no pain no gain edition
>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
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http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
>CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.wizards.com/
>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
>>47401185
first for Iona did nothing wrong
Fa/tg/uys, choose one single card to get banned.
inb4EDH banlist is pointless
>>47401304
Roots
>>47401304
none, there isn't a single card I'd like to see banned
>>47397794
>>47397864
I made a draft. Still doing some cutting and tweaking, but so far looks fun as hell.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/heroes-of-might-and-magic-1/
>>47401304
>inb4 flood of Craterhooves and Armageddons.
Seriously though, I think list is alright at this point. Only borderline cards are Necropotence and maybe SotF, which both are disgusting in power, but not worth a ban really.
>>47401304
Palinchron
I wonder if I'd start seeing peregrine drake eveywhere
>>47401304
Tooth and nail.
Have you ever seen an edh player resolve a Tooth and Nail and thought "Wow, well played, they deserved that win from nowhere"?
>>47401714
How do you call 9 mana "out of nowhere"
I try not to let my opponents get to 9 mana at all
Could be banned though
>>47401714
I love tooth and nail in my Riku deck
I also love being a degenerate faggot
>>47401736
9 mana is like turn 5-6 in edh. If you're playing with a group of 4 or more people, it's a bit difficult to kill all of them before that happens.
If you're playing EDH 1v1, you might as well play French.
>>47401754
9 mana on turn 5-6 is only normal if you don't disrupt them at all, I try to destroy as many mana rocks as I can
Also I didn't mean that tooth and nail never wins the game I just wouldn't call it "out of nowhere", I start to suspect anybody is about to close out the game when they have 9 mana available
>>47401714
it's a 9 mana sorcery, cool your jets
>>47401754
And people ask me why all my non-blue decks run Null Brooch.
Humility is such a great lock down card.
>>47402146
yes it is
>>47402252
Add in a Greater Auramancy and Mwuhahahahahahahahahaha
>>47401196
Nah man
Iona is never fun
>>47401304
Iona. It just isn't fun, guys.
>>47401641
Who wants Armageddon banned? Salty ramp players who can't help but blow their land load all over the table?
Now that spoiler season is coming what do you hope will be in Eternal Masters to boost your deck's power level?
>>47402633
>>47402654
More like Io-no, amirite?
>>47402659
Sneak Attack
I love that card and would also love for it not to be $50
>>47402306
Add in an Enchanted Evening for added protection/hilarity
>>47402659
Mana drain might be cool.
>>47401754
>9 mana is like turn 5-6 in edh
It's posts like these that make me happy that my group is low-power.
>>47402714
That's a mana dork or rock on every turn. Hardly high power. The trouble is people not bolting the bird. Always bolt the bird!
>>47402658
Yes, exactly those. They never keep lands in their hands, and cannot comprehend artifact ramp.
It's always surreal to me that some people think it's okay to have 20+ lands on the table on turn 5 and claim "I am not a threat, I have no board presence" in a loud voice. Same people usually are those who never pay for RStudy triggers because card advantage never matters, only the (nonland) permanents.
It's absolutely delicious to nuke lands after massive Boundless Realms.
I had a derevi player scoop to a Wave of Vitriol, since he had maximum of 3 basics in his deck. I know basics only produce one colour, but some people go out their way and have deck full of nonbasic lands and as few basics as possible. I'm actually running Ruination, WaveV and Back to Basics just for these kinds of retards. The one guy runs all 3 of the coliseums or whatever they are, the monocolored threshold sacland cycle in his Anafenza. He also lost to a T1 strip mine once.
>>47403096
I love abusing terrible deckbuilding.
>>47403155
I would too, but these people never learn. Instead they complain rather than learn to build decks properly and keep on folding to one simple strategy
>>47403096
>He also lost to a T1 strip mine once
How the fuck
>>47403325
This is an LGS group I take it and not a group of friends? Because if I were you I'd probably try to get these guys to all chip in on packs for pod winners and just rob them blind for their idiocy.
>>47401304
Crucible of Worlds.___:^)___
>>47403403
He played tri-colored tapland and I broke that. He relies mostly on manadorks and usually keeps 1 land hands if he has a mana dork or Thoughtseize or similar discard spell in that hand.
