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Hellknight Edition
What order do you want to prestige into?
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Old Thread: >>48004815
Order of the blinkling.
>>48014182
>What order do you want to prestige into?
The Gate, certainly. I've always been enamored with summoning, and that's the best way to do it, and I've got a signifier build all lined up.
Can't wait for that book to come out.
How do you make venom snek /pfg/?
>>48014283
Slayer 20
Did anyone save the Throwing Weapons update to the weapon style homebrew thing that was posted yesterday? The one that's just a table of how to use weapons. I was on mobile and don't remember what it's called now.
>posted about looking for a game
>RWBY guy asks if I am interested
>say yes
>no reply
Ah well.
>>48014182
Hey /pfg/. I'm confused about alignment and cultures. How do evil cultures exist if being evil means you spend most of your time being a selfish git? You would have to be not evil in order to raise children, contribute to the economy, and so on. Or are evil people only evil to those they don't like as with everyone in real life? Because I seem to recall the Nazis were running kindergartens for blond blue-eyed German children at the same time they were brutally torturing and exterminating everyone else.
>>48014709
There's a difference between cartoon evil and actual evil.
Also, LE tends to be the kind of person that builds nations for their own selfish gain. Kindergartens and brutal regimes are not mutually exclusive.
>>48014709
Alignment doesn't work. Use Moorcock's right-wing/left-wing alignments instead. Those make actual sense.
For example, Leviathan and the cenobites of the Labyrinth are the logical extension of law and order whereas the fair folk of Rakshastan and the traitor Astartes are the logical extension of chaos and anarchy.
>>48014709
>How do evil cultures exist if being evil means you spend most of your time being a selfish git?
Welcome to why alignment is trash.
To answer your question, not all selfishness is equal. The drive to care for young in most animals is really goddamn strong, especially in things born weak and helpless like most apes. You could still be a selfish bastard and raise children, they probably won't be very nice children but that's how this shit works.
Plenty of selfish people contribute to the economy, selfish people want money and goods too. Few things are assholes 24/7 because few things can get away with it.
Evil implies a willingness to screw over those around, you not a compulsion.
>>48014709
well, remember; an Evil ruler wants his possessions to be grand and powerful. to do this, said possessions must be well maintained, even if you're having servants doing it. they're concerned with self-aggrandizement, and being the ruler of the most propserous, powerful empire on the planet certainly fits that.
Making sure your people are well, that they're well protected, protects your interests. this is why there's generally a LE empire ion most worlds; sure the ruler is corrupt and self-serving, but the ones that can see the bigger picture understand that serving their kingdom serves themselves.
>>48014182
>What order do you want to prestige into?
Fuck prestigeing, I want a hellknight base class.
>>48015065
I think we get Cavalier orders.
There been any leaks of Path of the Hellknight or Spymaster's Handbook yet?
>>48014582
this?
>>48015081
We were offered our choice between those two (scheduled for leaking tomorrow) three threads ago. The vote was 50% hellknights, 25% spymaster and 25% penis joke.
>>48015105
That's the one.
>>48015131
I'd take the dick. It seems like the best offer on the table.
>>48015163
Man, ShindoL is fucking weird.
>>48015195
We wouldn't have artists like shindoL if there weren't a millions of people who shared his tastes. It's the same reason pathfinder stays afloat.
>>48014709
Use Garaths 5 color alignment system instead?
Also if you gauge things by their intent rather then the incidentals of the outcome then you can approximate them for the gygax alignment system. If you buy slaves to serve you but treat them nicely and by them pretty things your original intent was evil, even if you're a better slave owner then others.
I wanna ask /pfg/ their thoughts on the upcoming fight my players have in their 2-man mythic game.
>They'll be level 7/MT 1 when they get to it
>fights is vs one owlbear, two Green Hags and one Night Hag
>possible to fight each one at a time, but they're not so hot on the "let's be clever" thing
>hard-way fight involves the coven boosting their pet owlbear while it blocks their progress into the cave where they reside, munching at their faces if possible
>none of the hags or owlbear have mythic tiers, but I was thinking to give them a tier if they do successfully win the fight
>they're a bard5/warlord1 and an UC rogue6
Is this too tough for them, mechanically speaking? They'll have the very obvious option of simply running away, as the cave behind them will not be blocked,
I've already warned them well in advance of the game that it is possible for their characters to die, and they okay'd that. I've also told them straight-up that this will be a difficult fight either way, and that they'll get a tier out of it if they win.
I'm also thinking that if they don't get completely murdered, they'll be 'used' for the most common hag tradition(making changeling babies)and deposited on the edge of the nearby townwith the intent of foisting the kids on them after birth.
Thoughts/suggestions/namecalling?
>>48015311
Gareth didn't make the 5-color alignment concept, did he?
>>48015375
That was magic. Magic made that concept, or perhaps refined it? Either way it came first.
>>48015346
Make the owbear an initiator.
>>48015131
>mfw don't give a shit about hellknights or hell's vengeance
>Just want those sweet sweet vigilante talents, and maybe the archetypes
>half the votes get thrown away on a fucking penis joke
>mfw also got shafted on having a session this week because faggot players not showing up
>mfw still haven't heard any more information in months about the game I was invited to, starting to wonder if I was uninvited but never told
>mfw another week starts out with disappointment
I can't even be mad, but I want to be.
>>48015311
Every culture that practices slavery believes it to be morally good. Morally is largely arbitrary since it is based around the ever changing needs of the community.
>>48015346
>spoiler
Perfection.
