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Old Thread: >>46405436
Bringing the Medic over to the new thread:
Hello, pfg.
If you all still remember DSP's April Augmented release, there was this little archetype called the Ambu-lancer for a class that didn't exist. Don't worry though, I got your backs. Presenting the Medic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fkVJcjXIEZiZj_vpumo_8qy0TZfQl2hZ-tKV4rLnxLM/edit?usp=sharing
>>46413473
Hey Elric, is the April Augmented only on drivetrough? Can't find it on Paizo store or Open gaming store.
>>46413571
Yeah. But it's free/pay what you want.
>>46413571
Yeah, it's only on Drivethrough.
>>46413585
>>46413602
>mandatory Drivethrough account
R E E E E E E E E E E E E
>>46413447
What's a creator?
>>46413631
Seriously though, I appreciate you guys putting this up, it's pretty neat.
Fuck Paladins, necromancers rule
>want to use DSP's stuff, maybe even figure out if I like SoP
>bad at convincing people of things, can't get my group to actually look into using it
>terrified of new people, can't find a second group that's already using it /and/ is willing to hold my hands as I figure shit out
>trying to look at it by myself just has me overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff that looks like it's actually fun
Maybe this hobby isn't for me.
>>46414193
Based.
>>46414227
Skeletons4unlife
I claims this thread in the name of undeath, post skeletons.
>>46414339
>>46414245
Paladin Shitters need to gtfo
skelebros WW@
Can we discuss half-oozes from previous thread too?
Is there a better racial name than half-ooze? What should their racial alignment tend to (IMO neutrality)?
I think if running them as a sorcerer they should take abberant bloodline.
>>46414193
>>46414227
>>46414245
>>46414339
>>46414370
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>46414216
Try finding a group online. It's much harder to drop your spaghetti when you're not face-to-face with folks. There are TONS of groups online that will at least give 3pp a shake.
>>46414376
Ooze-born, child of slime?
>>46414402
>paladin detected
>If you have a bunch of 10s and a pair of high scores... don't expect me to pick you... just sayin. Sure, minmax a little, but I want characters... not specialists.
Now I may just be a booty bothered Billy goat, but is this DM trying to say he wants us to intentionally create bad characters? Would he reject an 18 12 16 10 14 10?
>>46414448
Honestly sounds like he just doesn't like optimization, I'd leave
>>46414448
DMs an ass, drop out
>>46414370
>>46414440
Heard you were talking heresy.
How do you determine carrying capacity for things with no legs? Same as biped?
Why is there no good necromancer archetype for antipaladins?
Knight of the Sepulcher makes YOU undead (way too late to benefit...), but gives you nothing in the way of keeping undead minions.
Seal-Breaker buffs undead around you, but the only things you get to command are a shitty undead horse and a short-duration mohrg summon.
Why can't there just be an equivalent of the Gravewalker witch? Aura of Desecration would be an easy replacement for any other aura, and Bonethrall/Possess would solve the control problem without resorting to your shitty casting.
>>46414402
Unfortunately even online, my spaghetti gets dropped. New people online also feel even worse, because it's harder to guess what they're thinking from tone and nonverbal cues. The group I'm in is mostly people I've known for a while, and even though it's a purely IRC group I still feel a little spaghetti getting dropped occasionally when I talk to the new guy.I also swear to god I'm invisible whenever I go places, online or otherwise. Unless I make a pun so bad people have to pay attention, I tend to get overlooked.
>>46414448
Online or offline?
>>46414216
>>46414557
DM it. That's how I convinced somebody to try it out. He ended up liking it.
>>46414467
>>46414466
Wow aren't you just a pair of negative nannies, the anon is clearly faced with a DM that is wise enough to recognize the sheer horror that can result if you make a character that's one absurd 20-at-level-1 with a whole bunch of 8s and 9s to feed your power trip.
>>46414574
What?
