Welcome to the flake thread!
Previously:
REMEMBER TO SEND ME A DESCRIPTION OF YOUR CHARACTER IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO. See >>47617189
Elsewise: Color Pie debates. Alternate color pie >>47628705. Daily reminder from our lord and savior that all our flakes our shit. Other snowflakes need exposure. Flake ball. A new friend for Serena. Debating on the nature of the Mending.
Previous thread: >>47616640
Writefagging last time:
The flake ball part 1: >>47637984
The flake ball part 2: >>47656270
Alternate flake ball (sample): >>47652188
REMINDER:
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Also, I added the blank template to the ALL FLAKESHEETS folder.
To summon me simply say
>OP OP, I SUMMON THEE. PLACE THIS FILE IN THE REPOSITORY.
And I will come.
>Current Repository
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Don't respond to troll posts, including this one.
>>47666159
Will do, Señor Jackass.
>>47666159
Desnak does sound like a good name for a villain, tho.
If you love Avacyn, let Nahiri go.
>>47666974
Eh?
>>47666974
Fuck you, Nahiri. I can't wait until Sorin rips your heart out.
>>47667063
Forgive Nahiri.
It's what Avacyn would have wanted
Working on my new mantis flake from a few threads back. I have no idea what kind of cards to give him or what deck mechanic he should use. Ideas? Thoughts?
Also, that anon who wanted to do some team-ups with this guy, let me hear from ya.
>>47667134
Is it? Regardless of why she did it she caused a horrible amount of pain to Avacyn and her entire plane, a friendly reminder for you that Avacyn has killed angels for things far, far less horrible than this.
>>47667134
The avacynian church isn't big on forgiveness beyond giving the werewolves a chance to live something like normal lives. I like to imagine she did at least lay Mikeus back to rest.Of course, as we have seen, not all the werewolves were grateful for Avacyn giving the ones who wanted to stop being murderbeasts a second chance, but that's neither here nor there.
>>47667557
There's no real room for forgiveness in a world like that, the humans of Innistrad are horrible and constantly work cause their own problems. Justice needs to be dealt swiftly to those who upset the balance else order could never be kept, how else could a plane full of so many horrors and so many different groups of asshole survive this long? Avacyn is just but harsh and Nahiri has upset the balance immensely, I have no doubt that if she was alive and knew what we did she'd kill Nahiri herself.
Nice try though>>47667134
>>47667693
What do we know for sure.
>>47667160
Mantis people are by default just "insect" creature type, and green has the most of them. Not to say you can't do it in blue, just that it's going to be, like, real hard.
>>47667887
We know that regardless of her intentions or reasons Nahiri did this to Innistrad and I see no evidence that she's been corrupted by anything. She did this of her own volition to get revenge on Sorin, Avacyn would definitely kill her for this there's no way she wouldn't, Avacyn genuinely cares for and enjoys protecting the humans and Nahiri made her kill them.
>>47667160
New flake. I took your suggestion on a pic and rolled with it.
>>47668007
>>47667160
Also, I hope you get the theme of the character.
>>47667982
And Angels are naturally white. Doesn't mean we don't have black ones. And really, if it's sentient and became a planeswalker, then it could just have a mentality to have an affinity to blue.
>>47668007
>Increased planeswalker abilities
ehhhh, nowadays planeswalkers only be default have the ability to walk, all other bells and whistles were removed during the mending, so if the curse is boosting anything, it'd have to be something other than his ability to walk. You could probably just replace "planeswalker" with "untapped magical power" or something to get the same effect though.
>>47668091
It's not boosting anything besides being able to planeswalk with a group. It's reacting to his spark and giving him additional abilities. So, really it's the curse itself being boosted by his spark.
>>47668074
nono, I'm not trying to dissuade the color, just giving him a head's up. I will stand by dissuading the creature type though, insect. A claim could be made for nagas being more snake than kamigawa's snakes, but even mark has admitted this is a questionable call. Change the race, but it's fine otherwise, they just happened to choose hardmode for building something that fits both their narrative and race.
>>47668137
not sure why those would interact, but fuck it, fair enough
>>47668150
>>47668074
just to clarify, I wasn't calling you insect, I was stating what the race should be.
>>47668180
I know what you were meaning. So, no worries.
>>47667982
Ok, I'll add an insect subscript on its race type.
As for the color identity, I was originally going to make it UG, but the more I thought about its personality and actions, I just didn't see green there at all. So monoblue for now.
>>47668247
At least you have innistrad for secret bees, but what kind of cards are you actually looking for in your character?
There are a bunch of gain/pursue knowledge cards out there, but those are all pretty bland on their own, what you visualize your flake using most often spell-wise?
>>47668007
>The Dread Pirate
I can't stop hearing "THE DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS TAKES NO SURVIVORS"
>>47668345
Prisoners. But, yes. I'm happy that you caught the theme.
>>47668296
Hmmm, probably illusions. Mind tricks, mostly. And telepathy. So all or almost all mental-based abilities. I'll start looking at some cards and get some ideas.
>>47668363
Sheeet my bad.
It's been too long. I should watch that movie tonight.
>>47668389
Such a great movie. You have no idea how happy I am that you caught onto the theme of the character. It's like finding someone who knows about something that was such a treasured part of my youth.
>>47668007
I like it. It's like having an interplanar Flying Dutchman.
>>47668007
No.
