4-attack dreadnoughts are Official Houserules - edition
>Rules databases
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>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
S10 confirmed, as expected.
As usual, let's start this general with some bingo
Praised be Johnny!!
>>47788198
Okay, maybe I'm not oldfagging hard enough, but whose Johnny and why should I give a fuck?
>>47788195
Fuck it, Free tile for today is now Games Workshop itself getting the rules wrong.
>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
>>47788190
We now have a precedent that if one piece of wargear grants +1 S and the other doubles, you apply +1 first because that's a "new profile."
>>47788219
Johnny is the mascot of the /wip/ board. He's a rogue trader marine that holds a bolter magazine up to his ear, presumably so that the magazine can whisper dark secrets to him. It's often captioned as such, with the bolter magazine inciting him to murder.
>>47788224
HA HA
TIME FOR 5A DEATH COMPANY DREADS
8A ON THE CHARGE
>>47788219
I made what is intended to be a thematic Samm-Hain Eldar list, though I'm not sure if it's too cheesy.
I went with shuriken weapons on the Windrider formation because I want to get milage out of the bonus rule, and I prefer Shuriken cannons to Scatterlasers.
I'm torn between Scatterlasers and Starcannons on the Hornets, Starcannons because I could uses some reliable anti heavy infantry/MC/light vehicle weapons (and to dodge the scatterlaser stigma) on the other hand, Scatter lasers come cheaper so i won't need to tear though the list to find to the extra 30 points (and there's something satisfying about the idea of 3 hornets blazing in and unleashing 32 shots of scatterlaser hell on the enemy flank/rear)
++ Eldar Craftworlds (1849pts) ++
+ Core (1199pts) +
Windrider Host
Farseer Skyrunner [The Spirit Stone of Anath'lan, Witchblade]
Vyper Squadron
3xVyper [Shuriken Cannon, Shuriken Cannon]
Warlock Skyrunner Conclave
4xWarlock with Singing Spear
6x Windrider w/ Twin-linked
3x Windrider w/ Shuriken Cannon
Windrider Warlock [Witchblade]
6x Windrider w/ Twin-linked
3x Windrider w/ Shuriken Cannon
Windrider Warlock [Witchblade]
6x Windrider w/ Twin-linked
3x Windrider w/ Shuriken Cannon
Windrider Warlock [Witchblade]
+ Auxiliary (650pts) +
Crimson Death
Crimson Hunter Exarch [2x Bright Lance]
2xCrimson Hunter [2x Bright Lance]
Hornet Swarm [FW]
3xHornet [2x Scatter Laser]
>>47788234
You're still confusing +1 and 1 point increase to stat line.
It isn't BODMAS, its not even in the order of operations, its just their new statline.
They don't go S4 + 1 for wargear x 2, it goes S5 x 2. They never stop being S5.
>>47788244
I remember when that honour was held by chaos lord rapedrill.
So now we know what happened to Commander Chenkov. He got promoted to Commissar Chenkov, and started leading scions with exactly the same tactics as he used with guardsmen.
>>47788289
A form of unending tide is nice for the IG, glad they got this.
>>47788224
Space Wolves Wulfen Edition was put up a few months ago, after C:SM and DA.
Why didn't we get the official update for A4 too...
I know any decent people will play "Roused to war" and that's cool, but I obsessively prefer something to be official, even if that is an autistic mindset.
>>47788224
They didn't get the rules "wrong", they failed to use an errata correctly. Not quite the same thing, though the result is the same.
>>47788255
As Death Company should be
>>47788244
TIL. Thanks!
>>47788256
Ah, that looks a lot better than the pixels in the OP image.
You guys think a mechanized Tau army would be fun? All infantry, skimmers, flyers and drones, no suits. For casual games obviously. I'm thinking of trying something like this.
>>47788268
Okay, so how do you determine which wargear changes the "base" statline, and which the "final" statline then?
>>47788324
Absolutely not.
>mfw I realise that I can build an entire Gladius Strike Force out of Betrayal at Calth if I just buy one more fast attack option
What's the best choice? I don't really like bikes and from what I hear, ASM are a waste of money in 7th.
>>47788323
it's a cute meme
>>47788324
go for it, it'll be less hated then suit spam but idk if it's viable. i fought some hammerheads in my last game but my foe got frustated with them because he couldn't kill my seeker chariot until turn 3 when i finally failed a 5++
>>47788224
What a bunch of faggots they are. Appalling ineptitude. I dont see how anyone but waac Tau, Eldar, and SM fags give them money.
>>47788378
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you actually do need assault marines in a gladius.
>>47788396
You do.
>>47788396
No, but you can.