>>47403096
Jesus what a stooge. People who consider themselves a non-threat when they can cast whatever they want need to learn when to hold back on dumping shit out
Who is the best/funnest glass cannon commander? The type that can kill the table in a single turn but is extremely fragile
>>47403831
Omnath of rage, did 45 damage on a single turn and killed somebody for using fulminator mage on me at my end step.
>>47401304
Basalt monolith
Backbone of too many infinites
>>47403831
I've done this before with Godo. Xenagod is also incredibly capable of this, but he's more resilient
>>47404026
>did 45 damage on a single turn
Goodness, what did you do?
>>47403831
Zada, Krenko, Thromok, O.G Rakdos...
>>47403831
Rafiq of the Many
the tru man commander
>>47404233
>tru man
>contains no red
No red = no manly
>>47403831
Dunno about killing the table instantly, but I think the very definition of glass cannon commander is Dralnu. He's pure value, but dangerous as fuck.
>>47401304
Sol Ring, it would just be amusing to ban. Banlist is fine regardless and nobody in my group plays Iona because I don't play with fags
>>47403831
I have developed a turn 3 with mimeoplasm, granted it only wipes out 1 at a time.
>>47404394
>>47402633
What's with the hate seriously? If you're getting mad over one card, you should stop playing monocolored decks. If one card is enough to make you lose the game every time, you really need to think about your deckbuilding. There's million things to remove her and ways to prevent her from coming to field.
You're like the people who fold to armageddon, as mentioned earlier in the thread.
>>47404481
I have ways to deal with Iona dipshit. Iona is just played by faggots who then proceed to like their victory was well earned, armageddon is a literally who cares card. Just run enough dorks and rocks. But go ahead and keep making your assumptions buddy and trying to justify your faggy ways.
This card has to be my MVP in my Prossh deck. Anyone else have a mundane card that whoops ass in your brew?
>>47402658
When I started playing the format I thought Armageddon and MLD was "feelbad" but the more I play the more I see its importance. It's one of the only ways to combat strategies and have aggressive decks undermine control and ramp.
>>47401714
Tooth and Nail is hardly banworthy. Realistically you're building up to 9 mana and the fact no one has an answer is just a bad on your playgroup. Avenger + Choof is hardly the "instant table kill" if your board is rather weak. You can probably alpha strike 1-2 players but that's about it. It's better when you tutor for creature combos like Mike and Trike but still, 9 mana is 9 mana. If you just lose to your opponent sitting on nothing and just casting Tooth and Nail then it's your fault for your deck being totally uninteractive.
>>47404481
I don't get mad, I just get bummed out. I have ways to remove her but I'm stuck until I get one of the ways to do so. The dream is to use Mindslaver on the Iona player's turn, then cast Scour from Existence to exile Iona forever
Monocolored is fun anyway
>>47404643
The problem with T+N is that outside of a few niche cards the only way to counter it is to be playing blue.
>>47404567
This stupid little card. I throw it in any deck I can. Strangely, it manages to be in my opening hand 8/10 games, probably making me think it's so much better than it is. In my Brago deck, I just mass mill my friends away because nobody still brings any removal after fuck knows how many times I've landed this card.
>>47404567
Almost every EDH deck should be running this to be honest.
>>47404874
I have managed to kill the entire table using Bosh's ability with this card
>>47404195
Ashnods altar'd my 2/2 elementals and 5/5 elementals for damage to play more elementals to sac for more mana. I sacced 15 on that turn.
>>47404566
I don't play Iona tho. Nor do I complain about her.
>>47404828
Holy hell, token decks could mill people out instantly. Nice card.
HNNNNNNG
>>47406003
was going to ask if anyone was watching the EM spoilers.
There is some kickass stuff i want to throw into some decks.
Even more HNNNNNNNG
I am very happy as a heavy red player
>Sylvan library reprint announced
>price is already at $16
Ffffuck I should've sold my copy beforehand
>>47404566
>Doesn't play commander enough to know turn 4 is when people start winnning
YO
>>47406331
>T1 Land, Ring, Crypt, Smokestack
>>47406331
>>47406003
>Mythic
Shit, it's going to do nothing to the current prices. Fuck collectors and "investors"
>>47402668
Congratulations.
>>47406434
OH FUUUCK YES
Also what happened mid-2014 for that spike? Did Sneak and Show put in work or something?