>>47668652
Heh. I love the old actual lore of the Flying Durchman, but yes that was the idea.
>>47668681
Don't provide criticism. If you don't like that guy's snowflakes, just don't comment on them.
It's a lost cause. Just ignore it and if you can't, leave the thread and let this project's horrid half-life drag on without your presence.
>>47668719
You're a fucking asshat, you know that? I've always taken criticism well and do often make changes when need be. Just look at my last flake. Why do you act like this? It's like you live just to be an asshat to people who share the same interests that you do. Also, you tossed in a lot of bitching in response to an anon who simply said "no".
>>47668719
I know it's useless to say anything, but it feels like if you aren't following the rules, then what's the fucking point?
>>47668786
Ok, who were your other flakes. My problem is the taking others on a trip through the blind eternities.
>>47668753
How do you know it's just one guy?
>>47668786
>>47668796
What was deleted?
>>47668877
Yeah, I'm curious, too.
Don't spare the juicy details.
>>47668796
I don't get it either but at this point, everyone else has just accepted him as a part of the 'community' and if you criticize any of the snowflakes he makes, you're the troublemaker and the rule-breaker, not him.
So all you can do is ignore him and accept him like everyone else or leave. Saying anything about him will just get you accused of being a troll.
>>47668796
Go ahead and pick my flake apart. I'd like to hear your concerns. This far, I feel like you don't like the fact that he can do things that no one else can, right? And if so, I just wanted to make something more fantasy based in the theme of the Magic universe to represent old pirate themes. And I didn't want it to just be a rehashing of some other set's guidelines.
>>47668877
>>47668887
It was this >>47668753 . He deleted it because it was a double post.
>>47668847
It's been done before. Look at Baron Sengir.
>>47668847
Don't waste your time with it. He'll just cite examples from fifteen years ago and pretend that the Mending never happened and that the rules haven't changed.
Just don't bother. He makes the rules of his daily snowflakes and no one else does.
>>47668897
Again, you are crying about something that I just said is false. I got heavy criticism for my flake Miyja and I changed her accordingly to what was pointed out.
Let me put it this way, who do you think my flakes are that I've apparently made problems over?
>>47669002
Wow, you're really on a snowball of antagonizing. What's your problem kid? I mean seriously.
Can anyone think of a blue card that is good for illusion magic? I'm blanking.
>>47668753
>>47668897
>>47669002
This guy just killed the thread. Thank you guy. Thank you for being a Sour Sally.
>>47669234
In what regards? What do you want the card to do? Buff illusions?
>>47669234
There's loads but here's the basic one.
>>47668847
I haven't actually planned on ever giving out which flakes, I kind of like anonymity. But, why not?
Vronak
Vontrask
Emir
Sephren
Lord Æon
Íreth
Miyja
Zulkaz
Andromeda
Raioh
Graveborn
>>47669279
That should work. I wanted a card to reflect Myxxzzikt's illusion magic. I found plenty for mental manipulation, but not illusions.
It doesn't help that I never play monoblue, either.
>>47669803
Search for cards with the subtype 'illusion' or card text 'illusion' and you should find what you're after.
I know using legendaries is a bit of a faux-pas, but what about weird older legends like Mistform Ultimus, which don't really seem like legendaries? I'm not mantis anon, but they did inspire this question.
Speaking of mantis anon...
Here's the updated sheet. Yay? Nay?
>>47669901
The people who make a big deal about summoning duplicates of "legendaries" are pretty caught up on the concept that a legendary creature is somehow more powerful than a non-legendary creature. Or that legendary even exists in the lore what so ever. Literally every single creature in MtG is legendary. In card wise, Legendary is a summon that particularly summons a specific individual, while non-legendary can be any individual of that type.
Which that's not how it works in lore as there is literally no difference.
For instance:
Non-legendary summon: I summon a Elf Ranger. Jim the 1/1 Elf Ranger appears.
Legendary summon: I summon Jim the Elf Ranger. Jim the 1/1 Elf Ranger appears.
That's literally the difference between legendary and non-legendary. If you are making a duplicate of something, you don't need to have some special bond with it, or have gotten to know it intimately. You just have to know what it is and understand how summoning works.
>>47669901
Jesus, please don't bring up this topic. Don't even talk about the topic. Don't respond to anyone making any arguments. There are no faux-pas, there are no disagreements. Everyone, no matter what they believe, is absolutely 100% right about whatever they're talking about. Please don't discuss this because it's just a massive fucking waste of time for everyone and just gives the troll another reason to rant and rave.
So who's up for an ending that's not three months later for the flake ball?
>>47670360
Dear god, please.
Reading that shit in the morning right when I wake up has been fucking brilliant.
>>47670271
Again with this? If you're so antagonistic about everything, why are you even here? It seems like you automatically assume everyone is the same person and no one can have a decent conversation. Seems like a pretty shitty perception of the digital world.
>>47670608
well, while I'm not that guy, I will say he has a pretty fair 1/8 chance with this thread specifically.
Who all is here anyway?
>>47670360
angerfish here, I would like to know more
>>47670978
I'm Vronak-chan.
Gaia-chan is still here.
I believe Serena-chan is also here.
Nishal-kun might still be here.
And Ka'-kun might still be here too.
Not totally sure.
>>47670978
Annanon
>>47671065
Yeah, I'm still around. I'm a bit... distracted at the moment though, please someone stop me.
