>Captain America: Civil War confirms our national dumb-down. While the mainstream media pretzel themselves over the presidential primaries, Marvel Studios has steadily accomplished a rejiggering of the American public’s cultural and political consciousness. Civil War completes this devolution in its story of superhero combat where one faction of pop icons, led by Captain America/Steve Rogers (Chris Evans), faces off against another faction, headed by billionaire genius Iron Man/Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.).
>As momentary adversaries, Captain America and Iron Man almost represent the schism that now divides American voters, politicians, and pundits. I say “almost,” because the film’s comic-book premise doesn’t inspire reflection upon the dire seriousness of our current ideological civil war.
>If anything proves the triviality of Hollywood’s comic-book franchises, it is this disregard of the class realities that truly separate Americans. Working-class poster boy Steve Rogers has no common cause with wealthy authoritarian Tony Stark; the superficial show of patriotism that binds them doesn’t erase the difference between the former’s grunt-worker sacrifice and the latter’s aristocratic expertise. It’s the ultimate sentimental cynicism when Captain America’s devotion to his dangerously conditioned childhood friend Bucky/Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan) — who represents war’s emotional cost — is used to evoke ambivalence toward the military, while Stark’s authority celebrates the Military (and Hollywood) Industrial Complex.
>Is it overreaching — or being humorless — to recognize and critique a piece of entertainment that takes America’s schism lightly? Will fanboys — or for that matter film critics — ever understand that Marvel Studios has engineered a cultural coup that prevents viewers from thinking? How did we get here?
>Since comics and graphic novels became popular as counterculture, adolescents have been encouraged to reduce mainstream politics to their own sentimentality. Thus, Marvel’s various superheroes appeal to teenage rebellion: Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), Falcon (Anthony Mackie), War Machine (Don Cheadle), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner), Vision (Paul Bettany), Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), and the others personify juvenile sensibility. They remain trivial, even as their divisions play out in serial chase scenes, explosions, and technological butt-kicking. Each one’s predicament represents a denial of the moral complexities that come with maturity. Fear of growing up is implicit in both the devious terrorist plots of supervillain Zemo (Daniel Brühl), who harbors childhood dreams of vengeance, and the supercilious wit of Tony Stark, the George Soros/Steve Jobs–type to whom the superfreaks all feel indebted. (As Stark, Downey achieves the same promiscuous waste of talent as hammy British actors of old.
>Despite the supergeeks’ arguing either against working for the restrictive capitalist government or for their own sense of doing right and correcting injustice, the fact is, nothing here has gravitas. Civil War is politics as adolescents misperceive social/global crisis. This has been going on for so long (ever since Hollywood realized the bounty to be had in cajoling comic-book culture’s ready audience; since, say, the 1978 Superman film, then 1989’s Batman) that, by now, the brainwashing is complete. The trivializing has grabbed such hold that when a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art (the profound Man of Steel and Batman v Superman), many fanboys, and critics, react with anger, resentment — and ignorance.
>To praise Civil War as entertainment is to accept its puerile conflicts. This is the moral reduction that has happened to American youth culture in the wake of the generational dissents of the Vietnam War. Movies as violent as the Marvel flicks are not pacifist but are proof of anti-military sentiment — such as became evident in the confused Ferguson protestations about “militarized police,” a foolish, redundant term exploited by manipulative media outlets and politicians. Civil War furbishes aggression simply to excite viewers who are as programmed as poor Bucky.
>In a similar sense, Civil War exploits recent political trends such as Black Lives Matter. Black actress Alfre Woodard (whose portrayal of a comically psychotic wench was the only convincing characterization in 12 Years a Slave) appears as a grieving mother who blames Stark — standing in for the Military Industrial Complex — for the death of her child, a promising youth with a 3.6 grade-point average. Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
>This pandering passes for political relevance among non-thinking viewers. So does the film’s multiracial superhero team, especially new inductee Chadwick Boseman (superb as Jackie Robinson in 42 and James Brown in Get On Up) as the offensively named Black Panther, a pseudo-African potentate who possesses suspiciously feline/feminine powers of vengeance. Black comics fans are an immediate target of Marvel Studios’ exploitation. Note the scene where Black Widow, played by the white, ultra-sexy Johansson, is confronted by Black Panther’s aide, a Nubian queen with fore and aft protrusions and powerful swagger. She threatens Black Widow: “Move or you will be moved!”
>This patronization is consistent with Marvel Studios’ political infantilizing. The vigilante Avengers’ inability to avoid collateral casualties when fighting the bad guys raises the global body count. These blithe depictions of tragedies precipitate the film’s basic ideological quarrel, similar to that in the powerful Batman v Superman. Yet Civil War’s evaluation of this dilemma, of what’s at stake in American politics, is petulant and trite. Stark critiques the roguish Rogers: “Even when he’s wrong, he thinks he’s right. That makes him dangerous.” This tempts a Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren–style American self-reproach, just as Sanders is the model for an early scene of Stark at MIT funding every student’s research proposal. It’s alarming — if not offensive — to see an entertainment film feed this fatuousness to juvenile moviegoers so as to shore up their political fancies.
This man is so based. Goddamn.
>No wonder Civil War’s big blow-out — half the superheroes pointlessly battling the other half in a Leipzig airport — becomes repetitious and calamitous. It’s the most pointless, decadent scene of the year so far. Directing team Anthony and Joe Russo work by-the-numbers, staging blurry, undecipherable action and rounding up extraneous Marvel characters Ant Man (Paul Rudd) and Spider Man (Tom Holland) for comic relief. It’s rebooting on top of rebooting simply because fanboys love a reboot; that’s how pathetically indoctrinated we’ve become. The Russos’ Iron Man versus Captain America competition appeals to comics fans’ sophomoric cynicism, but the head-banging among invincible beings amounts to nothing; it lacks the magnitude of Batman v Superman’s soulful contemplation of wounded people who are torn and fighting against themselves.
>Marvel Studios shows no appreciation of what “civil war” actually means. At least the Wachowski siblings were genuinely implicated in the race/sex struggles of The Matrix (1999), but here, the Russos’ imitation of the Wachowskis’ diversity carnival doesn’t work; it’s not heartfelt theorizing, just exploitation. Without Zack Snyder’s visual wit, Marvel’s tedious, hackneyed formula costs this film’s political allegory its metaphorical heft. And a generation of filmgoers, now accustomed to comic-book pettiness, will lack the proper moral outrage. They’re ill equipped to realize how Civil War’s quasi-politics cheer our current state of incivility as a thrill ride. When everybody’s vengeful this is the trash we get.
>>69173372
BASED NEGRO
>>69173540
>cynicism
nothing in this movie was cynical
Based Armond, with a heavy does of truth, ruining the day for man-children that watch capeshit once again.
Thank you Armond.
My sentiment exactly. Thank you Based Armond for putting my thought into words so carefully chosen.
