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>Shoot straight
>Conserve ammo
>And never, ever cut a deal with a dragon
What's the last big injury your runner got? When was the last time you saved your Chummer from near death? Who is your resident medic?
Never listen to an ex lone star's suggestion to take on gangers head on.
And said lone star guy was also our healer
I have a different question:
What's the most interesting setting you've played shadowrun in?
Caribbean islands?
Amazonian favelas?
Chinese high rises?
A space base?
Or maybe you had a really interesting take on Seattle?
I've been thinking of running a game, and I'd like some inspiration.
>>48144070
Congrats, you just deleted the whole Evotec online catalogue for cyberwear. Expect an HTR squad at your door in under 30 minutes, omae.
>>48143971
I ran a Shadowrun set in San Francisco during the Japanese occupation and martial law.
Mind you, I suck at running games, and it died for various reasons after a few sessions because as I mentioned, I suck.
Reposting in a newer thread
I've had a long commute to work recently, which gave me time to get some gears spinning, and started thinking about running shorter vignette kinda games in the world. Something so the players learn more about other other side of the shadows, and some more world lore stuff. For the first one, I've settled on a True Detective style game set in Detroit, with both players as Knight Errant detectives, as they slowly uncover just how awful their mother corp is (taking a lot of inspiration from The Wire as well).
Right now, I'm thinking of starting with a good old fashioned murder investigation, where the victim was killed by experimental Ares weaponry (dunno what yet), which when tracked will reveal it was given to gangers to test out its effectiveness...but I don't have much beyond that yet. I do know I want to work in the Black Lodge somehow, since they seem like really good villains for detectives, and make much of the drama come from not being able to trust anyone (the everpresent corporate overlords, and not knowing who's in the lodge)
Any thoughts on grander plots? Preferably something that can be done in 10 good sessions, not a long drawn out game.
Since the last thread died off fast and I seemingly take any excuse to plug my shit, here goes.
I wrote an (in-progress) cyberpunk novel the density of a brick (synopsis being >>48142783 ), and while I'm not expecting any of you to criticize it, like it or even read it, it's floating around here: >>48142840
I know it's off-topic and almost unreadable, but I seem to keep on insisting to myself that anyone has any interest in anything I do.
>>48143672
Oh, this is a good one.
>We raiding small port in hong kong
>Whole team compromised of mages, adepts, and physads-Except for the ex-sioux soldier(me), the only mundane on the team. (We had no decker, I know.)
>One of them starts off with a manaball, cooks 2 riggers in 2 different cars, and 2 goonies overwatching the dock.
>Physad goes behind car, wipes out 2 guys in front of doorway of building, to the left of where Sioux will move to.
>Sioux rushes up against the side of the car for cover.
>badmove.trd
>Door bust open, the word "flank" has never been more appropriate.
>Sioux dude takes 15P damage, resists 6. He has 10 boxes of health. Barely made it.
>Physad gets 11P, despite being closer, resists 6.
>Next turn, move into PROPER cover, and use medkit to restore 3 boxes back.
>MFW I was the combat medic.
>>48144683
Make it so they really have to go through an investigation chain. Wageslaves, managers, middle managers, high mangers, research. Have the end result be a really by the books of some paper pusher saying "Our data shows that this would be the most effective and cheapest way to test our weaponry. I do not understand your problem?"
Or have them really end up against some bureaucracy where they know who caused this or did it, but they can't touch them. Really nail home this is why corps are shit.
I can't decide if I should make a bug exterminator or a vampire hunter.
What do you guys think?
Is there some way I could try to merge the two concepts?
>>48145127
Magical Resistance 4. Paracritter hunter, Infected slayer, spirit puncher, and general ghostbustery. I can repost a similar character I made.
>>48145150
sure, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Though I feel like any mages in my group are gonna HATE that guy.
>>48145150
That plastic bone lacing is not at all how I thought bone lacing looked... I thought it was weaving it in to the bone's structure, not overtop?
>>48144683
>experimental Ares weaponry (dunno what yet)
FAB IV. A specialized infectious version of FAB III, designed to be secretly given to a worker drone bug spirit so that it goes back and infects the whole hive.
When it hits normal people, it starts chewing away at their Essence, driving them nutty (especially if they're Awakened). The players investigate a several seemingly unrelated instances -a salaryman who went postal at the workplace, a devoted mother who suddenly abandoned her family and joined an underground fight ring, and a thaumaturgist who died of Drain while casting a simple spell. They had all been exposed to FAB IV, and now the PCs have to track where the leak is coming from before it spreads even farther.
>>48145225
anon, if it's weaved throughout the bone, that includes the top.
>>48145214
That's why you invest in a R6 Medkit and a tacsuit. Heal and Improved Invisibility are the 2 most popular spells for mages to slap onto their teammates.
>>48145241
To the point where it protruding out, though?
>>48145280
maybe!
>>48145316
Would that not mess with the muscle and other such things around it?
>>48145247
Also, have to figure out something to do hovering.
>>48145280
Well, it's no good if it's only on the inside, the outside will get chipped and cracked. You've got to wrap the outside so those parts take the hits and keep it all together.
>>48145327
No worse than running aluminum through the marrow will mess up your bones. Probably less, because we already have experience with hip replacements and other artificial bits working within musculature.
>>48145332
Skimmers.
>>48145360
>Cyberblade
Whaaaaaaaat
>>48145378
It cuts right through electrical lines and data signals!*
*Presuming the lines and signals are routed through unarmored wires
>>48145378
Yeah, they got it right in >>48145150 but just went cyber-crazy.
>>48145360
>No worse than running aluminum through the marrow
Lacing doesn't go through the marrow, it goes through compact bone / spongy bone structure.
>>48145411
>The armour doesn't make her look fat
0/10 apply yourself. That TMP is also in a horrible spot.
>>48145483
Put an extra elbow in the cyberarm and she can reach it just fine.
>>48145551
Or, you know, rotate it 45 degrees counter-clockwise. Problem solved.