>>46414574
Shove your 12 Str Wizard up your ass
What are good traits to boost Diplomacy? I already have it as a class skill, but I'd like to make it stronger without having to invest too heavily. My character is Wisdom-based, so the stuff that makes them Int skills aren't really going to be too helpful.
>>46414557
I agree with >>46414571. Best way to get people interested is to show them how it works.
>>46414574
A level 1 Wizard with 8-9 Dex and Con is going to die to literally a stiff wind. There's nothing optimized about it.
>>46414571
>mfw I've never DMed before
>mfw I really want to learn how to try out my new setting with PoW
>mfw I just don't know where to start learning
Guide my hips, senpai! How do I learn to DM?
>>46414557
Join #pfg on Rizon and see what shakes out. Folks are friendly and 3pp fans as a rule
>>46414596
I'm referring to people that come to the table with extremely min-maxed monstrosities clearly designed for a mindless dungeon crawl, darling.
>>46414610
>image
Where did this filth come from?Please tell me
>>46414610
Step one is not acting like a cringeworthy faggot so people will want to do anything with you. You've already failed. Go home.
>>46414574
The DM said nothing about a bunch of 8s and 9s, in fact literally the opposite. Did you read the post?I mean sure they're overreacting with no other info, but you've still gotta use valid criticisms
>>46414610
Honestly, I grabbed an AP, set up some house rules, and started bullshitting my way through it. My friends had fun, I learned a lot, and good times were had.
>>46414626
>implying implications
>>46414646
Centaur's Worries. It's not about lewds.
>>46414626
>having 10s makes you a min-maxed monstrosity
>>46414649
Anon-kun, did you honestly forget we're on 4chan? I can be a baka all I want here, and log off to be a proper adult doing adult things with my very mature friends.
Oh wait, I don't even need to log off! We're all anonymous here you silly goose.
>>46414682
ADULT WORLD
With that out of the way, sure, so long as you're actually capable of knowing when to be a proper adult and when not to be. I've played with too many people who acted like that all the time.
>>46414682
[cringing intensifies]
>>46414571
>>46414607
>DM it for them and maybe they'll like it
>mfw remembering the last time I tried DMing anything
>mfw I have never ever tried DMing anything pathfinder
Well, my first two tries being the DM/GM to a game had 90% of my time spent in blind panic throwing shit together and somehow people claimed it was fun, so maybe doing a short thing for my GM and anyone remotely interested could be fun. Won't know until I try.
>>46414619Been lurking there, actually. So jaded from my last trip into a new irc channel that I can't make myself actually say anything.
>>46414708
>>46414711If I was actually that socially stunted I'd also be posting on /r9k/, F-List and /soc/. I like to get a little stupid with you guys because hey, what's the point if we're not having fun? I'm sure you guys goof off with your friends around the table just as much, it's the same mindset here.
>>46414402
>filthy paladin shitter
pls go and stay go
>>46414748
Pick an AP, or better yet, some of the modules. The Crypt of the Everflame trilogy is pretty solid; dungeon crawl, then an urban investigation but, then another dungeon crawl.
The Crown of the Kobold King series is also well-received.
>>46414801
The thing about DMing is that I don't know if I have the right kind of schedule to actually put time aside to do it for extended periods. For a few sessions? No problem, can pull that off easily. An entire campaign? I dunno man.
To what degree would it solve the Swashie's issues if Charmed Life was a free action (it's luck, not effort) and there was a version of the duelist gloves just for them? Irrepressible is a trait that gives them their charisma bonus instead of wisdom vs charms and compulsions, and at higher level they can take twist away to help their fortitude saves when they are out of Charmed Life.
>>46414924
This just makes them mildly less terrible. It doesn't fix the class.
>>46414863
Nobody said you had to DM a whole campaign. Ask if your friends would be down to play a couple sessions, just to get a feel for it. Then, you give them the options to play with 3pp stuff, and make sure to have enemies that use counters and the occassional strike or boost.
>>46414924
Still SUPER action economy cockblocked and built entirely around the weakest combat style in the game. But it would be slightly better.