>>69173540
Marvel eternally BTFO but sadly they don't even know it, and that's the point he's making
Full article
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435036/captain-america-superheroes-dumbed-down?target=author&tid=1152026
>unironicallly praising BvS and Snyder
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Oh my fucking god, can someone be this out of touch? I suppose you gotta make money somehow and clickbait is the best way these days.
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>>69173828
>Oh my fucking god, can someone be this out of touch?
Couldn't have said it myself friend.
>>69173428
>The trivializing has grabbed such hold that when a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art (the profound Man of Steel and Batman v Superman), many fanboys, and critics, react with anger, resentment — and ignorance.
How can one man be so based?
>>69173828
Let's hear your opinion
Has armond ever had any impact or has it always just been him impotently ruining his name with blatant though articulate contrarianism
>>69173828
>B-but this is not what everyone else says, this means he is wrong!
The land of the sheeps
Contrarianism Incarnate
It's impressive.
He's a more well-written villain than anything the writers and directors he praises could ever put together.
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>>69173540
>When everybody’s vengeful this is the trash we get.
>>69173938
>Has armond ever had any impact or has it always just been him impotently ruining his name with blatant though articulate contrarianism
He gives /tv/'s contrarian faggots a place to point out to claim legitimacy.
That's _something_.
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>>69173540
This man's a human scalpel.
>>69173938
Nah, he's always just been that asshole nerd in the back of the class that's convinced everyone dislikes him because he 'says what everyone is thinking' when in truth he'd rather kill himself than speak for the masses.
Sometimes it's so off base its funny though, like this.
>>69173540
For the love of God, someone pull the stick out of his ass
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>>69173540
>You'll never be as smart and articulate as based Armond, ever.
Man, in the end it's just opinions, but the way this nigga writes them. Damn. It's pretty hard to counter-act, just look at how everyone goes ''oh he's a contrarian, pay no attention'' and no one actually takes on what he writes.
Based Armond.
>>69173635
The entire premise of being a "fanboy" is to be a cynic
Armond has wrote about this before
Does he even have to watch the movies anymore to write his "reviews"?
I feel like one could put something like this together just from press and previews. You have a handful of references to the movie, but the bulk of it is political rambling.
>>69174061
>no one actually takes on what he writes
Just as with someone who insists the sky is green, there's not really anything to "take on".
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2bh, at no point while watching Civil War was I reminded of any of the current events he's blabbing about. Maybe, Civil War just isn't for hi--
> it lacks the magnitude of Batman v Superman’s soulful contemplation
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>>69173635
The whole MCU is an embodiment of cynicism.
>Damn it, Fury, these drones represent fear, not freedom! Power without oversight is tyranny. The cost of freedom is high but it's a price I'm willing to pay. Maybe I'm too old-fashioned to belong in this world of secrets and spies, but....
>lol nevermind Nazis are behind everything imma go punch em!
>Damn it, Tony, this Registration Act represents surrender, not global safety! The cost of doing what's right is high but it's a price I'm willing to pay. Maybe I'm acting selfish by protecting Bucky and The Avengers' autonomy, but....
>lol nevermind Nazis are behind everything imma go punch em!
Critics seriously believe these are "political thrillers" creating thoughtful analogues about our modern dilemmas
Fucking Hell this society
Marveldrones will never, ever, ever recover.
Might as well leave for Reddit now and never return.
>>69174118
>2bh, at no point while watching Civil War was I reminded of any of the current events he's blabbing about.
Just turn off your brain bro
>>69174118
HAHAHAHA MARVEL BTFO
>>69173372
It's over.
He's /tv/'s messiah
>>69174094
>Does he even have to watch the movies anymore to write his "reviews"?
>I feel like one could put something like this together just from press and previews. You have a handful of references to the movie, but the bulk of it is political rambling.
Someone should write his Suicide Squad and Doctor Strange reviews.
>>69173938
He's not a contrarian, he's actually pretty consistent and sticks to his guns.
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What people get wrong about Armond is that he doesn't care about the movie themselves, the decisions that were made and the fluff that are used to "enhance" the experience.
He cares about ideas, the meaning of those decisions. He gives them a sense. He is a deep man, and we all should strive to become a bit more like him.
>>69174094
You are 100% right. Someone could just look at all the promotional material to figure out how thoughtless and illusionary this movie's main premise is especially when the Russos themselves parroted that political thriller talking point
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>>69174020
The masses already have a voice.The idiot babble of the mob.
> The trivializing has grabbed such hold that when a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art (the profound Man of Steel and Batman v Superman), many fanboys, and critics, react with anger, resentment — and ignorance.
All that needs to be said
>>69174301
Look at this capeshit faggot child and how triggered he got.
Thank you Armond!
>>69174275
Nah bro we need more quips and explosions
He never actually addresses the movie.
This is a political rant using Civil War as a platform.
>>69174385
>addresses the movie's themes and politics, even the action and costumes
>he never actually addresses the movie
>>69174275
But does the movie have hilarious one-liners?
>>69174385
Sure he does. There's just not all that much to address when the piece is as vapid as Civil War.
>>69174385
This the average capeshit fan.
>>69174094
I think it's clear that Armond considers Civil War a failure as a film, and chose to write about the context from which Civil War emerged instead.
>>69174385
It's not fair to see Armond's work as mere "reviews". They are essays.
He'sone of the few people with a voice that recognize that a multimiillion dollar industry cannot be just entertainment. What's being made, what's successful and what isn't, and the recurring patterns from movies to movies aren't mere coincidence. They all have meanings.
They are an expression of the world we live in. They ae the voice of a generation. As such, it's only natural to consider them inside the big picture. In his writing, Armond tries to point out what those movies represent at a core. He isn't about the pretty effects or the immediate emotional impact, he is about the big meaning of it all. The ideas at the core of things that gives them a sense and that are eternal.
Truth hurts.
>>69174401
Oh please. The movie was in production long before the current political climate and began filming before the race even began.
>>69173372
>turns out to be a contrarian shit
I wonder who didn't see this coming.
>>69174385
The movie's directors call it a political thriller, but now a reviewer cannot evaluate the movie's political statements?
Fuck off
>>69174557
>28%
it does.
>>69174558
That's not a counter argument against examining the film's politics
THE KING HAS SPOKEN!!
