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>RESOURCES
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>CARD SEARCHING
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
http://www.magiccards.info
>altering perfection
>>48303916
>Implying there is only one version of perfect.
>>48303912
The art's nice enough, but the text is fucking atrocious. Really though, what >>48303916 said
>>48303912
That alter looks like shit
>>48303927
That's... kinda her whole shtick, actually.
Anyways, the art ain't bad, but something about giving Elesh Norn a face just rubs me fundamentally the wrong way. It'd be like changing Bolas's oddly humanoid face into something overtly draconic. Wouldn't look bad, but it sure wouldn't look like him.
>>48303912
>>48304009
>I built 3 decks and had a lot of fun despite convincing my friends to play only once and then never again.
Huh. Too bad you didn't have any luck convincing them to play again.
It looks like it would make for an interesting set to play commander with, like it would make for an interesting change, reasonable deck prices using the legit cards means I might be able to get some new friends that don't currently play magic into the game, and I'd be glad to not see any more fucking Sol Rings, as well as many of the other top tier mana sources.
So I built Yisan for fun because I had some OK green goodstuff rolling around.
Then I made a mistake and went to play and got hated for playing "HC" "too competetive" yisan as commander.
So since when does a mono G commander been "must be hated from the start of the game" or am I missing a thing since imo his tutorin is feelish slow to be that nuts.
Anyone else built a commander without being aware that commander had a reputation?
>>48304050
>>48304470
got a list senpai?
>>48304470
With the mulligan change Yisan can be one of the best decks in the format if you built him right.
>>48304470
>he doesn't remember when Rofellos wasn't banned
>>48304499
Mulligan change? What did they change?
>>48304488
sorry dont got one since the deck is just a bunch of OK green creatures/ramp/tricks with ETB effects from my collection.
As in the most expensive card in it is Green sun zenith.
>>48304473
Unless I'm quite mistaken, that is Bolas prior to his awakening as a Planeswalker. Note how he also lacks his traditional accessories such as his stole and horn-gem-thingy (to use the technical term). And honestly? If you just cropped the face and asked someone familiar with the modern depiction of the character to identify him based on that they probably wouldn't peg him as Bolas.
But I digress. My point was that - Bolas aside, and perhaps I should have chosen a character with no capacity for shapeshifting even if he does usually maintain a consistent look - the above art looks so little like Norn that I honestly wouldn't even identify that character as a member of the Machine Orthodoxy, let alone its praetor. Again, it's lovely art, but it ain't Elesh Norn.
>>48304545
Officially commander now uses a standard mulligan+1free instead of partial paris.
>>48304641
Huh. Wonder why they made that change. Seems strictly worse to me.
>>48304661
Cuts down on hand-crafting from combo decks
>>48304661
That's definitely a better mulligan. I don't want any more Jace, Hand Sculptors. I play combo, and I welcomed the change. I'm still mad about tuck rule though, and I still play without it with my wife.
>>48304988
Tuck effects were mostly Blue and White, which are already strong in EDH. Considerations of game balance aside, 90% of the players I know put their commander in a different sleeve than their deck, and that's not even starting with the ones that use Oversized Promo Commanders. Admittedly, there are ways around that but pretty much no one keeps the 100th matching sleeve lying around.
It's a practical change.
How would you run this fucker without selling your kidney
>>48305099
Everyone had the sleeve laying around when tuck rule was still on, if the commander already wasn't in the same sleeve.
I have NEVER met anyone that used oversized card, aside from planechase and I used once big Brion Stoutarm card I have, but it was a shitty experience and never again I used them in the game. They make some cool bookmarks, though.
The change wasn't made out of practicality, but because muh commanders and because rc thought that you must have access to your commander at all times, because bad deckbuilding is apparently healthy for the format. Oh, and also Prossh, Derevi and many other commanders need to be more degenerate and harder to remove
>>48305166
If you're going to play werewolves, you want flash effects and permanents with activated abilities. You want to be able to spend your mana without casting anything.
>>48305185
>Everyone had the sleeve laying around when tuck rule was still on, if the commander already wasn't in the same sleeve.
We have had outright conflicting experiences.
>>48305166
Why do you want to use that? It's not destined to be useful in EDH.
>>48305223
I'm an autist and I want to play with werewolves
>>48305209
Well, I feel for you. Around here no one complained about the tucking and literally no one was happy when tuck rule was introduced, except for the smug Derevi faggots that said that it's a good change.
People acted like it's a part of the game and expected it to happen and almost everytime people were not-babies about it.
>>48305253
Then play it. Just don't use the one wolf that prevents your werewolves from transforming back, unless you don't care about the trigger that happens when he flips upwards.
>>48305295
It sounds like something that was a lot more popular in casual circles, then. I've been in about six different playgroups with varying levels of competitiveness to them. Everyone in the more lax groups hated tucking regardless of their commander.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/molimo-voltron/
Help me please, /tg/.
>>48305352
The more casual players hated it, but usually never complained about it. Salty players were always salty anyway.
The more experienced and competitive players never minded, as the commander usually was only one wincon, over half of the time it was the last resort, like plan C or something
>tfw you want to build multicolor decks but you haven't finished all of your monocolored decks yet
What mono B or G commanders should I make?
>>48305404
Mikaeus and Seshiro
What cards would be most affected if you were allowed to treat Hybrid mana as either/or for color identity purposes?
>>48305562
Every single one of them, but fulminator mage would be so huge in omnath of rage.
![shadowmoor_beseechthequeen[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jlJAF4f.jpg "shadowmoor_beseechthequeen[1].jpg")
>>48305562
Expect to see Beseech the Queen everywhere.
>>48305166
I learned the hard way that werewolves really suffer in 3+ player games.
>>48305166
Well it comes in as an 8/8 and flips as a 10/10 so building it for commander damage isn't a bad idea, although that doesn't mean that he'll be good.
