How do you feel about the portrayal of tabletop games in other media?
>>47962039
big bang theory - no
IT crowd - yes
Golbergs - not sse that one, but I love the show
>>47962039
Freaks & Geeks - yes
>>47962039
We're sort of entering an era when the acknowledgement of the inherent "nerdiness" associated with tabletop is there but it is becoming more and more casual and less stigmatized. I guess that's a good thing but I still think it's something people look at as quaint or quirky, like unicycling or something, rather than as a legitimately acceptable hobby for well adjusted people.
>>47962118
I for one dislike casual plebs who aren't interested in detail and just want to either lolsorandum or play a tabletop action move.
How about this episode?
>>47962039
I have the same feelings towards its portrayal just like video games and most other "nerd" hobbies, burning rage at how lazily they research the subject and put it on the air, fuck a good example is NCIS, and their "hacking scenes, or the MMO episode.
It's like the writers havnt been exposed to anything past the 50's.
>>47962327
I still cringe when I hear aging comedians doing a vidya gag that involves something like "I got to level 12". Especially if the vidya is Tekken.
Best portrayal of tabletop was when Key & Peele did a sketch about it.
>>47962039
Well, I'm not a little bitch who cries about nerd blackface if that's what you're asking.
I loved Reno 911's handful of RPG skits.
>>47962168
That episode actually convinced my friends in high school to actually ask me if I would run a game for them. Years later, I've moved away and they're in college or just graduating and they're still going strong playing every week.
>>47962481
Where da bitches at?
the average media depiction of anything is going to be highly inaccurate
no sense getting worked up about it
>>47962327
>just like everything unfamiliar to the in-group "TV scriptwriters"
Fix'd. See also: guns, police procedure, medicine, forensic science, SCIENCE science, the dynamics of urban poor, the dynamics of rural ANYTHING, organized crime, disorganized crime, working real jobs.
>>47962039
Who cares?
>>47962118
Board gaming is seeing a strong resurgence. It only really had a turbo-nerdy stigma in the last generation or two, as that was the advent of 24/7 instant entertainment. Seeing normies playing light Eurogames at the local brewpub has become the new normal across swathes of the country.
>>47962481
link?
>>47962168
It was an odd playstyle and I reject the notion that Abed's a great DM for being impartial when Pierce's metagaming was so obvious. I love Community though and the joke about dying of exposure in 13 rounds was pretty incredible.
>>47962168
Was pretty good.
>>47962104
My man of good taste.
>>47962118
It's an inside joke among programmers that they make hacking as silly as possible because people are dumb. It's only been recently that they've actually shown a few more accurate depictions of it in media.
The same goes for many a nerdy thing. South Park does it because they like trolling nerds, Big Bang does it because it's nerdom that's accessible to non-nerds, and others do it because they want to accurately replicate the feel of nerdy bullshit but don't have the licensing to actually feature a real game.
>>47962039
My only real beefs are
1) More often than not the writers put very little research into how the games are played and thus give the completely wrong impression on how they're played.
2) When they're used to take a jab at nerds ('neeeeeerds, eeeeeeeeew') or
3) When they're used as a scapegoat ("we found satanic paraphernalia in the killer's apartment, like sacrificial daggers and dungeons and dragons books!")
>>47963869
To me any time someone praises Abed's "great DMing" is a dead giveaway that they don't actually play RPGs.
>>47964260
Exactly. The saving grace of the sessions the Study Group has played is that they've had some great players, not a great DM.
>>47962039
To be honest I don't really care. My friends and I have fun playing games and that's all that matters to us.
I've heard the phrase "blackface for nerds" thrown around a few times and I've got to say that criticism bothers me more than the actual depictions of 'nerds'.
>>47962697
https://vimeo.com/39114507
>>47964642
You need to let go of the historical connotations and realize the description is based solely on the idea of the exploitation of one groups stereotypes of the other for the sake of entertainment.
Personally I'm more a fan of "nerdsploitation."
>>47962039
I couldn't possibly care less. I haven't watched TV in 17 years.
>>47964687
Nerdsploitation works better because of the dehumanizing element critical to blackface.
>>47964746
You could argue there's a lot of dehumanizing of geeks/nerds in media.
>>47962039
Pretty good
>>47964780
Not without sounding like an idiot.
>>47962039
>>47964800
I need to make webm versions of this episode
>>47964815
In your opinion.
I work in law enforcement and game regularly. Most media portrays both completely inaccurately. Cop/court/jail/prison stuff I can't watch because I'll get annoyed. Tabletop stuff I'll watch and laugh how off it is. Once in a while with tabletop things you get something genuinely funny though, like that one episode of Dexter's Lab.
>>47964841
Go ahead and argue it, moron
>>47962039
can your character beat gygax, the lv 27 warrior mage who wields a soul sucking sword and a world breaker mace?
>>47964861
Waste of time, you've clearly already made up your mind.
>>47964841
Off to a great start.
a far out game
>>47964800
all this makes me think of...
>DM:"Roll a spot check, McRoguerson."
>Party Rogue:"Ok.....3."
>DM:"You spot nothing out of the ordinary."
>Rest of the group:"....why don't you take point Sir Meatshield, we will follow paces behind..."
fucking metagamers, man.
>>47964909
A GORVIL!
https://youtu.be/bVg8o8BxNQM?t=1074
>>47964824
18, 21, 49
>on a d12
>>47965018
Can't be a D12 because the pentagrams surround a hexagon, it's like a D14 or something
also some of the numbers change when it rolls, so it's also a trick dice of some kind
>>47965131
Pentagons* lol
>>47965131
Or, you know, it's just animated to look funny as a joke.
>>47962039
It's about as accurate as anything depicted in pop culture media.
>>47965168
NO! WE MUST GO DEEPER
>>47965422
Godspeed, anon.
>>47965422
Now what could fill the other side of this...
>>47964824
>>47964800
This episode and reading the hobbit as a kid is what got me into play D&D in middle school, can't believe that was almost 20 years ago now
>>47962039
I barely feel at all.
>>47965574
keep going...
>>47965987
I've made a thread
>>47966013
>>47962327
>NCIS, and their "hacking scenes, or the MMO episode.
I'm pretty sure those were goofy on purpose as stone-faced satire of those genre conventions.
There's simply no other explanation for how ridiculous those are.
>>47965829
Same here, anon.
Well, that plus a hand-me-down copy of DragonStrike from a cousin. Between the game itself and that 'HyperReality' VHS tape it was actually a pretty fair primer for playing an RPG.
>>47962039
>How do you feel about the portrayal of tabletop games in other media?
When I see it, I at first think of everything they are getting wrong:
>”I’m a level 50 Dungeon Master!”
