Shitposting free edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>Novels (Working link as of 02/02/2016)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
So are devastators ever worth using outside of Skyhammer or should I just not bother?
>>47013836
they are worth it
>>47013847
With what loadout?
Seems heavy bolters would only be good against horde armies with Imperial Fists tactics.
Maybe lascannons I guess?
3rd for 3rd
>>47013793
How do you guys deal with getting rid of recasts? I have a Blood Angels army that I am trying to sell. While most of it is GW plastic, a significant portion is recast. I don't want to sell it on eBay and lie to anyone about what they're made of, and at the same time I don't want to get reported to the tabletop gestapo
So 40k General, what 40k related stuff are you doing this weekend? What are you working on? Who/what are you playing? Or maybe you're just fluffing out a unique character for your army.
Whatever it is, tell me about it.
Rate this deal, /tg/:
10x Mandrakes
12x Grotesques
8x Scourges
Ran me $25 total and sets me up with enough mans to run 2 full Grotesqueries and now 3 squads of Scourges. The Mandrakes are just icing on the cake.
>>47013775
>>47013834
Turbo penetrator is 2+/4+ to hit, 4+ to wound but then inflicts D3 wounds to the model. The chances of killing a single wound model with it are about 45% while hellfire is 76%.
>>47013862
I don't play regular marines, but most take missile launchers or lascannons. Depends on the rest of your list really. Don't take plasma cannons though.
>>47013929
I actually managed to crank out the fluff for my Tau the other day. Cleaned my desk while I wait for my large Dark Eldar order to get here. Still have some Tau stuff, Kaldor Draigo, and my newer Dark Eldar stuff to paint, but I really don't want to right now.
Wow, I actually managed to get in early this time.
Sup guys, newbie here with a 500 point Blood Angels army. I've got a captain, a furioso dreadnought in a drop pod, and two 5-man tactical squads. I'm looking for suggestions on how to kit them out for 500 point games until I can afford some more models. The first purchase I was going to make is either a Death Company squad, unless I get some suggestions otherwise.
Here's how I've got them kitted now:
Captain: Valour's Edge, Jump pack, artificer armor.
Dreadnought: Frag cannon, heavy flamer, power fist, magna-grapple, drop pod
Tac Squads are identical: vanilla marines with veteran sergeants, each with a power sword.
>>47013929
Nothing because my best friend has my models and is painting them for me.
So I'm just sitting at home trying to decide how to change my chapter's fluff because I don't think they're working out as Imperial Fists successors right now.
>>47013972
Well, perhaps we can help you. Tell us about your chapter. And why don't you think they work as IF successors
>>47013860
...Fortress? What are you using that has four more emplaced heavy bolters facing one direction? Because I would want that.
>>47013929
I'm putting the finishing touches on my Choas Terminator squad, last bits of assembly and getting them on bases.
It's only a 3 man squad though, which means I've got 2 more models in the box and nothing to do with them
I've got a large backlog of stuff, so I've been trying to work my way through it recently.
>>47013879
Just say you got it second hand and its possible/probable recast.
>>47013943
That's a goddamn steal.
They look like they need a bit fixing up, but that many models and of that vintage for only $25 is amazing.
>>47013965
As far as I'm aware, and someone who actually knows blood angels feel free to jump in, but I was under the impression that blood angel tactical squads should totally roll with flamers and heavy flamers.
>>47013929
Making a model for my vigilator so I don't have to proxy anymore. He's got legs from Death Company, Shoulderpads from a vanguard and sternguard set, helmet from deathwing black knights, cape from commander set, sternguard heavy bolter..
*takes a deep breath*
Purity seals from a grey knight paladin seat, laser PEQ from anvil industries, and his base is a metric ton of bolt shell casings also from anvil, with one leg propped up on a sprue block.
I haven't decided on a name yet. But the model's total height is easilly double that of a tac marine, and he's now the most distinctive model in my collection
>>47013947
Check your math. 2+/4+ is (5/6)+(3/6)*(1/6). That's a 91.67% chance of hitting a target. Hellfire rounds have a 5/6 chance of wounding, so that makes 76.4% chance of wounding.
Turbo-pen have the same chance of hitting, then cause D3 wounds at the usual 3/6 chance of wounding. The average of D3 is 2, so it's .9167*(3/6)*2, which equals 91.67% chance of wounding, as was stated.
Lastly, there is nothing that says it's D3 wounds to the model. It says target, which means it is allocated to the unit from the wound pool as normal. The rulebook uses "target" to refer to the unit, not models within the unit. It's the same reason you don't use a model's given toughness, you use the average toughness of the unit.
>>47014015
Macro Cannon Strongpoint with 3 void shields and 4 emplaced bolters. Once I get the model, my idea will be to have a Swivel ring to mount HBs onto during deployment.
Vigilator has a HB, Dev squad has 4, and the fort has 4. That's where the total of 9 comes from.
>>47014006
I'm on my laptop so I don't have my full document but I can give a general run down.
>Imperium notices that a certain system seems to keep attracting tyranids so they decide to station a chapter there
>Chapter is mostly drawn from the largest world in the system, very medieval world, people these used to worship a Storm God, now believe the Emperor is said god
>Chapter believes the Emperor has tasked them with keeping the tyranids that keep popping up in their system contained
>Due to the fact that this tyranid hive fleet seems to only focus on their system, Chapter decides to lock the system down - nobody in, nobody out
>Chapter's captains also hold titles of nobility on their homeworld and are sometimes forced to attend meetings of all the nobles, causing lower rank battle brothers to distrust their homeworld
>Favored weaponry of the chapter is mostly plasma equipment but there is a tendency to deploy massive amounts of heavy bolters
I dunno what it is about it, but something doesn't feel Imperial Fist-y to me.
Also the whole "fleet won't go away" is more of an explanation as to why my best friend's tyranids are constantly attacking only planets in that system.
>>47014110
>Massive amounts of Heavy bolters
>Fortifying a single position
Sounds like Fists to me.
>>47014136
Well they don't fortify just their homeworld.
The reason they locked down their system is because they're basically locked in an endless war with the tyranids.
Tyranids take one planet while the chapter takes back another. Marines rush to recapture that planet, 'Nids fuck off to take another.
I dunno, I guess I just didn't think the kind of cat-and-mouse thing was IF tier.
>>47013836
>>47013862
They are decent with LCs and also fulfill a Battle Company tax and are cheaper (but worse) than Grav Centurions for that.
>>47014057
I actually ran that for my first three games, but the heavy flamers proved to be less effective than an extra attack from a power sword in assault phase, mostly because a lot of the other new guys that I'm playing are running Tau. Thanks for the suggestion though!
>>47014168
>Recapturing a Nid planet
Why would you recapture a husk anon?
>>47014110
Sounds very cool. They somewhat sound like space brets, which is A OK in my book.
>I dunno what it is about it, but something doesn't feel Imperial Fist-y to me.
It certainly isn't. But I can't really think of a loyalist legion that would fit that. Perhaps you should go with chapter of unknown orgin? That would allow you to hint at being the result of using traitor gene-seed, but even then I can't really think of a legion that would fit that.
>>47014191
Maybe there's some big secret Mechanicus vault deep in some mountain or something, filled with...stuff...
>>47014191
There could be remaining non-edible valuables.
>>47014191
I actually explain it partially in my Tau's fluff. They essentially use them as blank canvases for terraforming research.
>>47013929
Putting together a Cronos. I'll probably basecoat it and that'll be it for a long while as it joins several hundred other Dark Eldar models that are based but sitting around in a shelf.
