Rule 63 edition
Discuss the viability of the Warcraft universe as a tabletop RPG setting, laugh at the finer points of lore and discuss why genderbent illidan and Arthas were totally tsundere for eachother. Have fun, don't go full autist, and keep your cool. This is not /v/
Old thread: >>46562332
That's a hot demon
>>46589278
so would you?
>>46589341
Does Maiev get to watch?
>>46589214
We need someone to draw High Cheerleader Saurfang.
>>46589371
yes.
>>46589403
Good. Let her watch while I cuck her. Let her watch as Illidan spills her demonic juice all over her face while she's chained to a corner
Reminder!
Bolvar is true lich king!
Bolvar is making the scourge great again!
Bolvar standing up to shitvanas and gets our boy back!Give us the fucking bodybag paladins.
>>46589214
What was the trick to switch your character's gender for transformations? It was something you used in conjunction
>>46589439
>rule 63
>she
At any rate, let's discuss another speculation:
>The Naaru intend to use burning legion in their fight against the Void
>>46589469
SCOURGE UNIVERSE POLICE AHOY
>>46589469
can't wait until we get to fight with Naz "TIP OF THE SCOURGE SPEAR, NO GREATER HONOR" grim again
>>46589510
>Defeat the legion
>Naaru upset because MUH LEGION ARMEEEH!!! MUH VOID LORDS!!1
>Bolvar revives everyone in azeroth and puts them on flying necropolis, then fucks off to voidlands just to spite the naaru
>>46589214
I mean, WoW came out as a TTRPG then as an mmo so it would be a setting
>>46589530
based.
>>46589528
he gets latrine duty on my necropolis
>>46589496
>she
>implying horny Illidan doesn't know a few spells about deviancy
>>46589543
Nazgrim did nothing wrong.
Also
>Latrine
>>46589547
>Illidan
>Not the 10000 years old virgin
>>46589557
space latrines
>>46589214
I would milk Illidana's titties of green felmilk
>>46589557
Nazgrim was a tool.
And like all tools he was discarded
sorry, I forgot
>porta-potty
better
>>46589596
>>46589582
>Undead
>Latrine
Do you have something to tell us anon?
>>46589608
>everyone must be undead
go away arthas
>>46589608
you ever seen an abomination lad? They definitely need a latrine
>>46589616
>Everyone shouldn't be undead at the NECROPOLIS.
STOP.
RIGHT.
FUCKING.
THERE.
>>46589819
m8
>>46589685
>Fucking Normies, get out my Necropolis
>REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>46589835
>FUCKING LIVING GET OUT OF MY NECROPOLIS
>[BLOOD HYSTERIA]
>>46589858
>not blood boil
>>46589885
Arthas you've gone too far. Why did you make Tremere?
>tfw replaying TFT
>tfw remembering what Sylvanas once was and what she is now
>>46589901
Fuck you ner'zhul tremere is true master race, go suck a dick you brujah anarchist fuck.
>>46589913
She used to be hot, now she's hawt.
>>46589913
eh, the weirdest thing about the forsaken as a playable race was that the average zombo became a person with free will. It made far more sense that Sylvanas and her banshees became the ones with free will, while the average ghoul was still the average ghoul.
>>46589946
Says the Toreador faggot who keeps fucking that skull he keeps in the corner while screaming "JAINA"
>>46589977
what?
>>46589986
shh...arthas is having a schizophrenic episode again. the helm tends to do that
>>46589977
>>46589946
>>46589901
Lol you guys are fucking nerds, I'm getting one of the ebonbros to give you an atomic double wedgie so you shut up.
>>46590025
>ebonycocks
>doing anything
>You'll never raise Garrosh as a DK and bully Thrall together.
>>46590057
>the new Four Horsemen are Nazgrim, Garrosh, Rend and Warlord Zaela
my dick would explode desu
Who is the most unappreciated class in the game? My money is on shamans, since they're officially the least played class in the game.
>>46589819
>The plot of TFT is Illidan trying to not get raped by Maiev
>>46590098
If I had to hear Zaela's voice again, I'd stab my own eardrums.
The biggest desecration they did to female orc PCs was giving them a voice that sounded like Zaela's hoarse, shrieking cackles.
>>46590057
>Steal tirion's body bag
>Bully thrall with undead garrosh
>Steal jaina's panties (this one is for arthas)
>Change monk's alcohol for plague
>Flush all of dalaran's toilets at the same time
>Steal val'kyrs from vallhalla
>Kill steal demon hunters
>Steal warlock souls
>Kill hunter pets and rise them zombies
>Flushing all of dalaran's toilets AND not paying the bill.
>Tell the light priests the shadow priests are worshiping voidlords
Scourge: The australia of warcraft.
>>46590114
I guess Illidan really did do nothing wrong
or does "don't get raped by a woman" count as misogyny now?
>>46590210
It's Illidan's fault for dressing like such a slut and walking around shirtless. Only yourself to blame if you enter a lioness den slathered in BBQ sauce and get eaten.
>>46590159
>Flushing all of dalaran's toilets AND not paying the bill.
You have gone too far this time. Hope you like Stonard and what's left of Theramore.
t. Kirin Tor bursar
>>46590262
good luck I'm behind 7 anti-magic shells
>>46589819
Well at least we now know the real reason Maiev goes nuts after Tyrande let him loose
>You can call me Tyrande if you want
Poor Illidan
>>46589954
they should specify that the forsaken were the ones who died of the plague and whose brains did not rot away excessively during their unlife as zombies. the average zombie would still be feral even if it somehow got away from the lich king. The forsaken might also think of the culling of stratholme as an atrocity since the people there would presumably have become forsaken.
Hey wanna hear a warcraft joke? Illidan.
>>46591127
they would directly empower the legion not become special snowflakes.
>>46589573
>10000 years old virgin
>not the most powerfull being in the universe
Either he got maieved or he truly is a joke.
