Pathfinder General /pfg/
Spy edition
What secrets do you want to uncover?
PoW brawler and PoW vigilante link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWw7bVMARxrXfRuOW20NlRqXEnS_XGLPT6LHTbz2qME/edit#heading=h.fr0xm36g4eum
Broken Blade errata to shut up ogres when?
Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hdPm41ad
Please search for the unerrata'd content here:
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Old Thread: >>48014182
Don't mind me, nothing to see here.
A spy in an ostentatious outfit sneaking into a medusa court? I want to know what the hell that guy was thinking and who the dumbass is that made him a spy.
Asking again here since new-thread while I'd been writing it:
We looted a Madsen Light Machine Gun. It is very expensive, and now its mine.
Now I need to figure out how I can optimize this, because it seems to be immune to damage increases from feats.
>>48025835
Please anon, story feats?
>>48025835
>All the archetypes are for the vigilante
Into the trash it goes
>>48025861
How much are you willing to pay for that information?
>>48025835
Could I just get a quick summary of the vigilante archetypes?
>>48025875
Vigilante archetypes you say? I can sure take care of that.
>Agathiel is animorphshow long until someone combines it with Companion to the Lonely?
>>48025877Nothing because I'm broke?
>>48025896
No.You get all of them.
>>48025877
> prototype fireaem schemetic is 6x the price of firearm
Why?
>>48025909
>Animorphs
Oh my God, they totally are.
>>48025915
Not enough cash, stranger
>>48025915
>>48025953
I'll sell it at a high price
>>48025942
Literally: Paizo hates anything more advanced than a bow (starfinder's gonna be REAL special) whether it's a crossbow (we get the ancient greek/roman versions minus their actual power), a gun (hey there multiple feats to still not be as good until you also get a class ability) or a high-tech weapon (don't worry, by the time you can afford that laser, nothing isn't at least loaded with high fire resist or outright immunity to it).
>>48025946
And this is bad why?
>>48025909
Pretty sure it been done during its conception by a certain fox furry
>>48025909
>>48025926
Thank you!
R-r-repost
>>48025972
It's not, I'm just genuinely surprised that it became a thing.
>>48025992
Now to take it from the top.
>>48025972
Is it weird that I can name every one of the Animorphs in that picture?
>>48026005
Bunch of traits. Are they any good? Fuck if I know.
>>48026017
Sekrit missions. Some of these are kind of neat, though they mostly seem like DM sidequests that you can use to get small bonuses in between bigger missions. Not like the School ones, which are all solo things.
>>48026035
Some more Sekrit missions, this time with sekrit organizations.
>>48026017
Deep Cover is good. It's vague enough that you could use it to most Bluff and Disguise checks, so long as you're always maintaining your identity. Combine that with Fiery Glare to take 10 on Intimidate and all you have to roll in social scenarios is Diplomacy and Sense Motive.
>>48026049
Skip a few already-posted pages to get to information about some spy organizations with a few traits and feats thrown in.
>>48026066
Same thing as before, more feats/traits/spells/whatever. There's a nice smattering of stuff available.
>>48026083
Skip past the Vigilante archetypes and we get to some spells, with one goofy-ass motherfucker scrying on someone.
gar·ru·lous
ˈɡer(y)ələs/
adjective
adjective: garrulous
excessively talkative, especially on trivial matters.
>>48026093
Fucking godddamn
>>48026108
And last but not least, magic items. Concealed looks nifty, although I'm not sure exactly how it works? I guess it doubles as Shrink Object.
>>48026108
Social SPELLS are stupid.
Yeah let me just loudly speak and wave my arms around in a 'secretive' scenario - or in this case, just flail my fucking arms around - in a way that literally anyone with magical training can easily identify.
Brilliant plan. This is why Psion is better. Just expend focus to take 15 on the concentration check to hide your displays and you're good.
>>48026108
>claim identity, greater
I wonder if my GM will allow me to combine this with permanency and start a collection.
>>48025766
Hey /pfg/. I'm trying to rewrite the Drow so that they aren't a racist caricature of black people. At first I thought to just make them white and patriarchal, but that's kind of boring so I thought about making all drow nobles into blond-haired blue-eyed nazis and drow commoners into a thinly-veiled stand-in for african-americans in the American South.
Thoughts?
>>48026160
Still spell. Silent spell. Slight of hand/bluff check to conceal as part of conversation.
>>48026172
Suddenly, you are the Happy Mask Salesman.
>>48026184
If the spells don't come without V/S components they shouldn't exist, you can't use those spells as-written in social scenarios. Not to mention, high-level NPCs are going to have Arcane Sight and similar going on, so it wouldn't even work.
>>48026176
>Hey /pfg/. I'm trying to rewrite the Drow so that they aren't a racist caricature of black people.
Is it this bait or are you really fucking stupid?
>>48026204
That's horrifying. Amazing, but horrifying.
>>48026172
>>48026204
GM here, I'd allow it if you were in my group, because that's fantastic.
>>48026235
Just like the Happy Mask Salesman.