>>48145560
>>48145560
In actuality, the Steyr TMP is something you would probably carry on a sling, not a holster. The picture makes it look leagues smaller and less bulky than it actually is.
>>48145583
It probably is less bulky in Shadowrun, since it lacks the foregrip by default.
>>48145710
Even without the foregrip, look at it compared to a regular pistol.
>>48145850
>>48145710
As a better example here, there is the outline of the Steyr SPP (Which is what TMPs without foregrips are called... They're also semi-auto, but whatever) overtop of the Beretta M9, which is considered to be a fairly bulky pistol.
>>48145850
>>48145978
Again, it is probably not the same weapon in Shadowrun. They merely copied the name.
>>48146156
You're right, it's actually a... TEC-9? Whaaaat?
>>48146156
>>48146204
The only other picture reference I can find is from 4E Anniversary, but the art in there is absolute shite, so I wouldn't take it as accurate.
>>48145225
I always just figured it was a mesh of strands that was weaved over the skeletal structure.
>>48145127
This post has inspired me to make a bloodborne style hunter. Adept with Pistol and melee weapon. Not sure it'll be worth a shit in the end though
>>48146204
Careful with those. Had a chummer have his shake itself to pieces on a recent run.
>>48146156
Well at least in the SR5 handbook its a carbon copy of the real one.
>>48146540
Gun and blade is the standard for physads. It's hard to fuck up.
>>48145360
>when your elf character will never be buff enough to tuck a TMP and conceal it underarm or buy cigarettes that will kill her of nicotine poisoning if pic is taken to scale
Why even play Shadowrun?
>>48146608
Are there any good mods for melee weapons?
>>48146592
It lacks a foregrip in the SR5 rulebook.
>>48146592
>>48146255
>>48146204
>>48146156
I'm tempted to open up Pimp My Gun and start making reference pictures to make 3D renders of (practical but cool looking) Shadowrun Firearms.
Fuck, CGL cannot into guns at all.
Especially with the shotguns without suppressors part, fuck that noise. Silencer Co Salvo 12 would like to have a word with you.
>>48146700
>Especially with the shotguns without suppressors part
The what what what?
>>48146668
Gecko grip if the GM is cheeky, personalized grip if not, easy breakdown and chameleon coating for concealment.
>>48146807
Shotguns and revolvers can never have silencers/suppressors, according to Core 432.
>>48146842
>Breakdown
Yes, of course.
>>48146842
Revolvers can't be suppressed because they have cylinder gap. There's only been one or two revolvers in real life that were actually able to be suppressed, though that wasn't the main reason for them not having cylinder gap.
Suppressing a shotgun is just an act in futility. A suppressed shotgun can be easily heard from about 100 meters inwards, assuming a neutral amount of background noise. Then again, it's relatively the same for any rifle that isn't integrally suppressed and using subsonic ammo. I guess there's some point where you just have to tell any notion of realism to go.
>>48146842
There's only one revolver in the entire world(IN REAL LIFE) that can use a Suppressor, and it's the Nagant Revolver, made in the late 1800s. Said revolver is a triple-action revolver that has the entirety of the cylinder slides forward to form a seal with the barrel whenever you fire. Since there's no cylinder gap, a suppressor actually does shit to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895
>>48146911
The point of suppressing a rifle or shotgun isn't to make it silent, it's to make it not ear-burstingly loud and potentially confuse listeners and misdirect them. It's easy to hear a silenced shotgun, but hard to pinpoint its location and possible to not recognize the sound if you don't have direct line of sight.
>>48146976
>>48146911
>cylinder gap
I know, it'd just be nice to see one come out in a splat. Someone built a revolver without a cylinder gap so wageslaves can have John Wayne funz without blowing their fingers off. They also quietly put out a Forbidden version with an integral silencer, because they knew the niche shadowmarket would want it. Doesn't have to be spectacular (5 Accuracy, 6P, (5cy)), it would just be interesting.
>>48146987
I'd wager any trained soldier would be easily able to pinpoint where the shot came from at about 50 meters, under normal conditions. Suppressing weapons without using subsonic and being a great distance away just doesn't have a point.
>>48147042
But why have a revolver when semi-automatics are far superior? Damn cowboy posers, all of you.
>>48147068
Because revolvers are immune to jamming. Or at least, if it DOES jam, you can literally just turn the cylinder and keep firing. They're infinitely more reliable than shit polymer autopistols.
>>48143971
fucking bangkok
>>48147068
Because revolvers are simpler, more reliable and easier to maintain, making them good choices for newbies, travelers and people who're just that paranoid. They lag behind in more or less everything else, given, but they're a good choice if you just want a gun that fires bullets whenever you need it to.
>>48145150
now i kinda want a hand auto-injector that injects Jazz solely for the reason of "Jazz Hands"
>>48147100
>>48147130
He may be talking about what happens in Shadowrun, /k/, where semi-automatic is the correct option for pistol.
It's also the option with reduced style, which makes it inferior.
>>48147100
I guess you can have fun with your teeny tiny magazine capacity.
>>48147130
Newbies need more ammo capacity, because it's very unlikely 6 shots will be enough for them, considering only about 10% of shots in a firefight actually hit. Revolvers are also a pain to load, even if you are using a speed loader.
A newbie is best off with a low-recoil semiautomatic pistol. Probably something in the 9x19mm range.
>>48147169
It's a matter of how you're prioritizing, where you're planning on getting into trouble and how long the average firefight in the setting and environment lasts.
Firefights are also often surprisingly short with not too many shots fired, and especially in short-range combat (which includes being jumped as well as FISH, two situations that a newbie with a weapon is disproportionately likely to find themselves in), a revolver becomes more reliable.
It's a problem of whether or not you want to risk your semi-automatic jamming, because if you haven't had training in how to field-strip one, it's going to be a useless hunk of metal until you get some free time, some new tools and an Internet connection to look up the steps on.
In the end, though, this looks like it will devolve into /k/ circlejerking if it goes any further, considering that almost everyone on /k/ has their own opinion about how firefights usually turn out, and very few of them don't let it be tainted by movies, self-conscious trivia knowledge or political opinions about certain risk groups.