>>47671233
>mainer
please no
>>47668955
This isn't the age of oldwalkers anymore.
>>47671269
Please, don't discuss this with that guy. It's not worth arguing over.
>>47671233
>>47671065
Ka'-kun is here for he asked the question
so that's 6/9 people
How active is the IRC?
>>47671263
To be fair, Mercy fits into every team, it's not like I'm maining Genji or something.
>>47671304
There's an IRC?
>>47671325
yeah, Rizon.net, #mtgwaifulore
Back in the old snowstorm I went there a couple times, but didn't make too great a first impression and haven't been there since. I was wondering if activity picked up with the new storm.
>>47671281
It's cool. I just spotted a simple open-and-shut thing and commented. If that poster's causing trouble, I won't continue any of that line further.
>>47671542
It's a discussion that has been had with that guy countless times. There's no convincing anyone so there's no point discussing it.
>>47671393
Not really, neither karada or rav are keen on it this time around
>>47671393
neat
>>47671596
>>47671587
well, I guess new blood to the IRC to help keep it alive then?
I'll probably log on later to see who all is there.
Also, apparently we had a lurker, the posters in this thread went up by one in the last few replies.
Hello lurker-friend, whoever you are!
Rolled 48, 64 = 112 (2d109)
Time for some Snowflake Team ups!
>>47672227
> Kinraker and Cadros have to team up to ssve Innistrad.
The Snowflake Ball final 1/2
Belloski had managed to perch on top of the hotel when Dyna wasn't looking and was watching as his grand hall collapsed from a distance. “Well that was a shitshow,” Albin said, perched next to the manlet dragon.
“Not entirely,” Belloski grinned and he watched people climb out from the windows before the hall collapsed in on itself, “I had that hall insured, and you got to play hero, and we got a friend.” Albin let Rock go from one of his claws. “Such hostility, just remember who saved your life,” he laughed a little after the pause, “yes, your life isn't the bargaining chip I need it seems. What about, his life?” He pointed with a claw to the squawking cock in front of the building. “That's what I thought. Albin, return him to his friend.”
“Yes sir,” Albin said and picked Rock up.
“Make sure it looks like you came from the ruins.” Belloski added as the aven flew off.
Albin flew low until he was behind the ruins before coming up over them and flying over to Razorcock, dropping Rock off at a safe distance. “Is that everyone out of the building?” he asked.
“Rock, holy shit!” Razorcock ran over, hugging his partner with both his wings. “I thought I lost you man!”
>>47673211
2/2
Early in the morning DIOMEDES opened his eyes, he was in a very fine bed and alone. “What, what's happening?” His armor, loincloth, and spear cast aside. The last thing he remembered was talking to Gaia before everything got fuzzy. “GAIA?” He called out getting out of the bed, walking naked over to the window before looking to take in the rest of the room. “ANYONE?”
Gaia stuck her head out of the bathroom “Are you still here?” She asked, clothed in his undershirt.
“GAIA... WHAT HAPPENED?” DIOMEDES asked, very confused.
“Looks like you're good with more than one kind of spear,” she grinned, “fucking later, Dio.” With that, she planeswalked away and Diomedes was left in the room, alone except for all the questions.
>>47673389>Diomedes walks out of the building to find mountains of weird fish around Ka'Koarm and Rakkan asleep in eachother's arms
>>47673503
>Ka'koarm is the little spoon
>>47673528
given the nature of his power, determining which spoon who is may become difficult
>>47673588Uzumaki...
You fiend...
>>47673636
Spiral power goes both directions, friend, and angerfish has poor navigation skills
Don't die on me!
so
uh
what are you guys up to?
>>47674267
Still writing a story for Anna, want to write a story about Starke and The Cathar.
>>47674304
ehh, I'm not too determined when it comes to writefaggin, so I tend to avoid it unless demanded it's a part of my courses. What's the story you're writing about? I don't know it.
>>47674354
Anna's is her fighting the guy responsible for her amnesia.
The Cathar will basically be his year in hell, ripping and tearing across the planes.
Starke will be her origin story.
It's up to your flake to save gossamer. Can they do it?
>>47674977
Anyone with the ability to redirect or counter can stop the spell.
If you mean to prevent a lamb from being taken and eaten by a giant monster, I'm sure there are some flakes that would be up to the ask... but which ones would bother?
>>47674977
>>47675254
Ka'koarm would accomplish this task!
No longer would the lamb feel fear under the subjugation and predation of beasts and demons, for Ka'koarm would bestow unto Gossamer the might and body to prey on demons herself!
>Inb4 Ka'koarm's "generosity" is what Gossamer needs saving from.
>>47673389
>After the deed is done, Gaia pulls out a cigarette and lights it
>Diomedes tries to cuddle
>"Fuck no, none of that. Look, you want me to call you a cab or something?"
>Diomedes runs out crying
>>47673503
I'd watch it.
>>47671269
Yes, and that's the point of the curse reacting to the spark's power. This is what allows him to transport his ship and crew across the Blind Eternities. Without it, he wouldn't be able to do so.
>>47671281
Stop being so antagonistic. It's like you have the need to respond to everyone who makes a comment towards criticizing another flake. How about you actually act like a decent human being for a change and stop acting like a tween who doesn't want anyone to talk to someone they don't like? Hmm?