>1 Assault Squad, Bike Squad, Attack Bike Squad, unit of Land Speeders or Centurion
Assault Squad
>Centurion
Assault Squad
Did that ever work?
I'm kind of lost, Battle brothers and detachments and all that thing.
If I want to make lets say Marines as my main army I would need HQ and 2 troops. That would be a combined arms? and in order to add lets say Imperial Guard. I would need 1 HQ and 1 Troop as an allied?
Or I'm missing something.
Always throught Tau could be fun as a mobile shooty force instead of a static gunline. Do Breachers make this possible, or are suits still the only way to do this?
>>47788224
Literally nothing wrong with this
>>47788424
Yeah you're right. 1 HQ 2 troops would have to be deployed as a combined arms detachment.
Any allied detachments need 1 HQ and 1 troop minimum.
>>47788378
Maybe a landspeeder?
Cool models and you can put two multimeltas into murder-range quick, or two heavy flamers.
>>47788424
I swear this should be our cover image, every single thread.
>>47788425
the closer you are the easier it is to get punched in the face. there's a few anons that chime in every now and again with success doing a sneaky non suit list
>>47788234
daily reminder that nobs on the charge with a klaw are still only str 9, and cant double out thunderwolves.
>>47788424
So you've got four kinds of detachments you can use:
>Combined Arms
>Allied
>Faction-Specific ("Decurions")
>Formation
You can use any combination of the above. The only limitation on this is that an Allied Detachment can't be your only detachment, can't have your Warlord in it, and can't be out of the same Codex as your Warlord. You can have your Warlord in any of the other detachment types.
If you have any units that aren't in a detachment, your army is "Unbound" and you lose the benefits of CADs and ADs, although you keep the benefits of Decurions and Formations.
>>47788425
>Always throught Tau could be fun as a mobile shooty force instead of a static gunline. Do Breachers make this possible, or are suits still the only way to do this?
Suits are the only way to do it well, Breachers are ridiculously short-ranged, yoru practicly have to BE on top of th eenemy unit to get any reliabl elkilling done.
The best way to use breachers as a mobile shooty force is stupidly enough to put them on the Tau moving gunline fortification, which doubles the range of their powerful shot.
>>47788481
>Cool models and you can put two multimeltas into murder-range quick
Hadn't even considered the possiblity of adding multimeltas. Thanks anon!
>>47788296
It's fucking weird that it's the elite units that get the ability. As someone who always fields at least one squad of conscripts and was dumb enough to buy the montka book for formations, this pisses me off.
>>47788303
>decent people
nice justification. I can just see you playing orks now with your bullshit wulfen and thunderwolves charging 42 inches turn one.
"come on, bro. If you dont let my dreads have as many attacks as yours and be better at everything else in every concievable way too, your being a douche."
fuck your dreadnaught and your shit. Enjoy 2A forever.
>>47788422
They're pretty brutal in a Land Raider. Pricey, though.
>>47788289
This is exactly what I was hoping for
Time for infinite melta!
>>47788234
Gifts of chaos
They modify the stat line just like thundercav
Chaos will finally have their day, all because the space yiffs couldn't stop yapping
>>47788561
Wait for guard codex update
Does anyone have the miniwargaming gorkamorka campaign rules?
>>47788594
they will just argue that its a boon, not wargear, and does not work like their special snowflake equipment does.
>>47788641
http://www.miniwargaming.com/gorkamorka
i literally just copy/pasted your request into google.
>>47788289
If used this formation would I use the IG codex for them or the scions codex?
Or are they the same in both? I really want to pick this started set up now.N-Not because it's powerful or a-anything, I'm not a WAAC fag!
Can someone please post all the new FAQ rulings?
>>47788704
Predicting "lol but i'm on phon :DDD"
>>47788522
>>47788481
>>47788457
Awesome I could finally use my Repentias for something.
Stormraven raining bondage girls into the enemy lines.
>>47788261
Honestly if you are taking anything other than pulsars on your hornets you're a mad man
Gonna start a Space Marine collection. My local meta is full of people who want to have fun so I'm thinking about abusing that byGoing full 5th Edition by deploying loads of tactical marines, devastators and assault marines to have fun with them
>>47788706
It's MT, but it doesn't really matter since you can take a formation from one faction and a CAD from another.
>>47788704
>pay money to get the rules
>>47788711
How new?
There are more than 50 pages of them in all.
>>47788724
Jesus fuck, didn't even notice those.
...Why are star cannons even an option?
Better in every way at same price.
>>47788729
You mad man
>>47788720
They can't assault after using Grav-Chute Insertion, because it uses the Deep Strike rule. The Stormraven has to enter Hover Mode to use the Assault Ramp.
>>47788706
Scions Codex.
