Best board wipes edition
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First for waifus aren't worth
>>48179730
I disagree.
>>48179694
What ARE the best board wipes?
Bonus points for wipes that don't touch you
This is one of my favorite boardwipes. No one ever expects a morph creature to clear the field, much less clear the field of indestructible shit. OP's is awesome too.
>>48178923
That doesn't make sense, though. The spell itself is dealing 5+2.
"If a red [stuff] you control would deal damage damage to a permanent or player, it deals that much damage plus 2 to that player or permanent instead."
Meanwhile, Furnace States "If a source would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals double that damage to that creature or player instead."
I see zero reason why it wouldn't be doubled regardless. The damage from the gauntlet would still double.
5*2 + 2*2 is the same as 2(5+2).
>>48179875
I've recently put together Sigarda, Host of Herons EDH and I'm actually rather fond of Divine Reckoning. It's great for Voltron decks, especially if your meta has a lot of token spam.
![[visibly shaking with anger].webm](https://i.imgur.com/qIdO3ZW.jpg "[visibly shaking with anger].webm")
My playgroup loves playing board wipes literally all the time.
What's a good Commander or deck style to give them the middle finger?
>>48180025
Because a replacement effect can only be applied to the same source once.
So you have two ways of going about it:
>5
>5+2
>7x2
>14
>5
>5x2
>10+2
>12
If you apply the Furnace effect first, it won't be reapplied when the +2 is added.
>>48180332
Counterspells, indestructible, and mass flickers.
>>48179694
If I already have an Omnath (not angry omnath, locus of mana omnath) deck, is it worth it to get a Kruphix one as well?
>>48180025
I think you're right, I was confused
It makes sense that the person who owns the effect of beacon of d's deals 5 damage would control the order it is replaced
>>48180332
Sigarda is good for an indestructible/regeneration theme deck, make sure you run as much slow flicker as you can, ghostway and eerie interlude are the best possible board wipe answers, asceticism can be strong, avacyn Angel of hope
Another option is Gaddock teeg, who turns off most board wipes, besides the two best cyc rift and toxic deluge, but for those you have ghostway, etc
>>48179850
want to build my waifu but the cards I want for her are so expensive
>>48180332
Vela? Make it so they know you'll take a bite out of whoever plays the board wipe.
A Voltron with Wydwen or Selenia is also an option. Let them wipe the board just to clear the way for you.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kalemne-sitter-of-faces/
Link related is my constant work in progress, all critiques welcome>inb4 32 lands, we partial paris in my group
>>48180332
Junk Anafenza, get Living Plane, Nature's Revolt, Kormus Bell, Jolreal, Empress of Beasts, Faith's Reward, Second Sunrise, and Ghostway
>mfw trying to fine tune mimeplasm before tomorrow
I already run deadbridge chant, sands of delirium, grindlock, and phenax but how do I mill myself and others faster?
>>48179875
I'm a big fan of Akroma's Vengeance. Hits everything except planeswalkers and lands and if I don't need to wipe the board I can just cycle it.
>>48180822
Mesmeric Orb
How can i improve this deck to ramp, draw, and continually put fatties on the board?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ride-the-sky-and-carry-heavy-sticks/
>>48180875
>mfw its 8 burger bucks on tcgplayer
Not much of a problem but it won't be here until after I play. Hopefully my group doesn't mind a proxy
>>48180599
hey it could be worse
>fall in love with waifu as soon as she's announced
>everyone is suspicious of her deck but I retain hope
>gets released and I customize the fuck out of it
>soon everyone realizes how great she is
>waifu is one of the best girls now and everyone either vehemently hates her or likes her
>>48180822
Traumatize.
>>48180822
altar of the brood
So I bought an English played vhati il-dal from troll and toad, and it appears to be signed? ??
Is this real life? Will reply with more images
>>48180332
Could just play Marcheesy
>>48181027
>>48181064
Is this real?
>>48181064
>>48181125
probably, look up the artist and compare his signature.
>>48181147
It looks close
>>48181183
It's real
>>48181064
>>48181125
Cards that are signed are not considered to be in Mint condition, even if the signature makes them more valuable. That's why it was considered to be "Played".
I know this isn't legacy thread but
>yfw lion's eye diamond and moat prices are receding to their original prices
>Berry is on suicide watch
>>48181125
Looks legit. Shit, yo, that's pretty neat.do you have that Vhati list?
Holy fuck, he's underwhelming. I'm really disappointed.
>>48181227
You're late nigga
>>48181249
I know, I didn't have time to look up spoiler. Still, what the fuck.
>>48180910
Bumping for answers, please.
>>48181225
I just wanted a vhati, was considering making a deck for him.