I still have several boxes to put together. Maybe one day I'll paint them. How do you motivate yourself to paint a massive army?
>>47014191
Sorry, I'm really tired and probably keep leaving out a lot.
Remember I said that the captains are all nobles on their home planet?
For a reason that I need to either remove or refine, the chapter is sometimes required to do whatever the other nobles demand.
So it's usually
>Oi! Power armored fuckers! Those damn bugs took me land again. GO FUCKING GET IT BACK OR NO MORE RECRUITS FOR YOU GITS.
>We will do so.
>>47014218
>>47014225
I could change it to something like this instead of being bossed around by dickass nobles.
>>47014212
I could do that, I'll have to see if I could alter anything to fit my favorite LegionWorld Eaters.
>>47014253
I set what I want to paint on my desk so that it sits there and guilts me into painting it. Like when I get really bored it'll just stare at me and I'll give in.
Don't Tyranids eat a lot of the terrain too to get iron and other minerals?
>>47014191
Not him, but there are many different reasons they could do that. If he wants to go really heavy on the feudalism stuff, which why would he not, space knights are metal and rad as fuck, then it could be the result of some honor thing. Like how Brets couldn't flee a charge without losing the lady's blessing, because being a coward and letting the enemy have any planet isn't honorable or knightly, that's for serfs and peasants and fuck those guys.
>>47014225
>Non-edible
Define 'non-edible'
>>47014253
>>47014270
I also have motivation problems. I want to paint but I'm always too lazy to take the first step. The few times I actually will myself into picking up a brush I usually paint for a good 4+ hours.
I've done the "leave your station set up and models out in the open" thing and it just ends up with dusty shit cause it's sat there for months.
Space Odin's Ork Codex 7th Edition Update!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7gu5nz71g9bhno/Orks%20BSR.bsr?dl=0
Here's the link to the BSR file for BattleScribe. Changes from the GW Ork codexobvious thoughtless 5th Ed. copy-paste shit-show that it was, with few exceptionsare plentiful & numerous, so I'll summarize:
> Points adjustments (BS2 guns, FFS; Nob bikers)
> Accurate profiles (Super-heavy Orkanauts)
> Nerfs eliminated (Cowardly Grots, points bloat)
> More than 2 melee weapons for the melee army
> Double initiative dependent on LD checks & Fleet from 'Ere We Go
> LD dependent on numbers from Mob Rule (old MR back)
> Ramshackle Chart back
> Invuln saves back (Bubble Field Gubbinz for 10 points)
> Waaagh! benefits shooty armies by Twin-linking shootas that don't assault
> Fuck BattleScribe, shit's hard
Enjoy! I'm open to feedback.
>>47014253
Sit down and force yourself to paint one model. You don't buy, paint, assemble or even look at another one until the current one is done.
>>47014301
Put a sticky note on your monitor for every day you don't paint and don't remove them until you have a fulfilling session of painting.
>>47014074
No, you keep saying you roll the D3 before you roll to wound but that's completely wrong. You roll to hit which, if it hits, gives you a single hit, not a wound.
You must then roll to wound on a 4+ to turn that single hit in to a wound.
>>47014288
You know, rare and valuable ores. Maybe some tech stuff. Anything non-organic which the Tyranids wouldn't be interested in munching on.
>>47014301
>>47014270
I always feel like as soon as I start one they all need to be painted. Clearly the painted ones will look out of place against the purely black models, and so I just don't bother at all because if I paint one they'll all have to follow. That could be motivation if I ever actually committed. I'm also not the greatest painter but won't accept anything short of perfection, so to avoid that I just don't bother.
Good thing I don't actually play the game because I don't have friends or a local store near enough to be convenient, so the only one that has to see a 300 model basecoated army is me.
>>47014267
Nah, don't change it, space knights are cool.
Keep it being because that's what they're supposed to do as nobles/space knights, not because the planet is important in some way, but because fuck letting stupid nids show up the emperor's finest, and seeing as it sounds like they'd be a more religious chapter with the whole storm god thing, they would definitely not want to let the emperor down.
>>47014338
Is the stuff in that pic models you've painted?
>>47013947
>>47014324
I mentioned this in the other thread, but I'll say it here too.
You shoot and roll to hit the unit as normal. You then roll a D3 and roll to wound the unit that many times as normal. Then, because it's a precision shot, you then allocate the wounds from the wound pool to the model (or models) of your choice, as is stated in the rule.
>>47014324
You seem to be consistently confusing this with Destroyer weapons. Notice the difference in the phrasing here
>Deathblow: The model suffers a hit that wounds automatically and causes it to lose D6+6 Wounds instead of 1.
It specifies model, unlike turbo-penetrators.
>>47014337
>wouldn't be interested in munching on
That's what Pyrovores are for. Just eat all of it
>>47014338
I don't even field shit until it's fully painted, or at least 99% complete (base, all the colors and details and washes). I just need to add some grass tufts, blood splatter, and highlights to finish them.
I thought this would motivate me to paint faster so I can field a better army, but that failed.
>>47014364
I wish I was that good. It's a picture from the Dark Eldar codex.
>>47014324
After you roll to wound you have a wound which is then ALLOCATED to a model.
"The model gets to make a saving throw, if it has one. If it fails, reduce THAT models wounds by 1."
This is the part when you inflict wounds, rather than reduce it by 1 it reduces it by D3 as per the turbo peniteaitors special rule.
What do you believe the direction of a good ork codex would be? I often hear complaints that the current codex had no clear direction as to what an ork army is supposed to do/be.
>>47014321
If I had a way to force those sticky notes to stay on the monitor I'd paint every damn day. How am I supposed to play video games or shitpost on /tg/ if a fucking 4 inch square is blocking a corner of my monitor?
>>47014324
Another example of Destroyer weapons, which you seem to be mistaking this for. Notice the clear phrasing that, once hit, you roll the wounds for that given model.
With vindicares, you don't even choose what model you are wounding until the To Hit/To Wound rolls are already done and you have a precision shot wound pool to allocate from.
>>47014441
>How am I supposed to play video games or shitpost on /tg/ if a fucking 4 inch square is blocking a corner of my monitor?
Which is kind of the point.
>>47014392
From what I've read, they "consume all organic biomass until nothing more than a lifeless ball of rock remains". Meaning, they don't eat the rock itself. So if there was some rare metal, which was valuable to the Imperium but was useless to the Tyranids, they'd leave it behind.
>>47014437
It doesn't say that though. That is how Destroyer weapons are phrased. The vindicare just says that shots inflict D3 wounds, not "a model hit by a turbo-penetrator round loses D3 Wounds instead of 1."
>>47014383
Mate, no, that's just not how it works.
-You roll to hit.
-You roll to wound.
-You allocate wounds, as you have precision shot you get to allocate to the model you want.
-Saves are taken, negating wounds if passed.
-wounds are inflicted, this is where you inflict D3 wounds.
You're the one talking about destroyer weapons, I never said anything about them.
>>47014346
Cool, thanks anon.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I could maybe have them be World Eaters successors and they go with the whole honorable space knights thing to keep people from realizing where their geneseed came from.
That might be too snowflake though.
>>47014311
it helps if you put it in a commonly readable format
>>47014464
He doesn't have a destroyer weapon, his shots are not strength D. I don't know why you think I think his shots are destroyer because they're not.
There is a very clear order of events set out in the rule book and because of the order of events you have to follow it cannot spill over.
>>47013929
I'm currently painting my first army, looking to get into the game.
I've also got a few of my friends interested in Only War, it'll be my first time DMing.
