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PoW brawler and PoW vigilante link:
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Broken Blade errata to shut up ogres when?
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Old Thread: >>47992344
Reposting the strawpoll from the last thread.
Which book do we want leaked on Wednesday, /pfg/?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10606355
>>47998118
Hellknights, fuck yeah!
>>47998118
>mfw don't give a fuck about hell's vengeance, just want to see the new vigilante options
>Spymaster's Handbook is losing the poll
I'm sure we'll get both when they come out anyway, but that's still a little disappointing.
>>47998224
I don't think many of those voting for Hellknight care about Hell's Vengeance either, they just think the Hellknights are an interesting organization and want to know more. Besides, we all know Batman would be a Hellknight.
Am I the only one who really has no interest in Strange Aeons?
It just seems like a cringeworthy 2spoopy5me lovecraft circlejerk.
The Paizo forums havent helped, as they've just reinforced my knowledge that most of the Pathfinder player base doesnt actually know how to form their own ideas and character concepts.
The amount of "I want to be a qlippoth because this is the cthulhu campaign" is fucking staggering.
>>47998397
Yeah, you're the only one. Lovecraft circlejerks are the only way I can even get it up anymore. The fuck is the point of playing something that ISN'T a qlippoth?
I can play a human and disappoint girls dreaming about having way more of their orifices filled at the same time in the IRL LARP of life, anon.
>>47998397
Well knowingly there is also going to be a lot less of the HP Lovecraft we know and love. It'll be politically correct Lovecraft.
>>47998224
I know that feel. I just want to see the archetypes too.
>>47998397
Yeah, I'm not interested either. The adventure paths are awful to begin with, and this one's by and for the kind of idiots who have never actually read a Lovecraft story and think that Lovecraftian=tentacles.
>>47998397
Eh. It's not as bad as it could have been. I still hate the concept, but at least Paizo ended up going with the Elder God the party's fighting against being the one with a track record of getting blown up by PCs.
>>47998453
>tentacle-centric adventure path
You might change my opinion on it with that, anon..
>>47998397
I'm with you and >>47998453. Lovecraft never really did it for me and Paizo's take on the genre is even less appealing to me.
>>47998397
>>47998481
>party wakes up with amnesia due to a serious bender
I kind of want to play Frat Bros of Cthulhu now. It's that orLewdcraft with all those tentacles
>>47998546
>the real reason QANON didn't apply to Gareth's game is that she's waiting for a lewd Strange Aeons group
You've cracked it, anon
So, hey guys, does anyone have a game I could join? I'm desperate to the point I'll at least try anything.
>>47998450
The racism in Lovecraft was the least cool part of Lovecraft, anon. The Rats in the Walls was fucking amazing but the cat being named Niggerman (and no, it wasn't politically correct when he wrote it either) was just fucking distracting. The Street was bad. Medusa's Coils was bad. The one where the guy realizes his ancestors fucked an ape, no good. Pickman's Muse, Eric Zann, the Thing on the Doorstep, all great stuff, but whenever the whole miscegenation jerk crept in it was to the detriment of the rest of the work.
Except Shadow Over Innsmouth, but that's because it's not so obvious - we can all shudder at the thought of the pure-hearted virgin waifu next door giving herself willingly to a slimy fish-monster so she can breed with it because we're such shit fishermen.
More PC Lovecraft is fine. TOO PC Lovecraft would be bad, but Pathfinder already has rape monsters, so.
>>47998632
*not implying Pickman's Muse or the other two had anything racist really in them (except for the family in the Thing being subtly black), but that they were great because they DIDN'T include his obsessive bullshit, just the cosmic and body horror we know and masturbate to daily
Do we know anything about Horror Adventures yet? Apparently it's coming out next month, but there's barely any information on it, even a release date.
>>47998632
>cat being named Niggerman
this will always be hilarious to me; it's just so fucking jarring
>>47998537
>>47998690
>>47998679
Did you not just go to the store page for it...?
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9n5a?Pathfinder-Roleplaying-Game-Horror-Adventures
>Corruptions that can turn your character into a powerful monster, from a blood-drinking vampire to a savage werewolf. The only cost is your soul!
>Character options to help heroes oppose the forces of darkness, including horror-themed archetypes, feats, spells, and more!
>A detailed system to represent sanity and madness, giving you all the tools you need to drive characters to the brink and beyond.
>Tips and tools for running a genuinely scary game, along with an in-depth look at using horror's many subgenres in a Pathfinder campaign.
>Expanded rules for curses, diseases, environments, fleshwarping, haunts, and deadly traps.
>New templates to turn monsters into truly terrifying foes, from creatures made of living wax to a stalker that can never be stopped!
>... and much, much more!
>>47998715
>>47997853
Is Ultimate Occult in the trove yet?
>>47998728
>>47998716
I saw that, but it's just cover blurbs. Doesn't really tell us anything.
>>47998748
>>47998632
Removing racism from Lovecraftian horror is disingenuous. You don't have to agree with it, nor like it, but to present something as "lovecraftian", minus one of the integral aspects of his work is simply rejecting his atmosphere of intent. It becomes less authentic Lovecraft and more Lovecraft-saturated-with-modern-values.
>>47998507
Isn't Chaosium involved in Strange Aeons though?
I'm gonna be honest, every time I hear about Strange Aeons I think it's bout Aeons and not Lovecraft style stuff.
Speaking of Aeons: has anyone actually used them? What do they even do?
>>47999071
They go around being litte shits and enforcing "balance".
In Golarion canon they're all lackys of Phantasma or whatever she's called, which I personally think is stupid.
>>47998735
Yes.