>>48026184
>Slight of hand/bluff check to conceal as part of conversation.
Source?
Should I use Arcane Eye or Prying Eyes for scouting a wizard's castle?
>>48026260
I don't know if there's specific rules for it, but I've known several GMs who allowed checks for concealing verbal/somatic components. There's also class abilities for I think Bard that allow you to do something similar, concealing spells cast as part of a song/performance.
>>48026264
Whichever one gives you the vaguest answers, because honestly, you do NOT want to know all the shit that's gone down or is going down in a wizard's castle.
>>48026283
So, house rule. Lame, I was hoping for a official way to do it.
>>48026244
The best part is it's not even busted, the spell ends instantly if the mask gets damaged.
But the end result is a person that's been watching atrocities performed in their body without any kind of control for days, months, maybe even years, suddenly let free.
What happens?
>>48026306
I didn't say it wasn't an official rule, I just don't know where it comes from other than its something groups I've played with have used.
>>48026264
Depends on the size of the castle, what you're looking for, the castle's illumination, and your caster level.
Prying Eyes has no darkvision or anything, and no light source of its own. If the castle's well-lit, use it - it lasts an hour per level.
Arcane Eye sees as you do, so cast Darkvision on yourself before you use it if the castle's dark, but it's also only minute/level to use, so you have to work rather quickly (or use a lot of spell slots) to explore much.
I personally use both to get the general layout of things, then Clairaudience/Clairvoyance to look at specific rooms in detail. Scrying, of course, is vastly superior if you know what you're looking for, but its cast time is huge.
>>48025909
>>48025926
>An animorphs archetype for the vigilante that gives "all-day" beast shape without ability score bonuses, but at least you can get level 8 pounce
>a kind of shitty "guys look we skimmed American history and learned about the underground railroads!" archetype
>ultra-weeb "guys we realized we forgot to invalidate the ninja when we invalidated the rogue": the archetype
>talent to skip prereqs for spring attack, making it almost a viable feat
>"Here, trade your social talents to get these shitty feats we know nobody will take otherwise! Yes they're still feats, but we know they're useless otherwise!"
Exactly as disappointing overall as I expected it to be but holy fuck that Agathial archetype is dank as fuck for people who want shapeshifting, and pounce means if you don't want combat feats you don't need to worry too much. I wonder if DMs would be willing to let a spellcaster craft a mask that gives you the ability score buffs and additional monster abilities while in your animal vigilante identity, or if Paizo will eventually make that an item themselves?I bet someone is going to play a RoW campaign as an Agathian Aasimar Agathiel with a Wolf Form identity. I know I would.
>>48026220
They're black because they're evil. No shit. The paizo devs have even said that elves change their skin color based on alignment.
>>48026204
>>48026172
Here's an idea: Use a little bit of Necromancy and Claim Identity/Greater to craft a dead humanoid body/soul into a mask, and wearing it temporarily alters the bearer's race, racial abilities, and even their class level(s) [to a maximum of the wearer's hit dice]? Too much, or not taking it far enough? Because I want to make some Majora's Mask fuckery a reality.
>>48026353
It's a pretty big castle, and I don't think Arcane Eye will have enough time to explore the whole thing. I would go with Prying Eyes, except there are two major drawbacks it has they Arcane Eye doesn't: the eyes from Prying Eyes are visible and easily destroyed, and you only receive information from them when the eye returns to you... whereas Arcane Eye creates an invisible sensor that I receive live feedback from.
Both spells are also easily trumped by a pretty simple mundane defense- they can't open or bypass a door (unless that door has a pretty large hole in it). So I kind of expect to not get a lot of useful information from either spell, but even if we just learn a couple useful things like where some minions are it'll be worth the time. Because of that, I'm leaning more towards Arcane Eye (less chance of the eye being destroyed and some info gained even if it is), but I thought maybe someone at /pfg/ would know something I'm missing about the spells, or a better alternative to either.
>>48026448
*Would note that such racial abilities, class abilities, etc. would override the wearer's and not stack. Surely it's a given, but I felt the clarification was necessary for whatever reason
How does a mystics blade meditation work? It doesn't seem all that helpful.
If someone with a Permanency spell on them enters an Antimagic Field, what happens? Does their permanent buff go away forever, or come back after leaving the field, or does it only go away if you're in the AMF so long that the original spell's duration times out (since AMF suppresses Permanency and the spell it was cast on, but allows their duration to keep ticking)?
>>48026398
>That spoiler
Knowing /pfg/, a character like that has mere minutes before they get theirears scritched.
>>48026504
Lemme see if I can put it down properly:
>Spend 1 point of Animus and 1 full-round
>All but granted maneuvers are flushed and randomized; basically just take your maneuvers known and shuffle them around, then draw from the 'deck' to your maximum allotted.
>Until the beginning of the next round, enemies that melee attack you (they don't even have to connect) is subject to 1d6 points of damage of your active element per point of remaining animus the Mystic has in their Animus Pool (this Animus isn't spent; only the single point used to activate Blade Meditation).
It's basically a "BACK THE FUCK UP" defensive ability as the Mystic tries to hastily gather their maneuvers.
