Not even going to write anything here cause people are just gonna argue about the jund/infect match up
(Spoilers: Jund bests infect)
first for learn how to cast vines in RESPONSE to the removal spell to 2 for 1 jund erry day
>>47032533
Sudden twist infect actually win an OP is still a faggot
>>47032577
Jund isn't gonna cast a removal spell on your combat phase unless they're in a bad spot or if they think they can overload your pump/protection spells with their removal, so have fun casting it postcombat.
>>47032577
Can we not?
We stopped having anything even vaguely resembling actual discussion like 100 posts up when two trolls started trying to bait each other for a fucking hour.
>>47032561
>can't even afford misty
Confirmed shit retard baby's first infect player.
>>47032627
why hello there :)
>>47032630
OP Said we have to so yea we do
>>47032627
buffs only remove between turns you retard
>>47032639
Ok so I don't waste money on cards so what?
>>47032651
Still doesn't matter. You do know jund only plays 2 abrupt decays or something like that right? Inkmoth really isn't a problem for them any more than any other creature. Also, cast a removal spell post-combat.
>>47032700
>abrupt Decay
> on a land
If Infect is better than Jund, then why is Jund the most played deck in the meta while Infect is like 7th?
>>47032700
>post combat
but then you'd already be dead, kiddo
hehe, nothin personnel
>>47032671
That's irrelevant. Terminate post combat. Go ahead and cast your vines.
>>47032725
He's pointing out that they only run 2 decays you retard. Meaning that most of there removal is still relevant to nexus.
>>47032737
I think you miss spelled Junk which does beat infect
>>47032725
My point is that jund only plays 2 abrupt decays instead of more copies like they used to, and play 3-4 terminates and 4 bolts. Inkmoth isn't that hard to remove.
>>47032759
not with how he phrased it.
>>47032737
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO
Here you go
Ayy lmao
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/breakdown/modern
>>47032742
So you have an Inkmoth + 8 power worth of pump in two spells + Vines + 3 lands?
>Some neckbeard keeps losing to infect
>gets too salty to even start playing infect himself
>decides to shit up modern threads pretending to be an infect player
>"hurrrr jund is bad because it casts removal before my second main phase"
>>47032844
Did you scroll down and see where infect had a higher win percentage.
>>47032931
Doesn't change the fact the Jund has a favorable matchup against infect.
>>47032972
Some one miss read which way that went
>>47032931
Did you look at the part that I posted that shows youre wrong? Zooicide has the best win percentage you chuckle fuck.
>>47032994
I point you to>>47032987
>>47032793
Lol sure buddy
>>47032987
What do you mean? Are you talking about the table? Because I'm reading it correctly. Look at RG Tron. It's pretty accurate.
>>47033019
I'm reading the chart correctly, you're the one that's wrong, unless you want to start arguing that ton has a bad jund/k match up too but has a great win rate against infect.
>>47032844
INFECT SHOTS BTFO SUCK COCKS YOU FAGGOTS LMAO INFECT FOREVER BTFO
>>47033042
also you didn't tale into account sideboards and modern changes greatly after that so that statistic does not work.
>>47033042
Tron*
>>47033064
What changes would that be? How has Tron changed, or infect in the last year? If anything it only got better by having less decay and more kommand. And on top of that, my hard statistics from less than a year ago are less relevant than you posting an article by a fat retard who beat Tron 4 years ago?
>>47032844
This does not account for sideboard which matter a lot in modern
>>47033064
It's a hell of a lot better than some article from 2014 or 2012.
>>47033103
I am sorry your smoke and gun does not work because sideboards are important and that you still wasted 2k on cardboard that gets beat by my cardboard.
>>47033108
Yes it does though, go cry yourself to sleep now little fuccboi.
>tfw jubd will always be great and make sure infect is never a good deck
>>47033103
tron lost eye, gained ulamog. That's relevant. but I agree on everything else.
>>47033108
It accounts for all games. Sideboards included. If you think it's not the case because of this
>it's possible that your particular sideboard/build flips the matchup in Deck B's favor
Reread that line. It's talking about your particular sideboard, which could be different from the norm.
>>47033118
>>47033166
Wow I am sorry that you are this insecure mate. That as run by bots and without sideboard which still leaves it unclear as to wether or not the match up is bad post board considering that it is close to 50/50 from the start.
>>47033176
it said in the beginning that it did not use sideboards.
>>47033176
>tfw literally all of infects sideboard comes in against jund anyways, and there's literally nothing those poor little cucks can do about it.
>>47033220
>it said in the beginning that it did not use sideboards.
Are you referring to the line here? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/28k-games-of-modern-analyzed
This claims it can't see sideboards, not that it can't see sideboarded games.
>>47033220
Where does it say that it doesn't use sideboards you ducking retard? It doesn't. Are you implying it only took game 1 results and not the results of the match you stupid illiterate retarded faggot?
>muh 2015 not relevant
>muh sideboards
>muh retarded reading comprehension
You got shut the duck down pussy, just kill yourself.
>>47033253
>>47033270
Next this is from modern online not tournaments so the ability for there to be just a ton of people who get into infect because it is cheaper than jund and get out played because they are new is there.
>>47033230
What exactly do you take out? main deck is pretty tight son.