Then I remember a story I saw once on the info-tainment boxicle:
A young boy who had recently joined “the scouts” was watching tv with his sister on the floor while his dad sat on the couch. They were watching an animation of a violent altercation between a cat and mouse.
The boy angrily responded by pointing out that the mouse tied a knot incorrectly.
The girl wisely responded that it was a cartoon, and you can’t expect it to be completely realistic.
Then the father walked past the window outside.
And then I laugh and feel joy.I occasionally watch, and usually enjoy, TBBT. But nothing on the show has ever made me laugh harder than the idiots on /tg/ that rage about it while describing the same things every average sitcom does, never owning the fact that they only hate it because it hurts their widdle feewings.
>>47966525
>Then I remember a story I saw once on the info-tainment boxicle:
>A young boy who had recently joined “the scouts” was watching tv with his sister on the floor while his dad sat on the couch. They were watching an animation of a violent altercation between a cat and mouse.
>The boy angrily responded by pointing out that the mouse tied a knot incorrectly.
>The girl wisely responded that it was a cartoon, and you can’t expect it to be completely realistic.
>Then the father walked past the window outside.
>And then I laugh and feel joy.
... wut?
What does this have to do with anything?
>>47966607
>>47966607
>be me
>be seeing portrayal of tabletop games in other media
>at first, start to sperg over how they be wrong
>then remember that one Simpsons episode where they pointed out how silly it is to be upset over inaccuracies on tv in a funny way
>be not sperging, be happy
>>47966906
Also this.
>>47962688
That "resurgence" has been a twenty year climb, since Settlers first arrived in the US.
Which made last week's story in the LA TImes just a little awkward.
>>47962168
The second one was better, but I loved the first.
David Cross and Johnathan Banks were more interesting players than Chevy Chase and the guy who plays Fabulous Neil.
Though Chang in Drowface was pretty great.
>>47962523
Those LARPing scenes were great.
>>47962039
I don't watch tv so I wouldn't know.
>>47962039
Don't know, the only portray I ever got was Gamers series and the 2nd movie was pretty much my group, just change their names.
So let's say I feel great about it.
>>47962039
I don't get how they are always portrayed as a thing being played by specific group of people, call them nerds, geeks or whatever else.
It just doesn't translate to who is playing tabletops in my country, so even if they manage to convey the gameplay without any "offs", the people playing are just ridiculous. I mean how that translates to my group, where I've got a body-builder, archeologist chick, a cop and the drummer from local band in the group? It's not even about insulting, but how prevailing this portray is and how little it has to do with reality outside Burgerland.
>>47962039
It's not accurate enough. The players are usually short by a hundred pounds. In big bang theory, short by 250
>>47965292
This. It is rare that anybody with actual experience in a field will be satisfied when that field turns up in media of any kind.
>>47968951
There's always gotta be that one faggot.
>>47962039
I can still remember the Recess episode about D&D. You know, the one where TJ broke his collarbone and had to spend recess inside with the Pale Kids until it healed. While its portrayal of D&D was a little off, it was surprisingly respectful in how it showed "nerd culture" as being just something people liked, especially for a show in the tail end of the Satanic Panic days. Once TJ got over his prejudice against kids who don't like playing outside and realized that they still had some interests in common, he started really having fun playing D&D with them and learning about what they were into and actually got to thinking that they were pretty cool. This was just what they did to have fun, and it was just as legitimate a way to have fun as playing kickball.
>>47964661
I am speechless.
>>47962168
Did it accurately depict my experience of dnd? No but it hit the important parts and was funny.
>>47962569
This. I live in Chicago but the portrayal of rural folks in Zootopia really pissed me off.
Nerds are the last acceptable target and the last resort of ghostwriters stuck with filler.
>>47971662
Whenever I see posts like this all I can picture is some rail thin 14-year maddeningly mashing his keyboard, a small bit of foam around his clenched teeth. In only a couple years he's gone from ironic shitposting to halfway believing all the shit he spews.
I jerk off to the fantasy of calling him a little faggot on the internet and then heading over to his house and fucking his mom.
>>47971956
whenever I see a post like this I imagine some gen y retard who has made 4chan the cesspool it has become over the last five years, who is too retarded to understand that some people often extremely exaggerate their views, and who takes everything at face value in between laughing at funny facebook videos and being late to our scheduled blowjob session where he licks my ass after finishing me off
>>47971956
While the last line is 2edgy5me, if you don't think such culture has influenced our society in a deeply negative way you are either willfully ignorant or trying to sell something.
>>47968868
What story?
>>47971662
alright buddy, it's time to go back
>>>/r9k/
>>47972685
after you
>>>/lgbt/
>>47972772
He's still getting more pussy that you'd ever get
>>47962039
>>47964909
Beware the Sacrilege
>>47962449
>mfw this scrub can't even get to level 12 in tekkenI bet you have a tiny penis, too.
![749uW5j[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Run44ab.png "749uW5j[1].png")
>>47962449
>aging comedian doing a vidya gag
>he knows what he's talking about
>>47972882
Is that real?
>>47972984yes
>>47966525
>>47966607
>>47967110
It's one thing to portray it incorrectly, especially if it's for a laugh. It's somethign quite different when portraying it incorrectly, while mocking it, and in such a way as to make it clear that the writers don't know the first thing about what they're mocking. Gravity Falls was pretty guilty of this.
In game was called Dungeons, Dungeons, and more Dungeons. When Dipper starts trying to explain to Mabel how to play, he starts with, "First, we make a graph." Have you ever made a graph in a tabletop game? Can you think of a way in which a graph could come up in a tabletop system?
The rule book is the size of a hefty phonebook and is described as being incredibly complex. Okay, fine. Except in the end of the episode the protagonists save the day when they realize that, in this game you literally just make up whatever you want and that appears to be all there is to it. So what's the rulebook do?
The game also included a monster which was apparently "banned," as if the game was had some kind of organized competitive play, which can only be defeated by rolling maximum on your die roll.
The game also uses a 38-sided die, which like the Dexter example above was just drawn as a d12.
>>47963999
>It's an inside joke among programmers that they make hacking as silly as possible because people are dumb. It's only been recently that they've actually shown a few more accurate depictions of it in media.
Well, it's also because much of hacking is boring and or simplistic, which isn't very much fun to watch. What I found hilarious was that the movie Hackers - early 90's "There's this thing called the internet..." zeitgeist and all - has some of the most legitimate hacking ever. No, not the goofy bullshit at the end where they "Bomb the Gibson" with cartoon viruses in VR, but the subtler stuff. Where the main character tricks a security guard into giving up his password over the phone, or where Lord Nikon pretends to be a delivery guy so he can wander the floor of the target office and watch people type in their passwords. Hell, they even use phone phreaking (a moment of silence for an art that has almost no medium any more) and read The Conscience of a Hacker almost verbatim.