>>47999163
Just checked... Nope.
>>47999071
No, they're absolute bullshit and should be A) lawful and B) are already covered by inevitables
>>47998450
Archetypes would be nice, but I want talents. I WANT TO SEE THOSE TALENTS.I also want to believe that they'll introduce something to unfuck Mystic Bolts for people stuck using 1pp, but I'm not holding out much hope.
Playing Serpents Skull tomorrow, character is a half orc gestalt scarred witchdoctor (CON casting version)/barbarian using a large Great Terbutje made from viridium.Its also my heirloom weapon so its masterwork and I have +1 to attack with it.I'm planning on power attacking everything for 2d8+9, and buffing my short round (halfling rogue with a sling)I took fates favored and sacred tattoo for +2 to all saves.No other party members so that's why I'm gestalt.Will this be any good?
>>47999381
But what about rilmani anon?
I missed it since I was at work, how awful was Ultimate Occult? I'm downloading the pictures now but I won't have a chance to go through them for a bit.
>>47998975
It's not even in the vaguest of senses disingenuous because Lovecraftian horror is not used to refer to the racism in his work any more than Michael Bayesian means the movie stars Megan Fox. Please don't reveal your power level so easily and without prompting.
No one wants "exactly authentic to Lovecraft" or else we could just read the shit he's written over and over again. We want LovecraftIAN, and what is meant by that is cosmic horror, not the fucking KKK's nightmare family tree.
>>47999468
It was blatant copying and pasting of UltPsi. Vitalist and Dread became Psion archetypes. Even had actual names of class features, like the Vitalist archetype had a Collective.
Oh, and there was brutal retardation in there too. They copied the Spheres idea for Disciplines, making each Discipline a !Not bloodline for the !Not Arcanist class they shit out, but made Psychoportation into an Illusion specialist, because they have no idea what psychoportation is.
It's just sad for DSP. There was already friction, but it's outright theft now.
Are there any leaks for Fleshwarping or corruptions in Horror Adventures yet? I've had a hankering to make a body horror character to the level of John Carpenter's Thing for quite some time now and it finally looks like I may be getting the material I need to do so, and the stuff I need to have my PC force that warping on others.
>>47999516
Nigger, spheres were a concept from 2e. 2e priests grabbed their entire spell list from domains, but domain lists were far more extensive in 2e.
>>47999475
>suggesting I have a power level to reveal
Big leap there anon. But hey, everyone who holds a different opinion on the matter must have underlying racist motivations eh?
>>47999468
>>47999516
I'm also staggered by how dumb the PsyWar in it is, since they can be knocked out of concentration as though they were casting spells. So a good number of their class features are tied to an ability that they can be knocked out of for full combats (unless they take a talent to drop it to a move action) by getting hit. As a melee class.
Doesn't Strange Aeons work as a Lovecraft work because, just like all their other APs, the PCs are working with powers beyond their comprehension and will end the campaign as forgotten and useless as they started?
>>47999751
>the final boss of strange aeons is literally the DM.
>>47999673
No, you fucking nigger, I mean you're AUTISTIC. No one means "racism + cosmic" when they say "Lovecraftian horror." Trying to argue that any derivative work must include ALL elements and themes of the original to be "authentic" is a metaphysical guarantee of strong autism, especially when you're arguing about an aspect it's commonly understood is not desirable in derivation. If we want racism, we can vote Republican.
It's especially autistic because it barely even makes sense in Pathfinder, races literally are different species and some of them can't fucking interbreed, let alone that divisions based on things like WHO SUMMONS DEMONS are probably a little more prevalent in Golarion's social consciousness. Having humans nigger-nigger each other over skin color is like if in real life we started deferring to the opinion of foot fetishists on who deserves to be a first-class citizen.
For the folks that were asking earlier, the psionic content for In the Company of Dragons is already done and turned in to Rite; our end is finished up.
>>47999426
How'd they screw up mystic bolts? I don't see any obvious issues.
>>47999834
They're just shitty arrows. Everything that isn't arrows is just shitty arrows. Rapidshot, Manyshot, GG. Every time. IDK why people want ranged weapons that aren't bows but if you do you need to play some other system entirely.
>>47999777
Damn does this give me a metafiction hard on. Probably an impossible concept to pull off though... Unless you set the campaign up with the party learning that they are being controlled by an incomprehensible power, they adventure to learn more and fight in the name of free will, they slay an eldritch monstrosity and 'Master of the Games' only to come to the realization that everything they've done has been under the control of these incomprehensible powers, even their quest in the name of free will wasn't even done out of free will and they never really will be free, they realize that no matter what they will remain puppets (Keep playing), until eventually and suddenly just when they've presumably received their 'happy ending' they cease to exist entirely (Stop playing). You win as a GM if you get your players so invested in the PCs and their cause that they quit playing so their characters won't have to suffer under the control of an ulterior force anymore.
>>47999834
Anon wanted them to be super rapidfire eldritch blasts instead of being free and easy dual handcrossbows that get a stat to damage and need no reloading.
>>47999869
War Soul Psychic Armory Soulknife into Phoenix Champion is better.
>>47999809
>It's especially autistic because it barely even makes sense in Pathfinder, races literally are different species and some of them can't fucking interbreed, let alone that divisions based on things like WHO SUMMONS DEMONS are probably a little more prevalent in Golarion's social consciousness. Having humans nigger-nigger each other over skin color is like if in real life we started deferring to the opinion of foot fetishists on who deserves to be a first-class citizen.
The fact they went through the trouble of giving us stereotypes and racial assumptions for individual ethnicities suggests that yes, people *are* looking at your skin color and they *are* judging you for it.