There is nothing sweeter than the autistic back peddling of a retarded faggot little infect player. Oh god these tears will lubricate and sustain my sexualidad endeavors for many months to come.
>>47033299
Oh duck yeah, keep going, oh yeah, I didn't think my erection could ever be any harder than just a moment ago, but dear god your pushING me over the edge, oh duck yeah, tell me about how infect players were enslaved in the 1800s next and they're at a economic and social disadvantage next, oh lord I would cum so hard.
>>47033220
> That as run by bots
The games themselves are not. The data is taken from thousands of replays.
>without sideboard
They count sideboarded games as well.
>>47033566
It's over friend. He's done, there's nothing more he can say, he's just wrong, and it's over.
Rate my funbrew bois
>4 primeval titan
>4 lotus cobra
>4 life from the loam
>3 gitrog monster
>4 harrow
>4 search for tomorrow
>3 urban evolution
>3 explore
>2 avenger of zendikar
>2 ob nixilis the fallen
>1 mind spring
>8 fetches
>7 shocks
>basics
>4 death cloud
it's super fun and hella explosive with a good draw
>t2 cobra
>t3 cobra, fetch land
>harrow
>explore, fetch land
>harrow
>prime time
>avenger of zendikar
what im willing to drop
>urban evolutions
>avengers of zendikar
>ob nixilis
thats basically it. the rest of the deck flows so nicely together. gitrog + loam + explores + cobra, or any combination of those cards, is amazing. the deck thins out so fast and you just draw straight gas. it isnt getting far in a pro tour but its a really enjoyable deck to play. what would you change out?
>it's called BUG death cloud for now because death cloud is often a wincon when you have loam and/or way more lands than them
>>47033939
it's shit
>>47032844
>play Scapeshift
>not on the chart
>tfw
JUST
What would an appropriate mana cost for this card be?
>>47034151
In modern? Probably {2}{R}{R}
>>47034151
We already have that card.
>>47034345
I think you meant to post this.
>>47034209
>>47034345
>>47034378
You're all wrong.
>>47034345
>pay a million mana for a brick
>your opponent casts goyf and beats your face in
yeah sure wins you the game pal
>>47034401
I change the target of my opponent's goyf spell to my side of the field, it happens because it's an Unglued set, you're move.
>>47034151
FUCK OFF.
Does anyone have Gerry Thompson's R/G eldrazi list from the recent scg event?
>>47032844
>last updated 2015
>Splinter Twin is still a deck that has results
What.
Want to ask.
I see that some origin stuffs like Pyromancer Googles, Knight of White Orchid and Dark Petition are kinda expensive now compared to what they used to be.
What made them rise? Standard? Modern? EDH?
>>47035534
Standard. Goggles is a deck in Standard, Knight is in Standard in white weenies and able to easily splash other colours by fetching a Canopy Vista or Prairie Stream since they have plains subtypes and Dark Petition is part of the Seasons Past deck combo.
>>47035551
Ah okay, thanks anon. Time to sell i guess. I would've kept them if it's Modern.
>>47035599
I don't know if now's a good time to sell Dark Petition. I think people are realizing that it's actually a good card and could potentially see modern play.. maybe.
Plus it's always going to be in some demand for EDH.
Sell the Knights and Goggles ASAP though.
>>47035599
Dark Petition is probably one you should keep, foils if anything. They do get played in Vintage/Legacy Storm.
>>47035534
Standard. Goggles is a deck in standard double up lightning axes for sick removal, double up tormenting voice for sick card draw, double up fall of the titans for sick burn kills. It's great. Knight is played in white weenies, ando dark petition is a staple in seasons control.
Standard is pretty fun this season.
On the topic of finance, should I sell my Chandra Flamecallers? I can't see them going too much higher, but then again I think she's really fucking good,
Here is where we're at folks.
>>47036020
>tron tier 1
hahahHAHAAH
>>47036020
>linear aggro
>$$$
>linear aggro
>linear aggro
>cheating with mana
>linear aggro + oops combo on T3
and every fucking deck is now build around broken green shit
even Burn is being carried by Nacatls
fml
new magic is disgusting
>not selling out of modern and getting into pauper and legacy
>>47036219
modern is really fun though
>>47035620
>>47035623
>>47035709
Thanks anons. Yeah my Dark Petition is a prerelease foil, the rest is the usual draft byproducts. I guess i'll keep this one.
>>47036123
>>47036020
These aren't tiers based on power, they're tiers based on popularity. There's obviously some relation, but this looks like it's not taking W/L into consideration.
Tron's easy and cheap, therefore popular and tier 1.
>>47036241
>can't play combo (abzan doesn't count since the combo is just a happy side effect of shitting out creatures on curve and it's ridiculously easy to stop), prison, ramp or control if you want to win consistently
>artificial annual rotation for bullshit reasons
>costs about as much as legacy where both of the above are false
It's just buyer's remorse, anon, you can get over it.
So I sold my Kor Spiritdancers last year when getting back into magicTo build EDH decks.I still have a bunch of Bogle stuff left over though. Are Bogles an okay deck to build to try out Modern? Are Dancerless Bogles viable?
>>47036347
>wanting to play degenerate decks
i don't pity you
>>47036154
What would you rather play?