Does anyone else REALLY WISH they could watch wyrm talk?
It sounds like quality programming.
>>48147301
If you want something a bit more objective, they do have a heavier trigger pull.
>>48147068
>But why have a revolver when semi-automatics are far superior? Damn cowboy posers, all of you.
Doesn't drop its casings, simpler mechanism, more room for exotic ammunition, In some circumstances it's also harder to trace the odd caliber, the weapon itself might be cheaper or easier to conceal and otherwise it might just be the shooter's personal preference. Revolvers aren't outright better than other mechanisms, nor any better than revolvers, you just need the right tools for job and the person doing it.
>>48147379
>Doesn't drop its casings
Caseless is the norm in Shadowrun, so that doesn't matter all too much.
>>48147412
Correction: It has been stated repeatedly that caseless is the norm, yet CGL have done absolutely no research on the matter and continue to write rules that only make sense for cased ammunition. Absolutely none of the risks nor upsides of caseless ammunition are mentioned where it matters, and for all intents and purposes, it would be more fitting to assume that ammunition is still cased unless you want to rewrite the weapon rules to account for caseless ammunition.
>>48147462
Oh hey it's just like 40k lore.
>>48143971
I'm running trid-star PCC Los Angeles, where the runner group, instead of wanting to become trid-studded career criminals, is trying to use the glitz and flash of the city to stay out of sight. Each character has a specific group or corporation they're on the run from, and the crowds and bustle make it easy to disappear. Your runs tend to look quiet next to Johnny Cage *tm's Big Explosion Bank Heist.
>>48147462
What different rules would you possibly need for caseless?
>>48147495
Frequency of how much you have to clean out your weapon from all the residue during a fight.
>>48143672
10Blade was a bigshot Hollywood surgeon until he lost his medical license due to shadowrunners assassinating one of his patience on his table via bad anaesthesia. Now he's running the shadows bitterly himself, convinced that he deserves to fuck up someone's life just as bad as some career criminals fucked up his.
That, and the cyberware workshop don't pay for itself.
>>48147495
Mainly rules to account for storage and handling of ammunition. The only reason caseless ammunition isn't the be-all end-all of firearms ammunition nowadays is that there are several inherent shortcomings which can be mitigated but not eliminated - mainly that caseless ammunition is heat-sensitive and fragile, leaving a lot of residue and having issues with sealing. Caseless ammunition starts cooking off quicker than cased, and that's something that warrants a rule if anything ever did.
>>48147512
Shadowrun doesn't even have rules for regular weapon maintenance, do you really expect it to need that? That's stuff I expect from Twilight 2000 or GURPS, where everything matters, not Shadowrun.
>>48147495
Technically if caseless was the standard, revolver reloads wouldn't require you to eject the empty casings which is usually a really time consuming part of the reloading as expanded casings can get stuck in cylinders needing manual ejection. So, hypothetically, revolvers would become very quick to reload and possibly faster to reload than an automatic pistol.
Is there enough information on chicago to run a varied campaign there?
>>48143672
Ate a burst of SMG fire yesterday. I have 10 physical boxes, and it knocked 5 right off. On the other hand, got one of the more amusing out of context stories.
"So, then my sister KOed her with an orgasm spell she kept up for several minutes. I couldn't find a pen, which sucks since Spirits can't into AR, so I scratched a note into the top of the box of fried tofu I left beside her with my combat knife, before we took the cow and left."
>>48147535
Store it in cassettes like der Deutsch
>>48147535
Cook-off is theoretically a solution that can be solved with advances in chemistry, is how I've always treated it. Same with fragility and residue. From what I understand, the caseless portion of the LSAT program is doing fairly well, though it's not as far along as the polymer-cased telescoped ammunition they're developing alongside it (which coincidentally is functionally so similar to caseless ammunition that you could, if you wanted, assume its use for most situations where caseless ammo would give benefits).
Hey chummers, I saw a flyer for shadowrun 5e at my LGS, intending to check it out tomorrow. Street level start, what should I make? I don't have much experience with SR, just a oneshot of 4e.
Street Level or Street Scum?
>>48147535
More importantly, the ejected casings from normal bullets acts as a heat sink, while caseless ammo just leaves the heat where it is And where it is is a pressure chamber that is going to have a load of highly energetic flammable material very, very soon.
>>48147693
Would cased-telescoped ammo and regular brass be interchangeable?
>>48147924
Flyer said Street Level.
>>48147935
Advanced ceramics to act as a heatsink coupled with advanced heat displacement techniques. You act as if material sciences and chemistry won't ever advance.
>>48147995
In that case I'd go for a gunslinger adept.
>>48147565
Yes.
>>48147960
In its current iteration, no. They wouldn't be the same size and I believe the LSAT program's cased telescoped iteration needs some fixes compared to something firing brass (I'd guess that one thing to consider for them is the way brass normally seals the chamber and expands-- Something that I know doesn't matter for shotguns but I think the metal ring in telescoped ammunition is much smaller).
Functionally, it's pretty much the same, though. It's effectively just using a cartridge made of a polymer instead of brass, and encasing the bullet entirely in propellant rather than putting all of the propellant behind the bullet, which makes the overall round much shorter and lighter than brass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkW-RKBXK4
I'm pretty sure these tests were conducted with the polymer casing at tech readiness level 7, which it hit a while ago. So this much is a pretty simple inclusion.
>>48147565
Yes. The entire Missions season is set in Chicago.
>>48147462
>>48147478
>>48147495
>>48147512
Let's not forget that the art most frequently shows the ammo as being cased what with all the CASINGS everywhere in it.
>>48148225
That's just because the artists love visual clutter. RPG book art is to be taken not with a grain of salt, but a pillar of it.
>>48148241
Just saying.
Also, ejecting casings looks cool.
And since everything in Shadowrun is mind-fuckingly stupid and nonsensical and it runs on "this is a cool thing so do it", cased ammo is what my group considers the norm because why the fuck not?