If you do want to do it, grab enchantments which grant things like board wide haste, double strike, etcetc. Your other creatures, if you insist on using Werewolves, just grab the werewolves.
Your other good pickups should focus on things you can't block - Silklash spider, for example, deals with flying and avoids hexproof, while Yeva Nature's herald makes for a good speed booster (and honestly, is probably a better commander).
If you were to pick one Legendary creature to build from
>Commander 2012 (Wedge)
>Commander 2013 (Shard)
>Commander 2014 (Mono Color)
>Commander 2015 (Enemy)
Who would you pick?
Mine:Ghave, Jeleva, Titania, Daxos
>>48305562
The Lieges get to be played in monocolor decks
Fulminator Mage gets more love
Guttural Response can be used in green
Depends on if you can count the (2/X) hybrids as colorless, cause then everybody will run Beseech the Queen as a 6 mana tutor
Honestly why even bother? Most of the hybrids are inferior versions of mono color cards in either of their colors, the other 80% that feel multicolor absolutely need the two colors they're hybrids of to work.
TLDR fuck off MaRo
>>48305768
2012: Mimeoplasm
2013: Mayael
2014: Freyalise
2015: Mazirek
is it cheating if i'm working on a mayael deck right now
>>48303912
You know, Eight and a Half-Tails is probably the only commander I'd like an alter of. Not because his face looks really weird even by Kamigawa-kitsune standards, but because he's only got eight tails in the artwork. The reason he chopped half of one off is that he was indirectly responsible for the Kami war, and that's really fucking significant. Dammit Bader, I wanna see that half-tail.
>>48305777
2 is generic mana and many commanders already have those in their costs.
>open Nahiri and Emrakul at the prerelease
>strike while the iron is hot and immediately trade both for a Dark Confidant
>effectively paid $25 for a Dark Confidant and a bunch of random new cards
reminder to meme on standard kiddies as hard as you can with slanted, inflated price tag trades
do NOT trade or sell your Eldritch Evolutions, they're going to explode in price value in the coming months
>>48306183
>his commander only costs TWO generic mana
>laughing_titans.jpg
Anyone experience what I am going to call "deck dilution?"
Wherein you are building many decks because you want to try running certain spicy combos or cards, but there's often overlapping color and so many shared cards between the decks it just starts to feel like more effort than its worth. Or you start running a deck just because you want to surprise your group with a particular combo "hur hur, won't they see how clever I am!" or "I gotta do this before one of them discovers it!"
I think I've been suffering from this lately. Four decks with WGx is too much. Gotta find one I like the most, even if it means abandoning the chance to go crazy with Aura Shards or play The Great Aurora on a board flooded with tokens...
>>48306383
>tfw you want to build like 8 decks but you have only 3-4 copies of certain staples
>>48306439
>>48306383
>tfw you want to run a legendary creature as its own Commander, but it's in mono-W and would probably work better as part of a UW deck
>>48306383
Keranos MLD Control
Gaddock Teeg h8bears
Gitrog Monster combo control
Maelstrom Wanderer (then do it again)
i sometimes feel like the keranos deck is just redundant, but all of them other than maelstrom wanderer are dedicated 1v1 Duel Commander lists
not much color spillage, they all do their own thing in different ways despite three sharing green
>>48305166
he's not good in a werewolf deck, nor are werewolfes good. I think he's great at the helm of a midrange fight-centric deck.
>>48305768
Ghave, Nekusar, Daretti, Kaseto. I've built all of them and they are/were all pretty fun. Nekusar got really good really fast though.
>>48303978
>Not "Slam all creatures on the field. They cannot jam with the rest."
Just how important is the balancing of mana in your deck? Do you like have equal advantage for all or a little/lot more for another
>>48306609
Up to this date I still don't understand how the inner slices mean or represent cmc's
>>48306884
If you click the little slice, it will highlight the cards it's counting towards. Overlapping bits are mana sources that can produce either color.
Bobo EDH. Tell me your thoughts. Combo Unrelated.
http://www.mtgvault.com/phobes365/decks/bobo-edh/
>>48303978
>tfw you Krosan Grip a Divining Top
Is there a more reliably great feel in all of MtG?
>>48307380
flash speed enchanting a creature with infect and causing it to make your opponent die.
>>48305185
>you must have access to your commander at all times
>hurr, what is the point of a commander
>>48305777
Because literally the entire purpose of hybrid mana is that they can be played in decks that have either color, except in edh because ???
That's why every hybrid card has effects that can appear in either color.
>>48305359
Cut half your creatures. I really don't think you need so many land fetching cards either, you'll be drowning in mana with half of them.
>>48305768
2012: I've already got a Mimeoplasm deck, so if not him, Animar.
2013: Jeleva. I had an Oloro deck built but that lifegain per turn is just too disgusting.
2014: Oh yeah, the walker-sets. Probably Daretti just because I like artifacts and stuff.
2015: Meren. I bought Ezuri and I regret my decision slightly.
>>48305768
2012 - Mimeoplasm
2013 - Mayael
2014 - Feldon
2015 - Newzuri
>>48307478
That's not very Green.
>>48307380
sticking a wurmcoil in a mimic vat and flooding tokens every turn with a sac outlet while countering removal
How to make nekusar without making it rely on the same old nekusar shit?
Post memelists. Gonna probably build either Anafenza or one of the Selesnya decks (Leaning towards Selvala) next.
>>48306884
cmc doesn't have anything to do with it. The inner part of the circle is the colored mana you can produce, and the percentage of your landbase that can produce it. So the guy's example shows that around 45% of his land base can produce blue mana. The outer ring is the color requirement for the cards your're running, so likewise, around 45% of his cards require blue mana to cast. The divisions within the inner slices mean slow mana, which are the lands that provide colored mana, but enter tapped. Things like shocklands don't count since you have a choice in whether or not they enter tapped, but guildgates will always be represented by their own little slice of slow mana.
