Grav is strong edition
>Rules databases
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https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
First for 45 point d thirsters
>>47102740
>no shit edition
>>47102799
Both weapons on a burning chariot are garbage if you jink, you should be buffing its invuln save if it's likely to take any fire
Man, 7th Edition is the best thing to happen to Dark Angels. With new FAQ, my Dark Talons will be one-shotting enemy aircraft if dice don't fail me.
FMC can't Vector Strike if they Jink, but can the Heldrake?
>>47102721
It's going to be 5++, trust me.
>>47102853
But dice rarely dont fail
>>47102857
Did it jink?
Yes: then no, it can't
No: then yes, it can.
>>47102911
Why not? The Heldrake isn't a FMC and nothing else seems to prevent it from doing so.
>>47102853
I haven't seen the new rules, can you elaborate ? I can always kick myself for fielding one.
>>47102740
Where can I kind the IG formation that gives cover to Infantry Squads near Russes?
I thought it was in the Cadia one, but I was wrong.
I've think I've found a way to fix dark eldar.
Give them a detachment which just requires fast attack and gives their fast attack OpSec.
fliers, scourges, and jetbikes. Maybe some heavy support choices.
>>47103015
It is the start collexting box.
What's the shit about Jink being nerfed?
>>47102740
Still the wrong image.
>>47102975
>Passengers inside jinking transports were nerfed.
Which is what the burning chariot exploited to not die.
>>47103015
It's called the Armoured Shield, if you need rules for it I have the pamphlet in the box somewhere
Searchable FAQ Draft PDF.
>>47103033
If a vehicle jinks all it's passengers fire snapshots.
>>47103033
passengers inside jinking transports count as jinking too (so oddly they get a coversave if their transport is destroyed) and must snap shot
>>47103049
burnign chariot still has an invuln save. and chariot riders got buffed.
Overall the burning chariot is better after the faq.
>>47103049
really? I thought the burning chariot exploited cursed earth not to die.
chariots never had passengers anyway. The rider and chariot is one model
>>47103032
Ah. I don't have the box.
>>47103063
If you could post it, that would be awesome.
>>47103070
Ouch.
I was thinking about picking up DEldar. I might put them on the back burner for a while.
>>47103089
>able to get cursed earth off reliably
What's your secret?
>>47103114
9 units generating daemonology. Don't think I've ever had a game where I didn't get cursed earth
>>47103114
Tzeentch daemons, fateweaver, decurion bonuses, lord of unreality, grimoire, the usual suspects y'know
>>47103114
spam demonology horrors. If not cursed earth, sub for summoning. if cursed earth, deploy near chariot.
watch tournament match go to time because each of your psykic phases takes half an hour to resolve.
>>47103111
There are other ways to play dark eldar other than venom spam. Jetbike and MC spam work well too.
>>47103091
Not sure if anyone put these in the MEGA
>>47103182
but if the list isn't unbound you've got 2 worthless troops, and heavy limits on you jetbike and MC spaming.
hence my suggestion >>47103028
>>47103236
Thanks m8.
I didn't see them in the MEGA, but I might just be blind.
>>47103244
You always need some shitters objective holding and all MCs are only worth bringing in formations anyway so it's not a big deal really.
>>47103182
I really like the look of Raider spam though.
Are the MC any good? They seemed sort of unimpressive.
>>47103009
Pieplate attacks can be used against aircraft now if the unit also has skyfire.
>>47102997
Just die.
>>47103236
what the hell is "1 infantry squad"?
>>47103273
but those shitters are shit at objective holding, and shit at all else.
Give there FA options obsec, and now they can get and hold objectives and actually do things.
>>47103306
but they can't hit.
>>47103306
they can target it, but they still can't hit it.
>>47103336
Read the codex. Its your basic troop unit.
>>47103366
No, it isnt. Guard's troop choices are veteran squads or infantry platoons. "infantry squad" ain't a thing.
>>47103351
>>47103359
Nope, they can hit it now.
>>47103366
In his defense, it's one part of a Platoon, which is the basic troop unit.
>>47103398
troop unit =/= troop choice you big, dumb, retard.
>>47103276
They are unimpressive until you put them in formations. Corpsethief Claw and Dark Artisan are the best in my opinion.
Corpsethief is 5 Talos as a single unit, gives you scout which is sweet for a slow unit. It's a tough deathstar which is relatively shooty on its way to close combat.
