"Smug Rachel" Edition
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Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn hella gay to rewind time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.
>Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com
>Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630/
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg
>/lisg/ Permalink:
http://orph.link/lisg
>FAQs, Old Threads/Strawpolls, Soundtrack/Music & Leaks:
http://orph.link/lisgarchive
>/lisg/ Community Written Fan Fiction:
http://orph.link/story
>Compilation of Fanfics:
http://orph.link/fanfic
>/lisg/ Content Producers:
http://imgur.com/a/DOAKn
>Strawpolls:
http://strawpoll.me/10505482
http://strawpoll.me/10549116
http://strawpoll.me/10549625
http://strawpoll.me/10616399
http://strawpoll.me/10645276
http://strawpoll.me/10646187
I want you to know...
You will never be alone.
Thread on /v/
>>>/v/343570048
Bought this in the steam sale a few days ago and just beat it.
Haven't had as many feels since TWD season 1. I thought it'd be shitty after the first episode, but the rest really bring it to another level.
>>147293870
Please don't. This thread just started and we don't need their nonsense in it.
>>147293959
The spamcuck is doing it intentionally.
>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"
>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV
>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb
>>147293870
>Chloe deserved to die, warryn is my bae
>Edgelorde wanting to see actual rape
>Multiple posts of the lisg thread link, trying to encourage trolling
typical /v/ thread to be honest, family.
>>147294607
People trying to get others to come here and crash the comfy. What a dick move.Also pretty much a call to raid, which is against the rules.
>>147296332
>No brooke
>>147296412
>Victoria with JUST
I laughed
>>147296412
Aww. Don't cry Vicky.
[Cuddling Intensifies]
>>147299062
I could see Chloe becoming a good support for Kate, as well as vice versa. They have some stuff in common, even if they do not see eye to eye on certain issues.
Max is evil.
>>147299943
Kate wouldn't approve of her relationship with Max, most likely.
>>147300074
Why not? Kate's not preachy and she would be glad that Max is happy.
>>147299951
>Le edgy Tom Gould comic
Fuck off back to plebbit.
Night /lesg/
>>147300569
It's just the spamcuck baiting for attention so you're about right.
>>147300636
Good night anon.
>check lisg fic reccomendation link
>that first entry
>>147300424
Max and Kate are sitting having tea
"So, Max. You have a girlfriend now. Chloe right?"
"Yeah, that's her name."
"Don't take this the wrong way Max, but is everything alright? I've seen Chloe around before and she doesn't...seem your type."
"Oh. Kate. I know her looks can scare some people. But she's sweet, we've known each other since we were kids."
"Really? Was she always like that?"
"No. She wasn't. Chloe went through a lot and for a while didn't have that many people there for her... not even me."
"Max. You're there for her now and that's what counts. I' was just asking. I can tell you're happy."
"You can? How?"
"Every time I mention Chloe you start smiling. You're doing it now."
>>147301894
That's still there? heh.
>>147305816
Remember. Always make the *right* choice.
>>147305816
I can watch the Bae ending without problem now that I've had as much time as I've had to think about it and come to logical conclusions. Plus because of all the great fan animations and fics.
>>147307049
Chloe wanted you to choose Bay over Bae. She knew everyone she loved would die if you didnt.
Why would a tornado hit Arcadia Bay if you save Chloe?
>>147307158
>knew
*mistakenly thought
>>147307552
Doesn't matter what actually happened. At the time, Chloe was acting in the best interest of someone other than herself for the first time in her life.
>>147307158
Chloe didn't know anything. She suggested that her death would somehow change things, even neither she or Max had any solid reason to believe it.
It's also showing that Chloe still hasn't realized she's worth keeping alive. It's once again her low self-esteem making her think she's worth less than others. She's trying to act mature and be brave but clearly fails since she cannot even say "die". While it's admirable that she gave Max that option, it was not what either of them really wanted and she would be hurting the very people she loved even more by dying.
>>147307873
I agree that Chloe didn't know what difference her death would make, but she was willing to take that risk to save her mother and others she loved. This proved incorrect, as the tornado didn't do the same we expected, but based upon the evidence she and Max had, it was not a stretch to assume the entire population of Arcadia Bay would be wiped out.
>>147307873
>neither she or Max had any solid reason to believe it
This is the main reason I chose bae. If that were a real situation, there would not be any reason to believe that going back in time and letting Chloe die would change anything. I think that it would be very irresponsible to let Chloe die without a way of getting back and reversing the decision.