This "white and brown uniting to gang up on green" is idealistic bullshit perpetuated to ignore centuries of history that showed yes, even in the face of a totally alien foreign group vaguely different ethnic groups *will still* fight among themselves, in fact they'll fight even HARDER! Just look at Central America and North America if you want proof!
>>47999881
If they're not better than a dedicated longbow fighter, they shouldn't be class features. There's no point in a class feature that is worse than someone else's casual build choice.
>>47999908
That's bows being stupidly powerful.
Manyshot should not exist.
Composites should either not exist or other ranged options should have an equivalent.
>>47999908
>If they're not better than a dedicated longbow Warrior NPC, they shouldn't be class features.
FTFY.
>>47999884
Except those distinctions are retarded because the game isn't that GRANULAR. Below the level of national identity characters are barely anything. It's not "white and brown" putting aside their differences it's "if Cheliax has two human ethnic groups no one except strong autists know about it because no one reads that deep into the setting."
>>47999908
What? You're saying having a single class feature is garbage if someone can put their entire specialization with all their own features into doing it better? How does that logic work?
>>47999946
3.5e had Deadly Throw, allowing STR on to-hit with thrown weapons. Combining that with Monk flurries was pretty good, since STR is easy to stack.
>>47999971
I think he means 'If a class' primary feature isn't better than an NPC class attempting the same role, it should be better', which is a more accurate and agreeable statement.
>>47999976
>>47999946
There is a feat in Akashic Mysteries to apply strength to thrown attack rolls and to use Power Attack on your thrown weapons. Its pretty good.
>>47999884
Except we've never had a black and white vs green scenario. The closest would be when the europeans came to north america and lo and behold the tribes ended up working together in an attempt to deal with it. It fell apart later but they werent facing a different species, it was just funny looking people.
>>47998118
Wow this gen is fucking dead.
Hypothetical time!
>So you're sitting wherever you are now, shitposting on 4chan.
>suddenly, Jason Bulhman, the all mighty wizard lord of Paizo, appears before you in a mighty bolt of Lightning. Two chaotic good, wisdom 7, bardic vixens at his side!
>"DO NOT BE AFRAID MORTAL, FOR I HAVE APPEARED BEFORE YOU ON THIS DAY TO GIVE YOU A QUEST!"
>"I HAVE REALIZED THAT TACKLING LOVECRAFTIAN THEME AND HORROR IN STRANGE AEONS IS DAUNTING TASK FOR MY MINIONS! MY DIVINATIONS HAVE POINTED ME FOR THIS HIVE OF SEXISTS, TROLLS AND RIFF RAFF IN ORDER TO SEEK AID!"
>"YOUR QUEST: CREATE A DRAFT OF STRANGE AEONS CONVEYS LOVECRAFTIAN/HORROR THEMES TO THE PLAYER, WHILE STILL BEING A FUN AND ENGAGING EXPERIENCE!"
>"THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AS FOLLOWED
>The AP needs to start in an asylum, from that point on you can do as you like with locale.
>The AP needs to involve beings from the Cthulhu Mythos mentioned in previous Paizo materials.
>You are not allowed to incorporate third party materials into the AP
>the PC's need to finish the AP by 17th level.
>if the PC's are successful, their impact on Golarion as a whole should be kept minimal assuming. So no killing major political figures possessed by eldritch gods.
>no crossover from the technology guide.
>[OPTIONAL] New Magic items to be featured with each installment of the AP
>"IF YOU SATISFY ME! YOU SHALL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED! I SHALLMAKE YOUR WAIFU REAL!
>WITH THAT JAMES JACOBS GRABS A HUNK OF CHAOTIC GOOD BARD ASS AND SLAMS HIS MIGHTY STAFF INTO THE GROUND TELEPORTING BACK TO PAIZO HQ
What would you do /pfg/?
>>48000103
Nobody has cared about gets since 2013.
>>48000181
stfu I care
>>48000153
Be confused, since Bulhman turned into JJ halfway through his explanation.
>>48000191
Literally why.
>>48000103
>6 0s
Nice get. Too bad its a problem with War Room.
>>48000153
>suddenly, Jason Bulhman, the all mighty wizard lord of Paizo
>WITH THAT JAMES JACOBS GRABS A HUNK OF CHAOTIC GOOD BARD ASS
I'm in. No waifu no laifu as they say.
>>48000153
>the AP showcases corrupted versions of every single iconic hero
>the impact should be minimal
Good luck
>>48000197
He's a wizard, fuck you.
>>48000153
>>"IF YOU SATISFY ME! YOU SHALL BE HANDSOMELY REWARDED! I SHALL MAKE YOUR WAIFU REAL!
tell him to go fuck himself my waifu's already real haha screw you lonely nerds
>>48000153
>Chaotic "Good"
Alright /pfg/ I'm heading to bed, but first I give you one last gift.
>>48000401
IT'S NOT A GIFT
IT'S A CURSE
>>47998397
Hi Soilent!
>>47999834
>>47999881
>>47999908
>stat to damage
>"free and easy dual handcrossbows"
>a weapon locked at 30 ft range, no stat to-damage, shit passive scaling, no stat to damage, and no item to boost them, and with no way to pierce the elemental resistances
>you can literally go avenger vigilante, grab a longbow, and pick up combat feats to be better than the guy who archetypes into Warlock and dedicates his entire specialization into a useless feature
This isn't even about being better than or equal to archery, it's that they're fucking WORTHLESS if /ANYTHING HAS ANY RESISTANCE AT ALL/, and there's NO WAY to make them scale or be useful after low levels. They are your entire specialization and you're still better off using a longbow as a warlock.
