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Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga? Soon it will be the only way to experience your hobby as industry leaders get serious with takedowns, arrests and lawsuits. Voluntary shutdowns are soon to become commonplace as well as seen with Imperial and RHS. Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em.
>>133703801
Because the fans do them better and |>for free which is ridiculous.
My only real issue is I need subs to like 4 different places to get everything.
>>133703836
>the fans do them better
This is a meme. Stop it.
Anime is for birds
If this ever becomes the case then I'll just stop watching.
>>133703801
>Soon it will be the only way to experience your hobby as industry leaders get serious with takedowns, arrests and lawsuits.
yes I'm sure the japs are extremely upset that some sweaty gaijin is doing nonprofit, amateur translations of their manga and uploading it for westerners
>>133703889
they do it better and faster the vast, vast majority of the time.
>Soon it will be the only way
People have said that about every kind of media in existence. Pirates always find a way.
>>133703801
Spoken like a true redcoat.
Go back to your shithole of a country, lobster.
I don't think they're stupid enough to kill their market like that.
You're absolutely right OP. I remember back when Napster got shut down and it put an end to all online music piracy. The end is truly nigh.
>>133703801
Ye sure, just like they stopped piratebay and torrenting in general right? This shit will never stop
>>133703977
>>133703934
Worst case scenario, we might have to move to the deep web. But online piracy will always be around.
>>133703932
Complementary nature of fansubs is its only merit. The quality of the product can be heavily debated.
>>133704058
You're not going to have to move to the deep web to pirate anime/manga. That's ridiculous.
>>133704085
>speed
oh yeah, hows yenpress/viz/whatever else in the speed department? How well do they translate? slow as dogshit and so amateur they can't stick to a type of honorific is what.
>>133704058
If manga moves to deep web, how deep would you have to go for CP?
>>133704181
Can you not read
>worst case scenario
Of course such a scenario is ridiculous. At this current point in time, no one cares enough to put in so much effort to eradicate anime and manga piracy.
>people seriously believe that pirating will ever disappear from the internet
There is nothing they can't do to stop it.
>implying the American government has time to worry about chinese cartoons.
They're far too busy with black people and what bathroom a tranny gets to use.
>>133703801
most of /a/ are cheapskates rationalizing it with "fans does it better" even they can't even understand japanese
Where the fuck are the older episodes of anige eleven?
>>133703801
The majority of /a/ are simply cheap bastards, myself included. Nothing more, nothing less.
>>133703801
Because Daisuke only uploads 480p video, they can fuck off.
>>133704365
More like the majority of the internet. Everyone piraate even normalfags.
>cheapskates
shill detected
>>133704365
I'm sure if subbed anime aired on basic cable, more westerners would watch it.
Asians pirate a ton of western media too anyway, so who cares.
>>133703801
>Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga?
Because there's a free alternative and if I'm really autistic enough about supporting studios and anime I like, I'd just buy the BDs. There's literally no reason to pay for these shitty services.
Give me reasons why people should pirate instead of legal stream. I'm making a video about why english companies lie just to make a buck.
>>133703801
Because I don't want to pay for it?
>>133704468
>translations are slow as dogshit
>Translations vary in quality the same as fansubs
>most of the money goes to the distributor rather than the studio/mangaka
>regularly shaft partially-completed stories because they didnt sell fifty million copies, but then sue the bejeesus out of anyone the catch translating further
>>133704497
/thread
>people are still using the entertainment industry's smear-tactic word for file-sharing
I can't speak for anime, but if there was a paid, legal manga translating subscription service that was timely I'd be all over it.
The amount of manga I have backlogged because the scan group imploded is retarded. Crunchy started some of it, and their app is pretty good, but the selection isn't that good.
>>133704058
>we might have to move to the deep web
Fan translators arent going to do it if the only people who'll read it and suck their epeen are those who can use the deep web
>>133704525
>Translations vary in quality the same as fansubs
These is the fundamental problem with legal translations. I was thinking about getting One Punch Man, but then I see some of the translations. I legitimately though it was a joke sub.
>>133703801
Honestly, the third parties dealing with anime and manga translations are shit and are never any better than fansubs, not to mention dubs are plain awful 99% of the time.
I'd rather we be given the option of free, or a better product (i.e. extras that come with box sets) but those are rarely offered outside of Japan.
>Soon it will be the only way to experience your hobby as industry leaders get serious with takedowns, arrests and lawsuits.
"The Industry" has had that option for literally DECADES and haven't done shit. They lack funds and political standings to do anything about piracy, especially internationally, and there are always ways around their attempted take downs.
We already have networks of completely anonymous international distributers and clients, there's literally no way for them to stop piracy and only the idiot kids that don't have money anyway will be caught
>>133704647
>miss nee-san (sister)
honestly, the average fansub is usually better quality, becuase it is made in mind of actual fans who don't need to be treated like actual retards by the subber.
>>133703801
Bad translations or bad localizations
Shit typesetting.
No Karaoke.
Usually bad bitrate as well.
Basically, fansubbers did it better three years ago. And they'd be acceptable today if they didn't do the typesetting so lazily.
Why is it an issue?
Even if the absolute worst comes to pass people will still just rip and torrent the HorribleSubs rips.
Piracy will always stick around, the more digital we become the easier it is to pirate.
>>133703801
I wouldn't mind paying for subscriptions if they were available where I live, but most of the time, the series I do follow are niche as hell, and have been going for long enough that it would take too long for official translations to catch up.
>>133704611
Considering the amount of illegal and immoral content flooding anime and manga, they might be forced to. I mean, loli alone is enough to get you arrested in most First World countries. Now incest, hate speech, and rape.
>>133703801
I like daisuki because it is actually owned and operated by the anime studios. Everyone else is owned by Jews.
>>133703801
I think they're great. Let wageslaves keep companies like CR in business while we get the ripped subs for free.
The downside is that I don't really see the love or passion that used to be in the sub community. Yeah "TL note: LOL XD" was dumb, but it was nice to know that everyone was human. Now it feels like subs are just dispensed out of a machine. I'm probably just an overly sentimental Luddite though.
>>133704813
>any country that does not respect FREEDOMS and is not US of A
>first world
go fuck yourself Ahmed
>>133703801
>Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em.
This isn't what Kamina taught us.
>>133704902
Good, Kamina was a faggot.
>>133704826
Too bad the video quality sucks balls and the translations are dodgy as fuck
>>133704826
b-but muh downloads are superior to streaming
Let's face it, if anime were free to download in TV quality with decent subtitles, we wouldn't need file-sharing unless it was region-locked
>>133704860
>but it was nice to know that everyone was human
The problem was that we had to deal with the egos of humans, fuck fansubbers
>>133703801
I want to test/try it before buying it.
It isn't a consumable so it's okay, no one will lose anything even if I don't bought it.
>>133703889
What do even define a meme as? Anything you disagree with? He's also right, the only reason official subs now are even remotely good is because they're competing with fansubs. Take the fansubs away and they'll just stop trying again.
>>133704930
>Kamina was a faggot.
>>133703801
>Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga
Downloading rips has literally no competition right now, being free, better quality audio and video, and with the same, if not better, subtitles.
No one wants an inferior product, even if it's free.
>>133703801
There are no legal options for probably ninety-five percent of my manga, and even for the ones that have legal options, why would I pay for something I can get for free?
>voluntary shutdowns
>RHS
Are you retarded? Their raw provider was arrested.
Well, there's pretty much Funi, Daisuki, and Crunchyroll.
Funi is a complete shitshow. Bad translations, bad bitrate, fucked up colors, etc.
Daisuki, even in 1080p, has simply too low of a bitrate to be good. The ads, while mild, aren't blockable or avoidable, and come from a pool of ads of 3. Their website is unstable as shit. Poor quality translations.
Crunchyroll has almost reached borderline acceptable. Bitrate is good for a streaming service when the site isn't unstable. Has banding issues. Translations are least common denominator tier at times. The money pretty much only goes to middlemen, so I can't even feel morally superior. I do like that they seem to have made no effort to stop youtube-dl from working though.
They're all shit, but nothing makes me angrier than Funimation getting US exclusive on something.
>>133703801
Because the quality they offer is absolute and complete rubbish, from the ridiculously low sub quality to the piss-poor (often non-existent) typesetting, to the speed of the service (e.g. crunchyroll often air an episode a whole day or even three late because they don't sub per se and actually just get a script to collate to the video), to the quality of the video (funimation is notorious for this: they oversaturate and overbrighten the video for no reason which makes many scenes downright impossible to see, and everything is pretty blinding otherwise).
On top of that, you get ads or you have to pay. While they existed, fansubbers were at least an entire order of magnitude better overall, even excluding price from the equation.
Because it's another of Daiz's schemes
>>133705365
They could have found another autistic anon
We need a Netflix equivalent in the Chinese Cartoons sphere. We thought it would be Crunchyroll, but they failed us. Until then, we pirate to the last man.
>>133705414
Not when the ones caught are ratting out everyone else
>>133705468
Netflix is the Netflix of chinese cartoons, but they suck just as much
>On noes this the end of piracy
OP confirmed for underage scum
>>133705365
It is a voluntary shutdown. They're closing up while they have the option not to because they don't want anyone to come after them.
>>133705468
Anime has enough services as is. Manga doesn't have shit and Light novels somehow have it even worse.
>>133705507
Doesn't Netflix only have shitty dubs anyhow?
>>133703889
It's true though, nice bait post though.
Type setting alone wanes me to fan subs. Funi shit subs with their yellow font color is fucking atrocious.
>>133705575
This. Crunchyroll's Manga library sucks ass. So many series I want translated, but they will never pickup for whatever bullshit reason.
>>133705585
Dubscheck emand subs
>>133705666
Well, fuck
Crunchyroll and friends will only start winning when they have original content.
>>133705666
Hail satan
Support crunchyroll by reading their manga!