>>48015487
>Morality is arbitrary in a setting with deities both good and evil that enforce a set moral code
Are you shitposting or just dumb? Like I know in reality you can argue that but when you literally have reality creating beings handing down moral edicts in the setting do you expect moral relativity to come into play?
>>48015415
This is a decent idea.
>>48015488Thank you.
>>48015554
Alignment =/= morality, and if you think it does you're probably the kind of person who thinks LG is the worst alignment.
>>48015554
Eh, gods aren't reality creating beings. They're very powerful beings, but they themselves didn't create reality, or the things in it, otherwise Rovagug wouldn't be in timeout. Either way alignments are objective in dnd, so morality is very much not arbitrary (even though it totally is dependent on the dm)
>>48015625
Why do we even need alignment? Because of autism? Why can't we just get rid of it or use a political alignment system with conservatives and progressives replacing good and evil?
>>48015744
We don't need alignment, the game was just built with it. You can house rule it out, and they've made optional systems without alignment. Also using a political system like that is only going to cause more issues. I'm tired of hearing SJW this, reactionary that on the internet, I don't want to hear that coming from the dwarf or the kenderscum.
>>48015744
>mfw in my game I had the players leave their alignment space blank
>mfw they asked me 'what about paladins' and I told them that unless they were planning on playing one to not worry about it
>mfw none of them are playing a paladin, so it doesn't matter
>mfw their roleplaying has gotten shittons better now that they don't have to question whether or not some choice or another fits within their chosen alignment or risks altering it
>>48014709
>Why would a selfish person raise a child?
If you're convinced that you're better than everyone else, why wouldn't you want to create others who share your beliefs/genes and can carry on your legacy?
>Why would a selfish person contribute to the economy.
You are confusing selfishness with "being an asshole for no reason". If you know that the leaders of Evilville execute anyone who doesn't contribute to the economy, then refusing to contribute to the economy isn't selfish, it's stupid.
Also, real-life people do not have alignments. Stop that.
>>48015195
What are the best adventure paths, /pfg/?
>>48016045
Reign of Winter. Iron Gods.
>>48014182
My current character is Prestiging into the Order of the Nail, but my favorite order from a design standpoint is the Gate.
>>48016156
>Iron Gods
No
>>48016322
Not that Anon, but why not? I enjoyed the hell out of Iron Gods.
Hello /pfg/
How do I meathook?
I want to specialize in dragging enemies towards me or using it to swing and climb around place.
How small should a blinkling be?
Update on the lesbo-cuck situationSession went off without a hitch, the knights are together and it's adorable.
>>48016322
I love iron because it makes low tier class even more low tier and makes it more amusing to watch their suffering.
>Hey senpai, thought you were having trouble hitting things on account of your twf 3/4 bab, why dont I give you this here plasma blade so you can upgrade it to + whatever.
>>48016360
Really big Synthesist with reach, pull and grab evolutions.
>>48016360
I want Roadhog tonotgo and stayhooking
>>48016395
Can I do it with an Aberrant Aegis instead?
>>48016366
Small enough to be cute but large enough to take the dick.
>>48016376
The what now?
>>48016376
Congrats, how're you feeling post-retcon?
>>48016445
Anon had a character with a knight-waifu, DM had the PC walk in on her making out with another woman on their bed, presumably to have a Male-Female-Female threesome.
The player got angry because knight-waifu was assumed to be straight and exclusive to the PC and left the session, DM begged forgiveness and player accepted his apology.
>>48016467
>Congrats, how're you feeling post-retcon?
Feels like the last session never happened at all.
Honestly, in retrospect it wasn't that big of a deal; he tried to throw my character something sexy (seriously, who doesn't want their lover to bring an eager young woman into their bed?) And it blew up in his face. I got a bit butt-mad, he got a bit too horrified at his (vanilla) fetishes laid bare, we called it even and moved on with our lives.
>>48016428
I don't always main Roadhog, but when I do, its Play of the Game
Him and Junkrat are the funnest characters to play.
So how many effect can you stack onto shield bash now?
Shield Slam: Free Bullrush
Upsetting Shield Style: -2 attack roll
Stumbling Bash: -2 AC
Shield Material Expertise (Darkwood or Living Steel): Free bleed damage or Free sunder
Toppling Bash: Free trip
What happen when you both have Shield Slam and Toppling Bash? Bullrush then trip? Trip then Bullrush??
>>48016366
Some are chihuahua sized, others can be up to great dane size. The wonders of pets.
>>48016360
Summoner (Synthesist) with size increments, and a Harpoon. IIRC it has rules for pulling people in.
>>48016503
And so ends another episode of "Why the GM should communicate with the players, and why the players should know how to enact the difference between OOC knowledge and IC knowledge and not be shitters about it."in retrospect, that title is kinda long. maybe "How to Not Be a That Guy in TTRPGs"?
>>48016526
>not Zenyatta
Its like you don't even discord
>>48016360
>>48016395
>>48016428
>>48016526
>How to Roadhog
Grappling Hook and all the Hamatula Style feats. You need to be Large or have Powerful Build to make this work.
>>48016526
Roadhog
Savage Technologist Barbarian
Spiked Chain / Grappling Hook Main-Hand
Shotgun Off-hand
Get the Riptide Attack feat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/riptide-attack-combat
>>48016657
>>48016861
Great, now stat the rest of the Overwatch cast
How fairly balanced is the Emperor homebrew class from the maga?
>>48016889
D.va is a goblin.
>>48016889
I'm counting three alchemists in there.
D.Va (Construct Rider)
Junkrat (Alchemist)
Pharah (Winged Marauder Fire Bomber)
Torbjorn (Siege Mage)
Genji, Hanzo, Reinhardt and Tracer would fit PoW classes better
McCree and Reaper are Privateer Stalkers with different martial disciplines
>>48016889
Lucio is Bard.