Now I have to!
>>48181271
>GW
Well there's your problem.
>>48180910
There's only so much that you can support when playing GW. Yes, you *can* get fatties down quickly, but GW plays to its strengths when it plays and makes lots of little dudes which then grow huge.
>>48180910
I feel like you'd be better off with Karametra as your commander. You're not really utilizing Sigarda as anything but a beater.
Selvala is an option that can generate gas and pseudo-protects herself since she represents a resource to other players also.
>>48179875
Best
>>48181224
feels great, man.
>>48181570
I like you. And did you know it goes very nicely with this guy? I've made people get up in disgust because of those two cards.
>>48179694
Best boardwipes? Myself I prefer either Life's Finale or Phyrexian Rebirth.
>>48181633
Of course. Jesus, I love the fact that world queller exists. I love that moment of realization your opponents get the second time you name lands.
>>48180915
I play a very hated commander as well. Unfortunately, the fact remains that Meren has to die as soon as she hits the field.
>>48181224
What about Cradle and the other ones?
>>48181765
Cradle is at $198 median right now. Don't know what it was beforehand
What'S the most flavorful boardwipe for an angel tribal deck, apart from Descent upon the Sinful?
>>48181919
Which angel tribal deck, who's the commander?
>>48181946
Either going to be Tariel or, to make things more "competitive" (as far as tribals go) Kaalia, though I literally only have angels and landfetch artifact creatures in the entire deck.
It'd basically be Kaalia, 3 artifact land fetchers and 30 angels.
>>48180005
My actual nigger.
My friends always make fun of me whenever I play a morph creature, because I own like a playset of Bane. Constant "haha I wonder what that is!" I mean, until their boards full of INDESTRUCTIBLE GOD CARDS get annihilated.
Pic related, it's the rest of the table when I bust 8+ mana to 10-for-1.
>>48181973
Well Kaalia isn't technically an Angel.
With Tariel though anything that's a RWB board wipe would do.
>>48181996
Yeah, I know Kaalia isn't an angel, though she's probably the most powerful option for an otherwise angel tribal deck, considering how strong cheating in Avacyn turn 4 is.I do run the 2 "type is angel" enchantments though.
>>48180005
It's even better with that tree of perdition in the game now. Spicy tech, I'll be picking one of these up.
Also, why does this not see much use? Just for not being a full wipe?
>>48182035
It's your call really. Truly efficient Kaalia decks are expensive so when it comes to Angel tribal for either Tariel or Kaalia it really just depends on your budget going further.
If you build Kaalia you'll probably end up wanting to incorporate Dragons and Demons in the deck though just because the power is too tempting not too.
>>48181919
>>48182061
Too slow, by the time you've spent 6 mana it's just global -1/-1 and so damnation or deluge or something are typically better.
>>48182066
Yeah, I've been tempted, though I'm mostly just building that deck as an angel waifu shiny deck with lots of pretty artworks, so Demons and Dragons joining is still far off.
>>48181946
Radiant
>>48182061
Damnit, picture didn't attach. This is the wipe I was asking about
>>48182072
>This foil will never exist
feelsbad
>>48182163
5 mana, often leaves something very powerful, and hits you too.
![Image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BGmv4D8.jpg "Image[1].jpg")
>>48180332
This guy.
They want to play board wipes? Great. You get a free yawgmoth's will during their turn.
>>48182191
Are there any wipes that don't hit you?
>>48182234
>>48182234
Cyclonic rift, insurrection, mass calcify, in garruk's wake, and a fuckton others.
So why exactly did the Kamigawa block have so many damn legendary creatures?
>>48182268
that was the theme, bra
>>48182234
Plenty. Death's Wind, In Garruk's Wake, and Cyclonic Rift come to mind
>>48182268
>So why did Kamigawa have so many black legendaries
Because the japanese are niggers
I threw together a cart of the cards for a deck and it ended up at $250 with a lot of the cards being cheaper than they usually are.
When did stoneforge hit 15
I'd like some help trying to improve this deck. I've tried to tune it a lot, but I'm not sure what I should do from here. It just feels unfinished to me. Any help would be appreciated.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/captain-facepunch/
>>48182519
the shitty templating on your card triggers me more than the charlie sheen face.
>>48182191
You choose what stays, meaning if they have an elesh norn, an avacyn, and a avacyn's pilgrim, you can force them to get rid of the norn and avacyn, but the pilgrim will stay
>go to my flgs to pick up a craterhoof for reasons
>nope, no craterhoofs instock
>pick up a few eternal masters packs, crack absolutely fuck all
>also got this
What's a non-oloro esper commander that isn't a aggro magnet? I'd really like to run this, just because, but why the fuck isn't it legendary?