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=756814
>>133705365
>Red hawk Scans
More like Yellow Chicken Scans
>>133703801
>Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em.
Its stuff like that, what makes the world and /a/ so shit. You love something? Then defend it with your life.
>>133703801
I don't give two rats about legal because they have to waste time dubbing that shit. I'm not even going to watch it dubbed, why the hell do I have to pay and support the shills that do a mediocre job dubbing a character? I'd rather just throw money straight at the source.
It's complete BS saying you "support" the series by giving Funi money. That entire conglomerate is made up of those kids who liked Naruto when you were in junior high anyway.
>>133704058
>deep web
No anon we'll take to the dark net that FOX news talks about.
>>133705809
You, I like you.
>>133705881
>They liked Naruto when they were twelve, better not use their business.
Never change, /a/.
>>133703801
I already use it, somewhat.
When I was in school, I had the patience to download and save entire series. Now that I'm working a shit job, I'm too tired and lazy to download things when I come back home at night unless it's my absolute top show for the season.
So I just stream, and sometimes even use the legal streams.
>>133705383
Then who's better than CR? Please don't bother mentioning Commie or UTW as we all know no one takes those choices seriously.
>>133706031
I'd like to introduce you to something called an RSS feed.
>>133703801
Fuck you, I like translating. It is my hobby and I take great pride in my work.
Besides, there are a fuck ton of manga that will never ever EVER get officially published in English.
>>133703801
I don't care about legal options.
Funi and CR as individual companies have reason to receive shit. CR was literally a pirate streaming site with shit quality that reformed, and there will always be people that don't care that it reformed.
Funi would release encodes that were simultaneously awful and large, and they also dabbled in spurious copyright trolling with torrentfags.
>>133706043
For what? Video? TV rips, BD rips once they come out. Translation? Depends on the series, but obviously there aren't a lot of choices now.
>>133705666
Netflix shill confirmed!
>>133706180
Indeed.Good luck finding a publisher who wants to release Kodomo no Jikan.
>>133705881
>the shills that do a mediocre job dubbing a character?
Wow, anon, that's just plain rude!
These shills couldn't even match mediocrity if they were given a thousand years to practice!
One thing I like about Crunchyroll is that for all those who questions the content in anime, if it is on Crunchyroll it is legal in North America.
>>133706067
Not the same anon. I tried figuring that RSS torrent shit out and it didn't work.
>>133703801
>Can't fight 'em
Of course you can. Where did you get the idea that you couldn't?
>>133706349
That your fault,not RSS.
>>133706294
You never know, maybe in ten years the political pendulum will swing the other way and we'll get really explicit stuff licensed. We've only been getting pruder recently, and it can't go on forever.
>>133703801
>as industry leaders get serious with takedowns, arrests and lawsuits
If they think they can ever fully eradicate piracy, they are sadly mistaken. Cut off one head, two more shall take its place.
>>133703801
Indifferent about anime. Manga is a no no.
>>133703801
My biggest problem is the stream quality, it lags and stutters when I play 1080p.It's not my internet (200up /200 down) nor my computer
And I also hate having to pay 3 different places to watch all the shows per season.
>>133706430
HAIL HYDRA!
>>133706430
Hail HYDRA
>>133706430
HEIL HYDRA!
>>133706451
Test it with a VPN. It may still be your internet, just that the pipe from the video provider to your ISP is choked instead of the pipe from your ISP to your home. I know I need to do it for Youtube on occasion.
>>133706451
Anime isn't even produced in 1080p, don't bother with it
>>133705809
Thank you Crunchyroll™
>"TL note: LOL XD
You may as well say all books and films should have those in every few sections. Sure, it's funny, but it's also unnecessary shit most people prefer to not see.
Typical, /a/. A bunch of whiners using the age old shitty meme answer of "Fans do it right!" without explaining how. Try being honest and admit illegal alternatives are only an option because of the zero cost for you as the consumer. It's not superior in "quality" or any other aspect. Compare it to music. You can't tell me a subpar MP3 rip is superior to a vinyl purchased from your local brick and mortar. You pay for QA, consistency of delivery and other factors fan groups just can't offer since they aren't compensated.
>>133703801
I wouldn't mind paying for it if it ain't shit. Even more so when it's shitter than what you can get for free. Regardless of physical or digital, if you can generally get something better for free, would you still pay for it? Better yet, wouldn't you feel ripped off for paying in the first place?
>>133705809
Based anon is baed. How often is this updated?
>>133705809
>x - 1.zip
>x - 10.zip
>>133706704
>a vinyl purchased from your local brick and mortar
You almost had me
>giving up
That's exactly what he wants. Evil succeeds when the good do nothing.
>>133706704
Nice one
7/10
>>133706704
I think when it comes to something like translating from one language to another, it's really anyone's game.
Sometimes, the better translator is laid off for a better yes man, other times a fan who actually wants to get up his ass to do something might actually have the educational and cultural background to pull it off better. You'll never really know when it comes to something as subjective as this
>>133706851
This meme is fucking fantastic. Gets me every time.
>>133706704
>shitty meme answer
And I'm sure you're proud of your brick and mortar bullshit metaphor.
>>133706704
>Buying a fuckhuge record that can only be played at home when you can pay a small amount for a streaming service that givers you millions of songs you can play anywhere
Nice try, kid
>>133706704
Who are you responding to? Who's whining in this thread?
>>133706043
>UTW
>existing
They're dead now. However they were better than CR last I checked. Commie on the other hand is mixed bag especially because of their dogged hate against honorifics. But at least their dialogue flows properly most of the time compared to some of the stilted shit I've seen out of CR.
Other options include DDY, Vivid(commie 2.0). GJM also exists and seems ok although I can't say I've heard of them before summer.
Then you have Cthuko who can't sub a show in a timely manner(yatterman, Rolling girls, and GC: Insight still aren't done) to save their lives but at least they're of good quality.
>>133706994
Anon, we all know that if you can't get a show out at the same time as CR, no one's going to give a fuck because we've already downloaded the HS rip.
Friendly reminder that some media companies, including anime copyright holders hire people to post on places like /a/.
>>133706704
Choose a show, choose an episode, watch it on CR, and then watch Leopard. Compare the artifacting.
>>133706810
>>133706855
>>133706978
>>133706985
>>133707028
Bet you autists think digital music is better quality-wise when it isn't. Not even FLAC can beat CDs. Convenience is there, but at the cost of major loss in quality from the original state.
>>133707044
If they can do it within 1-2 days I normally go for the fansub if only because of the complete lack of typesetting in official stuff.
If its Funi I don't even get a choice. They're subs are such dogshit I'm left with no other option than waiting. At least DDY is quick with Noragami usually.
I don't support anime, unless I'm buying a DVD for a series or movie I love. I do however purchase physical manga. I like owning them and not using a screen to ruin my eyes.
>>133707104
>Not even FLAC can beat CDs
>Watching TV rips.
Real niggas wait for BD rips with superior quality.
>>133707132
Luckily Funi hasn't even been subbing that many shows this season. I noticed all the shows i've been watching this season have been CR.
Because the only ones who benefit are the Jews.
>>133707104
You were just bitching >>133706704 about how superior vinyl is and now you're harping on CDs.
>>133707212
Aren't the CR founders a bunch of chinks?
>>133706762
This is the first version. I imagine i'll update every few months/half a year. In the mean time there is horrible scans.
>>133706789
Whats the problem? The series are in individual folders.
>>133703801
When will Daisuki come out with a paid premium service? Once you start working, it becomes trivial to pay a few bucks a month for better selection, high resolution, and no ads.
>>133704468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>133706704
Well, I'm also concerned about how much money actually goes to Japan, and how much the translators make since the ad infested f"ree" streaming sites are now uploading faster and with better quality (As of recently) than the official ones.
>>133703930
I thought japanese people thought that america was just hawaii
When these faggots start releasing shows with the rest of the world in mind, then I'll consider giving them money. Until then it's imports when I feel like it which is rare.
>>133707256
Thank you based anon.
>>133707104
>Convenience is there, but at the cost of major loss in quality from the original state.
>>133707286
Even with your McJob, it's silly to throw away money for an inferior service. The money you spend yearly on a paid service could be used instead to buy figures or physical media
>>133707311
>the ad infested f"ree" streaming sites are now uploading faster and with better quality (As of recently) than the official ones.
This definitely isn't true. How could a free streaming site that gets their translation from someone else have it up faster than the site that does the translation?
>>133703801
eat shit shill
>>133703801
Am I in the wrong if I torrent the currently airing shows but always make sure to buy official merch and BD's of my favourite ones?
>>133707487
No, and if anyone tells you otherwise, don't believe them.
>>133707487
That's literally what you should do anyway, anon.
>>133707535
Fuck off tripfag cancer
>>133703801
what?
i watch horriblesubs.
>>133707487
No that's pretty much what Otaku do in Japan, which is like the core market to begin with. If Japan was catering to casuals they wouldn't have BD boxes so hiked up. You are pretty much conforming to their marketing standards.
>>133707132
Crazy as it may sound, some people actually watch shows that have already completely aired.
>>133705403
Beat me to posting this.
>>133707549
Okay.
>>133707427
CR will upload Naruto in 5h40~m, I can assure you that another site will put it up earlier.
>>133707487
This is how it's supposed to work. Good job supporting the industry anon
>>133707666
If anything were going to have some weird early leak, it would probably be Naruto, but I still don't know how that works. These streaming sites aren't translating it themselves, where do they get it from?
>>133703801
>Piracy
>ever going away
If you sub it they will come
>>133707782
This is the truth my family
>>133707559
No shit sherlock. In that case there isn't even a contest. Fansubs are better 100% of the time. Literally no reason get official stuff.
>>133703801
Main guy from Imperial scanned just said on Reddit that he's going to university and he has no more time for scanlation.