>>46591219
now that is very rude>tfw always wanted a redeemed Arthastfw the sweet prince is free from this bullshit now.
>>46591127
>they should specify that the forsaken were the ones who died of the plague and whose brains did not rot away excessively during their unlife as zombies.
Except it's not a physiological thing, but a will power thing.
Forsaken are strong enough to resist the call of the Lich King even when he returned to power, it's not just some fluke.
The same reason why the ebon blade should not be the one to challenge them, you can't bind them to your will when you raise them (at least the older forsaken).
>>46591287
There is a reason he was going to be the champ of the light.Then he got maeiv'd and lost all his will to do shit, cucked and will never give his cherry to tyrande
>>46591294
Its fucking dumb. The Wc3 forsaken were a tiny ass coven of banshees who got by when they possessed people to be their meatshields.
>>46591127
>>46591127
I like to think that a Forsaken's body is just a vessel for their souls, so it doesn't matter what condition it's in. I mean, if you reach that level of external decomposition your brain is likely just as bad off. Feral zombies are just husks.
What I'd like to know is why playable undead and zombies are two distinctly different creatures. They're both undead humans that haven't made the full transformation into ghouls, after all.
>>46591375
>The Wc3 forsaken were a tiny ass coven of banshees who got by when they possessed people to be their meatshields.
This, just a few banshees(WHO BTW ARE FEMALE ELF GOSTHS THAT GOT RECRUITED FUCK THE RETCON OR WHATEVER), some of them possed archer becoming dark rangers, that control ogre and bandit leaders, even theyr ghouls and shit are all controled by silvanus, they got no free will.
forsaken is shit and wrong
>tfw no pics of sylvanus getting bullied
>>46591375
Nope, they were not all banshees. Lich king was just losing control and failed to reassert it over them afterwards.
>>46591949
the first mission specifically has sylvanas on the verge of being wiped out because it was her, a few of her sister banshees and ghouls against the forces of Varimathras.
>>46591898
I got you senpai
>>46591898
I'm pretty sure they had free will. That was their entire point and theme, what with Will of the Forsaken and everything.
>>46592059
no, they invented that for wow. They were shown to be a ruthless group that mindcontrolled other people to be their meatshields. They were the Lahmian vampires of Warcraft
>>46592005
That doesn't mean that it's just banshees who are freed though. Sylvanas doesn't sound like she's talking just to other banshees but to a larger gathering.
It's pointless anyway, by now it's well established that forsaken are all sort of undead who each have their free will with some complimentary helping of trauma.
We shall creat yet another neckbeard term
>maeiv'd
Define this, /tg/.how would illidan feel about pic?
>>46592152
Additionally the quests in Zul'drak show that even within scourge the individual undead retain some vestigial personality even while being part of the overmi- I mean under lich king's control
>>46592168
thats in an alternate timeline where malfurion was the betrayer due to old godsIllidan got cucked again
>>46592152
She says
http://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Dark_Lady
She and her small coven of witches were free.
>>46592108
Yeah, but they themselves were free.
>>46592233
yes, a small group of banshees, dark rangers and Sylvanas herself.
Not Zombo bumfuckington who was a raised corpse.
>>46592227
>http://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Dark_Lady
Hmm... yeah, that indeed seems like just the banshees have any voice in the matters.
>>46592312
Having free will doesn't exclude you from following the ranger lady who can fight.
>>46592168
>that pic
Fearboner, or PTSD
>>46592359
Well they were probably her subordinates in life as well, and the only point of reference they had left after getting turned.
Anyway
>dat Garithos eating out of sylvanas's decaying pussy after she took out his demonic master
she didn't even need to possess him kek
>>46592470
Garry pretty much trusted her because she convinced him rather well
Then she showed her elfness.
>>46592227
>Illidan got cucked again
How ;_;
>>46592456give context
>>46592227
>>46592233
>>46592289
>>46592312
>>46592359
If you guys were paying attention in Cataclysm it's implied that post-WotLK all newly raised Forsaken are brainwashed, which causes many of the original Forsaken to defect from Undercity or join Neutral factions. Sylvanas also decides to capture and torture an Ebon Knight just because she can. Sylvanas is just a cunt who is going to WoW's hell when she finally dies permanently (Given she's been "there" already after committing suicide once)
Luckily Legion will finally answer what happened to Koltira and probably lead into a third New Horde civil war (The first two being the Battle for Undercity and Siege of Orgrimmar) since Faol and Calia have returned
>>46592550
see >>46589819 and my reply to it >>46591077
>>46592574
I just wish shitvanas died FOR GOOD.
>L-le redemption?
NO FUCK YOU. Execution.
>>46592549
>be garithos
>say those inhuman mongrels cannot be trusted and will destroy our kingdom
>trust one of them
>they betray me and destroy the kingdom
Of all the saddest words of tongue and pen
Garithos was right again
>>46592574
>Sylvanas also decides to capture and torture an Ebon Knight just because she can.
I can't believe people unironically defend that because he was "fraternizing with the enemy"
>Luckily Legion will finally answer what happened to Koltira and probably lead into a third New Horde civil war
wishful thinking desu
I wouldn't mind redemption arc for sylvanas but she'd have to work for it. As it is I'd be pleasantly surprised if her crimes were at least acknowledged. And if they're considering making her a warchief... yee lmao
>>46592585
I still don't get, wasn't malfurion who should be in jail?
Did someone elf'd him?
>>46592574
>post-WotLK
Is the important point here.
In Vanilla, the Forsaken were free, a newly created just broke free from the Lich King's control.
Nobody is disputing that Sylvannas is a toxic megacunt nowadays.
>Luckily Legion will finally answer what happened to Koltira and probably lead into a third New Horde civil war
I fucking wish that were true. Is there anything whatsoever pointing towards the Bitch Queen getting her shit wrecked like she deserves? I mean yeah, by all rights she SHOULD, but it knowing Kosak and Blizzard, she probably won't.
