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>>139083747
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
As long as you never give up and you keep pushing to better yourself, you'll make it no matter what. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
You must respect people and work hard to be in shape. And I used to train very hard. When the others players went to the beach after training, I was there kicking the ball.
>>139116967
What the fuck is up with this blonde faggot?
>>139117025
>>What the fuck is up with this blonde faggot?
Forgot to post pic?
>>139117025
Meant to quote >>139110969
まずは調子はどうだい
お前はまだ日本語分かってないですかい
ok ill say it in english. whats up dude
何年くらいここに居座ったんですかね
フラッシュカード勉強はどうだ？ 何か出来ますか？
いや答えるな
もう決まってるから
djtの勉強方法（皮肉と言えるだろ）なんて不完全なんだよ
証拠は？ このカキコ見ろ
結局何が分かるんですか？
何か勉強になりましたか？
多分無いね
そのなんでも無い生活に生きてる限り
今日も助けは来ない
ankiの書き込みに戻れ
そして踊れ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVlyNkyaqm8
>>139116967
What are you currently reading/listening to/playing?
>>139117393
Manga.
>>139117393
The stream, and it's shit.
>>139117441
Which manga?
>>139117443
The stream linked in the linked post here >>139117092 ?
Why don't we learn Korean already? The language from which all the other languages were derived.
>>139117469
ye
Some sort of game show about cats, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>139117469
>Which manga?
Railgun. Oh look, I'm caught up, because I read manga so quickly that it's boring.
>>139117488
I recognise one of the comedians on there, the fat one.
>>139117516
>Railgun.
Enjoying it?
>Im caught up, because I read manga so quickly that it's boring.
Wish that was my problem. Takes me hours to read a volume of manga.
>>139117576
Do you know what's up with the blonde dude that talks slow? Is this 日本人 humor?
>>139117629
>Is this 日本人 humor?
It's TV, anon.
TV anywhere is mainly trash aimed at the lowest common denominator and legit humour isn't allowed to be broadcast. It's for the lowest common denominator. The lowest.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2079428463
Is this worth getting?
Would there be any value in having a database of plaintext files copied down from the text in various manga? (No english translations, just the japanese text)
I was thinking I'd like something like that so I could follow along with it reading the manga in rikaichan.
Just wondering because I might start reading boku no hero academia and thinking about saving all the text or if I shouldn't bother
>>139117805
I'd read it.
>>139117690
i think mainstream is funny/cool a lot of the time. i have an iq of 169 and i have a phd in linguistics
Been away for a bit. What's this about CoR being kill?
>>139117576
>I recognise one of the comedians on there, the fat one.
I don't know too many comedians, but he was one of the main guys in the drama Akihabara@DEEP
>>139117794
Doesn't look like it could hurt and there aren't many cards and if they are accurate, why not? Nothing to really lose and there is something to gain. Go for it. It will take less than a week to go through and by then you should have a feeling of whether or not you feel like further reviewing.
>>139117847
>i think mainstream is funny/cool a lot of the time
That is fortunate as there is a lot of it. Consider yourself blessed, man.
>i have an iq of 169 and i have a phd in linguistics
Neat. Do you have a cute little sister?
>>139117928
Someone went out of there way to spam report the mega accounts linked and a bunch of stuff was removed.
>>139118014
No, it was his own uploads.
>>139117968
i do but shes not around right now
>>139118039
No it wasn't, at least not all of it. I have two of the mega accounts from the older split of accounts and received a bunch of obviously fake DMCA threads from throw away email addressed around 48 hours before getting email from mega explaining that my account was being looked into for fraudulent activity and when I went to log it, it kept screwing up, I had to reset my password and after logging in with the new password, my folders with a collection of light novels were all gone and the account says I have 50GB worth of date left on the cloud.
There is no fucking way I'm going to be using that account anymore.
>read Tae Kim
>start Anki drills, but end up doing the kangxi radicals v6 deck for the last week and a half
Shit. I wanted to start core at the same time. I guess it wasn't entirely pointless, learning radicals seems to help and there aren't even that many anyway.
>>139118061
>i do
Nice.
>>139118170
Nice.
Where should I be going again?
2chan or 2ch?
>>139118267
hell actually is the one you want
>>139118233
Not really, it scared the shit out of me.
Fortunately everything I have uploaded as been through a tunnelling service. The other account is still up, which has like 10GB of light novel scans.
I've sent an email to the anon who gave me the mega account in the first place, no response.
>>139118267
They both have a stack of different topic boards- try both.
>>139118392
>I've sent an email to the anon who gave me the mega account in the first place, no response.
The guy who distributed those accounts from the "original owner" is the original CoR guy who freaked out in the first place, so I hear. He's trying to destroy it again.
>>139118170
>my uploads are still up and active
Easily replaced, but still. Guess Mega just went after the larger accounts.
Any good podcasts for listening comprehension? There's an abundance on iTunes.
>>139118475
Maybe but I doubt it. Anyway, time will tell.
>>139118503
It was surprising that mega actually did anything.
>>139118568
Have you looked into the Jpod101 collection in the CoR? For listening comprehension lessons it is pretty much generic but all round decent.
How do I find compelling content if I don't like to read hentai, manga or VNs? LNs would be okay if I was a bit better. What do?
>>139118847
Read VNs that aren't otakubait.
>>139118879
The pacing is just so slow. I get bored and it turns into a chore so quick
>>139118847
other people cant put you on track to entertain yourself
its all up to you
テメーら
興味があるなら、ハースストーン見ようtwitch dot tv/playhearthstonejp
ダクターブームop
>>139119001
hearthstoneはgay as fuckです
>>139119001
へー（棒
>>139117093
>結局何が分かるんですか？
お前が日本人ではないことが分かったよ
>>139118847
there are surely manga and VNs out there that would hold your interest. you probably just haven't found them.
for me, sometimes i just google shit i'm interested in and look around a bit. sometimes i end up at a website or blog about something interesting and i try to read that. in the end it's pretty much just up to you to find what you like though. at least finding a manga you like seriously shouldn't be hard though. do you just not like reading at all or something?
>>139119001
I wish Japan started having hearthstone streams when I was still playing it. Now it's too late
>>>/vr/3088172
>all that terrible advice
Always funny as hell to see people discuss learning Japanese outside of djt, makes me think how djt isn't all that bad.
>>139119491
The thread was invaded by DJT though so a decent amount of it reflects on us
I want to buy a game console to play games both in Japanese and english. What are my options?
>skip Anki for one time
>have 100 kanjis to redo for the next 3 days
Never again.
>>139119491
that post from the "language instructor" is quite disturbing
>>139119491
Holy shit /vr/ still exists
>>139119603
3ds
>install cfw
>get free japanese games
Or if you are not into pirating:
>Put homebrewlauncher on it
>Makes all games region free, no need to buy a seperate J region 3ds
Is ps2 region locked? If not, that too for all the jrpgs on that system.
>>139119001
>Anyfin can happen is called 七つの鯛罪
lol
>>139117025
My dick.
>>139119777
>Is ps2 region locked?
Is.
>>139119603
sega genesis
I was super gung ho about doing the N1 but I've lost all motivation to continue doing the fucking prep books. Studying really makes even things you like a chore
絶望した
>>139119001
I'd
>>139119603
PS3/4/Vita, whichever has the games you want to play, they're all region free. Nindendo's shit is all locked unless you break it and there's not much compelling content on Xbox.
>>139119777
ps2s region locked but almost everything works in hdl and its not like djt doesnt like stealing everything so
>>139119777
>3ds
>install cfw
>get free japanese games
>get eye cancer from kanji in shitty resolution
Kind of a shame, it got some good games, too.
>Is ps2 region locked?
You can emulate it on a toaster nowadays.
>>139119001
I'd rather watch some Dark Souls 3 streams, but when on every one of them the guy streaming is totally silent.
Reminder that this is the Japan you chose.