Dark Artisan is a Talon, Cronos and haemonculus in a single unit which run along with T7 and a 3+ FNP rerolling 1s if you put the haemonculus infront. If you can get it to outflank it's glorious, but even without it can tank just about anything.
>>47103336
Its a gaurdsmen squad from an infantry platoon, just without the rest of the platoon. Remember that they have different wargear restrictions from veterans.
>>47103407
did that get updated from draft 1. because draft 1 said no.
>>47103407
>>47103469
I think the confusion is that one question says "can skyfire blasts target fliers - yes" and another is "can fliers get hit by blasts - no"
so you can target fliers with skyfire blasts all you want, but they wont be hit
>>47103398
You aren't very smart are you?
>>47103495
The FAQ only specifies swooping flying monstrous creatures as immune to being hit by blasts.
>>47103495
My interpretation is that the second question refers to blast without skyfire, IE just regular blasts in general
And this is why its a first draft, I hope they know about this by now
>>47103518
>>47103521
Not gonna go either way (personally we house ruled the FMC "hard to hit" rule to be indentical to fliers, but here is the copy/paste of the FAQ
Q: Do Blast weapons hit Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures?
A: No.
Q: Can a Swooping Flying Monstrous Creature or Zooming Flyer be targeted by a Blast or Template weapon with the Skyfire special rule?
A: Yes.
no conditionals in there. Hard and fast RAW it looks like you can target (with skyfire) but not hit
>>47103067
>Q: How does a Gargantuan Creature move through difficult terrain? A previous official FAQ clarified
that a Super-heavy Walker rolls 2D6 and doubles the highest result, but said nothing about
Gargantuan Creatures.
>A: Roll 3D6 (due to the Move Through Cover special rule) and double the highest result.
Thank god, nice to see Hierodules getting some leeway
What does it feel like inside a mucolid spore?
>>47103634
This should not become a thing. Please stop
>>47103634
Vore feticist love it.
>>47103661
search your feelings, you know you want it
>>47103634
stop
>>47103608
FMC anyways. The first question says nothing about zooming fliers
>>47103676
Cramped, just like in a rhino.We ace ventura now
>>47103608
My interpretation was that it's written to imply that skyfire can target and hit, but non-skyfire can only target and hope to scatter onto something else.
First draft, etc.
>>47103634
>>47103698
i'm with this guy
>>47103608
You can target with templates and blasts, but the blasts don't hit.
Therefore the templates hit.
>>47103698
Yeah, thats the most likely explanation, especially considring RAW skyfire blasts can hit FMCs
>>47103634
Sensation is...
...
Sporadic.
Hey /tg/! I just finished with blood angels and wondered if i should buy some nids as im trying to venture out into xeno territory.
>>47103785
You're a glutton for punishment, I see.
>>47103634
Only Deathleaper's Fangirl's boyfriend knows the answer to that
>>47103797
So deldar then?
>>47103785
Is buying the army that will literally squat your original army a form of cuckoldry?
So what are Skitarii supposed to do now without access to pods? Take rhinos and start on the table? Die in droves while slogging through Eldar guns? Stay on the shelf?
>>47103398
Then the commander said "What's an Infantry squad?"
>>47103927
Take their free wargear, plentiful good quality weapons and imperial knight and run roughshod over everything but Eldar?
>>47103927
stay in the back as support for your vehicles. be played in more fun casual environments.
Be in war covenant where you don't need the drop pods.
>>47103927
Ally in cheap inquisitors and get both Psykers and cheap chimeras
>>47103927
stop trying to out-faggot the WAAC crew and play with regular people?
>>47103927
Wait for our third codex to drop. Until then just start your manz behind rhinos. They can get in and drive away turn 1.
>Immolator no longer available from store
>Can't ally in drop pods
How am I supposed to play SoB, again..?
>>47104057
Who?
>>47103997
It's a hypothetical, I don't even play :^)
>>47104057
SM rhinos with heavy flamer turrets counts as.
>>47104057
Who?
>>47104078
Daughters of Conflict
Wait for the rework thats coming soon (trademarkl)
>>47104078
sons of bitches.
>>47104114
You mean the preorder of the completed FAQ book?
>>47104078
Sons of Baal
Can I actually put a coverted looted ork baneblade in the table in an apocalypse match?
Or is something seen as a dick move?
>>47104209
In the GW Apoc book, they give you the go ahead to loot other players datasheets and heavy vehicles.