Here's a pic of my fourth model I've done, it's one of the $10 snapfits, and I like this scheme better than the one I was doing for the first three.
So I've been thinking of some fun lists to include my genestealer cult and a captured/infested renegade knight.
Flyrant
Flyrant
Venomthrope
Mucolid
Mucolid
Flyrant
Flyrant
Mucolid
Mucolid
Genestealer Cult--
Patriarch
Magus
Acolyte x 12
Acolyte x 12
Renegade Titan
Comes out to around 1800 without decking out the titan and I can always sub in rippers for scoring, what you guys think?
>>47014524
I'm bringing up Destroyer weapons becausse you are speaking as if turbo-penetrator rounds work in the same way.
The sheet says "shots" against the unit inflict D3 wounds not "wounds" cause a model to lose D3 wounds.
Destroyer weapons and turbo-penetrator rounds have very different descriptions for what they do, yet you act like they do the same thing. They don't.
>>47014569
I'm saying they _aren't_ Destroyer weapons. They don't work like destroyer weapons. You are saying they do what destroyer weapons do (one model is wounded D3 times), but they don't. They are described differently. Their rules are explained differently.
>>47014501
Metal isn't a rock anon. Pyrovores are specifically there to melt anything that other consuming tyranids can't eat.
Tyranids can take everything that could feasibly be useful.
>>47014569
I don't know how you are missing the concept of turbo PENETRATOR rounds. They penetrate the target and hit the guy behind. Obviously they are meant to hit multiple models.
>>47014645
Or they're just referring to armor penetration, such as just being really good at getting through tanks or terminator armor.
>>47014622
Yeah, but there's stuff that humans would consider "useful" that Tyranids wouldn't.
Maybe there's an ancient stone monolith which has been engraved with the true names of powerful Daemons. To a Radical Inquisitor, it is a dangerous but valuable resource. To the Tyranids, it's just another rock.
>>47014671
Well, they are good at penetrating through tank armor, but any of the other ammos pierce any personal armour already with AP2, and shield-breakers are there for the really tough stuff like iron halos.
But with the right line up, you could hit two or even three guys with one of these super penetrating rounds.
>>47014616
They're not destroyer weapons, stop bringing up destroyer weapons.
It works in a similar way to destroyer weapons but that does not mean it's a destroyer weapon.
Just because it is NOT a destroyer weapon it does not mean it that it cannot be comparable to one.
You seem to think it causes D3 hits but thats completely wrong, it inflicts D3 wounds rather than 1.
If you look in your rule book on pages 34 and 35 it will tell you so.
>>47014745
Why would they work like destroyer weapons if their descriptions are completely different from them? They could have just said "This inflicts D3 Wounds on any model wounded" like other special weapons do.
And which rulebook? Screenshot it if you would.
What are your guys' takes on Culexus and Callidus assassins? Are they worth the points cost?
I was playing with the idea of getting a couple 10 man squads of wyrdvane psykers and moving them forward with a Culexus for a terrifying 18" 20+ shot s5ap1 BS8 death barrage which should be able to shred heavy infantry and tau big boyz. Keeping it alive past a single shot could pose to be a problem though. Or even getting them in range. It would cost 380 points, but I've seen guard players make dumber investments
>>47014724
Considering how powerful it is I bet you would be able to kill maybe 4 or 5 orks with one shot from a lascannon.
>>47014833
Are lascannons described as penetrating through multiple layers (or heads) like the rounds are?They do with movie marines.
>>47014817
I can't screen shot. Page 34 and 35 of the warhammer 40k rule book describes how to resolve shooting attacks, it goes like this
Roll to hit.
Roll to wound.
Allocate successful wound rolls to models.
Roll saves.
Inflict wounds.
>>47014823
Culexus is a dark horse anti-psyker unit that is well known yet never sees play, then people constantly complain about psychic deathstars despite the fact that they didn't even try to shut down the enemy psykers.
Callidus are waifus who need buffs on the table like most assault units that aren't a dog, wolf, or wraith chassis.
>>47014897
Actually, now that you mention it, you are kinda right, kinda wrong. I see where you are coming from now. Give me a second.
>>47014897
You are right in that you don't treat them as new "hits" and don't make 3 separate To Wound rolls.
You are wrong in that they must be allocated to one given model and the excess are lost. A successful To Wound roll then adds D3 wounds to the Wound Pool (the thing you were forgetting). That's the part I was messing up.
You wanna know why I hate Leman Russ?
It's not because of his boner-inducing penchant for teamkilling.
It's not because of his hypocrisy in regards to Nikea and psykers.
It's not because of his inability to back up his boastful nature (see his fights with Lion El'Jonson and Angron).
It's because immediately upon swearing fealty to the Emperor as the 2nd found primarch he had to upstage Horus and his LUNA WOLVES with his own superlative legion title.
Two "official" fucking legions in and we have the Luna Wolves and the Space Wolves.
What a fucking douchebag.
>>47015118
if, however, all three wounds are assigned to the same model through precision shot, the excess would be lost?
>>47015201
>tfw luna wolves had a better color scheme than sons of horus
>>47015118
I'm inclined to agree with this assessment. It would have been easy for them to add 'on a single model' after 'inflict D3 Wounds.' But they didn't. And everything else you said makes good sense.
>>47015208
I would say so.
>>47015201
I hate Leman Rids because of AV14 fronts and as an Ork player it is quite hard to engage them at range
>>47015208
>>47015244
It says, quite plainly, that wounds are allocated one at a time, saved against, and then the next wound is allocated. If a model is removed as a casualty, you allocate to the next. So, as long as there are still models in that unit, you shouldn't be wasting any wounds.
>>47014823
Flesh Tearers Deep Strike. Dump the whole ball on them turn 0.
>>47015269
oh my mistake then. yeah it is pretty clear.
>>47015201
Didn't Russ technically wanted them to be called "the Rout" or "Vyka Fenris" but then everyone started calling them space wolves and he just rolled with it.
>basically pulled a Khan but decided not to hold a huge ass grudge about the common Imperial not "getting him or his legion"
>>47014590
What kind of Guardsmen are those?
>>47014051
Most of them are new in the blister, the ones that aren't have all their pieces. The Scourges are only primed black.
I'm having a hard time coming up with an 1850 list using 2 full Grotesqueries, as they're extremely expensive to field. It's cutting dangerously into my anti-armor loadout and I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that.
>>47015399
They're the basic Cadian models in my own color scheme.
Unless you mean the regiment, in which case they're my own which I'll fluff up later.
>>47015249
Get REKT xenos
Question for you /40kg/.
Could there be a deldar/corsair kabal that survived purely on strong feelings of love, artistic passion, brotherhood, etc? Like goodguy deldar.
>>47015201
I approve of your arbitrary reasons for hatred and rage.
>>47015505
Corsairs could but the whole point of DE is that they do the opposite of that shit to literally die. To do that kind of stuff is the same as slowly poisoning yourself or asking if there is a fish that can live without water.
Yes I know there's that one fish that has lungs shutup.
>>47015505
As a DEldar player... technically I think so.
Dark Eldar feed off of strong emotions to satisfy She Who Thirsts and prevent him from sucking their own souls away. The effect lessens over time though so they need more and more strong emotions to stave off the soul sucking, like a drug addiction. Slaanesh however is the god of excess, and that means *all* excessive emotion, be it fear, love, hate, hunger, ambition, any kind of passion taken too far. In the case of the Dark Eldar, their idea of pleasure and pain have sort of collapsed on top of one another so there's little difference between the two for them. Plus, pragmatically, it's a lot easier for them to sow fear and terror than it is excessive warm fuzzy feelings, and since it's literally the only thing keeping them alive, they're going to go for what works every time.