>hough White recognizes many internationally respected, cinematic auteurs such as Jean-Luc Godard (a quote from whom is centrally featured on White's Twitter page[24]), he is known for defending populist, blockbuster filmmakers as visionary movie artists, especially action-oriented auteurs such as Brian De Palma (director of mainstream genre works such as Mission Impossible; Scarface; and Carrie),[25] Walter Hill (action and Western movie director-producer),[26] Michael Bay (big-budget, sf-action director-producer of the Transformers film series),[27] Justin Lin (and other directors of multi-racial, internationally oriented The Fast and the Furious franchise),[28] and Neveldine/Taylor[29] (writer-directors of the visually edgy, low-budget Crank film series). White has frequently praised the work of Bay--maker of profitable tentpole films, which, over time, have gotten more and more negatively reviewed by American film critics[30]--over that of more critically acclaimed, art-film-styled action directors such as Christopher Nolan.[31] Such unconventional critical positions over contemporary theatrical films[32] have earned White the label of a contrarian, going against his movie reviewer peers much, if not most, of the time (for instance, his agreement with Rotten Tomatoes "Tomatometer," which aggregates professional and popular film reviews, is currently at 52%).[33]
>Michael Bay (big-budget, sf-action director-producer of the Transformers film series),[27] Justin Lin (and other directors of multi-racial, internationally oriented The Fast and the Furious franchise)
>>69174704
Nolan love is overstated like how Bay hate is overstated
>>69174601
You are so fucking mad right now, it's cute in a way
>>69174704
>52%
>contrarian
lol
>>69174704
>art-film-styled action directors such as Christopher Nolan
>dude exposition, changing aspect ratios, bland visuals, middle-brow narratives and horrible editing lmao
I'm done with this Mickey Mouse-tier soap opera drama. It doesn't help either that all the fight scenes are edited by a teenager with Tourette's and Parkinson's, it's as if they want to distract the audience from how shoddy everything looks by waving a flashlight on their face. I couldn't give a damn about any of these sterile excuses for characters. During the airport scene all the artificially-inflated conflict devolved into a child playing with one toy in each hand and bashing them together.
It's riddled with sophomoric and shallow pseudo-political ponderings that are thrown out the window when the quiptastic action starts. They completely disregard for the umpteenth time the collateral damage while they're having fun showcasing their flashy abilities.
The third act pretends to get serious when in reality it turns into a cheap heartstring manipulation revolving around "why didn't you tell me Cap waaa".
This part completely disregards the fact that Stark knows all too well that brainwashing and mental manipulation is a thing, let's not forget that he has witnessed it firsthand with Banner. There's no excuse for him to have such a sudden change of heart other than to extend the conflict for another 15 minutes of mindless violence, and leave the manchildren with the impression that they've just witnessed an intricate revenge tragedy.
All smoke and mirrors, the constant quipping is an effective tool to cloud a fanboy's mind and judgement.
Finally, what's left is an entire team of "world-class" heroes that got fooled by a man wearing a Bucky mask. Not to mention that the villain's stale trope was better executed 19 years ago when Scream 2 came out, ironically, a film satirizing this cliché.
If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.
Never again.
Armond being a Trump supporter confirmed.
>>69173540
>Without Zack Snyder’s visual wit, Marvel’s tedious, hackneyed formula costs this film’s political allegory its metaphorical heft
>it lacks the magnitude of Batman v Superman’s soulful contemplation of wounded people who are torn and fighting against themselves.
>>69174847
>If you don't think this is cartoonish and laughable you might be too young to post on this site.
Truth.
Its scary how much Armonds opinions line up with my own
>>69175077
I seriously doubt you ever possessed the capabilities of operating on the same wave length as Armond.
>>69175077
Congratulations, your IQ isn't in the double digits.
This is like, high level trolling right?
Nobody can be this despicable can they?
>DCucks so desperate they resort to praising a NIGGER
>a N I G G E R
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>>69175171
>Holocaust denying MCuck has to resort to low level racism to make a point
lel
>>69175045
its almost as if he browses /tv/
>>69175171
>Marvel Manbabies this buttflustered
>>69173372
I dont understand the need for such in depth analysis for a popcorn movie. The author seems to be seeing what he wants to see than what actually is
>>69175200
dubs confirm he does
>>69175045
He liked BvS but he hated this? Honestly this is way less based than people are making it out to be. He's not actually insightful, he's just being contrarian
>>69175283
He is a patrician, of course he liked the film over a flick.
>Zack Snyder crafts a story of a technologically advanced civilization that goes to war on foreign soil all for the goal of "protecting [their] people", completely outclassing the citizens and killing them indiscriminantly - using specific imagery such as the elaborate first person views and snap zooms evocative of drone strikes
>American critics pan him
>Zack Snyder releases a natural followup where in the crusade of a soldier is realistically presented as brutal, efficient, and lethal. Instead of the glossy and glamorized depiction of the troops "fighting the good fight" that American society perpetuates everywhere but errant dirty Oscar bait war flicks. Zack shows that the line isnt crossed. In war, the line never existed. Yet in the end, there is still a glimmer of hope that redemption is possible.
>American critics pan him again
Meanwhile the ""political thriller"" Captain America 2, drops its modern themes of domestic security and surveillance halfway through in favor of punching more Nazis ........ and critics love it and call it a more 'mature' Marvel film.
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/thread/marvel/capeshit
>>69173828
lmao at your fucking life
>Black Panther, a pseudo-African potentate who possesses suspiciously feline/feminine powers of vengeance
>>69175225
How does that make him any different than anyone else looking at it. You wanted to see nothing but a popcorn movie. He's just calling it like he sees it - vapid, pointless, and cynical.
In short, a popcorn movie.
>>69173676
Truth? Are you serious? The guy is just a huge contrarian.
>>69175320
Which movies?
>>69175225
Marvel chose to make shitty films and at least one guy is calling them out on it.
So I've been on Reddit for about 7 years now. I'm a moderator on several popular boards, including /r/4chan. I will try to give you guys an unbiased, objective outlook.
Reddit's main problem is its karma system. It encourages users to post content which the majority will agree with rather than something that may be controversial (but still contributes to the conversation). Because of this, most communities become predictable and boring.
This is the lifespan of a submission on your average default subreddit:
- 1 minute in: your submission will most likely be downvoted into obscurity. The reason behind this isn't necessarily because your submission sucks, but there are other people who just made submissions and are downvoting every other new submission in an attempt to have theirs noticed quicker.
- 10 minutes in: if you managed to survive this far, your submission may start picking up steam. You'll see the first comments start to roll in. They will be mindless, vapid, and generic things like "omg i spit my coffee out after seeing that!" The reason there is no effort put behind them is that they want to be the first to post before everyone else. The sooner you post was the more likely your comment will be seen and upvoted.
- 3 hours in: whoever managed to comment first on your submission will now be the highest voted comment, regardless of how little it contributed to the conversation. Since your submission will have so many comments at this point, more people will start replying to the top comments. The reasoning behind their comment will likely be noticed quicker, leading to more karma for their account. These replies are just as vapid as the original comment. Pun chains are very common. Remember: as long as they get that reply before other people, they're more likely to get upvotes.
- anything afterwards: barely any comments are posted, because why even bother? Their comment won't be seen under the mass of thousands of other posters.
>>69175317
>Responds with memes
How does it feel to have even less relevance and more pleb opinions than /r/movies?
>>69175440
>are you serious
Mad fanboy faggot detected
>>69173372
Memes aside, this guy is pretty stupid.
>>69175464
But everyone inherently knows that Reddit is a trash hugbox and that a like/dislike system discourages an exchange of varied opinions
Why did you need to post this
>>69175459
Man of Steel and BvS
>>69175427
>He's just calling it like he sees it - vapid, pointless, and cynical.