In fact, one of their Super Heavies is a looted Bane Blade (not the same stat wise however).
>>47104078
>>47104100
[TYRANIDS DETECTED]
>>47104209
The apocalypse book actually have a rule for that, any big units in the book can be converted for other armies and it gives fluff examples for a few. GW still likes nice conversions and stuff when you're dropping around £100 on each model.
>>47104078
Siblings of Baking
>>47104255
>>47104241
Cool
Then I might start working on it, always loved the Baneblade model
>>47103927
Waaco's BTFO by this update.
keep it coming, GW.
>>47104255
Especially with that contest on the website where if you buy up to $85 worth and write them a little letter and you can win the army of your dreams
>>47104318
Eldar and Tau WAACs got buffed, non space marine imperials got nerfed.
>>47104318
Enjoy getting beat even harder by Eldar and Tau greaser man :^)
>>47103608
Neither of these say anything about blasts not being able to hit flyers, only FMC.
>>47104356
>>47104380
how did tau get buffed?
>>47104057
>How am I supposed to play SoB, again..?
You don't, you jus wait for the inevitable.
>>47103661
>she doesn't want to get swallowed by a tyranid
Tau WAAC player detected
The further back you go, the hotter Daemonettes get.
So why are SoB getting squated? They seem popular enough
>>47104356
Whatever. Stormsturge overwatch doesn't matter and Tau in general aren't a big deal.
Eldar will always stomp everyone's shit so buffing them is almost pointless. but -every- Skitarii faggot pulled that drop-pod nonsense. Now BTFO for good
>>47104380
>Shitari main detected
>>47104057
20-sister mobs with attached priests and Exorcist support, DUH. You'll find enough Immolators for your Dominions on ebay.
>>47104405
Other armies that were high tier got nerfed, whereas Tau escaped unscathed, so from a base-line they improved.
Tau also benefit the most from the change allowing Skyfire blast weapons to target Flyers and Swooping FMC. GW's contradictory rules then make it questionable whether FMC can then be wounded by them but if they clarify that it's a win for Tau since they have by far the most access to Skyfire Blast.
>>47103465
Why would you outflank a Dark Artisan when you can get a webway portal on them and have no scatter deepstrike? Webway portal is practically mandatory for that formation.
>>47104356
eldar didn't get that much of a buff. The d thing is kinda stupid, but taking d hits to the waveserpent was not a major problem that eldar were facing.
Non-waac eldar actually took some hits as hawks lost a lot of value, and dragons lost some too.
>>47104446
>all those skitareeee players with their now defunct drop pods.
makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
>>47104437
Well, not all of us like daemonettes with big meaty claws.
>>47104521
Good, I need cheap drop pods and this is a siren song for my ears.
>>47104405
Everyone else except Crons, Eldar, Marines got weaker
>>47104446
>Shitari main
people who treat the tabletop like a vidyageam need to die
>>47104580
Cron fliers took a huge hit recently, now there is no good Cron AA
>>47104446
All these (You)s, what a beautiful sight
>>47104580
Daemons got nothing but buffs
Why does everyone forget daemons are a great codex?
I'm hearing Tau and Eldar got buffed in this FAQ. Can someone tell me how because all I'm seeing is nerfs
>>47104637
cause I feel like most people don't like how they play or don't like the models.
>>47104637
because the most powerful list is about the worst possible things to play against.
Having all your army blown away, or not being able to shoot a unit down are fairly painless compaired to spending 20 minutes every round watching your opponent go through their summoning.
>>47104669
tau didn't get buffed. It's just that DE and Orks got nerfed. tau actually can't kill walkers with their god damn haywire firewarriors now.
>>47104669
eldar: serpent shields can reduce a d hit to a one hp glance.
It's a buff, but it's also a thing that very rarely comes up.
tau: depending on how the faq is clarified, their skyfire blasts can take down fliers.
>>47104719
>tau actually can't kill walkers with their god damn haywire firewarriors now.
As it should be.
>Does the ability to re-roll ones allow you to re-roll the scatter dice?
>No
Should have answered:
>Pick up your scatter dice. You do own a copy of the game right? Ok, just checking. Now, show me the "1" on the Scatter Dice. I won't hold my breath. Can't find it? Exactly, there is no "1" on the Scatter Dice YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER!
Why haven't you developed a story for your armies yet?
>>47104739
What Skyfire blasts do Tau have that are better than just using normal guns?