>>139119902
You guys were right this general really is a breeding ground for autists
>>139119902
i can make djt great again but you clearly cannot
>>139119603
psp, ps3, ps4.
ps vita too, however...
because of how the system works, it's a damn pain in the ass to switch between two different-region accounts.
if i remember correctly, it's locked to the actual system, not even the memory card, and the only way to change it is to format the system and redo the initial setup. therefore if you don't want to lose your data, you have to have a spare empty memory card to put in before formatting. plus doing the setup takes a while and even includes something like a 3 minute unskippable video. i just gave up on switching back and forth because it was so annoying to do, especially compared to ps3 and ps4 where it's just a couple button presses.
>>139120147
>it's locked to the actual system, not even the memory card
Nah, now you can swap cards around to play using different accounts.
But you shouldn't be using anything but the Japanese one anyway.
>>139119902
No wonder the thread was so fast
And no, the thread devolved into shitposting
>>139120188
oh really? thank god.
>>139120147
>. therefore if you don't want to lose your data, you have to have a spare empty memory card to put in before formatting
You can back up your data to your PC, so you don't need a second memory card. Having a second memory card is less troublesome though.
If you have ps+ you actually get cloudsave think?
Also you can always just import japanese games physically, you just wont be able to buy DLC
>>139119902
Your posts didn't improve the thread. You flooded the thread with questions that were not a part of the conversation. I realize you think you were unnoticed, but I think it was clear that something strange was happening and that's why people started chasing ghosts. Conversations need to be organic; there can't just be people spamming isolated questions all the time.
>>139119603
I had the chance to get a Famicom in Akiba but pussied out. I don't deserve it.
>>139119274
I like reading english novels, so I assume I'd like LNs or Japanese novels, but they are pretty difficult. I don't know why but I always got bored and lost interest with manga and VNs. I don't think I've ever gotten past 2 volumes of any one manga.
I like to talk to people and watch anime, both of which aren't really going to help my reading. Maybe I'll try another LN
>>139119792
I wish the cards were in Japanese, their names and voice acting are so much better.
>証明してやるぞ！
>いつかあたしはあなたみたいに！
>>139120366
what did you get instead
>>139117093
>証拠は？ このカキコ見ろ
hahahaha
>>139120398
hmm. i might suggest to look for short-story kinds of manga. i really don't know many at all to be honest, but you know, little self-contained stuff like most of junji ito's.
since those kinds are really short, it would perhaps feel like less of an investment to slowly read through and probably won't become as boring or tiresome. have you tried reading stuff like that?
>>139119491
> I started learning Japanese through games 15 years ago and I'm JLPT2
Jesus.
Does ここに誰も mean "anyone here"?
さくらがきゅうしゅう
しこくのあったかい地域で
みごろだとおもうよ
あたしのとこはまだつぼみ
本当の黒人の時間だぞ！ 誰が起きていやがる？
>>139120814
No one.
>>139120917
ステーキステーキ
おれわSHIT, DICK IN YO MOUTH
>>139121057
おれもshit, dick in yo mouth抜き
Is there a way to make Anki not delete two cards if they have the same sort field?
>>139121736
are you spamming again?
>>139121781
No, it was legit, and I just saw that there's an option for it, sorry.
>>139121801
No, it's fine. Your question just resembled what the spammer was posting before.
>>139121844
haha i was actually the spammer
Does the "new cards per day" actually give you new words, or does that include the review? It doesn't seem like I'm actually getting the number of new cards that I put in.
>>139121961
It gives you new cards, yes.
Wait, are you spamming again?
>>139121961
Maybe you have multiple card types and you're getting doubles.
If you're the spammer, suck a fat one buddy.
>>139122004
I guess I have brain problems. It certainly doesn't feel like I learned 200 new kanji, but counting the card browser seems to say otherwise.
>>139122061
Check with KanjiGrid.
>>139122061
Which deck?
Also, what this guy said >>139122086
fuck today's anki was the worst time i've had with it.
my head was not in the game. i'd forget shit literally within 10 seconds, it was absurd.
damn it pissed me off.
>>139122399
>i'd forget shit literally within 10 seconds
That happens to me every day.
I thought that was normal?
どこをどう走ったのか、自分でもわからない
I assume the どこをどう is kind of like a where and how but why the を? I feel like I'm missing something.
>>139122419
well i'm sure it's normal to an extent, but i've never had it happen on this level.
i'd continually forget the same card within 10 seconds like 5 times in a row. near the end it was cycling through like 5 cards every one of which i'd forget each time it came around. that's definitely an exaggeration but it sort of felt like that. my mind just felt comparatively hella blank during my reps today.
Do you guys mine vocab into its own deck? I just push the Core cards to the top (except when the word isn't on the deck for whatever reason).
Also, what's with the "optimized" decks?
>>139120939
>>139120814
ここに誰もいない
Nobody here
So he's spamming, right? Every few minutes there's been a generic stand-alone question.
>>139122584
I have a Japanese main deck and the Core and mined vocab subdecks under that. This is because I needed to be able to have different options for each deck such as different new cards per day when I was still doing core.
>>139122743
分からん
若しかして.. 本物だ?
>橅
>ブナ
>蕪
>カブ
radicalがどうだろうと
やっぱりわからないものはわからない
>>139122743
I posted>>139121736 and >>139120814.
>>139122447
it pretty much is in this case. を makes it basically exactly like saying "where" in english and indicates that you ran somewhere while keeping it as vague as simply saying "where"
think about how like 何を can be used its the same idea
>>139123108
I see. I'm probably just being paranoid then, sorry.
来年話したみたい
It looks like we talked last year
This isn't weird right. I don't know why but it seems weird to me. Context is someone on hellotalk who I apparently talked with last year
>>139123778
it kind of is because you sound kinda awkwardly distant saying みたい
>>139123478
i've been paranoid too, recently. in certain contexts it sometimes becomes legitimately difficult to tell shitposts from non-shitposts
i find certain parallels between english and japanese kind of interesting, many of them are metaphors that i just wouldn't imagine being pretty so similar in japanese.
a similar thing i was wondering about
おかしい means both humorous and strange. we can say "funny" in english in the same way, meaning either funny "ha-ha" or funny like "this soup tastes funny..."
but does the japanese word prefer one meaning or have different sort of connotations from its english parallel? it's a pretty basic word but i'm inexperienced in seeing it in the wild
Which spelling do I add to my deck?
>>139123852
context determines everything
>>139123778
よう would sound more natural I think
>>139123904
I'd say forget about the ones with 御 in front as long as you know it's just the kanji for the honorific お or ご that comes in front of some words (like ご飯 can also be written 御飯)
so then it's just down to お腹 or お中, and I'm sure お腹 is more common. I've never seen the other one used as stomach before, and rikai usually puts the most common one at the top.
>>139123904
お腹痛い
>>139123904
If you're ever unsure about which version of something is the most common you can input them here and compare the number of hits: http://yourei.jp/
>>139123904
first
>>139124000
>もなか
sweet red bean called "Anko" filling sandwiched between two twin crisp wafers
>>139124057
That looks really useful, thanks.
>>139120341
The thing is anon, you have no idea which posts they were and you would have never anything if I didn't post that.
What you don't know is that I've been doing this since Feb, on and off and almost every thread I didn't run this little experiment, they had a couple of arguments that took up 100s of posts. It was somewhat shockly how predictably the threads would be reduced to huge spanning off topic arguments on the days I refrained from posting. It is certainly something to think about, even if you may not want to accept it.
>>139123851
Yeah maybe that's it
>>139123916
Alright
Also I said 来年 instead of 去年
できないー
>>139124173
You say you made it better but actually you just took up peoples time to answer your question when they could have been studying.
It's a superficial change. What point does it serve if it's not actually helping anyone?
and why are you wasting so much of your own time doing this? Are you even studying Japanese? Why not spend that time to further improve yourself?
>>139124173
What a fuckin autist
>>139124173
Actually, I've been feeling that DJT has been getting worse the last few weeks... You're right that I didn't expect some strangely diligent spammer, but who would? I really think you've been making the threads worse.