>>47671578
I've never had a discussion over a walker taking more than himself through the Blind Eternities before. How can it possibly be "countless times"? You sure do like talking poorly about me A LOT. Like, seriously a lot. Also, they have already stating that the more the focus, the more they can transport. If the curse is amplifying that ability, then why would it be inconceivable to have him a transport a ship?
>>47675895
>inconceivable
>>47675914
Yes! I'm on a theme roll and I just can't stop.
>>47673389
It takes him a moment to realize, and then...
"HEY! That cunt stole my fucking shirt!"
And then he has to go galavanting across the multiverse on an epic quest to recover his shirt.
May I propose a marriage alliance between Snowflake threads and thecurrently deadAdversary general?
Specifically, if you want to play MTG matches using your custom snowflake, Adversary is an established and functional way to do it. One of the flakes in your OP already has an Adversary card from a long while back.
>>47675914
*gasps*! We should make a small handful of flake crew members for The Lady Death. Maybe if we can get four other anons to make pirate-flakes and have team of five main crew members
And it'd be amazing if we got a full crew based off of The Princess Bride theme.
>>47676001
Gaia! Would you like to make an Indigo Montoya-esque pirate flake?
>>47676249
Anon, you are singing my tune.
>>47676015
Intriguing proposal.
Other faggots in the thread? What do you think?
>>47676334
I think the Adversary general is dead for a reason, and that turning a specialized thread for lore into a general thread for a game mode is a stupid idea.
>>47676358
>turning a specialized thread for lore into a general thread for a game mode is a stupid idea.
To be clear, I'm not suggesting that one idea should cannibalize the other. I'm just saying that you might have fun creating custom cards for your Flakes and possibly using them in matches, since our interests seem to align. We certainly enjoyed it back when Adversary was being played regularly, and we didn't even have characters to be invested in at the time.And for the record, Adversary dying is mostly my fault since I started slacking and even stopped posting the general. There were some issues with not having enough players, though.
>>47676334
Ka'-kun here, I don't make any cards but am ok with the merger happening if it increases the longevity of both.
This may also mean a departure of flakes from the lore thread, seeing as we'd be taking the flake characteristic to a more creative-oriented thread. But, I suppose that's what some people wanted, so no harm done?
>>47676308
Lad to hear it, now all we need is flakes to represent Fezzik, Princess Buttercup, and Vizzini.
>>47676503
*Glad to hear it
>>47676382
I'm not familiar with this game mode at all so I honestly don't have an opinion on this.
New plot post for shadows is up
>>47677870
Oh? And what is it? Is it gay?
>>47676019
>>47676308
>mfw
>>47676334
I would say no, since this is a special lore thread like nish said but if you want I obviously can't stop you.
>>47676015
>>47676334
Please no. But I also am not going to EVER join the IRC so fuck my opinion I guess.
>>47677914
More filler but basically painting arlinn as the new protector of innistrad.
>>47677924
Like I said, this is what happens when people keep on entertaining that guy and the way they make up their own rules.
>>47677961
Fuck that noise. She'll last, what, 30 more years at most?
Yeah no. Innistrad is kill.
>>47678019
Stop tormenting the farm boy who lives there.
>>47678019
The angels are also still mad, in fact they may now be even madder as they're also driven by grief. Fuck this grimdark bullshit. Have a picture of Serena instead, courtesy of a friend of mine.
>>47678019
>>47678164
You are still this mad about Avacyn dying? Jesus christ thats sad.
>>47678256
More that I think using Arlinn as the new replacement guardian is dumb, because she is only temporary and can't shield the plane. It feels contrived. In 1000 years or less, Innistrad will be in the shitter again.
Hence, "Innistrad is kill."
>>47678256
Right now? No, but I am frustrated that the angels are STILL mad, going to have yet another Innistrad set with mostly red angels that will probably be unplayable.
>>47667160
Not Nantuko?
Threadly reminder that your snowflake is shit.
>>47678301
I think it's going to be more that the groups of innistrad need to band together to be their own protectors.
>>47678382
That's what I'm thinking, which means its a bunch of different groups banding together to fight a common foe that happens to be an Eldrazi, I guess you could call them....Allys? Or would the recycling be to obvious then?
>>47678361
I could've, but I kind of like the idea that there's a huge variety of bug-like races out there. It kind of reflects on how diverse rl bug species are. And there are a lot of mantids, sooo...
But if need be, I could always make it nantuko.
>>47678411
Remember the preview for the innistrad art book. They are "The Vanguard" tm
>>47678438
I must have forgotten, the preview made me angry. I was hoping it would mostly be about Innistrad as a whole but it seems to be a great deal from this block which I'm not interested in. I guess that saves me some money.
>>47678366
A little late for that m8
>>47668007
Is a stark reminder
>>47678673
Remember, try to avoid antagonizing them. It's not worth the ensuing shitstorm.
>>47678673
You didn't like it?
>>47678816
Remember that you are the shitstorm.
>>47678382
Which would be great if every group that's not humans or normal angels doesn't have "let's gang up on the humans" as job 1.
Even the humans gang up on THEMSELVES. Arlinn is nuts if she thinks taking angels out of the equation results in anything but human extinction one year later.
>>47679397
> one year later
Try one day later.
How do you determine what cards your character would use?
Is it just cards you think are neat or should they fit your walker's theme (if they have one)? Is there a limit?