>>48017068
To be exact, a Thundercaller Bard, since he kills people with his performance.
>>48016889
Why don't they have a painting and paint-swimming character, don't they know how much better Splatoon is?
What is the best way to utilize Throat Slicer? Is grapple actually the best way to go? What about dirty trick? spell?
I'm only allow Paizo-content only.
>>48017161
Hexcrafter Magus with Slumber
Thaco has to be the most retarded thing in ever. I wonder how pathfinder would have been if it had used it.
/pfg/, is Fiendbound Marauder with Fool's Errand the ideal grappling/lockdown build? I want to build one as my cohort, so it needs to be fairly well-optimized just to keep up with the rest of the party; for reference, I am a squishy thrallherd and it is my bodyguard.
Should I bother, or is Zwei Sentinel Warder better as far as bodyguards go?
>>48017221
It's just a way clumsier implementation of the same thing we have now, with negative and postitive inverted. In a videogame or something else doing the calculation for the players and hiding the math, the difference basically doesn't exist. For actual players you just wind up with more people who "just don't get it" and need help every fucking turn.
>>48017249
That actually looks like a lot of fun, there. Curious how it'll play
>>48017047
Nah.
Pharah's a Blaster Armorist with Improved Explosive Orb, and Tracer's a Mageknight using the Time and Warp spheres.
And Reinhardt's a Cavalier using an unwritten archetype that swaps his mount for power armor.
>>48017620
Interceptor Path Reactor Knight, maybe?
>>48017620
>And Reinhardt's a Cavalier
Paladin actually. That particular Paladin archetype that trades away his shiny sword or cool mount for a pretty decent shield.
>>48017679
reactor knights trade out their paths
>>48017679
I'm not too clued on Arcforge, desu.
And Reinhardt just... seems too grounded to be psionic. If that makes sense.Plus, all he'd need is a proviso in his archetype making him count as mounted while in his armor, and then hey, he has his shoulderslam.
>>48017765
Arcforge is kill and no longer DSP.
>>48017753
Damn, didn't know that. I haven't seen the Arcforge doc in a while, since any DM in my group that isn't me thought that mechs were a step too far, unfortunately.
>>48017787
I didn't say it WAS DSP.
>>48016948
>>48018091
Is there a spell that would allow me to permanently change a weapon (a magic one, if it matters) into an identical weapon made of a special material? Or failing that, something that will accomplish a similar effect but last long enough to be useful? We could really use for our weapons to be treated as cold iron for getting through some DR, but weapon blanches ain't gonna cut it.
And no, upgrading the enhancement bonus isn't really an option right now.
Quick, /pfg/, tell me about the shittiest character you ever played,and why you had a total blast playing them.
>>48018145
A 3.5 soulknife
We started out in a dungeon with no gear of any kind.
>>48018171
My god.
You were king of rusty dagger shanktown, because only you had a shank.
>>48015105
Mind if I use this as a helper for my feat consolidation project?
Cheers
>>48018145
3.5 catfolk binder. Catfolk was inconsequential, and I had no idea how to play a binder.
It was in a 2-person game. The other person was a factotum, so we actually had basically everything covered between us. There was alcohol involved.
>>48018216
Yep.
>"Has a Weapon", the class
>nobody has weapons, so I actually have a class feature up on other people
>>48017193
Slumber doesn't work with throat slicer.
Sleep isn't one of the condition allow for it, the feat even specify that you can't use it on any other kind of helpless target.
>>48018216
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
>>48018310
Which is fucking retarded, honestly. Helpless is helpless, regardless of what condition brought that on.
>>48017620
Reinhardt is a Hammer and Shield Warder.
>>48018144
Nope.
Versatile Weapon spell.
>>48015008
alignment isn't shit, its just that most autismos don't fucking grasp the simple concept that it happens to be.
>>48018310
Coincidentally, Color Spray specifically calls out knocking low-HD enemies unconscious.
>>48018388
no offense, but if you can knock something out with a color spray, you're better off great-swording it to death anyways.
>>48014709
Mega corp are all selfishly evil. Normal people still get some benefit off them though.
Being selfish doesn't equal to being stupid. The best way to get profit is to share it enough to keep peasants who work for you content woth their life.
>>48018428
none taken, was just pointing that out.
>>48018145
I've played a cleric who refused to attack or heal, a pacifist monk/paladin, a fighter who dedicated himself to the mastery of slings, a sorcerer who knew zero hostile spells, andfour mystic theurges.
All of my characters are based off of awful ideas that I then have to desperately try to make both functional and then entertaining for everyone else somehow. I don't know why they keep inviting me back. Probably because I usually GM.
>>48015267
I mean sometimes it's good, but sometimes it gets too real
Thinking about running a Pathfinder AP, but I'm not sure which. Carrion Crown's caught my eye, because I love me some undead. Anyone have experience with it? How is it?
>>48016340
It's because it's one of the very few APs where if you don't optimize the game gets VERY tough.
>>48016428
>roadhog
>not pudge
>>48018675
>Carrion Crown's caught my eye, because I love me some undead. Anyone have experience with it? How is it?
It's a boring, schlocky set of monster movie pastiches where none of them actually manage to broach anything close to "horror".
There are very few actual good APs, and most of them need huge, huge edits in order to make them playable.
>>48018725
Is that a problem? Just tell your players "Hey this is a tough AP, bring your A-game." or tweak things to be less difficult.
>>48018358
If you want your representation of him to be as vague as fucking possible, sure.