Which means that, you may be able to upgrade the Commissar into a Lord Commissar since it's an upgrade to their wargear and statline instead of a different model.
>>47788720
I've got bad news friend...
>>47788749
If you have to pay money to get those rules, you might want to get an adblocker m8.
>>47788758
>How new?
The ones from >>47788224 onward, I guess. Is that not a new page?
>>47788730
>>47788781
I'm just asking because I don't have the scions codex which could be a set back but don't they have the relevant codex entries in the start collecting kit?
>>47788773
>>47788785
God fucking damn it. Any other Assault vehicle? Landraider Crusader? The one back from the Armageddon Codex
>>47788729
>Going full 5th Edition by deploying loads of tactical marines, devastators and assault marines to have fun with them
So a Gladius.
Welcome to the herd.
I was looking to buy some imperial guard models and does anyone know if plasma/melta guns come in any of the boxes besides the command squads.
>3 Centurion Devastators are 60 Euros
>>47788803
No.
Source: I own the IG Starter box.
>>47788813
LR's only yeah, enjoy paying more for the box then the chocolates.
>>47788565
You sound fun. Tons of friends and active social life I assume?
>>47788224
>your opponents can still say no
>>47788826
>Wanting Dev Cents
>Being cancer
>>47788781
Time to buy a bunch of those and run them all with Lord Commissars!
Hallelujah it's raining men!
>>47788863
I don't wanna grav spam to deal with heavily armored dudes.
>>47788803
The formation is in the Start Collecting box, not the Codex. That's why it's news.
>>47788813
Any Assault Vehicle or Open-Topped transport will let them Assault after disembarking. Your problem is with Deep Strike, not Assault Vehicle.
Also, I should point out that you can't start the game in a Battle Brother's transport. You have to start them separately on the table and then load up.
>>47788826
A single 35 point mek gun is 46$
>>47788887
And I hate it because they look beautiful.
>>47788883
>Dev Cents
>Not Grav Spam
>>47788224
>"until such a time they are updated"
>space wolves recently got an update
>still A2
>"we have no idea what we're doing so just house rule it LOL"
Why even bother paying for rulebooks.
I suppose I should be surprised that GW rule writers are stupid, lazy shits.
>>47788884
So a Stormraven could work. I want to make "Zoom" sounds when moving it, while "Broom" sounds with the Landraider are cool is not as fun.
The problem would be to have the Repentia wait for their ride.
>>47788931
>>47788224
And why didn't they officially errata it?
>>47788950
And to have them stand around a turn in enemy firing range before being allowed to assault.
>>47788931
Furries already get enough toys though, they don't need 4A dreads
>>47788887
Well, time for chinaman I guess because unless that thing is made of gold it is in no way in hell worth that.
>>47788959
Damn it. How the hell I can make use of the bloody bondage girls.
>>47788971
To use dreads they'd have to give up some of their best toys so they have the points, we want to encourage them way from their worst shit.
>>47788989
Land raiders are your only option that doesn't make them worse on the table.
>>47788884
Talking about assault vehicles and deepstrike why the hell are drop pods open-topped vehicles? i mean its not like anything can reembark after its landed and its not like you can assault from it since it can only be embarked upon deep strike. unless i'm forgetting a rule that makes them special i cant fathom why they are open-topped.
>>47789012
If I remember my old school warhammer I would need two landraiders with two full squad of repentias to not suck that much.
>>47789034
They blow up easier.
>>47789034
To make them easier to destroy after they land, it's supposed to be a way to balance it.
Also, it's opened topped because it's open, it's fluffy.
>>47789034
It's just there to weaken them a little.
>>47789034
They are only open topped after they land, you know when all the doors are open exposing it's insides.
>>47788950
Here's how this is going to work:
>Stormraven enters the battlefield in hover mode on turn 2, flies to where your 6+ Repentia are cowering in fear
>Repentia load up
>Stormraven Zooms to your target on turn 3
>Stormraven enters hover mode on turn 4, deploying Repentia
>Repentia assault
>Stormraven gets nuked now that it's essentially a Chimera alone in the middle of the enemy
>Turn 5, Repentia maybe get to assault another unit, game ends
Is it really worth it?
>>47789034
Because they open up....
>>47789072
>>47789070
>>47789067
>>47789066
Thank you all i guess i was just being an autist this morning and couldnt remember that they are easier to destroy because of it.
>>47788888
>Manage quints for the first time ever on site
>Old thread
Such is life when you're a newb...
>>47789060
>If I remember my old school warhammer
Don't
If it's not 7th it's just muddying the waters.
>>47789097
>Giving a fuck about post numbers
Newb isn't the worst word I'd use.
>>47789089
yea but when has GW ever done anything else because it fit the fluff?