So I may have an opportunity to redesign aspects of the Pathfinder outer planes. What should I change, what should I keep?
>>47998770
aw, that fucker's cute. Not as cute as Sir Orangepeel, but cute.
>>47999516
Isn't that what OGL is for? Writers can share their material and still get credited for it.
>>48000401
>>48000424
>>48000438
what a surprise
its shit.
>>48000726
Ultimate Psionics is NOT OGL.
>>48000726
They didn't credit the books the vitalist and dread are from in their OGL.
>>48000846
>>48000866
Oh I'm sure it was an accidental oversight or something :^)
>>48000679
Aeons no longer lisen to Pharasma
Qlippoth Lords are far more active in the planes at large
>>48000679
For 3pp?
I can't wait for the negative reviews of Ultimate Occult to start coming in only to have Paizo remove the critical ones like they did for the Trickster.
>>48000153
I'm not doing your homework for you, dude.
Best gestalt build that won't get banned immediately?
>>48000219
That's the new Horror book.
>>48000866
>>48000920
Summoner/Oracle
>>48000846
How is it NOT OGL? If you're publishing Pathfinder compatible material it's OGL. That's how it works.
>>48000920
Barbarian//Alchemist
>>48000920
Occultist|Occultist.
>>48000920
druid/monk you wont get banned until like lvl 8 or 9
>>48000940
I thought some of the psionic classes referenced came later?
>>48000900
The removed reviews were literally just rants instead of actual reviews.
I knew Sword and Board is pretty bad in Pathfinder.
But is Sword and Board Alchemist viable? I just want to do Monster Hunter style SnS user (complete with bomb and potion).
My party isn't particularly optimize so I won't be overshadow for sure.
>>48000978
They referenced the wrong book, several of the referenced classes are from UltPsi, not PsiUn.
It's shameless plagiarism no matter how you look at it.
>>48000920
full caster/another full caster with the same casting stat
>>48001012
Alchemists don't get shields, so not particularly unless you want to spend the feat on it.
>>48001001
I saw them before the removal and agree with you, anon. It might be fun to laugh at shitposting, but reviews like that aren't helping anyone except for getting a chuckle.
>>48000961
Man I got my druid monk banned and it was just regular multiclass.
>>48001026
Oh yeah, if you submitted something like this in an academic setting, you would be lucky to only be expelled.
Although I guess Paizo is cool with sniping DSP.
>>48000920
samurai//pug
>>48001039
A Darkwood shield is cheap and has no armor check penalty, so there's nothing stopping you from using it without proficiency.
>>48001077
>>48001039
Are there people who still think Shield Proficiency matter?
>>48001065
They do this because they know DSP can't afford the legal fees and any payout DSP actually got from a successful suit would be minimal after paying for representation.
>>48001001
>>48001051
I didn't realize kobold was sending shills into /pfg/ now. They were perfectly legitimate reviews, they pointed out the class's many flaws and gave them 1 star reviews because no reasonable GM would allow something like the shitpile that is the trickster into a game.
Hey there, /pfg/
I'm working on a homebrew alchemist archetype. Tell me what you think:
Mutation Master Alchemist Archetype
A Mutation Master specializes in perfecting his mutagens and has developed his own special formula to trigger his own evolutionary mutation.
Weakened Bombs
Mutation Masters spend more time perfecting their mutagen that they forsake their bomb crafting. The Mutation Master does not gain the bomb class feature until 5th level.
Diminished Discoveries:
Mutation Masters cannot select the following list of Discoveries: Cognatogen, Feral Mutagen, Phantom Limb, Tentacle, Vestigial Arm and Wings.
New Discoveries:
Evolved Tumor Familiar - (requires Tumor Familiar Discovery) A Mutation Master may share up to half the total amount of his evolution pool with his tumor familiar.
Improved Evolution Pool - A Mutation Master adds his intelligence modifier to the total number of points in his Evolution Pool.
Mutation Mutagen:
Mutation Masters concoct a more potent, more dangerous variation of the standard Alchemist Mutagen.
In addition to the natural armor bonus and the bonuses and penalties applied to their ability scores, when an Mutation Master prepares a mutagen, he gains a pool of Evolution Points from the Eidolon's Evolution Pool equal to his Alchemist level and may allocate those points for Evolutions.
This modifies the Mutagen class feature.
Mutation Modification
Once per day as a full round action while under the effect of his Mutation Mutagen, the Mutation Master may change any of his evolutions by allocating its evolution pool on new evolutions.
At 6th level, this process is reduced to a standard action.
This replaces the Poison Use and Swift Poisoning class features.
>>48001065
This isn't a Paizo book.
>>48001001
I guess we'll have to disagree. If you're pointing out that something is too broken to actually play you don't really need to give the point-by-point rundown on all the Trickster's class features.
>>48001182
If you think any tabletop game company has the extra money to pay people to come to fucking 4chan of all places and shill, you have a seriously skewed opinion of the industry.
>>48001192
So whats the difference between this and a Synth Summoner?
>>48001210
Don't two of the creators work for paizo?
>>48001240
different casting stats
alchemist formulae instead of summoner spell list
brew potion and alchemy are pretty nice
Alchemist discoveries are great, especially since you can still access the greater and improved mutagens
All in all, a stronger Synth Summoner with a time limit.
The balancing factor is that mutagen must be prepped for an hour per day. Which limits how often the alchemist becomes a monstrous badass.
>>48001108
Considering that Shield Proficiency is a prerequisite for shield-related things? Yes.
>>48001272
Who are the creators?