>>48182519
You have a Crucible of Worlds, so run some type of LD (Armageddon/Catastrophe/Strip Mine/Ghost Quarter)
I don't think Gideon will help you all that much and then 2 planeswalkers isn't really that much of a reason to include Call the Gatewatch so i would nix both of those
I see alot of soldiers so possible cavern of souls
Land tax + Scroll rack is disgustingly good card draw for white
I don't know how lucky you've been with Entreat the Angels, i wopuld personally take it out in favor for something more reliable
Pic related is highly suggested for Iroas Commander. With it, all you creatures are unblockable
>>48182611
Yeah, but since we don't live in magical christmas land, often your opponents have only one enchantment/artifact/creature because it's powerful enough that it's all they need. Also, any deck with a sac outlet can just sacrifice their bad stuff in response. Even if you get rid of one player's elesh and avacyn, you probably leave them with a lurking predators or somethimg.
>>48182647
Sydri usually flies under the radar, most other Esper commanders are like you said though, aggro magnets.
>>48182647
Sydri.
>>48182647
That card has massive breasts and they're hilariously out of place. I'd still tap that though.
>>48182558
It was made for the Charlie Sheen joke, so I didn't really care about the templating.
>>48182654
3 out of your 9 instants are also untutorable via Sunforger so I would suggest taking a look at that
>>48182666
>>48182668
Well, there's my answer.
Is Sydri fun, or am I just better off cramming all my goodstuff into Sharuum and hope for the best?
>>48182683
Eh, I've had worse. Good, but weird, taste anon.
>>48182683
>>48182647
saggy sphinx tits
>>48182729
You can't tell sag by a picture with a bra, what are you talking about? I'm sure they're nicer than yours.
>>48182693
Also, cut Anax and Cymede. You have zero cards to activate their heroic ability in your favor. Wild Guess is also a worse Faithless Looting IMO
>>48182745
uh oh did I trigger a fat sjw that identifies as sphinx-kin?
>>48182781
>not wanting to fuck the sphinx
Come on, anon. Pull yourself together.
>>48182647
It's a mythic because it can literally win the draft
>>48182781
What? No. I just wanted to see amateur boobies on the internet and debate whether they're nicer than that sphinx's. I'd let that sphinx solve my riddle, if you catch what I'm saying.
>>48182800
Oh I want to fuck Sphinx, just not that sphinx
>>48182817
I understand why it's a mythic, it has like 8 keyword abilities. I don't understand why it isn't legendary. I would run that awful $2 card as my commander out of spite if I could.
>>48182827
God tier taste detected, assuming you're bigger than a house.
>>48182843
It's probably not a legendary because it's just a thing, not a named character. I'm kinda glad it isn't though, having an Esper Baneslayer/Akroma in the command zone sounds pretty nasty
>>48182873
>not just crawling in and out
>>48182843
Oh, I see what you're saying now. Sorry for being dumb, lol.
>>48182647
If you ran Sharuum, you could just express very loudly you're not artifact combo, you're just sphinx tribal. And then actually build sphinx tribal
>>48182875
But that's what I want! A big, nasty flying thing to sit obnoxiously on the battlefield, attacking each turn because vigilance, and also gaining me life. On the flip side, it is the perfect target for cackling counterpart or any of the other clone spells. What's worse than one fuckawful sphinx in a control deck?Another one every single turn.
>>48182519
>>48182886
It will depend on how fast you can do it.
>>48182913
>sphinx tribal
Oh sweet spicy fuck, I'd be pretty excited about that. I can't into combo at all, so people would be very disappointed if they focused their aggro on me in the first place. Unfortunately, my hydra tribal is still a thing I need to work on. Why are they so awesome in other decks, but so awful when put together?
>>48182963
>not hiring people to tie me to a pillar and move it back and forth as fast as they can
or alternatively:
>now just strapping yourself to a big stick and letting her move it
>>48182990
At this point I'm imagining you mounted on a siege weapon as a human battering ram.
>>48182963
>>48182990
>>48182886
>not letting it eat you, then have you travel through it's entire digestion system, only to come out unharmed on the other end
>>48182971
Nothing ties multiple hydras together, and almost all of them lack the crucial keyword to be anything other than beaters with occasional utility. Plus if you play more than one a turn you're wasting mana that could have been spent on the last X.
Also Wurms are better.
>>48179694
So I'm working on 8.5 Tails hatebears, and I've got basically all the Legacy/Modern relevant mono-W hatebears in a stack on my desk. Which of these is actually worth it in a singleton format where some of them may be coming as topdecks? Should I only include a handful of them and instead mainly focus on interactions with the pile of repeatable recursion effects available to the deck instead?