So yes, IMO it's technically possible, but I doubt they'd ever do it.
>>47015525
I thought they just fed on strong emotions in general (in order to sustain their souls and out-excess Slaanesh), not specifically evil stuff but the evil stuff is generally easier to come by.
>>47015587
Kind of hard to be a good pirate if you're into that sort of stuff.
Hi guys, I just recently started playing 40k, mainly with my cousin so I can field proxy armies to get a feel for how all the factions work. The problem is, he only plays Iron Hands with Land Raider and Centurion heavy armies (plus a Deredeo pattern Dreadnought he holes up in 4+ cover with IWND and a Techpriest for BotO), and considers Destroyer, Gauss, Lance, Haywire, and Graviton weaponry to be cheese, as well as massed Railguns and Force weapons.
How do I beat him (or at least not get #rekt) without using any of the weapons designed to his army?
>>47015299
oh my god, that takes the multi-army powerplay to a disgusting level but that would be fucking dirty
>>47015648
Are you saying he uses centurions, but not grav ones because he considers it cheese? There are alot of ways to beat his army. Depends on what you play.
>>47015610
Use it as a front. Be genuinely kind and lovey-dovey to your targets, then slash their throats open when they least expect it. I don't think there's many emotions stronger than a freshly pre-meditated back-stabbing.
>>47014590
Nice color scheme, but photo is really out of focus. Preview your pictures before posting them
>>47015648
Bring things he considers cheese anyway. If he doesn't like it tell him he's not playing 3rd edition anymore and that you need to learn modern tactics.
>>47015674
It's not going to work, though. That's nearly 500 points and it can't hurt AV12+ (or T9+), and it's going to die before it can get in a second round of shooting. What unit costs over 400 points and isn't AV12 or better?
>>47015648
60 multi-meltas
>>47015742
Ah, thanks! Glad you like it. How can I focus the photo better? I'm posting them from my phone, if this matters.
>>47015249
Blitzbombas might serve you well
>>47015758
yeah, survivability is the big problem there. Need to find a way to make it get through a few turns. I'm not concerned about higher level armour values; as long as you're not playing just a 500 point game, you can take dedicated anti-armour units... Av12+ units usually comprise a minority of an army's points, and they tend to founder when cut off from supporting infantry
>>47015719
He uses Centurions with Chainfists and Hurricane Bolters. He complains when I take Graviton weapons to counter them.
I don't play any army now; I don't own any models. Could you point me in the direction of an army that can beat him without "cheese"?
>>47015648
Bring Grey Knights, cast Hammerhand on a unit with hammers, introduce his land raiders to multiple S10 hits. Give his deredeo some meltabombs to the tailpipe. Anyway, if he uses a Deredeo and complains about cheese, he's an idiot, the Deredeo is fucking incredible in the hands of a competent player
>>47015793
Tried those, he always brings a Master of the Fleet to fuck reserves up and then they get btfo'd by his Vendettas when they do get in
>>47015809
I don't think you're seeing the real issue here. Even if the assassin had split fire, all those shots are from a single weapon and they're not blast/template. There's no way you could possibly use it to kill more than one enemy unit a turn. That means it can't ever kill as many points as it costs you, because the only units that cost that much are superheavies that it can't hurt.
>>47015831
armies have different builds that could easily take on what he's bringing. I play grey knights so just do what >>47015835 is suggesting along with a couple dreadknights. I guess you don't have to activate the force on the weapons if he thinks force is cheese for some reason.
>>47015789
Don't point your camera too close to the model, shine a light at it, for starters.
Someone post that photo-taking guide picture
>>47015831
Oh, he's taking Assault Centurions. That's a bit different.
Well, looking over the list, Necrons are out right away, since you can't not take Gauss. Eldar and Dark Eldar probably are as well, since Eldar have a lot of Destroyer and Lance, and Dark Eldar rely on Lance and Haywire for their anti-tank. Haywire and massed Railguns puts a damper on Tau, and while technically you could spam melta or plasma instead, I get the feeling he would just claim that as cheese instead.
Here's the thing though. Your cousin is playing a tank-heavy army, with lots of durable units that demand anti-tank weapons, and then calling any of those weapons 'cheese'.
He's saying 'any weapon that counters my army is cheese'
He's not the best judge of what is fair or unfair, and while some of those things you listed are quite annoying, others aren't at all.
I'd suggest trying out Salamanders with quite a few meltaguns to see if you can pull something off with them. Maybe try Tau with lots of melta/plasma crisis suits if he doesn't REEEE at that. Ad Mech could be an option, but I think they use Haywire as well.
>>47015856
Have you ever asked him why he bullies the worst army in the game
>>47015835
First time I ever beat him was with a Grey Knights deathstar. That's when he declared dozens of force weapons to be cheese. Honestly, I kind of agree with him on that one, and Destroyer weapons as well.
>>47015919
Your cousin is an idiot. He brings a heavy vehicle based force and then calls any anti-vehicle weapons to be 'cheese'? as >>47015902 said, he's a dipshit who cannot into fair games, and probably doesnt play outside of anywhere he can houserule his arm into playability.
Putting together some Leviathan Dreads. Debating if I should use the Metla Lance since a lot of things in HH have Armored Ceremite. Any thoughts?
>>47015868
That's also a fair point; but again, getting it a tad more survivability can make points positive. Even just getting it two rounds of shots (I can think of plenty of units that cost upwards of 250 points after upgrades; especially in the big meta armies, which use them as a critical part of their strategy)
Not to mention that once they take down the callidus, you have 2 units of psykers within template range to go down in a blaze of glory
I think it would also be worth considering adding a second culexus; adding 20% cost to literally double the output could also help make it points positive (unless I'm missing something in the rules). You'd still have to hit two targets of 320 points though, so it would still likely be untenable if we couldn't find a way to make them stick around for a second shooting phase; if they could, four targets of 160 would be very viable
>>47015919
Cheese is such a stupid term. It completely shuts down all logical thinking on the tactic. You're just throwing your hands up and saying it's too good.
D-Scythes in a deep-striking Raider are cheese. Except against, idk, flyers, which they're completely useless against.
Flyers are cheese, except against interceptor skyfire, of course.
Interceptor is cheese, except against really tough units or lots and lots of deep striking units all at once.
High toughness monstrous creatures and/or gargantuans are cheese, unless you bring poison or fleshbane or actually know how to position your tanks for lethal tank shocks.
And around and around this little dance goes. I've knuckled under a Necron Decurion with Dark Eldar. I've fought 2+ rerolling Dark Angels, I've played against scatterbike swarms, it doesn't matter. There's always a way to win. The game is in a rock-paper-scissors mode right now though so one list isn't always going to come out on top.
>>47015915
Haha his normal layout is something like
Command with Matter of Fleet and Ord
2-3 Psychic Shriekers
Vets with flamers and Meltas
Chimeras with HF hull
Vendettas with 6 man HWS with 3 meltas
2 Wyverns
0-2 Basilisk
1-2 Demolisher Leman Russ
List is just obscenely oppressive
>>47015505
Alright, I came up with some fluff.