The rest of it is invented garbage because it wouldn't be as flashy as it needed to be on the screen, but it's obvious some research was done.
>>47973083
>Have you ever made a graph in a tabletop game?
Most DMs who have played pre 3e probably have, or just people who wanted miniature combat before popular wet erase mats.
>>47973124
>Most DMs who have played pre 3e probably have, or just people who wanted miniature combat before popular wet erase mats.
I think the implication is that he was saying to make an X,Y coordinate graph, not a grid.
>>47964661
>https://vimeo.com/39114507
why won't the fucking camera hold still god damn it
>>47973083
So it's GURPS?
In a generation obsessed with shallow emotions and "being yourself", strategic thinking is portrayed as legitimately funny, and unironically ironic.
>>47973083
>The game also included a monster which was apparently "banned," as if the game was had some kind of organized competitive play
It was a thing back in the day, you know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%26D_Championship_Series
>>47973124
>>47973137
>The rules are simple. First you roll a 38-sided die to determine the level of each player's statistical analysis power orb. These orbs relate directly to the mount of quadrants that your team has dominion over, which is inverse to the anti-quadrants in your quadrant satchel.
>And then we ride unicorns?
>Yes, and no. First, we make a graph.
I'll give them the jargon about the orbs and quadrants, since it's poking fun at the complexity of the rules in a very complex game, but none of that sounds like the writers actually know anything about the rules they're poking fun at.
And yeah, they were totally going to make a line graph or something on that graph paper. As like the second step of character creation. Come on.
>>47962039
community does it cool
>>47973096
I remembed Dredd doing that as well.
>>47972772
4chan has its own tumblr board?
>>47971662
What does /tg/ think of Bender's Game, at least the D&D-y parts before the jump to Cornwood and after? Meaning when the kids were playing their fantasy tabletop game, and when they shifted to Bender's fantasy land.
>>47962688
>playing boardgames at the pub
Fucking deviants. The pub is for getting pissed and getting laid in the toilet booths.
>>47973656
It would've made for a good futurama episode. It didn't make for a good futurama movie.
>>47962039
Stupid and uninformed. But at least they don't think RPG nerds are devil worshipers anymore.
Y-Yeah! I'm glad that those unfounded rumors are o-over
>>47962039
They have progressively improved since the 1980's, which implies that the writers of media wherein tabletops are played have a significantly improved chance of having, at some point in their lives, played a tabletop game.
Compare: Skullduggery (1983) to Community's AD&D episode (2010)
Skullduggery dialogue
>GM: "Okay, it's, uh, your turn" (hands over the dice) "Roll Adam. What character do you want to be?"
>Adam: "I want to play the Warlock.
>GM: "Great choice Adam."
>(Adam rolls 3 dice)
>GM: "You've got, 180 IQ."
>(Adam rolls dice)
>GM: 18 stamina
>(Adam Rolls 3 dice)
>Girl: "And a seven charisma, that's the highest score i've ever seen, you couldn't have done much better than that Adam."
Meanwhile, Community: here's a trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_WWEF06ZUw
I don't need to tell you how shamefully written the Skullduggery dialogue is, with Adam evidently rolling three sixes on three six sided dice twice in a row, and then having his awful 7 charisma be the object of note, and respect, said with no sarcasm at all. not ot mention that the GM is telling Adam it is his turn, to play, while he has not even created his character yet, AND they only have one set of dice at the table.
Community, on the other hand, comes off with heart, passion, enjoyment.
>>47974241
Community was fuggin amazing and the only portrayal of a game I've thought the writers actually played/gave a shit
>>47971204
Really? I've been all over rural areas (Cape Girardeau Missouri, Clinton Indiana, parts of Florida) and it didn't seem too off to me. I swear her parents are rabbit versions of my aunt and uncle.
>>47974575
Even if it's not a perfect representation of what happens on the tabletop, it's definitely evocative of the feeling of it.
It's the difference between the kind of exploitative humor that's the low-hanging fruit, and the kind of humor that's at once poking fun at something but is also a love letter to it. Community is just well-written and it never strays into the "Big Bang Theory" level of "Look at thing! It's nerdy but you might recognize it!" nerd jokes.
>>47973083
>It's somethign quite different when portraying it incorrectly, while mocking it, and in such a way as to make it clear that the writers don't know the first thing about what they're mocking.
And getting mad over a tv show doing that with one subject when they do it with nearly ALL subjects, makes anon a triggered baby.
See >>47962569
Which honestly, is fine. Being triggered by the drivel of assholes is fine if that's what a person chooses to be invested in.
But trying to make something more of it than that, like an "attack on your culture" or nerd-blackface, is just laughably sad.
And I laugh at them.
>>47973083
>It's one thing to portray it incorrectly, especially if it's for a laugh.
He says before bitching about someone doing just that.
>>47981158
Ummmmmmmm no.
>>47981231
It's all exaggeration based on how complicated the writer remembers AD&D being as a kid. The joke is "look at how pointlessly complicated this game is". Hell, you even point out that he does get the game in your post
>in the end of the episode the protagonists save the day when they realize that, in this game you literally just make up whatever you want
That's RP in a nutshell.
>>47962327
The NCIS hacking scenes are jokes though
As in, intentionally made as stupid as humanly possible but still capable of tricking the execs
I have never seen a single moment of tabletop portrayed in other media that looked like it could be an actual tabletop game. Other media be like, "BEHOLD, THE MOST ELDRITCH OF GEEK RITUALS".
Real tabletop games tend to fall into one of two camps, very loose and casual so that it's a storytelling conversation (with a lot of laughter and people embellishing each other), or a little more formal with the back-and-forth of a board game and occasional pauses for thought. I've never seen either of those things in other media.
But I haven't seen Freaks&Geeks and I haven't seen much of Community (just enough to know that it's good, and that if it did a D&D joke it would probably capitalize on the inherent in-game humor in D&D, rather than "LOL LOOK IT'S D&D" being the joke).
>>47964661
I shouldn't have found this as amusing as I did
>>47974241
>Girl: "And a seven charisma, that's the highest score i've ever seen, you couldn't have done much better than that Adam."
That's a fucking hilarious line for a bunch of nerds though, it implies they are so uncharismatic that probability alters itself to reflect it in their games
that's really funny
>>47980066
>>47974575
>>47974241
The reason the Community thing was so good is that Dan Harmon, one of the writers, is a big P&P nerd
He was part of the troupe that made that classic video that literally everyone knows now, with the magic missile and mountain dew
>>47981615
The Dead Alewives skit. Yea that actually wasn't a terrible portrayal (though t was a portrayal of a terrible game).