He has threw a lot more accusations than that, claiming CW failed to do things it never tried to do in the first place. It was less like a critique of the movie and more of an opportunity to rant
>>69175461
It is one thing to make shitty films but the author is being absolutely pretentious by claiming Marvel is making more than just shitty films
>>69175225
Do you really think a room full of businessmen would not consider the possibility of injecting something of their own into what is surely going to be seen by millions if not billions of people?
>>69173372
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>>69175556
Again, the directors call it a political thriller. Judging its politics or psychology is fair game
>>69175555
I don't remember first person segments in MoS
>DCucks so ass ravaged they need a old gay nigger to echo chamber their opinions
>>69175500
It wasn't a meme. The truth hurts, for the plebs hate what he does not understand.
>>69175520
You're the one who is so mad you gobble up whatever contrarian nonsense you can to feel like your opinion has any legitimacy.
>>69175590
Sure but the main focus of this movie was merely to entertain, not some deep and serious films that usually premiered in festivals. I can see the need to critique the politics and psychology but some parts is going overboard such being mad at Black Panther and his bodyguard or queen, or at the 'multiracial' team that it undermines the whole essay.
>>69175683
I don't even disagree with what he's saying, I'm honestly more or less in agreement. But the fact that he can make all these amazing criticisms and then praise Snyder goes to show his lack of consistently. He's clearly well educated and he knows what he's talking about. But if you're going critique the Russos and Marvel on the basis he's doing and then praise Snyder, that shows a lack of consistency and either indicates a lack of self-reflection at best or at worst paid contrarianism.
>>69175647
They were quick, but they were there. Mostly during fight scenes. I remember a couple in the Smallville fight that are from Clark's POV, and others that, while not specifically a character's first-person view, still evoked that effect by snap zooms and camera transits.
>>69175775
dont tell that to me
Tell that to the directors, tell them to start calling their films "movies to entertain" instead of political thrillers
>>69175556
A movie can be about things and be shitty at the same time, these things aren't mutually exclusive. Civil War is obviously not devoid of content, it has identifiable politics, character drama etc. but Armond argues that it's all handled poorly not just in filmic terms but intellectually as well. Like the movie isn't committed to taking its own content seriously or expressing anything worthwhile on the subject it chose.
One of the few Armond reviews that's not complete bullshit (except for his unfortunate praise of BvS).
Capeshit is much more politically motivated than anyone gives it credit for. These shits just churn out capitalist and conservative ideology and no one notices.
>>69175948
>These shits just churn out capitalist and conservative ideology and no one notices.
Tell me more.
>>69175852
I think the problem is you fail to see Snyder's brilliance
>>69174209
mind if I save this?
>>69175889
Were the directors wrong to call it a political thriller? Sure
But tell that reviewer that if he is going to be so mad that he wrote a huge essay about CW having "pointless, decadent scene of the year" just because the directors claim it is a political thriller, he should been that way when the comic books came out back then. Right now he is just an old man ranting about what is hip and current to sound deep and anti-conformist, but only come across as pretentious, contrarian and attention seeking
>>69174209
Well done, good sir,
>>69175939
>but Armond argues that it's all handled poorly not just in filmic terms but intellectually as well.
I can understand criticism for the former but the latter is rather needless as CW never tried to sound deep about the whole political side. Berating it for the latter is a low hanging fruit.
Also the reviewer spent wayyyyyyyy too much time on the latter instead of the former.
>>69174704
>White has frequently praised the work of Bay ... over that of more critically acclaimed, art-film-styled action directors such as Christopher Nolan.
I want to cum deep inside this sentence.
>>69175972
>we need independently operating, powerful, rich white men to establish morality because the government is too weak to actually fix anything
This is pure conservatism. Not to mention that in almost all capeshit, the villian always represents the threat of someone upsetting the currently dominant political or moral ideology. This villainization of political change is, again, pure conservatism
Isn't this the guy who put 50 Shades of Gray on his top ten films list?
Do we actually take him seriously?
>>69174147
>power without oversight is tyranny
Unless Cap has that power, apparently.
Capeshit is literally Twighlight for boys. It is intended for adolescents and Chinese market appeal.
Why is it taken any more seriously than cartoons? I dont know.
i don't get it.
how come it's so good and universally praised when it has the very same mistakes like BvS?
what the actual fuck? disney's marketing is actually that good?
>>69176194
>we
If you want a homogeneous hugbox and are asking others to make up your own mind there's another site more suitable for you.
>>69176194
No, but it's good hate-fuel. His critiques are written intelligently enough that, out of context, can be misunderstood to be serious and justified complaints and not the rantings of a certified moron who wouldn't know good story telling if it hung him from a tree.
>>69176297
>when it has the very same mistakes like BvS
Mistakes like what
>>69176297
I have no idea, but it's an interesting look into human nature, isn't it?
My guess it's the tone that plays a major role. When a movie goes for a serious tone, mistakes become more visible. When you go for Marvel flick tone, I don't think people care about dumb mistakes, because no one truly expects it to be any more coherent than a Saturday morning cartoon.
Civil War celebrates infantilization of culture and not growing up
>Critics and fanboys love it
BvS depicts what is necessary to sacrifice to become a man.
>Critics and fanboys make Snyder a pariah.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
>>69176182
That's not the message of Civil War.
Civil War is about individualism vs collectivism, with neither side winning the argument.
The villain is about changing the system, and ultimately succeeds in his endeavor (something the movie makes clear at the end).
>>69176151
>CW never tried
You said it. Intellectual entertaiment is not a contradiction, maybe you're imagining them as physical substances that can't fit into a finite container at the same time but that's obviously false. When a movie could've been better but wasn't, one isn't wrong to point this out as a flaw.
>>69176413
BvS, like Civil War, is a celebration of the initialization of culture. If anything, it's worse because it plays at being deeper and richer than it ever is.
Cheering on either of them is cheering on the downfall of western civilization, not that you give a fuck other than to make jabs at "the other side" (while not realizing the only winning side is growing up).
>>69176495
>BvS tries to be intellectual and entertaining
>fails at both
>Civil War tries to be entertaining
>succeeds
From the perspective of "does the film achieve its goals," Civil War is a better movie, but it's all capeshit.
>>69176476
The fact that the one changing the system is the villain is still exactly what I'm talking about. Whether or not they're successful doesn't matter.
As for the "individualism vs collectivism," themes, I agree with Armond. They're not at all fleshed out and completely dropped after the second act for more Cowboys and Indians tripe.
Capeshit is propaganda.
>>69176531
Growing up and enjoying good movies aren't mutually exclusive.
>>69176262
Cap and Tony are both total hypocrites
Thats the point, its just too deep for you to understand
>>69176641
Tell that to Armond White
>>69176692
CW isn't a good movie. That's where our opinions differ, and it's fine.
>>69173428
The profound Man of Steel is visionary, moral art? How does one take this guy seriously? He's an extremely skilled troll, nothing more.
>>69176611
He's not even really a villain, though. He kills two innocent people, sure, but the movie tells us that the Avengers kill hundreds of innocents. Ultimately, his whole plan isn't evil.