>>47406331
Source? I haven't actually seen this anywhere as a spoiler
![115434_200w[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SPbPkza.jpg "115434_200w[1].jpg")
So I drafted Odric, Lunarch Marshall the other day. I'm not a commander player at all, but a few friends are and I was considering slapping together a budget deck ( less than $20 ) for him. Feasible for a monowhite commander deck?
I also have Jhoira tucked away somewhere, so she's another option, but my friends mostly play kitchen table commander, and nobody's deck is anything particularly special.
>>47406362
>Smokestack
>>47406499
Face to Face Games Toronto's Facebook page put it up and yanked it within minutes, someone imgur'd the image.
>>47406530
Go for it. He looks like tons of fun.
>>47403096
Admittedly, a lot of people ARE not a threat despite them having 20 lands turn 5.
I want it to be understood that people who run Gilded Lotus and Mana Crypt and whatnot just so they can Armageddon and keep playing the game are doing something mean. You can say "well, suck it up" and I'll give you that. But you can't say it is casual.
>>47406287
>I like to make assumptions when I get called out
See I can do idiotic greentext too.
>>47406331
Don't bother. It's getting banned next update. ONLY reason its not already is becuase scarcity.
>>47406937
I'm saying your play group is bad, and you're a bad player if your bitching about cards, especially creatures, Iona isn't even the worst thing in edh
>>47407028
Trying to say you know my play group is really sad. I'm sorry, you probably got kicked out of your old group for acting like such a faggot. Not everybody likes to instsnt win because I stack my deck, now continue to cry on about Iona I seriously don't give a fuck.
Is it bad that I don't really care about Crypt? I'd rather run Vault. Sure it's not free, but it taps for 3, only pops for 1 damage and if I'm satisfied with my board state I'll pay to untap it
>>47407336
I don't care about Crypt either, but that's because I hate fast mana.
>>47407336
Alot of people prefer vault over crypt, not a big deal really.
>>47407200
Iona isn't an instant win though.
Not him, but you seem really salty, and how is he actually acting like a faggot exactly? He only said his opinion about a big dumb creature.
>>47407200
>Triggered
>>47407336
I don't either, but if I get it, I'm running it. It's basically better sol ring with extremely small print.
>>47407436
>outfuckingskilled
>>47407405
I'm not salty, he's the one starting shit.
Stupid question timeIs your autism forcing you to play only with foil commander cards
>>47407507
Nope. Only 3 of my 22 commanders are foil.
>>47407603
Heck, some of my generals are on the reserved list so they may never be foil
Sand Warriors are fun
>>47404769
Not true at all
How does somebody win with tooth and nail? They get an infinite combo made of two creatures
How do you stop such an infinite combo? You kill one or both of the creatures
Every color can do this
>>47406389
Mana Crypt is preordering at $60 on SCG.
You were saying?
>>47407507
Ephara has the absolute worst foil ever
Hardly any shiny parts
>>47407507
No, but I like shiny cards overall, and rather get them than nonfoils. Of course all depends on the price and the art and all.
The foil commanders I have are Stoutarm, Vorel, Bladewing (ftv foil) and unfinished Tariel and Rith (both also ftv). I have nonfoil Hanna, Sedris, Wrexial, Skittles, Memnarch, Ghave and Gitfrog.
That being said, I would like judgefoil Hanna, foil Memnarch, Skittles and Ghave, if there was a foil for him.
>>47407645
I think there are actually combos that win even if you try to kill one of the dudes.
And some colors do struggle with killing a dude, Green has Beast Within and some fight cards, but it is tough.
>>47407692
But the parts that look shiny look great.
>Foil Keranos is $90
>>47407692
which is a shame as I think she easily has some of the best artwork of the gods
>>47407727
I've never seen a combo like that, unless you mean that they can answer your answer with another card and keep their combo going
In which case that's fine, somebody plays tooth and nail with enough back up to stop a whole table of answers they deserve to win
>>47407810
Jared + Phyrexian Devourer or Rasputin Dreamweaver + Eldrazi Displaced can keep combing off in response to removal if they have mana. I'm sure there are some others.
>>47407982
Remember we were talking about tooth and nail combos, it's different if they have a full mana pool when the combo comes out
The Jarad combo requires another 3 mana, but yeah that's true it can't be stopped by removal
Rasputin + eldrazi displacer also costs 3 extra mana and 6 extra if you want to respond to removal
>>47408168
Rasputin gives you 2 activations from his counters when he enters. It's fine as a tooth and nail combo.