>>48182990
>Letting other people fuck the sphinx
or
>Being completely replaceable
On neither option you will not be able to secretly fuck the sphinx while she tries to appear calm and collected in front of people trying to guess her riddle.
>>48182971
Spicy bombs are nice when they're bombs and not the norm
>>48183026
Yes....yes....
>>48183048
sorry, Babe, not into vore
>>48183058
this is also a good idea
>>48183051
I have a few neat wurms, but I lack Worldspire most notably. What other tribals are fun outside of the standard zombies/humans/angles/merfolk/elves?
>>48183060
You're right, if my whole game plan is hydras people are expecting them. When my game plan is Mazierk sac fodder, kalonian hydra is much more surprising.
>>48183076
N-neither am I. I mean, I'm much more into that human sushi thing. Maybe Sharuum could cut you into little strips and feed you those strips while telepathically noodling your doodle?
>>48181754
>>48180915
I feel u bros
>>48183110
No
No consuming of other beings
>>48183133
But anon, what is a "being"?
And what is the "other"?
I'm pretty sure I'm eating myself in this example. I don't really want to hurt anyone, just have them artfully prepared as like a sample platter. If they're still alive, the better.
>>48182819
>that image
This shit is straight-up Ace Attorney levels of stupid.
Do you have specific tokens you prefer to use for different decks? Or just favorite tokens to use in general?
>>48183153
>what is being
>what is other
Now you're just splitting hairs. If you want to eat other beings I'm sure there's some disgusting whore on Grixis that will be happy to please you.
>>48183170
I really don't like the New Phyrexia goblins. They look way too much like Myr.
Yes, I know they are meant to look that way, but I really do not like it.
>>48183110
That's sashimi, not sushi.
>>48183170
I either order a quantity of the ones I want to use or I make my own.
>>48183076
You could just Giant Growth or something.
>>48183202
Yeah, I could probably just use some morphing spell. I was making things too difficult.
>>48183183
Oh, I already have a disgusting whore who is definitely into that shit. One day, my sweet. One day we'll sample all sorts of unwilling strangers, then share those samples with unsuspecting vegans. Then life will be good.
>>48183226
disgustingI wish she did more, revisit to New Phyrexia when?
>>48183226
The fetish is gross but I can't oppose something that pisses off vegans
>>48183226
STUPID GOOGLE. The image said 892 x 652 pixels, and I get this image for ants? I didn't even save the thumbnail.
>>48180332
combo decks that don't use creatures
>>48181266
what did you want?
>>48182268
One of the block's themes was legendary creatures
>>48183245When they do a return to Theros, and we get to see mecha-xenagod fight deep-sea horror Thassa in the middle of biomech swamps filled with glistening oil. We'll also get Phyrexian planeswalkers ala Karn, but more spooky.
>>48183251
It's only a fetish if you masturbate to it, otherwise it's just a long-shot dream. I don't want to masturbate while eating people, I just want to taste them and decide whether I like them or not.
>>48183170
>Have all the tokens I need
>Never bother to bring them because my deckbox is snug as it is
>Always annoy people by borrowing their tokensI play Teysa the Scion
>>48183296
I feel you. I usually just bring one copy of each token and slap a dice on top to indicate how many of them there are, and a second dice to indicate which are tapped.
>>48180332
Whatever can use Faith's Reward
>mfw Blood Artist into Falkenrath Aristrocrat into Wrath of God into Faith's Reward
>>48183313
I do the same thing, but I still need a bunch of creature types - zombies, spirits, soldiers, serfs, goats, you name it.
Any cool alt art tokens anyone can recommend for typical B/W tokens?
Is there a edh version of this
>>48183380
Do you have a printer m8? if so it's pretty easy to make your own.
Google whatever you want a token of or deviant art it and use a card creator.
>>48183408
I do, but not a coloured one. I might just go to a printshop then. But looking for the appropriate art will be such a pain
Is there somewhere I can go to find out the proper ratios of various things in edh decks? I mean, the obvious ones are obvious, I was wondering if there was a ratio for the amount of removal you should have, and how much ramp you should dump in, or how many counterspells are too many?
>>48183433
no way dude looking for good art is as easy as saving a funny meme image on 4chan. Just make sure your folders are organized.
Speaking of my Teysa, anyone willing to take a look at it?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/little-teysa-3/
It's been doing pretty good so far, I win the majority of my games or at least perform well, but I want to make it more spicy as well.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titania-budget/
any suggestions?
>>48183685
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/little-teysa-3/
Clearly this is an optimized deck list, what help do you want specifically?
>>48183919
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titania-budget/
What am I even looking at?