>>147308124
If only Max had just hit Nathan on the head with the hammer when she had the chance.
>no Brooke
>>147308249
This is ignoring how Max already made changes before going into the bathroom: If using her power is what triggered the storm, if she just smashed the fire alarm then without any rewinds, she should have fixed everything. She saves Chloe and then goes through the week on autopilot and does everything she did (Meeting Chloe again, saving Kate, finding the Dark Room, keeping Chloe from rushing back to the Junkyard, telling David about Jefferson, all that stuff) then she rejoins time at when the storm would be happening- but it isn't because she never did anything to cause it because the autopilot Max doesn't know she has the power.
>>147308124
Could easily have made things worse too, counting as another change in the timeline further compounding the damage.
The whole ending is complete shit of course, but if they wanted to do it right, they really should have used the alt timeline's cancellation to show a reduction in the abnormal effects or something that might suggest undoing changes reduced the paranormal activity. Instead the alt time line doesn't really serve the main story much at all, aside from introducing the focus power and showing le edge assisted suicide.
Good night /lesg/!
>>147309073
The alt timeline shows how even though things were bad, they could have been worse.
It also gives you a glimpse into the true personality of the characters and what can be changed. Chloe's still a flirtatious punk at heart, but Max underwent changes she was not proud of. All because of the circumstances she left Arcadia Bay during that timeline and since she writes Chloe (keeping some form of contact) she felt that was good enough and never went to visit her. Where as in the "real" timeline the five year blackout between the two and sudden reunion made them realize how much they missed each other.
So the alt timeline introduces a new mechanic and answers a very large "What if?"
>>147309192
Sweet dreams, Anon.
>On January 4, 2016 Hannah stated on Blackwell Podcast that she hasn't played the game yet but she probably would choose to save the town at the end of Life is Strange, because she thinks "the guilt of destroying so many lives would haunt Max forever and put a strain on her friendship with Chloe.'' But she also said, "If it were actually me, if I were standing outside thinking about it, who I knows what I would do... Love is crazy..."
lel
>>147311020
Hannah's great. She is responsible for a part of why Max is so cute. She brings up a good point too; in that situation you can easily say "I would do this", but if you're actually in it (and you're having to consider letting a loved one die) the choice becomes near impossible.
And as much as I like her, I disagree that it would put a permanent strain on their relationship. They would get through it together, Max having learned she needs to be comfortable with her choices in life and can only look to the future, and Chloe realizing that there are people who love her.
>>147311020
>tfw all the VAs are cucks.
Off to sleep. Stay comfy, /lisg/.
Anyone else feel Dontnod are really dumb for making a season 2 with all new characters. Just set it in an alternate reality, literally no-one would be mad. With new characters they are going to try and out do themselves so we're just going to get a bunch of edgelords in extreme situations.
Still no Brooke
>>147314681
We don't know that... I know we'll never get this, but I'd like two male gay characters for the next game. But still cute, not uber masculine.
>>147316830
A game about the directors would not be interesting.
>no Brooke yet
>>147316830
I said cute. That does not apply to the directors. Stop projecting.
>>147299943
>>147316964
w-what if you could pick 'bad' options and see them tormented?
>>147293446
>friendly reminder that turning off your game at the decision screen is confirmed canon ending
>>147319748
Jeez. What is wrong with two cute guys, one possibly femmy? I'd like to see that,
>>147321323
Maybe the next main character should be a trap. IMAGINE
>>147307745
> for the first time in her life.
pls nigga.
>>147321715
Maybe the next main character should be a wolf on all levels, except the physical. IMAGINE.
>>147321715
Chloe trap, isn't it ?
>>147322443
>LiS2 set at a Chicago furry convention
>a pansexual wolf and gay black hotel worker fall in love whilst investigating the mysterious disappearance of another con attendee
>>147323760
>pansexual
Get with the fucking times, grandpa. Surely there's some new stuff that's been invented since the 2013.
>go to tumblr to see some fanart
>"Today's child sexual abuse of the day survivor is Max Caulfield"
I have no words.
>>147326904
*survivor of the day
>>147326904
I mean, she is kind of a survivor of what can probably be considered sexual assault. Just not as a child.
>>147326904
if any character in LIS is a child sexual abuse survivor it's probably victoria (acts out sexually towards older men), nathan (that weird deleted 'daddy' shit), or rachel (because of the laura palmer stuff). definitely not max.
>cut along the lines
>>147329324
who's ruby?
>>147329487
Basically an excitable goth Max who likes guns.