You know, it was kind of a Tangent last night, but I actually kinda wanna do this
I really, really miss Prestige classes, and I would like to try to bring them back to Pathfinder.
The key to this is making sure that whatever prestige classes i make/remake from 3.5 ones, that they fill a unique slot.
in 3.5 prestige classes often filled the holes inbetween classes, with archetypes and the number of classes we have now, thats basically pointless. Its been done.
Prestige classes need to be very special, a tangent thats too small to make an entire class around, but is perfect for 5-10 levels. A good example of Prestige classes in Pathfinder that I would look to reach near would be the Dragon Disciple, the Chevalier, and probably the Shadow Dancer
Any ideas on this?
>>48001403
Full-casting Bard PRC, like Sublime Chord
>>48001453
Oh shit there were some cool bard PRCs
I need to see if I can get a bunch of 3.5 pdfs, i used to have a bunch
Why the love for Path of War? My every experience with it has been tremendously, eathershatteringly broken beyond all reason. Tripping at a +20 at level 3, becoming permanently incorporeal at will at level 6, critting on a 15...
Am I just getting munchkins?
>>48001388
It's from Rogue Genius Games, a company owned by Owen KC Stephens well before he joined Paizo. The author is Alexander Augunas who is just a freelancer.
>>48001474
I mean if you wanna lie out your ass, sure mang.
>>48001474
I can't tell if you're baiting or just stupid.
>>48001474
>Tripping at a +20 at level 3
A UC Monk can trip, grapple and pin an enemy in a single round at +20
>becoming permanently incorporeal at will at level 6
20% miss chance is laughable
>critting on a 15...
whatiscritfishermaguswithshockinggraspbuild?
>>48001474
You're lying or haven't read the core rule book yet.
Possibly both.
>>48001481
I'm under the impression they credited PsiUlt under a freelancer to avoid potential litigation.
If its a freelancer, DSP will consider a lawsuit too costly for no gain.
>>48001481
Augunas is the big name for Everyman Gaming and has also worked for Paizo, anon.
>>48001144
Pro-bono lawyers actually exists, and I recall there are literary institutions that serve to help writers protect their intellectual property.
>>47998680
Well, I suppose if my group decides to play the AP I'm making a catfolk named Niggerman.
>>48001623
Again, as a freelancer, Anon.
Do you even understand how this industry works?
>>47999516
>It's just sad for DSP. There was already friction, but it's outright theft now.
This wasn't a Paizo book though, was it? I thought it was from some other 3PP that's even less well-known than DSP. Rogue Genius or something. Is that really going to cause them problems?
>>48001786
If Paizo pushes it, then there's the chance that more people will jump ship for "first party psionics."
It's dumb, but it happened before.
>>48001865
It's doubly dumb since they could just as easily push DSP instead and be much more successful.
Question:
I'm a Zweihander Sentinel, which lets me treat any two-handed weapon as a light shield for the purpose of shield bashing. I'm using a Greatsword, which is a Scarlet Throne discipline weapon. If I take Discipline Focus (Scarlet Throne), will the +2 damage apply when I 'shield bash' with my greatsword? I could just take the focus for Iron tortoise, but I'd rather get +2 to my Scarlet Majesty Stance.
>>48001930
Interesting question, immediate bump for possible attention
>>48001865
you want total buttblasting?
Just wait til they release a "first party path of war" book.
I think Paizo devs secretly lurk the /pfg/ and gitp boards to see how players are receptive to other contents and just steal those ideas for themselves.
(example: the abortion known as the Kineticist)
>>48001959
and then they nerf Martials more
XD
>>48001959
>first party path of war
will never happen.
they hate martials having nice things.
>>48001959
Okay, so where did the Kineticist originally come from then?
>>48002004
Warlock.
Everything the Kineticist has was taken and butchered from the Warlock.
Do they have some sort of Springtime for Hitler scheme going on with this Ultimate Occult shit? What do they expect to gain from this?
>>48002004
The kineticist was born of people wanting something like the 3.5 Warlock. All-day blasting.
>>48002038
NOW with DAILY LIMITS on half its shit, every use of which slaughters your effective remaining hitpoints!
>>48001547
being incorporeal isn't a misschance it is immunity to nonmagical physical damage and you can't grapple or maintain a grapple as part of an attack
>>48001786
It's from two Paizo writers, with the rest of Paizo publically enthused about the content, released under non-Paizo so Paizo doesn't take heat for it.
>>48001786
I think Rogue Genius has actually been around longer and sold more products than DSP. DSP isn't actually that big or successful for a 3pp, they were just the first ones to port a couple of the more popular subsystems from 3.5.
I need a 5th level cohort. I'm a squishy Telepath/Thrallherd, and the rest of the party is ECL 6 with me - a Hidden Blade Rogue, Spherecaster centered on Life and Warp, an Artisan focused on, uh. Making things. And a STR-based Unchained Monk, who I and the Artisan are conspiring to make a complete badass, just because we can.
I was thinking of making a War Soul Psychic Armory Soulknife, since we're using the high psionics sidebar.
Ability scores are 4d6r1d1 each, rearrangeable, but literally any 3.5e/PF content is allowed.
The setting has a LOT of Undead, which makes me rather tempted to pull a Radiant Servant of Pelor, but we're also a very Evil party (literally, killed 51 orphans and a homeless guy last session, in exchange for some magic rings, and as a side effect a bunch of demons showed up and ruined one of the few remaining towns). I could probably cheese it a la Thrallherd being mind control, but I'd rather not.
Any good ways for not-Good folks to slaughter Undead, I'm all ears. Nightguard might be good, but it lacks maneuvers, which saddens me for martial builds.