>>48183919
You're in luck this is one of my favorite commanders. Everything in your maybe board except copper-leaf should go in first of all. Also pick up the relevent panoramas you have barely any ways to sac your lands
You could also use more card draw look at edge of autumnn, harmonize, Shaminic revelation(Get this!!!), If you have one add in tireless tracker instead of seers sundial.
You're deck seems very undercut card wise is that everything?
>>48184025
Regarding my Teysa, I am wondering specifically about single target removal. I play Anguished Unmaking which is good, but I sometimes find myself in a situation when I need to remove a threat RIGHT ABOUT NOW and cannot do it without shenanigans.
Think it is viable to board in Condemn/PtE/Swords in it? And instead of what?
>>48183170
>>48183201
>>48183296
>>48183313
>>48183380
>>48183408
>>48183433
>>48183463
Am I the only person who just uses empty card sleeves as tokens?
>>48184107
No I see other people do it, it's dreadfully boring.
>>48183919
Zuran Orb, Crystal Vein, Elemental Bond, Ghost Quarter, Harrow, Triumph of the Hordes.
Avenger of Zendikar is $3, but helps give you more fodder. and tokens to power up with Overwhelming Stampede/Triumph
>>48184025
still trying to build it, dont know any real good cheap tech. trying to keep the budget under a dollar a card.
>>48184043
thank you, and no. just trying to fill it out now. difficult finding cards under a dollar for it.
>>48184142
thanks, ill look some of those up.
>>48184170
Also, lightning greaves/swiftfoot boots are both important in almost every commander deck. Pick them up if you can, and you can use them in any EDH deck you make.
>>48180332
Skullbriar, the Walking Grave is the anti-board wipe hero , haste is great too lots of ramp in green to keep it going
>mfw jin gitaxias turn 2
How difficult is this to come back from without reliquary tower or thought vessel?
>>48184257
sedris your commander?
Sekret tech
I put this nigger in most of my decks, even if its never cast i pitch it for that "surprise motherfucker" exile effect to save all my shit
>>48184308
NoDamia
>>48184308
T1 black source entomb (jin)
T2 animate dead (jin)
T3 table eats you sultai dick while you counter their removal
>tfw
>>48184257
Who keeps reliquary tower in the opening hand?
More likely that somebody comes up with the path to exile than infinite hand size
That said, they often don't come up with it and that can be game ending
>>48184196
Ive been removing greaves from alot of my decks especially if i have alot of self target effects, shroud is a double edged sword
>>48180332
>>48184474
you could T1 Dark ritual entomb - Worldgorger dragon into reanimate/animate dead for infinite mana into scooping.
>>48184196
I don't disagree with you that they go in most every deck but at the same time, I've cut them from multiple decks and not missed them
I think because my meta is more board wipe heavy than targeted removal heavy
>Set myself on making a gitgud frog deck
>Spider legendary comes out
>Think it's pretty bad at best
>Reflect on current decks and feel it might be the time for a mediocre/bad commander
>Considering going spider and using some of the land stuff for Angry Omnath.
God damnit I wish I could pick a deck and stick with it.
>>48184339
I am really fond of Soul of Innistrad in my Jarad deck.
>>48184546
>playing red
Its like you want me to lose
Commander didn't exist back then when I played and I recently returned to magic, how does this format play out? What about the 100 card deck? Is it any consistent? How different is it from modern? And how "balanced" is it?
>>48184576
I've always thought that gitrog, angry nath, and Titania all deserve to be in the same Jund landfall/dredge/etc deck
I hate the Jund commander options though, prossh is the only one with a design I like but he's overpowered as hell and doesn't fit the theme at all anyway
>>48184605
It's very different from modern
The format is naturally less consistent than others due to the singleton nature, you have 100 unique cards instead of 15-20 in your modern deck (numbers are off because of mana base but whatever, you get my point)
But you can achieve consistency through redundancy and tutors/card draw
The format seems quite balanced to me, more viable decks exist in edh than modern for sure
>>48184576
I know that feeling.
>make Meren deck
>one of my faves
>see gitrog
>that's cool, I'll just throw it into my Meren
>works well but I can also just swap them out as commanders if I want
>finished creating my Fairy Tribal
>now I want to either finish my Grixis Zombie Deck or Trostani Deck
>also have Goblins I want to make later
>also have Sharuum later
>Notice the Spider legendary
>now want to do Spider tribal
I know it won't be an amazing deck but goddammit this is getting out of hand.