There's no rules differences between cased and caseless, there's no reason to include caseless, all the guns make no damn sense half of the time anyway, and the art always shows cased.
>>48148270
>There's no rules differences between cased and caseless
It's not rules, but you aren't leaving any cases around, which is important if your GM expects you to play Shadowrun like you're actually professional criminals, for whatever reason.
>>48148270
I like casings because every time you remember they exist it's because the floor is covered in them and it's hard to run, or because a 300-degree piece of brass got caught in your thermographic mirrorshades from a glitch complication. Incidental complications are a great tool as a GM.
But I do things different according to the game I'm running. Mercenary games demand caseless ammo for the same reason they demand you chamber things in FUTURE calibers like 6.5 Grendel and you assume that programs like ACR, the M8, LSAT, and the like can get adopted-- It's not happening now because of administrative inertia, but in the "near future" you get to imagine up the guns you wish that you were using. Which is more fun than going "It's 2075 and the UCAS still uses the M4, just altered six more times and slightly improved because this game doesn't really present a convincing reason to say otherwise except for the advent of caseless ammo, which could potentially be done through a modification".
>>48148388
The UCAS does actually still use an M-16 derivative. The M-23 is literally just an M-16A2 with a different handguard and a weird shroud over the magazine. I don't even think it's caseless.
>>48147379
Don't forget better intrinsic accuracy due to the fixed barrel
>>48147558
Oh also, revolvers can't use caseless unless you were to modify the action entirely. The gas would expand out of the gap behind the chamber, if not for the brass heating and expanding to close it. I don't know if there's a theoretical way to solve that problem.
>>48148549
Yeah, there is. Look up the Nagant Revolver (and others).
>>48148607
The Nagant Revolver locked the front portion of the cylinder, not the back.
>>48148607
The Nagant's gas-seal mechanism seals the front of the chamber though, not the rear. The rear is assumed to already be sealed by the brass cartridge itself.
im stuck at the moment /srg/. I cant decide what style of razorgirl to build. which do you guys prefer kitted out cyberarms(enched str,agi and a razor/blade/spur) with reaction enhancers or muscle aug/toner with reaction enhancers. iv got the money and ess for both but im not sure about the flavor. all I know is my girl likes to show off her arms and im not sure if its in a proud " im chromed up" kind of way or in a "look at my muscles!!!" kind of way.
>>48148756
Gunbunny or Missie Melee? Kitted out full cyberarms are expensive and you can put shock hands and other cyberweapons in the meat itself. Though if you are adding any kind of cybergun, I would suggest the cyberarm.
>>48148756
Fundamentally, cyberpunk is heavily driven by the conflict between man and machine, the potential for making yourself more powerful in the short term but perhaps giving up something intangible for it. Chrome is a good symbol of that and a good way to bring in some characterization while still sticking to traditional cyberpunk aesthetics - there's just something more momentous about having your arms replaced with cybernetics than having new muscle spliced in. It provides more characterization and roleplaying hooks, since it's more obvious and a decision that your character will have to literally wear on her sleeves.
Bio-sammies are the flavor of the month as of late, mostly because CGL despises classic cyberpunk aesthetics and are trying to crush cybernetics in SR with everything they can - plot devices, cost increases and sporadic nerfs as well as of course less coverage and everything being hackable. While bioware would likely be the best mechanical choice if you're playing CGL Shadowrun, there's just something about classic chrome that meshes very well with the themes of proper cyberpunk - it's a bit flashier and a bit cruder than bioware, and more of a statement-cum-lifestyle than just replacing some tissue.
If you're playing an earlier edition, of course, there's no doubt - go for chrome. CGL has forgotten what FASA used to do, and is going their own way with the game - which includes mechanically and narratively undermining classic cyberpunk themes and devices in favor of "we have magic and inclusiveness". There's been a complete change in the customer group, and the game has suffered for it in all capacities and on all fronts.
>>48149023
Missie Melee. she's an Oni Bōsōzoku (biker gang) that specializes in driving fast, hitting people with a big metal club and her fists and popping fools with her Ingram Smartgun X sometimes all at once.
>>48149126
In that case go with Muscle Replacements. Full Cyberarms will go over the chargen Availability.
>>48143672
The most I've taken damage wise was once a 16p, -4ap shot, but the best story I got was the time I got ambushed by a team of 8 people and got mag-dumped on by all 8 of them, and walked away with 3 stun damage. The dice were definitely in my favor at that point.
>The fight has died down.
>I've taken down 5 to 10 gangsters already, so maybe I got 'em all.
>Use two full movements exploring the place.
>End up about to walk on to a boat with 2 meters of movement left.
>Pass the surprise test as all 8 gangers jump me.
>Full defence.
>Laugh my ass off as my GM is dumbfounded at my ability to no die.
He gave me a street cred after that. Felt good.
>>48149299
care to explain going over the chargen Availabilityif not that's fine iv been reading through the books and while I love the fluff damn are they horribly organized? sorry she's only my second character my first was a mage. thanks in advance for the advice
It's kind of dumb just how good the Ares Alpha actually is. Pound for pound I can't find a better gun at creation. Which sucks, because I want this character to move to Machine Guns, but I can't justify the points are creation, and karma later is just going to be a pain in the ass.
>>48149299
>>48149516
nvm I found it
>>48149865
Ask your GM if you can modify the Ares Alpha to be belt fed, convert it to a Machine Gun, and use Heavy Weapons instead. Machine Guns are mostly complete shit in 5e.
>>48148549
It's easy with caseless. Just use electrical firing and the back can be 100% sealed (As long as the chamber is lined up with the barrel.) The chambers to either side might not necessarily be sealed, but they're also not firing outside of horrible malfunctions.
My problem is you have something like the Ruhmetall SF-20 from R&G. It's 12P, AP-4. But it's FA only, with an accuracy of 6? Mods can kind of fix this, BUT IT ALSO TAKES 10 FUCKING STRENGTH AND IT'S 18F
Plus the Recoil for MGs is all kinds of fucked.