>>47981799
That was sort of the entire joke though. How D&D was about as satanic as any other really stupid game that kids play these days
>>47981615
>Harmon was an Alewife
That explains a lot
>>47981808
Yea, exactly, the worst it gets is just sitting around being stupid and immature and laughing about it, which is what teenagers would be doing anyway.
>>47968868
Which one?
>>47964661
probably the most accurate portrayal of a That Guy in cinematic history
>>47965574
What a huge hand, were you made in some german castle?
>>47964824
>gore graph
>>47980879
>And getting mad over a tv show doing that with one subject when they do it with nearly ALL subjects, makes anon an evil speech criminal who should stop hurting my feelings with his bad facts.
Has that ever worked?
>>47962144
Hearing you sperg on about the architecture of the king's palace isn't fun and isn't getting any plot done, faggot
>>47988373
Your point eludes me.
Has what, exactly, ever worked?
>>47981337
There is no possible way that anyone with any sort of computer experience at all would think that this was legitimate hacking.
>>47988675
People with any sort of computer experience might think the things on screen are legitimate hacking.
They'd call bullshit on the keyboard, though, yes.
>>47988152
You don't use a gore graph? Do you hate fun or something? Shit like that's great for action scenes. Just take the crit charts from Dark Heresy and you're good to go.
>>47988415
That' because you don't use grappling hooks off the flying buttresses to swing into action or detonate bomb to bring down the causways
>>47988757
Yeah, you got me there. Maybe it's because I'm not retarded enough to pick a fight with the monarch of an entire nation/city-state
>>47988767
>m-m-muh games for playing pretend are mature and for serious people, while yours are for spergs!
Not even the dude you're talking to, you just came off as that fucking retarded.
>>47988836
>you're retarded for not wanting to travel purely by grappling hook or blow up embankments
If it comes up in game, then sure, they can find something for their grappling hook to latch onto. But until then it doesn't matter in the slightest.
>>47962039
I never understood why gamers were often depicted in LARP-gear around their gaming table.
Does anyone really do that?
>>47988861
And immediately the goalposts are moved. Nice.
>>47988895
There was that one story where the gm had the players wear gas masks to put them in the proper mood for creepy space exploration.
But that's the only time I ever heard of it.
>>47988976
>>47988895
I've done it before for a laugh but it's more an excuse to pull out the cosplay gear than anything else.
I'd hardly call it standard, sometimes you just want to break out the beer and pizza and have fun.
>>47988959
>le moving le goalposts
My entire point was that if your sperging about architecture isn't something your players care about and has no bearing on the plot then you should fucking quit it, how is this moving the goalposts Autismotron 5000?
>>47973284
To be honest, when I watched that episode, that more or less felt like a jab at someone -trying- to explain the rules, and over-complicating it.Let's be honest a lot of us do that
i don't care because 'caring about the portrayal of x in the media' is exactly the sort of thing that ruins the world
>>47988767
>Yeah, you got me there. Maybe it's because I'm not retarded enough to pick a fight with the monarch of an entire nation/city-state
>>47989073
See above. Maybe you should fucking say what you mean next time. I mostly object to you shitting on the notion of pulp heroics.
>>47989310
>pulp heroics
And yet every explicitly pulpy system I've ever seen doesn't expect you to walk away from stirring up the entire city watch. Go be a dumb fuck elsewhere.
>>47966141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8LBpMuSTrQ
No VHS needed
>>47989346
Exalted 2.5, dumb nigger. Maybe you should try playing tabletop games.
>>47989473
>Savage Worlds
>every edition of d6
Also
>Exalted as your example
I said a system, not a cludgefest from someone ramming the barely-functional oWoD system into a setting it wasn't designed for
>>47962039
Okay, you have 10 minutes to explain why should I give 0.01 fucks about the portrayal of tabletop games in other media
>>47962039
Generally indifferent, though Big Bazinga Theory annoys me.
Hold the fucking phone everybody
Are you all trying to tell me Mazes And Monsters was inaccurate in it's portrayal of the effects of dungeons and dragons?
It must be true, because it had Tom Hanks in it.
Next you will be telling me that Reefer Madness wasn't totally honest.
>>47988895
my group would occasionally dress in funny hats while nerding.
>>47962039
All media attempting to depict "nerd culture" is exploitative and marginalizes the demographic it attempts to depict.
>>47989649
More players => more RGPs => more better RPGs => better RPGs for you to play
More players => more groups to play in => better chances of getting group you like
>>47990361
Short and correct.
>>47990361
Except it is every bit as likely that you'll get the following bit instead:
More players => Casualized bullshit => I no longer enjoy my hobby.
See: The decline of TES as a series.
>>47990453
>fukken casuls ruining everything, they need to git gud and learn all the arcane bullshit I did
I love how these faggots seem to think making things less ass-backwards and more accessible is the end of their hobby. Fuck off and go play Daggerfall for the 75th time
>>47990453
> Except it is every bit as likely
No. TES is a monopoly. Only 1 (one) product could be produced.
RPGs are free-for-all and thousands of products are produced. If Hasbro "casualises" DnD, there is OSR that gets the job done.
>>47990494
If you can make a game more accessible without hacking off the bulk of the depth, please goddamn do so. That is the pinnacle of game design. It also rarely happens, because it's fucking hard.
>>47990530
>What are market trends and why do products follow the leader?
See me after class.
>>47988767
Yes, you are a fucking pussy.
>>47990583
>you'll cowards don't even get riddled with crossbow bolts
>>47990551
> doesn't know about niche products
>>47973938
I miss the satanic panic days. I first played D&D with my friends at night, by flashlight, in the woods because if our parents had found out they'd have lost it.
I spent an entire summer "camping" so I could play every day. Everything's more fun when it's forbidden.
>>47988895
Because sometimes props are fun. I spend some of my sessions pretending to read spells from a dictionary while I wave around a pool cue.
>>47990692
For social activities, they might as well not exist. "Niche" tabletop RPGs just wind up sitting and gathering dust. Shit, I have trouble putting together a fucking Shadowrun game, and that system's ancient, currently supported with new content, and well known.
>>47990769
> I miss the satanic panic days.
So ... Do we need to turn RPGs into muslim terrorist cults or into communist propaganda machines?
>>47990494
stopping by in this thread to say there are NO good elder scrolls games
>>47962168
I was gonna mention it. They simplified it a lot, but I felt that it wasn't too bad a depiction of how a D&D game could go down. It had plenty of flaws, but certain good points too, and a metagamer got to eat shit which is always nice.
>>47990838
>pool cue
That's a big wand.
You compensating for something, wizard?
>>47990865
>implying you can't do both
Soviet-Afghan War game when?And no, The Phantom Pain does not count.
>>47991091
> Soviet-Afghan War game when?