>>133708213
and the guy doing Jojo scans said that the only legal repercussion from Japanese publishers would be them issuing a take down notice to a scanlation group, nothing more.
>>133708213
>underage Redditor quits scanlating shit series
Good.
I wish they would just nuke popular anime streaming sites like kissanime and the rest first. Fuck cancer
>>133708321
There are people who watch anime on YouTube.
Even worse,there are people who read manga on YouTube. Not THATS cancerous.
>>133708278
>Tokyo Ghoul
>shit series
cool beans anon
>>133708410
Oh man, I remember doing that when I was twelve. After 2008 hit they really started shutting it down too, by now there probably isn't even a fraction of english subbed anime episodes. It's all links to shady sites that probably have a million viruses. Or not Spanish subs.
Fuck. Now I'm all nostalgic.
>Daily reminder that fansubs / scanlations are LITERALLY killing the anime/manga industry.
You don't want to deprive future generations of anime/manga, do you, /a/?
>>133708432
If its popular its shit.
SAO and Akame ga Kill exist. Tokyo Ghoul will eventually become as irredeemable as those shows.
>>133703889
Enjoy your banding
>>133704272
Hell.
>>133703801
I don't really care so long as I get my translated subs in either Chinese, Italian or English.
>>133703801
>Piracy
>Dying
the best you can have is people valuing their lives more than translating shit for e-peens
But it's still nowhere near dying for people who has already learn moon
>>133705809
>falling for the honeypot
>>133708608
How about they give us a good alternative instead of being salty cunts.
We are too used to piracy and generally fan works are better.
![[HorribleSubs] Young Black Jack - 07 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_03.37_[2015.11.19_06.01.58].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/84XxE5J.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Young Black Jack - 07 [1080p].mkv snapshot 03.37 [2015.11.19 06.01.58]")
>>133708608
>over 6 million downloads
>>133708888
What are you on about?
>>133704978
>Let's face it, if anime were free to download in TV quality with decent subtitles
That isn't a viable business model, anon.
>>133706704
I kind of agree with this.
It's always weird to see people try to justify piracy. It's piracy and it's free, just admit it and keep pirating.
>>133709078
It's more weird that you people keep seeing things that aren't there.
>>133708993
I would pay for a service that delivers drm-free,well encoded downloads of my favourite animated cave paintings at a acceptable price. This will never happen though.
Didn't bother lurking too far in this, but I still say fan scanlations are what got us stuff like western JoJo releases. It's not the scourge that official sources make it out to be. There just needs to be a healthy balance of both, and sub providers need to get rid of their incompetent tranlsators and shit troll script editors (looking at you, FUNi)
>>133709153
I wouldn't. Anime was meant to be free. Let the crazy otaku finance it
>>133708608
Nah, it got a lot bigger since he 90's. You can talk about 10 to 20 titles in a week nowadays back in the day the only thing you know about Japanese Cartoon are either Sailormoon or Dragonball or maybe some old school robot cartoon depending in which part of the world you live.
>>133704826
>>133704950
>Too bad the video quality sucks balls and the translations are dodgy as fuck
wtf...
Daisuki is the bestest out there!
Also, you are not setting up your toaster right if you don't enable de-banding at high mode using KCP's madvr.
Do what I say aboveassuming that you download [horriblesubs] with content from daisukiand you can enjoy near bluray quality levels.
>>133703801
>What's the best way to promote your business?
>Reaching the customers directly.
Why isn't this thread deleted?
>>133709719
>Near bluray quality
I hate to break it to you but even with debanding on high the stream quality still isn't great.
>>133703905
wwouldnt it be so fucked up if guns were real
>>133703801
Naisu shillu desu ne.
>>133708656
TG should have just ended with the main series, cliffhanger notwithstanding.
:Re has been absolute shit and I doubt it can redeem itself now.
>>133703801
>Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga?
Usually because they're paid for, or behind ads.
Aside from that, it's often the low quality, or other ethical reasons.
On the technical side, there use to be the issue of bitrate, but that's no longer a problem. But even now, Flash has a shitty decoder, and browsers aren't really designed to play video smoothly. It's only in the last couple years that browsers have built-in video players, as part of HTML 5. And to my knowledge, all implementations of this suck as of right now, and don't give the sort of quality that an optimized video player gives.
But this is just a tiny excuse, considering most people won't even notice the quality drop, and most people already have Flash, because of how widely used it is.
When it comes to the translation work itself, there are bigger issues people might dislike about the legal options.
For one, commitment to the work itself.
A true fan of the series, translating a work into their own language wants to make sure they get everything right. There are shitty translators, sure, but there are those who want to also make sure people understand references, and be able to accurately get what's being said. Often, word-of-god might reveal some kind of information that's more useful to a translation, like how Japanese like to use English words a lot, but often write them in Katakana.
A fan-translator will change their translation to what the author intended, either if the author said it himself, or if an anime comes out that shows it.
Log Horizon comes to mind; there was a spell in the game, that the anime and fan-translators called "Thorn Bind Hostage", which was a spell that used vines covered in thorns (as the name suggests) to bind a target. Yen Press went with "Sewn-Bind Hostage", because it just sounds similar to the Katakana. The editor nor translator watched the anime.
Anime subs (and dubs even) sometimes have the same issue
But it's really just cause money and ads
>true fan of the series, translating a work into their own language wants to make sure they get everything right. There are shitty translators, sure, but there are those who want to also make sure people understand references, and be able to accurately get what's being said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEXurYaIHao
I'm glad I'm a casual with a job. $12 a month gives me all the anime I want on Hulu with no ads on multiple device and everything is HD except old shit. They also got a decent selection of 80s and 90s anime.
Buy hey FREE is better and fuck the system rjght?
>>133703801
That service is not available in Japan even though it provides Japanese anime..
So 大嫌い.net.
>>133710394
>Buy hey FREE is better and fuck the system rjght?
Exactly. Why pay $6-12 a month on a streaming service, when I can download my chinese cartoons for free, and keep the video for as long as my HDD/SSD holds out.
>>133703801
For me the biggest thing is DRM and mandatory streaming. If I can download a good quality copy without any DRM for a reasonable price, then I'll buy it. But I don't want the content I paid for to be permanently tied to the solvency, licensing status, and whims of the distributor. It was the same thing with music. Now that there's no DRM, I buy everything from iTunes or Amazon MP3.
>>133710394
>get voucher for food, electricity, and early retirement
>donate it to Hulu
I don't understand.
>>133708528
>mfw I watched over 150 episodes of keroro gunso split into three parts per episode AND at least three of its movies on YouTube
Muh nostalgia, holy shit
>>133710394
>being a casual
That's the problem. Call me back when I can get stuff like GS Mikami or Legend of the Brave Da Garn without searching like a total wreck for years.
I'd gladly pay to watch anime, but today's offers are too fucking bad.
>Crunchyroll's streaming service is really bad. If you're not american ~50% of all the shows are unavailible for you.
>Buying BD's and DVD's costs so much
>Netflix is shitty when it comes to anime
I wish there was some place where you could "buy" an anime digitally, for about 10$ per, add it to your library, rewatch whenever you liked. Subscribe to airing anime for the same price, and get the updates.
>>133710394
>and everything is HD
>>133708608
It's ironic they'll translate their poster but almost none of the actual content they don't want other people to translate.
>>133708410
>>133708528I'm twenty and did this sometimes until about two years ago.
>>133710672
I watched anime on YT until about 5 years ago I won't judge on that, but reading manga on YT always seemed like going one step beyond acceptable.
>>133710390
Just another reason to avoid official translations.
Also,
>watching dubs
They're taking fan-subbers and scanlators and giving you the exact same shit and charging you for it. Yes, they could use professionals, but it costs too much money and the audience appears to not care.
Also, the series scanlators already cover are mostly shit. The series that these guys will pick are going to be even worse, since they're directly profiteering.
If they even stopped 70% JPG and piss-poor typesetting, maybe I could drop some money. The one thing that most scanlators obsess about is typesetting, and the translations are going to be passable either way. Although, I think CR has more fucking critical errors than scanlators. At least scanlators get corrections and get shit on by fans to change shit due to autism. Or someone will perpetuate the real translation if it's that bad.
>>133710717
Oh, I never read manga on Youtube. Even when I was fourteen that made no sense to me.
>>133703801
>anime
Give downloads, no streaming.
>manga
Give paper, no runes.
>>133703801
>streams
>shit quality
>shit subs
>delayed as fuck
>costs money
Of course the europoors will get fucked but here in America I've downloaded at least 30-40TB worth of shit over time, including anime/manga/weeaboo related stuff and haven't even gotten a notice from a single ISP (have gone through 4 different ones.)
Torrenting will never die. And if you think you're a moralfag and you think they'll crack down, you are dead wrong. The law only targets major uploaders anyways. The government has more important problems. They don't give a fuck about some jap anime bullshit.
"Soon" Nah fuck off back to /x/ with your tinfoil hat bullshit.
>>133710394
>Buy hey FREE is better
actually, in this case, yes. just because something is more expensive doesn't mean its better
>>133710394
>Buy hey FREE is better
You got this right buddy.
>>133705809
Now finally I can read Donyatsu
>>133710810
>the audience appears to not care.
The issue here is that they were taught to do that. Over the years, western anime and manga companies have been implementing this "this is the best you're gonna get" ideology, and people are ok with it.
>>133710930
I've only heard of people getting in trouble in Germany.
The rest of Euope barely cares about US content.
I don't know about the adaptations in english, but in my country the official translations of manga are very good, I'd pick them over the fanmade ones anytime. Also, I enjoy having a physical collection of manga.
That being said, it would suck if they took down all the fanmade stuff, I don't read scans very often but eh, I can't buy everything (and not everything gets an adaptation), also sometimes I read a few chapter of a series before deciding to put my money in.
As for anime, I never buy anything, it's too fucking expensive and just a minor fraction gets adapted, so it'd piss me off a lot.