>>47104669
Long story short: skyfire blasts and templates can now hit fliers. D weapons can be downgraded to glances by any mechanics (serpent shield), and gargantuan creatures are confirmed for shooting all guns, but they have to announce all shots at once.
Between all the changes and the new skies of death it'll be hard to sort out instantaneously who got buffs and nerfs, there are few obvious benefits and a handful of obvious nerfs though. Daemons for instance, got FMCs landing in gliding and possession summoning any variant of bloodthirster.
>>47104704
I can't disagree that there's anything worse than getting steamrolled by daemons and I play daemons. Army-wide 3++s is definitely beyond frustrating to play against.
>>47104752
It's still on the sprues
>>47104752
cause I play Grey Knights. There's no story that can be developed.
>>47104775
Why not shell out the dough for a fresh new army?
>>47104579
>mfw I have other armies to use my drop pods with
>mfw not selling them to some salty poorfag on the cheap just because skitarii can't use them.
>>47104791
I'm a poor. And I only have around 1200 points of my GK done.
>>47104752
I'm not sure where else to go with them aside from general background stuff
>>47104761
well, if the blast can also hit other things at the same time, riptide s8 ap2 blast blows up most fliers and also blows up a lot of troops at the same time.
>>47104739
>I have a great idea let's give tau the ability to shoot fliers with......blasts
>great! Now let's see....dark eldars, what about them?
>no too powerful this move and shoot while embarking jinking vehicles, let's change jink to also make the embarked troops to shoot snapshots, that'll prevent bullshit shenanigans.
>great everything is good now.
I fucking hate you GW.
>>47104791
Because if he does he'll play Grey Scatbikes so there won't really be a difference
>>47104752
Because the bloodied already have story
>>47104807
Wait....you actually play blood angels? Unironically?
>>47104752
I have. Admittedly I mainly used the existing fluff for the Il-Kaithe craftworld, because my bud who got me into the game likes chaos, and I'd planed to use deldar kits as part of it already.
But I've been developing out the aspect hosts and characters.
Corsair players: Anyone have any rad ideas for a custom Jetbike Princess? I recently got a Reaver off of eBay but the pilot is glued to the bike, so I'm gonna have to do some chopping.
On that note, does ANYONE play Corsairs? I like them because they go fast and aren't BDSM freaks.
>>47104837
while the consequences for deldar sucks, they are also clearly motivated by rules clarification, and all the rulings make sense.
Deldar are fucked by their codex, the faq seems made in good faith.
making an faq and submitting the drafts community review is actually a massively postive move for GW
>>47104887
my buddy plays them, hes currently converting a prince on jetbike with yriel, the great weapon wood elf noble and some other assorted stuff, and is gonna have him basically surfing the jetbike
Well, it seems the new rules faq made Smashfucker all but useless...
I don't know if I'm glad or sad
>>47104867
>no other space marine army can use drop pods.
Are you legit retarded?
So for a freakshow, the cast of players in a raider with two archons is a pretty standard layout.
However, new FAQ ruins this.
What are the alternatives for bringing in the shadowseer to a good position without webway portalled raiders?
>>47104931
all but useless? Smashfucker's basically untouched.
>>47104963
>However, new FAQ ruins this.
How?
>>47104964
Supposedly he's limited to only one Relic now.
>>47104986
Can't start other armies in a BB dedicated transport I thought I read?
Since you can't put things into fleshtearers drop pods either I figured this would count the same?
>>47104990
Smashfucker only ever needed only the Gorgon chains and with the IH detachment is the only thing he needs from the relic section.
>>47104964
This bit here
>>47104752
But I have anon.
They were an Alpha Legion detachment that went renegade after the Warmaster's death. The commander took his soldiers and conquered his home planet (feudal world)
>pic related is his homecoming
>>47105008
>BB dedicated transport
What if you put the raiders in a FA slot?
>>47104931
i truly do not understand you people
smashfucker needs only the gorgons chain and a command squad and libby to be an absolute monster
>>47105008
'Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.'
Relevant question above.
As far as I'm aware, this would restrict putting them in a raider to deep strike? Or does it count as putting them in the raider from reserves after the deployment, allowing you to do it still?
>>47105044
My mistake, meant the FA raiders, not DT.
>>47105055
God 100% this.
Did anyone ever take two relics on him when all he needs is G.chain?
G chain
Command squad
Power fist and lightening claw
Bike
A.armor
Done
>>47105032
I always found the logic of repeating the relic buying process weird anyway.