>>69173372
>The Trashing of a Generation
They're TRASHING our rights, man!
They're TRASHING the flow of data!
They're TRASHING! TRASHING! TRASHING!
HACK THE PLANET! HACK THE PLANET!
>>69173372
>He likes BvS but he hates CW
Meh, another DCuck
>>69175852
Glenn?
>>69176978
He hated the nolan joints and green lantern. He also doesn't like every snyder film.
try again faggot
>>69175993
Or you fail seeing brilliance in Snyder
>>69173402
Onnnnn point. RDJ ability is so fucking wasted
>>69177072
>He likes BvS but he hates CW
>>69177206
>he likes a good film but hates a bad one
wow what a surprise
>>69173372
>>69173402
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>>69173540
how can marvel even recover
>>69173540
Russos work don't feel by the numbers but a tier even lower than that. They totally have some control in the shoddily edited action scenes and performances but the rest comes off as amateurish
>>69175668
>>69177072
>Jonah Hex
>Snyder's owl movie
>G.I. Joe
>Revenge of the Fallen
>Almost every fresh movie has a negative review and every rotten movie has a fresh review
He's totally not contrarian, guys!
>>69177206
Patrician as fuck.
>>69177330
>agrees with the mainstream more than half the time
>contrarian
>not reading his reasonings
ARMOND CAN DO NO WRONG
BOW TO YOUR KING /tv/
>>69177265
smart anthropomorphic amphibian
>>69177265
Neither BvS nor CW are good.
>>69173372
>projecting current politics, including the current election, onto a movie based on a comic from 10 years ago and a movie scripted 3+ years ago
OK, Armond
>>69173428
>Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
Fucking based Armond
>>69173428
>Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
HAHAHA
HOLY SHIT
THIS MAN IS A LIVING MEME
>>69177388
Exactly this. BvS gets the upper hand due to the study of its iconography. CW doesn't even get to be basic with its politics. More thought provoking stuff has been seen on your Saturday morning cartoons
>>69173989
>RDJ
>>69173428
>Civil War exploits recent political trends such as Black Lives Matter. Black actress Alfre Woodard (whose portrayal of a comically psychotic wench was the only convincing characterization in 12 Years a Slave) appears as a grieving mother who blames Stark — standing in for the Military Industrial Complex — for the death of her child, a promising youth with a 3.6 grade-point average. Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
>literally has HE WUZ A GUD BOI AN DINDU NUFFIN, smart black man calls them on it
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>>69177494
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this was to appeal the BLM movement but fell off in its face
>>69177265
>BvS is a good movie
>Despite the absence of rythm in the first middle, the editing that has to be solved in the extended version, the plot-holes, the immoderately and exaggerated symbolism, the controversy with some characters, the negation of Superman as main protagonist...
>>69173540
Can anyone post a spoiler of thos movie, like how they did with BvS
>>69177594
>superman as the main protagonist
>batman's name is first in the title
>>69177343
>Patrician
>Capeshit
Yeah, last I heard, BvS was going to win the Palme D´Or
>>69177580
>>69163415
/tv/ called them out on it too, a pair made in heaven
>>69177629
Nobody cares about your marvel's toy story 4. don't come into threads you aren't ready for
don't come onto this board if you arent ready either
>be American watching civil war
>Watching movie all you fucking hear is bags of food being eaten
>Literally the last time I go to the movie theaters.
>>69177723
What did you expect of capeshit
>>69173372
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>>69173540
Talk about missing the point/the post
>>69173372
>It’s the ultimate sentimental cynicism when Captain America’s devotion to his dangerously conditioned childhood friend Bucky/Winter Soldier (Sebastian Stan) — who represents war’s emotional cost — is used to evoke ambivalence toward the military, while Stark’s authority celebrates the Military (and Hollywood) Industrial Complex
But Cap opposing to Sokovia Accords and Cap protecting Bucky are two things that are
independently and Cap will do despite the fact the other one didn´t exist.
>>69178031
>I love shoving marvel's dick up my ass
This movie wasn't very good. Talk about way too many characters who have no motivation to be there.
Best thing about it was CGI 20-some Robert Downey Jr.
>>69178060
that's your problem should get that fixed.
>everything is political and an allegory to something
Why do americans try so hard to look intellectual all the time? Just sit the fuck down and watch punches and explosions.
>>69173372
Lemme guess? Le contrarian nigger?
>>69173498
>Note the scene where Black Widow, played by the white, ultra-sexy Johansson, is confronted by Black Panther’s aide, a Nubian queen with fore and aft protrusions and powerful swagger. She threatens Black Widow: “Move or you will be moved!”
White Queen never moved blacks BTFO!
how big is armond white's cock? post pics if you have it
>>69173428
>Woodard’s “Who’s going to avenge my son?” shamelessly taps the illusion of Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, and Tamir Rice as Boy Scouts and potential Rhodes scholars. That’s way out of bounds.
Goddamn, this is just weapons grade bullshit.
>>69174261
>He's not a contrarian
Also whats with all the homo stuff around this article he wrote?
>The offensively named Black Panther
Can't believe you guys are on this faggot SJW side.
>Oh my god! He's black and his super hero name has "black" in it! Goddamn it white people! >:(
>>69178224
>Capeshit isn't pandering to my stage 10 ass-fracture about Trump
Gee, you're saying a movie designed to sell toys and please fanboys isn't a political statement piece?
STOP
THE FUCKING
PRESSES
>>69178224
>"They look good together because Affleck’s puffy-chin adult petulance (recalling his role as TV’s Superman George Reeves in Hollywoodland) may be the moodiest performance he’s ever given while Cavill’s virility (so chiseled it may well be from another world—the world of Sean Connery knock-offs) fits him to yin-yang completeness. Their confrontations disprove the delusion that men cannot make love face-to-face, the same way men fight. (Gay political pundit Andrew Sullivan makes a cameo appearance protesting “Every act is a political act!”)
Ignore all that Internet nonsense against Affleck’s casting; he’s a warmer presence than Christian Bale’s stoic Batman who, at best, seemed a selfish lover. Check The Brothers Grimsby where Sacha Baron Cohen jokingly referred to the henchman played by Scott Adkins as “Ukrainian Ben Affleck;” it certified a hotness type. And smoldering Cavill wears the Superman uniform like a second skin. Costumer Michael Wilkinson’s brocade Superman suit is successful fetish gear—textured fabric with sequin octagonals invite you to touch that thin line between drag queen and stud. Male intimacy in this film gives new meaning to the old phrase “iron fist in a velvet glove.”
If fanboys don’t cream to Batman’s dream sequence (“It took me to the lie, a beautiful lie” Wayne says), grown-up gay men surely will. In his dream, Batman wears a leathery mask, hiding his identity, while he is taunted by wasplike creatures and forced to acknowledge Superman’s equivalent virility. This goes beyond Guy Ritchie’s boy-boy teasing in last year’s The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (which co-starred Cavill). It is the most surreal dominance-submission dream in Hollywood history. But Batman v Superman is also a political allegory, using masculine sex appeal to examine America’s current political confusion. Zack Snyder’s comic book avatars are not for children."