>>47789076
Just give Sisters a Stormraven equivalent
>>47789103
Just wondering if I would need two tanks in 7th as I needed back in third.
>>47789135
They TRY to be fluffy.
Try.
I mean, it is there excuse for the rules being so unbalanced.
"Because Orks and Chaos mortal are shit lol!"
>>47789153
What could that be? Since you have to wait with the girls outside in the dark for their ride to arrive.
>>47789134
Was born in 88, the number pleases me.
>>47789153
I would be happy if Sisters got a pretty much anything equivalent. We established a couple days ago that Sisters of Battle haven't had a full model line update since they were introduced 20 years ago.
>>47788758
Yeah pulsars are criminally under costed, if you can run then as single units thats great too
Alright, /tg/, I'm primarily a KDK player that, but I can also run a pure demon list using mostly Khorne daemons, relying on how expensive Demon Princes are to eat up points, and my small handful of Tzeentch daemons. When I field KDK, I've largely become the cliche "ork player" in that everyone has fun fighting me but I tend to lose. That's great and all, but I feel constrained by the limitations on the army due to the formation/decurion requirements (possessed tax, MoK tax, 2 bikers etc..) and I'm looking to bone up more on a pure daemons list. Most of the players in my group are Space Marine players, but one of them is a Necron gunline army that I have absolutely no way of handling currently and another player uses multiple knights, which I don't own enough anti-armor to make a serious dent in (other than a D-thirster). I have a good amount of khorne daemons already but I've been reading up on Nurgle and Tzeentch daemons and like a lot of what I see.
So in the interests of more efficiently spending my money, any daemon players here have some advice for me for how to expand my daemon list or have any good lists that can be used as a template in order to compete a little better in this Space Marine run world? I currently own the following:
- Herald of Tzeentch x 1 (no disc)
- Pink Horrors x 30 (got a deal on a bundle)
- Screamers x 3
- 1 Defiler I proxy as a Soul Grinder sometimes
I'd like to expand on the Tzeentch daemons in particular without entirely devolving into summon spam (emphasis on entirely) as I don't currently generate enough warp charges to be as durable or shooty as I'd like, but wouldn't say no to working in some Nurgle if they can be reasonably worked in depending how large the game is.
TLDR: I'd like build a workable Tzeentch daemon (with possibly some Nurgle) list, what advice do you have?
PS: Is there any validity at all to these rumors about a Tzeentch daemonkin codex/new LoC model?
>>47789161
Depends how many you need to move.
Land raiders have variants now, with the oldschool lascannon godhammer, the double rapeflamer version with 12 seats, the bolters on bolters on bolters version with 16, the super delux version with 20 seats and immunity to meltas as well as as all of other more gun oriented versions with les emphasis on transportation.
>>47789650
well you need a skullcannon for sure, i'm surprised you don't have one already. if you hate the model grab a juggernaut, 2 blood letters and a cannon on wheels for a conversion.
if you're going for more tzeentch then you'll want fateweaver or lord of change. burning chariots are av 10/10/10 3hp but a torrent flamer or d3 lascannon shots at the right moment are damn good.
>>47789717
Oh, I didn't list my Khorne daemons. I got the start collecting khorne box when I made my KDK army (10 blood letters, blood throne/skull cannon, 3 blood crushers). I also own 2 bloodthirsters (1 D, 1 vanilla), a demon prince from my CSM days, and 20 flesh hounds.
Does anybody have the VASSAL module for this game? I've started thinking about getting into 40k, but I'd like to try the game out to see if i actually enjoy the game before I invest a ton of money into the figures.
>>47789799
Go to your local Games Workshop. They have test games set up for prospective players.
Are barebones Land Speeders decent? I need to trim 30 points off my list for it to be 1000 pts. and I'm thinking about ditching two Land Speeder multi-meltas.
Are OSCs really op for Tau? I have 1 ghostkeel already and was looking to getting stealthsuits and a Shadowsun but don't wanna be that guy.
Is this better/worse than the Riptide wing I've been told to avoid?
>>47789960
Do you really want to pay 45 pts for 1 Hbolter or Hflamer?
>>47788289
I found their new themesong
https://youtu.be/z48NmdWbquw
>>47790068
Guess not. So I'll cut one Land Speeder and its melta and just deploy a single multi-melta LS.
>>47789034
Gives that auto +1 for explodes roll
What model has a good power maul I could put on a guardsman?