Also there are other answers to tooth and nail combos besides counterspells and kill spells, there are also hate bears and enchantments
>>47408220
Oh I gotcha yeah nvm that one makes sense
Need to have some preemptive plan to stop that one or they have infinite mana
>>47408168
Also you said
>I've never seen a combo like that.
I was just letting you know some exist.
>>47408226
Depends on the combo. Green has the hardest time dealing with it I believe. But true, a Rest in Peace or Samurai of the Pale Curtain is a nice elegant solution to the most common combo.
A scooze can do it, but there's not a lot of similar cards. Ground Seal is pretty bad in that it does not stop Mike/Trike and shuts down your regrowths.
Colorless graveyard hate is plenty, but there are nongraveyard based T&N combos. I dunno, I'm a turbo scrub so if someone casts T&N, I sometimes have an answer, sometimes don't, but either way I don't usually play a second game with them.
>>47407692
Athreos's foil is pretty terrible as well
> go into lgs
> all they have is displays for memedern and standard
I want to get my play group into edh but we are severely limited on commanders.
Is getting precons usually the best route to go? I hate those giant fucking cards.
>>47409275
You know the precons have normal sized commanders too, right? No one is forcing you to use the oversized ones.
>>47409326
Oh, good to know.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/talrand-100-control/?cat=type
Is no-sorcery talrand a dumb idea?
>>47406674
What if instead of doing that, Iplay Avacynbefore Armaggedon?
>>47407507
>mfw there will be no foils of C15 exclusive commanders
>>47409405
You can always hope for judge foils.
>I'll never use my judge foil Nekusar because I'll never like Nekusar
>>47409369
Seems fine. I would drop the bonded fetch for a rhystic study or something. You're in mono blue, all the best card draw in there.
>>47409375
Well, at least that requires 12 mana.
I'd still be incredibly pissy and probably make you play it out. Of course, if someone has a swords or path, the game continues, but in my monogreen deck, my only answer to Avacyn at the moment is Duplicant, nothing instant speed.
>>47409594
What is there to play out? I play Avacyn, then I play Armageddon.
>>47409634
I meant I won't scoop just because I have no permanents in play and you do. Some people would.
>>47409651
Then you're a good player. I mean, I can imagine scooping to that if I had limited time and wanted to get the next round started, but why else would someone scoop? Is their deck not good enough to come back? Did they have 0 board presence?
>>47409690
People tend to get really salty over MLD, regardless of whether they think they can come back or not. Tends to lead to scoops in some groups.
>>47409547
I'm 80 cents below my $100 cap.
>>47409784
Ohh. Didn't see that mentioned. I'm sure there's some other budget replacement. I just don't like looting without some graveyard shenanigans.
>>47409820
replaced it with Circular logic, more countermagic's always good
>>47409773
Well, for example, I was playing with a new group on Saturday, and we were a little short on time, so when shit like 20 Angry Omnath tokens or Contamination+Bitterblossom happened, we all just scooped and got to play three games instead of one. You're definitely right about salty scooping, though.
>>47409690
I mean, most of my decks probably can't handle it unless I get ignored. Though I've definitely had games where MLD happens and I eventually get my board state back because well, I'm no threat clearly.
Honestly, I am a super salty bitch about EDH. I don't scoop because A. Either they are playing a super fun deck with neat interactions that I want to see and have the deck builder show off a bit or B. They locked down the game and it is miserable, but if I keep playing, they'll see how miserable it is and maybe decide to change up their deck.
Again, turbo scrub. It has worked a few times though. People usually make their decks weaker after a few games in my playgroups without me having to enforce anything. I try to keep cool though, not be obnoxious about it. Different people like different types of MTG, which is fine.
>>47410005
>Honestly, I am a super salty bitch about EDH
Nigga why play if you're gonna be a salt mine on legs
>>47410005
>>47410225
not the poster, but some things trigger the saltflood and scoop
Nothing pisses me off more then warp world, OR The great fucking Aurora.
I like my games to end at some point, but these cards tend to do nothing but draw it out
>>47409405
I want a foil Kalemne so hard
>>47406003
>no flavor text
3/10
>>47404874
Might have to include this in Teysa. I've been looking for more equipment for SFM to hunt.