>>48184196
>playing my mayael budget deck
>t2 mana dork gets countered for the lulz because naya ramp
>summoning trap
>godsire right into play
>play lightning greaves t3
>dis gon be gud
>blue players face when
At least the game was quick
>>48184638
So I take it there's no real meta for this format right? I'm not a super competitive guy, but I like to win, thus I generally don't run underdog decks, though there's an incredible amount of commander decks being brewed everywhere, would you say (assuming equal skill in making a deck from the players) that all decks perform fine against each other or there are some deck types that completely dominate over others? (think of the tier system)
>>48184704
There are two Metas for EDH:
"Competitive EDH" Meta
The Meta you create within your playgroup
>>48184704
Are you planning to play it multiplayer free-for-all or 1v1? It's a pretty different meta depending on which you are looking at.
>>48184606
Adun Oakenshield?
>>48184765
>Are you planning to play it multiplayer free-for-all or 1v1? It's a pretty different meta depending on which you are looking at.
Just wondering really, I was thinking of getting into commander for casual games and make some shitty brews.
>>48184704
Some decks only have the commander there for the color choice and they never even use it, other decks are based purely around getting our your commander and winning with it, some people look for the colors they want to play then check what commanders are in those colors, others will choose a commander then work out what other 99 cards work with it
There are powerful spike decks but usually if you show up to the table with them the other opponents will just run you into the ground and kill you first
>>48184870
all right thanks, seems alright enough.
>>48184888
It still follows the same template as other formats its just having 1 of each card means you have to consider what to use and when to use it as its your only copy
Its still the same as magic ever was
Like control? play blue
Like graveyard stuff? play black
Like boardwipes/aggro? play white
Like ramp? play green
Like losing? play red
Find a combo that suits you and look for a commander with synergy there is also alot of info on deckbuilding on youtube and such and alot of the links in ops post (edhrec and manabase crafter are awesome)
What would /edhg/ consider a fair budget limit per card for budget decks?
if you were to place a limit on yourself, for a deck, would it be a dollar max for each card? two dollars? three?
im currently at two dollar per card max, but would there be much of a restriction if it were two dollars a card?
>>48185128
$2 seems good, is class any of my decs under $200 as budget
Just remember basic lands dont really count so feel free to spend more on some singles, sometimes decks really need specific cards to function
If you say budget $200 for a deck really consider if some of the precons have the cards you are after at $30-$40 for 100 cards its not bad then you have $160-$170 to spend on upgrades
>>48185128
Really depends on the deck and the budget.
Back when I was starting I used to limit and spend no more than about $5-$10 per card.
Then after I began making a better income I limited to spending on $X every week or two while constructing a deck.
Now I make enough income not to care so yup.
Best precon to stick the gitgud frog at the head of?
>>48185361
Meren?
>>48185128
It's easier to just have a budget for the deck as a whole and not operate on a per-card budget. $200 for a deck is a decent budget.
Depending on the deck you can have some cards which cost $10-20 or more, yet still make up for it with several cards that cost pennies.
One of my cheaper decks, which wasn't made with any sort of budget in mind, is around $250 yet it has cards like Wurmcoil Engine (~$17) and Idyllic Tutor (~$19).
The only way I could see per-card limits making sense is if its a group thing, like everyone in a playgroup agreeing to not spend more than $2 per card. Kinda like Pauper EDH but with junk rares.
>>48185361
Honestly the prossh precon deck had some landfall type stuff if I recall correctly, or was that the marath precon?
>>48180915
>>48183128
Lel, these are my first and only commanders.
People are just jealous we play the most broken bitches in commander.
>>48185786
Any advice for my list? Its kinda budget so i dont have duals and fow/mana drain etc i only play her in french because there is too much salt in multiplayer
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jhoiradrazi-cheaty-edh/
>>48185786
>Original jhoira is qt as fuck, and unique
>better alter it and use a generic fucking slut instead
>>48180915
But I don't hate her. I just run leyline of the void, relic of prog, and cranial archive to make her useless.
>>48185904
>tfw none of my friends know about those cards yet
feels gud man
>>48185786
This guy is an auto include in all my decks that run green
Someone is always running jhoira in out meta
>>48185944
Not surprising. I had a friend who ran exilir of immortality in every deck but never knew the existence of feldon's cane.
>>48186022
>elixir
Holy shit
Tribal Scarecrow/Changeling deck.
I love it.
Pili Pala/Grand Architect infinite loop for shits.
Multikicking rite of replication targeting Reaper King and blow up 24 things.
And if I really want to overkill, master transmute a blightsteel colossus.
>>48186042
what?
>>48186022
I used to run elixir but then I got good. I used to get so upset whenever I ended up throwing it in the graveyard.
>>48186066
Is it really that fun? I was mulling over doing one but I was so disappointed with the lack of Scarecrows in the newest Innistrad block.