>>48026398
>>48026568
In hindsight, you're still gimped because the wolf forms are shit for offense (only a bite + trip, no claws, rake, or pounce) and don't offer much compared to the big cat options, hell, you can be a leopard at level 4 and get a bite + 2 claw attacks from the get-go. Unless your GM lets you refluff the big cat statblocks into wolvesWHICH HE FUCKING SHOULD BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO ALLOW ITyou're boned harder than I originally thought. You have options, at least, especially since you can go for EITHER stalker or avenger with similar results, but... The archetype is just kind of meh. It does what it says, and it does it competently for a martial class, but it's still worse than similar abilities.
>Knowing /pfg/, a character like that has mere minutes before they get theirears scritched.
Considering the kind of people that are in /pfg/, I wouldn't be surprised if they resorted tobelly rubs. The degenerates.
>>48026353
Scrying only works on a specific person, so is useless for 'scouting'.
>>48026718
>what is scrying on a Prying Eye
>>48026739
You can't scry on a spell. Spells aren't people.
>>48026757
>Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple, that has 1 hit point, AC 18 (+8 bonus for its size), flies at a speed of 30 feet with a +20 bonus on Fly skill checks and a +16 bonus on Stealth skill checks.
You're fucking retarded.
>>48026769
>Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple, that has 1 hit point, AC 18 (+8 bonus for its size), flies at a speed of 30 feet with a +20 bonus on Fly skill checks and a +16 bonus on Stealth skill checks.
>Each eye is a Fine construct,
>Fine construct,
>Fine
>construct,
Fucking retard. Are constructs not creatures now?
>>48026768
They didn't used to be constructs so his confusion is understandable.
>>48026769
Ahaha no, faggot, you don't get to delete your post, get back here and accept your shame.
>>48026792
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/pryingEyes.htm
Yes, they were. Shut the fuck up.
>>48026176
Too obvious.
Would an Inquisitor that does the following be NG or CG?
>Ignores man's law (when needed) to remove heresy and corruption in the nobility and lower churches
>Would interrogate even his superiors in the church to find heresy
>Wouldn't outright murder heretics, but arrest them
>Isn't kind in the Paladin sense, but all his actions are for the good of the land
>Disguises, Stealths and tresspasses to find heresy
>>48027236
NG, maybe even LG.
>>48027251
Could you fucking not?
>>48027251
>>48027326
Are you spamming to get us to hate it or something?
>>48027251
>Only two males are Drow
>Four females
>Only one reasonably armored doesn't even have a helmet
>The elf has what looks like a low-cut crew neck dress
>All of them wearing black boots
To be fair, the artist isn't that bad
>>48027326
>>48027329
Is this a /pfg/ meme
>>48027329
>Holy Gun
>Flavour and Fluff describes it rooting out evil with holy fire.
>Loses Smite Evil.
>Smiting Shot fizzles out if hitting non evil creature.
Hoo boy. Is there a way to make this work without multiclassing with Gunslinger?
>>48027347
>Only two males are Drow
Margrave is /still/ a maenad.
>The elf has what looks like a low-cut crew neck dress
...Vhat?
>Only one reasonably armored doesn't even have a helmet
In fairness, they're posing for a picture. Though you're right, there's two chain shirts and one suit of mail in this image, and 'chain shirt' is second-place only to 'studded leather' for idiotic ideas D&D invented in terms of armor.
So is anyone else looking forward to this shit?
>>48027378
Yeah.
Play a regular Paladin and use a bow. Then refluff it as a gun. Whoopee. Or use DSP's alternate firearm rules that have no misfire bullshit and take EWP (Firearms).
>>48027405
Look carefully at the second one.
>>48027406
No. There's no reason to look forward to anything Paizo produces anymore, they're clearly just milking their cash cow before it dies.
>>48027236
Sounds LG to me.
![[SAVE ME].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/48IvTlQ.jpg "[SAVE ME].jpg")
I'm playing a level 13 Slayer in a campaign about to wind down with a climactic confrontation between a high-level spellcaster built on mind-control and a Great Red Wyrm.
The DM has just given us the green-light to make up a "wish list" of items I would want for this end-game boss fight. What should I suggest?Currently I've got a +1 Greatsword, +2 Breastplate, +2 Cloak of Resistance, +1 Ring of Protection. The character has a special template that gives him one free reroll on a failed save per day, true-seeing at will and light at-will.
>>48027406
I look forward to paizo books about as much as I look forward to shit like E3 and other game conventions. Most of them are going to be full of shit, but once in a while there's something worth bothering with tucked away in a corner that I can get excited for.That dragon book set to come out in a month or two better be dank as fuck, though, or I'm going to be legit disappointed.
>>48027326
I'm surprised someone hasn't shopped Loss in yet.
>>48025766
Hey /pfg/.
I'm making a boss fight for my group.
A huge Construct called "The Fat Lady". She sings. and has a very large amount of artillery underneath her steel plated skirt. She's built for area of effect attacks.