>Wych is becomng increasingly depressed with the sex drugs and rock and roll
>the only time she is calm is when she is fighting
>she was taught to fight by this super old male wych who told her how to be extremely precise, cold, calculating, yet artistic in her martial arts
>she never actually saw him participate much in the sex drugs and rock and roll but she sort of assumed that he did at SOME point since he was so well respected despite being a low-ranked male wych
>one day he got called to go fight for their sponsoring kabal
>eventually they came back without him, said he was dead
>rip
>wych goes into severe depression, even worse than before since this guy was one of the very few people she ever had a serious emotional connection with beyond partying hard and sex
Later...
>Her kabal sponsors and many of their buddy kabals show up to one of her performances
>by this time she's risen through the ranks and is known for being especially brutal, but clean and cold
>she is told to go "fight" some IG PoW's that get armed with clubs
>it's gonna be a slaughter
>tears through most of them with zero trouble
>last one standing is this old-as-fuck commisar who they actually gave a blade to (still rusty and shitty though)
>he starts fighting her and she's actually challenged
>she notices that he looks a lot like her old master, but... nah, it's just the gray hair
>she gets a good hit in, knocks out his leg
>he's on his knees
>"Finish it, xeno bitch!"
>she just stands there
>takes the sword off his neck
>books it out of there
>kabal gets super pissed cause the autarch was trying to impress his friends with his best fighters
>tries to chase her down
>she smuggles herself into a Corsair ship that was trading for weapons
On the ship...
>she gets discovered by a Corsair
>basically ends up trading sex for silence
>this expands until she's essentially a prostitute/rape bag for half the ship
>captain finds out about this
1/2
>>47014440
In my case, I brought it back to high risk/high reward rather than "pay out the ass for inferior garbage." You damn well better make the charge yourself, or you'll get just as wrecked as ever.
You need to decide the best moment for the Waaagh!, and which units will use it to charge or shoot. You can decide between different variations of shooty or choppy, or a balance between the two. Either way, rely on numbers backed by small teams of specialists to help distract from your objective-grabbers--though they can hold their own now.
Sufficient options against super-heavies & gargs ought to exist.
>>47016016
I don't think a second round of shooting is likely at all. You have to bring enough assassins to kill all of his template/blast weapons, or you're not going to have any psykers in range for the second turn. Or any assassins for that matter, templates don't give a fuck about BS1. If he has a land raider redeemer, you're completely fucked.
The only way I can see this working is as a distraction for something big and scary charging downrange that probably wouldn't survive otherwise. Maybe this is a way to make repentia and penitent engines playable?
>>47016129
2/2
>"not on my professional space pirate ship"
>feels bad for her, says he's gonna lock her in the brig for her own safety and then drop her on the next corsair hub they get to (if they'll take a deldar)
>while chilling in the brig, she gets pissed about the whole "raped-and-then-kicked-out dea;"
>escapes, blows the fuck out of most of the ship, steals a small fighter/shuttle
that's about as far as I've got. Then she'll somehow reunite with her old master who isn't dead and start a corsair-deldar group based around a mix of zen buddhism in combat and passionate holy-roller-love in social life.
>>47013929
Working on painting some Chaos Space Marines and a Dark Vengeance Chaos Dreadnought, pretty much my first time painting anything since I was in High School. Got back into the game since I live near my dad now and he, my brother, and I all played 40K for pretty much the duration of the 3rd Edition and the beginning of the 4th when I was a kid. My dad and I really want to play now, so we're doing low to mid range games using 3.5-4th edition rules with our old armies (Communist Space Marines, Nautical themed Eldar, and a massive force of Spanish Inquisition themed Battle Sisters and a few Scarlet Grey Knights converted from old Dark Angel Veteran figures). I got into Chaos Space Marines since I wanted to play them as a kid with no money, we kinda need a force to oppose all dat Imperium that isn't just the Eldar being assholes, and they've been pretty cheap to get into thanks to picking up stuff from Dark Vengeance and converting some unmade Space Marines we still have from the 3rd Edition Boxed set. I'm hoping to knock out painting the Dreadnought and my kit bashed Chaos Marine Squad by the end of the week, I've got an actual Chaos Space Marine Squad coming in so I'm experimenting with the color scheme on the kit bashed squad.
Why doesn't an Inquisitor just pay of a particularly greedy Dark Eldar to sneak an exterminatus weapon into Commoragh?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016286
Because A) Vect will know ahead of time and put the exterminatus weapon in a political enemies child's nursery, B) comorragh is not common knowledge even to inquisitors, and C) exterminatus weapons dont just go missing, even with inquisitors around.
>>47013929
I have a shitload of things I haven't even touched yet, but I am no longer motivated to do shit.
>>47016286
>>47016310
Also Commoragh isn't homogenous, an exterminatus weapon can't get all of it at once.
Why doesn't an Inquisitor just pay of a particularly greedy fire warrior to sneak an exterminatus weapon onto Tau?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016160
I have some similar space elf fluff cooking. I have a low level Archon who fights hard, rises through the ranks, and ends up taking over an enormous spire and seeing her Kabal becoming a prominent member of the Inner Circle of Commorragh. After finally getting to the top though she realizes the life of a high-ranking Archon is less about pleasure and absolute power and more about being CONSTANTLY PARANOID that someone's going to try to off you and take your place. The pressures of her own success eventually drive her away from Commorragh altogether and she makes a deal with an Planetary Governor she'd been preying upon. Basically, she gets to set up a satellite realm on habitable moon and operate a port out of it, and she'll stop raiding and raping and pillaging his solar system. Considering that just the raping and pillaging alone account for over 40% of his annual losses, the Planetary Governor agrees, so long as it's all hush hush.
The Archon then moves in on the moon and hires a whole bunch of humans to work there, paying for everything through intermediary slaves posing as Imperial merchants. She sets up her own little pleasure planet and essentially runs the hottest resort in the sector. Now she gets her kicks by bringing people to entirely new levels of ecstasy rather than pain.
Why doesn't an Inquisitor just pay of a particularly greedy bloodletter to sneak an exterminatus weapon onto the Skull Throne?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016135
Okay, here we go:
Officio Assassinorum Detachments:
2x Culexus Assassin
1x Callidus Assassin
Astra Militarum Formation:
1x Psykana Division (2 full squads of psykers)
BA Flesh Tearers Strike Force:
1x Sanguinary Priest
1x Tac Squad (5) w/ Drop Pod
6x Drop Pod
Adepta Sororitas Allied Detachment:
1x Ministorum Priest w/ Eviscerator
1x Uriah Jacobus
1x Repentia squad (10)
1x Battle Sister squad (5)
1x Penitent Engine squad (3)
1825 points
I kind of want to try it out, but I just can't see how it could work out against anything at all with templates.
Why doesn't an Inquisitor just pay of a particularly greedy Ork Boy to sneak an exterminatus weapon into DA FIGHT?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016506
So taking two Inquisitorial warbands lets you drop in 24 psykers with only 25 points of HQ tax. Getting rid of the IG formation and the filler priest opens up enough points to take a second BA detachment, which means you'll have enough drop pods selections to take scouts instead of tactical squads for the dedicated transports, and you can get enough drop pods to deep strike a third culexus (replacing the callidus) on the first turn. That's 72 shots at S5 AP1 (plus 24 at S3 AP- because why not) before your opponent has a chance to do anything. Unfortunately, it also means 2/3 of your army is either going to die before your second turn or is useless chaff you only took because you had to.
Why doesn't Abbadon just pay of a particularly greedy Custode to sneak an exterminatus weapon onto Terra?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016730
Hypnotherapy makes this effectively impossible. The Heresy occurred because they were trained to follow their primarchs without question, not despite their training.
Anyone else think it would be fun to make a Techno Barbarian army using Humans count as Orks? I might need to make some changes and have a fan dex for it.