>>47790188
Ravenwing Command Squad has a studded club/tetsubo-type weapon, see if your local Dark Angels players will trade or give you that bit
Or hit up bits sites
>>47790188
The Militarum Tempestus sprue comes with a pretty sick power maul as seen here
>>47789987
you can shoot a leman russ in the ass completely avoiding that nice av14 in the front
>>47789768
you're not in bad shape then. maybe a burning chariot as well. with daemons you'll always struggle with anti tank, at least i do. gifts are damn amazing. i got the beam gift last game and immobilized longstrike, it helped but longstrike was gonna get smashed anyway
>>47788565
Fucking no way dude. I'm talking about playing my friends who use marines, blood angels, chaos / lost and the damned and dark angels.
Just so we are all on even ground.
You have a pretty negative outlook on life to jump to an assumption that I use only the "best" units and not fun ones I like.
Why would I even be wanting to play my dreads if I was That Guy? they aren't very good but I adore them as they have been my fondest and most iconic unit to play for the past 15 years since I was 10.
I know orkz are in the shit and also they are typically the funnest players when I have faced them at a club when I used to go, so I wouldn't throw waac in their faces, not my style ever.
>>47790113
But that's false, they stop after 6 turns.
>>47788224
How is this gettting the rules wrong?
I can see how it would be something that people wouldn't like, but I fail to see where this is 'getting the rules wrong'.
If I run a combi-bolter in an Imperial Fists formation, reroll a die which ends up being a 1, can I reroll again?
>>47790515
You can never re-roll a re-roll. Pretty sure that's in the BRB.
>>47790515
Nope. The big rule book has a strict rule that you can NEVER reroll a reroll under any circumstances.
>>47790558
>>47790566
Would be broken I guess. Especially with doctrines.
>>47788224
Does this mean Furioso is no longer the go to Dread for BA?
>>47790669
Drop
Templates everywhere
5 WS5 attacks on the charge if you survive that turn...
Ups and downs.
What Legion tactics would you give to the undivided Chaos Legions, if that was something you would like to do?
>>47788851
>He plays iron hands
>>47790850
Which one?
There are more undivided than dedicated legions
>>47788344
The SW have a thunderwolf unit independent from the lord, the best thing they could have done was making a separate stats for wgbl and wolf lord mounted on thunderwolves.but also to fuck over the csm fags with exalted champion and lords with juggernaut mount
>>47790946
The Word Bearers, Iron Hands, Alpha Legion, Black Legion and Dark Angels. The Undivided Legions.
>>47791012
>Iron Hands
>Dark Angelsnicely memed
>>47791012
>Iron Hands
>Dark Angels>Alpha Legion
>>47791012
>Iron Hands
Don't you mean Iron Warriors?
>>47790913
I play BA and I don't know how many players will be dicks because the army book says 2 attacks and GW's statement is to homerule it with your oppenent's permision.
>>47791030
>>47791052
>>47791056
I missed out the Night Lords.
>>47788971
>Complaining about dreadnoughts on the age of D eldars
Fuck off, I'll use 3++ dreadnoughts and you'll have to shove it down your throat.
>>47791100
Which I doubt many players would do. I'm know my friend wouldn't mind but it sounds like there's a mess of WAAC fags out there.
>>47788971
but dreads suck even with 4 attacks
>>47790850
there's so much i wanna do for chaos i might as well write up a fandex
>>47791177
>>47791153
Formation of 5 venerable dreads with shields as a unit, all facing different directions so you always hit front armour no matter what.
Crowded around the formation's Techmarine.
Call them the Knot of Russ.
>>47791249
i want to believe
>>47791153
>being a pissy bitch that someone else got s buff
Go cry into your cum-stained beard, furry
>>47791280
>Making jokes you have to be furry trash to understandI lol'd
>>47791249
damn you anon, why must you bring up my hopes just to crush them?
>>47790188
Skitarri Alpha power maul fits nicely
>>47788845
I was going to insert a "your mom thinks im fun" joke here but it was too easy.
Like your mom.
>>47791302
>Eldars are perfectly balanced faggots gid gud
Eldar players everybody you can't make this shit up.
>>47791514
I run only guardians and dire avengers and a fire prism.Sometimes I take dark reapers or warp spiders because theyre fun
>>47788289
>scion
Awesome!! Anyone have the chaos one?
>>47791323
I-I'm sorry anon, I only wanted to give you some ideas for your fandex.
>>47791578
You really don't want to know. Don't do it. You will only be disappointedthe CSM get Hatred when the Lord's around
>>47791566
>It's actually an eldar player
Go be a fag somewhere else cancer trash
>>47791592
>Literally giving out Hatred
Oh god, they're self-aware.
>>47791607
Show me on the doll where the Wraithknight hurt you
>>47791648
>It's not my fault I like to play the most game breaking unbalanced codex just because I'm a pay to win WAAC faggot.
Sure thing sunshine
>>47791719
Not the game guy. I play Orks and Guard.