>>48001959
>newish to pathfinder
>get idea in my head to make a bloodrager archetype similar to Sacred Fish
>Call it the Bloody Fist/Blood Riot, never decided on a name
>posted it here
>a few months later, the Bloody Knuckle Rowdy comes out
???
I always thought I was just being crazy.
>I didn't realize DSP was sending shills into /pfg/ now
>>48001474
>Tripping at a +20 at level 3,
Probably a skill-check-replaces-CMB maneuver, which is the only way to make CMBs really worth it. Still inferior in most cases to things like Sleep, Grease, Black Tentacles, etc.
>becoming permanently incorporeal at will at level 6
Permanently incorporeal if they take a specific ability, from a specific school, that they can only ready once (make sure you know this, it's kinda like the maximum-PP-per-round for psionics, people overlook it). They have to use it every round, then recover their maneuvers every round - which means you're basically sitting there incorporeal doing nothing. Remember that incorporeality works both ways for PCs - unless they're using a ghost touch weapon they're dealing half damage.
>critting on a 15...
I'll take 'literally any scimitar or rapier build' for 800, Alex.
>>48002212
It's been happening for a while.
>>48002212
>now
Where do you think we are?
>>48002212
Just because people like something you don't like, doesn't make them shills.
>>48002212
>>48002245
>>48002265
I've got a book on the Illuminati to sell ya, since you're big on implausible conspiracies with no reasonable profit done with insufficient resources.
>>48000642
Sup breh.
So, how does someone get incorporeality at level 6?
>>48002290
nice can you also tell me about the lizard people?
>>48002290
Damnit Gareth stop selling me books
>>48002301
There's a level 3 Veiled Moon boost that makes you incorporeal for one round. So you can actually do it at level 5, if you use the maneuver every round and recover your maneuvers every round. It limits your actions heavily in combat, and can't be used for walking through thick walls and such because you're technically corporeal for a moment every round.
>>48002302
According to Ramtha, they all live under Mt. Rainier and plan to invade under the cover of a volcanic eruption; the only way to be safe is to surround yourself and your home with rock salt.
>>48002301
be unchained monk
pick Empty Body
spend 3 ki to go incorporeal for a full minute at level 4
>>48002290
>Not sure if anyone caught that this was a direct copy of a previous post replacing Kobold Press with DSP.
>>48002302
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/race-points-unknown/reptoid
>>48002414
It's been said in complete seriousness enough times that I no longer assume sarcasm out the gate. You've my apologies.
>>48002408
But it's not broken because there's a limiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
PoW is broken because you can do it foreveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
>>48002408
>>Spend the rest of your day without ki because you have a tiny ki pool.
>>48002446
I'm also the same anon who made the post about tRPGs not having the funds (or desire) to send people here to shill, so I feel you on this fight.
>>48002395
thnx senpai
>>48001930
Your light shield bash is treated as a light shield bash for all purposes, regardless of what weapon you are wielding.
>>48002452
Was that sarcasm or emphasis?
>>48002577
That's . . . only slightly disappointing.
>>48002633
Sarcasm masquerading as emphasis.
Why does the Monk of the Silver Fist not have access to Broken Blade?
It's the monk-est discipline in the game, even more so than Fool's Errand.
>>48002673
That was asked a lot during the playtest too, and never really answered.
>>48002302
According to CNN one will be our next president.
>>48002706
If I recall, they gave the reason of Silver Fist not being an offensive archetype, and Broken Blade is ALL THE OFFENSE ALL THE TIME MORE DAMAGE MORE.
>>48002764
Well I guess there's always unorthodox style.
>>48002673
I think the reason given was that the Silver Fist was designed as a guardian, not an ascetic.
>>48002673
The reason was because if you made an initiator monk archetype with Broken Blade, they'd suck in comparison to all the other monk-alikes (stalker, steelfist commando, dervish defender, aurora soul mystic, etc). So rather than make a sucky monk-alike initiator, they decided to make a tanky monk.
>>48002790
What the hell is the difference?
Monks are punchy.
Broken Blade is punchy.
>>48002825
Yes, but Silver Fist is defensive, whereas BB is the 100% opposite.
>>48002825
The Silver Fist was not designed with monk-stuff in mind. Also, Broken Blade is actually broken, so it's a good thing that the archetype doesn't have it.
>>48001959
>I think Paizo devs secretly lurk the /pfg/ and gitp boards
>secretly
Not when total dramaqueers Crystal and Bhulman constantly reference us triggering the shit out of them.
>>48002882
> Broken Blade is actually broken, so it's a good thing that the archetype doesn't have it.
Not with unarmed strikes and gauntlets it isn't.
>>48002825
All the melee-compatible disciplines are punchy.
Why do you need a special "unarmed strikes only" discipline to be punchy?
>>48002882
>The Silver Fist was not designed with monk-stuff
It's literally a monk archetype with unarmed damage progress.
>>48002944
>All the melee-compatible disciplines are punchy.
Not they aren't because 1d4+Xd6+STAT for a single strike is fucking pathetic.
>>48002944
Speaking of punchiness, I kinda feel like all of the full-BAB-progression classes ought to get improved Unarmed Strike for free at level 1, or else maybe remove the feat entirely and just make it a natural effect of having a moderate but high enough BAB.
>be DSP succubus
>take Mixed Heritage (Good)
Do I have both [good] and [evil] types now?
>>48002959
Let me point you here. >>48002824
It was designed as a tank so it got disciplines to help its roll. If you want something designed to be an unarmed killer monstrosity, there are a variety of better options.
>>48002982
Yes, congratulations.