How would you guys build it? So i can steal your ideas shamelessly or at least get a feel for what i should do.
Do natural ranged attacks provoke?
>>48027471
How so?
>>48027594
Lady, meet prince on white horse.
>>48027623
Sounds like he has a strong code of justice and what's right and wrong. He works within society to root out the elements that are hurting it, nonviolently when possible. The fact that he uses the tools necessary for the job (stealth, disguises) is irrelevant to alignment.
>>48027427
Still not quite getting what you're after, but all future reference, the chain shirts are on Margrave (far left) and Aisling (but why is she blonde). Anastasia (redhead, next to Aisling) has full mail but wears the leggings you're seeing over her light greaves, a tip Aisling gave her for street fights. Contessa (white hair with the glowing tips, next to Aisling) wears glamered armor; Sybil (next to Anastasia) goes without.
>>48027594
>CR = Party Level
>Use Low Attack and Low Damage column for her melee attacks, but grant AC one CR higher than normal
>Primary attack DC should use the High column, +2
>Completely immobile.
>DR/Adamantine based on CR (5 for 1-5, 10 for 6-10, 15 for 11-16, 20 for 17-19, 30 for 20)
>Three main attacks:
>Fire Wave (Burst centered on her, 1d6 Fire per HD, Reflex half, blocked by obstacles). Place columns in the room for PCs to take cover behind.
>Shockwave (She hits the ground. 30' or so Cone, 1d6 per 2 HD, Fortitude vs. Prone, success no Prone and half damage. Cone knocks down columns onto PCs for minor (1d6-3d6) damage and Pinned, Reflex to avoid entirely)
>Maddening Gas (Cloud of noxious vapors in a 10' radius Emanation somewhere within 60', causes Confusion on a failed Will save, Success causes Shaken instead, persists for 3 rounds, new save each round to shake it off, no extra saves allowed if you end turn in the cloud, lasts for 2d4 rounds after exiting regardless of saves)
>She isn't alone in the room, single monster encounters suck.
>Holes in the walls with Small constructs. Very fast, move in pairs, wimpy on their own (CR + PC level - 4), 4 of them total, make them creepy mechanical children that run on all fours, Claw+Claw+Bite full attack with Pounce and a Climb speed, immune to her special attacks, generally try to flank PCs that get caught in the fumes or pinned under a column.
>2 Large Honor Guards. High AC, High to-hit, High damage, DR/Adamantine, modest HP, no special attacks, immune to her special attacks, but 5' land speed. Reach weapon with Trip attempt on success. Stand near the Lady at all times, try to keep the PCs away.
>>48027740
Look at the faces.
>>48027790
Oh, Jesus, I thought you were replying to my question about the crew-neck comment. I noticed the face swap the first time it happened, two threads ago. 'twas fuckin' hilarious.
>>48027790
Huh, that's pretty awesome. Though how would you alter it if The Fat Lady WAS alone?
I suppose the Source material might help a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9ndl/discuss?Ultimate-Occult
So now we can leave reviews.
>>48027882
If I HAD to? Give her double actions per round if she's above CR 8 or so, make the Shockwave Daze on a failed save and Stagger on a successful one (for 3 rounds), and make the fumes cause Nausea on a failed save and Sickening on a successful one (same duration).
The reason solo encounters go poorly is the players' raw action economy advantage. Bosses need to reduce that advantage significantly to have a chance of surviving, either by having minions, or things that kill actions.
Oh, I forgot to mention. Every ability has a 1d4-1 round cooldown, so she can't spam things easily.
>>48027932
Good points. Though now that i think of it, The small constructs could be bodies that are strung across her that jump off and attack if the party gets too close.
>>48027987
The small ones aren't meant to kill the PCs, they're supposed to be harriers. Bother the caster with defensive casting, give the Honor Guards flanking bonuses, shit like that. They have same role as goblins in an Orc encampment.
>>48028025
Oh i get that, its more me figuring out reasons what the little baby constructs would be there.
I'm kinda flavoring The Fat Lady as a sort of Mob/Army buster, where they just drop her in a location and she starts cleaning house. So having her "Corpse Decorations" be part of her arsenal makes sense to me. Though the Honor Guard ones would have to come separately.
This has been really helpful! thank you sir.
>>48028185
No worries, I do this sort of thing often.
Interesting encounter design is a hobby of mine.
>>48027790
>CR = Party Level
>bossfight
Wat. Bossfights should be AT LEAST PL+3, going as high as PL+6 for an optimized party.
Which order is the best for an Esquire Cavalier.
>>48027896
So, any clean enough examples of plagarism we can post?
>>48028240
The effective CR of an encounter with one CR=Level, two CR=Level-2 and four CR=Level-4 monsters is CR=Level+3.
Example: 4x CR1 Giant Fly = 400*4=1600xp, plus 2x CR3 Kech = 800*2=1600xp, plus 1x CR5 Achaierai=1600xp; 1600*3=4800xp, the normal value of a CR 8 encounter.
Please read the whole post before you judge it, it's just rude.
>>48028308
The Vitalist archetype's Collective IIRC has near-identical wording to DSPs Vitalist class' Collective.