>>47791592
Sigh... SIGH.... GOD DAMN IT!! Looks like my Hellbrute is going to keep hanging around his cultist buddies.
What's the most competitive Space Marine list there is right now?
>>47791719
Different Eldar player, but I got into eldar because I'm a fan of the lore, after learning about 40k from a rogue trader campaign.
Bought my first minis before codex, and right before the latest codex dropped.
I've played enough games that I WTFed about a lot of the stuff I read there. Good thing the lore I liked was the aspect warriors, and thought the warp spiders looked like balls.
Even more lucky, because I wanted some transports, and Wave Serpents got brought down from completely broken to just really good.
Talking with the other eldar players in the area, no one liked the broken changes, with the closest thing to a WAAC argument being that one guy thinks the Wraithknight is only 50pts undercost, while the rest of us think it's 100pts.
Is it worth taking a gladius if you're not doing the double demi-company?
>>47791607
>Still upset despite the fact I gimp myself and play footdar
Go be a fag somewhere else
>>47791798
IIRC Gladius and Shyhammer with psyker deathstar.
>>47791798
Skyhammer Annihilation Force with Grav on bikes and Centurions.
>>47791566
Warp Spiders aren't fun they're broken as fuck and the most unfun shit to play against. Oh you tried to do ANYTHING to me? TEEHEEHEE I TELEPORT AWAY
Way to prove all Eldar players are faggots.
So, since this started with a share post: Epistolary of kickass.to fame seems to have vanished. Where do I get my fix of HH/40k audiobooks now?
>>47791826
>one guy thinks the Wraithknight is only 50pts undercost, while the rest of us think it's 100pts.
More like 125-150.
I haven't played Orks in ages and I've unearthed my old Ork army. I've got two squads of ten boyz, a war boss, a mek with custom force field, some nobs, four trukks, six buggies, and a dreadnaught.
What do I need to buy to make this viable?
>>47791925
Do bikes count as Assault Squads and Centurions as Devastators?
Jesus fucking christ this is fucking stupid
>>47791939
lots of mek guns, bikes and tankbustas.
>>47791939
more boyz, for starters
even speed freaks want at least thirty trukk boyz
>>47791826
>thinks WKs should cost less than a Knight
No fuckoff you're still a faggot. Anyone who is still actively playin Eldar is a faggot end of story. All the nonfaggots already shelved the army because they weren't faggots. Proof? Your fucking post. It's like you dumb knife eared fuckboy loving faggots haven't even looked at how many points other GCs actually cost.
>>47791939
>Orks
>What do I need to buy to make this viable?
>>47791933
You can charge them, you can lob pies near them, fire flamers through them, hell shot a decent range weapon or laugh as their emergency jaunt moves them fuckall and they eat lead.
Not fucking hard.
>>47791592
>the CSM get Hatred when the Lord's around
Just the csm?
So what we have here is a formation that involves a shit unit in the form of a Helbrute, and the formation's only bonus doesn't do shit for said helbrute?
Not to mention 'durr hatred bubble' is lazy as fuck
>>47791939
>What do I need to buy to make this viable?
A time machine.
>>47791863
No. Just take the individual formation if you can. I don't think any of the Gladius only sub formations are particularly good. They're never taken in Battle Company anyways and they're seen as taxes.
Skyhammer is the one exception.
>>47791939
A horde of Kill-Bursta tanks, nothing else.
>>47791983
Jelly muhreen detected.
>>47792004
All models in formation within the 12" bubble, at least it hatred vs. all
>>47791990
>Not fucking hard
>one of the championship GT Eldar lists is just Warp Spider spam
Fuck off Eldarfag.
>>47791983
knights cost between 325 and 400.
Add 100 pts to a wraithknight at it costs 390.
>>47791938
>>47791938
125 maybe but not 150. look at the 400pts FW knights. 150 pts would mean it costs more than the top FW knight with the HQ upgrade.
The wraithknight still tougher than the top knights, but the difference shrinks, and it's weapons are weaker. Those knights with +1WS/BS and a 3++ save are better than a wraithknight.
>>47791798
double grav skyhammer.
>>47792004
Just the CSM. Yes, it's shit. You can't make this stuff up, literally all they'd have to do is add run and charge or something to at least get a not completely worthless choppy formation.
>>47792004
>a shit unit in the form of a Helbrute
Teleporting helbrutes and cultist icon helbrutes are both fairly decent formations.
No skyhammer, but why the fuck would I want shit like skyhammer.
Today, I saw an Imperial Guard player kick the shit out of an overly cocky Skyhammer player.
It was god damn glorious.
>>47792022
>Jelly muhreen detected
How can you even tell what army he plays? There's literally nothing to go on other than knights, which aren't even marine related other than being imperial.
>>47792051
What whas his list/tactics?