>>46592550
Illidan is guaranteed to be forever cucked
anyway I really hope he gets over tyrande.
>>46592715
She just big-dicks herself into warlord.
>saurfang is nuclear at the scourge because of his son, so no help from them
>>46592677
Nah, he was a hypocritical, incompetent petty cunt. His ever reaching position of high marshal was merely part of effort to show how hilariously fucked Alliance in Lordaeron is.
>>46592715
imprisoning Koltira was literally the only correct thing she did post-TFT
>>46592729
If we're talking about Reverse Azeroth, then Malfurion is the one who gets corrupted and Tyrande frees him - Illidan still doesn't get her
If we're talking about her in the costume - Maiev rape flashbacks
The only other AU i'll promote that King Arthas of Lordaeron marries Sylvanus
>>46592779
Anon, why wouldn't you trust a DK? We're your friends!
>>46592778
you gotta love random lore additions that shit all over older characters because hordebabbies are butthurt faggots.
>>46592779
Right, because Alliance is a bigger threat than scourge, demons or Deathwing.
And torturing and brainwashing a hero of northrend campaign is always a good idea.
Incidentally it's kinda awkward how they made low level quests fit into post-WotLK period historically, considering how players then work through content of two expansions that take place chronologically in the past.
>>46592870
Garithos was already a retard in TFT, so nothing of value was lost.
>>46592898
yeah sure whatever makes the blood elf players happy.
>f-for the horde
>for doomhammer
>lok'tar ogar
>>46592870
>you gotta love random lore additions that shit all over older characters because hordebabbies are butthurt faggots.
All of those traits are well established in the TFT campaign. Only morally bankrupt edgy fags idolize the guy.
>>46592945
No, they were not.
He was shown to be a hardliner who was somewhat prejudiced towards the elves.
He kept the resistance going after Kael left for the most part until he was mind controlled by a dreadlord who are the legion's MCing experts.
>>46592549
>>46592677
The man lived a virtuous life until he slipped and trusted an elf. Goodnight, sweet baron.
>>46592945
Stop deluding yourself. Garithos retook Dalaran and was bitch slapping the undead until Detheroc decided to mind control his army. He knew they had no chance against him.
>>46592574
>Sylvanas also decides to capture and torture an Ebon Knight just because she can.
He was associating with his Alliance couterpart in the Ebon Blade, striking something of a draw in the Plaguelands. Sylvanas decided that was worthy of sending Koltira to the gulag.
>>46592214
This was one of my main problems with the god awful WotLK ending. The idea that non-Lich King controlled scourge will instantly go on a killing rampage was nonesense. I met plenty of scourge and they were some of the nicest, friendlist npc's in the game.
>>46593250
When will alliance/horde shitters understand death knights are first ebon blade(now scourge) then whatever the fuck silly faction they used to belong?
>>46593303
Ner'zhul pls shut up.
>>46593303
Kel'Thuzad was a pretty chill dude. I hope he's okay.
>>46593082
>He was shown to be a hardliner who was somewhat prejudiced towards the elves.
That's very kind description of his character, but it's not accurate.
1. When he knew of two forces advancing on his position, he focused entirely on one and sent only token force at the other. Whether or not he was prepared for this force to be overrun and merely used it in hope of distracting the other one, or whether he left his flank genuinely unguarded is not known, but let's give him benefit of doubt and assume the former.
2. When the token force against all odds succeeded, instead of commending it for use of unorthodox tactics he condemned its commander AND all his subordinates to execution.
3. He allowed himself to be controlled by a literal demon.
4. After getting freed from demon's grasp, he did not hesitate for one moment to switch his allegiance. Admittedly in his position he couldn't do anything else, but he failed to pass muster he set for his subordinates.
Only delusional people here are people who think Garithos was good.
>>46593618
>3. He allowed himself to be controlled by a literal demon.
And so did a lot of lore characters. Mindcontrolling people is the skill of dreadlords
>2.
Yes, because instead of camping their island they took aid from the naga who had been attacking alliance forces prior.
>4.
Because it was the fastest way to retake lordaeron.
>g-g-garithoes is evill!!
>h-he shitted on my perfect elf husbando!!
>kael did nuffin wrongs!
>he and his fans are evil nazi with no morals!
>lol glad sylvanas killed him the racist asshole deserved it lol feel the bern!
>hur dur garithos is incompetent, that's why he was a great leader, you stupid anti-semmite elf haters
Shitpost or not i want you fags to stop.
>>46593618
>Kael, do not consort with the obviously evil snake people you previously stopped from doing black magic. That's an order. Now hold the line while I go fight the larger undead army. Shouldn't be hard, you're on an island and you elves like to brag about your magic.
>Aye, my lord.
>Kael consorts with the naga.
>ffs Kael
Mind, the man was flawed, but he wasn't an incompetent buffoon. I also don't think Detheroc asked him if he was okay to be mind controlled.
>>46593854
>>46593890
>you can beat the level by abusing flying units
>therefore in lore Kael'thas had options other than consorting with the naga
every time
>>46593854
>Then he betrays his bffe illidank
hahaha get fucked.
>>46593938
>Stay on the fucking island slinging spells, like an elf and using your aereal units and defending the line
vs
>take the easy way out and snektitits :D
>>46593971
why didn't Malfurion just stack up a bunch of mines and let Archimonde blow himself up?
retarded gave away immortality for nothing
>>46594008
because archimonde has divine armor u cuck.Also malfurion wanted to show off.
>>46593763
>And so did a lot of lore characters. Mindcontrolling people is the skill of dreadlords
And it's a commander's job to safeguard themselves against it. But that is not his worst failure and would be easily excusable in absence of other ones - his insistence on purity and distrust of the inhuman should make him more paranoid and less susceptible to demonic control, if anything.