>>48147326
Yeah. It actually sounds pretty entertaining, apart from needing an interpreter.
help me wrap me head around cyberylimbs /srg/ because forwhatever reason I seem to have caught a case of the auts.
ok if iv got an orc with 6/8 str and I give him a pair of cyberarms, that are equipped with a standard 3 str correct? now say iv got dosh to throw around so I give him customized str of 5 for a total of 8 (but no more than 8 because they cant go higher than the racial limit.) then if I want more I could possibly add 3 more with Enhancements for a grand total of 11 str. is that more or less right or am I missing something?
>>48150980
Hold up, hold up, hold up.
Cyberarms don't have your basic strength by default?
Probaby a fairly dumb question:
do I need to specialize in something, (more like is it free to take a specilization) if I take a knowledge skill, or is chummer just weird?
Like if I plug in parazoology in chummer, I take the option for N.America, and it doesn't detract from anything on the right hand summary column, or say anything, except give me the (8) over my normal 6.
>>48150999
These are the people who are on /srg/. The answer is no, they don't come default with your natural STR and AGI
>>48151016
I've literally always assumed that if you had more than 3 it just started at your base strength.
I've literally ran games with that.
Welp, I guess I've been houseruling.
>>48150999
part of why im asking iv gotten so confused its not funny.
pg.456 says
Cyberlimbs: These prosthetics are basic off-the-shelf models. All standard cyberlimbs come with Strength and Agility attributes of 3. These values can only be augmented by cyberlimb enhancements, not other augmentations.
so I just went off of that.
>>48151007
It subtracts a knowledge skill.
What's a good augmentation-based source of fire?
I'd just put a flamethrower in my arm that immolates people when I punch them, but that's not quiiite in the rules.
>>48151061
Your Cyberlimbs come stock with 3/3 AGI/STR. Then at the time of purchase/installation (and only then) you can get STR and AGI CUSTOMIZATION up to your metatype natural maximums. Then afterwards, you can purchase STR and AGI enhancements to boost it 3 higher. These are the ones that take up capacity.
>>48151022
Huh, I thought I had skills down for characters at least.
Suppose I should look at the character creation section all over again.
Ah well, my second session hasn't happened yet so I got time to figure it out.
>>48151064
Like, a point?
Must be a glitch, then. I should only have 12 knowledge skill points, i've got 12 points divided into 3 skills, and then 2 specilizations, and it says I'm at 0 rather than negative.
Thanks, friendo.
>>48151116
If you've gone over on knowledge skills it should be docking you karma. I think one of the other guys broke the karma cost label override in a recent patch.
>>48151204
>karma cost label override
que?
in any case, it's not costing karma, no.
should have mentioned that in my first post, sorry
>>48151061
All cyberlimbs start with 3 Strength and Agility. You can customize them at acquisition, but not afterwards to have higher strength and agility, at a cost of nuyen and +1 Availability to the cyberlimb. These customizations can not exceed your natural limit based on metatype and the cyberlimb, if bought at chargen, cannot exceed Availability 12. The enhancements are a separate set of shit, like muscle augs/toner and add to the limbs strength or agility without increasing the limbs availability, but take up capacity in the limb.
>>48151093
Flare Rounds for your cyberguns, inbuilt flamethrower, burnout adept with elemental strike.
>>48151095
ok so I was more or less right. so my theoretical orc with 3 STR cyberarms would need to take custom STR 5 to get to his max metatype limit, and after that I have enhancements to boost him 3 STR higher.
meaning I can have cyberarms stronger than my base STR, say my orc for whatever reason has a STR of 3 and then gets his arms chromed up to 6 using the above method.sorry for the retard level questions like I said im new to the game and just trying to figure things out, so thanks for the help.
>>48151224
As in when you run out of knowledge skill points, it should go from showing '(x) of (y) knowledge skills remaining' to '(x) of (y) knowledge skillls remaining: (z) karma'. Last time I looked at it it was working, but that was before the skills rewrite made it into the main branch. I'll look into it when I get a chance.
>>48151095
>>48151229
>>48151293
ok I think iv got it nowmore or less...thanks for the help.
>>48145150
>Magical Resistance 4
Arcane Arrester is a better choice, if you can take it.
>>48151470
That requires you to either be a Formori or a Gnome.
>>48151534
Or SURGE.
are there any characters you don't want to play because of fear of either turning into THAT GUY or ending up with a deviantart-tier character?>I will never EVER be able to play an Oni ghoul decker girl wearing a greasy 5 nuyen wig that uses wireless means to help her squad from her little den
>>48152070
I want to play an AI. GM said absolutely not, so I'm trying to find some sort of workaround.
>>48152070
>wearing a greasy 5 nuyen wig
For what purpose?
>>48152175
ghouls lose their hair, don't they?
>>48152192
I have no idea. I guess that would make sense if they did though.
>>48151293
customization goes up to your racial max regardless of what your current stat is. a str 3 ork and a str 6 ortk can both have their arm customized up to 8 str, and then enhanced another 3 to 11 str
this is why one of the most common uses of a cyberlimb is to slap one really fancy one on a decker or face who doesnt have good base str/agi, so you are getting maximum value out of the arms better stats
How does one go about being a cybered up mage decker?
Can you spontaneously turn into a metahuman or did thay only happen once?
so is the CAS a conservative hellhole or
>>48152425
By writing your own novel.
>>48152425
My best guess?
Put points/priority into having a low magic, low enough that you only need a couple of useful spells or one really powerful spell.
Then get the right amount of cyber that optimizes your setup.
I want to run shadowrun, but I am far too by-the-seat-of-my-pants of a GM to not take extensive creative liberties with the setting.
Is that acceptable, or will everyone who plays this game get pissed at me for including things not in the universe, or altering things in the universe to work differently?
>>48152961
So long as you aren't too dumb about it, there's a lot you can get away with.
Every GM's version of shadowrun is different.
>>48152961
Depends.
>Not including things.
You can simplify stuff, just don't get TOO simplified.
You might want to specify that with your players too.
>Altering things to work differently.
What do you think people do with Rigger 5.0?
>>48152998
>>48152982
well, I mean altering plot elements too.