Why doesn't Israel just pay of a particularly greedy terrorist to sneak an exterminatus weapon onto New York?
Seems like a pretty simple way to deal with a massive threat
>>47016792
Plenty of astartes from the traitor legions remained loyal though, and some astartes from loyalist legions (Luther and his fallen) turned traitor.
Also, plenty of chapters, or even parts of chapters, have gone renegade since
>>47016801
Have a look at the 30k cults and militia army list. You could definitely make an awesome melee rabble (as well as a shitty close range shooting army) out of that list that will play along with your theme
>>47016801
Could work surprisingly well. The main thing that would be off would be Initiative 2 and multiple wounds on some things, but it could work as a good way to have that sort of force.
>>47013929
painting some imperial knight parts and reworking on my skitarii paint scheme
Pics from the apoc game today
http://imgur.com/a/wMv4E
Dont feel like doing a full battle report, but needless to say the tau/ork/legion alliance was shit on by the War convocation and piles upon piles of ignores cover units with very good cover saves after they unfortunately seized the initiative
Planes were shot down left and right, Fellblade was absolutely annihilated, tau were placed poorly and shit on. None of the legion stuff actually made it more than a foot out of deployment zone
>Praetor in rhino with squad
>Rhino immobilizes off the bat
>Squad gets out and footslogs
>fire raptor comes in, is intercepted by skitarii and shot down immediately, crashes onto praetor squad
>enemy vulture is shot down and crashes onto THE SAME SQUAD
>they just break and run
My kill krusha survived the whole game, but mostly because it wasnt very threatening and made a nice centerpiece model
My local GW is hiring, anyone have any experience working for GW and what I could expect if I apply/get hired?
>>47017065
If you apply, ATTITUDE counts for everything. Previous experience, mental capacity, and physical ability are all secondary concerns, if even that. GW hires for ATTITUDE, and ATTITUDE alone.
>>47017080
>>47017065
yup
my store recently hired as well
store manager basically said that it's all about talking to people (and getting them to buy more) knowing the rules and painting skills are secondary (though they're a bonus)
>>47016286
I don't think you understand the scale of Commorragh. Way back in the day, it was a huckhuge port city in the Webway, bigger than any craftworld out there today. There were other such cities throughout the webway too, but none so big as Commorragh. When Slaanesh happened, all those Webway cities were fine, and they all decided that staying inside the Webway would be a good idea.
But you know what is a better idea, the eldar nobles then asked. If they weren't separate cities anymore, they answered. So they began to fill all the extradimensional space between these huge cities with more cities. They opened up pocket realms and filled them with more cities. Eventually, they built so much extra urban space that there were no longer separate cities, just distracts of one super-massive city. This "city," which could hardly be called that in the first place, isn't just spread out like those on a given planet. It's spread into portals, around the webway, some within portals within portals, filling every niche they could in so many dimensions that normal mortals couldn't begin to map it.
Then Vect took this extra-galactic complex and decided it needed a single ruler, so he took it over, and he seized control of all the gates/portals that separated the districts from each other.
This "city" though (bigger and more populated than a million craftworlds combined) is better conceptualized as a tree, its buildings raised among many leaves and connected only by little stems. Central Commorragh is what people know best for the Kabals, but it and it's millions are hardly a twig amongst a soaring, ancient oak.
So you say, "nuke it." You will snip one leaf from an immensely, impossible-to-comprehend huge tree. They lose more pocket realms to in-fighting every week. Nothing will be accomplished.Unless Knaine's Gate breaks. Then the entirely of Slaanesh and her daemons will fully invade and wipe it out.
>>47013836
They are worth taking primarily to fill and ant-vehicle and anti mc role, particularly effective with fists chapter tactics. Though there are other things that might be better suited, especially in larger points games, 4 lazcannon shots is nothing to be sniffed at.
>>47013836
>>47017287
Don't forget Raven Guard.
You can have Devastators with ignore cover.
4 lascannons with ignore cover is huge.
>>47016958
>tau were so bad they aren't even in the photos
lol
>>47017346
RG devs have ignore cover?
>>47017359
No, but their "Demi-Company" let a scout sergeant renounce to his shooting to give Ignore Cover on another unit in the same formation.
You just keep a sniper squad (which isn't bad) with your devastators, and you devastator ignore cover and access to all the goodies their Detachment offers.
with the new flyer rules is fielding an air-to-air flyer and keeping it in reserves a good enough air deterrent?not that it really matters because neither of the fliers in my codex are very good at air-to-air
>>47014253
I dislike playing with unpainted models, so I paint stuff to play.
>>47014823
Thought wyrdwanes were brotherhood of psykers and not individual psykers, so you only get like 2 warp charges
Rate list:
Exalted Court:
High King: Knight Atrapos with Mark of the Omnissiah
Knight Acheron
Knight Warden
Knight Paladin
Knight Gallant with Stormspear, and Melta because 5 points left over.
>>47017625
No anti-air/10.
>>47017359
No, but their "Demi-Company" let a scout sergeant renounce to his shooting to give Ignore Cover on another unit in the same formation.
You just keep a sniper squad (which isn't bad) with your devastators, and you devastator ignore cover and access to all the goodies their Detachment offers.
Who may scan this? Plz
>>47017649
Don't need it. If one of the opposing flyers wants to land on an objective I can focus fire it next turn, and if not, they're a harmless nuisance.
Is there a pdf for Death From the Skies?
>>47017725
"Is there a PDF of a book that ain't out yet?", yelled a mouth-breathing hick.
>>47017778
He was only asking, micro-Hitler.
>>47017788
>Micro-Hitler
Don't exaggerate.
>>47017725
It's not even fucking out yet you dumb fucking nigger you could have easily looked it up on GW's site and see it's still on pre-order status.
I've grown to like new style wraiths too over time, but what was wrong with old style Wraiths?
>>47017831
They wanted to start a "canoptek" aesthetic, and wraiths were convenient for the change.
>>47017819
Are the leaks coming from store managers?
>>47017831
Nothing, but having Newcrons meant you can't just have everything be Oldcron style "everything is a warrior, but with different bodies" models. They also needed to push the new Canoptek AI range to fit the fluff and newer, more modern, computer designed sculpts.
That's why you have robo wraiths and spiders that look like sleeker versions of the old spider.
>>47017846
No, GW decided to post a few rule screenshots on their daily blog for some reason. Usually it's just worthless advertisements or non-news.
I'm sure people do have the rulebook by now though it comes out next week.
Attack patterns:
2 planes:
*one gets +1bs (against appropriate target) and +1 to jink save.
3 planes:
* Flat out and Shoot/bomb (appropriate target) at full bs
* Tank hunter vs appropriate target / Reroll to pen rolls with bombs
* Shooting/Bombs Ignore cover vs appropriate target
4 planes:
* one gets +1bs (against appropriate target) and +1 to jink save. + all get Tank hunter vs appropriate target / Reroll to pen rolls with bombs and Shooting/Bombs Ignore cover vs appropriate target
* 4++, IWND, Interceptor (on all)
* Pick one unit that all 4 planes have LoS to. PERMANENT preferred enemy against ANY unit of it's kind. (I.E: You pick ONE Tactical squad, You get permanent Preferred Enemy on ALL Tactical squads for the rest of the battle).
All planes in the attack pattern must be from same formation or attack wing.
Attack wing: 2-4 planes (all same).