>>48002959
1d4 is quite a bit different from, say, 1d12 at earlier levels, but at later levels the difference is more from static bonuses (especially 1.5x strength) than base damage.
>>48003044
> but at later levels the difference is more from static bonuses (especially 1.5x strength) than base damage.
Which great swords are still getting and unarmed strikes aren't.
>>48002982
>Mixed Heritage (Good)
What, born of the infinite lovemaking loop between a succubus and a gancanagh?
>>48003044
>Yes, congratulations.
So... do I count as good or evil? What about effects that are different based on my good/evil alignment?
>>48002764
So, they knew a discipline was broken and instead of fixing it they just kept it away from thematically appropriate characters? Cool.
>>48003081
Depends on the DM, since that's not normally something that can happen. I think the standard for things like that is 'whichever is worse for the PC', which is why humanbane weapons and elfbane weapons both affect half-elves.
>>48003095
Broken Blade isn't even broken with unarmed attacks, but faggots here act likes it's sacrilege to suggest that you should restrict the discipline to Unarmed Strikes and Natural Attacks only.
>>48003081
You count as both good and evil.
Ask your GM. I'd either take your actual alignment into account (ie: if you're good alignment, you are treated as good, if evil then evil, if neutral then neutral).
>>48003095
It may be thematically appropriate but not role appropriate. See here: >>48002824
I don't know what needs to go into fixing Broken Blade, but the reasons that apply to PoW1 as a whole likely apply.
>>48003095
>thematically appropriate characters
Holy shit the mobile tank guy uses Iron Tortoise (tanks), Eternal Guardian (supernatural tanking) and Mithral Current (mobility).
If you want to play an unarmed fighter fluffed as a guy that goes around killing shit, I believe you want the Steelfist Commando. Either that or you can take the trait for Broken Blade and be worse than a Steelfist Commando at killing and be a shitty tank.
>>48003110
Does the Mixed Blood feat give you the full effect of the subtype? I doubt it.
>>48003167
That feat isn't on the SRD, can you post the text?
>>48003167
Sure does give you the full good subtype.
>>48003167
>good
>You gain the good subtype, and you gain a +2 racial bonus on saves against effects with the evil descriptor.
>>48003181
Hard to. The feat comes with a table explaining what each type does.
>>48003165
>Update
How is a Silver Fist with BB worse than killing than a Steelfist. The Silver Fist has better unarmed strike damage, lightly less maneuver progression, and that's it. They would be about on par with each other.
>>48001786
Rogue Makes a lot more money and releases a lot more books than DSP.
>>48003081
You should, quite simply count as both. Both sets of effects would take effect. In cases where that is mutually exclusive (good are protected, evil are harmed), then it might be thematic to adjudicate a neutral option (or to fall within good or evil as appropriate for any clerical auras or the like you may have). But yes, Smite Evil and Smite Good both work on you, and things that cause mututally doable effects on either do both effects. It also means that Holy and Unholy weapons both would be issues for you, etc. Or, alternately, your existence is a major plot point within the setting and/or the DM adjudicates you don't actually have both descriptors due to some form of exclusion.
>>48003209
Fair enough.
>>48003203
If that's accurate, then you do indeed gain the good subtype, which would make you an Outsider (Native, Good, Evil) I think.
The way I'd handle it is this:
1. If something has a special effect based on one of your subtypes, but doesn't care about the other, then that effect takes place. Example: you could wield a weapon that can only be wielded by those with the good subtype.
2. If something has multiple effects based on your subtypes, you take which ever one is worse for you. Example: a weapon that grants a bonus to-hit if you have the good subtype, but gives you a negative level if you're evil, would give you a negative level.
But then this is coming from the school of thought that dual-type abilities are mostly designed to weaken a character rather than buff them. As always, ask your GM, because their opinion matters a lot more than a random fag on the internet.
>>48001902
I don't think anyone outside of DSP wants to associate with DSP. DSP doesn't have a strong reputation among other publishers.
Also they did push Ultimate Psionics pretty hard ages ago.
>>48003181
>>48003203
>>48003271
For Mixed Blood(Alignment), it basically gives the full effect.
The general rule at the top of the pdf is that you count as [type/ subtype] for effects and prerequisites, but you don't gain the other benefits of the type/ subtype.
The feat tells you not to recalculate. Nothing too unusual.
>>48003219
Steelfist has full BAB, in class bonuses to attack and damage, better maneuver progression, and class features oriented to sneaking up and gibbing some faggot.
>>48003219
Steelfist has Full BaB for better power attack, a scaling static bonus to unarmed strikes, counts as large for unarmed strikes at level 8 while getting Greater Unarmed Strike for free, and gains an additional +2d6 damage to flat footed targets.
For reference, that means his unarmed strikes use 2d8 at level 15+, and 1d8 at 8th level. They are barely behind the monk's damage die, while getting all of the above bonuses, faster maneuver progression, more maneuvers known and readied, and a recovery that can be used while murdering.
>>48003387
>recovery that can be used while murdering.
How much you want to bet there going to shit on a fun discipline like Broken Blade while leaving shit like this and free damage Quadrupling unchanged.
Seriously, free maneuver recovery is the real fucking issue with path of war.
>>48003437
If they really want to 'fix' broken blade, just make it live up to it's name: It can only be used with unarmed strikes, natural weapons, and improvised weapons. You can spend a feat on discipline adaptation (I think that's the name) if you really want to use it with a greatsword or whatever.
>>48003387
So they just pull slightly ahead of the monk then.
>>48003472
>You can spend a feat on discipline adaptation (I think that's the name) if you really want to use it with a greatsword or whatever.
You can already do that. And that is a problem. Just put in an "unarmed strike and nat weapon only, fuck your feats" clause like Solar Wind.