>>47679478
when I was designing Iosha and Nishal, I asked myself "if they were getting into a fight, what woul they do?"
and then I found spells that do what I thought they would do, and used those spells. I also set myself the limit of only modern cards, because I really dislike the way legacy cards look. There's no limit to the amount of cards you use, but it's best to not use too many because then people stop reading them. use enough to get your point across, not enough to make a deck.
>>47679397
To be fair, they were managing with that until Edgar Markov made vampires
>>47679655
Hence why I'm like 90% sure Demons engineered the existence of vampires as an attempt to force human extinction.
They can't BOTH survive without Sorin's constant meddling.
>>47679697
Demons only started having more of a presence once Avacyn drove the more mundane evils back.
>>47679511
HM I may have to cut my list down some then; so far I've been compiling two lists about their magic. Stuff that involves what their magic is and then stuff I think they should be able to do with it.
Out of curiosity what sort of cards do you think would work well for an illusionist/aether mage?
>>47679478
I go with theme, other people go with whatever deck they think is cool at the time, whether it fits the character or not.
>>47679478
There are two methods to doing this, you can pick cards that fit the theme and colors of the character, or you can create a character around a theme of cards.
Either way, the cards and character should fit in theme.
>>47679904
Name a flake that doesn't fit their cards. I'd like to see this.
>>47679478
I can only speak for one character here, but I gave Murdock cards I think fit with her background of learning magic on Kamigawa and creatures based on the small paeriod she spend on Shadowmoor that I think go wel along her character's personaility and the rest of the spells.
>>47678422
If you were working on a Inigo Montoya styled flake, I don't know if you've settled upon a pic yet or not, but I have one that I thought was a little fitting if you choose to use it.
>>47681512
If anyone wants to make a pirate flake crew also fitting the theme, then here is a pic that I thought was Fezzik styled.
>>47681586
And a Vizzini styled pic.
>>47681606
And a Buttercup-pirate styled pic perhaps.
>>47681619
Or perhaps this, don't know what someone might have a taste for.
>>47679397
I don't know what the problem is with having normal angels, we already have Boros and we don't need Innistrad's angels going mad and Avacyn becoming Aurellia 2.0. Innistrad's angels were genuinely interesting and diverse which is why it's so frustrating to see a block where they only feature as mindless murderers and get butchered en masse.
>>47683063
Welcome to MTG: Where your expectations go to die.
>>47682618
I know, right?
>>47679478
It's simple
Think up a set of words that fit your character
Go to an online thesaurus
get all variants of those words
plug them into Getherer's Advanced Search with "or" rather than "and"
then pick your favorites from the long list that follows.
For creatures I usually decide what creature types work best for the character, then search through all creature with those types and pick the best fits.
>>47684154
rather, plug them into the advanced search for titles
>>47684154
I just pick a card or two from each deck.
>>47684154
This is a good way to do it.
I'm still spooped that someone recognised me in the flavour thread though.
>>47685649
It's not that hard, especially when Innistrad is brought up.
>>47685649
>someone recognized me
Yo
>>47685649
Well the angel fetishist is obviously you and the super-indignant guy who says something wrong and defends it to the death is you-know-who, there's a few other obvious personalities.
>>47686575
Am I obvious, anon?
I wanna know.
Can you show me?
>>47686591
Let the Righteous Queen of Vengeance into your heart.
>>47686684
Suck my vampire diiiiiiiiick
>>47686716
It wouldn't be the first time she did that.
>>47686458
>>47686575
Fair.
>>47686756
Of course not, but that only happened whenever Sorin demanded tea time...
...which was all the time.
Serena, are you shitposting in the lore thread?
>>47687682
I haven't posted in there for a while, why?
>>47687705
Someone was being a helvault denier.
Anyway, I was thinking about some interactions when I was thinking about 'good' flakes fighting each other instead of making villainous flakes and imagined a scenario where Serena and The Cathar got into a fight.
>>47687107
"We're here to kick ass and drink tea... And we're all out of tea."
>>47687797
I wonder who is a regular troll in these threads who gets kicks out of making people argue about the lore by stating blatant inaccuracies.
>>47687797
Well rosewater confirmed it then deleted his post.
It could certainly see that happening, if nothing else Serena would fight anyone who talked shit about Avacyn.
>>47687797
>Serena finds Nahiri and attacks her for what she's done.
>The Cathar comes in and, without context, sees nothing but another angel gone mad.
>If the flake ball is canon, he says something like "Not you too." before going in.
>If it isn't, he just shakes his head as he still remembers her, and goes about ripping and tearing as best he could.
>>47687864
Its MtG. If you really wanted to troll, you'd just have to bring up 'mana weaving' and let the thread collapse.
>>47688170
What about the reserved list?
>>47688170
Oh no. We're not getting into that today. It's a fucking ludicrously stupid idea in the first place.
>>47687947
Oh lord, Nahiri would destroy her so hard. I do like the idea of The Cathar attacking Serena because he assumes she's mad though.
updates on the ball story: I haven't done any writing because of moving bullshit, but I've been thinking about what I plan on doing. The thought process is going pretty well, but not a lot of it has gone down on any media.
Also: 1)fuck the reserved list, it's greatly outlived its function and is now more detrimental than anything to legacy and standard formats and 2)mana weaving is fine unless you're being a cuck and comboweaving. then you're ruining it for everyone.
>>47688240
So she realizes that someone is a covert cultist, he attacks her.
>>47688280
Yeah, anything really works, there's a million reasons why Serena could attack a human on Innistrad; cults, stichers, mad inquisitors, ect.