>>48028348
>>48028308
I would be careful. Between OGL, "but that's the point," and Paizo probably already aware of the situation, there is a fine line between responses being legitimate complaints and "an attack from another website" (like before).
Any review has to be well-informed and not your typical 4chan shitpost. Not that I had to point out the obvious.
>>48025909
>Unlike with normal polymorph effects, the agathiel's equipment does not meld with his form, and instead changes shape to fit his animal form and provide the same function
>you can have a catfolk who turns into a Leopard wearing a chain shirt
>you can have a guy turn into a koala wearing a miniature breastplate and toting around a mini greatsword
>you can have an agathian turn into a fullplate-wearing, sword-toting wolf, if your GM allows mouthgrips
What the fuck is paizo doing and why is it absolutely fantastic
>>48028457
That's why I asked "clean enough"
Because this reeks of a cheap chinese knockoff, but it tickles their "limits per day" fancy and would probably get backed harder.
>>48028472
I can't even bring myself to hate it for being furry shit, because it's just so stupid. It's so stupid and ridiculous it wraps all the way around to being amazing.
>>48028185
>>48028205
Maybe make the honor guard the things that drop her, and can if they so choose work in concert to move her on the battlefield or in the battle field?
>>48028205
A thought. Give a an anti bardic music effect.
Like, the equivalent of an inspire courage, but as a penalty instead of a bonus that is save resisted?
>>48028487
I would focus more on the quality of the product, they're going to use the line, "...don’t want to miss out on the ideas originally presented as psionics" as a get out of jail for free card when it comes to plagiarism.
>>48028538
Who wants to go on there and just say the words "spheres art"?
Man, reviewing things when all the moderators are all "this is a safespace, every thing is triggers" is hard
>>48028528
In general? Yes, a Dirge of Doom (this idea of yours was thought of 10 years ago, I'm afraid) is a good mechanic for bosses to use. In this instance? Not with all the other saves going on, excesses of rolling slow the game down. I'd use it with a more martial boss, and have the Dirge come from two CR-2 minions. I'm a fan of twisted angels with four faces accompanying a powerful fiend, each of them a choir in their own right.
Dirge of Doom is good because it's easily scaleable, though. You can range from Some Asshole Fiddler at the low levels to a twenty-armed harp daemon that produces more than just debuffs.
>>48028460
Has to be medium or small anon. This is what it would look like.
>>48028574
RULES OF NATURE
>>48028574
10/10 would go on adventures with.
>>48028556
I'm naive and optimistic, so I'm going to say, "If everyone is reasonable, we can all be friends!"
We should also not drown them in negativity on day one of reviews. In fact, "we" shouldn't do anything, if you catch my drift.
>>48028574
>Puppy Sif
Even sadder when you have to disembowel it to continue the game
>>48028586
u wot fgt?
>>48028746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RlSgnpLbro
>>48028725
Tbh I'd rather people go leave reviews for DSP's occult stuff. Whether it's good or bad (I wouldn't know, I haven't paid attention to it), I feel like there'd be more positivity on the living legend and that's nicer for everyone's collective day.
How do you pull off one-liners without them being either cringe or unfunny?
>>48029047
accept the cringe
enjoy your party's suffering
>>48029032
where does one review it, do they have a thread?
I've long given up even trying to access the DSP site. That thing's always down
>>48029047
By being funny and not making people cringe.
Personally, I like the terrible, cringe-y one-liners. Much easier to do, and it's great fun trying to make everyone at the table groan and throw their empty cans at you.
Howdy again anons. Posting the link to the trivial amount of work ive managed to come up with for my PoW City campaign idea once again.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lfx-gM2Lr0B5X5p0SP1bxvjxxPCtI5_kRuDMJRDFJxU/edit?usp=sharing
Currently in the process of changing apartments so ive had little time to put any efforts into it.
>>48029085
There's always the Paizo product thread for it. I'd say DriveThruRPG but you have to actually buy it from there to leave a review, which...well, y'know.
I do want to stress that your honest opinions are valued and valuable.
Is there anything lewd in the Spymaster's Handbook?
>>48029047
The trick is to use puns.
>>48029047
>>48029324
Not just any puns. The W O R S T puns.
>>48029300
Nothing unless you count a spell that lets you transform someone into a mask, then wear the mask to assume their form, then fuck someone while wearing their form while they're still conscious inside the mask.
>>48029460
Good way to torture someone.
What the fuck am i supposed to do when a player says stuff like "just cut the useless crap" and proceeds to lie his dumb fucking head on the table when they're ambushed by three fucking trolls and his friend is grabbed by a wyvern?
Maybe he was sincerely tired and I'm making a fuss over nothing, but i got pissed enough to stop the game there.
Fuck
>>48029300
Why is this your first question? Kill yourself.
>>48029553
Here's a secret that always resolves conflict in games:Just fucking talk to him about it you fucking sperg ________________________________________________________________________________
>>48029553
Stopping the game was the right thing to do if you got pissed. Calm down, then have a talk with him about why he did it, how you find his behavior childish and useless, and what he should do instead if he finds himself in that situation again.