Already.But I'm not sure is there were terrorists. Or Communist propaganda.
>>47991174
> if there were any
f-f-fix
>>47989754
I was going to ask if you also thought Bosom Buddies reflected reality,
...but then I remembered where I was.
>>47973083
Actually Hirsch played it with Pen Ward and another CN guy and had a shitty time then never played again because Pen and the other guy argued about rules for the whole time
It's a parody of how he found the rules needlessly complicated for a game of "make-believe"
>>47990865
nah... there was just a different quality to the hobby when it was forbidden. Growing up in a small midwestern town most youthful rebellion was underage drinking and shitty marijuana. Playing D&D in a collapsing barn by the light of an old oil lamp was a way to be transgressive without the substance abuse. Now we have popular shows on youtube where d-list celebrities play RPGs.
This isn't an "It's popular now it sucks" thing. I know that losing the satanic stigma was good for the hobby overall, but sometimes I miss the forbidden fruit part.
>>47981615
Fat Neil's AD&D book hoard belonged to that guy IIRC
>>47991411
"I'm too stupid for this activity, so it sucks!"
I mean, damn, that nigga just comes off as salty *and* stupid, rather than just stupid.
Not that I'm terribly invested in the discussion, though-- People shit on my hobby all the fucking time, boo fucking hoo, whatever. It's not like I don't fire back at hobbies I think are shit. (Seriously, fucking kill yourself if you like Nascar.)
>>47991032
>That's a big wand.
For you
>>47991484
I think it was probably more to do with the guys who played with him
If you're completely new and the only other two players are grognards rules lawyers you'll have a bad time
>>47991538
I mean, fair enough, but getting my shit pushed in while learning to play soccer didn't cause me to fucking rageface and hate soccer.
>>47991549
Then I honestly think you're in the minority because that's how a lot of nerds reacted to sports, especially in school, as kids
>>47980879
>nerd-blackface
I think this metaphor is pretty apt if you remain lucid while using it.
Blackface minstrelsy was where a white person in black makeup would get up on stage and perform a comedic dance composed of references to various then-widespread-but-now-quaintly-dated African American stereotypes. In short, someone who isn't black pretends to be by invoking black stereotypes, all for the entertainment of other people who aren't black.
Things like the Big Bang theory really are quite similar: People who aren't nerds pretend to be by invoking nerd stereotypes, all for the entertainment of other people who aren't nerds.
It's not the sort of metaphor I would use in front of an actual African American, unless we were good friends and were okay with each other's jokes; but it's still an apt metaphor.
>>47991847
I get what you're saying but the main difference is that people generally weren't lynched in the street or enslaved for playing D&D
>>47991898
Not him, but that's clearly not the point here.
Just because people did not went full Nazi on RPGs doesn't make assholes any less of an asshole.
>>47991898
Yeah, racism is fucked up on an order of magnitude much higher than the social prejudice nerds have to deal with is fucked up. Still, a surprising number of normalfags I know IRL have responded to that metaphor with, "Huh, I've never thought about it that way."
Big Bang Theory: No, so much no
Community: Yes
Dexter's Lab: Yes
>>47964642
The description is "accurate" in the sense that it uses the same kind of exaggerated stereotypes to laugh at (but also kind of with) nerds.
I'd still say it's pointless to use it since making fun of tabletop RPG players is perfectly okay, whereas blackface is kind of racist (even though I'd appreciate if people could relax a little).
If some people actually use this in a non-ironic way and pretend to be victims due to their presentation in media, they're not people I wish to know. I hope no-one really does this.
>>47992341
>(but also kind of with)
Y'know, I don't see any of that. I'm not ass-blasted by it, jesus, nerdy shit has always been the butt of jokes, but let's not pretend these cunts are anything but, well, rude fucking cunts taking pot shots at an "acceptable" target.
>>47992436
You're right but also kind of not right.
It is true that nerds are acceptable targets for ridicule because this is the way it has been pretty much forever. It is also true nerds are easy targets since they are by and large white heterosexual males that don't have a special interest group looking to gain points for defending them.
But nowadays, as opposed to for example my childhood (80's), the descriptions in media have become really relaxed. They used to be absolutely cruel and being a nerd or being interested in nerdy hobbies used to be tantamount to social suicide. The panic and hysteria about video games and RPGs was real - kids were beating up the nerds at for fun at school, and their parents were deriding those same people for becoming serial killers due to games at home.
It's be funny if it wasn't so surreal, and actually it's kind of funny anyway.
Since the turn of the millennium, the last 10 or so years in particular, having nerdy hobbies has become increasingly tolerated and acceptable. Of course, if a person of my age mentions they play video games or (good heavens) tabletop RPGs, there's not going to be a second date. But at least among younger generations, those in their early twenties or younger, it seems to be relatively acceptable to be a geek.
I think the modern media descriptions of nerds are pretty friendly. Let's not be like the LBGT crowrd and spend our whole lives butthurt. Let's be men.
>>47992682
>Let's not be like the LBGT crowrd and spend our whole lives butthurt. Let's be men.
Hey nigger I was with you right up until you made it clear you didn't read my fucking post and just wanted an excuse to yammer on and seem smart. Now fuck along.
>>47992769
The last line was not for you in particular but my as my general opinion of this discussion (although I'm happy that most people seem to have a very reasonable view). I apologize if it seemed to be deriding you.
>>47992901
>Any media criticism is rooted in butthurt!
Jesus, Ethel, I know feminists fucked your entire world up, but you're more of an asshole than them when you act like that.
![729044[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aHiPJZI.jpg "729044[1].jpg")
>>47966525
>Then I remember a story I saw once on the info-tainment boxicle:
>A young boy who had recently joined “the scouts” was watching tv with his sister on the floor while his dad sat on the couch. They were watching an animation of a violent altercation between a cat and mouse.
>The boy angrily responded by pointing out that the mouse tied a knot incorrectly.
>The girl wisely responded that it was a cartoon, and you can’t expect it to be completely realistic.
>Then the father walked past the window outside.
>And then I laugh and feel joy.
Ah yes, I am familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-sCNfE0bM
can't believe this wasn't posted yet
Orphan Black has been doing a great job with modern board games. Several episodes have had characters playing actual games (Runewars, Agricola, Dead of Winter, Descent) portrayed accurately and positively.
>>47973240
Organized play is still a thing, but the implication that it works like Magic and has a banlist betrays an unfamiliarity with it.
>>47991847
A Black person is Black because of biology.
A nerd is a nerd because of behavior.
Stop acting like a bitch and maybe you won't get treated like one.
>>47981594
Considering the rest of the movie, I highly doubt that was the intention.
>>47971195
>>47990908
I'd compare it to the recent Shadowrun vidya, playing it fast and loose with the details to get at the heart of why we loved the original.