What the fuck, DCucks?
>>69174275
Too bad "points for effort" doesn't work in real life. You either do it right or you get shat on for doing it wrong.
Marvel films consistently do what they mean to do. BvS failed hard at what it attempted to do.
>>69178127
Just turn ur brain off bro
>>69177655
Can´t be two main protagonists in the same movie?
Spiderman, in 20 minutes, has more phrases than Superman in the entire movie
>>69178224
>But... But... HE´S not a fanboy of BvS, We promise!!!
>>69178402
>BvS failed hard at what it attempted to do.
If you're a simpleton.
It's like this guy can't understand that comic book movies aren't made for pseudo-intellectual niggers.
>>69178440
he was also 6 gorjillion times funnier.
>>69178479
Prove him wrong and don´t ad hominem
>>69178224
>>69178253
DELETE THIS
>>69178479
Unfortunately, BvS's failure has nothing to do with me as a single person. Nice try though.
>>69178127
>just turn off le brain XD
Way to prove his point, imbecile
>>69178338
>wah I feel insecure about sexuality
Confirmed for closeted homo
>>69178656
I guess if you like BvS it makes you a homo lol
>>69177629Zemo frames Bucky for bombing the U,N, the Black Panther's daddy dies in the blast and we get our Mufasa moment with a character we don't know and barely sympathize with in any way besides him being the wise old king, Zemo then waits for Bucky to get captured so he can show up and play commie brainwashing password with him because reasons. This scene's pretty retarded, because it depends on Zemo's EMP bomb being delivered precisely on time and him being in precisely the right place when it goes off. Bucky escapes, Cap, Falc, and the Panther chase him. Cap and Falc get Bucky and he tells them about the other Winter Soldiers, info that probably would have been a good idea to email literally anyone with at literally any point before it became an issue. Then Bucky and Cap need to steal a plane and go to the Winter Soldier facility to stop Zemo from releasing them because they're so badass they can topple any government overnight without anyone ever even knowing it was them(they actually say this). This leads to the airport fight.
Nobody dies. Rhodey gets paralyzed after the Vision drops his spaghetti and somehow misses the Falcon, who somehow dodges A LASER, that hits Rhodey who then falls before anyone can reach him. It's the only moment in the film that comes close to actual emotion.
Then Zemo goes to Siberia to kill the other Winter Soldiers with absolutely no way of knowing who'll show up to stop him(they think he's freeing them). By sheer luck, the three exact people he needs show up for his big reveal - the video of Bucky killing Tony's parents, which, again, is info that Steve could have told Tony at any point at all after Steve found out about it at the end of Winter Soldier. Much fighty fighty ensues.
Panther takes the high road and doesn't kill Zemo, who apparently thinks he's "won," somehow, and Zemo and all the Avengers that didn't sign the accord end up in General Thunderbolt Ross's "top secret" submarine prison and Cap springs them.
>>69173372
>name orders
>Chris Evans, RDJ, ScarJo
so Evens gets more money than RDJ?
>>69178626
>his point
You can't dictate purpose onto someone elses creation. If the creators of this film never intended it to be an allegory, a retarded critic can only pretend it is. The whole "death of the author" viewpoint is lazy as shit unless you are trying to force your own opinion.
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>>69128743
>A reading from the Acts of Man of Steel
>Scene 2:13: Selected passages
>3 And I heard a loud voice from the cinema saying, "Look! Snyder's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Snyder himself will be with them and be their saviour.
>4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more repetitive or safe or cheap comedy or quips, for the old order of Marvel movies has passed away."
>13 And so they hated him, and persecuted him. The critics crucified him and threw rotten tomatoes at him.
>14 But he persevered and gained strength from the audience, and so we will persevere.
>15 And he stands by the right side of the spirit of Kino, and draws inspiration from it, and so will his followers.
>22 During the filming of the port battle at Batman v Superman, Snyder was found wandering along the port.
>23 In one of such instances he walked on water while carrying an IMAX camera on one hand, which greatly terrified his cast and crew at that time.
>24 Affleck, out of fear, shouted "Snyder, if it is you, tell me to come to the water!"
>25 "Come". Snyder said.
>26 Affleck stepped on the water and walked for a few feet but then sank. He cried out "Snyder, hast thou forsaken me? Save me, oh dear brother!"
>27 Immediately Snyder reached out his hand and caught him.
>28 Snyder exclaimed, "Bin Muhammad Afflecki, why did you doubt?"
>29 And so the heretic one vowed to spread the word.
>>69173402
>Thus, Marvel’s various superheroes appeal to teenage rebellion: Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), Falcon (Anthony Mackie), War Machine (Don Cheadle), Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner), Vision (Paul Bettany), Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), and the others personify juvenile sensibility.
Why is Rhodes included there? Also, Vision realized that he made a mistake for blindly trusting emotions, which caused Rhodey's fall.
>Fear of growing up is implicit in both the devious terrorist plots of supervillain Zemo (Daniel Brühl), who harbors childhood dreams of vengeance
The fuq?
>>Despite the supergeeks’ arguing either against working for the restrictive capitalist government or for their own sense of doing right and correcting injustice, the fact is, nothing here has gravitas. Civil War is politics as adolescents misperceive social/global crisis. This has been going on for so long (ever since Hollywood realized the bounty to be had in cajoling comic-book culture’s ready audience; since, say, the 1978 Superman film, then 1989’s Batman) that, by now, the brainwashing is complete. The trivializing has grabbed such hold that when a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder deepens comics lore into visionary, moral art (the profound Man of Steel and Batman v Superman), many fanboys, and critics, react with anger, resentment — and ignorance.
...
> Civil War furbishes aggression simply to excite viewers who are as programmed as poor Bucky.
I got confused there. Is he saying Cap was defending Bucky? He just wanted a fair trial and to find the other soldiers.
>>69177655
>Movie is named Captain America: Civil War
>Cap is the least interesting thing happening
>Takes a backseat to two cameos and a guest star
>Released everywhere else BEFORE AMERICA
I guess the question is "who's the bigger manchild?"
>Fanboy that goes to capeshit to be entertained for a couple hours to escape the doldrums of real life.
Or
>Pseudo-intellectual nerd that needs his capeshit to have a deeper message and real world political relevance.
I haven't seen BvS or CW, but if I do I am not going in with higher expectations then I would for Wrestlemania.
>>69173540
>It’s the most pointless, decadent scene of the year so far. Directing team Anthony and Joe Russo work by-the-numbers, staging blurry, undecipherable action and rounding up extraneous Marvel characters Ant Man (Paul Rudd) and Spider Man (Tom Holland) for comic relief. It’s rebooting on top of rebooting simply because fanboys love a reboot; that’s how pathetically indoctrinated we’ve become.
No one rebooted Ant-Man, and everyone was against Spidey reboot before they released the trailer. There are people that wants the old to come back for some reason.