>>47406530
Get as many cheap creatures with double strike, flying, and indestructible as you can. Life link and vigilance are alright. Unfortunately, most of his other keywords aren't great.
>>47410525
>Foil Anya
>>47410225
I have my niche. The good games of EDH make up for every bad one. I can't jump into a random group of strangers for a game, but I play with friends mostly, so it isn't a problem.
>>47410502
I've actually been considering Great Aurora as a wrath in my monogreen deck. O-Stone and Disk doesn't seem to be cutting it.
>I am the only person in my group who runs rocks
>don't have to worry about Spree or Vandalblast
>can run LD with no fear of falling behind
FUNI don't drop land destruction just to do it though, I'm not a dick like that
>>47410755
remember great aurora effects all permanents, and hands
So its a teensy bit different then most wrath
>>47410502
really? ive never seen somebody cast the great aurora and not immediately win
warp world i completely agree though
>>47410974
how does someone win immediately after a great aurora?
Since you lose your hand with great Aurora, do they always draw a victory condition with it?
>>47404874
Azami lady of scrolls loves this.
>>47411034
ive only seen it run in a prossh token deck
once the great aurora resolves they have 10+ untapped lands in play and a hand of 10+ cards, at that point you'd have more trouble finding a hand of 10 cards that DOESNT win the game immediately
however i dont necessarily think the great aurora is an extremely powerful card i just think its one way, among many to capitalize on a ridiculous prossh board state
one very powerful aspect of the card is that it also fucks with everybody else's hands, and they likely arent token decks either so the overall number of cards they get is way lower, so the likelihood that they drew into enough control options and untapped lands is way less than the odds the prossh player drew into everything he needs
>>47403831
>>47405301
It's hilariously broken if used in conjunction with Undead Alchemist, a particularly fat zombie creature (say a 5/5) and Aqueous Form to ensure the damage goes through. I've had one attack go through for 7 and proceeded to deck 3 opponents at once from that loop, the mahoosive blob of zombies it spawns is helpful too
>>47411493
Eh, stick a Knight Exemplar down with him, not so fragile then
>>47411810
Not your commander then is he?
>>47411810
I would like to know what EDH rules you are using in which Knight Exemplar is allowed in a monored deck
>>47410920
Well, you're very likely to get lands, so that should hopefully not fuck too many people over.
>>47405301
>>47404828
I really want to run this card with Selesnya or soldiers right now
>>47401304
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
fuck him so hard with a razor dildo
in retrospect, if i exile as he attacks, does the trigger happen?
>>47412183
if he attacks the trigger goes on the stack. You can exile him, but the trigger will still be there, and will resolve regardless of his state.
You have to remove him before he can attack.
>>47412183
Just Stifle or Trickbind the attack trigger my nigga
>>47412240
Alternatively, you could Time Stop and exile the trigger
Granted, it's a short-term solution but it's something
>>47412260
running white green, no access to either of those
>>47412405
Just exile him before he attacks.
>>47412405
yeah, if you think hes going to be a problem, just exile at the end of Main phase 1.
>>47412405
OR
If you cant remove him, just prevent the player from having a combat phase.
Moment of silence, or card related
>>47412405
You have all of white's best removal accessible, use it. Swords, Path, Oblation, even Selesnya Charm
what are some underrated commanders? just saw this guy and the cards that would make up his deck seem like a blast.
http://edhrec.com/commander/Mistform%20Ultimus/
alright, considering suggestions for what to cut for what suite of exile.
considering vorinclex for angel of the dire hour, what else should i remove for the rest in the maybe board?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ride-the-sky-and-carry-heavy-sticks/
>>47412405
Turn Ulamog into a land with Song of the Dryads
Anyone have any experience with Mind Slash? I'm wanting some more hand disruption/protection in a MBC list to preemptively deal with blue based control decks. The fact that it's a sac outlet and therefore a combo piece is gravy.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chainer-dementia-master-of-dementia/
current general.
>>47413054
Fuck you.
What is the most cancerous color in EDH and why is it blue?
>>47413121
>>47412990
I prefer quantity over quality. Casting cost is a little much but once its on the field, you can probably get more out of it since its free
If I wanted to run a dragon themed Jhoira of the Ghitu EDH deck, are there anyfuncards to be aware of or choice combos to roll out?
