” (Toyotarō)
Dragon Ball Super 5-10 (Toyotarō)
Dragon Ball 518-519
Neko Majin
>>139635238
It was fixed in the anime.
Though they put the mistake back into Kai, because that's what it said in the manga
>>139637402
looks about right
>>139637402
I'd take Neko Majin with a grain of salt
It's in the same territory as Dr. Slump
dbz recap 54-160
http://uptobox.com/4vvh99gpkds6
guys, is this anime shit canon or it's the manga? Dragon ball fans doesn't even know what this mean and have interview faker than everything
>>139639601
the manga
>>139639624
any source for this? the anime follow the manga? Toriyama in which one does something?
>it takes thousands of years for some saiyan to get pissed off
>>139639601
Both.
>>139639718
Toriyama wrote an outline that is followed by the manga and anime.
We also know that he oversees the storyboard of each chapter of the manga, but we don't have any further information about this involvement with the anime aside from the initial outline.
>>139634856
Vegeta doesn't have a pure heart either.
>>139614285
and a midget when he was 15
>The "legendary" saiyan, said to appear once every 10.000 years and possess unmatched power
>Weaker than a regular super saiyan 2
JUST
>>139639718
Forthcoming interview on V-Jump website, translated by Herms from Kanzenshuu:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfLZHd7UYAEXUXR.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfLZHeAVAAAtfAE.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfLZHd_UsAAFXo2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfLZHfJUsAIc-FY.jpg
>>139600224
>Trunks and Goten randomly go SSJ over some toys or some crap
>This faggot is as strong as VEGETA in base but somehow can't pull off SSJ on his own
What the actual fuck. Champas picks seem pretty random at the moment because right now it looks like even fucking Piccolo could've beaten 2 or 3 of his participants. And that when I thought the green man was way out of his league but the powerlevels of universe 6 are just horrendous
>>139639879
He sure as hell has now. And that "pure heart" thing was never actually confirmed to be needed was it? I remember it to be more of an assumption from some character in the manga, probably Krillin or some other faggot
>>139640108
It's almost as if it isn't well thought out and is just some dumb shit that someone makes up to keep children entertained
>>139623402
He kinda did. During their training, Gohan has a moment where he realizes how helpless he always is when the shit hits the fan. His friends always die or get hurt. Goku only REALLY dealt with Krillin dying when he first went SSJ. Gohan had the experience of multiple occasions of suffering, which he's able to recount and push himself into SSJ with that sensation.
>>139639819
>>139639849
>>139640018
Thanks guys
>>139623430
>Gohan became SSJ offscreen in the time-chamber
You sure about that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je8Un5a6GcM
>>139640232
It's pretty silly how he got so mad about krillin when goku had literally come back from the dead himself before
>>139600884
Fuck you. Cabba is cute
CUTE
>>139640217
It shits on the entire series. Dragonball Z had its flaws when you look at it today but it wasn't even near as bad as the steaming turd they deliver today
>>139640292
Then stop watching it.
It doesn't make DBZ any worse. It doesn't go back in time and delete DBZ.
>>139639849
We actually know now that Toyotaro makes storyboards based off of Toriyama's drafts (which Toriyama oversees, approves, and fixes when necessary), and Toei's animators use the manga's storyboards as the basis. Toyotaro adds little touches here and there (which are directly approved by Toriyama), so the manga's not literally 1:1 to Toriyama's draft.
But the chain of command seems to be:
Toriyama -> Toriyama -> Toyotaro -> Toei
Films -> Draft -> Manga -> Anime
Which naturally makes the manga, out of the two available incarnations of the story, the "source material".
And of course the two movies are the source material of the draft
>>139640440
the anime is the most derivative incarnation of the Hakaishin arc (Beerus, Golden Freeza, and Champa arcs)
The two films, and chapters 5 through 10 are the least derivative versions.
I almost want to define that as "canon"
>>139640196
>He sure as hell has now
Not at all. I mean, people like Bulma don't have one, why would it be the case for Vegeta?
>>139640262
Well, thing is: Namek dragonballs were fucking gone at that point and piccolo was possibly down for the count since he got shot by frieza before krilllin was killed.
Also, Krillin was already revived by earth's dragonballs, so the only hope would be namek's balls.
There was a very real chance that krillin couldn't be brought back at the time.
>>139640318
It shits on the old characters by throwing their characteristics out of the window. Just look at fucking Vegeta considering his character even GT did a better job
>>139640628
Oh you talk about the tard version of "pure of heart" that actually no person alive except for probably kid Goku had. Sure, then Vegeta obviously doesn't have a "pure heart".
>>139639938
Let's be honest, there's nothing regular about a Super Saiyan 2.
>>139601607
>>139601070
It seems to make sense, goku turned at the weakest point after going through all that space travel and brawling with freeza/ watching his close friend die.
Vegeta did so at a slightly stronger base when about to die from that meteor.
Gohan pulled it off from an even stronger base while training with a partner.
Goten and trunks somehow managed it before turning 10.
It might just be a transformation that puts a huge load on the body, saiyan evolution and genetic inheritance is a strange beast.
>>139640783
>Goten and trunks somehow managed it before turning 10.
I will never swallow this one. People can bring the asspulls to explain it as much as they want, it's still retarded.
you ready?
>>139640839
I totally can, saiyan DNA being stabilized with human DNA creating a hybrid species that mutates far easier makes perfect sense.
Hell, the transformation is apparently more than just energy turning their hair blonde and eyes blue (aka aryan/ yankee mode) so the super saiyan load goku dumped into chi chi might very well have been different from the regular load he busted into her that led to gohan.
>>139640932
Yeah, that's what I call an asspull.
>>139640839
Goku wasn't able to go SSj when Gohan was conceived. When Goten was conceived, Goku was able to go SSj.
It's the only correlation we have.
>>139640841
I'm not even sure what that GT tardlevel is pretending to be but sure senpai I'm ready
>>139640960
I don't think you understand ass pulls.
The super saiyan transformation is itself is an asspull, a hybrid creature being superior to its base creatures is as equally possible as it being inferior.
Just as half black, half white chicks can be incredibly attractive with no make up.
>>139604485
>implying Hit has God-ki
>implying you need it to beat a god
>>139639879
The Japanese meaning of pure of heart isn't the same as the western definition iirc.
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