Flyers can now be bought in units of 1-4 per slot, but they only count as attack wing if they are 2+. Attack wings may use Attack patterns. One flyer gets "Wing leader", wich is a free "Fighter ace" equivalent. Fighter ace, as we know it, is not in the book, instead, it's a campaign bonus. (There are 3 bonuses to randomize from on the wing leader table. The campaign fighter ace has 6, and you can earn all 6 by becoming a Top Gun (Kill 30 flyers during a campaign without dying)).
The flyer detachment consists 1-3 attack wings. All from same codex/faction. (Formations count as attack wings).
on attack wings.
2-4 razorwings is an attack wing.
2-4 voidravens is an attackwing.
1 razorwing + 1 voidraven is not an attack wing, and thus, can't benefit from attack patterns.
3 razorwings + 1 voidraven, the razorwings is an attack wing, the voidraven isn't.
However, there's a 2 Razor-2 voidraven formation, where they all count as the same attack wing, and thus benefit from attack patterns.
On appropriate targets: flying targets for fighters , ground targets for attack craft.
>>47017843
They're actually different enough from the new ones to practically be a different unit.
-Jetbikes, not beasts. Way faster.
-Only 1 wound and toughness 4, but reanimating natively without a formation bonus.
-No rending
-Native initiative 6
>>47017831
The Newcron lore doesn't fit with it.
The Newcrons abhor body alteration.
>>47017918
>Cryptek and Deathmark optics
>The fancy ass custom frames Overlords wear
>The entire concept of tolerating Destroyer cults
>>47017918
They made the -robot faction- hate custom body mods?
>>47017955
No converting models that aren't in the product catalo- Uh, I mean Codex, Timmy!
>>47017949
>>Cryptek and Deathmark optics
Considering that Necrons don't cause a fuse about it, then they were most likely Cyclopi during the time of flesh.
>>The fancy ass custom frames Overlords wear
That mirror the royal finery and dress they were in life.
>>The entire concept of tolerating Destroyer cults
Destroyers are cast out to the fringe worlds, out of sight and mind.
They are only tolerated for the destructive power they bring to the battlefield.
>>47017983
They wore in life*
>>47017955
They don't want to lose their "humanity" any more than they already have.
Destroyers and mad Crypteks like Szeras alter their forms but the rest of the Necrons frown on them.
>>47017983
>All snipers and scientists were cyclopses!
>Not an enhanced optic upgrade
K
>>47018017
Necrons barely tolerate Szeras messing with their warriors internal functions. What makes you think they would tolerate external modification that would distort the echo of the Necrontyr that the Necrons represent?
Even a mindless warrior would reject any mods on its body that make it less Necrontyr-ish.
>>47018046
It's scientists and snipers with upgraded eyes, dude. Hypothesising a fucking organic sniper and scientist subspecies with one large, central eye because "mug purity of form" makes you sound like Carnac.
>>47018102
So you are willing to discard lore for your "muh headcanon".
If you thin kit's an upgrade, then prove it.
>>47018125
>If you thin kit's an upgrade, then prove it.
All oldcrons had two eye sockets.
>>47018125
There is exactly no way your claim isn't the more extrordinary one, mate.
Making a change to a robot is trivial, having a mutant "scientists and snipers" caste is outright bizzare.
>>47018130
Newcrons are not Oldcrons.
You have no proof.
Posting fluff for, FYI purposes.
>>47018125
>So you are willing to discard lore
That's his speech pattern anon, he doesn't sound like Carnac; you're arguing with Carnac.
>>47018154
Oh.
Well, I wasted time on it... But as a consolation prize I automatically win by function of not being him.
>>47018143
>There is exactly no way your claim isn't the more extrordinary one, mate.
It's more fitting with the Necron lore since like I said even the mindless warrior would not tolerate any change to its body.
Necrons are not robots. They are androids built in the image of Necrontyr.
>>47018144
USE A NAME SO PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO RESPOND TO YOU, RETARD.
How many times do we need to fucking tell you?
>>47018166
You lost the argument by not providing any proof outside your headcanon.
I on the other hand >>47018170
>>47018144.
Furthermore, the Astral Knights saw holo-images Necrontyr board the World Engine. They were like the Necrons except they were fleshed with gray and tumorous flesh.
>>47018172
How about you actually respond to the debate at hand or are you going to concede?
>>47018180
>>47018187
>Trying to post last and therefore "win"
You're a three year old.
Anyone have the link to the latest white dwarf weekly magazines? I definitely remember seeing latest issues on the web.
>>47013929
Chapter Master, Elite Mod
>>47018187
There is no debate, just talking at a wall built from compacted stupidity mortared together with human failure.
>>47018170
Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, the writer didn't really think this all the way through and that the fluff is genuinely just inconsistent?
>>47018187
Nah you're right the tumour men had a few cyclopian dudes hanging around that were really good at sniping despite the lack of depth perception. Good job, another sick 40k fluff argument won!!
Hey boys, I used to use a mega from here I think for 40k novels, but I think it's dead now, and I can't find downloads for most novels anywhere.
What do you guys use?
>>47018180
And dropping this one as well.
Lets see if I can find more.
>>47018220
Epistolary.
>>47018223
Find me fluff proving that destroyers aren't pariahs in the human blank sense.
>>47018144
I'm not the other anon, but the next paragraph of that - and the rest of the page - talks about how the other necrons dislike the destroyers for their goal of annihilating all life. There isn't a single mention of disdain for their body mods; heck, whatshisface even compliments their efficiency.
>>47018230
Whilst we're at it, let's prove that Slaanesh taking a Solitaire's soul doesn't make them a psychic blank, which is why they creep everyone out.
Everyone unsettling is a blank unless proved otherwise! Anything else is headcanons!
>>47018236
>They are Necron in form only
Necrons confirmed for not having any problem with body mods.
>>47018204
No, I am asking you a question. Do you have anything proof or fluff to dispute my claim or not.
You running away and twisting my words is what's childish here. This would have all ended if you just admitted that you don't.
Here how things went.
>Me : Necrons don't like to modify
>That Guy : Derp what about this and that?
>Me : "Explain to him Necron lore"
>That Guy : Hurr Crypteks
>Me : Cosidering that Necrons frown on body mods, I believe they were Cyclopi in life
>That Guy : "Commence the shitposting"
>>47018216
>Logic
>40K
Dude, I don't know what to tell you.
>>47018230
What do you mean?
>>47018254
Nice sliding. Destroyers are Pariahs and that's why the Necrons don't treat them with respect. This is canon.
>>47018255
He means their upper half.
>>47018236
Except the part where they think they are TOO willing to embrace the machine. See >>47018223
>>47018257
The level of consistency in your delusions is interesting, you keep it up too long for it to be likely you're just a dedicated troll too.
What mental disorder do you have? I've met a lot of genuinely autistic spectrum people, but you don't quite fit that. They tend to respond to logic eventually.
>>47018270
>He means their upper half.
Nice headcanon
>>47018271
Lets recap.
>Even the lowest Necron warrior will not tolerate change on its body
>Cryptek peers of Szeras find his modification of Necron bodies distasteful
>Necron Overlords find the Destroyers embrace of the machine to be somewhat disturbing
I back up my stuff. Back up yours!
>>47018276
Did Necrontyr have biological grav platforms as their lower halves?
>>47018293
>Engage me on my level! Bow to my statements with token resistance! I post pictures of the words everyone has read and think that counts as anything other than vague patronisation! NO COME BACK I WIN IF YOU START MOCKING ME I AM CARNAC CARNAC IS ALWAYS RIGHT HEADCANON HEADCANON THE LORE SAVE ME BASED ARCHAON AAAAAAAA
If Necrons didn't have issues with modifying their bodies, then we wouldn't have gotten this.