>>139124207
できるよ。がんばっておにいちゃん
>>139124173
自閉症高ぇ
どう見ても精神病しかあるまい
>>139124207
最後に気づいてる
次回はできる
New card
>ゆ
>public bathhouse
>>139124647
Hit "edit" and change it to 湯
I have about 4 to 5 hours of work ahead, I want some casual Japanese conversation to listen to, any suggestions?
I tried some of the radio programs from the paste, but they are either 5 minute long or unavailable.
>>139124681
こんのれん
紺暖簾に白抜きの「ゆ」は特別な意味があるよ
>>139124741
ニコ生クルーズ?
>>139124741
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E5%A3%B0%E5%84%AA%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B8%E3%82%AA
>>139124741
music
>>139124741
if you look on youtube you can find endless amounts of them as they relate to anime
>>139124799
Nicolive is shit, keeps jewing on me.
>>139124802
>>139124821
Oh, that might work. I have some Lucky Star radio sessions (Shiarishi / Akira) from the anime's discography, but holy shit, Shiraishi talks too fast. Let's find some stuff from shows I know about.
>>139124813
That's plan B.
>doing kanji
>kanji for "fall/sink" doesn't have "down" in it
>kanji for "finger" doesn't have "hand" in it
>"woman" appears in a whole shitload of things that have nothing to do with women and screws me up when i reach things like "ane"
>there's this one fucking radical that confuses the shit out of me and I can never remember anything that has it in it
>keep trying to see patterns in things and failing
>have asked and searched for good resources on radicals multiple times but there truly doesn't seem to be anything that just teaches you radicals and their meaning with examples and no bloat
Somewhere in this madness I've found my grit though. I'm going to pummel this fucking brick wall in with my head even if I have to repeat certain kanji a hundred times a day. If nothing can help me then I'll just figure it out myself, I'm so fucking filled with hatred towards this shitty language that I won't be able to rest until I've beaten it.
>>139125191
kanji math doesnt add up
also if you feel this way now id hate to see how upset you will be when you start to forget all the stuff you dont use down the road
>>139125191
>kanji for "finger" doesn't have "hand" in it
指？ It's right there.
Best/easiest LNs that read like an english fantasy/thriller novel?
>>139125191
I hate kanjis like 傑終始結婚線設読続探, they all look the same to me.
>>139125391
Baccano
>Can I use a kaomoji here?
>Is this sentence too long?
>Which ellipses should I use?
>Is this enough www's or too much?
I feel more nervous posting in 2ch than I did at my last job interview
>>139125191
Dude they're just words. Everything you're pounding your head to try and figure out right now are supposed to be simple mnemonic type things that help you learn, because eventually you're supposed to outgrow them.
Like he said>>139125335
Pick and choose what works for you, drop what doesn't. Guage your progress by how much vocab you're actually retaining and that's it, because that's all that really matters.
>>139125458
That's your subconscious telling you to lurk more.
>>139125458
How to get past gaijin-blocker?
>>139124741 here.
I regret everything. Voice Actors are too noisy, my head hurts.
Silence it is for today.
send help my dick can't control itself with all this ntr coming out
>>139125505
>have long pleasant conversation
>think my cover isn't blown, finally learned japanese
>get suddenly asked "So how is it in your country?"
>>139125686
I occasionally roll unblocked IPs with my ISP and I've been posting normally all day but I'll probably buy a premium account in the future
某は戦場で生まるる。某、刀範士。某、かわゐゐ猫ゐるで。
>下る
>下げる
>下りる
>下り
>下ろす
>>139125885
> roll unblocked IPs
What does this mean? Also, what premium account?
ちゃんとまいにちおふろはいってね
>>139119902
>>139124173
Well I wasn't here last thread so that's good but if you are saying you are doing this from Feb, then you definitely have wasted some of my time too.
Please don't do that anon, you are wasting people's time for nothing. Nobody benefitted from your question and my time was wasted replying to you when I can instead just idling or do something else.
So, what I've learned in 1.5 months as a beginner:
Pre-WW2 kana.
Modern kana.
25 simplified Kanji.
My question is if I should continue with the simplified characters or move on to the traditional ones? I don't really want to read any 1000 year old book at this point, so would it be wiser to go with simplified?
>>139126320
did you learn the secret kana yet?
>>139126365
What do you mean by that?
>>139126089
Just learn the pronunciation and bear in mind it has to do with go down/decrease, don't memorize the specific meaning.
It's more useful to learn it later with context.
There are still variants like 降る 降ろす.
>>139126122
how new are you?
>>139126378
>he doesn't know
出来ない
>>139126378
don't worry about it
>>139126320
What do you mean simplified kanji? There is only one type of relevant kanji in Japanese, no "simplified" and "traditional" like in Chinese. At best some have alternative, obsolete forms like Like 国 vs 國.
>>139126438
>>139126455
Yeah, I get it now.
>>139126506
I mean smaller number of strokes in general.
>>139126320
Neat.
Have you learned any grammar or vocab?
>>139126537
>I mean smaller number of strokes in general.
Can you give an example?
>>139126549
About 50 words probably, but they are really common ones. I don't think I can tackle grammar before knowing a good amount of Kanji, i'm thinking 600-800 at least.
>>139126558
示 - 礻
龍 - 竜
>>139126130
サンキュー
いもうと！
>>139126643
do you intend to do any reading before you got your one thousand kanjis under your belt?
>>139126643
You're doing it wrong
>>139126691
Not until he finishes one year of doing 22 sets of Hirigana and Katagana chants under a flowing waterfall.
>>139126643
I realize these are just examples, but japanese doesn't work on a simplified-traditional system like chinese. Both 龍 and 竜 are in use and have slightly different meanings, they aren't different versions of each other. And 礻 isn't actually a kanji.
>>139126643
Are they shortened so you can fit more of them on a single bone?
>>139126643
Nah man. Learn grammar, kanji and vocab at the same time.
>>139126643
Huh, well again you shouldn't separate kanji into two categories. For each kanji, there is only one form that you should normally use and thus need to learn. Like you should know 示, but 礻 is useless, it it never used as a kanji, it's just a radical. And 龍 is very rarely used, you only need 竜 until you get to expert level.
By the way I would personally recommend studying grammar and general language instead of just focusing kanji exclusively for so long. Especially since you don't really seem to understand what kanji you even need or not.
>>139126691
How would I do that? Maybe little children's books, but I won't have enough advanced grammar knowledge.
>>139126741
But I want to read meaningful material that will most likely use complex Kanji like 龍、國、賓。
>>139126761
I'm afraid my head might hurt a lot.
>>139126767
Why do I need grammar if I can't read? I really can't quite understand this concept of focusing on grammar without learning the alphabet.
>>139126853
godspeed anon and good luck, you will need it.
>>139126853
>I'm afraid my head might hurt a lot.
Is this bait?
>Why do I need grammar if I can't read?
>why do I need to know the building blocks required to read in this language if I can't read
It's bait.
>>139126931
But even if I understand the grammar, if I don't know the Kanji used it won't make any sense. Yeah, maybe with children's work in hiragana/katana it might work, but I want to read deeper stuff than that. I don't mean that as an insult to Japanese culture, just saying that I don't like reading things aimed at kids.
>>139126998
did you start learning English with Shakespeare?
>>139126853
>Why do I need grammar if I can't read? I really can't quite understand this concept of focusing on grammar without learning the alphabet.
You encounter a sentence, and if it contains any words you don't know, you just look it up, and that's how you learn new words. Then when you know all the words in the sentence, you apply the grammar and understand the meaning. Rinse and repeat.
I kind of understand where you are coming from, but you cannot apply the logic of english to japanese. You don't need to learn the entire collection of kanji before you start reading. In fact it is impossible. There is not a single person in the world that knows all the kanji there is. Even just learning the jouyou kanji is a huge undertaking, much less in addition to the obscure ones you mention. Expecting to master that before even learning any of the actual language like grammar and words, is like expecting to become a master of chess without ever playing a match. You learn the language by trying to reading and understand stuff you don't know, just like you learn chess by playing matches, even if you are sure to lose in the beginning.
>>139127019
No, I didn't learn English.