>>48308332
This probably needs a bit of updating, and I'm also really considering Bruna as a general.Yes, entirely for meld shenanigans. Problem is making a monowhite deck that isn't dependent on general in the least...
>>48307380
Rishadan Porting the only land they can untap with a winter orb on the field. The salt is delicious.
>>48308332
>>48307380
Guttural Response/Pyroblasting an overloaded Cyclonic Rift.
>>48308332
>Skeleton Ship
My nigga
>>48305768
mimeoplasm
derevi
daretti
mizzix
>>48308545
You got a Shu-Yun list my nigga?
ALL ALTERS ARE CRINGEWORTHY GARBAGE
NEVER FORGET
>>48305768
it was commander 2011, not 2012, that had wedges
there was no commander 2012
anyway
2011-Animar
2013-Marath
2014-Freyalise
2015-hate all of them too much to pick
>>48308332
we dont play much anymore, tired of the salt from you know who
>>48304681
Oh. Fair enough. The potential degeneracy of that hadn't occurred to me. Never actually run into it.
I'm actually fine with the removal of tuck effects. You can still lock down commanders for a while using other cards, such as darksteel mutation.
Can you gauge the measure of a man by the commanders he plays?
>>48306383
No, because the first few time I play with a deck is a bunch of printed color pieces of paper in front of lands/playing cards, or is a bunch of printed card stock with nothing behind it.
In some cases I never buy the physical cards, and instead trick out the deck with custom rendered cards I made in Photoshop.
Typically starting with the commander, but also for consistent card border styles, and sometimes I change the art to match the theme of the deck.
![Selvala, Explorer Returned [CNS] [PR] [Borderless].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m9zmJ7A.jpg "Selvala, Explorer Returned [CNS] [PR] [Borderless].jpg")
>>48309563
Commander
![Claws of Gix [USG].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Txaurmy.jpg "Claws of Gix [USG].jpg")
>>48309563
Borders
>>48309563
And, I suppose, with pretty renders such as >>48309587, I *Could* make my commander oversized, but I like being able to put my cards in sleeves, which is why I instead took the time to make standard-card-sized planechase and vanguard cards for our playgroup. (Not new cards, just custom renders)
>>48309711
And here's an example Planechase render.
When I made the Vanguard card renders I was thinking that using the planechase borders was a good idea for the nonstandard cards.
When I was making the planechase cards I was thinking they should look more like normal cards.
I may redo one of the two in the other style, but I haven't decided which style I'd use for both.
>>48309711
>>48309762
Oh yeah, because all of our decks are commander decks these days, when we feel like using vanguard cards or planechase decks, we do so with our commander decks.
>>48305777
As an Azusa player, I'd love it if I were able to play this thing.
Especially since I play 50+ lands Azusa.
>see this
>what do?
>>48310299
There's easier ways to pull off that combo bro
So how does everyone feel about Hanweir Garrison? I'm thinking about putting it into my Boros deck as a cheaper alternative to Hero of Bladehold and Brimaz, King of Oreskos. Triggers Mentor of the Meek as well.
>>48310299
Krosan Grip
>>48310576
It's one of two Meld cards that's not shit, even if the other side is.
>>48310446
getting 2 2cmc and 2 3cmc cost artifacts on the table isn't that hard.
>>48307710
>drowning in mana
That's the point. Did you read Molimo?
>>48310576
It vaguely annoys me. Though that's mostly being called a 'Garrison' and all being about attacking.
It's a decent card in and of itself.
Just pulled a scarred puma
pretty powerful cant wait to put it in my omnath for some early hate
>>48310299
Why bother taking extra turns when you can just make it so no one else can use their turns instead?
>>48311093
why pass your turn when you can just take another one, while making infinite tokens, gaining infinite life, wiping the board and drawing your entire deck if you have Drogskol Reaver or Oloroß
>>48311268
Because my combo set does literally all of that, but without the extra turns part?
Though I'd have to temporarily bounce the portal in order to draw cards, I guess.
>>48311340
yeah, but your combos consist of 13 cards on the board I need 4 and one (spine) in hand.
I run Lattice/disc/forge too of course.
>>48311340
that's a horrible Arcum alter btw.
>>48310797
Uh yeah, I just don't think it's necessary to get more when you've already got a ton and you need to cut cards somewhere.
>>48306236
>m13 rolls around
>new to magic
>buy a bunch of packs because who needs to ease into a new hobby
>open thragtusks left and right
>sell each to standard players for $25 of cards a pop
>build collection
>thragtusk is worthless now
Thank god I had a friend who knew how the Magic market works, otherwise I'd have gotten nothing.
>>48311399
But what about my 25/25 trampling commander damage?
>>48311367
Arcum gets all of them. First is Clock of Omens, then it's Lattice, and that lets me tap my lands to get pretty much everything else in one turn.
>>48311385
I know, I need to remake it and actually take more than 10 minutes to do it.
>>48305768
Ruhan
Marath
Nahiri
None, fuck all of them
>>48311618
Add Might of the Oaks and Accelerated Mutation if you can fit it in. You should be able to cast them pretty quick with all that ramp and they each give your guy +7/+7
>>48311618
I don't think you'll have a problem getting that high. You can always play test it to see.
>>48311622
friend of mine plays Arcum and while the lockown is definetely happening pretty fast, you need to run arcum as commander and even then you won't get it earlier then t4
why did it spike to 13 dollars? I was thinking about building it
>>48306134
its that black stuff in the background
I'm a dumb waifufag. How should I build a Teysa 2.0 deck?