>>47963869
>>47964260
>>47964298
While I agree that he was a mediocre-at-best DM, I think that was kind of the point, that they all had no idea what they were doing except for Neil. Abed's DMing style is what you'd expect from someone like Abed who'd never played an RPG before. He only appears superficially competent because no one else had read the rules and knew the terminology, not because they truly tried to present him as a competent GM. You could also argue that given how he sees the real world he might struggle with the basic concept of metagaming and why people don't like it. I'm sure he at some point read that he was supposed to be impartial and went a little too far with it. Again, it's totally in line with his character.
>>47990838
>using a pool cue as a wand
I didn't know giants posted on this site
>>47962039
>Watches mainstream media
Fucking why?!
>>47962168
What is this? looks funni
I think the IT crowd is pretty funny
Everything else seems like cancer in a handbag though. I think pushing nerd culture into the mainstream is not a good idea as it encourages companies to simplify shit to the point its not fun anymore (they did it with 'redneck' culture and now I'm surrounded with faggots in camo and cowboy hats) however I also think that getting some of the games and information out there to other groups is good because it brings in new players. And with videogames around and people moving away from the games due to a number of issues, i think we need the occasional boost of people
Once the faggots get bored and move on to the next "big cultural movement TV show" then we will be left with people genuinely interested in the games. And I like that
I liked this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=137Ei0C3Vdg
>>47991847
>>nerd-blackface
>I think this metaphor is pretty apt if you remain lucid while using it.
True, but that's like saying it's safe to jump off a skyscraper if you do it right.
Most people don't, they won't, and recommending they can is a bad idea.
>>47991898
>I get what you're saying but the main difference is that people generally weren't lynched in the street or enslaved for playing D&D
>>47992019
>Not him, but that's clearly not the point here
Actually, that's exactly the point.
Referring to it as "nerd blackface" puts mocking nerds on the same level as systemic racial oppression.
It ascribes far too much weight and importance to television comedians poking fun at others who like a hobby.
See also:
>>47992078
>Yeah, racism is fucked up on an order of magnitude much higher than the social prejudice nerds have to deal with
>>47994884
>A Black person is Black because of biology.
While an exaggerated metaphor can be useful to illustrate a point, referring to double parking as "raping the parking laws" is laughable.
I will continue to mock anyone who responds to a sitcom making fun of a hobby with "gravitas".
>>47997024
>it ascribes far too much weight and importance to television comedians poking fun at others who like a hobby.
I think you may be missing the point. The joke isn't merely that people that play a specific game are weird, its not even that people who play a specific type of game is weird, its that anybody in a given sub-culture is weird, and in some cases, dangerous.
If you can't see the parallels, you aren't looking hard enough, or you are willfully ignoring them.
It wasn't long ago when it was socially acceptable to shun or even inflict violence on people for being part of that culture or even being close to someone who was.
I'm not against people making jokes about me or people like me, if you can't laugh at yourself, you're in no place to laugh at others, but these are not jokes about those people. These are jokes that invent a culture, make fun of these invented people, and then claim that an actual culture is actually this invented nonsense. One of my favorite comedians once said
>There are two reasons I don't do jokes about the muslims: A) I don't know a fucking thing about the muslims, and B) Neither do you
Which I feel sums up the situation quite nicely. If you watch a comedian who is actually part of the cultures, such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8X35qTMQ0EI know this is /v/'s realm, not /tg/, but close enough
You can see this is cuttingly funny, because he's joking about something he clearly understands, and not because he's pulled shit out of his ass.
>>47974575
>the only portrayal of a game I've thought the writers actually played/gave a shit
Didn't get that with The Gamers, The Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising, or even Freaks and Geeks?
>>47972984
see for yourself anon
https://twitter.com/matthewperry/status/1812052650
>>47987098
You should watch Zero Charisma.
>>47997239
>If you can't see the parallels, you aren't looking hard enough, or you are willfully ignoring them.
I see the parallels just fine.
But the the first floor and top floor of a skyscraper are parallel, that doesn't mean that you respond to stepping off each one the same way.
There is a similar history of violent oppression too, but a school bully is not the same as a lynch mob, no matter how long you talk about it.
>These are jokes that invent a culture, make fun of these invented people, and then claim that an actual culture is actually this invented nonsense.
See, what you're talking about here is ignorant, shitty comedy.
Which again, is no different than most sitcoms. Singling out only the ones that target one's own group as being bad is laughably transparent.
I will continue to mock those that do that.
>>47998375
>Singling out only the ones that target one's own group as being bad is laughably transparent.
Correct, but some of these would be defended otherwise. You would be hard-pressed to find someone who identifies as a non-racist defending a sitcom which openly mocks ethnic minorities while its quite common to see people defending ones that openly mock "nerd culture". Neither are defensible, and claiming that one group shouldn't complain the because the other has it worse is not an argument.
I would love to see more comedy that takes a satirical tone with this kind of culture, if the writers actually knew what they were talking about instead of just relying on "LOL rolling dice, how weird, right?"
>>47969085
Dude, the Gamers nailed what it's like, because they actually play. And Dorkness Rising is fucking god-tier TTRPG humor.
>>47965834
Why are these nude men trying to murder each other?
>>47966525
People hate BBT but love IT Crowd. Why? I don't know BBT super well, is it just even more unsympathetic in mockery or what?
>>47998612
My point, which you seem to missing, is that if you want bad sitcoms to stop making ignorant, shitty jokes, you should say that.
Saying that you want bad sitcoms to stop making ignorant, shitty jokes about THIS group makes you seem like a cluelessly self-centered twat.
If you compound that by earnestly comparing a sitcom telling jokes to racist hate crimes, you seem like a cluelessly self-centered twat of a faggot who needs their vagina kicked so hard that your ovaries retract, metaphorically speaking.
Defending against ignorant prejudice by only defending your specific group is like supporting human equality with radical feminism.
>>47964986
That's not metagaming. That's common sense. Why would you go into a dungeon or anywhere else after a quick peek all "He saw nothing so let's just stroll on into this obviously empty dungeon backwards blindfolded with our defenses lowered."
>>47999199
In short, like anon said above, they created cartoonish caricatures of nerd culture that don't exist, and then make ignorant jokes about that culture as if it were the real thing.
As for me? I like cartoons, so I don't mind.
