Welcome everyone, new and old players alike! This is Tundra civ, a civ thread series in a fictional, non-fantasy setting where you play as the rulers of the White Republic, a nation in a world similar to our own.
Check out the pastebin for story, technologies, stats etc (updating it right now)
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And an archive of previous threads if you want to skim through some of them.
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.tg/subject/Civ/username/Civ%20bulgar/page/1/
Previously on Tundra civ:
>>47855928
Days of peace are upon us once more after the end of the Second World War. We have rebuilt our ruined cities and strengthened our economy and at last, the dream of many whites has come true - our nation is the first to land an astronaut on the barren moon!That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind!
>Population:151 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 500 000 Eyerdar 14 000 000 Veita 15 200 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:9/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:8/10
>Political stability:9/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47892336
>G.Research & Development
a step isn't enough!
Good evening guys!
Won't be able to stick around unfortunately, got stuff happening and such.
>>47892336
>G.Research & Development
Satelites, space stations, moonbase, alien babes. We're gonna have it all.
With more confidence in the RSEA's abilities, the government has allocated more funds for space exploration.
What should we focus our efforts on now?
A.Further space flight development, moon missions, etc.
B.Building and sending satellites into orbit
C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation
>>47892808
>C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation
>>47892808
>C.Development of long-term extraterestrial habitation
or at least space habitation.
An ISS style space station would be a start.
We'll aim for the most ambitious possible project - the establishment of a space station!
Give me one 1d100 roll
Rolled 31 (1d100)
>>47893504
is ambition a luxury we can afford?
let's find out!
>>47893512
>is ambition a luxury we can afford?
no
>>47893512
The project of establishing a space station has been set as the long-term goal of the RSEA for the coming 15 years. Current technological and financial limitations are setting us back - it is work that will take many years.
>Population:152 500 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 700 000 Eyerdar 14 100 000 Veita 15 300 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:9/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:8/10
>Political stability:8/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47893512
>31
Terrorist hijack?
>>47893555
>>B.Culture & Religion
>>47893555
>B.Culture & Religion
>>47893555
>F.Government & Laws
Let's modernize our gorvenemental infrastructure a bit, we won the race to the moon but let's see if we can win a race to the computer age by arming our govenemental institution with supercomputer for data analisys!
Could lead to interesting developpements if we focus on tech races.
>>47893574
>>47893578
B it is
A.Sports
B.Arts
C.Propaganda
D.Religion
E.Education
F.Events/other
>>47893612
>E.Education
>>47893612
>D.Religion
>>47893612
>E.Education
it was one of the promises of the other candidate.
I'm sure he'll be ok with fulfilling it and winning the opposition.
Plus with the ever changing world of technology we need the school to keep up the pace.
Educational reform! Submitted as a proposal by Councilman and former candidate for Chancellor, Leir Uppon, Council, Congress and the Chancellor will now negotiate on the details of the proposed reforms.
The educational system in the White Republic is considered the best in the world and has a long, well-established tradition with three phases -mandatory primary education until the age of 13 and free secondary education till 18. Primary education is the same across the board in state and temple schools, while secondary branches out into more specialised paths - general academic, vocational and professional varieties. Tertiary education is found in universities, colleges and academies - a variety of scholarships and stipends from state and church programs exist.
Choose as many propositions as you want.
A.Allow private schools and scholarships that follow the basic parameters of state education
B.Make secondary education mandatory
C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
D.Put a larger focus on STEM and professional education
E.Abolish temple-schools
F.No drastic changes, just focus on modernising the existing educational system
G.Other
>>47893891
>C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
>>47893891
>C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
Also if we could modernize by spending a part of our budget and reserve to modernize school infrastructures as well, it would perfect.
>>47893891
B.Make secondary education mandatory
Note:
Choose as many propositions as you want.
>>47894096
In that case:
>A.Allow private schools and scholarships that follow the basic parameters of state education
>B.Make secondary education mandatory
>C.Make state-owned tertiary education "free"(payed for by taxes)
>>47894007
That's not a good idea because it would make young people lose the flexibility of being able to learn a trade from their early life.
As an example, somebody that clearly isn't fit for studies can still quit secondary education and instead work as a craftsman or as an industry worker thus learning the in outs of the job early and therefore having an easier time getting promotions later.
my only concern would be that we could actually raise primary education to up to 15.