Bug-spirit-like-horrors now have more forms than bugs, nanite infection works entirely differently, arcologies now have large scale weaponry on top, etcetera.
>>48153240
Thats the kind of stuff you have to run with your players beforehand. Shadowrun is a game tied pretty heavily together with the setting. Its fine to change things around, but everyone should be on the same page.
Should I handle party ghouls the same way I handle Nosferatu characters in vampire, or are ghouls more dangerous and noxious?
>>48153291
>Party Ghouls
Mistakes have already been made
>>48153291
Nah, it's fine.
>>48153291
Ghouls, 5e, are infectious on contact with bodily fluids. If they aren't able to handle their own medical needs, tell them to get a drone, or do so for them. Don't let that drone handle anyone else. Don't stand nearby when the ghoul might get shot, punched, etc & bleed.
>>48153526
Also, recommend they wear a HEL suit under their normal gear.
do you do bosses, /srg/? or are they too videogamey for your tastes?
>>48153864
A mistake I made once
Vampire leader of a den of sin was blasted away before she even got to act
>>48153908
i wanna hear this short story
>>48144646
Tanuki says hi.
I don't really know anything about the rules or mechanics, i just like the character art and weaponry
Why are troll and dwarf girls so underrated?
Also, anybody got some cool art/schematics?
>>48153864
Like >>48153908 said, putting all your eggs in one ganger or security boss or whatever basket is risking a serious letdown of a fight, and if they aren't, it's because they're unreasonably difficult to damage or can take an unreasonable amount of punishment.
If you want to go for something that feels like a boss fight, make them stand out. You have to give the fight a reason for its special conditions, though; a small group of adept runners who can phase through walls can't just be a boss on its own, they have to tie in with something larger, like make them some kind of specimen collection team specially trained by some visionary ex-MIT&T professor.
To be boss fights, they have to be different from everything they're used to facing. For it not to feel videogamey, they just have to be used sparingly, and have a reason why they're so different from everything else.
>>48153914
Sure. It's a quick one.
Local clubowner who happens to be a contact of the Drug/Raver Chaos Mage states that some of his patrons have gone missing lately, because a new "Club" has floated into town
It's a container ship from late 20th century that has containers stacked as high as possible, welded together, and then had the walls cleared out for individual floors. It has 9 levels. They are all themed (in real life and AR) as the nine circles of hell.
The Runners' job is to escort the local clubowner as he goes to have a meeting with this woman about the missing people. While they are walking up the ramp to the ship he informs them "By the way, they're going to try to kill me. When I give the word, kill everything that moves."
They go through the levels - nothing happens (huge point of failure for me, but I'm still a really new DM. Pacing is being worked on.) But when they reach treachery they see that there are six ghoul guards in the room posted at various places. Very obvious ghouls. Cybereyes, fucked up skin, etc. They only guard treachery, the rest of the floors were just ganger scum.
Secretary tells runners to take a seat, boss man walks into large double doors for the meeting. He gives the word via com, and gunfire erupts. The GSA proceeds to absolutely decimate a ghoul a pass for two passes (because I made some rule failures) and the other three runners take on the other 4. (Mage used AOE).
As the last ghoul falls, the double door of the meeting room bursts open. Boss man is on his back and missing his hand and the boss vampire is holding a mono-whip. She is then riddled with stick-n-shock from the GSA who had just enough for one more pass.The entire thing was a ruse by the club owner to rescue someone very important he wanted leverage on. He also made the team execute all the ghouls and the vampire before they left.
I plan to use the set piece later, because my players liked it due to the detail I went into.
>>48154235
>>48153908
I hear you
The first time I played a tabletop campaign (DnD with friends) our DM introduced a King of Thieves boss that bursted into the tavern after we indirectly killed his whole gang
It was a pretty big guy that was also magically augmented
The fight was literally
>Warrior beats the shit out of him
>Sorcerer (my character, who was very drunk) stabs him in the eye with a broken glass
>Boss diesit was hilarious
>>48145360
What is it with cyberpunk and girls with one side of their heads shaved?
>>48154446
You forget about the "punk" part of "cyberpunk" or somethin'?
>>48154462
It looks dumb tho
>>48152961
Just tell them about what changes you want to make before hand.
>>48154492
>>48152961
The only things I think will actually cause problems are if you ignore the limitations of magic or the Matrix, because you can get pranked by your players and regret it
What I usually do is I select a sourcebook that I intend to run mostly loyal to, and then boil the themes and shit from that down-- So if I'm running from the Aztlan sourcebook than I'm probably going to want to treat the Carib League as more dilapidated and hopeless than you get from, say, Cyberpirates, and if I'm running California Free State I might not want to have Aztlan be as monolithic as it's portrayed in its own sourcebook. But the overall course of events is basically the same and you can usually argue that it's just differences in attitude and interpretation.
How do I survive a fall at terminal velocity with no parachute consistently?
Preferably without having to build my whole character around it?
>>48156015
Magic. You just need one spell.
>>48148756
Game-mechanics wise, if you want to save up on Attribute points at chargen for a secondary role (or focus on another role and shore up your fighting ability), it is easier to get one (or 2, but it's expensive) fully kitted-out cyberarm.
If you want to be primarily a fighter, then high physical attributes and muscle aug/toner is better.
Today is the anniversary of my mother's death and I'm having a bad day. Can you guys post art of cool trolls to help cheer me up?
>>48156106
This troll's pretty cool.
>>48156106
Bruh, gimme some time, I'm makin' one hella badass troll charsheet.
(Though it might be missing some things on it, the stats will be fun.)
>>48156161
i love him
>>48156106
sorry about your mum, here have a troll biker chick ill see if I have anything else left in my folder.
>>48156193
Thank you!
>>48156215
Me mum was the reason I'm into tabletop in the first place, she was hardcore into AD&D and infinity engine games.
I want this troll to be my girlfriend.
>>48156106
i don't got any troll art cept this, sorry chummer.
>>48156106
here ya go another troll being badass
>>48156242
personally I prefer orks, but she aint half bad.