>>139127020
But I'm not learning the language, I'm learning the building blocks of Japanese - Kanji. With full knowledge of Kanji it would be much easier to learn the grammar, wouldn't it? I think I can devote a year just to learning as many Kanji as I can and then starting grammar/vocab. Is it that bad of an idea?
>>139127020
>There is not a single person in the world that knows all the kanji there is
>>139127106
learn these kanji
出来ない
>>139127106
>With full knowledge of Kanji it would be much easier to learn the grammar, wouldn't it?
No because you'll never get to "full knowledge of Kanji" (whatever that is even supposed to mean)
>>139127106
I think what he means is that it would be more efficient to learn grammar and start reading CUMPELLING CONTENT because you can learn more Kanjis^TM per sentence and at the same time get a feel for the language and how it works.
>>139127106
>I think I can devote a year just to learning as many Kanji as I can
I'm going through a similar path, but I'm learning just 2000 to begin studying grammar, because I want to use what I'm learning before I start forgetting it.
I'm currently at 1900 words, 5 days to go, dokidoki suru.
>>139127106
Just treat kanji like words rather than letters, because that's a more fitting comparison.
If you were learning english, would you first memorize the entire dictionary before you started actually reading stuff? Of course not. No way in hell you would be able to memorize the entire dictionary without reading stuff, because it is precisely by reading stuff you are able to memorize the dictionary. Except if you are savant maybe. And even if you somehow were able to, it would be EXTREMELY inefficient and frankly ridiculous.
>>139126998
Maybe actually read the fucking guide retard
>>139127106
I was about to write a really long response detailing how wrong you are and what you should be doing, but I'm seriously at a loss for words.
I don't even know what to say.
But to answer your questions:
>With full knowledge of Kanji it would be much easier to learn the grammar, wouldn't it?
No, kanji has nothing to do with grammar.
>I think I can devote a year just to learning as many Kanji as I can and then starting grammar/vocab. Is it that bad of an idea?
Yes, that is a bad idea.
After you do that you'll realize that you learned absolutely nothing worthwhile because learning kanji completely separately is completely pointless when you don't know anything about vocab or grammar.
>>139127158
>>139127176
What's that supposed to mean?
>>139127197
The last two 「な」「い」 aren't actually Kanji, that's kana (Japanese syllabary). And I know the two Kanji, they are 「出」「来」 「exit」「come」.
>>139127257
Good luck to you! I probably won't stop at 2000 though.
>>139127267
But Kanji have distinct meaning that can be decoded via the radicals, basically they have deep cultural meaning. English letters are just sounds, like the kana syllabaries.
Just let him fail, he deserves it for being dumb.
>>139127408
>But Kanji have distinct meaning that can be decoded via the radicals
No you can't.
>>139127408
This is magical. You should teach me how to bait.
>>139127448
He's obviously trolling
>>139127106
>No, I didn't learn English.
How can people respond to you when you open a post with that?
I'll give you credit for putting at least a bit of effort into your bait though. Well done.
>>139127408
I really want to believe this is bait.
I don't want to believe that someone is actually this stupid.
But I know, there are actually people this stupid in the world.
Please be bait, otherwise I really feel sorry for you.
>>139127534
I have no doubt there are people this stupid, but they're somewhere else, not in this thread.
>>139127408
>The last two 「な」「い」 aren't actually Kanji, that's kana (Japanese syllabary). And I know the two Kanji, they are 「出」「来」 「exit」「come」.
>>139127528
I kinda assumed that he means that he is a native speaker and didn't have to "learn" english the way you'd have to learn a secondary language.
Because as retarded as he is he probably would have started learning english with sheakspear if he learned it as a secondary language
>>139127528
What's wrong with my post? I didn't learn English, it was automated.
>>139127534
I don't get this 'he is baiting' reaction. How is it possible that nobody thought of learning a lot of Kanji before grammar?
>>139127618
Because it doesn't work.
>>139127528
>>139127602
To follow up (assuming it's not bait which it obviously is)
Someone this retarded wouldn't be able to learn English as a second language in the first place.
Would an "easy interval" of 1 day fuck me up? I want to speed this whole thing up but switching my custom studies between new cards and reviewing ahead is getting annoying
>>139119902
>What I concluded that was the only reason these threads can really go into off topic trainwrecks is because people go out of their way to do so.
>>139127643
why not do more new cards per day instead?
>>139127602
there is literally nothing wrong with starting off with Shakespeare whose writing is experimental and full of dynamic wordplay instead of rigid shitty textbook writing
>いよいよ_ 22,557
>愈々_20
>>139127630
Why? Explain to me like I'm 5 years old please. Why wouldn't learning the alphabet before tackling grammar be a logical and rational way of approaching such a difficult language for foreigners as Japanese?
>>139127641
I've learned a foreign language already. I started with the alphabet just as any sane person would. But I don't understand why it wouldn't work with Japanese.
>>139127643
>I want to speed this whole thing up
Anki is for long term retention.
Long term.
>>139127687
Because Kanji are NOT the alphabet. Kana are. Kanji are more of vocab than they are an alphabet.
>>139127658
Well I'm already doing that but if I have to wait multiple days to review them it takes me ages to consistently remember them I feel like. Sure I can just concentrate more while first learning them and I'm doing that to the best of my ability, but wouldn't brute forcing be more efficient?
>>139127742
you would be right, but only if we were all having a japanese exam in two weeks.
long term retention only happens by repetition and this doesnt men "20 times a day" but "20 times over the course of three months".
its a lot of work, yeah, but no one said this was going to be easy. you can try to "brute-force" 300 kanjis today, but you will have forgotten them all in a month.
>>139127643
>>139127742
Just make a filter deck for card forgotten over the last day and work through it once or twice a day after your normal reps.
>>139127687
KANA is the alphabet, which you should learn first.
KANJI is essentially vocab. It's like learning the shape of words in english before grammar, it makes no sense.
>>139118664
>Maybe but I doubt it. Anyway, time will tell.
I'm fairly certain it was him, Even if it's not, he doesn't have any CoR access, you'll have to email one of the guys on the feedback form about it. I think the random jumbled up email is the current feedback guy.
Stumbled over "かなC" today.
I understand what that is supposed to say (悲しい), but what environment does that しい->C stem from?
>>139127991
Environment? It's just pronounced similarly, why are you over-analyzing
>>139127991
Ｔｈｅ ｈｉｐ ａｎｄ ｃｏｏｌ ｉｎｔｅｒｗｅｂｓ．
>>139128038
I mean, what kind of people use that?
>>139128081
delinquents
bakas
>>139128038
The English letter C is read "shii" in Japanese.
>>139127834
It wasn't, I can say that much because the email of the anon who gave me access to the CoR originally responded to my email and he received a whole bunch of suspect DCMA claims and email from someone using the throwaway email
[email protected]
that was, to quote "strange and disturbing, but not something to worth discussing with other people". This email was from the one that started with uisukii, and I think that was the one the original cor anon posted for feedback. I don't know what really happened but he didn't really say much. I asked for the list of other anons who was given mega accounts so I could try and contact them to see if they had the same happen but he didn't mention it and I don't know if he is going to stay in contact. It was pretty impersonal and a little vague, to be honest.
>>139128081
The same people that use 2 instead of to and 4 instead of for
>>139128112
あのん△
>>139128196
What's that Kanji? Rikaichan doesn't know it
>>139128223
It's an ancient Greek kanji read as 「デルタ」
>>139128261
No that would be Δ, not △
>>139128223
>>139128261
ふくざつだからわかんないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
>あのんさんかっこいい
>あのんさんかっけい
>あのん三角形
>あのん△
Does anyone know if Kanji Grid works with AnkiDroid?
>>139128275
lel, I guess I should start browsing 2ch and shit so I can learn memery like this
>>139128447
すくなくともここ１０年前から１００年以上前くらいにつかわれていたものに似ているんだよ
音を形であらわすから、漢字の成り立ちそのものと同じだよ
Shift-JISにはない字だから
文字化けするとおもうけど
>あります
>あり〼
What are some manga that aren't boring? Every manga I've tried to read I got bored of
オルゴン（Orgone） は、精神医学者ヴィルヘルム・ライヒが発見したとする自然界に遍在・充満するエネルギーのこと。 オルガスムス（性的絶頂）からオルゴンと名づけられた。
So why is it that I was able to learn basic english from watching cartoons as a kid, but couldn't learn more than a few words of japanese from watching anime? Is it because it's a harder language?