>Yes, because instead of camping their island they took aid from the naga who had been attacking alliance forces prior.
Because it was the best way (and ONLY way if you actually go by the fluff and not by meta bullshit) to carry out the objective.
>Because it was the fastest way to retake lordaeron
>>46593971
You mean he should have not followed his orders to destroy the scourge army? Sounds like treason, son. Off to the gallows with you.
>>46594115
Cult of the damned use humans instead of inhuman to infiltrate as we see in WoTLK
actually the exact same thing happened to the Human commander in Valiance Keep.
There's no FLUFF on how the fight occured, so its pretty pointless to call on FLUFF here.
>>46594008
Because mines alone will do nothing to Archimonde.
All the rush Archimonde fights use it to clear the undead base, not kill Archimonde.
The fight is only winnable with mass ancients (not treants, Ancients) and Lorewise there's not that many Ancients standing to throw at Archimonde.
>>46594220
The fluff says that kael'thas and his entire army down to footsoldiers and workers gets imprisoned and sentenced to death on charges of consorting with naga.
I hope Warlocks get Kanrethad as a follower, and that he is deployed as a tactical nuke.
>>46594008
>>46594039
Russians once again proving that the Slavs are the masterrace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9opu7egcRQ
>tfw you'll never be slav
>>46594269
That's after the fight,
I am talking about how the fight went, which is what 46594115 was calling on about.
>>46594265
But dude, lmao, you can just plant as many ancients as you want, it literally just takes a wisp, some wood and some gold
>>46594319
yeah except its retconed later and apparently there's only a small amount of ancients running around.
So no that excuse doesn't work, try harder.
>>46594306
Well you can assume that Kael'thas did not actually consort the naga and garrithos had his men (and women) locked up on completely fabricated charges if that makes you feel better.
>>46594420
The cinematic shows he did, its the battle part that varies.
>>46594362
but muh gameplay mechanics
>>46593854
>boipootchie
>>46594445
Right of course. He fought off the scourge all alone and then he invited snake tits for some hot jacuzzi actions to celebrate.
Whatever, believe what you want, sylvanas fanboy.
>>46594446
its a retconed lore, i am not even talking mechanics
>>46594495
> don't hate Garithos
> Sylvanas fanboy
How does that logic even work again?
>>46594497
You know, I do wonder if you're genuinely so infatuated with garithos or if you shitpost for fun.
>>46594572
Oh so your counter argument is that I shitposts while you are not?
How predictable coming from the side that never gives anything.
The setting of ancient is changed from WC3 with some of them never shown in WoW, including the tree of life serie that's suppose to be NE's central structure.
And I am shitposting instead of you? really?
>>46594523
Well you clearly have a thing for prissy thugs. Sylvanass should be just in your type.
>>46592574
>it's implied that post-WotLK all newly raised Forsaken are brainwashed
No it isn't. Just look at the fucking starting zone. Of the Undead that are raised, there are three possible options. Either they're mindless, decide to return to death, or they stick around.
Of that last bunch who stuck around, they are split into another three groups. Those who just run off, those who become hostile to the Forsaken, and those who sign up out of convenience.
This final bunch undergoes further selection when the game goes a bit more indepth, such as when there are actual characters involved with some form of story. Some are naive or plain stupid, others apathetic, while the final bunch shoots Sylvanas in the back of the head.
None of this suggests any sort of brainwashing is going on. Sylvanas literally loses most of the newly raised Undead whenever it's shown in any detail.
>>46594698
its always sad watching people like you resort into petty insults when you can't make any counter points.
Literal cancers.
>>46594687
I guess you're genuinely asperger then. That would explain mental gymnastics you're willing to go through to present your favoured characters like literally flawless and go into a rage when anyone contradicts you.
All of the evidence is before you but you remain selectively blind. Further discussion is pointless.
>>46594270
Warlocks are confirmed to get the Eredar Twins from Sunwell Plateau as "followers," if you can call them that.
>>46594726
no, she asks the PC to kill them because they are totally mindless.
>>46594769
so again, going into personal insults instead of making counter arguments to what I said.
I have seen you a lot of times in the thread and you are the biggest cancer there can be.
>>46594803
Your statement has no relevance to anything I wrote. Were you trying to say something else?
>>46594497
I think the point he was making is this. Saying Kael didn't need to work with the naga becuase the level can be beaten without them is as silly as saying Malfurian didn't need to wisprush Archimonde becuase the level can be beaten other ways.
>>46594842
She actively asks the PC to kill the other undead who were banding together on the excuse that they were going to attack undercity.
Then there is the matter of raising all the people from hillsbrad or tirisfal or the westfall militia
>>46594859
It can be beaten in another way that the lore says is impossible to accomplish
(not that many ancients to throw at Archimonde)
While nothing was ever addressed about Kael's fight.
Blame it on Blizzard's unwillingness to address the legitmancy of every fight in WC3.
>>46594481
Shit i don't have the webm with sound, where he says it.
>>46594942
in the mission breifings the main character says both can't be beaten in an alternate way
they can both be beaten in an alternate way, therefore asserting that Kael'thas didn't need to team up with the naga is silly
>>46594811
It's called cognitive dissonance m8.
You'd be capable of dealing with it better if you opened yourself up to possibility that you could be wrong.
Think for a moment, you never even addressed the fact that even innocent workers were to be put to the sword, you grasp at straws to justify passing the sentence in first place and you never even acknowledged the hypocrisy of failing to live to one's own standard.
But anyway, this is like talking to a wall. Go ahead and spout more memes and insults like you started to in >>46593854 and then proceed to call me cancer. At least it will help you relieve the frustration, hopefully.
>>46594874
The Rotbrains? No one claims they're mindless, and I'm pretty sure they really were meant to be hostile in the lore. Also, Sylvanas isn't the one who asks you to kill them.