>>47792007
So Pedro is best off in a CAD?Since for some reason he''s not allowed in a sternhamner
>>47792038
>390 isn't less than 400
>GCs aren't superior to superheavy walkers
>>47791977
>boyz
boys are shit, your mandatory troop choices should be grots.
>>47792012
I'd say a pile of grots to camp objectives with cheap wounds, and don't they have transport cap? so some Meks with repair rolls.
>>47792024
Not evne Eldar, I play Ork sand evne i can do it.
Also try hard tourney fag Unit spam =/= All possible unit use.
If take along with a tax of shining spears, banshees and swooping hawks a single spider unit's a lot less daunting, hell it's can be fun trying to beat in the power rangers.
>>47792066
Only joined the spectacle at the end, but he had a lot of footslogging infantry, minimal artillery, a flyer (dont know which one 2bh), a Taurus, what looked like small, immobile anti-air cannons and an allied Space Marine detachment that consisted of Centurions, a Tactical Squad in a razorback and a captain. Don't really know my IG yet, so I can't really tell you the specifics on that part.
>>47792061
Aside from perssonal bias? Very little.
Muhreens are generally mad that they haven't won 40k, he could also be a jelly taufag but they usually can't stop talking about their army long enough to make a posts.
Demon players are generally very quiet.
Bottom 4 armies are too busy raggin on one another to care who's on top, sisters are busy being sorry for themselves, IG will always loudly complain that they can't play leafblower and Admech keep their mouth competently shut because they know if they even make a single beep they'll get flamed to fuck for their OP monobuild formation.
>>47791983
Aren't there some Wraith Knights that can't stand up to a regular Knight on the table?
I believe the Forge World ones lose to some regular GW Knights.
So now that blood angels dreads get +2 attacks, is an allied detachment with
HQ: Libby dread, pod.
Elite: Furioso with template gun thing, pod
Troop: Cassor the Damned, FW dread drop pod,
Heavy support: Deredeo
A good shout?
>>47792187
Any WK that lacks a sword will generally lose to a sword Knight, since S10, albeit with HoW if it gets the charge, is hard-pressed to destroy AV13 6HP before it swings back and wins. The problem is that if WK doesn't have a sword, it will have D-guns which will soften up the Knight before combat even happens, or those nasty melta lance things, which I admittedly don't know much about but hey, it's melta, it'll be good against the Knight.
>>47792187
>>47792173
daemon players are pretty content, at least I am
>>47792221
Well I also meant lose in shooting too.
I know one of the Forge World ones only has a template that I don't believe could do much to a Knight.
Also even with the Melta Lance, isn't that only two shots when some Knights like the Warden have the Avenger Cannons, Storm Spear and Battle Cannon(?)?
Huh. Well, this is good news I guess.
>>47792240
>daemon players are pretty content, at least I am
I get why, picking op a armful of Start Collecting Nurgle boxes next month, such great value for money and plays directly into the formations, only beasts of Nurgle are missing and I can pick up some cheap snail/slug figurines for cheaps.
>>47792276
Yeah, the new and improved White Dwarf, like it used to be.
looking forward to pirating it.
>>47792276
They just have no idea what to do with it, do they?
>>47792276
>exclusive games and rules
ohh, perhaps this is why we haven't gotten a codex in a while.
>>47792024
Salty Imperium faggot detected, go suck a corpses dick you necrophile. Ill enjoy my elf ladies and god of fucking rage
>>47792284
Honestly beasts of Nurgle are kinda shitty, I have three of them and they do almost nothing for 51 points a model.
So how long until they put Grav on a Dreadnought?
>>47792346
They already did. In 30k.
>>47792344
What they do is tank and cost nearly a third of the plague drones they share formation with.
>>47792355
I don't see the grav
>>47792355
Forgot that pic didn't have the Grav Imploder.
>>47792384
Here it is.
Is it me or does the Wraith Knight weapon selection seem kind of limited for the main ones?
What was stopping them from allowing them to have double Sun Cannons, Fire Prism's and Night Spinner's guns or letting you mix and match weapons instead of what it has now?
>>47792038
>it's weapons are weaker
Are you implying that D is weaker than D, or that D is weaker than not-D? Either way I'd say you're wrong.
>>47792395
Theres a version with super dupers meltas and one with those night spinner guns.
The.. sasquatch knight?
>>47792395
even gw shows restraint at times
I played against Eldar for the first time today.
Sun Cannons are fucking stupid.
>>47792384
They're SUPPOSED to tank is the thing but they don't. T5 with a 5++ save isn't that impressive. demonic instability and low leadership also means even if they ever lose combat you could see the whole unit disappear.