>>139129515
You probably consumed a lot more english than japanese in total, plus you probably had english in school, right? And while it is not objectively harder, english is probably much closer to your native language so your brain had a much easier time connecting the dots unconsciously.
>>139129515
I don't know about you but anime gave me a very noticeable head start for learning Japanese.
Although now my vocab and grammar skills are way behind my listening comprehension so I need to mute VNs and Anki for the most part to improve those.
>>139128275
>tfw learned my first japanese only meme
Studying this language is finally starting to pay off.
>>139119902
A Stepford DJT huh.
>>139126192
Keep doing god's work anon, don't let this joker psyche you out.
>>139119902
I guess I'll stop answering any questions on DJT then. I don't like having my time wasted, so I don't want to answer fake questions that no one is actually asking.
What happened to the template, why is the full link instead of the usual shortener
http://bitlasers.com/djt used?
>>139129982
The thread was probably made by the guy who insisted that the bitlasers owner was making money with the link.
>>139129575
I don't know, is Latvian close at all to english? I doubt it. I guess cartoons plus watching youtube commentators as a kid helped me a lot. Spelling was helped by watching anime with subtitles. Most of the things they taught in school I already knew.
>>139129587
I guess that's true, since a lot of the times I hear japanese, it feels vaguely familiar and I feel like I know the meaning, but I don't, because i'm missing a piece to understand it fully. I don't know how to explain it, but it isn't like that with other languages to me.
>>139129982
A troll claimed bitlasers.com was just used to promote the business and anon gave in and changed it
>>139130075
>>139130114
I am actually the owner of the bitlasers domain. I do certainly not make money with, it's just a basic redirect. Here's the actual code for the page:
<?
Header( "HTTP/1.1 301" );
Header( "Location: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true" );
?>
I guess if anything it increases the SEO rank of my site as it increases the backlink count read by google bots crawling 4chan, but I don't really care if you keep it removed or not, I was just trying to help, as people was complaining that normal link shorteners people set up was always being taken down by dmca requests or something.
>>139129362
Why are you learning japanese? You don't have to read manga if it doesn't interest you
>>139130240
Has anyone ever sued you after their kid got blinded by one of your lasers?
>>139130249
What I really want to read is just regular novels, or even LNs, but they are kind of difficult too.
>>139130240
You okay with us continuing to use it? Or would you rather us keep using the google docs link on the off-chance that autist tries to go after you?
>>139130249
いいことをいう
あなたのこころがきめることを
あなたいがいがきめているなら
かなしいことだとおもうよ
>>139130440
Then you can read easy novels with a dictionary
This isn't rocket science
>>139130392
Heh, no. I think people are responsible enough to keep such things out of reach for kids
>>139130452
Eh, do as you wish, I don't think it will be a problem. No one has ever contacted me outside of 4chan regarding the redirect, and if someone did and asked me to remove it, I'd just do it, so there wouldn't be any need for someone to start harassing.
>>139130494
相田みつを？
>>139130651
>if someone did and asked me to remove it, I'd just do it
fucking wuss
>>139131209
いいえ、あたしだょ
でもにてるね
>listening to engaging music
>300 cards in 20 minutes studied
>60% correct answers on mature cards
worth it.
>>139131645
>60% correct answers on mature cards
that's awful
>>139119603
PS4
>wow that kanji looks awful to remember
>eh, ill just remember it as that one complex kanji
Don't repeat my mistake.
Wait, what actual VN do I play, now?
I got all excited thinking I was ready to dive into reading something, but everything in the guide is "advanced" or "intermediate".
We don't have any beginner VNs that work with a text hooker? What?
>>139132097
Hanahira
It'll be the most tedious waste of your time in your life, but such is tradition.
あげる
上げる
ｗ
>>139132097
Hanahira. Flyable Hearts. Dies Irae.
>>139131962
Instead, remember it as that one complex kanji with that particular radical
>>139132097
Just do Hanahira or Flyable Heart. Compelling content is important, but the first thing you're going to read you're most likely going to ruin and misunderstand enough that if it has anything resembling a plot you're not going to be able to follow it anyways. Plus Flyable Heart's is actually good when you get to the routes, so the common route is prefect as a throwaway to get used to reading.
After your first VN (or after the common route in the case of Flyable Heart) is when the fun starts, unless you have shit enough taste to unironically love the common route or Hanahira.
>>139132305
>Aika will never naizuri youhttps://vndb.org/i1253
What are you reading, DJT?
Has anyone tried digimon world next 0rder? How hard would it be for a beginner?
>>139131962
why don't people just use memeonics
>>139132363
I wouldn't say I loved Hanahira but I found it cute enough to be enjoyable. And it's so fucking easy that you rarely need to look shit up.
Which makes it pretty perfect as a babby's first VN, especially if you like qt lesbian girls.
>>139132581
Actually, on a second thought - I hate the fucking blue haired bitch and her slurred and stuttering ass. Speak normally, you fucking retard.
>>139083819
>>139085736
>>139086107
As I said I would yesterday, I reuploaded the "AWZ3/EPUB/MOBI Collection" to mega, I have already submitted it to the feedback section to be put back into the CoR, leaving it here in case anyone needs it now.
>mega:///#F!Dwd2TJIZ!p3o66BOnFLbkrFHFHldjrw
>>139132823
Absolutely based. Thank you so much, anon.
>>139128113
If it wasn't CoR-kun, you should ask him to upload the manga (and LN?) to madokami.
man taking out all the shitty numbering things and days from core 2k makes it a ton easier to get into
>>139127106
Nigga just learn chinese.
>>139131962
>>wow that kanji looks awful to remember
>>eh, ill just remember it as that one complex kanji
That's how I remember every kanjilmao
>>139132823
Thanks, I was just going to ask about that.
>>139132731
別にの女王
>>139131731
I think that's the lowest I ever got. I usually get around 90%.
Thanks /djt/
>>139133586
>魑魅魍魎
It's great that you don't have to learn any of the kanji for this and can just remember the whole thing as an easy chunk
>>139131962
That is an useful technique for learning vocabulary when there is another kanji.
Lots of formerly complex kanji became pretty elementary after I learned new stuff, so when I come across it again, I finally understand it.
For instance, 授業 (jugyou) was totally alien to me, and it showed up very early. I just shrugged and accepted it as "that complex word that sounds like Yu-gi-oh!" to get it past the reviews.
But a month later I learned lots of _業 words. The "gyou" ending was thus memorized.
A month later, 授業 shows up for review. I had forgot about it being a "complex kanji" word, but I immediately recognized the second kanji. "Hey, that first kanji isn't any of the _業 words I've learned...".
So I couldn't get this review right, but the answer "jugyou" was now totally easy to remember.
It's been another month later and I've learned a couple words using 授, which also helps.
>>139133717
>any
魅 is common.
魅力 and such. Everything else yeah, not really used.
>>139133807
Damn
I don't think I've ever looked at the individual kanji in 魑魅魍魎 I just remember it as a 4 word phrase with the 鬼 radical
>贔屓
貝radical 4 times for 2 kanji
Why are there so many different counters? This is dumb as shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_counter_word#Common_counters_by_category
Anybody got any tips for listening practice?
I've been listening to radio on and off for about 2 years and I still have trouble picking up words or particles whilst still following along with the sentences.
e.g.
>I know that word, what was it?
>3-4 words go by
>Got it
>Missed too much
>Lose concentration because I don't know the context or which part they're talking about
>>139134814
Rewind, listen to it again, and again, then play it normal until you get to more words you are unsure of, then rewind etc. Repetition is best. Of course that won't work with live radio.
>>139134814
I started watching drama of anime/manga I've read. More visual help than anime, already know the plot, and it's crap enough that I don't really mind missing anything.