>>48156216
>>48156193
DONE.
Bodyguard Troll, all set to go.
>>48156440
I assume the 'no guns' approach is because of Japan. But 1m50 height?
>>48156498
Eh, I wrote a backstory and description for him in the Seattle Sprawl, as he never had the chance to handle a gun, etc.
But the real reason he doesn't carry a gun is that he walks 17 KPH, Runs at 34 KPH, and with the drugs listed, it's potentially more.
And the height, I forgot the relative size of your standard troll. So that's more of a placeholder.
>>48156558
Get a gun, even if it stays slung/in its holster. No gun = mage = priority target in 99,99% of everyone's mind.
You're tough, but not tough enough to be the bullet sponge (yet).
>>48156581
I should see what All-Chrome-man looks like if he's made as All-Chrome-Troll.
>>48156558
Oh, and in additon, he lifts 330 lbs/150 kg, carries 220 lbs/100 kg, and the reason it's non-aerodynamic is because this guy subdues people, then throws them to other enemies.
>>48156581
out of cash.
Probably should look into reducing the betel or something.
>>48156752
Gotta be careful with betel. That's a gateway drug. Anyone looking to make a buck can lace it with another drug and hook you into something more expensive.
>>48156752
Tha'ts why I'm stocked to hell with it, my own personal supply.
>>48156937
I find it amusing when players try to game the system through purchases made before the adventure starts.
Everything came from somewhere, omae. All that betel had at least one dealer.
>>48157254
This is half the reason to get a 5/2 dealer connection. The other half is custom drugs.
Thank you so much for all the cool trolls. You guys made my night a lot better. Thank you /srg.
does penetrating strike make my attacks magical for the purpose of immunity to normal weapons or would I need killing hands for that
>>48157254
Altering stuff that was bought at chargen with chargen-ressources is thatGM tier.
No point in buy systems if the players can't be sure that what they buy is what they get during chargen.
>>48157453
You'll need Killing Hands (or alternatively knucks turned into a weapon focus). Mechanics-wise, Penatrating Strike gives you AP, period.
>>48156106
Trolls are great
>>48152486
people goblinize in the womb or in puberty
I at least can't remember reading about sudden goblinization in the 60s/70s
>>48157485
'Sudden' UGE/Goblinization/SURGE all still happen in the 2070's, albeit much, much more rarely.
>>48152486
Humans turning into orks or trolls is about as rare as humans being born to the same. Usually puberty, rarely after or before.
>>48147998
At that point the question is raised, why bother with caseless ammo at all then? The advantages are minimal for something that is more expensive, complex, and way more finicky.
>>48157666
Because it still is an improvement over cased ammo. We will inevitably perfect caseless ammo, and it is more or less better than cased in most every way. Again, advances in material sciences and chemistry will no doubt make caseless a lot more viable. Hell, what a lot of people forget is that the G11 passed the West German military trials with flying colours, and was going to be adopted by them. The only reason it wasn't was because of unification. It even performed favourably in the US ACR testing, but America just didn't want to spend the money to restandardize to 4.73mm caseless and phase out the M16A2.
do i get my augmented stats while using supernatural prowess I.e if i have 4(6) agility and use supernatural prowess with 6 magic 1 initiate grade does my agility become 7(9) or just 7
>>48157911
Magic and tech don't work together. If you're in doubt, take the least advantageous solution.
>>48157947
what if Im using improved physical attribute adept power
Chummer guy, since you showed us the cutom drug feature in past threads, is it possible to use it in creating custom weapon turrets on cars? As far as i get, the principle is the same.
Quick questions
Is it possible to conceal a cyberdick and balls in the body? If possible a normal cyberdicks costs 5000(SR4 bodytech) what would be the extra price of this hiding feature?
>>48158059
50 nuyen to hide it in some trog hooker, if you ain't particular about which body you're hiding it in, chummer.
>>48158059
Should be doable combining the cyber-cock with a smuggling compartment.
>>48158072
The player what's to be human or elf female with a standard body hight and weight
do sprites get the +2 hot sim bonus?
>>48158072
>>48158097
kek
fuck me didn't saw that
>>48158077
Thanks
>>48158098
From the example in the book, they don't seem to.
>>48144720
I'll give you this, You've put some fucking time into it.
336 pages. Wow.
Haven't read it. I may, just to read something other than the 1st book in a series I'm attempting to tear through.
>>48158199
OCD has its perks. 3000+ words a day for three or four months straight, more or less no breaks.
As you're reading this, I'm squatting in a Burger King and getting ready to grind out more.
Hey Yekka, is it possible to add Handloaded Ammo (from Hard Targets) in Chummer?
>>48156106
My buddy is playing a troll rigger in the game we're setting up. Has a shotgun he loads with incendiary ammunition. Has an underbarrel grappling hook launcher.
Suffice to say he doesn't intend to use the grappling hook to climb buildings.
Stupid Question: Some spells in Chummer 5 give as source "SSP" (usually with a page in the 15-20 range).
What's the full title of this book? I cant find any info on it...
>>48143672
Last run he got damn near ventilated by an SMG burst right in the goddamn torso.
He had some minor injuries during the run but was basically plugged filled with led even through his armor and only some good medical rolls and Stamina on his part saved his life.
He's gonna need some crazy dermal regeneration shit if he wants to get rid of those five entry wounds on his chest.
>>48159015
Shadow Spells.
>>48159015
Okay, scratch that, i am just stupid.
It's the "Shadow Spells" book i didn't see because the naming scheme was different from my other PDFs
>>48158963
"GET OVER HERE!"
All-Chrome Troll probably is the biggest waste of the (mostly theoretical) All Chrome group because there's a notable inability to have all limbs maxed out (used limbs aside, but you only have so much essence).
But it can be done. Probalby will have fewer guns in everything because you can have Str of YES and can put it to use. Just remember to get a weapon that does stun so that you can easily Not Murder people for those times you don't want to murder.
>>48158030
Currently no; the custom drugs are being built from ground up to do custom drug things. I guess I could universalise it to do the same thing, but it'd be a while before I could get around to it.