>>48018758
Well, are any of their APs a competent jumping point into a 'Slay the Lich' campaign? I'm fine with making my own shit, but it'd be nice to have something pre-made that I can get the ball rolling with.
By the way, real talk here;
I'm running Reign of Winter right now. I've read the entire thing. I know it.
And let me tell you; It's not as good as you all say. And I know your RoW is absolute shit, because you people are by and large, too stupid to actually make any edits/changes to the plots or the flow of the game, and just run the adventure page by page as you go.
So I have no idea what you people actually praise about it. It's way too combat heavy, all NPC setup is minimal, and if the players go into the game not knowing who Baba Yaga is (which they shouldn't know anyway since THEY'RE NOT FROM FUCKING IRRISEN), there's no actual hook for them.
>>48018871
Clearly you are not fine making your own shit if you can't even come up with a basic intro for a generic, cliche campaign that everyone is going to get bored of halfway through.
>>48014182
Making a level 14 Psy-Warrior.
Wat do?
>>48018906
Pathwalker.
>>48018904
Eh, the cliche can be fun if done well. The Lich just has to be suitably powerful so as to never appear personally to the party until around 20th level. Hell, don't even let them know it /might/ be a Lich until 12th.
>>48018906
Pathwalker, take only Personal-range powers, abuse its recovery method to pull buffs out on the fly.
>>48018931
In that case, you're better off just rolling random locations and random encounters to level them up until you decide to reveal that the campaign ends with them killing a Lich.
I mean, it's not like anything you write will be more coherent or engaging.
>>48018955
Thanks for assuming I'm woefully incompetent, anon. It's not like I've done it successfully before or anything.
Cliches only become cliches because they were done too much. It wouldn't have gotten that way if it wasn't fun - and it's only cliche to the jaded grogs among us who've seen it done badly too many times.
Hey nerds,Greta commission has just been bought, it should be here by at least this weekend, maybe next week.
I'll give you a hint what's happening in the image; even in human form, she likes to fall into wolfish habits.
>>48019102
Why would you buy a picture of Greta licking her own asshole. That's fucking weird.
>>48014709
Cheliax does this in an interesting manner; They consort with devils in order to maintain their empire.
They're not always going out and conquering, but their militaries, their churches, their magic is all laced with evil. Black Thorn Knights can be Lawful Neutral and thats about as good as they can get (and even then, they're still on an absolute fucking crusade against chaos)... and because its devils they work with the devil may be "Okay, so you swore an oath to aid us as our ally... and I know you're a 'good' guy, so I wont ask you to do anything evil; because well I've got other tools for that... but that fucker over there is chaotic, you need to go and smash him".
Hell they could be lawful neutral and spend their entire time hunting demons at the behest of devils.
>>48018904
Chill, senpai. I was just asking for suggestions. There's no need to get upset and attack me. I'd just like to use pre-made stuff since it's easier to open with.
I guess I'll just run with Carrion Crown, then, and jump off its rails whenever. Pathfinder's good for schlock.
>>48019168
While your description of the Black Thorns is not inaccurate, you do know they've nothing to do with Cheliax, yes? Golarion's got the Hellknights.
>>48016360
There's an ogre meathook in the rise of the runelords player primer. Apparently it's used for trip attacks.
>>48019112
Hey man, some of us are into that.
>>48016526
The thing that honestly scares me about roadhog... is in all the official art and everything like that, Roadhog and Reindhart are both fucking bigger than Winston. They are both physically larger than a FUCKING SILVERBACK GORILLA.
>>48019278
>>>/somewherefuckingelse/
>>48019215
Golarion is the name of the planet...
>>48016889
D.Va is an Aegis with a technological fluff to it.
Or maybe thats iron man.
Hanzo is some archer build (zen archer monk maybe?) with idk, a fucking eberron tattoo or a magic bow and some psionic feats like up the wall.
McCree is a bad ass mother fucker. No seriously, that's all it says on his character sheet.
>>48019302
Let me rephrase that: the Black Thorn Knights are DSP's work. I wrote them. They do not have anything to do with Golarion (the setting) or Cheliax (the nation in said setting). I am saying this so that the anon inquiring about evil cultures does not get confused by mistake.
>>48019302
It's also the official name of the setting.
None of the PoW organizations are setting-specific, and it's entirely on purpose. They were designed to fit into any game fairly easily; really, they're just very detailed archetypes of organizations.
Though it'd be way better for Golarion to have Black Thorn Knights than Hellknights, because Hellknights are fucking stupid. Fuck you, fish armor fuckers.
>>48018331
More like in the land of the armless.
>>48019319
McCree is a desperado warlord, or just a plain gunslinger.
D. Va I see as a reactor knight psychic warrior.
Mercy is a medic.
Soldier 76 is trench fighter.
Genji is a stalker...
Bastion is the DM PC.
Roadhog I can see as a savage technologist. Fits the theme rather well.
Tracer's a scout rogue with an at-will magic item.
Widowmaker is a marksman.
Torbjorn is a gearhead.
Zenyatta is a psychic armory soulknife with some inexplicable healing and levitating ability.
>>48019215
I see them as interchangeable really. Partially because a person who is playing in my groups Rise of the Runelords wanted to play an antipaladin (going for a final fantasy dark knight feel) and was told no, so instead ended up with a BTK Zwei Sent warder.
>>48019393
Bastion is a DBS Warsoul who converts his madsen with quickdraw to a maxim or sometimes a hotchkiss when shit goes tits up
>>48019410
>hellknights and blackthorn are interchangable
Oh no, you've triggered Gareth, prepare for an angry, half-coherent rant on why his devil-aligned knights are totally different from and way better than Paizo's
>>48019442
Eh, I'm busy. Can you handle it?