>it lacks the magnitude of Batman v Superman’s soulful contemplation of wounded people who are torn and fighting against themselves.
Both were the same shit.
>>69174118
I fucking love you!!!!
HAHAHA
>>69173372
>>69178726
that poster sucks
>Evans name first. he gets more money than RDJ?
>lineup isn't in the right order, they should face whom they fight most in the movie
>>69173402
>Is it overreaching — or being humorless — to recognize and critique a piece of entertainment that takes America’s schism lightly? Will fanboys — or for that matter film critics — ever understand that Marvel Studios has engineered a cultural coup that prevents viewers from thinking? How did we get here?
Armond is pretty hit and miss with me, but this is 100% on the money.
>>69178778
>Released everywhere else BEFORE AMERICA
I love it when Americans are butthurt.
Armond can't be contained anymore.
Let him destroy Marvelshit and jumpstart the Capekino Age.
>>69178789
Just a heads up, but if you go into BvS thinking you're going to get the typical dumb cape villain, you're going to miss a lot. Even in the theatrical release, he's got scenes set up as vignettes. They're there to make you question his veracity at a pivotal moment.He never monologues his actual plan to anyone.
>>69178725
>Zemo then waits for Bucky to get captured so he can show up and play commie brainwashing password with him because reasons. This scene's pretty retarded, because it depends on Zemo's EMP bomb being delivered precisely on time and him being in precisely the right place when it goes off.
That wasn't luck actually. And Zemo wanted to show that Cap was acting like a retarded.
>Rhodey gets paralyzed after the Vision drops his spaghetti and somehow misses the Falcon, who somehow dodges A LASER.
His EXO-Googles allows him to have an enhanced vision. Vision was distracted due to Wanda.
>Then Zemo goes to Siberia to kill the other Winter Soldiers with absolutely no way of knowing who'll show up to stop him(they think he's freeing them).
He killed them after they came.
>is info that Steve could have told Tony at any point at all after Steve found out about it at the end of Winter Soldier.
Cap didn't know. Zola implied that HYDRA caused their deaths, but he never mentioned Bucky.
>>69173402
>Fear of growing up is implicit in both the devious terrorist plots of supervillain Zemo (Daniel Brühl)
What? Growing up past your entire family being killed?
>>69179053
Me too. It just further highlights how we're getting cucked out of our own pop culture and eating still eating this shit with a smile.
>>69179090
How do we know Zemo wasn't lying about his motivations too?
>>69178789
Yep. Capeshit is like fast food. Trying to turn that into a fancy gourmet meal is stupid.
BvS is some tryhard bullshit that ultimately fails to be smart and fails to be fun. CW realizes what it is and makes it work.
>>69173372
>This morning, the members of the New York Film Critics Circle, including me, voted to expel Armond White, the former critic of the now-defunct New York Press (and currently the editor and movie critic of CityArts), from the group. To me, it was a sad moment – pathetic, really, though Armond brought it on himself. A week ago, at the Circle’s annual awards dinner, White made a rude and bellicose spectacle of himself, as he did the year before, by heckling one of the winners – in this case, Steve McQueen, the director of 12 Years a Slave, a movie that White, in his review, had dismissed as “torture porn.” Make no mistake: He has every right to dislike 12 Years a Slave, a movie that he considers not a powerful historical docudrama but a sensationalist feel-bad fantasy that is subtly designed to make white people feel good about their own guilt.
>>69177395
>Every act is a political act.
>>69174147
>Damn it, Tony, this Registration Act represents surrender, not global safety! The cost of doing what's right is high but it's a price I'm willing to pay. Maybe I'm acting selfish by protecting Bucky and The Avengers' autonomy, but....
>lol nevermind Nazis are behind everything imma go punch em!
The second one never happened in the movie, and both the accords and Bucky's plot were separated.
>>69179191
That’s a provocative view of an acclaimed film (Armond tosses out provocations like grenades and eats acclaimed films for breakfast). But last Monday night, during the awards ceremony, when McQueen got up to the podium to accept his award for Best Director, there were loud and disdainful comments coming from White’s table, and a number of witnesses who were within earshot quoted him as calling McQueen an “embarrassing doorman and garbageman,” and saying, “F— you, kiss my ass!” White has claimed, to writers from The Hollywood Reporter and The New York Times, that he wasn’t heckling, that he and others at his table were just talking amongst themselves. (He has also denied that he said any of those words.) But I was sitting about 40 feet away from him, and though I couldn’t make out everything that was said, I can testify: Everyone at my table lurched around to see where the loud, jeering, disruptive comments were coming from. This unquestionably fit the definition of heckling. It was all meant to be heard by the room at large. When White later claimed that his comments were “sotto voce” (a musical term that literally means “soft voice”), he was either lying or lying to himself, or perhaps both.
>>69179211
>The reason that the whole incident, to me, was sad is that Armond White is a critic I have defended, and at times championed, for being an extraordinarily vital voice: not a soft one, to be sure, but a demanding and even important one. As a critic, he is passionate, perverse, furious, infuriating, insightful, obtuse, humane, ruthless, fearless, out of his gourd, and, at his best, outrageously exciting to read. A lot of people despise him, because he can be a bully in print, and he wears the I-stand-alone perversity of his opinions far too proudly, like a military armband. Yet much of the dismissal of Armond is itself way too dismissive. He’s an embattled critic, but one who is often at war with the lockstep tendencies in our culture, and that’s a noble crusade. Sure, there are days when he says that a Transformers movie (or a bad Brian De Palma movie) is superior to anything by Richard Linklater or Steven Soderbergh, and you want to go, “Enough, stop!” But there are other days when he slices through the piety of adoration that surrounds certain movies. He’s a reckless master at unmasking cultural prejudices.
>>69179176
I honestly thought civil war was as humorless and tedious than BvS. but at least the latter had better ideas.
>>69179191
So he's a literal child himself? Isn't he a bit too old to be heckling Oscar recipients?
>>69179252
no it didn't
>>69179247
>When you want to read a critic, it’s often because something in his or her voice inspires and incites you far beyond their good judgment (or lack of it). You want to crawl inside their head. You want to see things the way they do, even if you don’t agree with them. I’ve often remarked that I agreed with Pauline Kael even when I disagreed with her more than I did with other critics when I agreed with them. White, who idolizes Kael, is capable of provoking that kind of response. Not that I’d really compare him to Kael; he’s more from the take-no-prisoners literary-terrorist school, an heir to Lester Bangs and the young-gun James Wolcott of the ’70s Village Voice. When you read Armond, he isn’t always reasonable, but at times he’s something more enticing. He parades his unruly, belligerent perceptions like hardcore psychological rock & roll.
>>69179208
>I can only post RT scores like it actually means something because I'm completely braindead
wew lad, calm down
>>69173428
>a genuine pop artist like Zack Snyder
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>>69179270
Yeah it did. You could use your brain for once in a while, it is quite beneficial.