By the way, are the adaptations so bad in english?
>>133711049
Wait, has CR had Donyatsu this whole time? I thought no one was scanning it at all.
>>133703801
Nigga, this shit happens every fucking year since the late 2000s, some "scary" shit happens for like 2 weeks, then it passes. And all gets forgotten like it never happened, what the fuck ever.
>>133711130
I'm fairly sure that someone even dumped all of it when cr picked it up months ago.
I can only speak for the manga side of things, but to be fair, legit publishers are the only ones that get the original pages and don't have redrawn panels (most of the time). Not to mention shit RAWs and scanning artifacts are reasons to actually support official products if nothing else.
It's shame that meme-translations still happen from the actual publishers, but do note that scan group translators don't always actually know what they're doing - I've seen quite a few supposed translators botch extremely simple lines, ending up with them using "google translate assisted" translations which are wildly wrong and then shoehorned to fit into the context.
>>133711100
More likely to be bad than good. See >>133710287's Log Horizon example and >>133710390 in particular. As a personal example, I was going through the Viz rips for One Piece and they translated "okama way" as "oh come my way", which makes absolutely no sense.
>>133711206
I know this isn't the first time something like this has happened, but TPP does seem like it'll be a tad more serious than, say, SOPA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be7NINczZP0
I actually made a video on this issue recently.
Because Daisuki is dogshit and sometimes refused to play the video.
>>133711298
>[Subscribed]
>>133711298
I wish the advertising report still existed.
>>133711316
Thanks anon, it's always good to see supporters!
>>133711274
>"okama way" as "oh come my way", which makes absolutely no sense.
Sure it does, Okama Way sounds like Oh come my way and the translator had a brainfart and heard that
>>133711213
And nothing has been added since.
>>133703801
Give it five years, and most of /a/ WILL like (which is to say, use) legal options for their Chinese multimedia. Not because most of the anons in this thread will have changed their minds (although some will), but because the board's user base will have almost completely cycled in people for whom the convenience and affordability of streaming services is not only normal, but natural.
Audiences for anime outside of Japan are being increasingly monetized. And contrary to what a lot of anons here are saying, they are being monetized by Nippon. Cruncyroll and Funimation are making deeper efforts to get in on the ground floor of anime production by way of joining production committees not only because it gives them future options to develop their own content, but because of very, very high third-party licensing fees. Everybody is making money. Effectively ubiquitous adoption of legal consumption platforms is an inevitability.
>>133711475
Call me when the retards at Crunchyroll and Funimation learn to encode.
>>133711475
Hooray for pandering to the masses and 'doing it out of love' becoming completely economically infeasible.
>>133711433
I think the issue is related with square enix, while cr calls everything simulpub it seems that it's a volume simulpub rather than chapter, so until volume 6 comes out in japan they won't release any chapters on cr.
It seems to be the same with other square titles like maybe's ring king.
Now, remember the spectacular past
When we lived in a world far more beautiful than now
Remember when we lived in our dreams
When everything was bright, when you first fell in love
Remember the innocence in your eyes
When you lived for a dream
Now, remember the spectacular past
When everything shone brightly
When you hurt others and were hurt in turn
Now, remember the spectacular past
When you could see the shining truth
When you could love and could be loved in turn
When you lived for a dream
>>133711475
Funny how nothing in your post actually gives reasons why anyone would start using streaming services, and completely glosses over manga.
> affordability of streaming services
More affordable than for free?
>>133705383
Funny even put up the wrong audio for an episode of girl with red hair last season.
How the fuck do you do that?
My main problem with crunchy is no type setting, and no subbing OP/ED.
The OP/ED is a big pain, especially if it's a catchy one.
>>133711536
I WISH
>>133711475
> Give it five years, and most of /a/ WILL like (which is to say, use) legal options for their Chinese multimedia
I'd put more money on most of /a/ learning Japanese than I would on that.
>>133711525
How can "doing it out of love" ever become economically unfeasible when the entire point is that you're willing to do it for no compensation?
Don't tell me that you ever actually donated to prop up some neckbeard's servers. After all, why would you spend any money on your anime when you can get it >for free?
>>133711600
Chinese. I'd rather know Chink to be honest.
>>133711647
Why? Are you planning to open a business or something?
>>133711570
THAT I COULD TURN BACK TIME
>>133711667
He's probably preparing for when they take over the world.
I, for one, welcome our new chinese overlords.
>>133711475
This is the most tryhard "I know what I'm talking about, trust me" post I've seen in a while.
>>133711475
You're wrong about /a/ adopting streaming (unless something changes in the services), because /a/, like /v/, has a culture, and people adopt that culture rather than the culture changing. /a/ is elitist. /v/ is cynical. People on /v/ aren't suddenly fooled into loving video games now, if anything they're more angry and pissed off at companies like Ubisoft than ever. Meanwhile on /a/, people catch the elitist fever. Most don't want to be caught dead streaming an ep because it's so satirized here, and that satire will not go away unless somehow Crunchy and other shitty services actually offer quality encodes, translation, typesetting, etc.
>>133703801
>Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga?
Because /a/ is full of overly self entitled manchildren who grew up being treated like snowflakes and start pissing and screaming at the mere mention of personal responsibility.
>>133711547
>Funny how nothing in your post actually gives reasons why anyone would start using streaming services
You're missing the point of what I'm saying, or maybe I wasn't clear enough. Subscription media streaming has already proven to be an enormously lucrative business model for the entertainment industry, and that includes anime (albeit on a smaller scale). In other words, there are already tons of people who happily pony up on a monthly or yearly basis for their Chinese cartoons, and they're not going to go away. On the contrary they will become increasingly common. And personally, I'm very skeptical that /a/ will continue to hold out as an antipathetic exception to streaming, unlike >>133711600.
You can't stop the tide from coming in.
>>133704257
You're a piece of shit English only pleb.
Your opinion is literally worthless.
>>133711667
For a completely unrelated reason to the reason I actually am learning it for:
In terms of entropy and information transferred over time, English and Chinese are the two most information dense languages when comparing typical vocalization speeds and information per utterance. Japanese is practically the lowest. A Japanese person has to talk twice as fast and still not transfer the same amount of information in the same time as an English person.
If they actually kill the chink cartels, I will consider putting more money into my hobby.
But if they go after weebs exclusively, then it means they're nothing but faggots who deserve to have their shit pirated forever.
>>133711759
Also, based on common utterance speeds, the average information transfer is commonly lower.
tl;dr Japanese seems pretty fucking retarded.
>>133711759
Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii wake ga nai
My little sister can't be this cute
Totally agree with you
I'm not paying money to stream shit. If they are reasonably priced I'm more then happy to buy DVDs or BDs, with or without subs, but I am not going to pay money for streaming. That's fucking stupid.
>>133711735
>personal responsibility
No one's holding me responsible, so I don't need it.
>>133711743
> I'm very skeptical that /a/ will continue to hold out as an antipathetic exception to streaming
I disagree, for mostly the same reason as >>133711712 , but I think the best evidence against you is that if /a/ would change that quickly, then we would have accepted streaming years ago. Free streaming was been the norm for years among most of the types who are now using paid streaming, but /a/ remained antipathetic.
>>133704726
>No karaoke
I really don't understand the appeal of these. Why do people want these in subs? They almost make me feel like I'm watching disney sing-along songs from another country. I find them distracting as hell when watching fansubs, and it makes me want to turn them off during the op/ed, but then I don't get to understand what anyone's saying. Wouldn't it be better to just put the romanized transcipt in another text file/video, so that if people need to know what's being sung, they can still get that info?
>>133711914
Anime and sing-along go hand-in-hand. Why do you think Cruel Angel's Thesis is such a popular karaoke song?
>>133711712
Yeah, /a/ has a culture. As you pointed out with your /v/ example though, culture changes. The board wasn't always an acrimonious shithole (that I agree is getting worse).
>Most don't want to be caught dead streaming an ep because it's so satirized here
And yet threads like this one crop up more and more often. You know as well as I do that a substantial number of people on /a/ stream shit now, even if tons are still torrenting crunchy rips.
>>133711895
I'd say it's been the norm for some time, sure, but it's only really gained traction in the last couple years. To the point that Funimation is now producing delayed week-to-week dubs (which Cruncyroll will start doing eventually as well, and following that, true simultaneous dubs). Regardless, I'm probably wrong on the five year guess one way or the other. My point was more that it will happen sooner or later, and my guess is sooner.
>>133712033
Facades are facades. One day they'll all become newfag meters. VLC is practically that tier already.
>>133712033
> but it's only really gained traction in the last couple years.
That's more about the companies catching up than anything. Youtube and streaming sites had much larger populations than /a/'s well before CR went legal, and my point is that if we were really going to capitulate to "everyone watches anime this way, stop being elitist about your secret club," there's no reason we wouldn't have done it already. If we did give in in the future, something would have to change that would overwhelm our defenses, so to speak. A lot of people using CR won't be enough on its own.
>>133703932
Fansubs haven't been as common or timely for a few years, too much of what's out there now is rips from crunchy etc.
That's not good news for avoiding lawyer meddling, since now you've got domestic parties with direct claims and took away their excuse to look the other way with 'well hey, they did add some OC with the translations.'
>>133712075
Are you implying that VLC hasn't already been a newfag meter for years?
>>133712125
>Youtube and streaming sites had much larger populations than /a/'s well before CR went legal
That's a fair point. Although CR and the like are far more tolerated here than YT and independent illegal streaming sites ever have been.
>>133703801
Those chinks got arrested because they were leaking raws earlier which directly fucks with the publisher, if they upload shit after the magazine came out nobody would give a shit.
>>133712203
I was only underexaggerating for the sake of not offending someone.
>>133704813
>loli alone is enough to get you arrested in most First World countries
No.
If there was something like steam for anime where you could download official translations of anime/manga instead of it being a ripoff like crunchyroll, would you pay for it?