>>48311786
no that's a bonsai
>>48311771
Because the set still hasn't released, so prices aren't reliable. Wait 2 weeks and I guarantee you that it'll be under half of that price. Especially since Grafwidow isnot good.
>>48311093
I have to wonder what WotC was thinking when they made Possessed Portal.
>>48311811
oh good call
yeah thats weird, you'd think the 1/2 tail would be visible
still doesnt justify fucking alter though
alters are for subhuman trash
>>48311340
>How are you assembling these cards during a game in any kind of reasonable timeframe?
>How are you not dying to all the hate you're drawing right out of the gate?
>>48311993
1) By grabbing them in an intelligent order that lets me grab them all on the 3rd turn of Arcum being out.
2) By no one else playing as fast, and countermagic and lightning greaves to protect Arcum.
>>48311909
>alters are for subhuman trash
Get your head out of your ass.
Alters and custom renders are fine, so long as they look good.
>>48309587 looks way better than pic related.
I have no idea at all why you'd be salty about it.
>>48312042
>countermagic and lightning greaves
You'd definitely need it in my meta. After the first time they saw your lockdown, every game would consist of 5-7 players dedicating most of their removal to making sure he doesn't stay on the board for longer than 10 seconds. Literally everyone runs removal, crippling enchantments like darksteel mutation, and boardwipes, unless they're running lots of counterspell, in which case they're running lots of counterspell.
name some cool wincon cards for this fuck
I already got
>Master of Cruelties
kinda winconny but not really
>Ignition Team
>Herald of Leshrac
>Sewer Nemesis
>Thief of Blood
I don't have much of a gameplan besides controlling my opponent and beating them down, which works fine in 1v1 but not so great in FFA.
do you guys think it would be possible to build a control/lockdown commander deck that operates similar to Ivan Floch's blue white control deck he won pro tour 2015 with?
what i mean is a deck without win conditions that handles everything until the opponent concedes.
is it possible? propably with pic realated?
What are some good commanders if i play in a control heavy maeta and just want to play fuckblue.dec
currenttly thinking Ruric Thar or Riku
>>48312147
>every game would consist of 5-7 players
Disgusting.I usually stick to <=4 player games.The deck is also significantly better than most decks the people I play with have, so I almost never play the deck anyways. It's a deck that's fun to show off once, maybe twice, but not a deck that's fun to play with or against repeatedly.
>>48312241
Sometimes a 4 player game happens, but 5+ is more common.
My commander group is my RPG group, and it's a large group, and they're typically visiting for a whole weekend.
Smaller games tend to be the "until everyone's awake" time-fillers, and I usually miss those because I can't handle two days full of gaming on a regular basis with like 3 hours of sleep each night like they can.
>>48312233
Sure, why not. Most of my wins come from opponents scooping,because I like to play stax and my favorite tactic is to steal permanents, and no, I know what you're thinking, but I'm super pale Finnish guy
>>48312196
Karmic Guide + Reveillark.
Kiki-Jiki + Village Bell Ringer.
Helps to have a backup to beat down.
>>48312428
otherwise great but getting kiki-jiki and reveillark would add about 40% extra to the price of my deck
oh well maybe it's time to buy puff daddy and annoy the shit out of everyone
>>48312495
Just get the karmic guide combo then. Reveillark is $8, surely you can trade something for that.
>>48312527
>surely you can trade something for that
yeah an 8 dollar bill
this will be my first EDH deck and i haven't bought a booster in my life. i'm already forced to perform some major mental gymnastics to justify buying this 80 dollar stack of cardboard
does that combo do anything besides allow infinite stuff on the table? i guess you could use goblin bombardment and say "ok i make combo and you all die gg no re" but i don't know that's worth a 10 dollar investment considering it won't even be fun. none of my friends are playing meme combos like that so i don't want to be "that guy"
i was hoping to get some cards that are tough but still somewhat sensible, like ignition team and master of cruelties
>>48312638
>8 dollars is a lot meme
Do you niggers just not have jobs? I got my first real job a year ago, and on the rare occasion I want something, I just go and buy it.
>mfw seeing bads bitch about my mana crypt being "too pricey"
>>48312673
This. I work for slightly above minimum wage and I'm in college and I still find money to waste on this game. It helps that all I spend on is MTG and video games, but games are so cheap nowadays that that's hardly an expense.
(I still think mana crypt is too pricey though)
Oooh, someone's playing EDH.
But that's silly! How can you play EDH if you don't know how to build decks?
>>48312233
Build a prison deck make it so their creatures cant attack or block, make it cost them mana to attack you and stuff that makes their stuff enter the battlefield tapped
>>48308332
>>48309563
Can you link to a good template? I tried a year ago to make print outs, but the sizing was never right.
>>48312673
>>48312730
i can think of a better use for 8 dollars than a piece of cardboard with text on it. you could buy a homeless man a pizza with that kind of money.
>>mfw seeing bads bitch about my mana crypt being "too pricey"
you sound like a douchebag to be honest, not everyone wants to spend that much money to win in a childrens card game
>>48312780
Not that guy but
https://m.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ry2r8/mtg_making_proxies_for_fun_a_guide_to_making_card/
Has alot of resources
This guy is good too and has links to card galleries and templates
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NFgjJC2etz0
>>48312837
>you could buy a homeless man a pizza with that kind of money.
I guess we should all live in little shacks where we spend only on the necessities and donate our excess income to charities and social welfare programs. I like Magic. I think it's fun, so I'm willing to spend money on it considering it's one of three or four hobbies that I have.
>>48312858
Thanks. I invested about $25 in translucent sticker paper, and planned to wipe the ink off penny cards and apply the sticker paper to the now blank cards, but my sizing was never right.