All joking aside, probably the artist's signature.
>>147330319
>>147329487
The artist
>>147330319
>not ruby gloom
And that's the full series, friends.
http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=146
>password: lis
>>147284164
most upvoted reply:
>Absolutely pro LGBT, but for the record if you play the game straight it still brings all the feels.
>play the game straight
Not sure why we're shitting on plebbit. I haven't laughed this much in a while
JULIET IS CUTE
>>147333416
>>147333548
Anyone got that cute one-page comic of Juliet and Dana having a kiss? :3
>>147333731
>>147333773
:33
>>147301894I would read the last one.
>>147293446
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe
After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!) (thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't doe,or butterfly,bluejay or even shit.
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's Chloe just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it.
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget
ALICE IS CUTE
>>147333313
I don't know why're you're laughing.
Reddit is like cancer that people contract willingly, because it's usually the first point of contact with a "community" of any kind after seeing fanart from tumblr.
>>147293870
kek.there're only two cucks in /v/, their writing styles clearly reveals who they are. they always posting whenever someone makes a thread about lis.
>>147333313
What's he talking about?
Card game people.
http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=146
>password: lis
>page 10
>>147337606
I'm the fury in your head
>Left here months ago
>Come back and everything is exactly the same
Good to see we're still trapped in time together.
Was anyone else saddened life is strange 2 wasn't announced at E3?
>>147326904
What the fuck?
The artist can be good, but the overall "victim" glorification (When they're not even victims) is truly moronic.>Google that second line >The links are stories about Max/Warren. I'd certainly consider that sexual abuse.
>>147327368
The only character that even hints at anything regarding abuse is Stella.
>>147331629
Her name isn't Ruby Gloom though.
>>147339650
>The only character that even hints at anything regarding abuse is Stella.
Also Chloe via David.
>>147340735
I know anon..
>>147340840
Please don't start this.
>>147340735
Got that in higher res maybe?
I guess everyone went outside to enjoy the nice weather
>>147340940
Yes, it'll definitely bring out the triggerable David apologist
>Yes he smacked her in the face but that's good parenting
>There's no evidence he's hit her more than once, even though he casually threatens her with more of the same later on in front of people
>Chloe said mean things to him. He had 'no choice' but to hit her.
>My parents smacked me in the face all the time. And look how I turned out.
>>147333313
>tfw some lisg anons are bombarding plebbitards right now
>>147344220
It was definitely out of line, which is why he immediately apologizes if he does it (Which he may not since it's the result of a choice- he never hits her in my playthrough), but considering the situation they were in. A slap was a lot less serious than what else could have happened.
He knows a student had a gun at the school, probably has a good idea his stepdaughter was involved in the incident, and now he figures out one of his pistols is missing. He could have easily called the Police and had them arrest Chloe.
Was it an asshole move? Absolutely. Was it the sign of something that had been ongoing? I see no reason to believe so, otherwise he wouldn't have been sorry.
No Brooke
http://pyx-2.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=146
>password: lis
>>147344947
>/lisg/ - Cards Against Humanity General
>>147345906
>not Cards against Humanity - /lisg/ edition
>>147344714
He doesn't slap her because of the gun though. He only brings it up midway though his conversation. Then he lays into her about everything else and starts raging because she says mean things about him in return.
>Also believing its not ongoing because he says sorry afterwards
Laughable. One of the most common things dv abusers say. Then they do it again and again. Every time they say the victim was "asking for it" and they're sorry. So they get another chance. And they do it again.
>>147344225
>there will be no evidence of it
>>147346523
And yet there's absolutely no evidence saying that is happened more than that one time, which isn't even guaranteed.
You can post all the charts you want or say how "common" something is, but in the end it's just another retarded theory like Max having autism, Chloe being trans, or Taylor being bulimic. Take your Tumblr-tier crap and leave.
Let's all go to Two Whales!
>>147347008
He goes to raise his hand to strike her in the argument in episode 3 as well, like its an impulse he has to control. And it's clear this relationship has been the status quo for years, regardless of how many times he's physically hurt her.
I feel sympathy for David, but more sympathy for Chloe. David is an adult with the means to take control of his own life and remove himself from the situation at times where it became a negative environment, Chloe was a (young, at the start) teenager who must have felt trapped.
>>147341552
Wish I did. Sorry, Anon.
>>147347938
Is it a hand raise like he's about to slap or is it a knife hand like he would have used in the military?