Guys I pretty much live in mini-Japan (a Japanese enclave of the US) and have met with several Japanese convo partners in person.
How do I get the most out of these sessions? Some of them like to view it as teacher-student, others are rather passive and hard to talk to.
>葛西さんて終業後何すんの?
>What should we do after Kasai-san's work ends?
Does that make any sense or am I missing something crucial about this sentence's meaning?
>>139135201
>How do I get the most out of these sessions?
Japanese people are pretty beta, so you need to take the lead and guide the conversation wherever you want it to go.
where can I find "mainichi no doriru" in pdf?
or is buying the only option?
>>139135540
Read the guide.
>>139133717
I've seen both 魑魅 and 魍魎 used individually as well.
semi new friend here, been orbiting around learning jap since November last year, regular shitposter
how do you or how did you balance grammar and vocab with a busy schedule when you were starting out
please share tips出来ない
What's ショ at the end of a sentence?
>>139135276
Pretty sure it's asking what Kasai-san will do after work.
>>139135753
>grammar
I read 1 chapter of tae kim a day on my phone. If I wasn't too tired, I would read the whole thing otherwise I'd skip to the example sentences and conjugation rules. Oh and I made sure to do every single exercise since there aren't many.
>vocab
Ankidroid + sync on my phone so I can whittle down my reps when I'm commuting or on the shitter. If I'm especially busy I lower the new card per day or just don't do my new cards for the day at all.
>>139135784
でしょう？ → っしょう？ → っしょ？
>>139135865
out of curiosity, we're you writing down the sentences or were you typing them out
>(regarding competitive sporting tanks) 軍用戦車にない装飾でファンも多いです。
Is that saying it's popular *because* of the designs/decorations you don't see on military tanks, or merely that those decorations are one element of their popularity?
>>139135974
I just typed them on notepad and compared them with the solution. I imagine you could do the same with any note taking app on your mobile device. Also, I don't buy into the 'you need to write to work in a japanese environment' nonsense.
>>139136072
Wait, should rephrease, is it saying the decorations have a lot of fans, or they have a lot of fans because of the designs and stuff?
Anybody that is currently here regularly visit 2chan and 2ch? Can I ask how do you make a post over there from non-japan IP?
>>139136389
Get a proxy client.
>>139136744
Thanks.
Paid or free? I don't mind a paid one. What proxy services are usually recommended here? I'll just follow the usual recommendations if there are any.
>>139132731
>>139133398
>that hair style
God it's so fucking perfect
>>139137244
i like men too
>>139137244
KyoAni was on fucking point with Hyouka, too bad about the fucking ending.
>>139138131
Speaking of Hyouka, anyone here read it? How hard is the vocab?
>slogging through anki, suddenly see:
>起きる
>起こる
>起こす
Fuck I'm going to be stuck on these forever
>>139138462
>起こる
>okoru
>occur
>>139138462
It's only painful for the first thousand or so cards then it gets a lot better i swear
>>139138462
If you've watched more than 5 anime you should easily be able to picture your waifu saying アノンくん、朝だよ。起きて！
>>139138518
but anki says 起きる is occur
>>139138636
So is 起こる.
>>139138518
>>139138636
No wait it says 起きる is occur and anotehr 起きる card is get up/get out of bed
What the fuck, I literally can't tell them apart from the front of the card. How the fuck am I supposed to know without context?
>>139138743
>I literally can't tell them apart from the front of the card.
...That's because the front of the card is the exact same. You're supposed to learn both meanings.
>>139138816
So when I see the card I have to think "get up, wake up, happen or occur"? That's fucking stupid.
>>139138743
>How the fuck am I supposed to know without context?
You can't. I just deleted one of them and put both definitions on another because it's retarded otherwise.
>>139138876
You could always suspend one
Once you start reading it you'll see it 10 times per day anyway
>Correct answers on mature cards: 62/63 (98.4%)
>>139138876
"Get up" and "wake up" are pretty much synonyms, so are "happen" and "occur". But yes.
>mature cards
how do you translate this to Japanese?
>deck is called core6k
>doesn't have 6000 cards
>>139138743
There are downsides to anki too.
In my opinion the difference is not important enough for you to be losing sleep over it when you're just starting to learn vocab.
I think trying to get perfect anki scores is the same error people make who spend way too much time in grammar books trying to perfect their encyclopedic knowledge.
起 is お in all those examples, so even if you mix them up now who cares? The goal is to get to the point where you can read without a dictionary as fast as possible. Then you'll have all the context you need to separate them.
>>139139058
大人カード
>>139138630
Not him but this helps, thanksmore?
>>139138462
>>139138743
Also I think the core decks were actually production decks originally, so the back of the card was supposed to be the front. They just flipped it and changed the yellow background to black.
>>139139068
Yeah we should rename it Core 5.999k
>>139139183
>yellow background
I remember using a deck a couple years ago that had a yellow background. It was fucking painful, glad it's black now.
>神官
How does one deal with words like this that have 4 or 5 different readings?
>>139139293
>神官
Literally search 神官の読み方 and get your answer in 5 seconds
>>139139293
does that have the other readings apart from しんかん？
>>139139293
Unless there's some indicator in the context or whatever that tells me what it's supposed to be then I just go with whichever reading gives pronunciations to the kanji that match the pronunciations I already know. Otherwise I just go with whatever is listed first in rikai.
If you were really asking about whether we should memorize all of them or just one, then I'd personally say just one.
>>139139293
I pick the ones I like unless there's furigana to tell me otherwise.
>>139139465
Yeah, it's an old ass word describing old ass profession, so I think kunyomi reading fits it better.
>understand a word heard for the first time from its composition
>correctly guess the reading of a word
I can learn Japanese.
>>139139985
めでたいめでたい
how can I remember all the meanings of 生
>>139140105
There's only one meaning you need to remember and both of us know what it is
>>139140105
exposure.
>>139140206
>without condom
>>139140206
The beer one?
Need some help with understanding text. It is from 「テーマ別」中級から学ぶ日本語.
子供が小学校で英語の勉強を始めた。
私は、英語が話せるようになってくれるといいなと思ったり、難しくて、嫌いになったらこまるなと心配したりしていた。
それでも、親が口を出して、子供にいやがられてはいけないと思って、「今日は何を勉強したの」とたずねられないでいた。
Help, please!!
friendly reminder
>>139140710
How is anyone supposed to help you
Do you actually expect someone to translate it for you or something
At least put in the minimum amount of effort and try and figure out which part you don't understand
>>139140710
>can read everything
>can't understand shit
Time to hit the grammar textbooks.
>>139140977
>Do you actually expect someone to translate it for you or something
Well, yes.
>At least put in the minimum amount of effort and try and figure out which part you don't understand
それでも、親が口を出して、子供にいやがられてはいけないと思って、「今日は何を勉強したの」とたずねられないでいた。
This part in particular.
>「今日は何を勉強したの」とたずねられないでいた
Why is there a negative form?
>>139141122
Because 子供にいやがられてはいけないと思って
Learning nippongo was all worth it.
>read Tae kim and Japanese the Manga Way
>can hardly remember anything
Guess I'll just look up everything with Rikaichan as I come across it until I memorize it.
Kyoukai no kanata used to be in the CoR, didn't it?
>>139141275
Get one of those TK example sentence anki decks. It sticks way better that way.
>絞る
>縛る
I don't know why I have such an issue mixing the readings of these up. They don't even look that similar.
>>139141205
"And yet, parents were chiming in, thinking that kids can't hate it (english language), they (parents) were NOT asking "What did you learn today?"
I am pretty sure I am wrong.
>>139141835
The parents were unable to ask "what did you learn today" for fear that if they chimed in it might cause the kids to dislike it
>>139142104
Holy shit, it all makes sense now. Thanks.
Passive/Potential is like a puzzle sometimes.
>>139139085
That isn't a downside to Anki, but the way the Core cards are set up...
Anyone know what that ったりーな is meant to be?
>>139141481
Assuming you use one yourself, do you focus on the grammar and don't care if you remember the words wrong? Or do you already know all the words used there anyway?