>>48312868
i can appreciate your viewpoint but that isn't the point i'm trying to argue
this argument won't go anywhere anyway so i give up
Tg, help. I keep playing this guy 1v1 and getting slammed, either to gave token spam or to some variety of combo. It's killing me because I don't have the tools to compete with the staples he brings. I have a mayael deck but that's basically it. I don't want to play combo myself, but I want to bring the slams. What do tg? Preferably in RWB, but I'll take anything at this point.
>>48312889
Its a pretty good process that guy uses, you can get 9 cards per sheet and once you have the template loaded its as easy as getting the art and sizing it to match exactly then repeating
>>48312914
Me: 512332
Anonymous internet people: 0
>>48312936
Ya, I believe his process was the exact one I used. I just slipped up on the last part about sizing. Oops.
>>48312977
Yeah i was the same, wasted a few sheets of decal, the remplate looks goofy in photoshop but its perfect when printed
Anyone have any experience running kaseto voltron? how does it perform?
>>48313025
That must have been why! I vaguely remember the template looking too big and stretched on my CV screen
>>48312239
Surrak Dragonclaw.
>Planar Chaos the card fucks them while your creatures come in no trouble
>Ice Cave ensues politics and makes sure you get your dudes out
>Sphinx of the Final Word is seriously fuckyoublue
>Ramp and Eldrazi.
>>48312638
>justify buying this 80 dollar stack of cardboard
>Like you have to buy the cards to play the game
Unless you have EDH tournaments or something, then fair enough.
Pic Related. They handle pretty similarly to official cards, they look good, I can do custom renders if I want to, they're not going to pass as official cards from closer than like 3 feet away even though they're very clear. Plain white backs makes it obvious they're not official cards. Entire playgroup has a mix of proxied decks and purchased decks. Typically if I spend on mtg its just a draft, not buying singles or boosters.
The proxied decks typically run us like $15 in printing costs. I may soon buy my own color laser printer, since I get a lot of other stuff printed in color too, at which point the price will drop even more.
>Like you expected something not called "pauper" to have tiny entry costs when using actual cards
Pauper Commander is a format. Decks are typically < $30. You could consider playing that if you don't want to spend much but do want to use official cards.
Pauper Commander is not the only Pauper format, either.
>>48313205
>proxying dollar rares
How Jew can you get?
>>48313205
my friend group has a no proxy rule on the basis that someone once saw someone else play a volcanic island as a proxy and that was scary. another explanation was "everyone would just netdeck the most powerful deck with the most powerful cards if proxying was allowed". i asked the person if he thought i would do that, and he said "well not really but you still can't do it"
i guess my friends would feel like their cards would be worthless if i proxied up some shit i don't feel like paying for
their refusal to budge on this is basically the only reason i'm not sure i want to buy the deck to play with them. i'd be sort of interested to see if they would actually kick me out if i showed up with a proxy reveillark. at that point i would probably get very upset and it'd become very difficult to be friends with them anymore
>>48313205
Same bro
I went out and bought a $3000 toyota and put a ferrari badge on it, painted it red and put cardboard spoilers and racing kit on it, from a distance people cant tell the difference, i take it to race meets and they are cool with it
I also play 40k and instead of buying figures i just write baneblade on a piece of paper and the guys at the GW store and cool with it
And i recently bought a house, i just wrote house on a cardboard box and my wife cant tell the difference, i sold my shoes to get another box to add to it and im making my own apartment block
>>48313406
jeez it's really fucked up what buying hundreds of dollars worth of trading cards will do to a human brain
>>48303912
What's the sauce on the art in that pic? Looks hot.
Can someone explain the Karmic Guide/ Reveillark combo to me down to the state based checks so I am completely clear on it please? I just slotted the cards into my Hazezon deck and I want to make sure I can explain the combo correctly before I declare it a million times if it ever comes up.
>>48313434
Its a hobby not a life necessity, i also like flying but i cant afford my pilots licence and a plane so i dont persue that hobby, its like you are living some sort of entitled crybaby existence, id like lobster for dinner but i cant afford it so ill have steak
I really dont care if you proxy or not but complaining about people who buy product and support the game that you can play for free is kinda shitty you sould like all those kids on monile games who want to play for free then complain when someone bought a $2 magic banana that increases their attack by 2 and they cant beat them
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>>48313264
>Thinking it's all about price
>Thinking I proxy them one at a time.
I print out a deck at a time. I have a batch script that gives me pages of 9 cards, then I make those pages into a pdf, then I print those pages, then I use a paper guillotine to cut them into cards right quick, and I just stick them in sleeves.
It also lets me make custom renders, from alt. art, to full art cards, to having all the cards in my deck have the same borders regardless of which set they were printed in.
And when I'm sick of a deck, I pull it out of the sleeves and then either give it away (sometimes a friend wants to play it) or chuck it in the trash.
The "collecting" aspect of the game didnt really appeal to me anyways. I sold/gave away all my cards a couple months ago, and all I kept are a handful of decks, which at this point are all proxies.
I spend money at a draft, but I only keep the cards I might be able to sell, and thats what I do with them. The rest I just give away.
>>48313367
If you're going to proxy a deck, just be reasonable and make sure its financial value is comparable to what your friends are playing. You could print out the list on tappedout, and then you can show them the value of those cards, so they see you didn't netdeck something stupid.
Otherwise just tell your friends you're not interested in the buyin cost, and if they want you to play itll need to be a cheaper format. Again I say you could play pauper commander as a cheap alternative.
>>48313530
why do mtg fans come up with the most retarded analogies when confronted about this shit
>>48313571
Because your mother isnt here to get you your tendies you entitled millenial cunt
Fuck three color mana bases. FUCK THEM. I have better luck with fucking 5 color mana bases than this shit.
>>48312840
Hey, I am building Baby-hightide too.
>>48313571
Why do proxyfags always come and shit up the threads? If you don't want to support your hobby then don't. Don't cry when your friends don't want to play with you.
