Pathfinder General /pfg/
Why aren't you playing a kitsune vigilante (night terror) with Innocuous Servant, Companion to the Lonely, a Traveler's Any-Tool, and Rough and Ready who pretends to be a loving maid and fights with mops and brooms?
PoW brawler and PoW vigilante link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWw7bVMARxrXfRuOW20NlRqXEnS_XGLPT6LHTbz2qME/edit#heading=h.fr0xm36g4eum
Broken Blade errata to shut up ogres when?
Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hdPm41ad
Please search for the unerrata'd content here:
http://web.archive.org/web/http://www.d20pfsrd.com/
Old Thread: >>48025766
best outsider species?
>>48035502
I once had a sahkil as an NPC in my game, just a week or two after the Bestiary 5 was released. This was their humanoid form.
>>48035725
Because I'm currently playing a sylph princess
>>48035782
Succubus with just one level in the monster class, so you can fuck them without the whole soul theft thing.
>>48035725
Because I'm playing an Agathiel Vigilante with Innocuous Servant and Companion to the Lonely who sweeps floors by day andgives the knot by night
>>48035782
Qlippoth, easily.
>>48035789
This was their sahkil form.
Can a Mahou Shoujo with Companion to the Lonely just fuck her familiar for that bonus?
>>48035789
>>48035837
Naughty sahkil's get spanked!
>>48035789
>>48035837
Sahkil are cool as fuck. They fight The Man, who is in this case Pharasma.
>>48035845
Only if it's a Mauler familiar.
>>48035835
Die in a fire, familia.
>>48035789
>>48035837
was she/it on your side?
>>48035782
Sylph, obviously
>>48035873
He's the DM, of course it was.
Sahkil tieflings when?
>>48035782
Sylph
>>48035892
>hurr durr X happened
>TIME TO MAKE IT ABOUT MUH TIEFLINGS
Kill yourself honestly
>>48035725
Because that's my Esquire Cavalier's Aide-de-camp.
>>48035725
...My players must never find out about this.
My heart is not ready to run monstergirl maid campaigns.
Have tieflings become the new drow? The new go-to race for faggots who masturbate over NOT BEING EVIL or screaming "cute! CUTE!" or forcing their terrible shemale fetishes?
>>48035873
No; the two PCs (a catgirl and an archon girl) lost their battle against the sahkil, and they were forced to work as maids in an Ethereal Plane manor until they staged a maid rebellion.
So its a house rule now that I'm not allowed to roll for the random encounters anymore, last week when we played we had to fight 5 sin spawn of various degrees, this time I rolled a 19 which means we had to fight a teenage dragon. On the bright side, lots of exp.
>>48035983
An...archon girl?
I was always kinda unimpressed with archons in terms of power compared to other outsider races.
>>48036038
Gate archon
Star archon
Shield archon
Exscinder archon
From the last Thread ill reword what I said, we have a guy in our group that is kinda being a baby when stuff does not go the way he wants it. Last week his characterWho is literally Qrow from RWBYdied, but we had a res scroll, well it didn't go the way it was ment to and it turned into a reincarnation scroll and he came back as a Tengu, he pitched a fit and said his character was just going to kill himself when he woke up. This week he got over it, but with crit failures, he killed another in our party and ended up dying because he was a retard and decided to attack a random encounter NPC. So the NPC decided to kill him in retaliation after my character calmed them down. now he is acting like a baby about it when we where trying to plan our game next week saying stuff like "you do whatever you want, I wont be there" any advice to get him over it?
>>48035962
>not running a monstergirl campaign
You loss
>>48036038
>>48036055
She was a trumpet archon.
>>48036110
>Named Crow (more or less)
>reincarnate as crow.
>Complain
Wat.
>>48036147
inb4 cucks make Iomedae references and think they're funny jokes
>>48036159
Qrow from RWBY, literally Qrow from RWBY, and he wanted to be human and nothing else, even though he was much better off as a Tengu, working wings and all, he still complained.
>>48036055
>Star Archon
Legitimately the most powerful archon. Only special ability is a self destruct half the power of a Balor's.
Admittedly, the rebirth is okay. But it wouldn't win a fight against any of the other most powerful outsiders with it.
Spell-likes are alright, but it's already a 19th level caster at that point. So it has miracle. Better spells than a Balor, except lack of guaranteed summoning.
Less damaging than a Pit Fiend, quickened fireball is really nice.
300 hp. 34 AC. No holy aura. Regen, though.
Balor: 370HP. 36 AC. Constant unholy aura. No regen.
Pit Fiend: 350 HP. 38 AC. Constant unholy aura. Regen.
Solar: 363 HP. 44 AC. Holy aura prepared, but better SR, AC and resists without it. Better regen than any other as well.
In summary, the only thing Star Archons have going for them is decent spells, but they get outdamaged by Pit Fiend's spells and get out everything'd by Solars. The only one they have an advantage on is Balors, which have a higher CL anyways, and have the resistances, straight up immunity and health to tank the more damaging spells.
Alrighty comrades, after long day of work I'm finally ready for some Hellknights, hook me up /tg/!
>>48036236
The strongest archon is Ambithas from Heaven Unleashed.
>>48033882
>>48033930
Avengers get Mad Rush, but the Agathiel can get pounce from Beast Shape at level 8, with Avenger /OR/ Stalker specialization. If you go with catfolk and dex, you can then do it without a penalty to boot. Admittedly, you could also do a tiefling variant to do a Str build and just wear fullplate, but that's something else entirely.