>>69179273
>Does Armond White simply have his own idiosyncratic opinions? Or is he a contrarian, a bomb thrower who’s deliberately out to rile people up? I would say that both are true, but for most people the contrarian label sums him up, and you often can’t tell where the fearless free-thinker leaves off and the bullying, didactic iconoclast begins. And that’s the problem with Armond’s criticism. He writes like he’s the last honest man in America, but contrarianism, by definition, isn’t completely honest. It’s self-hype, designed to provoke a reaction. I truly do believe that Armond White comes to the vast majority of his opinions honestly. He’s a gay African-American fundamentalist-Christian aesthete, and if that doesn’t make him an individual, I don’t know what would. But it seems to me that Armond, over the years, has become so invested in the idea of how different his gaze is from everyone else’s that he has turned individuality into a species of megalomania. The subtext of too many of Armond’s reviews is: Only I see the truth! And it’s that need to be the only truth-teller in the room that, too often, seems to be driving him. A lot of great critics have anger – it was there in Kael, and in Lester Bangs – but Armond’s blistering attacks reflect not just anger but rage. That’s a dangerous place to write from.
>>69179131
>That wasn't luck actually. And Zemo wanted to show that Cap was acting like a retarded.
Was that bomb set to a timer or set to go off when the recipient opened it? In either case, Zemo couldn't guarantee where he'd be when it went off unless he triggered it. If it was a remote, I sure didn't get that impression from the read-out.
>His EXO-Googles allows him to have an enhanced vision. Vision was distracted due to Wanda.
His goggles give him 360 degree vision? The Vision could have altered the trajectory of his shot to avoid friendly fire by just moving his to the left or the right a few degrees.
>He killed them after they came.
That doesn't change the fact that he'd have no way of knowing exactly who was coming after him.
>Cap didn't know. Zola implied that HYDRA caused their deaths, but he never mentioned Bucky.
Cap admits to knowing. It was in the file the Widow gave to him at the end of Winter Soldier.
>>69173402
>First Stark represents the wealthy aristocratic and the military industrial complex
>>69173498
>Now Stark represents Bernie Sanders
No coherence in Armond critics
>>69179306
>I’ve known Armond White casually, as a fellow critic, since the early ’90s, and seeing him around at screening rooms, movie-industry parties, and, yes, awards dinners, what I’ve always observed about him is that as contentious as he can be on the page, he has always come off as a strikingly friendly person – not only to me, but even to critics he’s bashed. For all his bluster, he’s got a hearty, understated demeanor, a twinkle in his eye, and a gentle jolly chuckle. You can talk to him about a film he’s disemboweled on the page (one that you loved), and he’ll say what he thinks, but the words always come out a lot mellower than what he wrote. I suppose that could make the more forceful torrents of his writing look scarily “compartmentalized,” but the way I’ve always seen it, Armond cared, to the point of anger, about art, but he was a civil and even gracious person because he recognized that even the people whose work he didn’t respect (filmmakers or critics) were human beings. When he went kamikaze on the page, he was acting like the critic version of a performance artist, transforming his opinions into scalding drama (which is part of what critics do).
>>69179355
>Yet this all began to come crashing down at the New York Film Critics Circle awards dinner back in 2011, when White was chairman. Emceeing that year’s awards, he insulted several of the winners from the podium (introducing Tony Kushner to present the Best Picture award to The Social Network, he said, “Maybe he can explain why it won”), and then, last year, when he was no longer chairman, he heckled from his table in the same way that he did this year (at the time, the object of his wrath was Michael Moore, to whom he yelled “F—- you!”). And now that he has done it again, what’s become clear is that Armond White’s “contrarian” impulses have slid over the line from being things that he thinks into a depressingly established pattern of reckless uncivil behavior. Ultimately, the two have nothing to do with each other. Words and ideas are one thing; actions – destructive ones – are another. White has the right to believe, and say in print, anything he wants. But disrupting a public event is a squalid form of acting out that has no defense. And that’s why he was kicked out of the New York Film Critics Circle: because of a disturbing, and arguably disturbed, pattern of stubborn misbehavior.
>>69179156
We don't. Any clues to his plan having failed? Would be awesome, but let's just say I highly doubt there are going to be any stingers.
Wow that was a chore to read. Is there a more pathetic yet pretentious career than film critics?
>>69179397
>What’s bizarre, and distinctive, and revealing about this situation, however, is that Armond obviously feels that he has the right to disrupt a public event. He’s not just a mindless crank tossing dumb insults from the back of the room. He’s a mindful crank who has turned the trumpeting of his opinions about movies into a form of (un)civil disobedience. He believes he’s justified because he thinks he’s the only truth-teller in the room. But that suggests that he’s a critic who’s now getting high on hate, and bringing that impulse out into the open. A lot of the people in the room last Monday night could hear Armond White, but in another sense he has stopped being a critic who anyone can hear. His writing and his heckling have merged into the sound of one hand clapping for itself.
>His writing and his heckling have merged into the sound of one hand clapping for itself.
>His writing and his heckling have merged into the sound of one hand clapping for itself.
>His writing and his heckling have merged into the sound of one hand clapping for itself.
>All these salty DCfags slurping dick this hard
>>69179425
he's an attention whore, always has been.
>>69179424
Pauline Kael. And he worships her.
>mfw Evansposter is so triggered that he is mining wikipedia.
Seriously, you Capefaggots don't belong here, the Marvelcuck strain in particular.
>>69179304
no it didn't you mindless pleb.
>>69179577
>mining wikipedia
lol
http://www.ew.com/article/2014/01/13/armond-white-kicked-out-of-ny-critics
>>69178953
Are you fucking real? Do you and the critic really attribute to some movies the power of remove the rational capacity? Do you believe a movie genre is the main problem of the thought of our generation?
If MCU prevents viewers from thinking, why are we discussing the film here and in other posts? Why this critic has detected some analogies in the movie with the real life?
>>69179280
yeah a consensus of over 130 reviewers across the country and internationally don't mean anything right lol keep digging you sad sad man
civil war was good bruh
>>69179577
>th-th-they're making fun of my meme!
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>>69179191
What the fuck? Why are DCucks clinging to a numale cuck "critic" who spergs and lashes out at members of film production?
>>69179411
I hope.
>>69179341
>Was that bomb set to a timer or set to go off when the recipient opened it? In either case, Zemo couldn't guarantee where he'd be when it went off unless he triggered it. If it was a remote, I sure didn't get that impression from the read-out.
If i remember correctly, Zemo had a remote with him, maybe to trigger the EMP when the box is opened.
>His goggles give him 360 degree vision? The Vision could have altered the trajectory of his shot to avoid friendly fire by just moving his to the left or the right a few degrees.
Yep, remember his gimmick.
>That doesn't change the fact that he'd have no way of knowing exactly who was coming after him.
Got me there. I've been thinking about this for some days, maybe that's why he left clues.
>>69179634
It's recursive. The dumber we let ourselves become, the dumber what we'll unquestioningly accept as entertainment.
A few decades from now, a lot of loud noises and bright lights set to dubstep will be hailed as a cinematic tour de force.