>>133712275
If I ever spend money I'd rather get physical copies.
>>133712275
Nope. Not unless the money goes to charity or I can choose where the money goes.
>>133711298
Your retarded fans are into streaming though.
>>133712033
I wouldn't be surprised, anon.
Dubs and Funi have been getting more and more "acceptable" here.
>>133712331
>Dubs and Funi have been getting more and more "acceptable" here.
Granted, I haven't been on /a/ for a while, but I highly doubt this is true.
>>133712275
For anime yes, I don't care about physical copies.
For manga no, I prefer the real deal (paper)
>>133712275
>official translations of anime/manga instead of it being a ripoff like crunchyroll
I hate to break it to you and the other anons who have been talking about the same thing, but all the subtitle scripts that are produced by Cruncy/Funi/etc. have to be approved by Japanese licensors. That's as official as it gets.
>>133712357
Its not.
Just two week ago there was a faggot went to cry on /qa/ about /a/ shitting on dubs.
What's wrong with free streaming sites?
>>133712397
>thinking /qa/ is /q/
As if you needed further proof that that person is an idiot.
>>133712426
What's wrong here is you being on /a/. Kill yourself.
>>133712033
>And yet threads like this one crop up more and more often.
Because that's a convenient way to advertise to advertise your business. Faggot.
>>133712486
Nice explanation, faggot
>>133712397
I don't get it, doesn't that show that it's not acceptable?
>>133712538
>>133712357
The majority of the old guard don't accept it, but with the ever increasing newfags who give no shits about muh board culture, the ratio is slowly being skewed.
I'm not saying we love dubs, but the population of those that do is growing.
>>133712426
>What's wrong
The faggot ain't getting his money from you and it goes to advertisers instead, that's what.
In other words - nothing. Do whatever you like.
>>133712519
Lurk moar you lazy cunt. There are multiple threads every fucking day explaining to you retards why streaming is shit. Use the archive.
>Piratebay has still managed to stay up after all these years.
You can introduce all these types of laws send out all this copy right shit, Piracy cannot die it's too deep.
The web is too huge and has too many tools at it's disposal to be halted.
>>133708903
The only thing they could give as an alternative is free anime at great cost to themselves.
I actually have a degree in Film. Hear me out a minute. Back in the 1990s as internet was new it caused a lot of questions to be brought up for the first time. Questions people thought they knew the answer to ... and strangely they were wrong.
The question was this. In the future as downloads of entertainment become more widespread how will anyone make money off of entertainment?
This in turn brings up related questions.
If nobody makes money off what they produce then what is the motivation to produce entertainment?
If nobody will produce entertainment for money, won't quality suffer?
There was a book written about this called entertainment 2.0 which we had to read in one of my classes. I graduated in 2008 when this wasn't very settled and the idea was that we're entering a 'post entertainment era'. When the only thing which will exist in the future is low quality fan works.
In the interim some things started becoming clear. People WILL pay for entertainment even when they can get it for free. If not directly at least indirectly through streaming and advertising. I can promise you right now that 95% of everyone listens to their music on Youtube.
Music and television industries are diversifying. Smaller companies are able to make money now by cutting out the big multinationals and distributing directly. Artists make more money.
Right now unfortunately Japan makes their money through old technology, relying on DVD sales, even Bluray isn't as much of a force for sales as old school DVD. Japan hates new technology.
>>133712722
You can read about it online with horror stories including the Scandinavian team that helped with Final Fantasy 13 or 14 or whatever being told to literally fax their code to developers in Japan and the team helping translate one of the popular Visual Novels getting so frustrated with delay after delay from Japan they finally gave up and released it without approval on the internet for free.
You guys are making this problem WORSE. Japan is extremely wary of new technology. They're being slowly convinced to release their product on the internet through sites like CR and Funi. They even went so far as making their own channel Daisuki.
So long as people take without paying though Japan will notice, get frustrated with western fans, and cease international distribution altogether. Just try logging in to a site like Alicesoft and see what you get
http://www.alicesoft.com
Japan cannot maintain the sale of anime, even in their home country, on an outdated model. They must, like the rest of the world, get to streaming. While they can limp along for a few more years selling to older fans who refuse to change they're faced with a growing problem. As every older fan moves on to something else they must be replaced and the young and rising generation is more likely to view the internet as their source for entertainment. If anime companies don't realize this soon they'll starve to death and die. This is why we see lower and lower sales of anime in Japan each year while sites like Netflix and Hulu in the west are becoming so successful they now produce their own shows.
The best thing you can do as fans of anime is support proper distribution sites. If for no other reason than to show Japanese studios that such methods work. Help them move away from the dark ages and into the 21st century.
>>133712722
>twenty-line post
>I actually have a degree in Film.
Stopped reading. Fuck off.
>>133712749
But you guys don't care because you don't understand. You think it's not worth the effort, commercials suck, and why should you have to lower your quality of your free entertainment to watch legally streaming anime? The studios only get pennies anyway.
This is where you're stupid and wrong. You will continue to justify piracy in the idea it hurts nobody. Entertainment will always be free. And the Japanese only care about DVD sales anyway. Blah blah blah. I've been hearing your bullshit for years.
>>133712764
Kept reading this for anon.
>>133712581
>I'm not saying we love dubs, but the population of those that do is growing.
There's always been people like that, they are told constantly to fuck off and they either do so and fuck off back to /v/, learn to keep quiet or carry on having shit taste and not being taken seriously. Doesn't seem that different from... ever.
>board culture
For me it has nothing to do with that. FUNi is a shit company I'd rip one of my nuts off before giving them any (more, it's been years) of my money. As for Dubs, out of all the anime I've watched, I can probably count the number I'd watch dubbed rather than subbed with my left hand, and maybe have one or two fingers left over.
>>133712722
Anime airs in Japan for free.
>>133712749
Thanks for the input. As much as we like to yell at licensing companies for not releasing a timely, high quality product it's good to know its not always their fault, sometimes Japan really is shitty.
>>133712791
There's less people telling them to fuck off. They've been getting more and more threads.
This isn't like the summer myth, /a/ is truly becoming more casual even if the pace seems glacial.
Don't really care.
As long as I can get my hands on subbed nip cartoons I'm fine. If that means I have to pay 5 bucks every months then whatever.
Besides, I've got close to 3tb of shit in my backlog so I won't be affected by this too much.
>>133712859
>There's less people
*fewer
>>133712859
Don't worry I'll always be here.
>>133712722
>I can promise you right now that 95% of everyone listens to their music on Youtube.
This still seems like a ludicrous statement. Maybe if what you stretch your definition of listening to music perhaps.
>Japan hates new technology
But the inevitable move forward is happening. Perhaps not on the anime front, but the manga one. The entire book industry is dying but manga seems to be taking advantage of digital enough to make a difference. They were like 10 years too slow, but nonetheless, they're reacting now. Manga is a much bigger market and it's more important frankly.
It also wasn't really our fault, but the inevitable grind of technology which caught up to them here. Their print industry is dying, that is unquestionable and they are moving on manga.
>>133712803
> what are commercial breaks
>Soon it will be the only way to experience your hobby as industry leaders get serious with takedowns, arrests and lawsuits. Voluntary shutdowns are soon to become commonplace as well as seen with Imperial and RHS. Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em.
Yeah just like I can't download video games, music and hollywood movies anymore?
Oh wait I can :^^)
>>133711060
I think it's more like they don't care enough to bother. They just a want a video with any english subtitle as long as it's through legal means. I'd even argue if you replace all the subs with random swearing and nonsense, they wouldn't even notice. So called fans, indeed.
>>133713026
>all those Halloween joke chapters still on mangafox, mangareader etc.
A lot of you normies seem to be badly informed about this subject.
In Japan anime is free, you can just turn on the tv and watch it. So why should we pay for it if someone is willing to translate it fpr free? If you want to support the industry buy the BDs but by god DO NOT pay for speedsubs.
Now fuck off bavk to reddit.
>>133706704
You know, the funny thing is that, even in your metaphor, you're wrong.
The legal alternative isn't a vinyl, it's another .mp3 file with shoddy quality.
So while the free alternative is the same .mp3, but tweaked to be better, your so called "superior" alternative is a closed product you can make no attempt to make better.
>>133712970
Are commercial breaks even relevant these days?
I don't watch a lot of shit on tv, but when i do i usually start ~20m (depending on the series obviously) later so that i can skip the breaks entirely. I'm sure i'm not the only one.
>>133712749
I'm sorry,but you're dead wrong. In business one think is very important: If consumers no longer want your old business model,you adapt,or you DIE.
It's THEIR problem,not ours. I'm not going to pay some slimy cunts money to stream anime in inferior quality than free fan translations offer.
>>133712773
We do understand,but simply are not willing to pay for a inferior version of the free one. Paying for something is supposed to have benefits.
>>133712970
>>133712722
>>133712749
You have no idea how TV works in Japan oh my God
I have no idea if I should laugh first about your assumptions of your degree
In Japan anime isn't paid by the station for 'exclusive', it's the studio itself that buys a time slot on TV so it can get the right to be aired.
Commercials go to the TV station, not the anime producers.
The only way anime gets money is through merchandise, BD Sales and, let's not forget the most important thing, MANGA/LN SALES.
The thing most secondaries like you ignore is that anime isn't a product in itself, it's a 13-episode long commercial. The reason why anime is almost always an adaption of something is that turning a profit with anime is incredibly difficult, so their goal is not that, it's 'breaking even'.
Because the goal is making you BUY THE FUCKING MANGA.
Your whole argument, that would be wrong even if your initial assumption was right, fails completely on the grounds that anime itself isn't the product, it's just an advertisement for one.
>>133713182
Ok, but when Japan converts to the new streaming model, assuming it starts offering the same thing worldwide, if the service is solid the only reason to keep on relying on fanmade stuff is money, and there will surely be someone who refuses to pay using some bullshit excuse like "quality". Of course as of today there is no service like that, so I can't prove it will happen, but I can sure imagine it.