>>48313406
>Magic Cards are like a Ferrari
>Written Pieces of paper vs minis is the same as cardboard vs cardboard.
>Cardboard Boxes are like houses.
Are you literally retarded?
>Toyota vs Ferrari
The main value of the ferrari is showing off how much money you can spend on a car. Do you see magic as a way to show off how much money you make? I see it as a card game.
>Paper vs Minis for 40k.
You *Could* use paper I guess, but isn't the whole point of 40k the minis? A more apt comparison would be custom sculpted minis instead of GW minis. If you could make your own minis that looked good? I'd think that was pretty cool. I wouldn't whine about it.
>Cardboard Box vs House
These things cannot be functionally interchanged. You must just be retarded for this one. This example isn't comparable at all.
So we've got an argument about showing off how much money you can throw away, an argument that misses the point of the game in question, and an argument of two things that aren't even comparable.
How are any of those at all like using custom printed cardboard vs artificially price-inflated printed cardboard? They play the same.
Unless you think mtg is about showing off who spent the most on their deck, in which case - get your head out of your ass, it's a fucking card game.
>>48313564
i'm not planning on proxying a deck. the deck i'm looking at right now is around 85 bucks. 15 of the cards form about 50 dollars of the total price of the deck, and are pretty much vital if i'm planning on actually winning with the deck. perhaps the decision to pull the trigger would come easier if i were more experienced or more interested in the trading card aspect, but that isn't the case. this is my first EDH deck and i'm building it on my own.
my friends are playing decks in the 100-150 dollar range. i asked one friend who has a 20 dollar card not to play it (mostly as a joke) and he immediately got mad. so even though my deck is cheaper, they won't let me proxy 10% of my cards. i'd gladly spend that 50 bucks i'd save to buy them all snacks for the next 3 sessions but i guess they'd rather see me give money to some mtg pawn shop instead
i think people who play magic just get their brains melted eventually. just look at this guy who's throwing what looks like an incomprehensible tantrum over card games >>48313406 >>48313530 >>48313628
my friends are pretty normal outside mtg but this game just makes them throw out all logic and fairness out the window and it's all "i paid for my cards so i get to win, proxying is cheating" while still proclaiming "edh is a casual format haha, just relax, your deck doesn't need to be good"
>>48313667
don't reply to me again please
>>48313688
Don't ever post again, please.
>>48313703
don't reply to me again?
>>48313684
People do proxy in 40k and it's fucking annoying as shit. They mainly use just the bases with some markers. It's way worse in 40k than it is in MtG though because the proxies in MtG at least look like real cards.
>>48313684
>Unless you think mtg is about showing off who spent the most on their deck, in which case - get your head out of your ass, it's a fucking card game.
Yes, that is part of the TCG (Trading Card Game) experience.
>>48313501
What is there to explain? All you need is a sac outlet.
>Sac Revielark
>Death Trigger
>Get Karmic Guide and 1 other 2 power creature
>Karmic Guide ETB trigger
>Bring back Revielark
>Sac Guide and Revielark
>repeat forever
>>48313667
>Dude has friends who play casual magic.
>He's not interested in investing in the game.
>I mention that he could just proxy a deck, or play a cheaper deck/format, and that these days I basically only proxy decks for constructed because I can't be assed to collect and sort the damn cards anymore, in addition to artistic flexibility you wouldn't get with purchased cards.
>If you don't want to support your hobby then don't.
I pay to draft. That's buying product. I just stopped seeing the official product as something I give enough of a shit about to collect, and instead see it more like buying a hamburger. At the end of the draft, any cards I have will be sold or given away to anyone who wants them. I haven't played standard, modern, or legacy in years, and haven't wanted to. I don't have any interest in tournaments, or FnM. I just play casual EDH games with my friends, and draft once in a while.
>Don't cry when your friends don't want to play with you.
Once I realized I could do this so easily, most of my friends started doing it too (except the guy who actually plays in tournaments and FnM and whatnot). It also got half a dozen other friends we could game with, who occasionally wanted to play cards while hanging out, but had no interest in getting any more into the hobby than that. Their buy-in to play is now like, $25, including sleeves, and they're on a level playing field with everyone else.
In short, it has been nothing but positive to our gaming experiences.
>>48313716
Don't post again, please.
>>48313809
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>48313828nice meme
>>48313805
>getting new people into mtg
rrrrreeeeeeeeeeee
>>48313718
Ugh. Jesus. Yeah, no. Playing with customized painted minis is the whole point of a minis wargame.
I don't care if you're using the official minis. I care that you have an army of decent looking, painted minis, that fit in the appropriate sized bases so the game rules work.
>>48313768
Well, have fun with that I guess, whatever works for you. I just want to occasionally play cards with my friends; I'm not interested in a financial dickwaving contest. I dont want an edge because I spent more, I want us to all have equal chances at winning based on luck, deckbuilding skill, and ingame strategy. Hence proxied EDH and drafting.
>>48313876
i agree with this post
>>48313688
I feel you bruh.
If you're not looking to get into the financial investment collection part of the game, don't.
Best of luck with your group, sorry your friends are dicks when it comes to mtg.
If you're not going to proxy (it's what I'd do, proxy something in the same price range, but my friends wouldn't spaz out about it).
You might seriously consider pauper commander, again. All commons, with a common or uncommon as your commander.
And draft/sealed have the benefit of not being in any way pay to win, as does a cube or cubelet.
Brings the deck costs down significantly.
>>48313828
>implying
>replying
>denying
>crying
>pic related
>>48313999
what the fuck's an iunt
>>48313957
Cubes are great
>get all your friends together
>buy 1 box of each set in a block
>sleeve that shit up with 250 basic lands
>separate into "booster" piles
>play draft
>shuffle and repeat, play that shit forever
Did it with the rtr block, shit is great
>>48314024
(You) went full retard
>>48314067
Yup.