>>48158345
Ehhh. It's an argument we've been quietly having on the side. I don't want to make hand loaded versions of everything, but that's currently the only way to implement it. I'd prefer to be able to make it modifiable, but there's not much of a code base to support doing that yet. Limited free time and general weariness is setting in a bit, so I'm sort of picking my battles with development at the moment.
>>48158963
AH FRESH MEAT
>>48159109
I tried the fix you suggested for the cyberlimbs and sensors. The limbs disappeared from the list and I'm not quite sure what I did wrong.
>>48159144
That is because I'm an idiot and didn't check it properly. You need to replace the WHOLE item. So copy the item you want to override, add the sensorcategory stuff, and you should be golden.
>>48159109
Thanks for the Info and thanks for grinding your gears so much for us, Yekka!
Couldn't you just make a Gear category "Handloads" with an entry for each mod-variant (+1 DV and +1 Precision) that can be added as a plugin to the ammo in your inventory?
You already can add shit as Plugins for ammo (without any effect), the only point missing would be for the mod stat to influence the parent item and some way to get the correct pricing.
>>48159164
I had a guess I was going to have to do that. I'll just take it slow, then. First, arm. Because that's where I usually want to put 'em.
So I just finished SR:HK, and I have a question for /srg/: Why does everyone seem to love Duncan Wu? There was maybe two times in the entire game where he was not complaining about his dead father, his dead partner, or his dead career. I don't understand why I've seen him praised so much here.
Gobbet is cute tho
And Racter and Gaichu are cool.
>>48159366
>Gobbet is cute tho
>Liking subhumans
>>48159169
Things with a costfor value get... weird with plugins, and it doesn't carry up to the gun properly. It's not impossible to implement, but there's a bit of effort involved to make it work properly.
>>48159366
Duncan's ziptie used to be a 100% chance to knock ANYONE unconscious, including the final boss.
>>48159366
He's a whiny bitch. Even more so in the DLC.
However, in the first version of the game, he could walk up to that Yama King/Elder God/Horror thing, stun it and 'cuff it into submission; which was awesomely ballsy and made up for his attitude.
Now Quian Ya is immune to AP loss, and he's jus a whiny bitch.
>>48159366
I personally thought Duncan was a whiny cunt, I never got the love for him either.
Gobbet amuses me greatly though, I would snuggle her but the smell would probably kill me. And it takes a lot for me to like ANYTHING jap-themed, so it's a huge achievement for Gaichu to make me like him. But I do. I have mad respect for that blind bastard, and I'd have him covering my back any day.
>>48154446
I think it's just something that's got popular recently
makes sense for a decker, at least - having your jack clear of hair is probably a good thing.
Are there any guidelines on making custom corporations?
>>48159394
>not wanting a cute and crazy ratshaman GRILLFRIEND that likes your messie home
FRAGGER GET THIS TROGGERDICK OUT OF YOU BLACKHOLE
>>48159702
>Rat shaman
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE!
>Runners trying to steal a valuable piece of tech from a corp engineer living in a walled-in neighborhood
>Unfortunately they don't know which house the tech is in, the corps have made sure to make that information inaccessible.
>They use disguises and drones to scope out the houses day by day, however, two days in a row someone spots them out and calls Lone Star. They manage to bugger out in time before the coppers show up, though.
>Rigger traces the calls to one of the houses in the neighborhood, turns out the engineer's kid has been home sick with some bug the last week
>However, the runners now know which house the tech is in, they move in for the extraction the next day.
>The kid has somehow managed to rig the house with a plethora of traps using his dad's drones and equipment, as well as his own toys and things like tubs of glue and at one point a massive trunk full of books
>In the end the runners have to retreat, foiled by a small child.
And that's how I put my runners through the events of Home Alone 3 in the 6th world. The best part was when the troll street sam tried to grab the kid, hit a tripwire, failed his save and did a faceplant into a rigged taser.
>>48159702
Check out this race traitor
>>48159722
My party would probably kill me if I tried to pull a stunt like that.
>>48159732
>he never shagged a qt3.14 Orkgrille while getting his Bumhole licked by a female Dandelion Eater
Way to be NOT wiz&rad fragger.
>>48143971
Calgary, in the Algonkian-Manitou Council.
The big upside was the ridiculous "Great White North" accents we put on, and one of the runners (the face, of course) was super racist towards Natives. "We need to take our fucking country back!" and that sort of thing.
>>48159808
>"We need to take our fucking country back!"
Yeah, get it back for the commonwealth! Kick those chintalkers out!
>>48159776
>Implying rat shaman would be willing to put up with your nasty ass
At least rat shamans have the decency to shave once in a blue moon.
>>48159832
Wow, #rude.
Go suck on my Manhunter.
>>48159880
My Deputy is bigger than your Manhunter.
>>48159832
I think it should be added to the rules that if shamans trim their bush they lose their powers. It might make more people specialize in wrestling and blades at least.
>>48159366
I have no idea
Gobbet, Racter and Gaichu are probably my favourites, and is0bel's mission (specifically the part where you're guiding her by commlink) puts her way up there too
Duncan is just kind of boring in comparison, since he doesn't do much and mostly just complains, so I don't personally see why anyone likes him much.
in combat he's pretty good though, since he's the only person in the party who wields a longarm besides maybe the PC, and used to be pretty much broken.
>>48159898
kek
>>48159896
To bad it only fires blanks and jams half the time.
>>48160001
jams into your mother
>>48160027
So you fail so hard at hitting girls that you need to hunt for grannies?
Wow, gay & lame.
>>48159394
Except humans are empirically worse than elves.
Which is dumb, by the way.
Can we talk about that?
Is there a writer anywhere who can get on that nonsense?
>>48159366
When the game came out he could choke out the Yama King.
Also a lot of his dialogue on missions is pretty funny.
>>48159029
>five entry wounds on his chest
>removing them
I am already disappointed
Gobbet is the best girl. Glory is second place.
But seriously, are there any good reads on how to make up a corporation?