>>133713080
>But I want to support them legally.
It's hard to have even a discussion when people are being moralfags about it.
>>133713080
>normies
Kill yourself.
>>133711755
>English only pleb.
Your opinion is literally worthless.
>>133705881
>explode a van to download this file
Streaming is inferior to download. You being too much of a lazy or dishonest shit to look into it doesn't change that
Until japan gives me the option to ddl episodes with good encodes they can go fuck themselves.
>>133713265
Then the discussion reverts to manga and original content anime, and the question is:
will you pay for quality (QUALITY) distribution service that provides you with manga, LN and whatnot, if we see such thing in the future?
At the end of the day a lot of people would still use the free route, and be hypocritical about it saying the fanmade translation are better, so they're putting their money in. If they really are better, it's fine. If they're not it's fine too, just stop trying so hard.
>>133713523
I go out of my way to go to the library and borrow stuff even though I like the cosiness of my mother's basement and interacting with people is hard.
>>133707057
I wish I was hired by the companies to post on /a/.
I always make the dumb mistake of doing it for free.
>>133713547
Second and third is me, not the first one though. What are you trying to prove?
>>133713562
That's an option, too.
But as anyone who has worked on both sides of the fence can tell you, doing the job professionally usually gets you some very significant advantages:
You (sometimes) get the Japanese scripts. It's very, very easy to make a mistake in a translation when you have to translate by ear. Hearing something wrong, particularly if Japanese is your second language, is very very easy. Pro translators usually get the After-Recording (AR) Scripts that were used in the show as a reference. Now, sometimes those scripts aren't entirely accurate -- anime voice actors are often asked to incorporate last-minute changes, or ad-lib something in the booth. But with that caveat in mind, having the script helps immensely in ensuring that the translator got everything right.
You (usually) get pointers from the licensor. Not sure how a faux-Western name is supposed to be spelled in English? Trying to decipher some obscure technical or military jargon? Was that supposed to be a biblical reference? A fansubber just has to guess, but in many cases a pro translator can ask the licensor for clarification. The licensor will send the request all the way up the chain of command, to the show producer or the original creator. Their answer might not be what you expected, but it's the only way to be sure that what you're writing in English is what the creators intended.
>>133704489
>Getting hired to bait.
Do they get bonuses for dubs?
>>133703801
Quality is shit and can't be archived.
If they offered a HD alternative DDL/P2P I'm sure the subscription fee would be very much worth it for the speed of availability, legality and accessibility, assuming it's affordable to a neet without starving the cunt to death.
>>133713654
The licensor may check your work. Not all licensors do this, but most will check over your translation to make sure nothing is significantly off. This step often has to get skipped during simulcasts for deadline reasons, but most will go back and check everything again before it gets used on a DVD or Blu-ray. Sometimes they may flag things because they know something that's coming up later in the show, that you have no idea about. Other times, they'll ask you to clarify an English figure of speech to make sure it fits with its intended Japanese meaning. This step can be frustrating, but it also catches lots of mistakes.
Your skills as a translator were vetted by whoever hired you. This is a big one. Not every self-proclaimed translator is as good as they think they are. Most of the major anime publishers ask prospective translators to take a test to check their abilities before they hire them. If they're short-handed, that publisher might not be as discerning in who they hire as they'd like to be, but all of them try hard to hire the best translators they can afford at the time.
You can be fired. Assuming you like your job, that can be quite a deterrent from putting too much of yourself into a translation. The temptation to put your own spin on something is ever-present, and the idea that, yes, adding a dumb nerd joke into that samurai drama WILL get you canned makes for a very good reason not to troll the fans.
\http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-11-18/.95476
Okay so the arguments for legal subs boil down to better quality because
-You have the script, it's easier to translate the script then from ear
-You have contact with the Japanese companies. You are able to clarify with them various points like obscure imagery
-You are being vetted by both other translators and the licensor (sometimes)
-You are motivated to do a good job because if you don't, you're fired.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-11-18/.95476
Your rebuttals?
>>133713523
>mfw by the time that happens I'll be good enough in moon to not care about translations
>Copypasting off ANN
>Answerman
I knew this thread was shit, but damn.
>>133703801
You don't appeal at all, because your content doesn't have any benefit at all. When an anime gets licensed for dubs, we already watched the subs and in most cases prefer the japanese VAs as in quite a few times english VAs can't match (Honestly, almost no english VA can pull off the moe tone).
For mangas, it's timing most of the time. I do buy some mangas because tanks generally fix stuff, but a lot of the time, when they get licensed, they are a looong amount behind what we've already gone through-the fact that you won't get to the current parts in a year or two is highly discouraging, as you are just as likely to lose/cancel the licensing by then. The very same applies to Light Novels, if not even more-we don't want to wait 3+ years for a translation that is barely, if at all, better of what we already got.
>>133713731
Eh, I wish I had the time to learn nipponese too, but I guess I'm too much of a normalfag
>shikata ga nai
>>133704489
shit, fuck, things like that.
>>133713791
>mangas
>>133713265
I wasn't going to even read responses because I believed most answers would be drivel.
Like this one
>>133713182
I'm not even going to bother.
But you are correct insofar as you make 2 assumptions.
1. That every single anime is an adaptation.
2. That anime studios aren't concerned with making money from networks.
I'm already well aware of how television shows get made. I know far more about it than you do. American cartoons for example were always advertisements for toys.
Negotiations go on for a long long time before either side is willing to produce or air a show. To begin with, networks, or stations as you wish, make promises to advertisers. They will reach the number of viewers the advertisers want. They are as concerned with the success of a show as the studio which produces them. If you think this doesn't give studios leverage over TV stations you're oddly ignorant of how the process works.
Studios with the backing of big named directors, voice actors, writers, or a property which is likely to be profitable have considerable leverage to make demands. Asking for percentages of commercial sales or even financial backing from television stations is common. Deals are made and broken by 1/10th of 1 percent.
Besides the fact that anime which have no adaptations exist manga companies themselves have another stake in this as well. Anime companies are seldom the same as Manga companies and when you bring them in it's just another mouth to feed when producers are working on a property. If they can cut them out of a deal I promise you they will. Saying anime is nothing more than advertising for LN and manga is incredibly silly.
Granted I work in the US and not Japan but business is business. Everyone is concerned with how their property is distributed and piracy is a constant concern on all sides of the table.
>Mind-fucking people into paying for bits and bytes
Government extorts money from people all the time and calls it taxes.
Breathing air can be taxed or made into paid service as well.
Basically everything can be criminalized and charged for
.
Some say piracy, some sharing information.
Some want to exploit others, others enjoy stuff they like.
>>133708888
That's not even how honeypots work
>>133713654
>it's the only way to be sure that what you're writing in English is what the creators intended
I'm pretty sure we all know what I'm about to say.Quwrof.
>>133713829
>it's not stealing if it's data!
Paying for anything is just as stupid, anon. I'd steal my food if I were as confident in getting away with it as I am in pirating. It might make me a worse person than you, but I'm not clinging to flimsy excuses about ones and zeros.
>>133713724
Funi doesn't care about the script at all and will insert something gamergate related even though it doesn't increase understanding or universal appeal of the source situation at all.
Often, fan translators have worked on the source material which has both text and sometimes voice as a reference. Fan translators also allow for a freedom in level of localization. A monopoly of a single service does not allow for that freedom and you're stuck with something either too literal or too localized.
Some of your points might apply to something like Sentai or Aniplex who work on subbing BDs but not to speedsubs where you physically won't have the time to ask questions.
>>133713724
>You have the script, it's easier to translate the script then from ear
I was under the impression that nobody was translating from ear these days, with closed captions being a thing and all.
And even with access to scripts i've seen some really nasty shit, i'll elaborate later.
>-You have contact with the Japanese companies. You are able to clarify with them various points like obscure imagery
>-You are being vetted by both other translators and the licensor (sometimes)
Can you guarantee that these things actually happen? I hardly ever watch anime, and usually stick to bd rips, but my impression from watching regular tv is that most translators don't give two shits about their job. I've seen it all, from made up words to inconsistent translations across different episodes, to blatantly wrong translations (my favorite example is cell(prison) translated as cell(phone)), Is this something specific to the place where i live? Because i highly doubt that, and every time i see someone complaining about cr botching translations i get the feeling that it's not so different after all.
>-You are motivated to do a good job because if you don't, you're fired.
Like that guy who worked on the dub script for prison school?
>>133713820
>1. That every single anime is an adaptation.
Not him, but produce an objective, and purely factual proportion. It would be of great interest. Until you produce one or he produces one, it's all pulling out of your ass.
If you go by series, and franchises, you'd probably get a much different story from purely episodes produced thanks to long running series.
>>133713654
>>133713724
The ANN guy can make as many arguments as he wants, but the proof is in the pudding - whatever goes into the process, the end product of professional translations isn't something I'd pay for even if I couldn't get it for free.
>>133713909
Also, changes over time. It'd be no use arguing over something averaged over too many years or too few years.
>>133713889
>Funi doesn't care about the script at all and will insert something gamergate related
I think that was actually a genius idea. The normalfags and /a/ don't really give a shit about this reference or might not even get it, while the eightgag gamergators instantly become assmad about it for still being mentioned as the failures they are.
>>133713878
>It might make me a worse person than you
> I'd steal my food if I were as confident in getting away with it
What a piece of shit, would steal food if police wouldn't beat the shit out of him.
Reread the post:
>>133713829
And try again anon, since it seems you are missing a point.
>>133710394
>no ads on multiple device and everything is HD
Please be a troll
D-dubs desu!
>>133713820
>1. That every single anime is an adaptation.