>>47033939
i find this fun, even to play against
would play/brew 8/10
>>47036378
Everything but turning Agent/Goyf/Nacatl/spirit tokens sideways is degenerate?
>>47032533
>finally cave and buy the new red/black vampire deck so i can be a necromancer
>rekt my friends with powers of undeath
feelsgoodman
>>47036020
>Jund is 50% more played in paper than on MODO at 300% of the cost
How
>>47036421
Less Tron and Burn on paper since they aren't the budget choices outside modo. Key cards overlap with Legacy.
>>47036355
I've played a lot of bogles before moving on, and in my experience the spirit dancers are a necessity. The extra card draw and chaining draws from it really make a difference, especially if you don't play horizon canopies (and if you are you have no excuse not to buy the spirit dancers).
>>47036404
I am just selling my modern shit and will stick with EDH and Legacy
modern just isn't for me anymore
I hate green, I hate clogged boardstates, I hate people who do nothing but vomit stuff on curve on the board and win without even knowing why they won
face it, Modern is just Standard on steroids and thus suffering from the obsession of Kikewater and his retarded friends with clogged boards full of GW creature shit with +1/+1 tokens on every fucking thing including lands
>>47036537
This man speaks truth. Fuck modern.
>>47036417
what
>>47036154
>even Burn is being carried by Nacatls
Is that seriously a thing now? I've always hated them in burn and feel like I should just play zoo at that point.
>>47036605
the whole idea of burn not running creatures to neuter removal has long been thrown overboard when Eidolon and Swiftspear were just too good not to include
then came Atarka's Command and the rest is history
if you want to play Command AND are already at 12 creatures AND you need Destructive Revelry or Ancient Grudges it would be stupid not to play Nacatls
When are they going to fucking ban mana tithe? My buddy completely blew me out of the water when I tried to cryptic command his Summit prowler and he mana tithed it. Why tf does white even need a counter anyway?
>>47036695
It's not about dodging removal but Nacatl being a coin toss and not in any way guaranteed damage like guido or eidolon. Only thing it has going for it is that it dodges pyroclasm on the play and Tron is a bye anyway.
>>47036715
here's your (you)
>>47036605
Well it's like "We're already splashing Green for Revelry and we've got mountains and plains too, why not attack for 3 as well?"
>>47036695
>The whole idea of burn not running creatures to neuter removal has long been thrown overboard
I still can't cope with this fact. And I've transitioned to the Zoo-plan. I was fine with Guide, Eidolon - still a burn spell if removed, and Swiftspear - Goblin Guide 2.0, but having the 4th creature seems so off.
I know that every time someone Paths my Nacatl, it's still right to play Nacatl. I believe that the Nacatl as the right play is only because there are so many other aggro decks that a 2/2 on T1 then a 3/3 on T2 can't beat. The loss of Twin means the field we can afford to be a bit slower but heavier hitting.
Still doesn't feel right.
>>47032533
>Memedern
Has anything changed since the last thread or is the format still shit and broken?
>>47036795
Shit and broken.
>>47036795
Every format is exciting to some degree. Each has X number of decks and a metagame to explore.
The people who get tired of a format are the people who play the hell out of it. Like the pros. I haven't played the hell out of the format yet so I haven't felt the format has gone to shit... yet.
What's the most money you've ever spent?
I mean, you guys can't seriously have responsibilities like bills, kids, a wife, or your own home and spend this kind of money on a card game.
>>47036795
Yes.
If you want a good eternal format look into Pauper. Could buy every viable deck in the meta for the price of Jund.
>>47036837
>$100-1000
>responsibilities like bills, kids, a wife, or your own home
Seriously, leave your basement dwelling once in a while. That kind of money is chump change for people with a job and career.
Just wanted to play Burn and now I have a zoo deck.
Modern is really fucking boring.
>>47036861
I wrote that because I have all of those responsibilities. I have my Bachelor's of Science in Nursing and in no way shape or form is 1000 dollars "chump change". It's not for anyone else I know, either.
>>47036837
A single part on my bike is more expensive than what is spent on a season of competitive Standard.
I find it painfully ironic that though society stereotypes nerds into being brilliant and therefore get high-paying jobs that it turns out nerds have a huge range of incomes and most are fucking poor.
When your hobbies are cheap, you don't aspire higher. The people who aspire to owning a boat, leisure vehicle and outdoor vehicle, and a fucking motor home (second house) have to be fucking rich to maintain that lifestyle.
I realized a long time ago I can't talk about buying a nice sandwich at the store because some people there barely eat.
>>47036861
>basement dweller tells normie to get out of his basement.
>gets BTFO
>>47036911
but you're in massive crippling debt because Ameriburger education system so you don't count
>>47036955
I didn't need a loan for my schooling. I have no student loan debt.
Making assumptions is silly of you.
>>47037050
Well something is not right
Do you get tips?
>>47037078
...
I have two cars, a son, wife, a house note, utilities, food, gas, and more to pay for.
Are you this out of touch with reality?
>>47037106
So..
no tips?
>>47037116
He definitely gets tips to be able to afford all that stuff.
>>47037116
Not sure if you know, but nursing in the USA pays extremely well. A brand new bacholers trained nurse can make anywhere between 55 to 70 thousand a year starting.