>>47413186
I see now why that one anon was saying he feels sorry i'm playing mono white when i pulled up my heliod deck for questions. [/spoiler] should i just change it to ephara? I just made a mono blue thassa deck too [/spoiler]
>>47413220
I'm specifically looking for targeted discard to clear the way before attempting to combo out or otherwise cast a big splashy game-winning spell. Sadistic Hypnotist might be able to get there but I'd rather get rid of problematic spells on the first try. It is on theme, though.
>>47413054
Do you go straight for Master of Cruelties 1v1? What about multiplayer?
Kaalia is kind of bland, there needs to be more to her.
>>47413311
>>47413220
both mind slash and sadistic hypnotist are good choices, i think having both is good
>>47413305
>end spoilered both of my spoilers
fuck me i've fucked spoilers before but not this bad.
>>47413362
Ctrl-S my dude
>>47413327
whats bland about a unique commander that supports 3 difficult to use tribes in the least used tri-color combination?
i think you meant to say "overused" or too "on the nose", kaalia is one of those commanders thats super specific, it does one thing
>>47413327
>Do you go straight for Master of Cruelties 1v1?
Oh god no, that's just no fun
>What about multiplayer?
I try not to bust out Iona if I can help it and I do run things like, Moat, Chains of Mephistopheles and Neither Void along with grave manipulation with hell's caretaker.
I only bring out kaalia a few times in multi and do necro shit because she always get killed as soon as she drops. Even when I try lightning greaves/swiftfoot boots.
>>47413372oh shit look at that.
>>47413408
>Moat
>Chains of Mephistopheles
>Neither Void
Richfag detected.
>>47413408
I see no problem with Master of Cruelties if you are already running Moat
>>47413349
I suppose I could run both, but I already run Mind Twist, Mind Sludge, Myojin of Night's Reach, and Mindslicer. The alternative is running stuff like Duress or Thoughtseize, which I suspect are underrated in EDH despite the card disadvantage.
>>47413452
nope, just been playing since 1998 or so. Skipped pokemans as a kid thank fuck.
>>47413455
:^)
this a deck im currently working on http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/23-05-16-glissa-stax/
>>47413408
Good call on Hell's Caretaker. If you run Kaalia in multi be prepared for some ass kickings.
>>47401553
Not even black lotus?
>>47413701
Peace talks, witchbane orb, angelic arbiter, resolute archangel to name some.
Trust me, I know the struggle of multiplayer kaalia, I also have a Animar of Souls so it's all good.
>>47413234
Dragon Storm. Blue really doesn't support dragons though. May I suggest Artaka Big Mana And Dragons or even Bladewing the Arisen Sneak Attack Bullshit.
>>47413966
Yeah, blue is pretty meek there. Dragons of Tarkir added a few utility cards, but we're talking four or five. I will say Icefall Regent is a nice card to have though.
>>47413186
>With it's lack of card advantage
>With it is lack of card advantage
>Green and it's players
>Green and it is players
>>47414212
I didn't write this up, I just reposted after someone uploaded it before me.
Is Lotus Petal worth running at all? Seems decent in artifact recursion
>>47414277
Not in EDH no. Unless you can bring it back alot
Of these 4, what would you say is the worst to play against?
>Chaos
>Group hug
>Pillowfort
>Kingmaker
>>47414307
Chaos can't fucking stand that shit
>>47414307
Chaos, because not only is it annoying as shit but because they usually end up playing kingmaker as well.
>>47413186
>if you play Stax you're a douche
>All monoB decks looks the same
>running burn in EDH
>Every monoG player is assmad about landD
This image is retarded and you should feel bad for posting it
>>47407507
No, but that's because I have an Eric Deschamps alter Hellboy Purphoros.
>>47414307
I feel like Kingmaker is more of a thing that happens instead of a deck archetype, but god damn is it ever annoying when it happens.
But as for archetypes, Group Hug can suck. Bitch I don't WANT your help, your Forced Fruition isn't helping me at all
>>47413186
This makes red sound like the best mono-color to build with
Fun fact:it is
>>47414307
kingmaker isnt a deck type, but if it was, it would be group hug
of those 3
the worst to play against is chaos
group hug is annoying but there are upsides too, its basically turbo magic which can be fun even thoughts its overall not as good as normal magic
pillowfort isnt bad to play against at all, its like a puzzle figuring out how to penetrate the shields
Belbe's Portal or Quicksilver Amulet?