If he can't do that, kick him from the game.
>>48029695
>always
You know good and well it only works if both parties are reasonable adults. Plenty of times you can't even assume that of one side.
>>48028737
Puppy Sif has Artorias's shield that protects him from urban violence.
There's no way you'll be able to shank him.
I'm starting a Curse of the Crimson Throne campaign on thursday as the DM. Any last minute tips for someone who's never run through it before?
>>48029725
Try it first, (don't assume it you spaz) and if he doesn't change, then kick him out or leave.
>>48029778
I'm not the guy who originally asked, nigger.
>>48029695
Dude in question is borderline aspie, you can't fucking reason with him
>>48029701
>kick him from the game
If he keeps this up, I'll be happy to oblige
>>48029770
Give your PCs a good reason to be a group other than to kill Gaedren. That happens way sooner than it needed to considering every campaign trait is centered around how hard he screwed you all over. Also, don't let the party Oracle cast Bestow Curse on a rakshasa the first time they meet, with the curse being "You can't flee from combat with us." It doesn't end well for the party.
>>48029867
Underage detected
>>48027478
>Level 13
>That equipment
What
>>48030120
>>48029867
>underage filth in my Taiwanese dog recipe forum
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>48029867
>>48030120
Why do children think vulgarity makes them cool? I know I used to, but I can't remember why I was so stupid.
Do you guys know of any consumables (other than scrolls and such that are just one use spells) that give useful, long-lasting buffs? Even if it's a minor buff, like a small bonus to a save or the ability to reroll something once.
>>48030292
Because cool people in movies are profane. They just don't know how to use it appropriately. Fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ7lIRvb4-g
>>48030310
The best kind of vulgarity is a single 'fuck'
>>48030310
>>48030292
Yeah, we are cool adults that don't use profanities and listen only to jazz while sipping mojito
>>48030405
you're a cum-guzzling queermosexual
>>48030436
Nigga, the fuck is a mojito? is it like a 'margaritaville'?
Deleting posts does not make the internet forget.
>>48030440
And you're a fucking child who can't insult people properly
>>48027406
Whats it about ?
>>48030405
>I'm so mature that even my swearing on the internet leaks mediocrity
>>48030472
Maybe they're talking about their solar system's first planet?
>inb4 first world problems
>>48030474
Not an argument
>>48030454
>Adults
>>48030470
>oh look at me, i'm one of the faggy-bottom boys, singing about how i live in constant sorrow, mostly because my waifu isnt real and wouldnt touch me at night if she was
>>48030472
The land of the Fair Folk.
The Lords And Ladies.
Fcukin' Fey Son!
Lets Tam Lin this shit.
>>48030482
Isn't the First World the Pathfinder version of the Feywild from D&D?
>>48030486
Hiding behind semantics already?
>>48030527
Yes, it is.
>>48030527
I think so.
There will be puns.
>>48030549
>sementics
>>48025766
Are there any books describing good- or neutral-aligned cultures of orcs, drow or other traditional evil bags of experience points?
>>48030695
>good- or neutral-aligned cultures of orcs, drow
>>48027407
That's just a shame. Would have been nice tokick ass for the Lord.
>>48030467
What was this in reference to?
>>48030467
What's he yapping about?
>>48030695
There are plenty, just look up ones thats centered around human cultures :^)
>>48028460
>>48028574
Actually, how would you even build for this anyway? You don't even get a "real" talent until level 6, unless we get an Extra Vigilante Talent feat and Agathian Blessing counts as a talent. Avenger gives you that higher BaB and armor talents, but the pseudo-sneak attack dice would probably be just as good since you can't take as much advantage of talents. You don't get ability score boosts from being transformed, and having all your gear is kind of useless if you don't have any way to actually make use of half of it.
If you want to actually fight, you obviously want something like a Leopard or Jaguar, but what then? What exactly can the Agathiel do that a Synthesist Summoner with full mental stats can't? Besides "not being a caster", because that isn't a positive in this system.And I guess since I might as well, if you have 25 PB you could probably pull off a Catfolk into Leopard with 14/18 post-racials for Str/Dex, spread the rest around between Con > Wis > Int >>>Cha. Grab the catfolk feat to remove the charging penalty, then Lethal Grace at 6 to go with your Stalker specialization, slap power attack on, and yay. You're still worse than a Synthesist.
>>48030834
Why is there a branch growing out of that cat's anus?
>The moon is swallowed up, all the stars wink out of the sky, one by one, and the sun never rises. As even the glimmer of passing ships disappear, lighthouse's lights become the only ones left in the hungry darkness.
>There are things, below the water. Tremendous, titanic shapes that slowly circle the lighthouse as the waters rise. The things sing mournful, terrible songs to each other in the depths, filling the PCs minds with horrible, unsettling imaginings.
How do I creepy lighthouse adventures?
>>48030834
Jesus christ, what happened to that cats ass?
>>48030869
Avoid spamming adjectives like that, it's getting too close to telling instead of showing.