I don't care about arguing lazy quest or game design. I'm talking about when things are actually shown in detail and not brushed over.
>>46594859
Of course. The point stands that he could have plausibly held the line without the naga and waited for Gari to come back. He would be berated for not being able to wipe the undead out like he was ordered, but not locked up for treason and mutiny.
>>46595012
in an alternative way which BZ ate the book later and made it impossible.
So it became impossible in lore.
Kael didn't got the same treement.
>>46595029
>innocent
they were guilty by association.
Yes garithos was a tard for executing them, he should rather have demoted kael or broken the blood elf forces up. But they were not innocent.
>>46595047
Sylvanas has people being raised in lore under extremely sketchy circumstances and they suddenly turn against the living, their friends and family they were fighting for.
Either Sylvanas has one hell of a redpill, or she is mind controlling them.
>>46595079
I sincerely doubt that in real world militaries responsibility goes downwards in this manner. Even roman decimation was pansy measure in comparison.
>>46595029
So what you have is still just more personal insults, which is exactly what expect from a cancer like you at this point really.
How is the worker innocent when they worked with Nagas too?
own standard of what? actually i believe You never answered that post I made.
oh and I am not >>46593854, i came in at >>46594220.
You were talking to different person and you never realized it. the ignorance and self-righteousness of you is hilarious.
>>46595029
>implying elfs are not all the same
>implying kael wouldn't plot against gari if he was demoted
>implying there wasn't a risk those elfs would free his leader
>implying those elfs wouldn't associate with naga seeing how their leader did
cuck
>>46593938
>abusing
>royal blood elf master mage prince hero can't hold his ground on a fucking island vs fucking ghouls zombie
>implying there aren't other startegies
>muh wrcrft lore
>wcraft
>lore
>>46595191
Guess how those soldiers who manned the Berlin wall during cold war were convicted.
>>46595191
yes, but this is a fantasy universe where the forces in question collaborated with snakepeople who were attacking the alliance and doing dark magic.
>>46592751
>Illidan is guaranteed to be forever cucked
bacause he's retarded?
>>46595316
See, he doesn't know when to let go. He follows tyrande around like a lost puppy and gets manipulated by her.
>>46595316
Mostly.
>>46592794
>King Arthas of Lordaeron marries Sylvanus
writefags get over here, nao.
i'm very curious about contex and consequences, before and after
reverse azeroth would be so much cooler
>>46595416
I can whip something up.
I mean I wrote a pretty nice prologue to Angron being adopted by the Eldar.
>>46595416
But then who chases Mal'Ganis?
>>46595547
>Angron
who
>>46595175
Becoming Undead typically warps the personality and I don't recall many notable characters that did as you claimed, unless it was something that was brushed over. Even Lilian Voss, who didn't join the Forsaken, decided to kill her family and everyone she knew. She also acts like some edgy crazed psychopath when you talk to her.
I'm not trying to defend Sylvanas here, but she has too high of a failure rate to be brainwashing most of her Forsaken.
>>46595580
Mal'ganis acts as the jailer to Kel'Thuzad who is forever cucked.
>>46595636
Her valkyr raise the entire westfall militia who were random farmers who wanted to till the land because lordaeron was being healed again.
They suddenly attack the alliance forces.
>>46595581
wrong board buddy.
>>46595416
>King Arthas of Lordaeron marries Sylvanus
I read a German fanfiction back in I believe the BC days with exactly this theme.
It was... Odd.You could tell that the Author really hated Jaina back then and tried to make her as unlikeable as possible, a feat which is now accredited to Kossak.
>>46595734
Yes, and that quest also has a ton of Val'kyr she pulled out of her ass and no real named characters. Nothing is shown in detail, and if she could raise the dead without producing a bunch of extra mindless zombies than she'd have done it in the starting zone. Game mechanics aren't necessarily lore.
In short, I don't give a shit about any example unless it actually gives us a good look at the subject matter.
>>46595580
No one, as arthas just told him to fuck himself and married silvanus, them organized a spedition to northrend later to exterminate the undead king.
so instead, malganis took frostmourne and revived keltzad just to consume him and get stronger
>>46595734
>warhammer
wrong planet, autismo.
>>46595837
>Game mechanics aren't necessarily lore.
>implying it isn't better than blizzard's "lore"
>>46595870
go on, this sounds promising.
A few more ideas.
also
>hating warhammer.
>>46595837
in short, you will ignore the fluff pieces that's against your head canon until someone slap you in the face. got it.
>>46595837
no, it has Thassarian leading the alliance and Koltira leading the horde. And one of the greater valkyrs who are sylvanas' 1up
A couple of ideas for reverse Warcraft:
-The obvious Malfurion the corrupted demon hunter, druid Illidan, priestess Maiev and warden Tyrande.
-Gul'dan is the lich king, while Nerzul is the corpse in Sargeras' tomb. I don't think Doomhammer is powerful enough to be the alt-lich king.
-Antonidas leads the cult of the damned, Kel'Thuzad chills in Dalaran.
-Jaina chases Mal'ganis, Arthas leads his people west.
>>46596106
>-Gul'dan is the lich king,
>not Gul'dan making a pact with the Burning Hells instead of Burning Legion
>>46592227
There were ghouls that could represent the future forsaken.
>>46596337
inb4 garicucks get triggered over lore/gameplay disconnect again
If Kael just hangs out on the island and holds, Dalaran either gets completely fucked by Undead, or he gets thrown into jail for treason anyway because
>lol ordered u to destroy the bases!
>>46596337
yes, mindless ghouls
>>46596432
The undead were attacking kael. No one attacks a city while there is an army at their back.
>>46596025
Nonsense. I just prefer examples that show more detail to ones that are simplified.