>>47414611
Belbe for tribal
Everything else that is fattie Amulet
>>47414684
Belbe's it is! I'm makingDragons
>Mana Crypt available for preorder at $60
>tons of shitters will get hold of Mana Crypt and shove it into every EDH deck ever
>Sheldon will never ban fast mana
>>47414694
Then both.
>>47414711
You never know. Might be the push Crypt needs to eat a ban.
>>47414694
Don't forget Dragonspeaker Shaman, Dragonlord's Servant and Urza's IncubatorSo am I anon. Who is your general? Mine is pictured.
>>47414752
I like to go fast until I run out of gas or hit a wall and explode
>>47414744
Then we better see Sol Ring go the same way too.
>>47414799
I would like to include him in my 99 for Atarka one day.
Though I feel like I need the combo cards with him but that would only be useful if he was my general itself.
>>47414852
Being able to grab Hoarding Dragon as a blocker against a deathtoucher or something, and get Sundial seems pretty excellent
I'm gonna have a grand old time with this deck
Alright fuckers here's my first draft at a Zirilan deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dragon-cannon-3/
I could use some critiques. I'm not running a shitload of artifacts because my group actually tasked me with building something that doesn't have an artifact-centric strategy (last 3 decks have been artifacts)
What stays? What goes?
>>47414799
You need so many more mana rocks than you currently run, anon, since dragons are hungry and like mana.
Dragons are also scary and eat removal a lot, and with that being the case, you need card draw that will get you more threats in hand, especially since Zirilian is going to die a lot.
To be especially tricky, I'd recommend
>Knollspine Dragon
>Wheel of fortune
>any number of little mana rocks
I know you said you don't want to run rocks, but having mana to cast your creatures is sure as fuck not "artifact centric," it's just playing fuckin EDH.
>cutting the shittier dragons
Honestly, stuff like Shivan Dragon is cute, but you just won't see a good moment to play him. He'll pale in comparison to your good dragons, and you're sure as fuck not digging him out with Zirilian.
Also, where the fuck is your Hellkite Tyrant?
>>47407507
I have a foiled memnarch, kami, and ulamog.
I have an extended border experiment kraj and tsabo tavoc.
I have a foiled aboshan.
I've only had one foil curl on me, and it came in the mail curled. It was a dream fracture. Just double sleeve, as long as you don't live in Florida you'll be fine
>>47415259
Oh believe me, it's not that I don't want to run rocks, it's just that my group is starting to hate seeing mono-brown on my side of the table because it kicks their ass. They barely run any themselves, and it's a low-power setting so there's not a ton of removal
That said, I do appreciate the input, I made some room for the stuff you suggested
>tfw your deck opens so perfectly that you instantly turn into a supervillain that everyone else tries to take down
>tfw they still fail
There is no greater feel
>>47415259
>>47415447
Oh also no Hellkite Tyrant because I am the only player that really uses artifacts
Are group hug players the equivalent of an mmo heal slut?
>>47416193
No, they're the guy who thinks it's really funny to pull the entire dungeon at once.
>see Eternal Master Spoilers
>shit is preordering $60, $70, $80+
>$350 boxes
>$15 packs
Well, shits still soul crushingly expensive. Guess I can go back to ignoring spoilers.
>>47413735
it's already banned
>>47414711
Why? The only reason i play this format is for broken nonsense
>>47401196
>playing iona
>rest of table is shirei, kisan, 8 1/2 tails
>mfw>>47401304
>>47401196
Mono color git gud.
People load their deck with infinite combos then complain that my Iona in a creature-centric deck is unfun.
>>47416955
exactly
How would I go about making the most expensive 5 color EDH deck possible (based on non foil/promo prices)? Needs a minimum of 30 lands.
>>47415637
>tfw you miss land drops and have 2 lands 0 spells cast on turn 5, yet still win because everybody was focused on stopping the people with quick starts
i've been looking into building a deck around arjun, something more janky than what I normally run. recommendations? fun shit that happened from playing?
>>47418033
i feel like tomorrow, azami's familiar would be both insanely good with arjun and also insanely tedious to resolve
>>47417841
Alpha Duals, every card that was printed in Alpha is an Alpha copy.