>>47037147
Sounds like your "wife" isn't pulling her weight m8
>>47037160
We did some thinking and number work and it would be cheaper for her to live at home with my toddler son than to get a job and put him in daycare. She doesn't have a good degree for jobs.
Needless to say, 1k is not chump change to me or the millions living like me.
>>47037184
Ok. So why does she need a car?
>>47037106
I think what the anon is trying to express is this:
For a person like you who is educated with a family and generous American nursing salary and finding it challenging to blow $1000 on a hobby is indicative that there's a problem with the system because even a person like you is having trouble living the American dream. And many people have far less.
Admittedly I don't understand why you're having issues, nursing pays fucking well in the United States so much that a huge proportion of Canadian-educated nurses go there, shafting the subsidized education here.
Moving away from that, there's a problem. The problem is both that the American Dream is unsustainable and Americans have felt satisfied to vote in representatives that favor policies that shift money away from the working class - while unions are not efficient, their primary purpose - collective bargaining to ensure that the worker isn't trampled on - is being attacked constantly. The American people also feel that "slave" work like harvesting crops or food service is beneath them and feel those people don't deserve to get paid a fair wage or are fine with depending on low-paid workers to do that work.
While services that cannot be shuffled around like nursing and teaching or food service will always be a source of jobs, America (and my home country of Canada) has outsourced everything else like technology and manufacturing out of the country and the consumer is fine with that because it means their product is cheap and the "suffering" of having no local jobs is ignored or invisible. We are shipping dollars out of the country and the only dollars that come back only go to the pockets of the wealthy.
>>47037274
If you get 70k/year and can't afford to plop down 1000 bucks for entertainment, that means there's something very wrong with your lifestyle.
>>47037184
>She doesn't have a good degree for jobs.
I'm willing to bet she's a psych major.
>>47037160
I actually think it's terrible that people cannot be paid enough such that one spouse handles the career while the other focuses on managing the family.
Two parents working just makes life shit because the family still has to be managed.
Like I say here:
>>47037274
It's a fucking problem. And everyone thinks it's because people are lazy - no, it's because families don't fucking work as well as they could be when both parents have to work.
Fuck "struggle". Both parents shouldn't have to come home to deal with laundry, cooking, kid and the paperwork - it leaves no time to have fun and fuck. One should deal with all that while the other works but that doesn't work in America because nobody gets fucking paid enough. Or it does work but you're chained to a 30 year mortgage and whatever other godawful debt you happen to have.
>>47036570
I'm afraid he takes joy from casual MtG. Disgusting.
>>47037367
Casual magic is like living in a world being completely unable to google things.
>>47037307
>plop down 1000 bucks for entertainment
The entire point that people are trying to make is that nobody "plops down" a grand for a deck, and with the average entertainment budget that middle class people (and even most poor people) holds, it's practically trivial for a player to upkeep a non-rotating format.
Magic is only expensive after the initial buy-in period, which is extremely easy to ease over time. Even shifting deck types and building a pet deck over time have minimal upkeep costs once you're playing.
>>47037424
I sometimes feel ignorance is just people not having the time to research everything before they do/say it. Turns out, it's just sloth leading to ignorance.
I don't offer unsolicited advice anymore - so much of it just goes through people's heads. And even when people ask for help it's always because they couldn't be bothered to look it up themselves.
>>47037470
I tried to explain the logic of Pathing a creature on the Draw step with potential draws and deck thinning to a guy on Friday.
The only thing he could take from the explanation was calling a judge because I was apparently somehow telling him that searching a land after a Path meant that he couldn't play a land for the turn.
Here's a little game.
Let's post price history charts of various cards and then people try to guess which card it is.
This one should be easy.
>>47037667
Euros or dollars? Price is average of which site(s)?
>>47037701
Dollars, TCGPlayer average.
>>47037667
Blood Moon?
Can't rememeber anything particular that spiked because of Origins.
>Gifts for Rites + Mirror Mad Phantasm
Solid plan?
>>47037667
Arcbound Ravager
>>47037667
Some fetchland?
>>47037753
>>47037765
>>47037784
All wrong.
Hint: Along with Blood Moon and Ravager, it spiked due to not getting reprinted in Modern Masters 2015.
>>47036837
My collection is worth about 7 grand, which isn't sit really. I know guys with cubes worth like 30k
>>47037797
gobbo guide?
>>47037797
Hmm...too low for Lili.
Snapcaster?
>>47037819
Wrong.
>>47037824
CORRECT! It was Snapcaster!
Next card.
>>47037839
Kalitas?
>>47037860
Yep.
(thank fuck I got a set for $20)
Next.
>>47037879
Inkmoth?
>>47037879
eldrazi temple?
>>47037860
does kalitas actually see play in modern?
>>47037903
I believe Jund plays her
>>47037903
He's a 1 of in Jund.
>>47037911
Wait he's the guy nvm.
>>47037879
Eldrazi temple?
>>47037879
First guess was Master of Etherium.
>>47037927
>>47037903
temple is 4 dollars
>>47037903
Probably Jund/Junk aka the goodstuffs.dec
>>47037879
Vision.
>>47037902
>>47037903
>>47037927
>>47037938
>>47037944
All wrong.
Hint: Its one part of a combo.
>>47037960
Oh...Sword of the Meek.
>>47037960
Oh right, probably Kiki Jiki then.