Just two more years and then secondary education up to 20 years.
Of course doing this would cause us to offer more specialized and diverse programs but if we have the infrastructure to back it up it should be even better.
>>47894096
ok then i add
my previous proposition
>G. go for a more specialized and diverse program depending on specialization, also raise primary to up to 15 and secondary to up to 20.
>>47894007
changed to >>47894004>>47894145
>>47893891
I say A C and D, But don't make C free, make it cheaper, Like fund only half or 3 quarters of Tuition.
>>47894285
remenber that's it free only if you succeed the secondary educations tests.
>>47894380
Fair, but if at least half is paid for, then you should be fine to pay for the other half, and if you did really well, scholarships exist.
>>47894285
I support this
And let them have it for free if they do very well.
The compromise that was reached was to allow private schools and stipends, tax-paid tertiary education and making mandatory primary education until the age of 15 and to make secondary education more varied, lasting between 3 and 5 years and with a more modern focus - electricians, mechanics and such are more valuable than blacksmiths and potters nowadays.
Added a new tab to the stats - state of the Treasury - the new reform will take quite a bit of money and the costs will likely continue to rise over the next years as university attendance increases.
>Population:155 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 900 000 Eyerdar 14 200 000 Veita 15 400 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:9/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:8/10
>Treasury:5/10
>Political stability:8/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47894452
>>A.Improve economy
>>47894452
A Improve Economy
>>47894452
>A.Improve economy
time to fill the piggy bank!
We've gone into a deficit once again and have just started borrowing money to cover our expenditure.
What shall we do?
Major sources of revenue are income tax, sales taxes, tariffs and various other taxes on certain goods or transactions.
Major spending sources are:
>National defence(30%, recently cut down from over 60% during the war and 45 % before the war)
>Healthcare(all paid for by the government, 20% of the budget)
>Science spending(20%)
>Education(8% and rising)
>Social programs(8%)
>Administartion(2%)
>Other national programs-transportation(12%)
A.Raise taxes
B.Cut military spending
C.Reduce healthcare spending
D.Cut down on social spending and other programs
E.Allow private enterprise in the spheres of transportation, healthcare, education, pensions etc.
F.Borrow money as needed and continue funding more government as needed, we'll start making more revenue
>>47894839
A.
JUST ENOUGH To cover costs though.
>>47894839
E and F
>>47894839
>E.Allow private enterprise in the spheres of transportation, healthcare, education, pensions etc.
>>47894839
Wait we're in deficit?
And we can't fucking make money from our own national entreprises?
fuck dude.
>F Borrow money
>G Invest money
it's better than straigh up losing all our legal monopolies and fuck our population.
>>47894923
Government spending is a hell of a drug. Space exploration and free education has to be paid by someone, you know.
>>47894954
Wait we're not making profit from our industry in general?
Don't ou Nation own like Oil wells and fucking civil industry?
Didn't we rythm the industry with our entreprises and make mad moonies from them?
What happened?
Did our competitor manage to cross the technology and educational gap?
>>47894990
Ah, I listed the taxes.
Nationalised revenue is also a major provider of funds, but we've started spending A LOT of money and our taxes are still fairly low thanks to those national enterprises - thats why possible paths to take are to privatize and reduce spending, socialise and increase taxes or borrow and invest and start spending more wisely.
Space exploration and free education and healthcare come at a great price. The deficit isn't too great, but it's growing right now.
>>47894839
E, F
G Invest money
>>47894889
changed to A and E
>>47895051
Then privatization is very dumb since it's the only thing that keep away high taxes.
Next turn we should probably try to use diplomacy to prepare trade deals and such to get our economy back on the road.
>>47895092
CHANGED TO just A
A, E and F
We've raised taxes by a bit and allowed private enterprise into spheres that we don't directly profit on(such as healthcare, retirement funds and education) while keeping up our monopolies.
Keep in mind that every action costs us tax Camarks - spend money to make money.
>Population:155 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 13 900 000 Eyerdar 14 200 000 Veita 15 400 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:8/10
>Manufacturing:8/10
>Trade and services:8/10
>Treasury:7/10
>Political stability:8/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47895160
>H.Diplomacy & War
Negotiate trade deals and try to increase our national entreprises benefits in other nations.