>>48035386
>"hyped for next gaming session"
>mfw someone's probably going to flake out at the last second again
>mfw we were supposed to finish book 1 for shattered star a month ago
>mfw I just want to get the trap at the start of book 2, that /pfg/ spoiled for me months ago, over and done with>preferably by being the one to trigger it, since one player is absent all the time and the other would get upset with the race change even though it is objectively an upgrade
>>48036252
Isn't that just a unique Gate Archon?
I mean, he has wizard levels, but are we counting uniques?
Because I wasn't counting Balor Lords or Paragon Empyrean Angels
>>48036252
Congrats on your pedantic autism.
>>48036289
No wizard levels, just CR 17 and casting off both cleric and sorc/wiz lists.
Is a Crit-fishing Paladin a decent idea?
>>48036399
Depends.
Are you the kind of paladin who rides on horseback, with a lance, power attack, spirited charge and you have a cyclops helm and bless weapon?
>>48036399
smite doesn't double on a crit
>>48036443
Pretty sure it does.
>>48036443
I thought it was just extra dice that don't multiply. Lay on Hands shouldn't, but I don't see what keeps Smite from multiplying
>>48036443
Yeah it does.
It's a flat damage bonus, it crits.
>>48035845
Technically speaking, yes.
Tear my new homebrew to shreds, /pfg/.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-0060exu9xUcUpKcE9jTXFhU2s
>>48036536
Dead levels: the class. Fix it.
what are some great gestalt combination of classes? any level ok.
Besides Chill Touch, does the Magus spell list have any decent spells for dealing with undead?
>>48036536
It's generally accepted that in the special section, you include when a previous ability is upgraded or gains a new feature.
>>48036536
Well at first glance it's way too front-loaded. Also the BAB doesn't increase correctly. Also only having one good save is bad, and having Reflex be that save is worse.
>>48036556
What about 3pp?
You can't go wrong with Oracle Paladin.
I'm a particular fan of:
Oracle 2 | Paladin 2
Oracle 3 | Warlord 3
Battle Templar 10 | Oracle/Warlord 10 (your preference)
Oracle 5 | Warlord 5
>>48036598
preferably 1pp only.
So for anyone here who has played evil characters, do your characters tend to know they're evil, or are they convinced otherwise? If they're convinced otherwise, how would they react to condemnation from a Paladin?
I ask because I'm planning on trying out an megalomaniacal NE Alchemist with an emphasis on trans-humanism and his vision for a perfect world where disease and famine don't exist, but at the cost of everyone's humanity.
>>48036598
>Battle templar
That's a dual advancement class, those are a no-no in gestalt builds. Keep them to one side or the other, no crossing.
How do multiple miss chances from different sources interact? For example, if I have Blur and Mirror Image active.
Stat me in Paizo/DSP Pathfinder. No coat, no Edge Lord.
>>48036606
You have a particular role you like?
Hell, you can always go Goliath Druid/Synthesist Summoner.
You become a moss troll with regen/fire.
Go for immunity to fire with your eidolon.
Grab an anchoring harness, Die Hard, Deathless Adept, Deathless Master, Resilient Eidolon.
You should be immune to hp death by level 12.
>>48036536
>Ugly ass DO NOT COPY watermark stamped across every page
Do you really think somebody's going to be dumb enough to copy this garbage, anon?
>>48036650
Mirror Image isn't a miss chance. Different sources of concealment overlap, not stack, so shadowy illumination doesn't stack with Blur, and Displacement overlaps Blur and shadowy illumination.
>>48036642
Then advance Paladin at the same time.
>>48036669
not really. just looking for interesting combinations.
>>48036664
commoner 0
>>48036650
Only the highest miss chance applies, but Mirror Image doesn't count as a miss chance, since it prevents direct targeting.
>>48036685
You'd have to do something like Paladin//Warlord/Oracle/Battle Templar, but that'd suck compared to plain Oracle//Warlord.
>>48036550
>>48036562
>>48036582
>>48036670
Nothing but complaints about the formatting of my table and petty insults. I should have known I wouldn't get any decent criticism here. In the future I will just stick with reddit.
>>48036701
The main benefit of running both at the same time is that you can make use of both through Battle Templar, rather than be either casting or initiating.
I'm not a fan of just banning options, it's much easier just to suggest that if you're advancing a gish class and one of its main classes at the same time, that advancement is separate. The spell pool or maneuvers are separate as if you were advancing a separate spellcasting or initiating class.
>>48036429
You forgot saddle surge.
>>48036731
>ignores feedback in the first post because he's butthurt
>thinks formatting isn't important
>too stupid to realize third post was actual feedback
>identifies himself as a redditor
No surprise there.
Overall your class is shit in both its idea and execution, since it's a weak idea written very poorly. Given that you also seem to be an idiot, it's unsalvageable. Have fun in your hugbox.
>>48036731
You made a class and then made it not actually give anything for 3/4 of the levels. Fix it or go be a nigger elsewhere.
>>48036731
See ya.No responses to issues about legitimate criticism regarding BAB and saves, okay. You won't be missed.
>>48036731
>Three valid points.
>One questioning the donut steels.
K
>>48036753
But if you look closely, you DO get something every level.
So Ultimate Occult has its first negative review. Anybody want to take bets on how long it'll take Paizo to remove it for being "suspicious?"
>>48036740
>just banning options
No, anon, not using theurgic PrCs across gestalt lines is RAW and RAI. It's straight out of the gestalt rules.
>>48036673
>>48036691
So they won't miss chance effects don't stack but Mirror Image isn't an actual miss chance and thus will stack with Blur?