>>47411563
Oh boy, this.
The amount of times I've had a turn 1 sol ring into Altar, then turn two slam down undead alchemist and either winning, or milling 2/3rds of my opponents deck is what makes me still play my slow as dicks Grimgrin deck
>>47418033
Dreamhalls.dek
What are some fun and underrated commanders? Never played the format and kinda overwhelmed by choices.
>>47419344
Thelon af Havenwood
Brimaz, King of Oreskos
Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Ixidor, Reality Sculptor
Both Isperias
Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
>>47419536
literally kill yourself
>>47419567
that was awfully harsh
im not a big fan of kolaghan or ixidor either but his choices werent awful
>>47419344
Triad of Fates
>>47419567
don't be a hater, dear
>>47419344
Someone posted this a long time ago and I saved it.
Looks reasonably fun.
>>47419796
>5 mana enchantments
>>47419840
Sure, it's not like you can take advantage of them with something like Nykthos or Fanatic of Mogis.
>>47412762
Great sable stag isn't super impressive, evolution charm isn't bad but not amazing either
I don't like cradle of vitality much, quite a bit of mana and other spells/effects you have to invest just for some 1/1 counters
>>47403831
Sidisi Ad Nauseam combo, about 60 pieces of mana, a tutor package, some combination of duress iok cabal therapy thoughseize to make sure the coast is clear and dark sphere+lethal sickening dreams as the only wincon, can go off t1 with the nuts.
How is Zur not banned? Every time my friends and I make edh decks he dumpsters everyone.
Post 'em & r8
also holy shit gitrog is so fun I don't know why I'm not seeing more of him. Don't even have a crucible and its working fantastically
>>47415178
>>47415178
pls help
>>47401641
what the heck is so good about Necropotence?
>>47420168
It draws you cards?
>>47420168
It's essentially "Pay 1 life: Draw a card at the beginning of your next end step"
Which is very strong
>>47420020
He's only broken if you intend for him to be broken :^) - Rules committee
>>47420036
>6/6 deathtoucher
>Unexpectedly good wincon
>>47420036
>>47420615
well shit, I messed that up pretty badly
>>47420168
Apparently cards win games. You realize that's the reason why YagBar is banned along with Grizzly Brand? Necro is slightly worse than they are, as they both draw instant speed and don't have the drawback about discard.
>Sylvan Library dived from $25 to $18 after EMA spoilers
Time to buy one.
>>47419344
I just finished my Wort, the Raidmother deck.
Ramp and tokens everywhere. Fun as fuck.
>>47420036
>>47421278
>Bought a Sneak Attack like a week before it was spoiled
Fuck
>>47420036
WHITE- Me, I pilot Geist with equipment and some auras, the deck is mostly blue heavy and uses a lot of countermagic. People get pissy playing against me, but it's really easy to fuck him over with sac and wipes. Also have a Teysa which is getting scavenged for cards.
YELLOW- Hates blue, which I love, and builds his decks around that. I have some trouble against Uril, but otherwise a fairly solid opponent, the Ayli deck is very boring however with basic lifegain and stuff, does almost nothing but sit on a million hp. ZURGO SMASH.
ORANGE- Johnny: The Player. This guy changes decks, and uses all sorts of janky shit but he pulls it off most of the time. Has insane amounts of junk at home, probably more than he would ever need. His Karador is built as a reanimator, Bruna is just filled with strange auras and shit, almost no counterspells.
RED- The oldest player, his Kaalia is insanely expensive, fully foiled and basically a nightmare to play against. Very much the definition of a Spike player. The Merieke deck is the most boring piece of trash to ever exist you concede becase of the sheer lack of interaction. He's a good person at least.
PINK- Thrax.dec with a zombie subtheme. Good player, extremely unlucky however.
BLUE- The saltiest fucker to ever walk this earth, annoying to play against, spends ungodly amounts of money on cards to create some rogue decks which almost always under-perform and then complains about it. Never won against my Geist. His Nekusar is built on infect.
GREEN - Anafenza is basically good-stuff and tokens/counters, performs fairly well, the Jenara is subpar because its not finished.
>>47407507
Yes, all my commanders are foil and I chose commanders exclusively on whether I can get them in foil or not.
I also have two near-complete foiled decks and one WIP foiling (got most of the expensive cards but now I need stupid shit like basic lands).