I agree with you that both of them deserve sympathy. And thankfully they can both come a very long way over the course of the week. After counseling (Both as individuals and as a family) and sitting down and talking. I could see Chloe and David developing a much better relationship since the possibly biggest step has already been taken: David admitting he messed up and handles a lot of things the wrong way, and Chloe admitting her hatred/ antagonizing of David was her being immature.
>>147348894
It's quite all right.
>>147354625
Rachel got her hooked!
>>147355190
Good job, Rachel. You know Chloe has an addictive personality.
>>147355840
I thought Alice was wearing an eyeptach for a second. She joined the pirate crew.
>>147350742
That's fantastic.
>>147294276
New DLC story expansion, baby!
>>147333313
>decide to visit reddit
>open 20k thread
>basically people downvoting posts they don't like, upvoting their own retarded posts they like and ignoring what happened in reality
>start to read comments>tfw you've already given up in second post
>you can't even stand to watch their retardness honestly
>finally understood what /lisg anons were talking aboutWill you forgive me?
>>147293446
>daily reminder that it's confirmed that the blue butterfly is storm summoner (the harbinger of disaster) This means, it became clear that the storm's still coming in Bay ending
>>147358348
Everyone make mistakes, Anon. Some of us were even unfortunate enough to be possessed by something and read YouTube comments.
As long as we do not repeat these follies, we have done better.
>>147358348
>visited reddit
>ignored lisg anons' warnings
how dare you
>>147358892
Evil-Max, please. Stop trying to make people feel bad about their mistakes.
>>147358892
If only anon could rewind time.
>>147360415
can someoneswatthat?
>>147358348
>Plebbit
>they were busy with making ridiculous theories and completely focused on their headcanons also Mari's theories.after episode 5's release, they started to eat michel's shit and said how emotional endings are,full of positive comments 'itz true art' -> they won Dontnod's heart
>/lisg
>ep5 goes to trash can.ipg: they nearly discussed each nook and cranny of the game and were laughing with its ass off at these theories. after episode 5 release, they were busy with critizing story's fuck-ups other than eating someone's shit. -> tfw Dontnod doesn't love critism
that's why i'm here
>>147362426
>>147362426
Toby pls go
>>147360831
*Whacks the winged demon with a rolled up magazine*
You should be good now, Max.
>>147362759
Gj
and a Chloe for Max
>>147362426
>I share this thread on Reddit?
But you'll crush their hopes anon :(
>>147362996
>IP count goes up
>>147363107
Ok well don't go ahead and say the madman actually did it, when I post the link
>>147363259
Be ready for downvotes
>>147363259
Nah, everyone is expecting you to be an idiot anyways spamcuck
>>147363594
Found the traitor
>>147363765
stay away from us spamcuck
>>147363765
>Screenshot
>youtube
Found the true traitor.
>>147363765
>Found the spammer
>>147363075
Let's replace that evil butterfly with something Max *wants* on her lips.
>>147364078
How does it feel to know that the most popular YouTuber on this planet chose the correct true ending.
>>147365760
>HOLDING THE TEARS
And literally no one fucking cares.
>>147365760
>tries so hard to catch anons attentions by watching stupid LPers
rip spammer
>>147365760
Seriously spamcuck, no one cares.
>>147365760
How does to know that replies on an Anonymous imageboard will never replace the lack of love your parents gave you?
>>147365760
>IP count doesn't go up anymore
>cliché rotten baits
Goodbye spammer
Cutepost to counter-act the bait/spam
>>147366701
>>147367301
>>147366829
Which are you going to eat first?
>>147368282
pancake to eat
alice tobite
>>147366701
LIVE
>>147371716
OK?
>ywn play LiS for the first time again
>ywn wait for a new episode filled with hope
>ywn refresh dontnod's twitter waiting for news
>>147368282
>>147368410
What did Alice ever do to you?
>>147374310
Please, don't remind me of that.
>>147374531
>>147375521
Acute Max that I found.
Why does every Max picture on the web have the top of her head cropped out?
>>147366829
What's Alice doing with a pancake on her head?
>>147376770
She wanted to give it to Lisa but Lisa didn't like pancakes.
>>147377067
That's a shame. How did Alice get the pancake? Did she make it herself?
i got through about half this "game" and just kinda stopped playing. the story sucks the plot is solely driven by max being around troublemaker chloe who causes literally all the problems in max's life. and theres no option to tell her to fuck off. like what the fuck.
>>147379781
nice post, why don't you go bitch to /v/ about it
>>147380235
does my opinion upset you? you should be happy that i happened to grace your dead general with an actual post, dirtbag
Good night /lisg/
>>147384113
Good night anon
Max looks better with the beanie than Chloe does!