>>48036795
Right.
>>48036752
>tfw that third post has a (you)
Someone values my input!Because God knows no one outside this Tibetan self-immolation online symposium does
>>48036795
Yes, you roll the Concealment first, then the Mirror Image. MI makes blatant dupes of you that change as you do, so Blur makes 'em all blurry.
>>48036813
>>48036817
Cool. Thanks.
>>48036795
It's worth noting that the enemy can just close his eyes and swing into your square for a flat 50% miss chance without dealing with mirror images, in case you have Mirror Image active with an ability that grants a 50% miss chance, like Displacement,
>>48036536
Don't bother actually giving this nigger advice, I've seen his threads on reddit, he's been posting this shit for months and responds to every bit of criticism with anger and willful ignorance. When he started on this project he fully ignored the fact that there were two archetypes that did the 20 level arcane archer schtick already. He unironically told others that a class with full BAB and 9-level casting was not OP. This dude is either a troll or a legitimate retard. It's actually kind of sad.
>>48036850
That is, ironically, a better plan than trying to hit more than one mirror image at a time. Higher success rate.
I'm playing an EL6 campaign soon, I dunno if it matters but are there any classes that are most suitable for this type of game?I just want suggestions, I have no idea what to even play.
>>48036782
It'll be gone by Tuesday.
>>48036861
That mean you're on reddit too...
BURN THE HERETIC!
>>48036749
Oh anon, I could kiss you, I didn't notice that.
I have a mythic character for that. So combined all of that (I can gain a standard for a mythic vital strike as I ride-by attack), could be a lot of damage.
Shame it doesn't last very long.
>>48036788
No it is not. Gestalt doesn't explicitly rule anything on the topic.
"But if it takes up both “class slots” for a gestalt characters, it’s no more powerful than taking a level in the barbarian/wizard gestalt."
it mentions that class combination PrCs should not be allowed out of concerns for complication, but doesn't make a rule on it, just a recommendation. You can always either waive it, at a particularly high level campaign, or spend both gestalt classes to advance in it anyways.
>>48036850
Holy fucking metagaming, shitlord.
>>48036891
To be fair, if someone encounters mirror images enough, they might actually decide to go "fuck it" and just swing wildly with their eyes closed. "It can't be worse than what I'm already dealing with", after all.
>>48036891
Not really. If you can't trust your eyes, don't.
>>48035835
What'd my poor novel ever do to you, anon?
>>48036872
refresh me on the rules of E6 again? I imagine you want a class that's reasonably fully functional by level 6, but that depends on what exactly progresses after that point.
>>48036909
People were doing such a good job of ignoring it, man.
>>48036912
If I recall, you spend exp for feats at a flat rate.
>>48036912
Basically what >>48036933 said, at least that's what my GM told me.
>>48036636
Shameless self-bump. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on how to deal with this RP-wise, since I've never played a character who would have any real ideological issues with other party members before.
>>48036933
>>48036957
So no spell/power/maneuver progression past level 6 unless there's some way to spent XP on it.
I stand by my previous statement then - have a concept that comes mostly online by level 6.
>>48036912
>>48036957
Maybe Ranger or Slayer for delicious "ignore feat prerequisite" at level 6?
Improved Precise shot and Shield Master come to mind.
Is 14 an acceptable Con score for a front line martial?
>>48036990
I recall something about E8 working better for Pathfinder, due to the differences between 3.5 and PF.
>>48036980
Try to make the paladin question his own ideal.
Look at Kyton Rhetoric down this page for some idea.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/kyton/kyton-ostiarius
if your last Good character was asked by angels/archons/whatever to work alongside a band of Qlippoth to help eliminate a large demonic base in the material world, would they accept? would they protest and go along with it? Would they react some other way?
They are specifically asked to not in any way backstab the Qlippoth before, during, or right after the mission.
>>48037005
Depend on your other defensive skill.
Can you cast Mirror Image/Displacement? Can you fly? Can you cast invisibility/greater invisibility? Can you teleport out?
>>48037050
I should be more specific I suppose. This is for an Oread OD/ZS Warder with one level of Bloodrager for those delicious front-loaded rage bonuses, but we'll have a Sorcerer focusing on buffs, so I thought it may balance out.
>>48036782
I'm betting it won't be removed.
>>48037028
Oh I really like this. I'm definitely going to be stealing the speech responding to Detect Evil.
>>48037039
Mine would refuse. Qlippoth are too dangerous and unpredictable to work with, and he's too busy vaporizing Devils to get caught up in demonslaying.
So if a creature's natural weapons are listed as 2 talons and a bite, can it attack with both talons in one standard attack action?
>>48037485
No, just one. Same with AoOs and the like.
>>48037508
That's a bit disappointing. I wanted my Roc companion to swoop in and rip things apart on the same turn.
>>48037558
That's what pounce is for.
>>48037558
Can be done if you can permanently make your Roc huge and give it the Grab monster feat.
>>48037584
Is there any way to get Pounce on a Roc?
>>48037585
It gets grab at level 7 anyway
>>48037628
Find some way to grant it a single martial maneuver. There's a 2nd-level Primal Fury maneuver that is pounce, basically. Assuming the old 3.5 rule of '2 non-initiator levels = 1 initiator level' it can get it when it gets 6 HD.
>>48037628
pre-errata Ring of Ferocious Action as a Hunter.
Now both you and your Roc has pounce.
Hey Gareth, the Lords of the Wheel says there are Autumn Lords who 'discreetly maintain various under-the-table alliances with certain temples sympathetic to the cause the Lords espouse.'