>>46414924
Well, you can't take free actions outside of your turn, so...
>>46413473
Just noticed that the table of the Medic's abilities mentioned Triage 5/Encounter twice. Once at 7th, and once at 10th.
>>46414990
If it specified you could, that wouldn't be a problem. There are already other abilities that make that exact specification.
>>46414748
Well say hello then. I am planning a game as we speak
What are some of the most unconventional reasons for adventuring you've ever seen in a campaign?
>>46415026
Thanks, fixed.
>>46414415
>>46414376
Jel(s)?
I kind of like Jel(s), as it shouldn't lead to assumptions like half-ooze or child of slime. It's short and simple, while also giving a small allusion as to their nature and origin.
>>46415052
np
>>46415066
I actually really like that. It's a little vague, and doesn't outright say what they are, sounds like a legitimate fantasy race name, and gives a clue to something they are similar to. Good thinking, anon.
>>46414660
Its kind of about lewds, but not really. I mean the first chapter has the centaur, the imp and the satyr all examining each others vags.
Satyr w/ brother complex is cute.
Best chapters are the ones about the little kids though. (Like the little centaur threatening to kick the bully for pulling on someone's tail).
>>46414990
Hmm, I was sure you could. Okay, then with the qualifier that they can be taken outside your turn, possibly with the qualifier that you need to do that before you roll (or after you roll but before the result is announced).
>>46414959
>Still SUPER action economy cockblocked and built entirely around the weakest combat style in the game. But it would be slightly better.
My view is that usually, you do not need to take all the swift action options in the same turn. If Charmed life does not take an action, that leaves dodging panache, the riposte from Opportune parry, menacing display, the enhanced version of precise strike and dizzying defense. I can see dodging panache preventing you from using some of your options for the next turn as a sort of tradeoff. Which of the other actions would you change to improve it without a major change to the chassis.
Mind you, it would be nice to get some more support for their combat style.
>>46415046
A Mystic Theurge of Velsharoon was waiting for his adventurer comrades to die so he could animate them as really powerful undead.
>>46414924
Swashbuckler needs a LOT of help. I've counted before that there are no fewer than 7 class features that compete for your swift (or immediate) action. Precise Strike deed helps with the lack of damage with one-handed weapons, but as it's precision damage you'll still find yourself shafted once in a while. (Also because it's precision damage it's not multiplied on a critical hit.)
If you really wanted to fix the class, you'd have to give better saves, remove the dependency on swift/immediate actions, ditch the meme feature, remove "precision" from Precise Strike, grant earlier and better critical buffs, and make Deeds a stronger list you choose from every so often instead of a spoon-fed list with only 2-3 actually useful options.
And that's to start.
>>46415133
I should have specified: It's not an H manga. There are some lewd bits, but it's mostly about fluffy monstergirls who deserve all the headpatsand also fucking crazy shit the author must have dreamt up while drunk out of his gourd.
>>46415140
>>46415169
Honestly, let the Swashbuckler die. Find a class that does its job better (like a Magus or a Warlord) and just go all-in with that.
People have been trying to fix the Fighter for what? Like fifteen years now? The Swashbuckler is the same level of stupid design decisions and general ineptness. Just let it rest and move on to options that DO work. Swashbuckler can be a profession, it sure as fuck doesn't need to be a class.
>>46415140
>
My view is that usually, you do not need to take all the swift action options in the same turn. If Charmed life does not take an action, that leaves dodging panache, the riposte from Opportune parry, menacing display, the enhanced version of precise strike and dizzying defense.
This is great in theory, until you get involved in a fight where something pounces or otherwise full-attacks you, or more than one creature targets you for anything. If two wizards Finger of Death you, you can only Charmed Life one of those saves.
The problem is that PF doesn't *have* another "out of turn" action type you can take that doesn't exhaust a resource you still need. If we were going to fix those Deeds they'd have to be *no* action to stay consistent with the clusterfuck of rules.