>>48186066
New scarecrow in EMN
Yesssssssssssss
>>48186092
which one?
>>48186074
>what?
I fucked up on my spelling of elixir. I don't mind when stuff goes to my graveyard anymore. I run more than enough stuff now to just grab what I need to get back.
>>48186116
Geist fueled scarecrow and field creeper
>>48186091
Best part about him is that he doesn't even need to be all 5 colours.
I chose to, as it gave me an excuse to toss in all the revised duals I have.
Honestly get him out fast, and start having fun. Ramp is key, as is starting with a hand close enough to cast him.
Run conspiracy, xenograft, etc to make sure all creatures are scarecrows, urza's incubator is great, and blade of selves works for multipods. And any blink effects.
>>48186154
they're ok? As someone who has never run Scarecrows I don't know why a scarecrow that makes everyone pay an extra mana for creatures would really benefit me in EDH.
>>48186158
Ok, I'll look into it.
>>48186200
Its just more jank scarecrows to use with the kings ability
You can always flicker it on your turn so creatures only cost more to cast during opponents turns
>>48186066
>Not using the Champion Loop
There are 3 changeling champions
>Champ A Exiles whatever
>B exiles A
>C exiles B and returns A
>A Exiles C and returns B
>B exiles A and returns C
>repeat until no one but you has any permanents left
>>48186412
Nigga I'm going to play a card game not chess
>>48180332
Sapling of Colfenor
How many flicker all your creature cards are there?
>>48186619
Two. Ghostway and Erie Interlude. Brago counts, too, I guess.
>>48186442
It's not a chess game, it's basically 3 o-rings firing off that also happen to be scarecrows
>>48186653
Venser the Sojurner sorta counts, no?
>>48186653
So if I understand this correctly the only type of flicker that saves you from removal are those that state they return to battlefield at beginning of next end step, while other flickers are instant and return to the field before a spell resolves?
>>48186412
Daaaamn homie I have these changelings and never thought of that
How would you think the emerge-cards in EMN would work in a meren deck?
>>48184542
does that work?
>>48186859
Their cmc is whatever is in the corner. Emerge is just an alternate cost. Will still be restricted in certain decks because of the color identity rule though
>>48186927
I mean "Would they be good?"
>>48186975
The boar one I think will see play. dunno about the others
>that filename
>>48180332
Rise of the Dark Realms is pretty good.
>>48186975
>discard 2 cards for 7 mana
>destroy and artifact or enchantment for 8 mana
>3point lifedrain for 7 mana
>2 1/1's for 7 mana
>+2/+2 and trample for a turn for 9 mana
Wew lad
(the answer is no)
>>48187102
As someone who enjoys zombies, I can back up that Rise of the Dark Realms is a great "fuck you," card after the second or third board wipe has been played in a large group.
Looking for ideas for cards that will cause as much chaos as possible. Not necessarily trying to screw up/stall the game, not even necessarily trying to win I guess. Just looking to make an epic and memorable game that might also make people want to flip the table.
Cards like The Great Aurora or Warp World to totally switch up the board state; cards that give everyone mana or creatures like Rite of the Raging Storm or New Frontiers; cards that force you to change your hand like Teferi's Puzzle Box or Wheel of Fortune-like cards; cards that make everything hit harder like Avatar of Slaughter or Dictate of the Twin Gods; cards that make many copies of instants and sorceries like Hive Mind or Radiate; cards that give everyone more resources like Rites of Flourishing or Forced Fruition.
I've mainly been looking at RUG but I'm open to any suggestions. The wackier, the better.
>>48182191
You choose the targets dude
Question? I want to get back into commander, I used to play by borrowing the extra decks of my friends to play and now that I have a solid income again I want to be able to make a deck of my own.
However I'm looking for a specific type of deck. I dont want to play a deck that really only has one win condition, be it a combo or simple bomb creature that, if lost, simply fucks up the deck. I want a deck that encourages me to figure out the win condition and how to succeed as the game goes on. Something that isnt an apparent one two punch to win, but can adapt and be flexible.
Anyone have any good ideas?
>>48187437
Try a mono or 2 color deck they are more forviging, get the new ezuri add more elves and some anthem effects and counterspells to protect them from boardwipes, overwhelm the board with elves
>>48187160
Izzet or Temur chaos. Pick a high power general like Maelstrom Wanderer, Riku, Jhoira, etc. and throw a bunch of fat chaos spells in there. Cards like Warp World, Eye of the Storm, Scrambleverse, Gate to the Aether, Wild Evocation, Knowledge Pool, Omen Machine, Game of Chaos, Goblin Game, Thieves' Auction, etc.