Is there any way one of those could be a demon lord's temple? A demon lord more NEish than CE, but still CE. This one.
http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Sifkesh
I need to know because reasons.
Anyone here ever create their own Staff?
I'm not sure if I'm pricing it right... but a staff with
1) Shadow Evocation
2) Shadow Conjuration
3) Shadow Enchantment
would cost 29,400gp right?
>>48037683
PoW isn't allowed, and not for lack of trying on my part. Apparently my DM thinks that Warders are OP specifically because they have Full BAB, d12 HD, and Heavy Armor Proficiency.
>>48037832
>"Hey guys feel free to fluff this however you want"
>"HERP FUCKING DERP HELP PLS CAN I FLUFF IT LIKE THIS OR WILL DSP DRIVE TO MY HOME GAME TO BEAT ME FOR HAVING BADWRONGFUN PLS SPOONFEED MY RETARDED ASS"
>>48037715
I can't seem to find pre-errata text for the Ring of Ferocious Action. Even my old app that hasn't updated its content since Occult Adventures doesn't have anything other than the effect to negate stagger.
>>48037881
That the effect you want beah. Use it together with teamwork feat that let you move with ally as immediate action but stagger afterward.
>>48037875
pls no bully
>>48037832
Depends on how you characterize her church, really. The Lords of the Wheel cause change with the goal of increasing harmony; not maintaining balance, per se, but preventing catastrophe and providing for growth with consistency. Most demon lords are a bit incompatible with that idea, which is not to say that all of them are. Who is this demoness to you and, more importantly, why would her church care for the Wheel?
>>48037902
Oh wow I would never have thought of that.
>>48037881
>I can't seem to find pre-errata text for the Ring of Ferocious Action.
Use the link in OP post.
>>48037924
>Who is this demoness to you and, more importantly, why would her church care for the Wheel?
Someone who balances out all aspects of fiends.
>Because of her corrupting ways, Sifkesh presents somewhat of a conundrum to most demonologists, combining elements of all three fiendish races: she corrupts like devilkind, feeds on souls like a daemon, but is still a demon.[2]
>>48037951
I was using that, but I didn't notice the difference between pre and post-errata because I was skimming to find something about Pouncing.
>>48037951
Nah. He just hasn't realize the combo between the ring and Stick Together feat
>>48037850
Oh for fucks sake, tell him to use will saves against Warders if he's that butthurt.Sounds like an old DM I played with a while back, I'm so sorry.
>>48037956
And? That her behavior is a balance of evil doesn't mean she's harmonious or desirable. She gets off (literally) on taking people with dearly held dogmas (like, say, the Lords), making them betray those dogmas, then watching them kill themselves. It'd be a lot like a paper girl making friends with a fire elemental with a thing for murderous arson. Sure, there's a universe where this might end well, but it's not any of the ones they're living in.
>>48037971
Errata made it into ONCE PER DAY on top for the limited round.
>>48037990
What do you mean? That's FAIR AND BALANCED.
>>48037956
She's a conundrum because they're fucking stupid.
It's not ONLY devils that corrupt, it's not ONLY daemons that do bad things with souls; surely demons or devils occasionally go "eh, why not" and nom one outright instead of selling it or making some new magic item out of it.
>"That can't possibly be a demon made of physical chaos and physical evil, a demon would never corrupt things, it makes no sense! What? My IQ? It's 3!"
>>48037980
I told him exactly what the Warder's weaknesses are, including its lack of any real ranged options, plus vulnerability to touch attacks and AoEs, along with its weak Reflex and Will saves, and he still thinks it's too strong.
He doesn't believe in the Martial/Caster Disparity based on anecdotal evidence from his own sessions, he is adamant that Armored Hulk is better than Invulnerable Rager despite that I ran the numbers to show him specifically how much better IR is, and he believes TWF is the best form of melee attacking, with einhander a close third after two-handed.
I've given up on appealing to reason and decided to let actions speak louder than words, and give him some useful anecdotal evidence by playing an Archmage Magaambyan Arcanist in our Mythic campaign as the only casting-focused character in a party that otherwise consists of a Brawler, a Bloodrager, and a Warpriest. So far we've run through several encounters in which I've managed to avoid damage completely with Mirror Dodge and a Fly speed good enough to automatically pass checks to hover and solve encounters in one action with a Mythic Color Spray.
>>48038077
>Hawkguard Warder
>Ranged problem SOLVED.
>FUKKEN SOLVED.
>SERIOUSLY. It's good.
>>48038089
Yeah, but I've fallen romantically in love with OD/ZS and sweet, sweet Wis-based initiating.
>>48038089
>summerfag doesn't understand how to greentext
>>48037974
Yeah, that was it.
As a side note, since it is a Hunter, is it just me, or is Pack Training + free Outflank the greatest thing ever?
>>48038110
Just, at least carry a spare pistol or SOMETHING.
Please don't become like half the people I play with
I mean, sure, they could at least get off a shot while getting to their target in a single move action or charge...
>Well there's no point since I can't even full-attack, my turn's done
>Well I can't fly in my heavy armor so I can't get to that guy I'll skip my turn
>There (You) goes again, doing everything while we can't do shit
>You do too much damage since you're ranged
>This isn't fair, you're way too optimized
>Guys? I offered to craft things to deal with difficult terrain, and you all have access to flying, and I even offered all of you a composite adaptive long
>Stop whining mega-damage-jackass, I told you my concept is ground and melee only.
For fucks sake at LEAST get fucking reach.
Please.