I'm not doubting Sylvanas and her Val'kyr raised people there and led them to attack their former allies, but it wouldn't have been as simple as shown ingame.
>>46596082
Only the freshly raised dead are relevant to the discussion. Their commanders are not.
>>46592227
I always thought that that was just an abstract ingame representation to help players understand their objectives.
But I also understand that some lore is inevitably tied to what happens in the game, because otherwise it would be completely stupid to even try and tell a story in a game, so I understand that I could be wrong.
>>46596517
yes, the freshly raised farmer militia start attacking the alliance forces. It is that simple. It is what happened.
>>46596570
See, the player has access to small numbers of low tier units and banshees. Sylvanas sums up her forces by referring her banshees as sisters.
>>46595944
>no MUH LIGHT bs, orcs where all killed exept for the druid ones, they hid for long and after being discovered the alliance decided to ignore tham, they live in the forest and help people
>most gnolls follow their ways and are now pacific and friendly, the ones that aren't contacted demons and are now blood/fel gnolls
>archimonde killed by mines is cannon, out of fear the nightelfs attack goblims, other factions refuse to help goblins, war ensures in le magic forest,
>goblins win and slave nelfs, at a heavy cost, goblims weak af now but got harems of hot tall pruple amazons, this is not my fetshi at tall, i mean all!
>forrest corrupted not by demons, but by radioactive waste, forest not safe
>furbutts finally evolve/ get extint?
>keltuzad controls malganis through the sword and the 3 become the one-lich man, super scourge power up and upgrade, pic is the default skelly in the super scourge
>meanwhile the highborne, lead by evilfurion and his waifu, are bringing the minions of kiljaden to destroy the lichking and them the world
>medivh creats a super spider to destroy the scourge(not filiated with nerub in anyway, but a new faction). said spider recruits a demon's failed experiment: a shapeshifer spider, and a invisble spider spirit. spider slowly evolve to something far superior to nerub, and much cuter too
>arthas fucks silvanus anas evrry day, jaina gets obsesed and forgets about green and dragon dick, decides to get demon dick
>thral eventualy realizes niggers are fucking stupid, no lose all faith in them and spirits, no longer sucking dick or orc "heroes" and slaved by silly spirits he decides to research genetic to discover why is he special.
>garithoes eventually marries a elf and learns more magic, making him (and her) magic immune. he also got shitloads of promotions new title and becomes the alliances best general.
>goblins trying to become robots
>nerubians finally get extint
writefags take notes
>so much as tolerating warhammer.
>>46596786
eric simply eric
>>46596768
>It is what happened
And this can be argued as just game mechanics, or we may as well claim the world is the same size as it is ingame. I'm just saying the finer details are probably lost.
The basic premise of the quest is likely true. Recently raised individuals turned on the Alliance forces. Blizzard's statement on the matter is that the recently raised are pretty confused, especially if they died violently, so it's easy to direct them to just go kill some guys.
>>46596786 my autismcraft is another thing(also better) we gonna do.
this >>46596106 will be the reverse one.Obviously, jaina is the one who suggest the purgethat would be funny
>>46596497
And once he and his "army" is dead, the Undead can attack the city.
There is no gold mine on the island and you start of with 300 gold, two dragonhawk riders, an archer and a priest in the island.
If you mine efficiently until the bases are destroyed you get about 2400 to 2500 gold and that's fucking it. If you just stick around on the island and never get off there, you'll die eventually.
From the way it's presented it's pretty clear that his position is fucked up. Now keep in mind that he also has most of the remnants of his race with him, so even IF he could actually hold out by throwing the last survivers of his race under the bus, can you fault him for taking another way?
>>46597047
the actual correct way to play thisis retreat your entire force. then you can hold off indefinately by pre-strike the skybarges before they land on the island.
You can win the map without losing a single unit.
>>46597047
This is what i don't understand, isn't he the royal blood prince super mage marysue of a magical marysue race?
summon infernals or something
hell, do like the dalaran guy did in RoC, a huge purple field that does damage over time on undead.
not that he could just retreat or something
>lol you didn obey orders to dungeon with u XD
garry wouldn't do that, he's competent
>>46597192
Can you even retreat anything? You'd have to buy a ship to get the mages and priest over.
The barges are also mechanical, so you can't shackle them.
>>46596858
No it can not
> However, some undead, especially those who die in combat or under extreme stress and are raised soon after, enter into a violent, frenzied state.
> Undead in this state are "easily manipulated and their rage is often directed at the foes of those who raised them" .
So yes, Forsaken Mind control the newly raised Undeads to attack their allies.
End of story.
>>46597199
>he's competent
>>46597047
No, its because blizzard railroaded the story there. A better campaign would be having some bullshit mumbo jumbo magic artefact in the island that can blow up the undead attacking the city, but they can't reach it.
Que the naga entering and giving it to kael who uses it to destroy the undead. Right around this time garithos returns and sees kael do dark magic with the naga and has them executed.
Neither character is retarded in that way.
But no, blizzard had to insert their shit into everything. Hell they could have used a mechanic where shooting down the scourge sky barges netted you gold and you had to use it to stay alive until garithos returned.
>>46596891
>implying it wouldn't be like the "Glad I could make it, Arthas" pasta
>>46597241
yes, just put all your units at the corner of the main lands.
any surviving units will get teleported on to the island when the townhalls fall.
Its not realistic, so is the fact that you can't buy a boat before townhalls fall.
Doesn't need to, barge have 500 health and is light armor, goes down like a chimp to mass dragon hawk.
>>46597250
>he is incompetent.
>>46597199
Why didn't Garithos just bend over and shoot light out of his ass to destroy all the undead in Lordaeron?
Because neither of them can do that, you moron.
>summon infernals or something
He's not a demon summoner or warlock and even shys away from the thought at this point.
>hell, do like the dalaran guy
The Dalaran Guy was several Archmagi and an entire city of mages.