The only reason people push BB and PF as broken is because it lets people ignore the other fucking issues with PoW as a whole.
>>48003475
I don't see how that was your conclusion.
Even in Path of War, the Full Attack is EVERYTHING and Steelfist has a better full attack and have better boosts/stances to maximize the full attack.
>>48003518
>Even in Path of War, the Full Attack is EVERYTHING
If you play like a faggot yeah, but unarmed combat almost requires full attacks so you have a point.
I don't think BB monk really sucks at it though, it's just not DA BEST either.
>>48003219
2/3 as much isn't "lightly less".
>>48003475
So the damage die is slightly behind (about 2 average damage). Power attack is ahead (+12 damage vs +8 damage), scaling unarmed bonus on Steelfist (+3 to attack and damage), more strikes, better strikes, a recovery that does not give them a dead turn, +2d6 damage to flat footed foes.
Oh and way more accuracy since Full BaB.
>>48003251
[citation needed]
>long time friend and DM says he wants to do another Runelords campaign
>everyone in our extended group(s) enjoys it
>we get 6 fucking people legit signing up
Is it even possible to FIT that many PCs in certain encounters? I can remember parts of books 1,2,3,5 being really cramped at times and scenes really only needing one or two PCs talking.. worried desu.
>>48003472
>>48003493
>unarmed strike and nat weapon only
Would be hilarious if any weapon you were using automatically counted as improvised because Broken Blade.
I mean, people would complain because people, but the idea of having to forget how to use a sword properly to use a martial maneuver makes me laugh important body parts off and seems thematically appropriate.
>>48003570
Which company had to move to patreon to secure customers since they weren't making enough releases and sales?
>>48003625
A lot of third party producers given ttrpgs are a small community and 3rd party users are an even smaller amount?
>>48003612
Book 1 was hell with 6 players, so cramped.
I've been running RotRL for the past year (game is every other Saturday). I'm about to start book 6. when does this adventure path get interesting for me, the GM to actually give a shit about it?
Book 1 - Alright, the gobos were fun.
Book 2 - The house was kind of cool
Book 3, 4 and 5 - Felt like nothing but filler and 'monster of the week' sort of bullshit.
I keep hearing about how people love this adventure path, I'm guessing that they're all players and not GMs. My players like the campaign, I can't stand it.
>>48003635
Yet Rogue Genius makes enough the traditional way to not have to use Patreon. They are staying in the black very well based on their relatively consistent releases.
>>48003570
Which has sunk to allow claims of "theft" of open content, allowing their fans to blast out other 3pps, and not call out or admit to their own shilling on /pfg/?
>>48003651
I joined the campaign in the level 8-10 range, not sure which book we're on. It just feels like a chore to me.
>>48003678
I don't even like Owen. Alex is a cool faggot though, big fan of some of his original works.
If all they did was copy 3.5 mechanics for the Psy War, Psion, Wilder, and Soulknife then this would be all ok. But they copied Vitalist, Dread, and other actual DSP mechanics? That's pretty shameful.
Still, they are a more successful company. They make a lot more releases and even if none/few of them outsell a single Path of War they make up for it with quantity.
>>48003678
Wait...so somehow DSP is both poor enough to require Patreon but also rich enough to afford shills?
>>48003720
I am not that anon.
You don't need to pay shills. Console Wars are proof enough.
>>48003678
> Allow
> Implying I have even the slightest control over anon
This ain't my army. We've done as we've always done; stayed out of discussion on the work other publishers produce unless we can, or must, provide a factual reference of some variety (such as the numerous times I've had to remind anon that Erik Mona endorsed our psionics before the release of Occult Adventures, which was rather kind of him).
I can ask for anon's help, I can politely request that anon not do something, but that's about the beginning and end of my power. And I'm staying extra, super special out of discussion on Ultimate Occult because there's nothing I can say on it that won't be marred by my position.
To be frank, the shilling paranoia is getting pretty old. Put up or shut the fuck up, would you kindly? I'll wait for your evidence.
>>48003732
How does that differ from Fans then?
>>48003760
Easy, if you call them shills then you leave the implication that it's a actually DSP paying people to purchase products. If you call them fans then you're letting people know that these people genuinely enjoy their products.
>>48003751
Don't even respond to that idiot, he's just fishing for (You)s.
>>48003751
you need to keep in mind trolls thrive on (yous) gareth-fampai
>>48003719
>Still, they are a more successful company. They make a lot more releases and even if none/few of them outsell a single Path of War they make up for it with quantity.
I doubt that. I can't imagine anyone looking at something like Ultimate Occult and saying "This is something I want to spend money on."
>>48002982
DSP succubus? Someone's gonna need to fill me in here.
>>48003842
I agree with you in that I wouldn't, but I can easily imagine others might, because everybody has different likes and dislikes
In other words, here's the (you) you are so thirsty for
>>48003842
On DTRPG it's a hot seller. Apparently lots of people are buying.
They may or may not regret buying it, but it's selling well.
>>48003848
Monster Classes, Pinnacle & Pit (also includes the Hound Archon). Came out recently, should be in the trove if memory serves and you wanna take a look. Standard warning on monster classes balance applies, but there's some feats included that might catch your eye.
>>48003848
it's DSP Erinyes, actually.
Amusingly, it's ideal for the 3.5e PRC, Fiend of Possession. It takes the [evil] subtype, which was hard to get in 3.5e as a PC, but now two levels Psion one level Psychic meets the prereqs handily.
>>48003882
We did both, anon. Erinyes released first, though.
>>48003880
>hound archon
is it a doge?