>>48037986
>She gets off (literally) on taking people with dearly held dogmas (like, say, the Lords)
Nah man, that's only for religious people.
As far as I'm aware, the Lords aren't religious.
Okay /pfg/ my GM seems to be out for blood and is killing PCs left right and center. I need a character build that I can use for revenge against his hordes of warriors from his special snowflake homebrew race.
>>48038236
We're level 9 and using all Paizo published content by the way.
>>48038188
Yeah, the plan was to carry a sling for ranged attacks with full Str mod added, and proficiency gained from a level in Bloodrager
>>48038236
>>48038248
What does his special snowflake race do?
>>48038218
Yeah isn't that the whole fetish for the mormons and the jenovas witnesses?
They never try to convert atheists or agnostics, it's all
>"I totally got this family to switch from old-jesus to spaces-are-limited jesus!"
>"And I saved nearly 15% on my car insurance thanks to Paizo Direct!"
>"Oh Yeah! Praise Keisar Ephes! But only our new version!"
>>48038262
They drain people's lifeforce with a touch, multiply infinitley using cloning technology because they're aliens with alien technology, and they can raise the dead without any negative consequences besides a couple rounds of fatigue.
>>48038279
What if you're commanding an army of undead already? They can't life drain that which has no life to drain.
Also, hit your DM for designing something that dumb.
>>48038279
You're going up against space zombies.
>>48038279
Find some way to fly. They can't touch what they can't reach. And then fly right out of the game. Or let all your guys die and don't make backup characters.
How much does it cost to have a weapon with +2 luck bonus on ac and saving throw?
>>48038268
> posting old and busted god
> not worshipping XN-L
> not worshipping glorious return of lord Ein our savior
> not worshipping Ing the chosen one for "his" return
>>48038365
Look up the Defending and Guardian weapon enchantments.
>>48038408
I want it to be constant bonus like Luck Blade or Staff of the Heirophant though.so I can stack it with those enhancement
Assume following situation:
- You play as a Sorcerer (Arcane Bloodline, Human), levels 01-10
- All usual "must-have" spells are already covered
- Your other (usual) spells already makes you powerful enough in whatever field you want (blasting, bfc, debuffs, etc)
- You have two "free" spell-known slots per spell-level
Goal is to use that free slots on some thematic spells. To make said sorcerer more interesting to play ("as" and "with"), not just more powerful. On what spells would you use those "free slots"?
>>48038462
I'd use spells that benefit the whole party, making the character a benefit to the whole team in any situation.
Haste and Heroism come to mind.
>>48038507
Consider that already covered
>>48036687
Most fun I've had with a gestalt is wizard/kensai magus.
>>48038252
Is there a reason you're using a sling rather than any martial thrown weapon, aside from range?
>>48038576
I mainly wanted to take advantage of the Magic Stone SLA I get as an Oread.
>>48038583
That's fair. I opted for throwing axes on my warder, I'll let you know how it goes.
>>48038462
Easily the stupidest question in the thread because every response is going to end up like >>48038522
How about you don't waste any time, post your spell list and be open to suggestions.
>>48038600
Nice. I thought about using a Returning Spear, but decided it would be too much of an investment.
>>48038462
Explosive Runes, Polymorph Familiar, Globe of Invulnerability, Lesser, Phantom Chariot, Shadowform, Twisted Space, Expeditious Excavation and Hold Portal.
>>48038439
no one cares
>>48038365
The same cost as adding those bonuses to wondrous items.
>>48038629
Nice
>>48038610
No, that response will be only on spells that are offered in every "what spell should I take" thread and every sorcerer\wizard handbook.
I'm looking for something interesting and more rare. Spells that are fun, but you'd avoid them 'cause there is another absolutely needed practical spell we all know about, that you should take instead.
If I'd mention any spell list, it'd be a discussion about something like "X spell is better then Y for a blaster" or "you totally should take debuff X, you don't have enough %savename%-targeting debuffs yet". That's why I left "main" spell list obscured. It's irrelevant. Consider, that you already have all your favored blasts, buffs, bfc, etc.
>>48038747
But you care enough to post oniichan!
>>48038809
Well, what does your character do for a hobby? Pick spells that work with that if you've got all the bases covered. If he crafts, take spells like fabricate. If he's a performer, illusions make great special effects. That sort of thing.
>>48038809
The thing what you're asking for is still a loaded question, there's a obviously a huge number of spells that could be mentioned and the people and you could just answer with "You think I wouldn't take that" or like I mentioned before, brushed off like >>48038507 's 2 suggested spells.
>>48038869
Those suggested spells are incredibly core though, you could have suggested fireball, summon monster or dimension door at that point.
>>48036110
While that sounds like a shit reaction, consider that A: the GM turned a res scroll into a reincarnation scroll, and B: lets crit failures hit allies (instead of, say, using the crit deck that features almost exclusively penalties to the attacker, either in self-harm or enemy-aid).
I'd say he has every right to leave if he's not happy with the way the game is being played.
>>48038462
Research new spell. Personalize your shit.
the lighthouse represents order among the chaos, safe passage between Scylla and Charybdis. to the deeper things that live beneath those waves, this order is anathema. they slink out at high tide with cold, flabby, webbed hands and long neck-snapping fingers, with huge eyes like distant moons, and they beat upon the great wooden door of the lighthouse. man's racial memory has not yet forgotten the sound of slimy skin scraping against wet timber, of deeper things nudging up against us from the insane bottom-places hidden from the rational sun. the lighthouse-keeper has kept them at bay for years, for should they succeed, should they turn off that narrow beacon of sanity, they would slither out of the lunatic mud and turn their dead, blind gaze up toward the light of the sun--and the light of man.
only the lighthouse-keeper has known these things, and he has borne this terrible burden of knowledge alone for many years. now that lighthouse-keeper has not answered radio calls from the mainland for some days. a ship has been lost. the beacon lies dark. you have been sent to find the truth. the truth is the lighthouse-keeper lies dead. the truth is the sun is going down for maybe the last time. the truth is deeper things are coming with squelching footsteps on the jagged island rock. drink of the black sea and touch the dead star fires that ships wreck upon.