>>48019215
There should have been a line break in the sentence. I am aware that black thorns have nothing to do with golarion necessarily, but they would slot in perfectly with cheliax.
And yeah I know that cheliax has hellknights, but as >>48019351 said, hellknights are dumb.
>>48019453
Oh, sure.
You see, the most important difference is that the Black Thorn makes their equipment out of donut steel.
>>48019422
Fair enough! Just wanted to make a joke.
>>48019468I love you anon, that made my knight.
>>48019468
Aren't hellknights also more inspired by biblical satan; they hate evil things and cannot touch good things, so they trick good things into doing evil acts just to 'prove' that they were never good in the first place and thus they are justified in brutalizing them for all eternity?
I love hypocritical evil, it is a really entertaining alignment.
>>48019278
You know gorillas arent necessarily tall, right? And their posture is very hunched over?
>>48019522
>>48016889
Look at them. Both of the men are bigger than the damn monkey. Christ zarya is almost bigger than the damn monkey.
>>48019554
Maybe he's a small monkey?
>>48019584
He's like twenty years old. That's very old in GO-RIL-LA years. almost half their lifespan.
>>48019609
Well he DID grow up on the moon, and his diet consisted mostly of peanut butter and bananas. It's possible his growth is stunted.
>>48019393
>76
A Trenchfighter and Cybersoldier.
>>48019512
Nah. Hellknights draw inspiration from Hell's Law. Law is their Big Thing, they can be evil, neutral, or good.
>>48019554
He's not a monkey, he's a scientist.
i need the pic that shows how to kill cthulhu by throwing boats.
>>48019763
it used a guy who wanted to see the stars and passing on his sight
>>48019763
>>48019876
>Combat Maneuvers are good and usable in most situations
>All of them provoke AOOs if you don't have the Improved feat
>This makes them complete shit if you don't have a bazillion feats like the Fighter
>Even a Fighter wouldn't take these as he has to take 12 Power Attack feats to be even usable
What's the fucking point, Paizo?
>>48020314
>using paizo's awful combat maneuver system
>it's a sad attempt at making one out of 3.5's even worse concept
Honestly? I just rolled the improved x combat maneuvers into two feats, ditched agile maneuvers to allow anyone wielding a finessable weapon to use DEX to CMB, and left the greater x feats for specialization choice.
>>48019763
>>48020209
A single mid/high-level Path of War character can already one-round Cthulhu, true fact.
>>48020529
Can I get a stat block for that?
>>48020529
So can a Monk, Fighter, Barbarian, Wizard, Sorceror, or any other combat built character.
Your point being?
If you take weapon/equipment trick feat, do you get all tricks for that item or just one?
>>48020728
You can use all the tricks you qualify for.
>>48020568
>>48020628
PoW does it with better ease.
>>48020568
Go make it yourself.
>STALKING GHOUL
>Discipline: Unquiet Grave (Boost)
>Level: 2
>Prerequisites: None
>Initiation Action: 1 swift action
>Range: Personal
>Target: You
>Duration: 1 round
>You move with the swiftness and cunning of the cannibalistic ghouls. When you initiate this boost you gain a +4 competence bonus to Stealth checks for 1 round. During that time, you do not require cover or concealment to remain hidden using the Stealth skill, which may permit you to move in the open without being detected. You still suffer the usual effects of not having cover or concealment while using Stealth when the duration of this boost expires.
This plus standard action maneuver recovery means constant pseudo-Hide in Plain Sight outside of combat.
3rd-level goblin stalker:
3 ranks in Stealth
+6 Dexterity modifier
+3 class skill
+4 size
+4 racial
+1 trait
+2 insight from Lords of the Wheel martial tradition benefit
+3 Skill Focus (Stealth)
+2 Stealthy feat
+4 competence from Stalking Ghoul boost
+2 circumstance from shinobi shozoku
+1d6 investigator talent (Unconventional Inspiration)
Total: Stealth +34+1d6, plus Lurker in Darkness from being a Lord of the Wheel
Can we push this 3rd-level stalker's Stealth even higher, such that they can constantly move unseen with nobody being able to do anything about it?
Is Stunning Fist worth it for Druid or Shaman with guided weapon and Ascetic Form?
>>48020728
All the ones you qualify for, both presently and in the future when you gain new qualifications.
They're actually well designed in feat-efficient, investment-relevant benefits, and if the Fighter class were made entirely out of feats like Weapon Trick/Equipment Trick, it would be a well-made class.
>>48020968
Oh god, when did 2hu get back
>>48020988
She shows up every-so-often when there's something random that catches their attention; last time I think was when they were bitching at Sslarn that Akashic is a buggy mess.
>>48021015
And offered no suggestions for improvement.
>>48020628
Don't give something a statblock if you don't want it to die.
>>48021036
Naaah. All you have to do is minmax hard enough to beat it yourself, and then raise the numbers higher than it's possible to beat.
You can't hit infinity, so there's a limit somewhere.
>>48021015
Since when have they been a she?
>>48020314
If a given combat maneuver isn't worth risking an AoO for, why are you trying to do it? And if it is, why do you need to burn a feat on avoiding the AoO if it's only going to come up once or twice a session?
>>48021099
>Since when have they been a she?
>>48021015
2hu pics were always organized this is a pretender
>>48021212
That's a Danbooru filename. They're clearly just finding Touhou pics and slapping them on.
>>48021281
exactly, 2hufag had an autisticly organized collection
>>48021184
man i'm not sure if i should be offended or entertained
Though i'm sure Shinji > D. Va is an upgrade.