Necron pilots. Robots pressing buttons,
>>47018303
Yeah, the necrontyr with one eye used to ride them around town in necron society. I mean, it only makes more sense that way.
>>47018310
I just posted the fluff that you or the other anon denied.
Do I think that Cryptek and Deathmark eyes are just post- biotransferance optic mods? No, I think they had them before the bioT, considering what we knew about Necrons taste for change.ANIIIIIIIME
>>47018311
Dude those were the disabled, wheelchair bound necrontyr in their previous lives. Don't be so rude.
>>47018270
>Except the part where they think they are TOO willing to embrace the machine.
The ultimate wish of the necrons is to return to their original forms. Destroyer lords have completely forsaken that and seek to destroy all life. Yes, too willing to embrace the machine in them. That leaves no mention about their thoughts on augmentation.
Szeras, on top of being the guy who performed the transformation into metal, is insane and constantly dissecting living creatures to make new augmentations. This is seen as distasteful, but it does not specify if it is his wild augmentations or his insane studies that they see as distasteful.
Notice, however, that there is no distaste for the augmented immortals in this story, even the ones augmented by Szeras. Yet there is a distaste for Szeras himself.
>>47018319
Joking aside, the Destroyers are post-BioT.
Necrontyr with biological anti-gravs are out of the question. Castes of one eyed Necrontyr? Possible.
>>47018337
>>47018270
Fuck, forgot my image. From the codex.
>>47018341
Maybe they had big butts full of helium they used to fly about. You can't prove they didn't.
>>47018348
That's a possibility for sure. Maybe the cancer they had made their bodies produce helium sacks along their legs.
>>47018337
>>47018343
You make good points.
However, as we know from the Destroyer page, even the lowest Necron under no circumstance would accept change to its body that would erode the echo of what it was once.
This means the augmentations to the immortals were internal and not external.
> There are no wolves on Fenris.
> All wolves are mutated people.
> All people are mutated people.
Doesn't this mean... they can breed?
>>47014191
That assumes the 'nids managed to finish their work. Imperial reinforcements might win the battle in orbit before anything gets slurped up by the big hive ships, but there's still a horde of bugs on the surface to be dealt with.
Partially nommed worlds would create interesting concentrations of organic resources which could be useful as future agri-worlds. Plus the idea of a fruit stall being declared heretical because the crops were fertilized with decaying xenos is fucking hilarious.
>two Inquisitors come to blows over it because one thinks puréed xeno is literally the Emperor's will.
>>47018373
YIFF YIFF YIFF
>>47018373Why do you think people call them the space yiffs?
>>47018355
Artist's impression of time of flesh Destroyer. Note the vestigial flappy propulsion legs, and organic cannon that shoots tumour juice.
>>47018371
Also I want to add that Crypteks regularly experiment on living things, especially the guys working in the Blood vats. In the "Devourer" novel, Crypteks gleeful went after the corpse of an Invader marine captain that Anrakyr killed and threw away.
So I don't think Szeras love for biology is what they found distasteful.
>>47018373
Yes.
The females are very aggressive and forceful.
>>47018426
Horrifying.
Read the Butcher's Nails short story recently. Holy fuck did ADB write the eldar as retards. Even by the normal standards of BL eldar fluff they were imbeciles:
>Objective: prevent Angron becoming daemon prince of khorne sometime in the future
>So first, attack during a confrontation between the WE and WB, preventing these two servants of chaos fighting each other and instead reinforcing their alliance
>Something about Angron's flagship being more vulnerable then, rather than after it's got shot up by the WB fleet. Okay.
>See what ursas claws can do, but still get caught by ursas claws again. (For added fun, the ursas claws never miss while all other ordinance struggles to hit the eldar ships. Also, Angron's ship is faster than the eldar capital ship so it could chase it down.)
>Eldar leader tells Lorgar EXACTLY what he needs to know in order to make Angron a DP.
If they'd done nothing, Angron and Lorgar fight and he doesn't ascend. If they hadn't told Lorgar their plan, Angron doesn't ascend because Lorgar doesn't have the idea. All the eldar's action directly work to remove barriers to Angron's ascension. I know ADB's popular around here, but this was awful writing.
>>47014526
As long as you don't make them out to be "the bestest evar!!!1!", make the world eaters orgin something that is hidden and not a huge defining feature and instead focus on chivalrous knights in space, and give them some flaws it wouldn't be too snowflake at all
>>47018460
He's a cancer patient, be nice.
>>47013929
Running a 1500 point Genestealer Cult list with allied Tyranid Stealers...
Against Harlequins
I think this is going to hurt
>>47018373
In the same way you can breed with a monkey or a cow.
As in you can try, but don't expect a child to come out of it
>>47018467
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it"
-Master Oogway
>>47018371
A speculation, not a conclusion.
It could just as easily mean that the near mindless necron warriors are difficult to augment because of their instinct to return to their original forms.
Most importantly, it means that the matter lack consistency, as another anon said. The intelligent necrons don't loath the destroyers for their augmentations, only their philosophies. The intelligent necrons even enjoy beneficial augmentations on their own troops, enjoy the killing efficiency of destroyers, and are outright spoken to calling destroyers necrons in form only. Sure, they want to return to flesh, but they don't hate upgrades. Except this one time when any change is bad. That's inconsistency.
I would take a middle ground and say the general idea is that necrons want to return to flesh and dislike deviating further from it (destroyer page), but they aren't totally opposed to the tactical advantage of upgrades (destroy page quote, the story).
>>47018440
Speaking of inconsistent... is that dead subjects, you say? In the earlier story, Szeras furiously calls the commander useless after the overlord kills him, and they argue.
>>47014267
IIrc blueberries are recruited only from noble families too.
>>47018514
Pretty sure there are some species of apes out there that can produce offspring with humans.
>>47018531
You want to try, anon?
>>47018514
Pretty sure that's what they meant by 'breed'.
Tiny little half-wolf yiffbabies.
>>47018537
I'd gladly artificially inseminate apes for science, but ethical standards boards tend to get weird when you suggest making genetic abominations for research purposes.
>>47018522
And to further expand on the middle ground, while intelligent necrons can appreciate the efficiency of the destroyers' augmentations, they find Szeras' practice of augmenting everything for the hell of it to be distasteful. Deviations for no gain.
>>47018426
He seems friendly.
>>47018566
He's like a friendly mix between One Punch Man and the Right Hand Ejaculator.
>>47018540
And that's what I answered to.
They may be of human ancestrything that I include among the most retard addition in the HH seriesbut after 20'000 years of initial genetic modification plus whatever natural evolution they have gained on Fenris they can't be considered humans in any kind of way, thus they can't interbreed.
We have in common with mice 90% of our DNA, but that doesn't make them human, and I'm sure that to after becoming so wolfy the Fenrisian Wolves aren't much more similar to us humans then mice
>>47018522
>but they aren't totally opposed to the tactical advantage of upgrades (destroy page quote, the story).
They are resistant to it. Jump to the Tomb Blades page. First paragraph.
>is that dead subjects, you say
Yep, dead. Anrakyr punched his warscythe in his chest and threw him away.
The Bloodvats Crypteks take everything for their experiments, IIRC. Dead or alive.
>>47018556
Also just think about all the animal-rights feminist that would say that you raped that monkey
>>47018593
Valid point. What if I took male monkey sperm and artificially inseminated one of my co-workers?
>>47018604
They would probably say you are a filthy pimp