>>48036731
>>48036536
>asks to get torn to shreds
>gets mad when it gets torn to shreds
you wont be missed.
>>48038809
>ends up as a weird eldritch monster thing
I somehow wasn't expecting that, despite the leg in the third bit.
>uses a totem of his oldest self as part of his wand
that's pretty dope, no lie.
How do pricing work for adding other ability into weapon/armor?
Lesser Luck Mail is a +1 Chain shirt with +1 luck to all saving throw.
It's 3,750gp. Is it because...
Armor Component: Masterwork Chain Shirt is 250gp
+1 Luck Saving Throw is 2,000
Multiple different abilities = *1.5 on lower cost on Armor bonus (enhancement) = 1000*1.5 = 1500?
Is this the right formula?
Is there an Initiator Aegis archetype?
I'm trying to find a way to advance the initiator level of my Warsoul 2 / Aegis 3
>>48039340
No. Pricing on magic armor and magic weapons works differently from other items. Enchantment bonuses and +x equivalent enchantments work independently from enchantments that have flat gold cost, and even if you have multiple enchantments with gold cost, there's no multiplication involved. So the correct cost would be 250gp for masterwork, 1000gp for +1 enchantment, and 2500gp for +1 luck bonus to saving throws. Do note, though, that if it isn't listed separately, adding the luck bonus to other kind of armor would be a custom magic item and the price would be at GM's discretion.
>>48039340
>>48039428
+1 luck saving throw = 2000 GP
+1 enhancement = 1000 GP
Secondary magic item cost for the above = 500 GP
Masterwork = 250 GP
>>48039407
>Warsoul 2 / Aegis 3
You absolute MADman
>>48039465
You don't need INT for an aegis dip.
Aegis 3 + Student of the Astral Suit and you now have 7 levels of aegis to play with.
Hm.
Wow, Signifier Masks defend real fucking good vs visual attacks if you want them to.
There's the +2 that a signifier gets normally while wearing it, and if you have it set as Smoked Goggles, then it's a total of +10. Since the Mask's bonus is Competence and the Smoked Goggles bonus is Circumstance, it stacks.
Pity about that 20% miss chance. Although I suppose Improved Blindfight is a thing.
>>48039407
There is not an initiator archetype for it, however there IS a customization that grants you access to maneuvers, called Initiator's Soul. It's in PoWE.
>>48039407
Path of War: Expanded, page 37:
>Initiator’s Soul: The aegis gains the ability to learn and ready martial maneuvers.
Path of War: Expanded, page 72:
>Practiced Initiator (Combat): Pick an initiating class—your initiator level in that class gains a +2 trait bonus as long as this bonus does not raise your initiator level above your current Hit Dice.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/student-of-the-astral-suit
>Benefit: Treat your class level as four higher to determine your number of customization points and which customizations you can select for your astral suit, to a maximum of your character level.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/fighter-s-blade
>Benefit: Treat your class level as four higher to determine your enhanced mind blade class feature and which blade skills you can select, to a maximum of your character level.
>Forrest, is the table for archetype maneuver progression based on class level or on initiator level?
><Forrest> initiator
><Forrest> sorry it's vague
An aegis 4/soulknife (gifted blade, psychic armory, war soul) 4 with Student of the Astral Suit, Fighter's Blade, and Practiced Initiator has 3rd-level war soul maneuvers, enhanced panoply +3, an 8th-level astral suit for the purpose of customizations and customization points, and 2nd-level maneuvers selectable via Initiator's Soul.
However, you will have to focus on Wisdom and, on your aegis side, avoid any maneuvers and stances that call for your initiation modifier. Alternatively, you can be fully Intelligence-based as a soulknife (gifted blade, living legend) 4/aegis 4, but then you are neither a psychic armory nor a war soul, and gaining 3rd-level maneuvers via Initiator's Soul is not quite as good as it sounds due to maneuver prerequisite speedbumps.
>>48039535
>gifted blade, psychic armory, war soul
hold it. How'd you stack those? two of those modifies or removes Psychic Strike
>>48039557
Because 'mnuh mnuh Soulknives suck lets give them CASTING'
Because that's how we IMPROVE THINGS ISN'T IT?!
>>48039564
In the 3.x system? Yeah, that actually is how you improve things.
>>48039557
High Psionic setting makes Soulknifes keep both Psychic Strike and Powers. That's up to the DM though.
>>48039557
Psionics Augmented: Soulknives, page 14:
>Soulknives, High Psionics Campaigns, and You: Depending on the type of campaign world you play in, if the GM would call it a ‘high psionics campaign’, it would be within reason to allow soulknives to add the manifesting and power progression of the Gifted Blade archetype to all soulknives by default, for a more ‘psionic’ soulknife. This gives the soulknife more of a competitive edge in a world where manifesting and/or magic is highly dominant without compromising the combat abilities of the class. The Gifted Blade archetype in return adds some additional flexibility as well as in and out of combat versatility to the soulknife that lets it stand as both a combative and psionic equal to classes like the psychic warrior or marksman. In games with higher levels of expertise, powerful classes and abilities, or just generally better toys available to people, it would be considered prudent to add the Gifted Blade archetype’s powers to the soulknife to keep them competitive.