>>48030869
Probably play Sunless Sea.
>>48030850
>>48030875
It's probably something a wizard made, like an owlbear. I imagine it's called a treecat.
>>48030913
Nah, that stuffy pussy is probably just stiff. i swear bitches need to remove the sticks outta their ass.
>>48030869
Like this:
>The moon dissapears, taking all of the stars with it, and the sun never rises. Even the light of passing ships disappear, leaving the lighthouse's shine as the only beacon left in the darkness.
>There are tremendous, titanic things making shapes under the water. They slowly circle the lighthouse, and the waters rise. The things sing songs to each other in the depths, filling the PCs minds with dread.
I'm thinking about making a Dirge Bard.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo---bard-archetypes/dirge-bard
For hell's vengeance aiming for transforming into a lich via http://www.d20pfsrd.com/occult-adventures/occult-rules/occult-rituals#TOC-Eternal-Apotheosis
any advice? stat arrays? should i try to be an archer as well? Charnel Soldiers outflank shennaigans? dip lore oracle for cha to ac and know checks? leadership to get cronies for the ritual?
>>48029085
Review it on the paizo.Com page for the living legend. Not in the discussion but as a review. You don't have to buy it to do that.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9nat?Psionics-Augmented-Living-Legend
>>48027347
Those aren't boots they're miniature black holes.In this universe nobody has feet.
>>48029381
If the rest of the table doesn't hate you at least a little bit by the end of the night, your puns aren't bad enough.
>>48031259
Are the summoned undead bad to the bone?
>>48027478
Are you playing on a super low magic setting?
Is there a way to dualwield and take no negatives?
>>48031029
Dont dip, leadership is good but dont sacrifice followers as it permanently sends your score down per sacrifice. Instead just capture and restrain weak sacrifices as you're already an evil dickbag anyway
As for archery well, there are two ways to look at it. Either you max cha for song of death, or you dont and focus on other things. Just do what your attribute pool allows.
>>48030072
>>48031420
It's literally a plot point that the world suffered a Conjunction of the Spheres type event, and the church pinned the blame on casters (with the aid of a Demon Prince of Deception.) The world is extremely anti-magic, to the point I made my sword mithral because silvered blades is more practical than enchanting. Too much magic on us and the Inquisition starts sniffing in our business.
Which makes things awkward since my character is the only non-magical character (and human) in the partywith a Hamadryad waifu and changeling daughter.
>>48031493
Its 20 pt buy so im thinking maybe focus on cha and take all the damnation feats and do a intimidate an debuff/buff sorta thing and have my ogre blood skeleton or w/e smash them?not worried about penalties because of vile leadership i think i actually get bonuses for sacrificing them.
>>48030467
Darn, you didnt get the 4 replies to Crystal's comment. Still, nice work.
>>48031583
Why are you playing a martial in a low-magic campaign? Don't you know that "low-magic" just means martials get fucked even harder?
>>48026017
Why is Persuasive Insight, the Wisdom-based version of Clever Wordplay and Student of Philosophy, almost strictly worse than the latter two traits?
>>48031811
What's actually going on here? Other than passive-aggressive BS?
Assume following situation:
- You play as a Sorcerer (Arcane Bloodline, Human), levels 01-10
- All usual "must-have" spells are already covered
- Your other (usual) spells already makes you powerful enough in whatever field you want (blasting, bfc, debuffs, etc)
- You have two "free" spell-known slots per spell-level
Goal is to use that free slots on some thematic spells. To make said sorcerer more interesting to play ("as" and "with"), not just more powerful. On what spells would you use those "free slots"?
Do archer builds need Strength at all or no?
>>48031823
Because he's been the party damage dealer and absolutely vital to the party's occupation of monster hunting due to his extensive knowledge in tracking, nature and trap-building?
This campaign's already in the end-game and there hasn't been a single moment I felt like I was holding onto the casters for survival.The DM's also fantastic at the whole story thing, and has used his backstory in a way that makes his non-magical nature important.
>>48031903
Put it at 14 and forget about it.
>>48031903
Enough for a decent Composite Longbow, but other than that not really.
>>48031903
You typically want enough to get a bit of damage with composite longbows, but you don't need higher than a +2, generally speaking.
>>48031968
It also makes sense from a fluff perspective; the guy drawing high-strength bows will be buffer than the average twig.
>Ranger sluts have toned arms
>>48031903
Usually yes, but not a huge amount. 12-14 base after racials and keep items up should be plenty
Using 32 Point Buy, is 14 18 14 12 14 12 after racials a good stat array for a Sylph Ranger with the Archery Style tree?
>>48031903
It's just damage. You'll get a lot of attacks, sure, but making sure they hit is the best idea. With Clustered Shots you don't have to worry much about thresholds.
>>48032182
You could move the Con to Cha and make your character absolutely majestic.
>>48032205
I thought about that, but I like having a good Fort save, and I am awful at RPing high Charisma characters that aren't spontaneous casters.
>>48030695
In Eberron, sure.
>>48031823
>just means martials get fucked even harder?