>mfw eye of ugin was 10 dollars before Eldrazi
>now after Eldrazi and it being banned in Modern, it's still 15 ducking dollars
Lmao what can't these kites do?
>>47037960
Kiki-Jiki
>>47037986
>Kiki jiki
>Ever 5 dollars
Nah
>>47037986
>>47038012
Correct, it was Kiki-Jiki.
Next card.
>>47038021
That chart doesn't say it ever went to $5 anon. $5 is the absolute floor in that chart.
>>47038036
Really? Kiki was sub 10? Duck my ass
>>47038055
Depends on the printing, i'm going to fathom a guess and say probably the Modern Masters 2015 printing that went that low.
>>47038009
well eldrazi is still a playable legacy deck
>>47038030
That is quite the graph. Have no idea what it could be.
>>47038094
What does that have to do with Eye?
>>47038030
Fuck this one is tough, i'm trying to fathom what started at $25 and then plummeted hard in early 2014.
Bitterblossom?
>>47038102
Eye of ugin is played in the deck so their is still demand for the card helping it keep it's price up along with price memory
>>47038030
Thoughtseize?
>>47038129
Correct! It was Thoughtseize!
Probably one the most interesting price histories desu. It's sickening how many cards just spike up overnight due to not getting reprints or bannings/unbannings.
I think this one will be the last for now, I don't want to hijack the thread for too long.
>>47036837
Those are fake.
>>47038169
Gitaxian Probe
>>47036020
Would I be wasting my time trying to make a BW tokens deck
>>47038192
If your area is heavy on Jund/Junk decks, no. If your area sees a big amount of Tron play then yes it's a waste of time.
Hey guys I'm thinking of getting a loan so I could afford a deck. This way I can pay it off in installments. Cards like Goblin Guide and Scalding Tarn are just too expensive, and I want to play as soon as possible.
Does anyone know any places that do things like this?
>>47038327
I'm sure Mr. Goldbergstein would see this as a sound investment.
>>47038327
You shouldn't do that.
>>47038327
What deck do you need guides and tarns?
>>47038169
Gilt-Leaf Palace
>>47038327
Any bank could give you a personal loan, however it will likely be high interest, because jews, and may be tough to get depending on your credit. Just math it out and see if the interest you would pay would make it cost-innefective.
>>47038354
Whatever. I'm sure I'm not the first person to do this what with the insane prices.
>>47038424
Just used them as an example.
>>47038465
Well if I want to get into Modern I don't see another way realistically.
>>47038885
Why do you want to get into Modern? It's dull and uninteractive. This weekend's SCG open was won by an infinite combo deck.
>>47039010
Because it's the cheapest official eternal format.
>>47039115But Modern rotates
I thought Tron was dead but it placed second in the latest SCG?
>>47038327
Don't do that anon.
>>47039359
Where can I find the results from last weekedn?
>>47039359
If you watched that SCG you saw how much worse it was without Eye. Joe Losset is just a real good ducking pkayer, and is able to do work with the deck. Losing Eye really just means that Tron is going to lose maybe a couple of percentage points over the midrange and control decks, but in the end it's still going to beat jund junk and control. Tron isn't dead, just not as good, but as we saw, a good player like Joe was able to make it work.
>>47038327
Is this supposed to be satire?
>>47039115
Legacy has much more viable budget options than Modern, eg. Dredge and MonoR Burn cost less than most tier 1 modern decks.
>>47039405
Joe is an infinitely worse pilot than Aintrazi though, who forfeited the deck. He just got lucky with his matchups and people didn't pack enough Fulminators and Crumbles. You could see in the Scapeshift match how games without Eye are decided by tron player's opener and topdecks, t3 karn into eye fetching ulamog with warping wails in sideboard used to mean Scapeshift was a bye.
>>47037184
>She doesn't have a good degree for jobs.
Why did you let this happen?
>>47038169
thopter foundry desu ka
>>47038190
>>47038432
>>47039619
All wrong.
hint: its a meme deck.
>>47039637
Bushwhacker?
>>47039637
Lantern of Insight
Although meme decks don't win GPs and do well in the constructed portion of a Pro Tour.
>>47039515
Who even plays that. No one.
>>47039851
Correct! It was Lantern of Insight.
I think it might be the biggest price spike in Magic I've seen, going by percentage increase. It went from like $0.30 to $7 overnight.
>>47036911
I have a wife and a child, but because I wasn't retarded, I went to trade school instead of scrambling for a bachelor's degree, so I have no debt. My collection is probably close to around $5k or so. People spend a lot of money on their hobbies.
Well, normal people, who don't become male nurses.
>>47038169
I kinda want to say Lantern of Insight because the price and timing seems right.
>>47038885
>>47039115
Play on Cockatrice if you're a poorfag, retard.But you don't want to play modern at all, you're just trolling, so have a (You)
>>47039971
>>47040193
Goddamn, I'm slow as fuck
>>47036537
THIS
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I
S
>>47040357
>read Maros stormscale for RtR block
>Dredge a 10
>Transmute: "We don't do tutors anymore"
>Unleash and Scavenge are great in his eyes, guess why
>he loves Convoke, again, guess why
this fucking stupid self absorbed Kike needs to step down and stop ruining this game
everything that is wrong with Magic can be directly tracked to this dump stump of a man
god, I can hardly explain how much I despise this fucking freak
he is what happens when a small guy gets picked on in school and starts thinking he is special to preserve some form of self esteem
now he is older and no one dares to tell this fuckup to just shut his stupid mouth
just because he is holding a certain position does not mean he is always right or knows his job
god, this kike makes me wanna go fourth reich again
>>47040101
I already said I didn't have any loan debt from school. I'm making much more money than you as a "male nurse". Sorry.