According to ErrantX, this is supposed to be a "non-errata soft fix" for the soulknife:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41887109/#41897946
>>48039592
Aka "we're not allowed to actually errata it into a partcaster so we'll just tell you to do it"
>>48039573
>>48039592
I've actually played a Gifted Warsoul Psyarm and its a headache.
Good luck juggling between powers, disciplines and blade skills at your table while everyone waits for you to take your turn.
>>48035725
>Why aren't you playing a kitsune vigilante (night terror) with Innocuous Servant, Companion to the Lonely, a Traveler's Any-Tool, and Rough and Ready who pretends to be a loving maid and fights with mops and brooms?
Because I'm heterosexual.
>>48039607
I once did something similar with a gestalt Polymath alchemist//arcanist.
Never again.
>>48035980
Yes
>>48039612
Yeah having a lot of options for your character is good for theorycrafting, but not at a table playing with other people who really just wants to have fun.
>>48039607
Gifted Blade's power lists are pretty subpar anyways and feat intensive if you want to expand it better. The archetype however is great for the free powerpoints to empower your Sleeping Goddess disciplines though.
But that's just my opinion.
>>48039607
A soulknife (gifted blade, psychic armory, war soul) wants to take mostly passive blade skills anyway.
It is not much more complex than the alchemist/investigator (polymath), the inquisitor/warpriest (warpath follower), or the psychic warrior (pathwalker), all of which are both half-initiators and have up to 6th-level extracts, spells, or psionic powers.
Nor is this type of soulknife particularly complex compared to a full-initiating, power point-spending, collective-managing zealot.
Nor is such a soulknife that much more complex than a single-classed aegis who makes full use of its psionic power, akashic veil, and martial maneuver options.
>>48039428
The first rule of custom magic item say that you should find the most similar item to use it as guide line. That's why I try to break down the price from Lesser Luck Mail.
>>48039456
Thanks that is my conclusion too,
>>48039626
>Gifted Blade's power lists are pretty subpar anyways and feat intensive if you want to expand it better.
A Gifted Blade only ever requires the Deflect and Sidestep power.
>>48039636
>A soulknife (gifted blade, psychic armory, war soul) wants to take mostly passive blade skills anyway.
I actually like the Psychic Strike blade skills, as well as the Panoply Barrage and Panoply Eruption.
>>48039606
Christ I wish they'd give a non-casting soft-fix.
>>48036731
>being this much of a piece of shit
Sounds like he didn't want actual critique, only a pat on the back for all that hard work.But fuck it, I'm gonna lay into this pile of shit because I'm bored.
http://pastebin.com/BSMWbJ9Y
>>48035725
What is Rough and Ready?
What do people think of the Hellknight supplement?
>>48039784
Underwhelming. Meh.
>>48039784
Eh.
>>48039806
In what way?
>>48039784
English motherfucker
>>48039784
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>48039784
It's alright. Nothing too exciting. I really wish they explore more on Lesser Order.Especially since our party just decimate all member of Order of the Pike in our game
>>48036536
I don't have the time to go through and critique this right now, but a gun-magic archetype would be neat.
>>48039767
The trait that let you use your profession's tool as improvise weapon without penalty.Profession:Courtesan and panty
>>48039845
Ah, thanks.
>>48039806
>>48039837
Please elaborate
>as an orc, take the Brevoy Bandit trait
>STR to Profession (Courtesan)
>beat clients into submission to make sure they pay you
>>48039874
Why don't you just go back a few thread and read them yourself?
>>48039784
There's a couple of nice things here and there, but nothing particularly exciting.
>>48039875
http://archivesofnethys.com/TraitDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Brevoy%20Bandit
>[PFS Legal] Brevoy Bandit
>Source People of the River pg. 12 (Amazon)
>Category Region
>Requirement(s) Mivon
>You fled the persecution of Brevoy authorities and wound up in Mivon. Whether or not you are guilty of your alleged crimes, you seek to build a new life amid new neighbors. Choose one Profession skill and one ability score other than Wisdom. You add that ability score’s modifier in addition to your Wisdom modifier on checks with the chosen Profession skill.
Why is this the single best and worst trait in the system?
"Because I fled from my life of banditry, I can now apply my Strength modifier to my Profession (midwife) checks. A stuck baby is no match for my rippling muscles!"
"Because I fled from my life of banditry, I can now apply my Dexterity modifier to my Profession (barrister) checks. I literally dance around a subject!"
"Because I fled from my life of banditry, I can now apply my Charisma modifier to my Profession (gardener) checks. My plants literally love me!"
Akashic Shitsteries is coming out today, right?
Should it come with a free PDF from PsyBomb on how to actually use these classes? They've got more trap options than a Paizo release and there's only a really limited number of ways to make a "good" tier 3 guru or vizier or whatever.