Folks asked for a villain story, and I'll be writing one Shortly, as a follow-up to: http://dreamscarred.com/steelforge-carol-of-the-bells/
I fully intend on blaming y'all.
>>48021605
but will i get to call you Daddy?
>>48021605
>I fully intend on blaming y'all.
Why not? We're the boogeyman of the internet anyways.
>>48021620
...Why would you /want to/?
>>48021605
>tfw when Gareth has a character with the same name as you
:D
>tfw when he's pretty effortlessly murdered
D:
>>48021645
why not.
>>48018906
Oh, you mean the new class from Ultimate Occult?
>>48021653
You're scaring him.
>>48021694
good.
Fear will make him strong.
Gareth-san, Gareth-san, is Scarlet Throne getting errata?
It's kinda bullshit with the "lol I deal double/triple/quadruple damage u and btw I never miss" strikes.
>>48021749
Everything in the first book is getting a good hard look, even the Tradition benefits - and those are, if you recall, strictly optional. Again, the proposed errata will be released for public review before being finalized.
>>48021766
>tfw Akashic Shitsteries is coming out before the PoW1 errata
>>48021766
Can you use a boost in a surprise round? Or no swifts in surprise rounds?
>>48021875
What? How the fuck is that broken-ass useless fucking abortion coming out before worthwhile errata?
>>48021887
Still don't know how to actually play a guru, huh?
>>48021749
>It's kinda bullshit with the "lol I deal double/triple/quadruple damage u and btw I never miss" strikes.
That was in ToB too. A strike being worse than a full attack isn't exactly broken.
>>48021887
Fucking chill, man
>>48021969
Scarlet Throne's Rising Zenith Strike: 2nd-level, uses Sense Motive directly in place of the attack roll, including the bonuses one would normally receive to the attack roll.
Diamond Mind's Ruby Nightmare Blade: 4th-level, requires both a Concentration check and a regular attack roll.
Scarlet Throne's Ruby Zenith Strike: 5th-level, uses Sense Motive directly in place of the attack roll, including the bonuses one would normally receive to the attack roll.
Diamond Mind's Greater Insightful Strike: 6th-level, requires a regular attack roll, deals only twice Concentration check result as damage.
Scarlet Throne's first two multiplicative strikes are almost strictly superior to Diamond Mind's.
>>48021969
Being able to Vital Strike without wasting 4 feats? That's Paizo-broken!
>>48022057
>Vital Strike
>Double/Triple/Quadruple
Mythic Vital Strike maybe.
>>48022050
That's not really true. Greater Insightful Strike could be boosted sky high as it was skill-to-damage.
Ruby Zenith Strike is skill-to-hit.
>>48022179
The problem is that after a point, succeeding your Concentration check and hitting with your first attack is pretty much guaranteed.
>>48022057
>>48022179
>>48022191
Let us push Rising Zenith Strike to its logical conclusion. Someone two threads ago (>>48004253) was touting the value of a "complete build" for the purpose of determing whether or not something is too powerful. Let us apply that here.
Level: 5
Race: Dreige (Bloodforge or Lords of the Mist) or half-giant (Ultimate Psionics)
Class: Warder (ordained defender, zweihander sentinel)
Martial Tradition: Stained Glass Champions
Domain/Inquisition: Conversion (use Wisdom in place of Charisma for Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate)
Ability Scores (25 point buy): Strength 17+2+1+2, Dexterity 12-2, Constitution 12, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 16+2, Charisma 7
Traits:
Combat: Reactionary
Regional: Thoughtful Wish-Maker
Religion: Blade of Mercy
Drawback: One of choice
Feats:
1st: Power Attack
3rd: Furious Focus
5th: Martial Charge
Maneuvers readied:
1st: Scarlet Throne: Scything Strike
2nd: Eternal Guardian: Fear the Reaper
2nd: Primal Fury: Momentum Crash
2nd: Scarlet Throne: Rising Zenith Strike
3rd: Shattered Mirror: Reflected Blade Style
Stance: Primal Warrior Stance
Equipment:
4,000 gp: Belt of giant strength +2
2,400 gp: Large +1 greatsword
2,650 gp: +1 full plate
1,000 gp: Cloak/corset of resistance +1
Remaining: 450 gp
This character has initiative +6. They deal 6d6+10 damage with each swing of their greatsword, or 6d6+16 damage with a Power Attack with Furious Focus. Their Sense Motive total, with full ranks, is +14.
At the start of combat, they can use Martial Charge to move 40 feet and use Rising Zenith Strike with Reflected Blade Style. Due to wielding a +1 weapon and charging, their total check bonus is +17, which is probably going to hit.
On a hit, they deal 12d6+32 (average 74) damage to two enemies. The average CR 6 monster has 70 hit points and AC 19, so if there are two CR 6 monsters on the field, they stand a very high chance of being instantaneously deleted.
>>48022353
Alternatively, if there is only a singular powerful monster, the warder can use Momentum Crash in place of Reflected Blade Style.
In addition to Broken Blade and Primal Fury being given downgrades (already confirmed), I suspect that there will be a reason to adjust Scarlet Throne's multiplicative strikes.
http://pastebin.com/7qmWFvnJ
Reminder that this exists
>>48022380
On the topic of large swords.
Why is it a soulknife's mindblade is considered 'weightless' but a medium sized soulknife can only wield medium sized mindblades?
I mean, they could simply wield incredibly huge swords of psychic energy to slice down enemies from a distance.
>>48022462
It's not all about weight, it's also about positioning, leverage, air resistance..