>>47999251
It's metagaming, because the characters don't know that the DM asked for someone to check and see if they saw anything. In character, it would be "McRogue checks inside the hallway, he sees nothing that looks dangerous, so he proceeds cautiously, checking for traps, as it is an unfamiliar, possibly dangerous area"
MeatShield would NOT go in first in that situation.
retarded, but i don't lose any sleep over it
anyone in a 'subculture' or similar knows that normies are idiots and popular media is braindead by-committee garbage
>>47966906
>movies and cartoons dont need to be realistic
>go to the cinema to watch maze runner
>they leave the maze and find a place with dead bodies
>monitor turn on and a recorded video of woman at the room they are at the moment, start to congratulate them for what they did. At this moment some guys with gun enter the room and start to shoot at everyone there.
>while watching the movie I think "wut, the shooters found the place, precisely at the specific moment they were congratulating the maze runner kids?"
>some guys with guns enter the room and tell to the kids leave with them almost at the moment the video ends
> "WTF is this bullshit?"
>Then think "hey its just a movie, they dont need to be realistic."
>after some seconds or minutes we discover the video was fake and the shooters that rescued the kids were part of the plan.
So, my question is, are movies or cartoons suposed to be realistic or not?
>>47999387
Like the lady said:
>not 100%
Do you have any idea how much paperwork cops do?
>Go Calculon! Do that tedious paperwork! (Hand me the popcorn.)
>>47999206
You and I are saying the exact same thing, that neither is okay and both need to stop, but you seem to be saying that you can ignore one because the other is worse, and I am saying that's horseshit.
But hey, go on defacing your own credibility by resorting to calls for oddly specific violence. I think I saw that /d/ thread, shouldn't you be heading back?
>>47991549
That's not a good analogy, anon. He wasn't playing with more skilled players, he was playing with dickheads who sucked all the fun out of the game.
>>47962039
don't really care it keeps the normies out
>>47999791
>You and I are saying the exact same thing, that neither is okay and both need to stop
Okay
>but you seem to be saying that you can ignore one because the other is worse, and I am saying that's horseshit.
No, you illiterate.
First, we need to clarify what you were referring to when you said, “one because the other is worse”.
If you are referring to bad comedy that makes fun of nerds and racist hate crimes, one is definitely worse than the other, and you can either endure some oddly specific violence or >>>/pol/
If you are referring to bad comedy that makes fun of nerds and bad comedy that makes fun of a race or religion, then yes, one is not worse than the other. (Although anon is right in that you can’t choose your race)
As to my point, I am saying that calling out only one for being shit, be it nerd-blackface or just blackface, is telegraphing your bias and essentially shouting, “I only think ignorant, shitty comedy is bad when it makes fun of me!”
Just because other people are doing the same thing by only calling out ignorant, shitty racist humor doesn’t mean it’s okay for you to only defend your nerds since the races are already being defended.
One being worse than the other never enters into it.
Bad comedy that propagates ignorant bias is bad and should be stopped.
But trying to elevate the issue of bad comedy to the level of race crimes is better comedy than most sitcoms produce.
I will continue to mock those that do that.
>I think I saw that /d/ thread, shouldn't you be heading back?
>Implying I need the other boards.Bazinga!
>>47999791
Actually, he's saying that answering the question you were asked makes you look (to him) like a self-obsessed egomaniac who only cares about himself and cares nothing for any other group because addressing one specific problem is an insult to all other problems.
A more charitable person would assume we're talking about the media portrayal of tabletop games (as opposed to everything ever) because that's specifically what the OP mentioned, or because people were specifically making excuses for it, or because this is the tabletop gaming board so conversation would naturally lead there, or because that's just what we happen to be talking about here. Answers like that wouldn't suit his purposes, though, so they tend to be either unmentioned or ignored.
>>47998375
> But the the first floor and top floor of a skyscraper are parallel, that doesn't mean that you respond to stepping off each one the same way. There is a similar history of violent oppression too, but a school bully is not the same as a lynch mob, no matter how long you talk about it.
You are talking about mass-media. I.e. stuff that gets seen be tens of millions of people. Anon, I don't think we're on first floor anymore.
>>47999206
> Saying that you want bad sitcoms to stop making ignorant, shitty jokes about THIS group makes you seem like a cluelessly self-centered twat.
> Defending against ignorant prejudice by only defending your specific group is like supporting human equality with radical feminism.
Yep. That's a face-punching offense right here.
People aren't that retarded, you know. If you have a problem with something you actually are allowed to deal with the problem without dealing with every other single problem in the universe. If someone tries to stop you, beause you must also solve every other problem - he is being deliberately malevolent towards you and needs to be dealt with the hard way.
But - hey! It's the internetz! You can get away with anything, yes? Lucky day for you, anon. Unless, of course, you'd never dare to say something like this face-to-face. Then it's business as usual.
>People aren't that retarded, you know.
[citation needed}
But let’s move on.
>>48002683
>>48003565
For fuck’s sake, I’m not saying you can’t complain about bad media portrayal of ttrpg without talking about “everything ever” or “every other single problem in the universe”
Just address the actual issue, not just how it affects your little subset.
>Defending against ignorant prejudice by only defending your specific group is like supporting human equality with radical feminism.
I stand by this. Although I admit it’s intentionally inflammatory.
Don’t stand up for black rights, nerd rights, women’s rights, or any of that partisan shit.
Stand up for being decent to people.
Stand up for not taking advantage of people.
Stand up for stopping cruelty to people.
Stand up for people’s rights.
Stand up for people.
As for me and anon, it would be one thing if anon had responded to OP by saying, “Media portrayals of tabletop games is often done with ignorant, shitty comedy.”
And I responded by saying, “Well, it does that in portraying almost everything, so you’re a self-centered douche.”
That would make me a dick.
But that shit didn’t happen.
What actually happened is:
I said, “The term nerd-blackface ascribes far too much weight and importance to television comedians poking fun at others who like a hobby”
This is because “Blackface” has centuries of murderous oppression attached to it including lynch mobs and “nerd-blackface” has decades of schoolyard violence attached to it including bullying.
I also said that if you single out the parts of bad tv that offend you and ignore all the other ignorant, shitty comedy, it makes you look like you only care about your issues. Which is true.
Then I was disagreed with, poorly.
Here’s an example of the myopic singling out: You know how /tg/ bitches about how the nerds on TBBT are unrealistic caricatures and mocked, offending a whole culture? How is Howard’s mother any different?
>>48003907
> Just address the actual issue, not just how it affects your little subset.
The actual issue of people being dicks to other people?
And we need to limit our disapproval only to this sufficiently vague description (i.e. sufficiently impossible to address), and never point out specific cases of people being dicks, because its unfair to other people who got offended by something else?
>People are playing DnD knockoff on tv
>"I roll to attack the ogre!"
>throws all the fucking dice
>endless d10s flow from his fingers
>"You miss! You take..."
>Pan behind the DM screen
>DM rolls more dice than the player
>"...5 damage!"
I dislike it
>>48004056
>>Just address the actual issue, not just how it affects your little subset.