Though instead of buying boxes, I prefer a curated list, with no doubles.
But even just drafting a set again and again, using boxes as you suggest, would be a lot of fun.
I did a Conspiracy draft one time. Had all the cards, with the same distributions of c/u/r/m, and 4 of each common. Shit was pretty great. I can see why he proxied it though, it would have been a huge pain to try to buy a complete drafting set. He probably would have, if there was an easy way to just buy the whole set that way though.
>>48313957
Not him, but here's my thing:
I don't proxy, and I don't care for it. If you want to play, just play. You don't need expensive cards in your deck to win or have a good time. The most fun I've had playing EDH is raiding the dollar bin, and beating expensive decks using my dollar jank is event more fun. There's a challenge to it that isn't just building some cookie cutter list. The most I've ever spent on one card for a deck is maybe $20 when I really wanted something, and I have to play against shit like $2000 Wander with Mana Drain, Crypt, Vault, Force, full ABU + Fetches ect.
By proxying, you're actually limiting yourself by limiting your creativity. I used to proxy, and I'll be perfectly honest: the games felt hollow. I've been playing EDH since the first precon sets, which means some of the cards I own have spiked since I got them, but one of my favorite and most powerful decks still costs around $200 according to tapped out. That might even be less because I haven't updated it in awhile, and it might be using different prices. I didn't spend $200 on the deck. Instead, I built it out of things I had lying around, and then spent maybe $20 on a few obscure singles I wanted, which is how decks should be made.
>>48314194
>>By proxying, you're actually limiting yourself by limiting your creativity. I used to proxy, and I'll be perfectly honest: the games felt hollow.
weirdly enough this makes a lot of sense to me, even though i was planning on proxying some stuff soon. there's some weird inauthenticity and cheapness at play when you play a card something that you didn't commit to really acquiring
i was a diehard proxyfag but you've more or less converted me
how did u do this
>>48308924
aye
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shu-yun-spellslinging/
just know, this deck is fairly casual and doesn't do too well in multiplayer
How to build spellslinger?
>>48313828
Dont talk to my shit or my sons shit ever again
>tfw I have a foil force of will and wanna keep it for foiling out my deck, but feel like a retard to not sell it.
Why does this thing have to be 500 dollars?
>>48313667
>If you don't want to support your hobby then don't.
Reminder that buying singles does not support WotC making more sets. You'd have to buy boosters and fatpacks and decks and the like for that.
>>48314194
>I don't proxy, and I don't care for it.
You're entitled to your opinion.
>You don't need expensive cards in your deck to win or have a good time.
Depends what you're up against, and your budget, but sure.
>I used to proxy, and I'll be perfectly honest: the games felt hollow.
That hasn't been my experience.
>I built it out of things I had lying around, and then spent maybe $20 on a few obscure singles I wanted, which is how decks should be made.
That's how I played back in the 90s, and how my friends played. It's basically a form of limited. Now you can just order your list online if you're willing to pay for it, so that's not really a thing anymore. You're basically building a different format than everyone else if you do that.
As the game changed, I lost interest in FnM, and lost interest in the collecting. If I have any cards, they're in a deck. Other than the official 2009 planechase decks which I have kept together, my constructed decks are now 100% proxies.
If I had some friends who wanted to start up a deckbuilders kit league, or a box league, or something, where we can reuse the decks, or build from a controlled limited pool, I'd be up for it, and I'd go buy a box. (Even if that meant we had to record what we got in the box so people could be sure we werent cheating by getting outside cards). if someone wants to draft, I'm up for that.
But no limits constructed? Fuck it, proxies. For balance, include a price cap, so if someone wants to buy their cards to use elsewhere they're not outclassed.
Hell, even just price caps makes for interesting changes. If your deck has to be under $20, or your deck has to be between $30 and $60 and no cards can be more than $4, or whatever, you're going to be building from very different pools of cards.
>>48314353
He's describing the benefits of playing something like limited or sealed. I'd play limited or sealed against other people who are playing limited or sealed. I'm not going to build a limited deck to play against a netdeck. That's not a good time.
>>48310576
I'm gonna put it and the land in my Zada. Not sure how often I'll actually meld, but the pieces put in work on their own. Also adding otherwolrdly outburst, man this set was nice to her.
>>48314353
No falseflagging please.
>>48310299
no worries bro I play stony silence
>>48313028
Is that a girl vampire with a dick?
what the fuck?
>>48314459
Dont fall for the foil meme
Sell it and get cards you need
>>48311093
Let me play you the song of my people.
Golgari is my favorite color combo in smaller formats, but I can't find anything that really speaks to me in commander for the color pairing. Who should I play?
>>48314534
I will, however, say that limited can be a lot of fun due to the creativity and level playing field involved.
Some form of limited commander might be fun
>>48314583
Nice meme bait bro, been here all summer?
Here is your free (You)
>>48313028
>Gaddock Teeg
mah nigga
I feel like I am in a deckbuilding rut.
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>>48314583
Pretty sure she's supposed to be holdint her dress, though I'll admit it's poorly drawn
>>48314640
Its supposed to be her leg, but they fucked up.
>>48314640
>>48314655
The artist noticed after the fact and resent a fixed version in but Wizards had already printed the cards so it was too late
Starting to finally get shit I need online and I heard about Pucatrade. Although everywhere I go people seem to be incredibly north or south with it. Some say it's great, others say it's dogshit and a pyramid scheme.
How is Pucatrade really? Good? Bad?
>>48314459
Do you really feel the need to be a special snowflake in the special snowflake format?
>>48312233
Blue white enchantments. Dovescape, solitary confinement, humility. Sit there doing nothing until everyone scoops.