It's honestly better just to take another summoner and have a free squad of plague bearers doing your tanking for you, but I will say they make exellent bodyguards for nurgle herald who just wants to sit at the back of the board like a summoner with a doom bell.
>>47792501
Another day, another supplement, and more kit's with staggered releases and planned obsolescence are prime money making tools
>>47792276
Hope they don't fuck it up.
>>47792546
The rotherd formation requires you to take 7 units of Plague drones or beasts.
Drones start at ~120 for 3 beasts at ~50 for 1.
Mainly that reason i want them, and i really love their fluff as big old pestilent puppies, jumping with joy and piddling acid and bile in their excitement to find new playmates who they then smother, crush and dissolve to death as they roughouse, how they bittlerly mourn the loss of their friend untill they spot a new one.
>>47792401
The top nights have a d melee weapon plus a very powerful gun.
The melee knight has the same number of attacks. 5++ save in melee. And a six shot s7 ap2 concussive gun.
That is weapons than the melee wraithknight
>>47792078
> 390 is less than 350.
>>47792276
weekly pamphlets on new kits was never a good plan
>>47792546
there is their counter charge ability. i need to get around to proxing them at least once
>>47791983
Pretty sure you were saying this exact same thing about tau yesterday. Be sure to rotate your material a bit for optimum freshness.
>>47792726
Counter charge sounds good until you realize anyone willing to charge THE close combat army is going to be too much for the S4 ap- beasts to handle.
would having 2 squads of 3 wyverns work against a T5+ majority necron army at 2500 points?
what's the best way to use the Tempestus start collecting formation?
>>47792824
i guess in a best case scenario they're hanging around some pink horrors about to get smacked by grey knights, but with the beasts they could slow them down until a nearby bloodthrister or seekers can help next turn
>>47792838
Probably melta. Deep strike them, kill something, laugh as you put them back in reserve to deep strike again when they get ragekilled/blown up by the Knight they took out.
>>47792838
Command squad and commissar in the turox, scions deep strike then die then deepstrike back in again until the command squad dies.
>>47792838
Make the Commissar a Lord Commossar to boost his survivability, give them Melta, or Flamers if you're expecting mass infantry blobs, and go to town as they keep coming back whenever they die.
What weapons do you take on your dreads?
Bolt pistols and chainswords or bolters for Death Company Squad?
>>47792927
Stock melta in a pod or twin las. I'm personally a fan of twin ACs for maximum Rifleman but 2bh twin las is better in most of the situations you are using the Mortis rules for.
>>47792044
>but why the fuck would I want shit like skyhammer.
I play CSM too, but Skyhammer is a powerful formation that is 100% true to Space Marine fluff. We need a few of those types of formations.
>>47792927
multi-melta on the standard dread
assault cannon on the venerable
twin flamers on the ironclad
>>47792834
Still ~50% chance wound per hit. How many dudes will he have packed together for you to hit?
One of the heroes in DoW3 is an Imperial Knight (piloted by a female, no less) that has double Avenger Gatling Cannons. Think we'll get another new Knight kit since right now only the Renegades can do that? As a fan of dakka knights I'm really hoping so, but who knows, right?
>>47792927
Nothing on regular dreads but maybe a heavy flamer. Always been miffed at the fact the weapon swaps cost points when they start with a multi-melta. Especially assault cannons being so costly.
>>47792976
>imperial Knight (piloted by a female, no less)
>double Avenger Gatling Cannons
>only the Renegades can do that
Sounds like the blood ravens have been gifted a rogue knightheretic pilot included.
>>47792976
The graphics look like fucking ass.
>>47792976
>female
>working with the blood ravens
>using a weapon configuration not deemed appropriate by the omnissiah
She is a renegade man.
>>47793005
>>47793000
I like this theory.
That said, I still want to see double dakka knights for loyalists, and given how well knight kits have sold I'd be surprised if GW doesn't do another iteration.
>>47792963
lots of immortals, lych and wraiths
>>47792927
Plasma cannon/flamer fist
Melta/missile
double autocannons
assault cannon/flamer fist
Melta/standard fist
Or just magnetize
>>47793001
Supposedly they went with a different art style because they want larger numbers of units on screen than in DoW2 and want the unit micro and overall gameplay to feel more responsive. It looks a little better in the E3 footage at least, but yeah, I agree that it could be a improved.
>>47792976
I was the first to say it and I'll say it 1,000sons more times
>twin avenger gattling knight
Blood ravens confirmed for renegade
>>47793018
tell ya what loyalist, we'll give you the plans for double guns on knights if you hand over grav tech. fair is fair right?
>>47793076
Fucking phone posting ruining my clever spoils
I'll figure that shit out soon enough
>>47793077
u can bugger right off back to the butthole of terror