Note that a soulknife wields size-appropriate mind blades. So if an effect would allow you to wield large or larger weapons, your mind blade is explicitly that size as well.
>>48021883
You can use a swift action in the surprise round, you're just limited to a Standard or Move for major actions.
>>48022462
Ammount of mindstuff the can produce is not enough for huge sword.
>>48022462
I've been disappointed in every iteration of the soulknife so far.
Where's the tricks to twist it while it's formed to get a tactical advantage? Where's the tricks to make it do things regular weapons can't because it's made of magic bullshit? Where's the trick to make a levitating circular saw blade for a mind blade, chewing through armor on a throw, then catching it again? Where's the tricks to summon five and have them take up space on the battlefield via furious bladework? Where's the tricks to summon it nowhere near your hand because you're that good? Where's the tricks to mimic a magic weapon you touch? Where's the tricks to make a goddamn dragon head on a neck, stick it over your arm, and have it bite, crush, grapple, and breathe fire?
>>48022529
Well, like half of those are in PsyAug Soulknife.
>>48022529
As it is, it might as well be a goddamn archetype for the psychic warrior that makes Call Weapon better.
>>48022536
>Tricks to twist
I mean like the sword bending over or binding a blade to help with disarm or just hitting them around a block. Don't remember anything like, would appreciate name and page.
>Levitating circular saw
Literally nothing except "just refluff it man" for ricocheting mind blades around. Also literally nothing on shapes that aren't an existent weapon.
>Cleaving through armor
This either.
>Summon five and have them take up space
Closest thing is the armory wall power, but that's not splittable and is also kinda meh.
>Summon it away from your hand
I was thinking sneak attack via randomly shooting it out of your eye, or 'throwing' it unexpectedly via summoning it out of a kick.
>Mimic a magic weapon you touch
Remember nothing like this.
>Dragon head
Sure as hell remember nothing like this.
>>48022589
Tbf saws ARE an extant weapon.
>>48022632
Flying ones you control with your goddamn mind because you're a goddamn master of mystical arts and shit and not the psychic warrior's retarded cousin that wanted to be just like fighter-sempai and monk-sempai?
>>48022659
Well, any soulknife can emulate extant weapons, and psyarms have flying mind-controlled weapons, so uh, yes.
>>48022529
>most of this is literally just fluff
Sorry DSP doesn't write the flavor text you and and you're creatively bankrupt senpai
>>48022755 (Me)
>*you want
Fuck you it's 6 AM
>>48022737
Show me these flying mind control saws. I know psyarm can make flying weapons, I'm saying the soulknife should not necessarily be constrained by what weapons EXIST or ARE EVEN VAGUELY PRACTICAL because they're making things out of MYSTIC BULLSHIT.
Though I did have a thought... I know the psyarm and soulbow exist- would it be practical to engineer a soulknife that made ranged weapons? Specifically preloaded ranged weapons?
>>48022781
Anon, do you know what the rules for what a mind blade looks like is? Here they are in full:
SEE THAT?
THERE FUCKING ARE NONE.
I PLAYED A PSYARM WHOSE MIND BLADES WERE LITERALLY GEOMETRICAL CONCEPTS.
YOU WANT A SAW? GREAT! SAWS PROBABLY DO SLASHING DAMAGE. BOOM. YOUR MIND BLADE IS A GODDAMN SAW.
>>48022781
If I recall, Soulknives don't make specific weapons unless they take a specific thing for it.
They're just generic 'light' or 'onehanded' or whatever.
fluff 'em as buzzsaws, man.
Or make them chakrams if you REALLY need to.
Undine Weaponshaft is weird...
How would making a Mithral shaft be meaningful to spear?
>>48022589
>twist around a block or around a blade
So, a flavoured bonus to hit vs defending. Sure, I can see that, a bladeskill along the lines of "whenever an enemy fights defensively, casts defensively, or takes the total defence action, ignore half the bonus" or something.
>levitating circular saw
And what the fuck is wrong with "refluff it man"? Literally any form of your blade is a refluff, because there IS no default look to the blade. What MECHANICS would you want from a saw? A saw cuts through things. Great. Set your weapon to slashing damage. It is now a saw.
>cleaving through armour
You mean the sunder combat maneuver that's existed since Pathfinder launched? Nothing's stopping you. Go to town.
>Summon 5
PsyArm.
>and have them take up space
I agree on this one, there should be remote flanking points if nothing else. Strategos comes close, but doesn't quite get there.
>Summon it away from your hand
PsyArm.
>I was thinking sneak attack via randomly shooting it out of your eye, or 'throwing' it unexpectedly via summoning it out of a kick.
Either that's literally only a flavour concern, in which case you do whatever you like with fluff, because those need literally no mechanics to support, or you literally want sneak attack, in which case, you use Cutthroat, the archetype that gives you Sneak Attack and was printed FIVE GODDAMN YEARS AGO TO DO EXACTLY THE FUCKING THING YOU WANT LEARN TO FUCKING READ. Also, Ashen Blade exists, and lets you do secret stabs.
>Mimic a magic weapon you touch
What, just have your mind blade become a copy of a held weapon? Why not use the held weapon, then? I suppose I can think of some weird niche uses for this, but you'd probably be better off taking Additional Configs.
>Dragon head that breathes fire, attacks, and does combat maneuvers
So.. Flaming Weapon, attack and do combat maneuvers? What's stopping you?
While you do have a couple legitimate thoughts, it seems most of your problems are your utter lack of imagination.
>>48022928
>literally
>literally
>literally
Wow, learn to vary your word choices, faggot. Or at least crack open a thesaurus.
>>48022781
FFS most of what you want doesn't even need mechanics, it's just fluffing your attacks.