Golden yellow tea is best tea!
Cuteposting is best posting!
As long as Warryn is getting cucked of course!
>>147387024
What if Warren embraces the gay?
>>147387236
That's not how you spell WarrYn anon. But I guess that's fine.
>>147388545
What would be a good location for Season 2 outside the US?
>>147389082
Didn't meant to quote desudesu
>>147389082
Paris
I just finished the game, please kill me. I spoiled myself on nearly everything including the endings because I was so excited to play the game and it still hurts.
I just want Max and Chloe to be happy together forever.
>>147390559
Pls no, way too crowded
I went and watched fireworks. Pretty things go boom.
>>147389082
Somewhere in Eastern Europe during the 1990s.
>>147390914
Don't think the Yugoslavian Wars and dissolution of the Eastern Bloc would make a comfy game 2bh
Maybe Poland or Czech Republic today would be nice though
>>147391243
Something in East/West Germany. Like the main character has a friend and has to sneak across to see them. Not sure what power would be good though, maybe the ability to turn invisible for a short period of time. So there's drama, stealth sections, and having to hide a friendship/love.
Or something in Ukraine where the supernatural elements come from Chernobyl (Kind of like STALKER).
>>147389671
>>147393602
How would you feel about Kate's giant head replacing the sun so that every day you could look up and see her smiling down on you?
>>147393985
Gives me a good reason to wake up everyday
>>147395347
It's incredible how perfect they are together and how natural it felt to see their friendship become more.
That was a fun Shark Week. Always a Summer Tradition.
Hopefully Max didn't get too frightened when Chloe had it on.
>>147396889
Kate and Alice should start a band
1.7k people about to get some feels
Brooke?
>>147401910
I bought this during the steam sale why was picking Chloe the minority. Also Nathan was a realhuman bean.
Goodnight /lisg/. Have a good day, sweet dreams, and to my fellow Americans a happy 4th.
>>147403659
What a cute Chloe. Max is so lucky.
>>147404394
Because people played the game as themselves instead of playing as Max
>>147404508
Not even a Chloefriend but have some more anon
Happy 4th of July to all of course.
>>147393985
Sounds like Third Impact.might be okay
>>147404902
>might be okayI'm a late to bed and late to wake person and I'd wake up early just to watch the Kate rise.
Good night /lesg/! Keep the thread alive!
>>147379781
>and theres no option to tell her to fuck off. like what the fuck.
maybe next time you won't confuse 'story-based/choices matter' thing with 'it's an actual rpg game and u literally can make main character whatever u want'like dontnod tried near the final episode and failedor won't expect that main character is a blank character who hasn't her own feelings.
>>147410184
>You will never see Stella and Kate have a romantic studying session together
>>147333313>Absolutely pro LGBT, but for the record if you play the game straight it still brings all the feels.
I want to believe that the author was just trying to being sarcastic here and just trying to bait people by upvoting his own post.
If it's supposed to be serious comment then it clearly proves that those retarded people are still exist.
>>147411394
>filename
i'm saying this as a kate lover, i give you 3 min to change it.
or bad things will happen.
>>147411394
>>147411924
off screen Chloe is pleasuring both girls, that's what the file name is referring to
>>147412863
>Kate inserting herself into Max and Chloe's relationship
Yeah, no thanks.
>>147412863
okay then
>>147293446
>friendly reminder that you will never know what the VA cast truly believes because michel stands behind them in every interview
>>147413525
>>147413525
What does this have to do with Kate?
>>147414187
It's what happened to her soul.
>>147415134
Stop it right there, bully.
>>147415134
gtfo michel
Honestly, for such a tumblr game, I did not expect Kate to be portrayed as well as she was... Where was the anti-Christianity I was expecting? Life is indeed strange.
>>147415662
The whole "Tumblr: The Game" thing is blown way out of proportion. If it were really like that you'd be seeing Max and Chloe making stupid online tantrums about "micro-aggressions" or something.
>>147415662
Nice try spamcuck
So my sex doll from abyss creations finally arrived on friday. It took over 20 emails and lots and lots of time to help design/create and get her to look as close to Kate as possible. I had sex with her on Saturday (and yesterday) and am thinking of uploading videos on pornhub. Does anyone know if sex doll porn is allowed on pornhub, and if not is there anywhere better to share it? I posted photos of her on dollforum, but they don't appreciate the Kate likeness.