>>47895160
H
Let's remake the trade deals to help our economy.
One of Chancellor Numbar's main campaign promises was getting better trade deals and improving our trade balance with other countries - trade is perhaps the only major issue in which the Chancellor interacts with other nations, as it is the President's duty to handle diplomacy, war and external matters.
Give me 3 rolls and the average will determine our NEGOTIATION
Rolled 69 (1d100)
>>47895412
let's hope the chink accept to not tax our national entreprises.
Rolled 19 (1d100)
>>47895412
Rolled 7 (1d100)
>>47895412
>>47895465
>>47895480
31,6
The governments of the Sunset Alliance and Kaichou Empire have formed a joint Prosperity League, which negotiates free trade agreements and eased travel between the two nations. Together they've been tough on negotiating with us and have promised to match us tariff for tariff, risking a "trade war" in the event that we make any altercations to our current trade agreements. They've given us one offer - we can join the Prosperity League, which will allow for free trade between the Axis nations.
A.Attempt to renegotiate again(1 roll will decide the outcome)
B.Put diplomatic pressure on them, do whatever it takes to get a better deal
C.Accept their proposal
D.Leave things as they are, don't make it any harder on us
E.Other
>>47895550
Well we have some options since we're the most powerful nation in the world.
1. Threats with our military
2. Stop trade deal s all together causing lots more harmed to other countries.
3. Increase tariffs so much they have to remake their trade deals
4. Stop the chinks from sending money back to SA.
We have all the leverage here boys, like the United States. We just have to use it.
>>47895597
B
Guys even if it comes to a tradewar they be hurting themselves more than us. So it in their best interests.
>>47895597
>A.Attempt to renegotiate again(1 roll will decide the outcome)
THE MAD MAN IS GOING FOR IT
>>47895597
>B.Put diplomatic pressure on them, do whatever it takes to get a better deal
Rolled 3 (1d6)
A would've had one of you voting, but since it's B, I'll do the rolling
1-Damage to our economy and relations
2-Damage to relations, not much help to our economy
3-Not much changes
4-Better economy, worsened relations
5-Better economy
6-Great economy, we gain respect
We've raised tariffs on motor vehicles, to which the answer was a higher export tariff on copper from the SA - one of the main products we import from there. Some negotiations followed in the coming months and overall things are back to where we started.
>Population:156 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 000 000 Eyerdar 14 300 000 Veita 15 400 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:8/10
>Manufacturing:8/10
>Trade and services:8/10
>Treasury:7/10
>Political stability:8/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47895865
G
Let's start mining in space, I've heard their copper in the moon.
>>47895865
>G.Research & Development
let's develop computing.
you'd thing that with Thousands of dead robots around we'd actually spend time stduying how they worked.
>>47895865
G.
Remember guys, the more we invest into Research, the worse our Treasury will become.
>>47895979
We can counter this by researching fields of reasearchs with return on investement like computing.
R&D time
PICK ONE OR TWO(will cost more Camarks)
A.Industrial tech & Productivity(Construction, Machinery, Automation etc.)
B.Power generation(nuclear and others)
C.Transportation
D.Computing
E.Space satellites
F.Military tech
G.Other
>>47896009
A and D
>>47896009
>B.Power generation(nuclear and others)
>D.Computing
we have to keep a nuclear edge and computing is just the biggest next big thing field since we have microchips.
In 10 years we'll see the start of the personal computer age.
>>47896009
>A.Industrial tech & Productivity(Construction, Machinery, Automation etc.)
Rolled 85, 78 = 163 (2d100)
A&D
Personal computers that can be put on the top of a desk are now a thing! Computing technology advances greatly, the military has developed an information-sharing network that can transmit data from one device to another - it is currently a technology kept in secret, code name "The Web".
From studying the automatons we've built our first robots! The study and application of robotics is only just beginning to yield practical results, but holds great potential - it will likely take decades until we can fully replicate the machines we once fought.
2 rolls now - internal and external development
>>47896459
Finally a good roll
>>47896459
>85
looks like Education is going well.
>78
and our trade agreements didn't fuck us.
i'm not used to this amount of luck
Chancellor Numbar had a rough time winning re-election in 1208, but in his second term he seems to be doing better - the economy is booming as previous investments have begun to pay off, lowered living costs and increased wages along with a happier population has led to a baby boom and international relationships have cooled down.