>The actual issue of people being dicks to other people?
Try, the actual issue of tv writers writing bad sitcoms with ignorant, shitty comedy.
>And we need to limit our disapproval only to this sufficiently vague description (i.e. sufficiently impossible to address), and never point out specific cases of people being dicks,
Point them out, but frame them within the greater issue.
When tv writers write bad sitcoms with ignorant, shitty comedy about nerds, the problem is not the “about nerds” part. So, don’t fixate on it like a child whose favorite toy just broke.
The problem is bad writing, cite specific gripes about the nerd humor, but frame it under the bad writing.
And don’t frame it as an orchestrated attack on your culture, or I will laugh at you.
>because its unfair to other people who got offended by something else?
Whether or not it’s fair to others has nothing to do with it.
>>47962168
What is this show?
>>47962039
230 posts in and nobody has mentioned this yet.
I am dissapointed.
>>48004423
>>48003907
>How is Howard’s mother any different?
She's a minor, poorly written, one dimensional character, in contrast to the primary cast which are poorly written, one dimensional characters. It's a question of focus, and not mine, but the show writers.
A show which focused primarily upon angry, elderly Jewish women and their antics, and was written equally ignorantly and offensively, would be a bad thing as well. The difference is that rather than having people often defend the show because they don't understand the offense, people would be more likely to attack the show for its apparent viewpoint. So called nerd culture doesn't have defense groups or a population willing to attack the willfully ignorant, other cultures do.
People choose to make comment here because its relevant to the people here.
>>48004407
Community, season 2, episode 14
But don't get your hopes up. This guy is an exception and he gets killed early.His character.
>>48004423
That's but a minor blip on a radar of mass-media.
>>47991898
who cares.
you can call someone a grammar nazi but no one has ever been put in a concentration camp because he made grammatical errors
>>48004701
> no one has ever been put in a concentration camp because he made grammatical errors
> Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth:
> for he could not frame to pronounce it right.
> Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan:
> and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shibboleths
>>48004582
You make good points.
I stand by my position regarding how people defend it.
I don’t have an issue with anons stating that they hate TBBT.
I don’t even have an issue with anons stating that they hate TBBT because they don’t like it when nerds get made fun of, because they are at least owning their bias.
I have an issue with anons stating that they hate TBBT because of a, b, and c, which are found in most every sitcom. They are hating sitcom writing and attributing it to TBBT because nerds.
It’s like volunteering that you hate pistachio ice cream because it’s cold in a forum about legumes.
>>48004701
I am not the anon you’re responding to, but this is true.
If an anon uses the term “nerd-blackface”, I laugh at them, and they respond with anything resembling acknowledgement that the term is a touch of an exaggeration: Fair enough, my bad, party on.
If an anon uses the term “nerd-blackface”, I laugh at them, and they respond with a “This is serious business” explanation: Hold on, let me laugh harder.
>>48004787
Never mind, apparently it’s not true.
>>48004787
He's still technically correct.
>>48004803
>It’s like volunteering that you hate pistachio ice cream because it’s cold in a forum about legumes.
But in this case, its a forum about nuts, in the subforum regarding traiditonal nuts and ice cream, so the comment that one dislikes pistachio ice cream due to it being cold is both valid and on topic.
>>47994884
I actually disagree a bit. Being attracted to nerdy things and bored with things like sports, is just a less obvious fact you are born with.
I'm sure I am not in the minority when I say that I tried to fight being a nerd and force interests that my parent's and kids my age had instead. With no real success and lots of unhappiness.
>>48004837
> trying to use logic
He is a troll.Maybe even virt.
>>48004837
>But in this case, its a forum about nuts, in the subforum regarding traiditonal nuts and ice cream,
(You successfully navigated around the setup for my joke about the TBBT writers not knowing a nut from a legume)
>so the comment that one dislikes pistachio ice cream due to it being cold is both valid and on topic.
That may be, but it remains disingenuous to imply that coldness is an aspect only found in pistachio ice cream even when other ice creams have been brought up.
One also wonders why someone who hates cold food would even post in a thread about nuts and ice cream and then only mention pistachio.
Then the thread gets derailed onto an off-topic argument over whether they’re called sprinkles or jimmies.
>>48004906
I am not trolling, just maintaining my position.
I’ll prove it. Read above, and you’ll see that I’ve acknowledged that anons that hate TBBT for being a sitcom are posting validly and are usually only implying, not outright stating, that other sitcoms don’t suffer the same issue.
I just think anons posting angrily over how cold pistachio ice cream is idiotic and funny.This is not the boogeyman you are looking for, move along.(wait, they *were* the droids they were looking for, bad reference. I have no strong feelings regarding Dungeon World?)
>>48005064
>Then the thread gets derailed onto an off-topic argument over whether they’re called sprinkles or jimmies.
As long as they stay away from my bounce house.
>>47962039
Nerd culture becoming a fashionable 'in' thing is like these women getting pink guns and treating them like fashion accessories in murka, it needs to be accidentally shot in the heart on a hunting trip and left in the woods
Surprisingly killings nerd rant from the borderlands 2 dlc sums up some of my rage pretty nicely
>>47962080
I have no contact with the big bang theory.
What's wrong with it?
>>48005268
>What's wrong with it?
Standard sitcom fare.
Obvious humor with telegraphed jokes.
Ridiculous, one dimensional characters in situations that would never happen, like a guy developing a robotic arm to be used on the space shuttle using it to give him a hand-job and it getting stuck about to twist it like a screwdriver.
And nearly no knowledge of the material being humorized.
I don't.
>>47999387
There I s a big difference between unrealistic and just plain shit.
Dark City was unrealistic but it was good.
Maze Runner was unrealistic and stupid. As was Divergent.
>>48004423
80s is over and that old poisonous hate monger is known to very few outside /tg/ now.
He is now more known as a source of derision, his customer base treating his hate filled comics as a comedy whist he in ignorance continues to preach his ignorance unaware that he is the brain damaged court jester and we laugh at him in harsh but not undeserved mockery.
>>47964730
Wow, amazing. Tell me more.
>>48005912
Also, laugh tracks that last way too long and halt the dialogues all the time.
>>48006469
Is this your own opinion from seeing the show, or based on watching the edit with the laugh track removed?
Because pausing for silence is always awkward, regardless how many extra seconds it goes on for.
Remember how in E.T. Eliot was trying to write a character sheet while his brother and brother's friends were giving him a hard time about wanting to join their game?
The original ending they planned would have had Eliot DMing their next game.
>>48006545
you make a great point.
>>48006545
Both.
I remember watching some 80s~90s sitcom where the laugh track's volume got a bit lower so the show would go on, I don't understand why they don't do that in TBBT instead of having their actors freeze with dumb faces on.