>>139142643
Assuming ベイベ means baby, it means "trying"
So I assume she is talking about trying to get pregnant?
>>139142704
I mined the words separately, but I wouldn't say that it's a huge deal if you happen to forget them, as long as you remember the grammar.
>>139142808
Nah, not even H, they're just walking down the street carrying bags, that's the first line, maybe it's cut off from a word I guess, coming in in medias res?
今日も大うんこしちゃったよ
お前も便通やった？
tfw namasensei is kill
>>139142643
足りない
>>139143137
>This channel is undergoing maintenance and will return in a few months. I need to convert the country of my account. Currently Google is holding thousands of dollars from me because of this. When this issue is resolved, I will reskin the channel and all content will be unlocked.
Fuck he makes a lot of money from his drunken ramblings
>>139143160
>>139142808
>>139142643
Ah, think I got it
>神奈川の言葉
>最初の一音を発音しない傾向がある。「かったるいな」→「ったりーな」
>>139143409
those crazy kanagawans you never know what theyre saying
What do you guys think of the みんなの日本語 book series? Has anyone tried them?
>>139143137
Thank god I downloaded all of PIIYM before he went down.
>>139143409
>>139143652
Not really a kanagawa thing its just a thing
>>139143798
It's whatever. Just something Japanese classes use and spend a year or two going through.
Re-uploaded epubs of KonoSuba, KonoSuba spinoff, and No Game No Life. Someone else can re-up the contents of the zips to mega folders and submit to feedback if they want. They aren't in the LN collections (unless I missed them).
この素晴らしい世界に祝福を！
Vol 1-8
https://u.pomf.is/rwjrge.zip
この素晴らしい世界に祝福を！スピンオフ
Vol 1-3
https://u.pomf.is/qqcybe.zip
ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Vol 1-7
https://u.pomf.is/iuhmhv.zip
>>139141541
縛 is used in 縛り which is a very important word
>>139132731
Screw you, Amane best girl.
>do something other than study japanese
>feel like absolute shit until I get back to studying
Do you guys do anything other than study/read japanese in your spare time?
>>139145583
Yes, that's why I have daily goals.
>>139145583
I wonder if not studying will mean I'll just read more or give up once I reach fluency.
>>139145583
彼女とセックスするやで
おはようあのんくん
日一日
さくらが
つぎつぎと
さいていくよ
蝕む
Gotten love some of these super useful words
>>139146826
>彼女
>not 手
sure mate
>>139141481
Got a particular recommendation?
>>139146920
thats your life not mine. well ok i still tug my shit but its not like were going steady
>>139125191
>kanji for "finger" doesn't have "hand" in it
Dekinai.
>>139147185
>Dekinai
出来ない
>study radical
>it looks different when used on kanji
Fuck you all.
you ever think about how the 出来ない meme programs people to fail from the start? if the meme was 出来る i wonder how the world would change
>>139146998
I made my own as I went through the book, so nah.
>>139144745
Thanks.
>>139126034
>ゐ
I spent a good amount of time wondering what the fuck that was and now I fear I've crammed more useless knowledge into my mind.
>>139147373
Lying's bad anon
>>139147373
Memes aren't real.
>>139147373
When you're told you can't do something you're meant to say "fuck you I can do it, watch me" rather than "y-yeah you're right"
if you're too mentally weak to take some tough love then you should be thankful you've lived this far, the world would have been far too unkind for you up until recently.
>>139147293
Radicals have like 4 variations each, which would've been included in any good radicals deck.
>>139147579
yeah ok but theres people who straight up state their difficulty and then follow it with 出来ない meme
they literally believe they cant do it
>>139147592
Thanks for reminding me of the cringe, asshole.
>>139147592
I can' do it!
>>139145583
Yes, I waste time and do nothing most of the day. I wish I could make myself do more Japanese, but I think Anki reps and a little reading is the limit of my self-discipline.
>>139147638
It's just a meme man, relax
>>139147430
ゐゐ話兄貴
>>139138131
Didn't a new light novel just come out. We could get a season 2. I think they are on 8 and season 1 was 4.
>>139147638
Not without BASEBALL, NEWSPAPERS, and EXERCISE they can't! And especially not without a membership at LingQ!
>>139149479
I didn't mind this guy before I came here but seeing him in meme form really sickens me
How much time do you guys spend on your respective decks? I feel like I spend too much time on vocab, I just have a habit of writing the word down several times so a single review can take an hour.
>>139149995
>writing the word down several times
I can barely write half the kana.
>>139149995
When you say "single review" what do you mean? Because it usually takes me around an hour to go through 50 new cards and my reps every day.
>>139150086me too high5
>>139149479
>tfw can't fit a pull-up bar in my doorframe
I truly 出来ない until I move to nihon and transform into a fit young yellowskin.
>>139148081
>Anki reps and a little reading is the limit of my self-discipline
I recently got over this hurdle myself. Now I'm in the opposite boat, I need to use discipline to not read at the expense of all the other stuff I'm supposed to be doing (School).
>>139147638
She just has a domination fetish.
If you ignore her abuse and show her who's boss by learning Japanese she'll probably sleep with you
>意地でも店をｘｘｘさせる方法
Does anyone know what the Kanji I'm missing are?
>>139151105
This is why you learn stroke order
>>139151105
This is why you learn radicals
>Someone posted this a couple threads back, it appears to be a recent version of the DoJG deck.
>https://mega.nz/#!elIAFB7Y!EdotWUqLZYKParHzRW1ol-2hBEAE42r8Y0HI_ap1gFk
>If anyone has a backup for all of the note images (the deck won't have all of them since some cards have text instead), the version of the deck without media, and the most recent version of the PDF index and wants to upload them and this into one mega link to restore it to how it was before, do that and submit it.
DoJG note images (including ones that aren't in the deck for concepts that have been converted to text)
https://u.pomf.is/didnzz.zip
DoJG deck no media version (of the one currently on the CoR for low file size)
https://u.pomf.is/kdqykc.apkg
Original filename: DoJGnomedia
Most recent DoJG index PDF
https://u.pomf.is/jggpbj.pdf
Original filename: 日本語文法辞典全巻.pdf
If someone wants to re-upload the deck in that mega link and the above stuff into one mega folder (the concepts unzipped into 3 sub-folders obviously)
Same with re-uploading >>139144745 to mega. I don't have an account or a VPN.
All right, boys. Who else is going to pull an all-nighter tonight to study Japanese?
>>139151221
>>139151191
>>139151190
Don't bully him, it looked like 3 kanji 敏糸盛 to me also. At first anyway.
>>139151191
Fuck, it's two Kanji? I thought the whole time it's three, with the first one being two separate Kanji. No wonder I couldn't find shit.
Very much appreciated. Thank you.
>>139151327
I'm pulling all nighter anyway since I'm on a graveyard shift so might as well learn some nip during that time.
GODAN VERBS SHOULD BE OUTLAWED
>>139151226
I don't even know which version of the DoJG deck I have. What was changed in the latest autistic revision?
>>139151226
I can upload them. Thanks.
>>139151422
It's easy m8. Take なる for example. We conjugate it to its masu-stem: なり. Then we attach て: なりて. Then we go through a few centuries worth of phonetic change: なって. Easy!
>>139151435
Labeling added to example sentences and images of the notes/related expressions sections were added to the bottom of the cards. And some controversial styling and two card layouts.
>>139151422
don't worry about the verb types
>>139151666
I don't, it's just that godan verbs have retarded arbitrary conjugations. See: >>139151568
There's a new series called "青春オカルティーン！". Literally it would mean 'Youth Occulteen' (the last two words being merged), but is the author here aiming for something else? Because this sound fucking retarded.
>>139151666
the fuck do you mean? You have to know the tpyes in order to know what shit to add to them to make them negative or past tense right? is this ameme?