>>47105099
How so?
>>47105117
Just didn't sit right with me. The whole "a model may swap 1 for 1" thing sounds pretty clear cut.
Burn them all in the name of the Emperor!
CCS
3 flamers
Heavy flamer
Chimera
2 heavy flamers
Infantry platoon:
PCS
3 flamers
Heavy flamer
Chimera
2 heavy flamers
Infantry squad
Infantry squad
Flamer
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Infantry platoon:
PCS
3 flamers
Heavy flamer
Chimera
2 heavy flamers
Infantry squad
Flamer
Infantry squad
Flamer
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Special weapons squad
3 flamers
Hellhound
Heavy flamer
30 flamers, 10 heavy flamers, 1 inferno cannon. 1000 points.
Hey /tg/ I got a question about imperial knights. I'm building an imperial knights army (thinking 5 knights) and I was wondering if it's possible to use forge world titans for 40k instead of horus heresy? Would the rules be compatible and I just need an okay from my opponent or will it just straight up not work?
>>47105099
>>47105117
because he like everyone else thought the wording before was obvious, and can't see how people thought they could take 2 or more relics.
of course, even with the new faq, there have been assholes arguing this doesn't stop them from taking mulitple relics.
And, no, the tau have always specifically said they got 2. so they got 2, and under the new ruling, they can get 2 because the codex specifically says 2.
>>47105144
Mate, prepare for /wh40kg/ to scream at ye for taking 5 knights.
>>47105144
knights aren't titans.
>>47105134
See i didnt see that when i started my army i only saw that only 1 version of. The relic can be used in an army not that only one character can take only one relic
>>47104405
Models that shoot more weapons than normal in the shooting phase now shoot that many time when made to make a shooting attack such as over-watch or interceptor.
So battlesuits can overwatch with both their weapons, as can riptides.
>>47105141
Would this effectively make the enemy shit themselves
>>47105141
Some men just want to see the world burn.
This is an army of these men.
![1462470043848[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aW5DVF5.jpg "1462470043848[1].jpg")
Does the expansion alter the statline of any of the weapons or is everything beside the old rules the same just reprinted ?
I want to buy a knight but I am not sure that 450 points for a walker that will probably get alpha' dis a good idea
>>47105159
>of course, even with the new faq, there have been assholes arguing this doesn't stop them from taking mulitple relics
No one's arguing this. You are literally senile and looking for boogeymen.
>>47105184
no, because the moment any sort of armour gets brought into the equation they can just stay in their MEHTUL BAWKSES and laugh at you
>>47105141
Jokes on you, I'm bringing nothing but tanks
>>47105181
which everyone already played as.
sure there was that one fucker, who was wrong, and everyone told him so. Then the faq came out and confirmed that he was wrong, but according to him it was just a coin toss that decided that, rather than wording of the rules that people had figured out and GW was mearly confirming.
>>47105184
>Highest Strength is 6
>Lowest AP is 4
...no, no it wouldn't.
>>47104752
I have multiple times but I keep debating which one I want to pick since each would have a drastically different paint scheme.
>>47105211
you clearly weren't not on thread yesterday. It was a thing. Probably a troll, but a thing.
>>47105226
Can the Hellhound upgrade it's Inferno Cannon to AP 2?
And I'm pretty sure it's base AP 3.
>>47105161
Why's that? I'm thought 5 would be a good number, if not I plan on allying them with some one but haven't figured out who
>>47105144
Nope. The size is too different. You could however check out that one 40k formation that mixed Titans with Knights. One Warhound and two Knights I think.
>>47104752
I'm busy enough painting the fuckers
>>47105141
citiesofdeatharmylist.jpg
>>47105244
Considering the recent arguments with that guy that was adamant that you could only ever shoot one weapon per model during overwatch I'm taking just about everything as retardation before trolling now.
I'm thinking about making an IG army how's this idea:
Infantry Platoon behind a ADL bubble wrapping Basilisks and that tanks with the FUCKHUGE DEATHMISSILE, while Russes, Hellhound and Vet russ up?
>>47105281
They're different sizes? Wtf
>>47105254
No.
S6, ap4, torrent, flamer, template
or
S1, ap3, poison, 2+, template
>>47105272
superheavy spam is thing that some assholes do, becaue a fair number of lists can't do anything about it.