>>47041021
I am a anon above. But I work as a plumber and make 130k a year...
Don't get me wrong, higher education is great but people will always need pipes, water, andthings to shit in :^)
>>47041433
I didn't know Poles posted outside of /int/.
>>47040607
You have to understand maro's job no longer has anything to do with making magic interesting or exciting. It is 100% to make sure that a new player can pick up a magic card and fully understand what it does with a minimal amount of explanation. Shit they have to read 3 times then ask for clarification like suspend or fucking banding are no bueno. Maro actually designed some nifty shit when he was given free reign but now they don't care about long term players. Hasbro says "print more money. Now." And they do whatever makes the most new casual kitchen table players crack packs
>>47041746
That's kind of scary. Shortsightedness can kill a company.
>>47041746
>Hasbro says "print more money. Now." And they do whatever makes the most new casual kitchen table players crack packs
That's the goal, but to be more accurate it is ensuring that this happens forever into the future.
You don't want old players with knowledge of the history telling new players what it was like. So you don't need to cater to them; in fact, it is more sustainable to have experienced players quit so that the new players are not tainted by their experience and opinions.
>>47042078
It's not shortsightedness. Experienced players don't spend as much money as new players. Experienced players are excited by much less single cards in a set than a new player.
When was the last time you saw an experienced player get excited by an Intro Pack Dragon. Never.
You don't need experienced players to explain Magic is a complex and deep game. It remains a complex and deep game even though they've dumbed down commons and uncommons. The new player isn't so stupid to not be able to see that this is a pretty fucking complex game - the game itself and the video games sell this point enough.
>>47040607
What do you even need more dredge cards for you faggot?
>>47042509
How about having cards besides Grave-Troll that not only get dredged but played (on the battlefield) as well?
What's up niggers? I'm the BUG tezzerator guy, still trying it out and still finding it pretty darn good. Had a couple questions. First is Tasigur or Angler? My meta is split, there's some goyfs rhinos and opposing tasigurs, and there's decks where that Tasigur grindability could really be good. Not sure, they both have their advantages, but i really do want another decent way to close a game. Secondly I was thinking about running a Tolaria West and that package. Like a slaughter pact, an Engineered explosive and other stuff like that. Also maybe grab a darksteel in a pinch to have an indestructible 5/5 against Jund, that seems pretty sweet. On top of that I was wondering if there's anything else I might find with Tolaria West that's good, or maybe the shenanigans are just too slow anyways. Not keen on pact of negation really, feel like I'd need it before turn 6. Here's my list.
Land (23)
1x Academy Ruins
1x Breeding Pool
3x Darkslick Shores
2x Darksteel Citadel
2x Island
2x Misty Rainforest
4x Polluted Delta
2x Sunken Ruins
1x Swamp
1x Verdant Catacombs
4x Watery Grave
Instant (16)
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Dismember
4x Mana Leak
2x Remand
4x Thirst for Knowledge
Planeswalker (4)
4x Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
Artifact (12)
1x Batterskull
4x Chalice of the Void
3x Sword of the Meek
4x Thopter Foundry
Sorcery (2)
2x Damnation
Creature (3)
3x Spellskite
Sideboards still bouncing around. Run some nature's claims, flying tendrils, dispel, stuff like that. Dispel is so nice against company, I love it. If anybody has some questions about the deck I'd be happy to talk about it, I think it's wicked fun and I can't play it enough.
>>47042546
I really hate that somehow Dredge is a broken mechanic, despite it just being a couple cards that were poorly designed. Same with storm.
It's like if they printed a 2 mana card with 'scry 16' and then claimed that scry is a broken mechanic
>>47042546
Bit dredge just wants to cast dread return on a flame kin.
>>47043083
Someone has never dredged a golgari brown-scale
>>47043136
I don't play modern drag cause its a shit deck.
>>47043069
Just stop desu senpai, play a real deck instead of trying to ride Chalice on 1 to victory backed by bad wincons.
>>47035620
People just realized a tutor for 2 that you cant play on turn 2 is still a good thing.
>source
I pulled 3 of them and have been using them since.
>>47036574
>i cast warping wail targeting tooth and nail
reaponse?