>garry wouldn't do that, he's competent
As shown where?
>>46596786
>dark souls undead vs highborne demons and jaina vs alliance full of half high elfs vs goblin landmines vs muffet>all while shitvanas dicked
/tg/ worthy.
>>46597249
Did you even read my post? I already mentioned that but, and what you quoted says nothing about mind control. It talks about an easily exploitable frenzied state.
>>46597386
Look at the second part, which I bothered quoting
"Their rage is directed at the foes of those who raised them"
The raise dead itself have the effect of mind-control.
>>46597346
>Why didn't Garithos just bend over and shoot light out of his ass to destroy all the undead in Lordaeron?
because he's more martial, he would shockwave
>Because neither of them can do that, you moron.
they could, loser
>The Dalaran Guy was several Archmagi and an entire city of mages.
it was also a much bigger area and they wheren't elfs master race
>As shown where?
everywhere. taking over the city, defending humanity, killing hordes of undeads in the front, rescuing dwarfs from a picnik, assblasting queer elfs, etc
>>46597294
The what?
![AdO56jC[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cbgll1B.png "AdO56jC[1].png")
>>46597518
>>46597531
>>46597518
>>46597294
>Not posting the New Hotness
Sargeras: Glad you could make it, Aman'thul.
Aman'thul: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the enforcer, but I'm still your superior as a titan.
Sargeras: As if I could forget. Listen, Aman'thul, there's something about the worlds you should know.
Sargeras: Oh no. It's too late. These worlds have all been corrupted. They may look fine now, but it's a matter of time before they turn into tentacles.
Aman'thul: What?
Sargeras: This entire universe must be purged.
Aman'thul: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
Sargeras: Damn it, Aman'thul. As your future champion I order you to purge this world.
Aman'thul: You are not my better yet, boy. Nor would I obey that command if you were!
Sargeras: Then I must consider this an act of work ignorance.
Aman'thul: Ignorance? Have you lost your mind, Sargeras?
Sargeras: Have I? Lord Aman'thul, by my right of badassery and raw power of my sword, I hereby relieve you from your command and suspend your titans from service.
Aggramar: Sargeras, you can't just...
Sargeras: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this universe, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight.
Aman'thul: You've just crossed a terrible pantheon, Sargeras
Sargeras: Aggramar?
Aggramar: I'm sorry, Sargeras. I can't watch you do this.
>>46597531
>Glad I could make it, Arthas
tah'ts the bake one, tought you where talking about the reversal one
>>46597431
Which is a statement that can be interpreted in multiple ways. It doesn't say why their rage is often directed at the foes of the ones who raised them. The reason could very well be just that they're easily manipulated, and the ones who raised them usually direct them to attack their own enemies.
>>46597687
so at the end of the day this happens
>raise some farmers
>they turn feral
>force them to attack their friends
>once the battle is over give them a choice between serving the dark lady, or being stuck in permanent hell because they killed their allies.
Are you guys saving this? it will be a pain to lookin the archives for the ideas.
>>46597736
No one is saving your autism
>>46597687
It said it happenes when people get raised.
So the raise people have this known side effect aka mind control.
The line is pretty clear written as they are NOT just being manipulated.
But we all know you will keep making up excuses to protect your favored race's good name no matter what the lore says anyway, why even pretend you care?
>>46597518
>>46597608
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2228228742
>>46597778
I don';t get why people try to protect the good name of post-Kosak undead.
I just mourn the older ones.
>>46597762
I'm not him and i was refering to >>46596106, stupid bully.
>>46597736
A lot of your ideas are too memey.
Here is something better
>high elf king wants to re enter the alliance because the orcs have bix nooded and the trolls are stirring again.
>sends Sylvanas with the priests because she is a high ranking elf who is not that important.
>stuff happens.
>because sylvanas is as hard headed as arthas, she is able to stop him from going full DK
>they grow closer and get married.
>>46597839
some people play horde and still wants to be the good guys.
Which they are not after cata.
>>46597722
That sounds about right. I was never defending Sylvanas here or anything.
>>46597778
>The line is pretty clear written as they are NOT just being manipulated.
But it's not clear. It said they're "easily manipulated and their rage is often directed". It doesn't make it clear whether "their rage often being directed" us just a byproduct of them being raised or just them being "easily manipulated".
>>46597905
> they are manipulated in to attacking their allies, therefore mind control
> therefore forsaken spit on their own principle
> therefore forsaken are evil bastards and should all die.
>>46597839
I'm not protecting any sort of good name. I'm arguing over technicalities and the precise nature of crimes.
The quest used to be mind control in the beta, but that was deliberately changed because the Forsaken are against stripping the Undead of their free will. The deliberate change means that an active stance was taken against it being mind control.
>>46597900
Their individual characters can stay good, but you often have to dick around between a dozen different questing zones.
It sucks playing post cata Horde. I basically quit Horde by MoP other than a handful of alts.
I think I stayed on my troll long enough to join the rebellion before joining my friend in the faction swap. (i confess to participating in the KRasarang Faction war because it was actually sorta fun gameplay wise and mandatory for that sweet sweet grand Wyvern (Blue Grand Wyvern when Blizzard!? Actually even better a full non-wyvern full manticore windrider would be even better because the ground animations and wing fold model wouldn't FUCKING SUCK.)
>>46597889
>your ideas
I haven't posted any.
>because sylvanas is as hard headed as arthas
Man they would make such a lovely couple, 2 annoying smug dorks, 2 stupid obnoxious brutes, can you imagine theyr interactions?
do you guys have any fanart?
>>46597972
> arguing over technicalities and the precise nature of crimes.
Aka trying to get people off the hook
Aka protecting their good name.
The Deliberate change means Kosak wants to protect his waifu from looking bad but forgot to change how the quest went.