The rebuilding of Victory City is one of the big beauties of the 00's - a testiment to the strength of our resolves, the city stands once more as a hub of industry, commerece, culture and science. Great years for the White Republic!
>Population:160 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 500 000 Eyerdar 14 600 000 Veita 15 700 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:8/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:9/10
>Treasury:8/10
>Political stability:9/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47896643
>D.Improve military
let's keep our fighting force ready, the best swords are not forged at war when the production is rushed.
>>47896643
G
Let's go into space this time. Now that economy is doing well.
>>47896643
I'm going to change my vote>>47896683 to D since we need to have a strong army for anything that can happen
>>47896643
>E.Improve navy
>D.Improve military
>>47896643
>G.Research & Development
We're going into space.
>Military
40 000 rangers
30 000 Maargard
50 000 Stormborn
30 00 Blitzkriegers
1600 tanks
500 000 Infantry
1500 combat aircraft
Artillery corps
Tech-wise we'rearound 1976 in military terms
The military has seen some cut-backs after the war.
Pick one or two areas to improve upon
A.Numbers - we can support more acting-duty personnel now
B.Light armament(anything you can carry and operate yourself)
C.Heavy armament(artillery, tanks etc.)
D.Airforce
E.Special forces
F.Military command, logistics, officers
G.Other
>>47897014
>B.Light armament(anything you can carry and operate yourself)
>E.Special forces
We're not going to war any time soon but special forces might be needed for some missions.
>>47897014
F and E
>>47897014
F and D, really we can't afford lots of increases.
>>47897014
>E.Special forces
>F.Military command, logistics, officers
F & E
We've focused on quality over quantity, improving the training of our troops and officers, logistics, special forces and having the best equipment.We've improved our elemental orders, rangers and paratroopers.
For the 10-year anniversary of the Metal War's end, a great monument was built in Crossfort, the birthplace of General Malhus. Monuments have been built in all cities that were damaged or destroyed as well as such that are dedicated to certain renowned regiments and fighting groups, like Skyfather Company.
1209 ends and a new decade is coming.
>Population:162 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 14 700 000 Eyerdar 14 800 000 Veita 15 900 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:8/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:9/10
>Treasury:8/10
>Political stability:9/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47897331
>G.Research & Development
we've waited enough let's rush up the space station!
>>47897331
>>E.Improve navy
>>47897331
G
Let's get a space station in orbit.
>>47897331
>G.Research & Development
Muh moonbase
>>47897466
>>47897383
Navy is actually pretty useless in our universe now that we're at peace.
since there's no african/asiatic pirates fucks, we don't even need to guard trade routes that much.
R&D time
One or two picks
A.Power generation
B.Transportation
C.Chemistry, medicine & other civic techs
D.Set up space satellites
E.Work on a space station
>>47897496
D and E
>>47897496
>E.Work on a space station
>>47897496
>D
>E
full space
>>47897496
C.Chemistry, medicine & other civic techs
D.Set up space satellites
>>47897496
>E.Work on a space station
>>47897496
>C
D
D and E
We've set up many artificial sattelites over the years - some for scientific purposes, other for military purposes and now for commercial purposes - television across the globe!
Work continues on the establishment of a scientific space station - the question is, will we do it alone, or will we reach out to our allies to make this difficult task more accomplishable?
A.We work alone
B.Speak with the SA and KE about it
C.Let this be the start of a global alliance - invite all nations into the initiative!
>>47897641
>B.Speak with the SA and KE about it
It's a big investement and a space station is ok to share, even a colony in between allies.
>>47897641
>A.We work alone
>>47897641
>B.
>>47897641
>B.Speak with the SA and KE about it
>>47897641
A we work alone
Space belong only to the white man
>>47897694
Working alone is stupid when you can work with allies.
We know SA and KE are never attacking us because we fought together in the darkest nights and the most ruthless battles.
I personally have no problem with reasonably sharing science with allies to gain some.
It's like in actual civilisation games, at some point you have to make research sharing to get an edge on your common enemies.
>>47897641
>A. We work alone
Work has begun on the creation of the Axis Space Station! It will take several years before it can be launched in low orbit, plans are to rotate crews every few months and have various modules for different areas of study.