I did this with Jhoira a few times, but it gets old after a few times and people will stop wanting to play with you, though it's still fun to break out every now and then.
>>48180299
I made a Sigarda, Humans Grace edh when got her, threw divine reckoning in there and it's saved my ass multiple times.
Alright, Spiderbros. I'm sure one of you idiots is building Ishkanah. My first instinct was of course, literally run every fucking spider, there's only like 20 of them.
That was a dumb instinct. I'm dialing it waaaay back.
So, what spiders ARE you guys running? Which seem worth it? The curve seems really rough as spiders generally are 4-5 mana if not more.
>>48187643
Fuck you, I'm not giving away my secret spider tech this early!
>>48187580
Possibility storm with Riku is the most fun I've ever had in EDH
3 for 1 spell casts and the ability to be the only player that can cast what they want is awesome
>>48187437
Nebuchadnezzar wizard tribal
>>48187643
Chameleon colossus!
>>48181218
Yeah, I've had this. Ordered a Bloodcrypt from MagicMadhouse.
Got a Signed OriginalRavnica Bloodcrypt.
>>48187146
SBG?
>>48187643
deadbridge chant seems like a good surefire way of triggering delirium
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>>48187160
This is fun.
>>48187672
Man, I already gave out my enabler tech. I just want to know which of these basically vanilla creatures I should run.
>>48187706
I should double check Changelings.
>>48187722
que?
>>48187736
This. Lol.
>>48187763
oh yeah duh, sorry it's midnight and I'm working on summer finals while shitposting.
>>48187643
To be honest, Spider Tribal seems like it'll be shit. It's like deciding to build Werewolf tribal or Minotaur tribal. You're going to be playing a bad deck just for the flavor.
That being said, the Spiders I would consider running are, at best:
Deadly Recluse
Gloomwidow
Jungle Weaver
Juvenile Gloomwidow
Kessig Recluse
Nyx Weaver
Oran-Rief Recluse
Penumbra Spider
Sentinel Spider
Silklash Spider
Skysnare Spider
Stingerfling Spider
Swift Spinner
Tangle Spider
Watcher in the Web
And many of those are shit. They're just "better than the other spiders".
Of course you'll also be using Arachnogenesis and Spider Spawning.
>>48187813
Hey now, at least Minotaurs have lords. There's not enough for a good Commander deck but they do fine outside of singleton.
>>48187839
>>48187813
This seems fair. I'm doing some "toughness matters" cards, so I'll take that into account too, but yeah, I currently have way too many spiders in this deck. It'll still feel spidery even if I cut like 10 of the ones I am running.
>>48187839
So do werewolves. It's not enough though.
It's kind of mechanically retarded but fun flavor that Immerwolf stops the Eldritch Moon Werewolves from becoming Eldrazi.
Do I buy my cradle before the prices spike again?
>>48187873
Eh. I think if I had to choose between running Immerwolf and running Eldrazi Wolves, I'd probably just do Eldrazi Wolves. Of course you could run both and just not cast Immer.
Also, I looked up Radha on EDHrecs. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks she's a good werewolf commander.
>>48187813
>>48187839
>>48187873
>tfw we will never get a Tribal Themed EDH set of decks one year
>>48187911
I think if I had to choose between running Immerwolf and running Eldrazi Wolves I would refuse to play.
>>48182061
How is Tree of Perdition good with Bane of the Living?
>>48187935
Would you be more interested in the idea of WotC printing In-color Tribal decks or doing something weird with it?
As in, which would you rather have as the cycle:
GW Humans
WU Spirits
UB Zombies
BR Vampires
RG Wolves
Or:
WB Clerics
BG Insects
GU Elementals
UR Wizards
RW Soldiers
>>48187160
Conjured Currency and Illusory Gains are also cards that cause chaos on the board.
>>48187975
Reduce the toughness to 1. Use the ability.
>>48187975
>Give Tree -12/-12
>Exchange Tree's toughness with an opponent's life total
Party hard.
>>48187985
Forgot "Reforge the Soul" you don't want people without stuff to cast with all that crazy shit on the board.
>>48187980
That idea isn't bad. It's a very standard and straightforward, easy to use and understand set of colors for each of the creature types. So they'd all be really great decks for players to start using rather than the 4 color clusterfuck we'll be getting soon.
Unless they print crazy new commanders for each of those decks you listed I really can't imagine them doing anything more weird with them.
>>48183170
You have very good taste in tokens. I love that Soldier token in particular and picked up a bunch from Eternal Masters drafts.
I'm also partial to the Unglued Tokens since they really stand out in a cool way.
>>48179730
>>48179850
seconding the disagreement, but do you guys have any secret tech for the bestfaerie waifu
>>48187975
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