>Circular Saw
Literally just a slashing weapon.
>Chewing Through Armor
Literally just sunder attempt. If you care that much grab the charm that makes your mind blade count as adamantine.
>Throwing it and catching it again
Fluff Throw Mindblade however you want, but the mechanics you get are already better than Returning.
>Summon five and take up space on the battlefield
See Psychic Armory, which can threaten space, hit in a big radius, or literally make walls of weapons.
>Summon it away from your hand
Also probably Psychic Armory, but wanting a free sneak attack out of that is retarded. You're still going to need to make a Stealth check or win Initiative.
>Dragon head
Aside from how that would look completely fucking retarded, and grappling weapons are ass, you already have two decent avenues for fire. A simple flaming weapon for hitting people, or adding fire powers like Energy Cone to your powers known through Psychic Chirurgery. The Fire Blade blade skills are shit, but you might be able to work with your GM to make less terrible ones.
Basically, stop thinking the game has to specifically tell you an ability looks like something to fluff it that way. Go wild.
The saltknife tears flow fast and hot
Shill harder samefag
>>48022353
He wouldn't get the charging bonus.
>he may add any enhancement bonus from his weapon or feats that apply from the use of his weapon to this Sense Motive check as well
Charging is not either of those.
>>48023024
Power Attack is also out; it was clarified that the sense motive check isn't an attack roll, so abilities that modify attack rolls (power attack, combat expertise, marital power et al) can't be used with it.
>>48023103
I'm starting to think this isn't 2Hu at all. He's normally a lot better with the rules than this.
>>48022973
????
>>48023024
>>48023103
Power Attack is officially compatible with Rising Zenith Strike.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43851312/#43858338
The charging bonus is also compatible with Rising Zenith Strike, as you can see from that post, which in turn, references this post:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19532605&postcount=160
>A: When making a skill check in place of an attack roll, all bonuses and penalties normally applied to the attack roll are applied to the skill check roll, including iterative attack penalties for making multiple attacks.
>>48022353
They really should stop Furious Focus working with Strikes. It's a feat that really gets too much mileage.
>>48018797
Most GMs are too lazy/incompetent to do that.
>>48023103
Wrong, as >>48023278 has stated, PA works with Power Attack. RZS and all similar attacks both count as skill checks and normal attacks. They don't fail on a nat 1 (but may misfire if used with a firearm), crit on their normal range, and add all normal bonuses to the roll (Such as competence, insight, profane, or any other bonus that may apply to either). Skill checks that replace saves do not, and thus the modifier is equal to the skill modifier.
Is there a way to recharge staff more than once per day?
>>48020314
>Combat Maneuvers are good and usable in most situations
I agree.
>All of them provoke AoOs if you don't have the improved feat.
There are ways around that, but if the manuever isn't worth eating an AoO then you're not in a situation when doing it is a good idea then.
I feel like most of them are most effective when used as AoO. In my opinion all combat maneuvers should be able to be used in lieu of a melee attack, not just trip/disarm/sunder.
>This makes them complete shit if you don't have a bazillion feats like the Fighter
That's not what makes them shit, it's the fact that the feat chains are too long for what you get. All of them should have the benefits of their improved/greater versions consolidated. Some maneuvers (Dirty Trick, Grapple, Disarm) are pretty much worthless without the greater version.
>Even a Fighter wouldn't take these as he has to take 12 Power Attack feats to be even usable.
Sounds like a personal problem.
Why don't shaken and sickened apply to concentration checks?
Is there any way to trade self damage for damage to the enemy
in a completely reckless attack?
>>48023539
Because 3E is shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvBo_rKleNw
>>48023567
i think they actually did apply in 3.5 cause concentration was a skill.
They don't apply in PF cause Paizo.
>>48023539
>>48023586
Because casters are inherently superior to the filthy martials
Houserule shakened and sickened effects to apply to concentration checks
>>48023599
>not wanting to have superior casters abuse your worthless martial body.
>>48023614
>>48023580
What the goddamn fuck?@
Which of is better?
Staff of the Heirophant
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/staves/staff-of-the-hierophant
or Custom Staff of Limited Wish (111,400gp or 73,900gp for 2 charge per use)
>>48023689
Limited Wish staff, even at two charges per use. You'll miss out on the true resurrection benefit, but Limited Wish gives you far, far more options for spells to use with it than the Hierophant Staff will.
Although won't you need to expend the material components for creating the custom staff first? So all those limited wish spell components should be included in the price?
>>48023717
You do need to expend material component. I already included that in the price.
It's (400*7*13)+(1500*50) for the 1 charger per use version. 2 charge per use just change the latter one to (1500*25). If you want 5 charge per use version it would be (1500*10) and so on.
>>48023717
>>48023745
oh wait.. I was wrong about the 2 charge per use one. I have to divide (400*7*13) part by 2 too...
So the final cost should be 55,700? That make it much more attractive!
How do I build a fighter? do I take the martial maneuver feats?
So /pfg/...You like Hellknights?
>>48023996
YES!
>>48023996
>High Crown: Almas' population killed these Aroden-haters.
>hating the God of Humanity, Master of Mankind
They fucking deserved it.
Order of the Godclaw! Please...
>>48023996
Not really, but i like the concept of Lawful evil knightly orders so much that I adapted it to my universe
But post anyways
>>48023996
>>48024035
Well good, because you're getting Hellknights! Votes are in, and 28 out of 60 wanted some more LAW in their lives, so let's get started.
>>48024050
>>48024063
All in due time. First a bit of information for prospective Hellknights.
>>48024075
Learn yourself some history.