But anyway, I'm going to bed now, goodnight flake thread. I do really like the idea of canon interaction between Serena and The Cathar though.
What's the current most powerful magic set you can buy at stores and whatnot easily? So not the real old ones the stores don't sell anymore.
>>47688453
if you're asking for the best thing to buy for the most interesting gameplay, I really enjoyed Origins and Shadows. Both sets were really good, and they play really well within themselves.
if you're asking for the best thing to buy for the resell value, Eternal Masters comes out soon and it's got a lot of really good shit printed in it.
>>47688358
Good night Serena, may your dreams be filled with dancing angels.
What would your flake do for their teammates?
>>47689139
Kikiki would turn just about anything into a frog for a buddy's sake.
Of course, that's usually his solution to everything anyway.
>>47689139
>My flakes
>Teammates
Must... not... laugh...
>>47689139
They are all fairly loyal and will work to help their teammates, but both Jorge and The Cathar have trust issues that would prevent them from teaming up.
>>47689139
Basically anything, Serena is pretty selfless.
>>47688170
What exactly IS mana weaving?
>>47687947
No way is the flake ball canon. That was just a funny writefagging. I liked it though.
>>47688453
The best box to buy and definitely get your money back is Shadows Over Innistrad. The set that probably has the most powerhouse cards in it though, probably New Phyrexia. Karn, Swords, Praetors, Chancellors, Phyrexian Obliterator, Wurmcoil Engine, Spellskite, Caged Sun, Mental Mistep, Sergical Extraction, Phyrexian Metamorph. Shit is such a cash cow. But, a box is pretty expensive.
>>47691200
You 'weave' mana into your deck, you basically place one land then one card and so forth to make sure you're always hitting drops without getting flooded. Basically it becomes Hearthstone.
>>47689139
Hmm...
Vronak wouldn't go out of his way much. He'd do damn near anything to keep them all alive. But, other than that, not much else.
Emir is a bit selfish at times. But, I think he'd put a team before himself if he were with them for a while.
Íreth would probably do anything for anyone that didn't treat her poorly.
Zulkaz would do anything he was paid to do as long as it doesn't get him killed.
Raioh is kind of the same way as Zulkaz, just more likeable becsuse he's not a smartass and more prone to attachment.
Graveborn is technically already dead. So, he can't die for anyone. But, he's a pirate. He'll kill for his crew, and he'll let someone else die for his crew. Fuck everyone else.
Everyother flake wouldn't get along with teammates.
>>47691314
That's so fucking dumb. I understand spreading cards up prior to shuffling after a long match that brought out most of your lands, but doing that shit all the time just because is seriously cheating. I'd shuffle a fucker's deck properly if they did that during a tournament when they asked me to cut their deck.
>>47691386
Generally, you're supposed to shuffle your deck again afterwards. It's just a way to keep your mana from clumping after a long game.
>>47691434
As long as you shuffle it properly afterwords, then fine. If you shuffle a deck seven times with a standard shuffle, it's supposed to be completely random.
>>47691480
Emphasis on "supposed to". It doesn't always work like that. This is a way to ensure that your mana isn't clumped, because no one likes drawing 4 lands in a row. Seriously, in a casual setting I don't understand people's problems with it.
>>47691521
In casual, everything should be lenient anyways. But, I can see in a tournament someone doing that shit being a no-no if they don't shuffle properly afterwords.
Also, what are your thoughts on riffle shuffling?
I personally hate it because I've seen what prolonged use does to cards. And I won't let anyone at a tournament riffle shuffle my deck.
>>47691621
It's a good thing I only play casual anymore. The tournament scene in my area is hit or miss.
>>47692078
That sucks. My tournament scene isn't so bad. It's pretty fun and well worth it since they don't overcharge for tournament entires like some shops do. Though, I can't wait until my shop has a Eternal Masters tournament. I hope it's sealed instead of drafted.
>>47692078
Same here, especially after the flgs closed
More Nahiri love
>>47694780
I hope she dies painfully.
>>47694855
Anon, that is bait.
>>47694892
>loving Nahiri
>bait
>>47694892
I don't care
I hope she dies.
>>47695025
Me too, friend.
>>47695025
>>47695901
It is not jsut that she is compeltely insane, ridiculously bent on vengeance and acts much like an edgy (and I hate to use this word but fuck it) teen with cosmic powers. It is not that she levels Sorin's homeworld in a petty revenge, but when she meets Nissa, the nazi-elf idiot that unleashed the Eldrazi, Nahiri greets her and helps her out too.
It is that they want us to think she is an antihero. One of the good guys, deep inside. Just how.
>>47696176
Cite where Nahiri meets Nissa, please.If you're dumb enough to have mistaken Gisa for Nissa, I will find you.
>>47696315
I think he did.
>>47696329
Can people at least read what they're so confidently ranting and raving about before they open their mouths?
>>47696350
I don't even know how he made that mistake, it was a collection of letters between Gisa and Geralf, it couldn't have been clearer.
>>47696409
He said nissa, not Gisa
You angel fetishist
>>47696727
I know, I was agreeing with you. Also you know that's not an insult right?
>>47696176
Sounds like you've never had a girlfriend.