>>47042396
>Experienced players don't spend as much money as new players
I call bullshit
"Experienced" equals older and more perspective
better players want more cards, play more decks, trade more, buy more, read more
the 14 y o kid I face at my FNM sometimes barely has like 10€ a month to spend on magic
meanwhile the other 20 guys in their mid 20s buy booster boxes, attend prereleases, participate in Draft four times a month and probably own a deck for more than one format
and before you go "waaaa, secondary market doesn't matter"
guess who is generating demand for Goyfs and LotV and IoK and shit? not little timmy and his Werewolf deck m8
face it, kids have no money and the handful of parents actually spending 80 bucks on a booster box are rare
back then, among 12 people I knew who played mtg when I was 14, there was one, exactly one kid, who got a booster box for his birthday
the rest of us spent like 10 bucks a month if at all
face it, WotCASH is currently doing the wrong thing - they try to cater to casuals who hold no loyalty to the game
meanwhile every conversation about recent sets went like this:
>I don't feel like it is worth buying a box of X because there is only shit in it
back then when KtK was released the convo was like this:
>damn, I am totally buying a box, maybe two - damn, sweet fetchlands are so totally worth it - also, there is so much playable stuff in there!
tl:dr; Kikewater a shit and they are just catering to their warped and disgusting taste - just look at any video showing their current designers - disgusting social rejects inserting their shit ideas into the game
>>47043192
>lol innovation is gay XDDD
Fuck off faggot, I've played tier 1 decks plenty, I like to try my own things. And riding a chalice to victory? What does that even mean? You mean like good card selection against aggro decks? You mean like how miracles rides top to victory or how Kiki chord rides chord to victory? What are you trying to say? Why don't you be helpful instead of being an autistic little faggot for once in your life.
>>47043231
>implying it wasn't cast off a boseiju
>>47043345
Ah much more interesting
>mindbreak trap
>>47043406
>mindbreak trap
>in modern
>in a deck playing warping wail
>while you have six mana open, cause I'm not casting any other spells
Seems pretty unlikely, if that's the case I'd probably just cast a pact of negation
>>47042396
>Experienced players don't spend as much money as new players.
I used to spend under $50/year when I was a casual newbie. Now I don't even hesitate to drop $1000 in a month.
>>47043650
>spending 12000 on magic cards a year
What the fuck man
>>47043259
>back then when KtK was released the convo was like this:
>>damn, I am totally buying a box, maybe two - damn, sweet fetchlands are so totally worth it - also, there is so much playable stuff in there!
Only a box or two? Stop hanging around poor people.
>>47043320
Meaning other than having Chalice mainboard, which is fairly rogue in Modern and steals some g1s against select decks (Infect, Burn, Tron to some extent, abzan can't play Viscera Seer and mana dorks etc etc), your list just slams UWx's counter package and Abrupt Decay together on top of a bad planeswalker that only does work with either the sword combo online (which would win you the game by itself without drain ult) or a 5/5 Darksteel that your opponent can't Path or overwhelm. Basically you have the worst of both worlds.
>>47043685
Do you not have a job or something?
>>47043469
Only the dankest meme decks would run anything close to what im talking about and the game 2+3 would be a nightmare unless the sideboard was tailored to the opponent
>>47043747
Decks it is good against
RDW
Zoo
Elves
Bogle
Soul sisters
Delver
GR Tron (shuts off a ton of their deck)
Lantern
Infect
Living end
Storm
All other combo decks where you try to draw your deck.
Decks it's okay against
Affinity (Put this first as its in between good and okay, depending on some factors)
Jund/Junk
Dredge
Uwr control
U tron
Most other control decks, shutting off path, snares, bolts and all their 1 drops is good
No other control deck can use it as well as UB Tezzerator. Other control decks can't discard it to thirst, or use it as a 5/5 with tezz. The fact of the matter is, it makes my aggro match up extremely winnable, stealing game 1 against an aggro deck and then going to board is such a huge advantage for a control deck, you have no idea. And I don't understand what you mean the worst of both worlds. It really doesn't make sense. And as far as Tezzeret being bad, that's just wrong. I win as many if not more games off just him alone drawing all my cards, and making 5/5, then ulting for 8 damage is very common after 1 dig, and that's easy. He's a fantastic plane walker in the right deck, and you're just wrong. Protects himself and draws cards with an ultimate that wins, even without the combo, and on top of that he finds the combo almost immediately after playing him. I have no idea what you're trying to say, yes I play counters and kill spells, that's a control deck. "UWX counter package" what you mean the only playable modern counters?
>>47043069
Just play whatever, man. Why even bother asking /tg/? But I'll humore you anyway.
>but i really do want another decent way to close a game
If tezz or thopter combo aren't enough to close a game in a deck built around those cards, ask yourself why. Without knowing why, adding extra ways to close a game just seems like a sloppy choice at best.
>Secondly I was thinking about running a Tolaria West and that package.
What's your reasoning behind wanting to run Tolaria West instead of Muddle the Mixture? In fact, why aren't you running any at all?
>>47039515
Not that guy but i live in the most densely populated part of the US and I would have to drive an hour away to play Legacy.
Also dredge and burn are fucking boring.
>>47037184
>she doesn't have a good degree for jobs
Then why fucking get it?
I will never understand why anyone would pay thousands of dollars for a degree with literally zero chance of making that money back for them.
>>47037184
>anon, I can't work, my degree isn't good for jobs, let me stay home all day for the rest of my life while you pay for everything I do
100% cucked
>>47044185
Tezz and tho per combo are enough to close most games. However, all my win cons are artifacts. I should add I want something that can win that doesn't die to the artifact hate they bring in, and still works with stony silence. What I am saying is, I'd like to diversify my end game slightly, as even though I can usually fight through the hate, I think it would be beneficial just to ignore it given the opportunity. I was considering running muddle, but honestly I haven't needed it all that much. Tutoring for the combo eats a whole turn, and it's really just too slow. On the other hand, tutoring for an answer like slaughter pact, ee, or the like seems more of what I want to be doing. I want a reactive tutor spell, rather than a proactive one, where I can hold it until I need to use it rather than just digging the combo out. Maybe I can find muddle too, but to lariat west can find stuff muddle cant, it's just a good card honestly and I don't see too much downside to running it.