Not necessarily if you're using item progression or actually take less magic into account when making encounters.
>>48032236
Your character could be a dashing folk hero, the village eagle eye! They nock an arrow and make that pose look *good.*
Basically, imagine a professional archer oozing with personality.
>>48031871
Discern Next of Kin. Don't waste a slot on it, just buy a page of spell knowledge, it's 1st level. Good for making sure your enemies' families don't come after you.
>>48032182
Rangers don't have a lot of good skills, and especially don't have Charisma-based ones. Intelligence and Charisma can be safely dumped.
>>48032311
>Discern Next of Kin
Fantastic!
>>48032273
>using something from Unchained that isn't rogue or monk
No one does this.
>>48032182
Why are you playing a ranger? Even if you're absolutely committed to the concept and 1pp-only, Hunter does the same thing but much better.
>>48032182
>sylph
Patrician
Lads, I'm about to play a sylph character and some of the disgusting plebeians in the game didn't pick slyphs too. How should I treat that kind of person, IC and OOC?
>>48032312
Yeah, but my DM hates the idea of dump stats, and likes to target Str-dumping casters with Shadows. I'd prefer to play it safeeven though I plan on doing the same to his 8 Str crafting-focused Sorcerer in the game I DM for him. RIP my witch.
>>48032373
Mainly for Favored Enemies, since the campaign will be about dragonslaying.
>>48032431
Damn right. Pic related
>>48032462
They're beneath you. Let them know it.
>>48032462
>playing anything but human
>playing a SPHESHULL human at that
Fuck, I hate planetouched
>>48031865
Because Paizo thinks Int deserves to be inherently better than any other stat.
>>48032490
Sylph are so haughty, it's like their head is always in the clouds.
>>48032512
Good, good. Pls feed me lots of your rage and tears, you commoner scum.
>>48032490
Of course, just wanted to be sure my fellow patricians agreed on this.
Hey /pfg/, need a good French-sounding surname for my Galtean Warder. can you help?
>>48032613
Carolingian?
>>48032613
Something ending in -eaux
>>48031865
>Student of Philosophy,
It's about on par with Student of Philosophy
>>48032624
>>48032691
. . . Caroleaux?
>>48031871
Depends on your character concept I suppose. For me it was Animate dead after Confusion, Arcane eye and Boneshatter.
Really useless known slot since I mostly created undead on our off days with maybe one or two mid-combat exceptions but my character was a necromancer in denial and it was fun to constantly shout "I'm NOT a necromancer dad!" when his daddy issues arise.
>>48032691
>>48032704
Carolingian is an actual historical French name, specifically the second dynasty of kings ever to rule a French nation.
>>48032728
Fantastic if you want to tie your character to Charlemagne
Does anyone know the name of this crazy powerful enemy, its supposedly made of a neutron star and has over a million hp
Im not sure what game its in but Im trying to find it
>>48032718
Nice
I do not have real concept in mind. Just looking for spells. And concepts too, but with spells in mind.
>>48032833
Neutronium golem, was a 3pp product for 3.5e called the Epic Level Handbook. Should be in Google.
>>48032877
thanks anon!
>>48031871
Can't go wrong with Shadow imitation spells, and I'm partial to Burst of Radiance if I'm playing a good-aligned character.
>>48032702
Uh, no, it's worse than Student of Philosophy's Diplomacy half alone.
>>48032993
Student of Philosophy gets you bluff, but how is
persuading people any worse or better than gaining influence over them?
Also Wisdom nets you Will Saves, which I'd take over skill points any day of the week.
>>48033051
Persuasive Insight doesn't even let you change attitudes.
Hey Gareth, if you're here, I love the Night Terror Vigilante.
Normally, I would never play the vigilante, but this archetype gave me the ability to play a superhero version of pic related.
>>48033137
That was Forrest who made it, not Gareth.
>>48033137
Explain?
>>48032613
Saboulé
>>48033247
The Night Terror is proficient with improvised weapons, and gains different bonuses to using them, including having amulet of mighty fists work with them.
So the Night Terror can exclusively wield carpentry tools and strike fear into the night as Tim "The Toolman" Taylor.
>>48033314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDVo6CrgW0
>>48033314
>>48033314
Fun fact, there's a trait that lets you get a +2 bonus to attack rolls with improvised weapons, and the Traveler's Anytool explicitly says that it counts as "merely" an improvised weapon no matter what form it's in. So for 250 GP of investment, you have a swiss-army knife that's more accurate than any other weapon you could find.
>>48032613
>>48032691
Galteaux Wardeaux
>>48031871
Tear to wine
Tiny hut
Conjure Carriage
All those quality of life spell
>>48032624
>>48032691
>>48032704
>>48032728
>>48032803
>>48033248
>>48033734
Thanks for the suggestions, even though none of them really fit what I had in mind. Ended up going with Etienne.
>>48033753
>Tear to wine
How to optimize getting ABSOLUTELY FUCKED UP on the tears of children, /pfg/,
>>48033137
All credit goes to Forrest, but I'll pass it along.
>>48033833
Boost CL