>>48314676
Its an easy fix too. 5 minutes in photoshop. Too bad. Hopefully if they ever do a reprint they fix it.
>>48314636
looks like you gotta mix up your color choices a bit
build a mono blue, or G/U deck
i recommend a Vorel of the Hull Clade deck because it'll still be really swingy, which is what it looks like you like to do
>>48314850
>Too bad.
Olivia's dick is a national treasure, how dare you.
>>48314850
If I ever run a deck with herI'll fix it before I print the proxy
>>48303912
Best alters ive seen was a guy on ebay sellinh alters of staples, he pretty much just drew a big ejaculating penis in blue pen on them and was selling them for double the price, nothing funnier that seeing a foil karn with a blue veiny dick over the text box
>>48314944
people weren't actually buying, were they?
>>48303912
Altered art you say?
>>48314987
Im pretty sure they were, he was doing it to random commons too
>>48315128
How do I make Rhys the Exiled elf tribal not suck?
>>48315305
just build a nath of the gilt leaf elf deck then put rhys in front of it
>>48315257
>>48315257
I need to find this so i can burn down the entire store with the owners inside
>>48315305
>Rhys the Exiled
>Not Rhys the Redeemed
It's like you don't even enjoy a rapidly multiplying army of elf tokens.
>>48315305
>>48315378
Or Meren. She may not be an elf. But with all the sac effects you can use in Golgari elves, she lets you keep on keeping on. I've tried nath, and honestly his CMC and trying to build a token deck that's reliant on discard effects make him way too slow for what elves do.
>>48315257
Wait, how much is that meant to cost? I thought it was $12 at first, but there are three zeroes.
Do I build Shu Yun stormtron or Sen Triplets feat. Mindslaver, Worst Fears, and Newmrakul?
>>48315596
Of course it's 12k you tard. It may be shit up by ponies, but it's still power 9
>>48315596
12k
Those are tremendously expensive cards, and someone painted MLP on them.
>>48315257
They're not even well painted, they're just kind of pasted on the cards. How horrifying.
>>48315532
Why do you blame the store selling it and not the fucker who did this to these cards in the first place?
>>48312196
The only good answer is wall of blood
>>48315670
They knew what they were buying and they still bought it, they deserve to be purged in fire
>>48315257
I get that horsefuckers are a super autistic bunch that feel the need to insert ponies into literally everything, but FUCK!
>>48315695
12,000 $ they will never ever see
>>48308305
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-07-16-wildfire/
try this
>tfw when no foil ever for your commanders because
>muh reserve list
>muh 15 cent investment
Why weren't the entire Ice Age, Mirage, and Tempest blocks removed from the list a decade ago?
>>48315257
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE FUCKER REGRETS IT AND IS TRYING TO SELL THEM
>>48316505
To bad they are in poor condition now because he purposely defaced them and are no longer collector's items.
>>48316505
"Hey guys! Guess what! I'm going to get my power 9 altered! It's going to have ponies on them!
"Thats fucking retarded, why the fuck would you want to do that? You're going to ruin your cards"
"Jeez dude, I'm doing this cause I think it would be cool. I'm have these cards for my own use so I'm free to do whatever."
>sells his ruined power 9 for 8k 4 months later
> it's a retards arguing about proxies ruin a thread, again, when there's even a thread up about proxies
>>48315257
Those duals are fucked up too
>>48317120
Holy fuck, I didn't notice how fucked up they really were cause of the elephants in the room. The Volcanic Islands look like old 3D glasses.
>painting the white borders to make them look alpha/beta
Why...
>>48317175
Someone tried to make them look like the guru lands but they did a fuckawful job
I got the deckbuilding bug after playing for the first time in a while tonight, but I have no idea what to build. Fuck.
What would /edh/ recommend for a Johnny who likes weird interactions and explosive, single-turn wins?
>>48317189
Guru lands are overrated shits.
>>48314852
Thanks bro, good insight. I might just try it :)
>Used to play MTG forever ago
>Friends got into it recently and I started playing with them
>Lots of drafts, good times
>Cards start piling up, time to do something with them
>Try to convince them to pick up Tiny Leaders or EDH because I'm poor and because then we can all play together
>Everyone else dives into Modern
>Can't compete against $200+ decks
>Give up on winning and start making a EDH deck hoping it might convince them to pick it up in addition to Modern (Karona leading all fifteen gods of Theros in a goodstuff deck)
>Doesn't catch on, they stick to modern although they play against me with a handicap
>One time after a draft at the FLGS, someone asks if any of us play EDH
>Oh yay, I can finally okay my deck
>He pulls out Kiki-Jiki
>Oh, no thanks
>Don't worry, he says, it's not a combo deck
>It's a fucking combo deck
>I get #rekt
>Sell all my cards and stop playing
All I wanted to do was have fun and wave little pieces of paper around. Is that too much to ask?
>>48317459
>$200+ modern decks
Wew lad
>>48317459
The kiki guy was abit of a fag, i always bring multiple decks just incase if they are playing homebrew jank ill play mayarl big dumb stuff or vampire tribal, if its mid level ill play something like elfball or newzuri, if they being combo ill play derevi stax or prision and piss in their cheerios
>>48317459
I'd suggest pauper edh, but that doesn't help if you can't find any players.
How do you guys feel about building a deck, then lowering it's power level to suite your playgroup? It feels really bad to have to cut all the sweet cards, but I've recently been moving my Melek deck away from Storm and closer to tempo/spellslinger goodstuff by cutting powerful cards which lead to 15 minuet turns like Mind's Desire (This hurt since I have a DCI foil) and Time Spiral. It feels really bad to cut them, but I know it'll lead to more fun games.
>>48317531
I build to the groups price point, but not too their power level. If they can't into deck building that's a different problem than if they just don't have the good cards.
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