>>46597956
> they are manipulated in to attacking their allies, therefore mind control
Ah, but technically it's not and that technicality is good enough for a large portion of the Forsaken.
As a whole, their society is blatantly and indefensibly evil. That's not to say there aren't a large amount of decent, or at least innocent, Forsaken. Just that their leadership is obviously evil, as well as their actions as a nation.
>>46598021
I can only draw with words.
I thought you were the guy with obvious bullshit.
so how do you like my idea?
>>46598030
Believe what you will, but it's clear the current form of the quest isn't meant to be mind control. It doesn't matter if it's waifu protection.
>>46597997
You can't be a good guy if you are running around supporting Garrosh's genocide rampage.
Which you will if you took some of the Horde quests
Like Siege of Theramore or grind reputation with Dominance Offensive.
>>46598144
no, but it was initially supposed to be that and they changed the fluff about it so that it didn't appear so blatant. All it does is give the forsaken fans a fig leaf.
>>46598144
in >>46598046 that's exactly what you are doing" trying to get them off the hook with your "technicality"
Just admit you are a forsaken fanboy and trying to get them off the hook and we can all stop wasting our time.
>>46598183
I'm just saying they should be blamed for the crimes they actually committed. In the released version, it's not supposed to be mind control.
What exactly does this "let them off the hook" for? Their actions in the quest are still blatantly evil.
>>46598060
>I thought you were the guy with obvious bullshit.
the ones defending shitvanas and kael?
>so how do you like my idea?
qt desu
>>46598276
no, I meant the guy saying the lk dreadlord and KT fuse
also, is it really good?
>>46598264
What do you think "manipulate newly raised" involves?
Reminder they are not dogs or intelligent beings.
Because you don't want to admit forsaken is spiting on the point of their own existence for power, which is precisely what they have being doing.
>>46598372
>What do you think "manipulate newly raised" involves?
Taking advantage of their easily manipulated and confused state, and pointing them in the right direction before they come to their senses and realize what's going on.
>>46598372
Or at least the Val'kyr are.
They could give Sylvanus the Crown of Will that Mug'Thol found in Alterac and basically free her and chain reaction free the rest if they wanted.
>>46597839
Tranquilien guys seem to be alright.
>>46598525
Those are pre-cata forsaken.
>>46598339
>lk dreadlord and KT fuse
why is it bad? call me edgy but it looks awesome to me.
They need to be strong to counter the AutismAlliance
>is it really good?
B-baka! i was only requesting pics to make fun of you! its not that i loved the idea or anything...i imagine shitvanas being tsundere with arthasand him too with her and them uther talks about his experiences with elfs
>>46597900
The Tauren are, as they have always been, the one good Horde race.
Barring the Grimtotem, who have been exiled and executed for being assholes.
>>46598525
That's the thing. Plenty of the Forsaken are alright, though they have a disproportionate number of assholes. However, the current regime is unmistakably evil.
>>46598574
Darnell doesn't seem too bad and neither does the guy selling stagwiches. The Forsaken are clearly not universally despicable, even post-cata. However, Sylvanas very much is.
>>46598587
come next thread I am gonna start writefagging.
>>46598624
>The Tauren are, as they have always been, the one good Horde race.
Trolls, too - the Darkspears are the only non-asshole trolls on Azeroth.
>>46598453
> Reminder they are not dogs or intelligent beings.
its like you don't read.
Oh wait you don't.
>>46598624
If you are running quests after Cata, you are not a good guy as you are actively helping Garrosh commit his genocide rampage.
>>46598686
>writefagging
>not making a custom campaign
/tg/'s archwizards should try and make Reverse Azeroth and Autismcraft campaigns.with lots of fan service
>>46598735
Well, it's not like you can write. You just said they aren't intelligent beings.
In this case, being dogs or intelligent doesn't matter. They're confused and easily manipulated, so whatever else they are is irrelevant.
>>46598779
not too good with RPGs, but I can spin a yarn
>>46598697
What about the Revantusk?
>>46598823
manipulate with what? mind control is a method of Manipulation.
You just won't face the fact its the only thing that works on crazed non-intellegent being.
Like I said, just admit you are fanboy and we can stop wasting our time.
>>46598908
It would have been way cooler if the Revantusk were the playable horde race on the EK and the forsaken be a neutral faction opposed to the scarlet crusade which was also more neutral.
The horde could get goblins instead and keep the wc3 style.
>>46598929
>manipulate with what?
Words and gestures, like people do to manipulate people in real life.
>>46598823
>confused
>casts complex magical spells
>>46599047
all hail the liberator who liberated these humans from the yoke of the alliance.
>>46599047
WoW is a fucking mess. There's a reason I said I preferred more detailed examples to ones someone just shat out as part of a quest.
>>46598847
If you talking about Reversal, don't, let us get the lore done them we make a campaign for each faction.
if autism, plz make the MC very dark and personnel and a summoner with permanent zombies and no food limit and upkeep and make sure he punches killjaden in the face and kill him in one hit
>>46599128
I just want to write a story where arthas and sylvie fall for each other.
>>46598980
and how would word and gesture works on crazed beings again?
Like I said, all you are doing is try to get them off the hoo.
>>46599189
They aren't mindless, just easily manipulated. It works on them like it works on anyone, except moreso because they're easily manipulated.
It's very easy to understand.
Have harpies always been cunts?
Apparently they used to be chill when Aviana was around before the War of the Ancients, but after she left they got progressively more evil.
Could we make non-hostile harpies as a result of nurture vs. nature?
>>46599231
>enter into a violent, frenzied state.
Now I even know you are being optionally blind just so you can protect your favored pet race!
How surprising! (hint: not really)
>>46599240
>Could we make non-hostile harpies as a result of nurture vs. nature?
they can nurture this until they're non-hostile
*unzips dick*
>>46599240
By putting in their place.
>>46599240
Some of them are still psychotic even years after Aviana came back.