>>47696992
Well, I had two... three, kinda. Shit was weird with the second, the point is, I too hate Nahiri and fully subscribe to the complaints. Like how are we supposed to consider her some kind of hero? Has the "white is good, black is bad" actually become a thing in the lore, that we don't even have a black walker in the justice league, and Sorin had to be made half white to be acceptable?
I miss kamigawa.
>>47697082
Note that WotC is yet to depict Nahiri as a good guy yet and they've done nothing to indicate that we're meant to treat her like a hero. All of this is just a bunch of alt-right fear-mongering from people who think that the plot is going to mysteriously transform into feminist propaganda out of nowhere.
There is literally nothing to suggest that WotC is trying to depict Nahiri as a protagonist.
Vronak-chan here. Personally, I don't want to see anything bad to Nahiri. She's been through a lot and I understand where her vengeance comes from. She was basically raised by Sorin, he was her mentor and she looked up to him. After she did everything he wanted her to, bringing the Eldrazi to Zendikar when she didn't want to risk her home, even staying in her plane without Sorin and locking herself away in hibernation, sacrificing her chance to live any kind of life, only to have the Eldrazi return and Sorin nowhere to be found. They were all supposed to return to help seal them away again if they ever got free. But, Sorin never returned for her or her plane. Ugin didn't because he was killed. But, Sorin didn't all because he wanted to irradiate his own kind and couldn't feel the Eldrazi escaping after he created Avacyn. And now, she returns with her home scorched to an ashy crisp, only to find out that Sorin has been doing absolutely nothing productive. And that the reason he even created Avacyn and sacrificed her plane's well being, the problem with the vampires, and they are still alive? I think to her, Sorin gave up on her and her home for something he didn't even bother to achieve. Like her and her home were so insignificant to him that he put a task that he felt "ehh, I'll get to it whenever I get to it" above herself. She feels betrayed. She feels unimportant. She feels... Abandoned.
Remember, don't respond to trolls.
>>47697316
^irradiate
*eradicate
>>47697223
I don't think any of those three or four guy swas trying to drag politics and feminism in this man. I do think though, they are making Nahiri come out as "yes she's being a dick to people but you know what, they had it coming, also she's W and W is good right?". I don't follow the lore much but it seems to me they kinda stopped making straight out villanous characters in other colors than black and red really. Yeah NPh had a white bad guy (or well, girl. Sorta) but every color had one or more big bad guy in it. Heliod came out as an asshole but with the whole "gods can't be judged by mortal morals" thing. Jacetigue League has no black member and the one that should have been in instead got into a fight with them. Dunno, I kinda miss the time when color did not identify you as good or bad and we could have an "hero" team up of Toshi Umezawa, Kiku and Marrow-Gnawer against the blue Mochi and white Konda.
>>47697316
... case in point.
"I feel abandoned, lets' kill everyone on this fucking plane instead of even stopping to ask a few questions".
Regardless of taste, it is a very poor plot hook. I can't take a story like this seriously!
>>47697403
Point out where they've done that so far. All we've seen of Nahiri is her ranting and raving about Sorin on a handful of cards and Gisa chattering about her new friend and how helpful she is.
There's absolutely nothing to indicate that they're trying to show her off as a good guy when they've all but confirmed that she's responsible for all of the shit occurring on Innistrad. I have no idea where you're getting that vibe from.
>>47697403
I really feel like they were pretty overt that "gods can't be judged by mortal morals" is Heliod's perspective, not the flavor department's, that Norn is the face of New Phyrexia after defeating the Black and Red Phyrexians, and that Nahiri is going completely psycho.
Dromoka and Ojutai are also very recent examples of rather malevolent characters who are white.
>>47697471
Chill man. I said it was just my impression, which kinda formed seeing people justifying their crazed waifu with "Sorin had it coming" and stuff like that.
>>47697488
I was under the impression Outaj was pretty chill honestly. For a dragon anyway.
>>47697509
He's a North Korean dictator pretending to be Yoda.
>>47697509
So your belief that WotC is making Nahiri into a hero who's actions are justified comes from people not affiliated with WotC who waifu Nahiri?
>>47697403
There are straight villains in other colors. Daretti is red, Ral Zarek is blue/red, Tezzeret was blue and still a villain even beefier he became blue/black, Tibalt is red, Xenagos is red/green.
>>47697519
He's actually a pile of like, 70 yodas or so, at least.
>>47697530
Well reading around the lore stuff she's always kinda presented as "getting vengeance on sorin because he ruined her plane" honeslty. Look, it is not like I can't be wrong. As it can be wrong the other guy that said it before me. That was just the feeling I am getting.
>>47697573
If you read my post again you'll see I said, black AND red. Blue has been always some sort of "ambiguos" color I think, though lately it is mostly "jace color".
I used to like jace, you know...
>>47697403
Vronak-chan here.
You have to understand that not everyone who is enraged makes a lot of sense. I'm saying that I understand where she is coming from. Not that she is justified or is doing what is right. I don't see her as a hero or an anti-hero at all. She is an outright villain. Doesn't mean I want to see her die in the stories. Let me put it this way, I feel about her akin to how I feel about Vicious in Cowboy Bebop.
>>47697606
Vronak-chan here.... You know what? Fuck it. I'm tripfagging.
I personally never cared for Jace.
>>47697669
Forgot the tripcode.
>>47697628
Vicious was the thing I liked the least about Bebop. Really came out as one dimensional. I assume the comics did a better job at getting his point through because in the series I did not really see it.