If you're letting your opponent know first, then there isn't any problem. A fight against knights can be fun if you're allowed to prepare for it. Sprining it on a normal list is shitty.
>>47105254
> Expecting the Guard to have nice things
>>47104057
You just wait for the mold to be re-cut or buy some exorcists if you're filthy rich and can't wait.
>>47105141
But the real question is how can we get MORE Flamers on it!?
>>47105312
They have good things but not the best things.
They play like tau but balanced.
>>47105209
seriously I get knights are popular but it feels like taking a knight at less than 2000 points is really crippling because of how much they cost to field, and also they will just get penned and blown up on turn 1 or 2 anyway
>>47105303
knights aren't titans.
Titan's are much bigger and even the smallest is significantly more powerful and expensive.
I think knights are way cooler than titans tbqh
>>47105254
No the Hellhound is S6 AP4.
Your thinking of the Inferno cannons that Spess Mehreens and equivalent have on tanks.
Hellhounds can be swapped for Bane Wolves that have a Poison 2+ AP3 flamer but it loses out on Torrent.
The other thing you might also be thinking of is the Malcador Inferus which can up its rapecannon to AP2.
>>47105254
You're thinking of the bane wolf, which has an ap3 non-torrent template, or the devil dog, which has an ap1 melta pieplate.
>>47104057
chinaman repressor tops, with regular rhinos. You can support your LGS and still get somethign that is OOP easy and cheap (it's like £5.60 for a conversion kit).
Plus repressors are so much better than immos
>>47105173
Go back to dakka, Alpharius
>>47105311
I wasn't planning on being all "surprise mutha fucka"
>>47105244
No I was. People were explaining to retards why space marine players thought they could take 2, not justifying why they did it. They were decidedly neutral and proved through codex differences why the wording was confusing. It's just a fact that lots of tournaments and list builders let it happen.
>>47105211
Not him but I've seen several Space Wolf players shouting their defiance on B&C and the 40k fb page.
Say I want to get into the game and play necron. Whic codexes and things do I >buy
If I want to learn the enemy's tactics, do I have to acquire their codexes too?
>>47105328
I'm kinda glad about that.
It's weird too, they were the army that coined the term "leafblower list" to begin with but nowadays they're good but not ridiculous, at least base Codex-wise.
>>47105141
I want to make this army. It sounds too fun.
>>47105184
Tyranids?
>>47105326
This. How can we get more flamers on this list?
>>47105386
Check the link in the OP for PDFs of any codex you want to look over
>>47105372
That's because they play an assault army in a short edition, the poor souls
>>47104752
I already have.
They're a Chapter of Space Marines that are effectively chivalrous knights in space that have locked down their system due to their belief that the Emperor will be disappointed in them if they can't handle the seemingly endless Tyranid threat in their system alone.
>>47105386
you need the core rulebook and the codexes for the armies you play (Necrons)
The core rule book comes in two flavors: full size and pocked edition.
The full size includes a lot of narrative if you like that stuff, and is also easier to read if your eyesight isn't so good. The pocket size comes with the Dark Vengeance box set, but you can buy it off ebay for 20 bucks or so.
Don't buy codexes for other armies unless you want to - you will learn more about tactics from playing games or reading the wiki than you will from the book anyway.
>>47105431
*shooty, fuck
Now that tankbustas are kill, what's the orks' go-to anti tank?
>>47105222
Could probably make an altered version of this list with a few Leman Russes with Heavy Flamer everything. That way you can deal with vehicles and still pack a ton of flamers.
>>47105334
I thought GW called them "Knight Titans"?
>>47105371
I pretty clearily remember the retards trying to explain why the 'unclear' wording still existed, so the codex still said they could take 2 relics, because the faq only said unless the codex specified otherwise. and therefore the wording they were using before stiill let them do it.
Again, was likely a troll, but it happened. There was also a later time when there was a more reasonable discussion.
How does this imply at all that only one may be taken per character?
>>47105431
And to be fair I let my roommate load his wolf Lord up with relics because the wording was quite ambiguous.Unlike the clear unambiguous "you get one" from my Ork codex that came out at the same time.
>>47105457
>Knight Titan isn't the same as Titan
>Tactical Dreadnaught Armor isn't the same as a Dreadnaught
Hay I was looking to get into gaurdsmen as my next army. So I just wanted to ask some questions.
#1: in the current meta how are they? Decent? Blows ass? Or OP?