>>48036861
Oh my fucking god his reddit history
>Arcane Archers tend to be rarely seen, self-educated, and self-governed. They tend to only work with teams that fulfill there need for magic, nature, and intrigue. Arcane Archers are considered non-materialistic, but not in a way a Paladin or Druid would be. They simply see little need for gold and live only to excite themselves. Male Arcane Archers can be selfish, stubborn, and even evil. Female Arcane Archers tend to live in small pods of two or three others female Elves. Typically with other Arcane Archers, Wizards, Rangers, and Sorceresses. They are far more territorial and reluctant to group with non-Elves. Though they are seen committing less acts of evil and caring more for life and nature than male Arcane Archers. They can be evil. They usually decide rear female Elves themselves and send male children to an adoptive family of their choice. Arcane Archers tend to be monogamous with other Arcane Archers, Wizards, and Sorcerers. Rangers, Bards, Druids, and Clerics are rarely chosen as partner and rarely seen as a long term mate. This is most likely for magical progeny or a hold out from tradition Arcane Schools and Bloodlines. Arcane Archers' life spans tend to be normal for their race and rarely do Arcane Archers strive for Lichdom.
>>48040159
>men are evil!
>i mean, women CAN be evil, but only if they WANT to, unlike men, who are evil!
I could mistake this for a 1pp blurb
>>48040159
>a single line for males amounting to "men are dicks".
>literally half the writeup devoted to superior female-specific traits
Wew lad. Daddy issues?
What if as outsiders, these creatures can shrug off much mundane damage because most physical laws don't apply to them
>>48039608
Look at this faggot, I bet he doesn't even love cock.
>>48040302
Tch, what a homo. What is he, gay?
>>48035725
>Why aren't you playing a kitsune vigilante (night terror) with Innocuous Servant, Companion to the Lonely, a Traveler's Any-Tool, and Rough and Ready who pretends to be a loving maid and fights with mops and brooms?
Becausethat's my cohort.
>>48040159
>female archers live in "pods"
>they only ever live with elves
>they have to be female elf casters specifically
>will mate with and only keep female elf children
I think this is some magical realm leaking through.
>>48040159
>wake up
>time to check /pfg/, see if anything needs any help
>see this right off the bat
What the fuck?
>>48040353
Some?
>>48040159
Okay I can understand how a certain class like paladin has a code that you have to follow. I just can't understand how every single arcane archer has the same way of life right down to what they do with children.
>>48035725
Reply: because I am playing a Construct Rider Alchemist who is obviously Human, and not an Android.
Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.
>>48040616
It'd make more sense if it was something like:
>Most Arcane Archers are from %insert a particular variety of elves%
>That variety of elves has traits X, Y, and Z.
>>48040312
>>48040302
Man I really want to try playing an esquire Cavalier but I have no idea how to even into Cavalier
This class is so fucking bad how did Paizo do this.
>>48040665
How's it bad?
>>48040624
Not a nanoscopic amount of suspicion here!
>>48040674
He's probably the guy who look at Cavalier's order and get confused a few thread ago.
>>48040674
The cavalier? Banner is a pretty crap ability, tactician kinda sucks because its a very limited number of feats, and being mounted is either really good or absolutely dick sucking awful.
There's a reason this class is t5, i get its idea but when you can legitimately build a better Cavalier out of the Fighter or Paladin Chassis and get a character thats just as effective, shits mad questionable.
>>48036536
This class has way too many dead levels, have something become available each level else no one would want to bother with this class
What is the point of the do not copy declaration? Even Paizo doesn't do that shit
>>48040719
To be fair, nearly all of his dead levels DO progress some class feature or another, like a lot of Paizo's classes, he just didn't deign to put them on the table like literally everyone else ever.
>>48040665
Esquire, order of the tome.
Buff you human-dog slave paladin with your scroll. While laughing "ohohohohoho die for me".
>>48040727
Ah, well, he should've pasted them in to actual class progression table then, that critique is probably going to come up often
>>48040746
It has. As noted above, he's been spamming it on reddit for months and throwing a similar tantrum every time we don't see his genius. I'm pretty sure he's on the road to supervillainy at this point.
>>48040744
my only problem with order of the tome is the caster level gimping, doesn't seem to be a way to ungimp it for better spells, and scrolls are expensive.
Order of the Tome is a neat concept but 99% of the time you have a full caster in the party who would make better use of every scroll, let alone just outright having the spells to cast.
>>48040761
That's fucking insane, also hilarious your quip and sad that he's doing that. Mind pasting the link to the reddit thread?
>>48040788
Most recent was last night, few hours before he brought it here
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/4qimlm/homebrew_4th_times_a_charm/
>>48040807
>Unfortunately BAB is tied to HD in PF
>>48040777
I think you are suppose to take this feat?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/esoteric-linguistics
Since you don't get caster level gimp with normal UMD, and the passive "treat ability score as +x higher" is still apply to you.
With +1/2 level Linguistic bonus, it might be good to take Orator too.
>>48040807
Thanks brah
>>48040854
Let's see.. at level 10.
+10 rank
+3 class skill
+5 order bonus
+6 skill focus
= +24 before ability score or masterwork's tool
not too bad I guess?
>>48040854
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/esoteric-linguistics
>There's a feat that lets you use scrolls normally
>to fix the problem of the order
>it requires TWO FEATS
>So you have to spend TWO FEATS so your specialized Order can do something that Casters JUST DO willy nilly
>You still have to spend a shit ton of money on it to be useful at all
forwhatpurpose.jpg
>>48040894
anon. Full BAB class being able to cast 8th-level spell at level 20 is a BIG PROBLEM.According to Paizo :3c
>>48040911
hey hey
its 8th level spells
FROM SCROLLS
3000 gold per spell!
>>48040924
Money is meaningless in PF after a certain point, and you know it.
>jojo-themed game
>all players are avant guard kineticists
>their stand (yes, magnum opus, not the PC) is gestalted with any companionless class they want
How terrible of an idea would this be?
>>48040961
So you have an Eidolon with Character levels.
Why bother playing a character and just play the stand.