>Population:164 000 000 (79% white, 15 % chink,1%hibibi, 4%darkskin,1% pacharnati)
>Colonials: 15 000 000 Eyerdar 15 000 000 Veita 16 000 000 Ocras
>Agriculture:9/10
>Resources:7/10
>Manufacturing:9/10
>Trade and services:9/10
>Treasury:8/10
>Political stability:9/10
>A.Improve economy
>B.Culture & Religion
>C.Construction
>D.Improve military
>E.Improve navy
>F.Government & Laws
>G.Research & Development
>H.Diplomacy & War
>>47897768
>H.Diplomacy & War
Increase the Axis Importance, make it an economical and technological alliance.
Share trade agreement ,allow easier student swapping and international research.
>>47897768
>>B.Culture & Religion
>>47897768
>A.Improve economy
>>47897755
The friend of today might be the enemy of tomorrow, you never know.
I just want to make sure we're the first to make contact with the inevitable aliens.
>>47897768
>C.Construction
>>47897768
B. Culture & Religion
>>47897836
If we do this it don't help is at all. It just bring them up to oir level. And they can be the enemy of tomorrow.
We should focus on better ourself, not help other countries while we get the bum end of the deal.
A.Religious organisation
B.Development of the arts
C.State propaganda
D.A new wonder
E.Sports & Events
F.Other
>>47897945
>A.Religious organisation
Charity for hospitals and cool stuff like that.
>>47897873
>The friend of today might be the enemy of tomorrow, you never know.
except we're no friend of today but friend of as long as we can remenber.
KE and SA never were at war against us.
They literally are best allies, the worst thing they did was getting heated over colonialism but we solved that issue diplomaticaly and i'm sure we can do it again.
>>47897924
International research does mean we give them fucking all our science.
It means we don't build Particle accelerators on our own spending more money on infrastructure that your neighboor have.
We share data, not analysis.
And student swapping would make us Brain drain them because quality of life in our Republic is better.
>>47897945
>A.Religious organisation
>>47897945
A. Religous organisation
>>47898010
>International research does mean
doesn't*
Anyway, should we connect to SA and KE if they have a web-like network?
I know it's mostly military but it could be useful for universities or trading data.
Also could be used to transfer intel about the NPU covertly.
Since this is the last decision of the thread, give some ideas on what to do with religious organisations. They handle worship and the upholding of morals and traditions and they take part in the education of our young ones.
>>47898120
If we could try to keep Religious institutions in colonial territories tied together and glorify the concept of unity of Mens within our nation.
Also push for religious institutions to fuse with Medical ones.
>>47898099
Having wed like network is a terrible idea if you think about it.
You also got to worry about hackers. Also traitors that could use the network to sell our secrets.
Also maybe the KE never declare war on us because the god emperor stop them. Maybe without the emperor the head guys will have other ideas.
>>47898244
well SA never had a God-Emperor and didn't attack us.
It's safe to assume Kaichous have a sense of honor strong enough to understand more than 700 years of loyality too.
i guess you're right about traitors but as long as the military network stay isolated from the general networks we shouldn't feel threatened with hackers.
So it's probably best to use it to transfer research data since if there's a traitor he could get the data even without the network if we shared it.
>>47898371
I still don't trust fully the SA or the KE and will never will. But they alright in the most part.
Also with the transfer of research data, it's still risky. I like to keep things pen and paper, maybe it slower but not just anyone can get access to them.
>>47898460
We don't have the internet do you realize this?
Pen and Paper is actually much riskier because you could intercept it more easily than a 1 time data transfer from one point to another an then directly print it.
It's literally expensive fax that we're to use.
And i assume that if you can get access to our data, you're a high profile person like the chief researcher or and university manager so a random student would only get his hand on the data his superior print for them.
There's a reason we stopped using pen and paper for administration nowadays.
It doesn't get lost.
It doesn't get stolen easily.
It can't get taken by anybody like it's just a piece of paper.
>>47898523
Well, if we're going to do this with data, we're going to have some heavy security.
Also their needs to be serious punishment for anyone that steal the data, be it foreign or domestic.
And if a country government were the ones in charge of this thief, than we need to go hard on them to let them know they fuck up.
>>47897945
MORE WONDERS