>>47044354
>not wanting house wife that knows her place
>>47044390
Just be aware that tutoring with Tolaria West is just as slow as Muddle.
>>47044390
Not him, but don't tezz decks shine when they're proactive? Why would you want to dilute your game plan in a format where proactivity>reactivity?
I certainly haven't played the deck, for good reason, but if I did, I don't think Tasigur or angler or any wierd package that doesn't control the board or get to the combo is where I want to be.
>>47044390
Why not run Trinket Mage? Finds you EE, Chalice, executioners capsule, pithing needle etc. Puts a chump on the board too.
>>47044752
And it's comparable to tutoring with either Muddle or t-west in terms of speed while being lighter on color wieght.
>>47044629
>working yourself every day instead of spending an hour or two cleaning and making food while your slave waifu makes all of the money you spend
Mah nigga it sounds like you got this shit backwards
>>47044783
And it makes a blocker
>>47044331
>I will never understand why anyone would pay thousands of dollars for a classic car with literally zero chance of making that money back for them
>I will never understand why anyone would pay thousands of dollars for a card game with literally zero chance of making that money back for them
>I will never understand why anyone would pay thousands of dollars for a books, movies, cable and entertainment with literally zero chance of making that money back for them
If you go to school specifically to get a job after with your education you're obviously either in some middle management shithole or a trademonkey.
Many people go to school to learn about things they are passionate in
>>47044693
I'm aware tutoring with muddle is as slow, however I am tutoring for different things. Tutoring out a slaughter pact is different than tutoring a combo piece, but also tutoring the combo just seems slow. I will probably add a muddle and test it, it seems good enough, I'm just not sure where to put it, I will try it though, maybe it'll be great, I've already had success with the deck.
>>47044732
To be honest I don't know where Tezz decks shine. It clearly didn't have the play before sword was unbanned, and I wouldn't say proactivity is necessarily always correct. Look at 8 rack, pretty much the most proactive control deck you can play. The fact of the matter is, aggro is faster, they have more threats than you have answers, that's why I run a lot of catch alls. I run chalice, which can be well worth 5 of there spells, spellskite can soak up a lot of damage, damnation of course, and the combo itself goes very wide and wins outright against a lot if decks. I'd live to find a spot for cryptic, but darn it just seems to slow in this meta to be honest. I like where this deck is, I think it has a good balance, and it is superb at holding out long enough to turn the corner. I don't know why Tasigur or Angler isn't where you'd want to be, they stone wall and win games, pretty much any black deck runs them, unless it also runs Bob. Also the package is utility, at worst it's a tapped land, at best it's any utility land in my deck or a kill spell or a chalice or anything I want really, it has its uses.
>>47044752
Thing about trinket mage, is I run chalice. This means I don't run many 1 drop artifacts, and tolaria west can search out any other card in my deck trinket mage can, as well as my utility lands and a slaughter pact.
Should I just convert my RG Summoning Trap to RG Scapeshift? Not sure if the gimmick of cheating out Emrakul with Through the Breach or Summoning Trap is worth it.
>>47045129
>If you go to school specifically to get a job after with your education you're obviously either in some middle management shithole or a trademonkey.
>Many people go to school to learn about things they are passionate in
we can't all be professional baristas with terminal degrees in intersectional feminism
>>47045259
>we can't all be professional baristas with terminal degrees in intersectional feminism
Sure why not? Post secondary just teaches you of courses you love along with skills like thinking critically. There's side effects of post secondary education, like you're significantly less likely to have a divorce. Thinking you should only get a degree so you can get a job with it is a great way to ignore your passion
>>47045153
Chalice is effective on 0 in some matches. More to the point, while it is most definitely a nonbo with 1 drops given its most common setting, I still think you can get away a small utility package mb or even sideboard. Trinket Mage seems like it has the most flexibility and value. About the only thing you can't do is search for your utility lands which begs the question:why not both?
>>47044629
If I wanted subhumans in my house, I'd get a cat or dog.
>>47045602
Don't cut yourself anon.
>>47045153
>To be honest I don't know where Tezz decks shine.
The deck has already been tuned. You could probably find a primer and save yourself the hassle of asking in a modern general.
>>47045129
>Many people go to school to learn about things they are passionate in
Most people don't have the latitude of a free ride.
>>47045663
If practicality is edgy, then so be it.
How does Ground seal interact with delirium? I don't think delirium is targeting the cards in the graveyard, but weirder interactions have happened.
With experience on the matter. Infect does beat jund. See happen all the time, both my friends own those decks.
>>47045800
>I don't think delirium is targeting the cards in the graveyard
Then why would you consider Ground Seal to be relevant?
What weird interactions are you referring to?
>>47045817
Last thread there was a guy who claimed that he owned both infect and jund and that jund has a 70-30 matchup against infect, in his experience. Your personal experience matters just as much.