>>139151809
Sounds about right
hello /djt/
I just started reading yotsuba and I ran across a sentence that I couldn't understand it's
どこってそりゃおまえ
the most I could understand was "here that's you"
>>139151856
Vous êtes un mémé
>>139151809
Young should be a better translation
"Young Occulteen"
>>139151941
>I tried to use Rikaichan to read that
fuck you frog piece of shit cunt
>>139151856
you'll get used to how verbs are conjugated through reading. you don't need to spend your time memorizing verb types.
>>139151923
I don't even know if I should answer questions like this anymore since apparently there's some faggot who copy-pastes old djt questions in here randomly thinking he's making the thread better.
>>139151923
Don't you have that big Yotsuba pack? It has explanations of very line as far as I remember
>>139151992
kek
I'm learning French alongside Japanese.Sometimes I think of killing myself.
>>139152033
Or you could just, you know, drop french
because why the fuck would you want to know french anyway?
But whatever. Suicide is a good option too.
>>139152033
I'm always tempted to learn something like French too because it sounds so much easier than Japanese just because I can read the letters.Me too brother, がんばって
>>139152012
It's also just a bad question in general considering it's a highly contextual sentence and he didn't post the page
>>139152033
Same here except add Italian to that. Thank god they're essentially the same language.
What's a non-VN game that I can play on a low end computer that will require me to read a lot of Japanese?
>>139151923
That's more like 2 sentence fragments. どこって and そりゃおまえ
>>139152012
I don't think he was telling the truth, I think he's just trying to make us paranoid that every question from now on is him. But if you like you can just google the question to see if it's pasted from somewhere else.
Is it a waste of time to learn the kanji for する, これ, いる, etc.?
>>139152012
>I don't even know if I should answer questions like this anymore since apparently there's some faggot who copy-pastes old djt questions in here randomly thinking he's making the thread better.
I assure you that I'm not that anonyou can trust me
>>139152029
yes but it only defines the vocabulary.
>>139152139
>It's also just a bad question in general considering it's a highly contextual sentence and he didn't post the page
sorry anon I'm a bit of a retard
>>139152327
thanks anon
>>139152387
No
>これ, いる
Definitely no
>>139152387
By themselves yes, learn them if you come across them.
>>139152412
>>139152417
Alright, thanks.
Also, I'm curious. Is there any particular reason they fell out of use?
>>139152327
More like 3 sentence fragments
>>139152405
何処って
それは・・・
お前・・・
>Where? That's...you...
Basically just the type of reaction you have when someone asks a dumb question
>>139152577
thanks man you were incredibly helpful
What do the Japanese call visual novles? As in, for us, both all ages games and 18+ are VNs, but doesn't eroge only apply to 18+ games? Is there a wider category that encompasses both or is the eroge label used with that meaning regardless of whether h-scenes are present?
>>139153573
They don't call anything "visual novels"
ADV/adventure game would be the more general term for visual novels. If it is something like Rance or Kamidori that has a lot of gameplay, they just call it by the genre of game (SLG)
>>139153710
Yeah, I know they don't, the question was what do they call the things we call visual novels.
But thank you for answering So they generally just call it ADV then? I actually thought that stood for the type of text display as per the vndb tag's definition.
>>139152012
>Getting outplayed by an autist
It's been out for a few days now for those that didn't know. What better way to practice your reading than Smug Train Simulator 2016?
>>139154073
>png
I'm an idiot, sorry.
>>139153904
The ones with no choices at all are ノベルゲーム, the branching ones are ADV.
>>139153904
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%89%E3%83%99%E3%83%B3%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0
>>139154073
I'm tempted to try it but all of the train vocab pop up dictionary stuff / info dumps looks intimidating so I'd rather wait until I can handle that better without it ruining my enjoyment.
>>139154073
I give no shits about either lolis and trains, so no thanks.Sen no hatou when ;_;
>>139154176
Why not rip the script and make an anki deck out of the word frequency list?
>>139154148
I see, thank you.
>>139154163
Thank you for the link too. This should answer most of my questions.
>>139154073
wtf she is so oddly small you could pretty much fit her in two hands, is this just a wierd angle or what?
>機嫌
This makes no sense.
>>139154373She's a "wind-up doll". I'm not far enough in to be sure but I heard she can take a more human-esque form somehow, but you first meet her as a "doll".
Someone who's further in could maybe give more details.
>>139154570
Well that's fucking wierd. I'm a little more interested in it now though.
How the fuck are some people doing 30 to 50 new cards per day
Are you using larger intervals, or do you just review 500 cards per day?
How many new words a day do you guys have anki set to?
Am I being a major puss for changing it from 20 to 10?
>>139155031
>Am I being a major puss for changing it from 20 to 10?
I don't know your circumstances, but yea, honestly you are
>>139154929
>>139155031
You're not the spammer, are you?
>>139155218
Don't worry, anon. The spammer is gone. I promise he won't hurt you anymore.
rolling eyes
>>139154929
>or do you just review 500 cards per day?
800 cards today, mate.
Is my understanding correct?
マウスのＥＳ細胞に特別なたんぱく質を入れて、ゼリーのような物の中で育てました。２か月あとに、３ｍｍぐらいの大きさの風船のような物ができて、中には胃と同じ液体を出す細胞などができていました。
They injected the ES cells with a special protien,
and in rasied them in a jelly substance. 2 months
later, 3mm balloonlike objects were made, and inside
of these objects cells that excrete the same fluid as stomach cells.
>>139154929
I reviewed 616 today and have 529 to review tomorrow, 50 cards a day.
>>139155537
A bit awkwardly worded perhaps, but other than that you're correct.
>>139147373
Can the new meme be 信じる?
How many new words do you guys get through in a day?
I read that Anki sets a default at 20 because that's the max we can retain, is that true?
>>139147638
>they literally believe they cant do it
出来ない。
>>139155650
The fuck
How long does that take you
Anyone else reading Aiura? Finding it extremely enjoyable so far. Only gripe is that the scans I have are pretty low-res, so figuring out complex kanji is a bit tedious.
Saki best girl.
>>139155951
Usually a hour, but weekends/holidays make me way more prone to slacking when it comes to reps.
>>139156026
>72.5% correct rate
Anon.
>>139154644
Yeah they can take this form when the need arises.
>>139156081
It can't be helped.
>>139156081I-is that bad? I generally get < 50% in a day
>>139156026
>>139156156
you guys dont know SHIT
>>139156081
That's fine for non-mined words. Mature correct rate is what matters
>>139156156
Supposedly the ideal is getting about 80% overall and 90%+ on your mature cards. If you're getting low retention rates you might want to do fewer new cards a day, or be more lenient about hitting hard over again. But any at any retention rate you're still learning something.
>>139156281
>non-mined
That guy is reviewing >600 cards a day. If he's not mining his own words at this point he's doing himself even more of a disservice.
>>139152029
>big Yotsuba pack
Is this the same pack found in the resources section of the guide?
How long did it take you guys to get your first 2k words down? Also you guys recommend doing the non-optimized 2k/6k deck on top of the optimized deck?
>>139156668
>Also you guys recommend doing the non-optimized 2k/6k deck on top of the optimized deck?
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard.
>>139156284
>or be more lenient about hitting hard over again
I often feel that I do well, remembering cards fairly often, but then near the end when I'm on the last like 20 cards for the day I can't remember shit and I end up stuck on cards for 30+ minutes to the point where Anki will show me a card, I'll fail it, it shows me another card, I fail it, then it shows me them straight away again trying really hard to just get me to press Good and move on with my life.
Does this happen to anyone else? I do fine for a lot of it then get stuck in a nearly endless loop of bad bad bad bad bad good good bad bad bad
>>139156770
Yes, except it happens at the last 150~100 words.
>>139156770
The reason that happens is because the cards you're left with at the end are the ones you've already pressed "again" on earlier.
>>139156668
Japanese: the Manga Way -> optimized core 2k/6k -> Tae Kim -> unoptimized core 2k/6k
worked well for me
>>139157012
I almost replied seriously to this and then I realized what you were doing.
Just started core alongside KD. Should I bother adding the individual kanji for each vocab (such as what makes up 根本), or will that end up not mattering/not being consistent at all?
Has KanjiTomo stopped working for anyone else? Reinstall did not work