There are currently over twenty anime announced for next season, and two are originals. The top-selling original this year (not counting this season) is Symphogear, which has had three seasons of increasing momentum and now peaks at roughly half of the year's best-seller's sales. And even non-adaptations make large amounts of profit from things that aren't the anime itself, such as merchandise, or in Symphogear's case music and related stuff.
Daily remainder, that everything can be criminalized and charged for.
>>133713960
I'd think half of the funimation viewerbase has probably been a gamergater at some point. Did you not see the shitstorm? I don't think alienating your consumers is a very good idea.
>>133713964
>What a piece of shit, would steal food if police wouldn't beat the shit out of him.
I'm white, live in a decent area, and am completely non-threatening in appearance and manner, so I'd probably just get yelled at by the manager until the police arrived to cuff me and respect my rights. But yes, if no one would do anything about it, I would steal the food I cannot choose to go without from a grocery store that has plenty of it, and wouldn't feel bad about it, either.
>>133713894
>I was under the impression that nobody was translating from ear these days
A lot of people still translate from ear. In the case of anime, it's much faster to do by ear and only look at the script when there's a line you can't make out properly or want to see the kanji for.
You wouldn't steal a loli.
>>133713960
Spotted the SJW.
Go watch FemFreq or something.
>>133714020
Right, even originals have the character goods and character songs and spin-off material and so forth.
>>133714058
Sucks to be one of them gamergaters, I guess.
>>133714083
Both sides are retarded
Anon,stop streaming at me,you're scaring me!
>>133713960
> might not even get it
Even if you support butchering the script with localizations, if your target audience doesn't get the line you're using, you're doing it wrong. Even Commie knows that, and if you're worse with localizations than Commie, you should just quit the business.
>>133714070
Blog somewhere else, faggot.
>>133714082
Nice assumptions.
WAAAH! WHY WON'T YOU PAY FOR MY BITRATE STARVED SHITTY STREAMS.
>Daisuki as OP pic when Daisuki streams for free
>>133714336
One thing I don't understand about Diasuki are the ads.
I mean, they're self-promoting, I've lost count of how many times I've seen the one for Concrete Revolutio while watching IBO.
I know you're streaming that show, it's right there, on your library.
I'd understand if they had paid ads like Hulu or something, but what's the point of what Daisuki does?
If everything was under a single fee I would probably pay it.
But I'm not paying Crunchyroll, Daisuki, Funimation, Hulu, fucking whoever else 10 dollars + each per month, AND STILL not get subs for every show I want to watch because "well we didn't think it was a good fit for us". You can fuck off with that shit.
>>133714502
>Daisuki
Free
>Funimation, Hulu
I had the impression that basically everything Funi streams is avalaible on Hulu.
>>133714502
What shows don't have subs?
>>133714586
The one with dubs
>>133714611
checked
>>133714586
Not that anon, but if not for fansubbers I wouldn't be able to watch Super.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-11-18/.95476
>>133714802
Moralfags are the worst.
>>133714586
god tier shows like kochikame
>>133714502
This. The legal domain is fragmented.
And even if airing shows are al available for free (just that I'd have to watch them on different very bad websites with very bad players), what about older shows or if I want to rewatch something?
>>133714502
On top of that,they are streaming services. I refuse to pay for low quality trash.
>>133714802
>You (usually) get pointers from the licensor
>The licensor may check your work
Light Novels by Yen Press seem to be proving both these points completely wrong.
At least with fan translations, a fan can just edit anything they did wrong, as soon as the original creators reveal some kind of information like the "faux-Western name" mentioned.
Even if licensed translators have the luxury to ask the creators, they rarely seem to take it. In fact, I've seen at least one fan-translation project that occasionally asks that author for these sorts of questions, and he responds in broken english.
>>133714802
>You (usually) get pointers from the licensor
Uh no
Check jewpress
>>133703801
The social marginal cost of anime, or anything digital is 0. The efficient price of provision is 0.
>>133703801
I would buy more Anime and Manga if I didn't have to pay the ridiculous Kangaroo Tax on top of the price.
If you support something, and have the means to buy it, then support it. Why not?
>>133715272
Read the fucking thread.
>>133715272
A huge tax and the possibility of jail time proves otherwise.
>>133715272
Buying a digital copy of anything or license to view those copies is literally throwing away the wealth of society. Don't do it.
>>133715272
Buying anything other than physical is retarded.You can't cum on your BDs while you can on a doll.
>>133715272
Buy the BDs then.
I buy physical copies of manga, that's good enough for me.
I don't know about other countries, but in mine, importing rates are pretty damn high unless you're a company bringing in a fuckton of product.
I think it was a couple of years ago when the most recent Gasaraki set came out and I wanted to buy it, but the product itself plus the shipping fees, since my country isn't eligible for free shipping, and the Customs taxes meant that I would have had to pay nearly as much for getting the thing than for the product itself. Fucking ridiculous.
>>133715338
fuck buying bds
but physical copies of manga is something I support
>>133715354
Pretty much this, the last time I imported stuff from japan in Italy it was fucking insane
>>133706704
But zero costs are not why I do it.
I do it because the translation is objectively better.
And even then, I pay for the official releases as well.
And I'll be sticking with that until I'm actually paying for QA, consistency and other factors.
>QA, consistency
Crunchy had two translators working on a single series, and the names of some characters changed chapter to chapter depending on who translated, that's some good QA and consistency right?
>other factors
it just happens that we also get the chapters early (Even though that's not something I particularly care about), actually getting all the chapters, as well as the possibility to talk with the group.
>>133715393
Better learn Japanese then. 99% of licenced manga are battleshounen shit.
>>133715354
>Live in a country that also taxes books on import
Fuck this shithole
>>133715272
Fuck off namefag.
>>133715420
Way ahead of you.
>>133715272
Porn is literally illegal in my country, no thanks.
>>133703801
Because:
A. The stuff the charge for is free to begin with, They made it illegal to receive free to air broadcasts.
B. Not available in every country, and for charges ridiculous enough.
C. Censorship, Will they allow content like 5 years old loli being brutally tortured and fucked by 3 50 years old ugly bald fatties?
>>133703801
>Lo lamentamos, pero debido a limitaciones de licencias, estos videos no están disponibles en su región.
There.
>>133707104
I bet this nigga doesn't even know CD is digital.
>>133715487
>5 years old loli being brutally tortured and fucked by 3 50 years old ugly bald fatties
Jesus anon, have some standards, at least turn the loli into a 100 year old being fucked by orcs in the town square
>>133715504
>What's a VPN.
>>133715537
Easier to use the illegal option.
>>133715537
I know what you mean, just the other day i bought a car and then had to find someone else to drive it because the manufacturer won't let me drive it myself.
So who is going to support the industry by buying the clannad VN when its released next week?
>>133715596
I liked the anime but could never get into the VN for whatever reason.
>>133715596
>sekai project
Buy fucking Higurashi instead
>>133715537
>setting up a VPN to watch something I should be able to but can't because Crunchyroll is lazy
They don't deserve my money.
>>133703801
H-Hi Daiz
>>133715596
>buying uguu bullshit
>>133715596
When you say support the industry what exactly do you mean?
>>133715596
Which industry?
The nip one or the burger one?
>>133715596
Why would you buy a VN that was translated years ago?
>>133715596
What the fuck are you talking about? Wasn't Clannad adapted from a VN in the first place?
>>133715800
The STEAM release.
>>133715521
Kuroinu?
>>133714586
Noone officially subbed amaburi.
>>133715059
Right, they don't seem to understand the ease by which patches and softsubs work if there are any errors.
>>133715596
>Supporting fucking cancerous sekai project
>>133715596
sorry m9, spent 10K supporting GOOD VNs and GOOD projects like muv-luv's KS
I'm curious now, what wrong with Sekai project?
I'm not really into VNs so I've only heard of them.
>>133715272
What if I don't have the means to buy it? How am I expected to buy 200$ blu rays when I have less than 50$ left over each month?
>>133703801
>Why doesn't /a/ like legal options for Anime/Manga?
Because they either involve paying or sitting through adverts and I can get stuff illegally with little effort and no consequence.
>>133716067
Then don't feel bad about it, and make more money.
>>133715059
Why do people still believe these kinda things get better by paying? I mean the people translating for YP and Viz and shit don't even work with that kinda meritocratic model.
They get paid a salary. So long as no one notices their fuck ups aka the QA guy who can only get fired if someone even bothers QAing his QAing there is absolutely no incentive for these guys to work hard or smart.
It's like expecting some faggot flipping burgers to serve food better than your granny who has been cooking passionately for a hobby for 70 years. That's never gonna happen. Imagine if McDonalds forced everyone to eat their hamburgers and wouldn't allow people to cook patties for others unless they were doing it as a business just cause they have a license.
>>133716067
Then save up until you have enough money.
That's like saying, "I stole this car but that's okay because I didn't have enough money to buy one." Fucking make more money until you can afford it.
>>133715991
Nothing really.
>>133715596
sekai project can go suck a dick
after the shit they did with shiny days, they might as well shoot themselves in the nuts for alI care
>>133703801
>actually thinking they can kill piracy
>>133716110
Learn something useful and then put it on use. I think that programming is the easiest thing that you can do thanks to the sheer amount of learning material that it's out there.
>>133715596
Yeah
and the translations will be worse than the fan translation version
they could just release the fan translated version as the official one but no, they gotta fuck shit up
like they did with grisasia where they did release the fan translation as the official one but removed all the fucking TL notes
>>133715874
What, I'm pretty sure it had CR subs.
>>133716082
fuck off
there are better things to do with your hard earned money than spend it on buying shitty chinese cartoons
then you'll be no different from those furries and mlp watching faggots
>>133703836
Yeah, but we have less and less people doing it as time goes on.
>>133716111
Not this "argument" again.
Pirating is something completely different from stealing.
>>133716204
Nope. It was deadfish all the way through.
>>133716204
After seeing Vivid's HILARIOUS subs I can only wish it did.