#2: I'm not a WAAC person but what are the best units that have or what is the best way to play them? Artillery gun line? Parking lot? Infantry chimera swarm?
#3: what's a good regiment paint scheme that's not DKOK that has black armor and dark camo?
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>>47105303
Here's a sample comparison.
>>47105450
Probably the Mek Gunz, Mega Nobz, Tank Bustas (Rokkits are still good) and anything else that can wreck a tank.
>>47105404
Add this bad motherfucker right here.
>>47105450
Meganobz with killsaws
>>47105446
Thanks anon
Been interested in 40k for a long time and I'm burning out on vidya, so I figure it's time I take the steps to the 41st millienia
>>47105450
MANz? I guess? Maybe Mek Guns or that new flyer if they can manage it.
>>47105386
>>47105446
you also cannot by the rulebook by itself outside of ebay.
Because the pocket edtion was released as part of army pack, and the full size comes with two other books that you have to pay for even though you probably don't want them.
>>47105476
I believe they even point out that the Knight is a smaller form of Titan.
So to be clear, I can't use forge world IK becuase they are a different fucking size? I'm 100% sure I could make that feasible on a table
>>47105450
What happened to tank bustas?
>>47105450
What happened to tankbustas? I haven't read the whole thing yet.
>>47104752
because no one gives a fuck about your own personalized 'your dudes.' Keeping their lore down to a couple sentences to explain them to your friends and opponents is all you need. Going beyond that is just being autistic. Instead of writing out a boring as fuck backstory no one cares about, learn to paint your models better, or work on a cool conversion. People are impressed by models and armies, not your shitty fanfiction tier background lore.
>>47105486
>#1: in the current meta how are they? Decent? Blows ass? Or OP?
OK
>
#2: I'm not a WAAC person but what are the best units that have or what is the best way to play them? Artillery gun line? Parking lot? Infantry chimera swarm?
Sweeping shotgun vets, rough riders, bullgryn
>#3: what's a good regiment paint scheme that's not DKOK that has black armor and dark camo?
31st Hedgehogs of Shadow
>>47105515
>>47105516
One melta bomb per unit can be used in assault.
>>47105431
>Space Wolves
>Poor souls
No, I wouldn't really say that.
They get plenty of love from the devs and sculptors as is.
Not to mention how Thundercav are typically the core of any decent Imperial Super Friends list.
>>47105488
I only see 1 imperial knight there, the other Imperium stuff are titans
>>47105509
the DV box also comes with templates which is nice
>>47105486
1. They've always been right in the middle, iirc.
2. Pretty sure it's Wyverns.
3. This one's really up to you, look up WWII camo schemes for some inspiration.
>>47105518
>Writing stuff for yourself is autistic
Shit, we should go back and tell every literary figure that they're autistic for writing anything.
Would table top people allow 3D printed figs once they become more common? I don't play, but it seems a way to not be jewed
>>47105469
all I remember was faggots who knew nothing about other codices' wording, complaining about why there was confusion at all.
>>47105457
if they did it was a goof.
Titans are god-engines, part of the titan legions.
Knights are refered to as armors, or just machines, and are part of knight households.
They are quite distinct in the fluff, and rules.
>>47105549
Sounds good how are the wyverns? Is that the tank with the motors?
>>47105556
Do you realize how expensive that is going to be for the common person?
It won't prevent being "jewed".
>>47105572
Most tanks have motors
>>47105574
3D printers are only going to get cheaper and better.
>>47105553
Maybe if you were writing something original, but let's not pretend stories or lore existing in a fictional world owned by Games Workshop is ever going beyond your own mind.
>>47105584
Oh right I mean the one with 4 battles on it that has an open top like the AA gun
>>47105591
No, no they aren't.
The one I work with on my campus is "top of the line" and it's still a piece of shit for most projects.
>>47105591
I have my doubts on that.
>>47105470
That wasn't the implication, it was for other codices that have above the relics list
>A model may replace one weapon with one of the following
People thought that process was repeatable.
>>47105572
The Wyverns are the 45 point Ignores Cover rape-machine.
>>47105604
>Maybe if you were writing something original, but let's not pretend stories or lore existing in a fictional world owned by Games Workshop is ever going beyond your own mind.
>anon literally ask if people are writing backstories for their armies
>YOU AUTIST NOBODY WANT YOUR FANFIC
>>47105620
Ah right thanks.
>>47105611
Also ment to say barrels
>>47105566
They may have amended that lore to include Knights as well.