>>47697606
That's her motivation in her own eyes. Her plane's died and she blames Sorin and because she's vengeful and spiteful, she's doing the same to his plane. She's effectively destroying an entire plane out of vengeance against one person.
She has motivation but no one's saying that her motivation justifies her to be a genocidal bitch. But denying that she has any motivation at all does nothing. She's obviously not thinking logically about this and is treating Innistrad and is definitely insane. Some people could even say that she has a good reason to seek vengeance but the way she's going about it is so completely batshit crazy and has so much collateral damage that she's obviously not meant to be a good guy.
Sorin could have stopped Nahiri from throwing a fit by agreeing to check out Zendikar and actually saying sorry for not being there to help her protect her world like he promised. That would have kept her from lashing out at him and would have meant that he wouldn't have a reason to Helvault her.
At the same time, although Nahiri has every reason to be angry at Sorin for his indirect responsibility for what happened to her plane (by preventing her from being able to protect it when he Helvaulted her), she's completely unjustified in going full-genocidal-bitch and luring the Eldritch Moon to Innistrad.
>tl;dr - Sorin's an anti-heroic asshole, Nahiri's a villainous bitch, if they even tried to get along with one another for two seconds, none of this would have happened. There's absolutely no way WotC's trying to make Nahiri look like the good guy in this.
>>47697697
You have to see it from Vicious' view point. He grew up very anti-social and a sociopath. He never trusted anyone. Ever. And then one day while he was in the Army, he met Spike. Spike was constantly trying to get Vicious to lighten up and befriend him. And when Spike saved Vicious' life in battle, Vicious finally felt that he could trust Spike. Spike was the first person Vicious considered friend. And after the war the two continued to have eachother's backs and joined the Red Dragon Syndicate. And one day, Vicious met a girl that he fell in love with. Someone who didn't see him as a cold hearted monster due to his anti-social tendencies. And Hulia became his lover. He found a second person in his life that he could trust. And as we both know, that was not how it ended. He found out that the only two people in existence that he trusted, betrayed him. They had an affair with one another and then abandoned him. The last bit of trust and compassion that Vicious had inside of him died that day.
Testing.
>>47698791
>>47698454
but who is the real one!?!
>>47698853
He both were me. I'm messing with the tripcode.
>>47697316
>locking herself away in hibernation, sacrificing her chance to live any kind of life
A few things. First, Nahiri went into hibernation because she was bored and tired of living. So she had a chance at life. But she was tired and bored of it, so she went to sleep. It was her own choice, which had nothing to do with anyone else.
>he wanted to eradicate his own kind
He didn't want to eradicate them at all, though. The main reason why he made Avacyn was to protect Innistrad from threats, both foreign and domestic. In fact, he specifically made her in such a way that she could NOT eradicate the vampires of Innistrad. He wanted to shield and balance his plane, not destroy vampires.
Her actions are in no way forgivable, and she is just as much of an arrogant child as anyone in this story. She is just as much in the wrong as Sorin. In fact, by now I'd argue she's even more in the wrong, because she is actively trying to kill a plane. Whereas Sorin's previous neglect of Zendikar was not intentional, but a side-effect of him trying to shield his own plane from external threats. And even then, he came 1000 years later to try and save Zendikar. He was almost successful, too, if it weren't for the ELF. And then he went to find Ugin to enlist his help against the Eldrazi.
Has Nahiri had it rough? Sure. Could she have been more mature about it 1000 years ago? Sure. Could Sorin have been less of a dick when he was hungover, instead of just telling her to fuck off? You betcha.
But that in no way justifies murdering Innistrad and gutting one of the more interesting planes in this game.
>>47697628
Yeah, well Avacyn was even more enraged and had literally done nothing to deserve death before hand. But thanks to cunt mcgee here, she's gone.
So I hope Nahiri gets her hear ripped out.
>>47699954
Here here.
>>47700025
You'd think Serena would totally support that action.
>avacyn and her church have killed countless vampires, werewolves, and humans.
>the church exploited the poor and lied to the people.
>the church is responsible for the prevalence of demons and devils on Innistrad
>the church has a wall dedicated to executing vampires in the cruelest way possible.
>the church, under no influence from Nahiri, is responsible for a bloody inquisition because of the corruption so deeply ingrained in it
>the church has known demon worshippers at its head.
>yet Nahiri is the bad guy here.
>now people mourn an Angel never meant to save them
>>47700174
She definitely would, maybe not in so cruel of a way but she'd definitely support her execution.
>>47700201
Calm down Nahiri.
>>47700201
Objectively false on almost every point.
Cry more, Nahiri. I'ma rip your heart out.
>>47700423
>I have no recourse other than to call them Nahiri
Avacyn wasn't a Shepard bur a caretaker of the wolves
>>47700550
Stay deluded avafag. The only things Nahiri did was summon something and change the flow of mana.
>>47700619
Suck my cock, Nahiri-fucker.
I can't wait to see your waifu get raped.
>>47700744
>>47700619
LADIES LADIES PLEASE
can't we all agree thatLlawan bestwaifu
>>47700559
She was literally the shepherd, she kept the flock alive so that they were useful, she benefited everyone on the plane by maintaining the balance, without her no one would have had a good time.
>>47700619
Many of the things you listed were a direct result of said mana changes and the influence of the madness caused by the thing she summoned.
>>47700776
>Tentacles
Sure.
But I need to be going to sleep now, goodnight.