>>133716328
You do know Deadfish just re-encode shits and the subs came from somewhere else, right?
>>133716351
>trolled
>>133716351
What I'm saying is that it wasn't on Crunchyroll. Or at least anymore.
>>133716358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg
>>133716348
MAL please go.
>>133716358
Only because I can't. If I could download a car design and use my particle accelerator to create it, I'd do it.
Though, the electric bill from that would probably cost more.
>>133716376
>>133716351
Oh my mistake.
It's not on the UK crunchyroll
>Pay for CR
>Don't even get CR's full catalogue
VALUE
FOR
MONEY
>>133716358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>133716389
Fuck off to twitter. #HappeningToHeadBeFamilyShakeMyHonest
>>133716410
>buy a CR subscribe
>uses Deadfish
Off yourself.
My internet is too shit for streams and blu rays are expensive
If they wanted my money they'd have a better system like Netflix does
>>133716457
Wait, why should I go on Twitter? I haven't family posted.
>>133716458
I can search their site without paying them.
>>133712374
I don't buy that. Look at Magi for example. CR gave their translation for magic names as per what the old Sensescans translations used. Then at some point, someone found out the names were not just gibberish and that they were actually based on real languages (Arabic usually), Sensescans adopted the changes, and then all of a sudden, CR followed in suit. Obviously the mangaka would know what the transliteration should be (I.e Arabic based usually), but the CR translations did not show they got that communication with her. They just copies Sensecans after they made changes.
Okay /a/
Is it Guts or Gats?
>>133713724
>The licensor may check your work.
Irrelevant, because it's likely the person checking doesn't know both Japanese and English. If they did know both languages, they'd be the one translating instead; the licensing company would have no reason to hire two translators for one to check the other when they can just hire one.
>If they're short-handed, that publisher might not be as discerning in who they hire as they'd like to be, but all of them try hard to hire the best translators they can afford at the time.
They're cheapskates and pay a tenth of what non-anime professional translators get paid, so of course they're not very discerning at all. "The best they can afford" is just a euphemism for that.
>>133713889
>Funi doesn't care about the script at all and will insert something gamergate related
Happened a grand total of once in a script already filled with other very liberal translations, out of the dozens of shows they've licensed for simuldubbing. You would've had more of a point if you'd mentioned how terrible their subtitle scripts tend to be.
>A monopoly of a single service does not allow for that freedom and you're stuck with something either too literal or too localized.
Not sure where you're getting this idea from; there's basically zero consistency in translation style within any of the major English simulcast licensors.
>>133716204
Sentai licensed it months after it finished airing, so yes, it has CR subs now, but it didn't when it aired.
>>133712374
>some gobbledygook in some other language
>tick
>>133716573
CR had the Magi manga?
>>133715596
I might buy it on steam because it's convinient.
>>133716668
MU lists viz as the english publisher, maybe he meant the anime?
>>133708656
Tokyo ghoul was as irredeemable as these from the get go. None of them are yet on the level of world trigger, though. Magi is just a step above them.
>>133716715
Thats exactly what anime needs if they want me to buy it. A Steam-like service with downloads instead of shitty streaming.
>>133716758
>BD prices
You know its coming
>>133716817
>BD xmas sales
>>133715596
If it was standalone I could have thought about it, but fuck steam.
>>133716835
BD Black Friday sales
>>133716859
Before bitching about Steam you should bitch about Sekai project.
>>133716758
What if the downloaded videos are encrypted and can only be played through the optimized yet proprietary player they provide?
Basically DRM.
>>133716921
>optimized
>proprietary player
>>133712859
>/a/ is truly becoming more casual
Good.
I only come here for news anyway since I don't like discussing shows with /a/'s infantile userbase, and if it makes a bunch of you buttmad, I'm happy.
>>133716884
why
>>133716608
Gauttssu
>>133716668
I meant their anime. The magic names from the anime are ripped from the names Sensescan's manga releases use. Sensescan at some point got some guy who literally knows Arabic and stuff, changed spellings based on the underlying Arabic or whatever source, and sometimes gives translation notes about the source of the names. Previously it was thought that the names were totally made up, but apperantly not. So obviously, the mangaka made the names with a source language in mind and obviously a translation should use those.
What CR effectively did was not consult with the originator, translate ルルッシュ as "Rurush", leave it like that, see fansubber write that as "Lelouch" and give an legit explanation as to why that spelling was used, and then CR also starts using Lelouch. It is effectively like that
>>133717000
Why the fuck would you come here for news instead of a news site?
>>133703801
>Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em
Kill yourself, shill.
>>133711536
SAA, OMOIDASHITE
>>133717033
Have you seen the English language anime "news" sites?
>>133717119
Have you seen /a/?
>>133717032
Oh, I see.
That's kind of amazing.
Something that really bugs me with CR is how with some series, their horrible manga translations move on to be as is in the physical books as well. Down to just ripping them off as is, removing any fixes there may have been in the japanese volumes.
I might almost find their translations acceptable if it wasn't for that.
>>133707104
You wot. Go get a lesson from /mu/
>>133717176
I already took Meme Rap 101 though
>>133703801
crunchyroll subs used to be ok when they started out, now their quality is dropping massively, sometimes they don't even bother to translate the sub dialogue when 2 conversations are going on at the same time
greedy people turn everything into shit cause they try to cut back on costs and thus you have shit quality
>>133703801How much pay do you get for advertising on /a/?
>>133703889
>>133704085
Except official outlets do it for money which means they cut costs to make as much profit as possible and this hurts quality
While fansubs do it because of passion and that drives the quality up as you would want to do the best at what you're passionate about.
>>133703801
>>133717236
Heck crunchyroll can't even be bother to QA proper english spelling anymore in their subs.
>>133703801
>Imperial and RHS
>Can't fight 'em so might as well submit to 'em.
Do you think you can take us for fuccbois when this literally means nothing? At least know what you're talking about, you dingus.
>>133703801
I don't want to pay a western Jew for shitty translations.
Buy original from Japanese company, download english translations.
>arrests
>tfw I have to explain to Jamal the serial killer that I'm in prison for pirating K-On
>>133715487
fucking this
fucking forcing people to pay for free to air shit that should be free to record and share
what the fuck is the point of recording at all then? you might as well make it illegal too
>>133717395
They own the rights and they choose where it is shown
Anime isn't a human right anon, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
>>133717369
>tfw he has it on VHS
>>133711759
You're right, English does a great job of being the original language used in all these studies:^)
>>133717369
Then Jamal admits that he's not really a serial killer, and he's in prison for pirating K-On as well, going so far as to show you the tattoo of his waifu.
Hijinx ensue as Anon and Jamal work together to recruit other weeaboos into their newly formed prison gang.
>>133717531
A serial killer falls in love with a weeb
>>133717531
>pri-pri-prisoner joins the gang
>>133717531
Vice documentary when?
>>133717531
I will watch it.
>>133712033
>As you pointed out with your /v/ example though, culture changes.
The whole point of that example was that culture hasn't changed. /v/ has been shit since video games turned to shit (circa 2007)
>>133717946
>culture doesn't change because culture changes
>>133718237
It hasn't changed from 2007 til now. it changed in response to industry conditions 8 years ago
>>133717531
>enter into the cell
Jamal >so.. K-on uh?
anon >y-yeah
>WHO IS YOUR WAIFU
>w-what?
>WHO IS YOU FUCKING WAIFU
>Mugi?
>WRONG AZUSA IS BEST K-ON, PREPARE YOUR ASS CRACKA
Heh.
>>133716160
explain,what this all about one of the main reasons why Sekai projects is a stink.
>>133717531
>over time multiple factions are formed inside the weeabo gang
>each of them formed around a different waifu or circlejerking about different series
>overlord faction is called Ainz Ooal Own and they have bones tattooed on the forehead to recognize each other
I pirate everything I can because it's a win-win for both of me and creators. I get shit for free and they get free advertising. I'm actually helping them in a way.
Most of the anime are shit anyways and nowadays I don't even watch anime anymore.
They won't be able to stop people scanlating some mangas though.
>>133718302
Great taste, Jamal.
>>133718446
>free advertising by watching chinese cartoons alone in your room
>free advertising by shitposting on /a/
uhh...what?
Call me when CR/Funi does Karaoke.
>>133718613
Funi does it. Of course it's done Funi-style, meaning complete garbage, but it's there most of the times.
>>133717444
>They own the rights
TOPKEK
>>133717444
Getting payed for showing anime isn't an human right either.
>>133703889
Your mom is a meme.
>>133718302
Of course Jamal is a fucking Azusafag
>>133716090
I guess they should include feedback cards in Volumes.
>>133711425
You aren't helping your point
>>133717032
I like the situation most were the Mangaka has no Idea how those names are written in English.
Proceeding to fuck up perfectly fine choices with his "official Translation".
>>133719478
What's my point? we all know CR is shit
>>133715109
>>133715059
The guy isn't wrong
>but in many cases a pro translator can ask the licensor for clarification.
They can, but the problem is they don't.
When japan gets serious with arrests etc... I think they will form something like the "scene". They will only share among themselves and someone will be leaking their releases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene
>>133714802
>You can be fired. Assuming you like your job, that can be quite a deterrent from putting too much of yourself into a translation. The temptation to put your own spin on something is ever-present, and the idea that, yes, adding a dumb nerd joke into that samurai drama WILL get you canned makes for a very good reason not to troll the fans.
Prison school says otherwise, in fact, the translator got support from the company instead
>>133708608
If there was no funsubbing/scanlations I simply wouldn't watch anime/read manga.
Instead, fansubbing/scanlations let me discover, come to love and want to sustain the authors I like.
If it wasn't for funsubbing/scanlation I would never have dumped hundreds of euros on Kon's and Nihei's manga/movies/artbooks.
The "piracy is killing the industry" argument is retarded.
Most people, if there was no free way, wouldn't consume the media at all.