(I'd be okay with that.)
>>46415046
A desperate virgin weeb Wizard that is traveling with Ameiko n' gang to Tian Xia in the hopes of meeting a Kitsune.
A PC once joked that he should just take a trip to the Pixie's Kitten to fix his problem, but he apparently wants it to be "special, and far more fluffy."
>>46415213
>What is TAILFUL POLYMORPH
>>46415236
What IS Tailful Polymorph? Is it a homebrew spell or something?
>>46413631
>>46413764
Yeah, I don't want to make a drivethrough account either. Hopefully someone will add it to the Mega.
>>46415321
Someone misspelled/got autocorrected baleful polymorph 3 or so threads ago, it was immediately statted
>>46415401
Somebody should release it in a free Drivethrurpg pdf with other weeb things.
>>46415401
>>46415321
QANON wrote it as an April Fool's joke. It's actually kinda cute. The tl;dr is it permanently gives a willing target a fluffy tail that can be used to protect against cold temperatures up to -45 degrees, and an additional feature than can give a minor +1 bonus to A Thing depending on feature chosen (like animal ears for Perception, or a single little fang for...I forget). It can also be recast to dismiss said tail.
>>46415504
Cute Little Fang should give a +1 bonus to diplomacy because they're cute,CUTE.
Did bolt ace get errata'd? Swore sharp shoot was "as long as you have at least 1 point in your grit pool"
Okay, looking into feats for a Medic who two-hands a Heavy Steel Shield. Obvious 1st level feat is Improved Shield Bash, but what is even worth grabbing from there?
Power Attackeven though I'm 3/4 BAB and don't have any built-in to-hit increases outside of boosts? Discipline Focus: Steel Serpent if I intend to dabble in that DC-heavy discipline? Martial Charge? Victorious Recovery?
>>46415532
mah nigga
http://pastebin.com/Fwh9VXTX
This was posted last thread, is it any good?
>>46415461
>The Book of Nine Tails
>>46415198
I just started to play last week but do you mind telling me why magus would work? is it because you can still use magic or?
>>46415602
The 'cannot be reduced' was errata, but it always cost 1 grit to start.
>>46415694
Not especially. It has no spells at level 20.
So what's this I hear about Daikitsubeing in lesbians with the Naga Goddess?
>>46415694
It's pretty good. For a Fighter. High T4, easily, but it's still just a martial.
>>46415708
Because Spellstrike+Spell Combat is really the only type of "1h weapon with an empty offhand" that is not garbage, simply because it's actually TWF with magic.
So, yes, it's mostly because you can still use magic.
>>46415780
Too bad errata declared spell combat to be "using your other hand" and thus preventing it from working with fencer's grace or slashing grace
>>46415746
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>46415780
Not anymore, Fencing/Slashing grace got nerfed.
>>46415694
Depends. As a hypothetical build? Sure, it's great. As something to play in an actual game? It'd probably get you slung out, if you found a game that ran to level 20 in the first place.
>>46415808
>>46415824
Did they touch Dervish Dance?
Also, Deadly Agility is a thing. Not a 1pp thing, but nobody with any sense is 1pp-only, anyway.
>>46415746
It came up exactly once in a PFS module and if so they're in the closet.
>Also known as the Serpent’s Kiss, Nalinivati is a deity of fertility and sorcery. As such, she is worshiped by non-nagaji sorcerers, as well as those who wish to have large families or who are having trouble conceiving. She has been romantically linked with the kitsune goddess Daikitsu, although both goddesses deny this relationship.
>>46415737
I mean for a fighter. It seems to have a lot of bases covered. Good at skills, good at movement, stupidly high defenses. Like better than a normal fighter.
>>46415780
>It's pretty good. For a Fighter. High T4, easily, but it's still just a martial.
Yeah, but could it be better? I don't know if dirty trick is worth it on the build. It's a lot of investment. However Nauseated is super strong.
>>46415846
>Nalinivati is a deity of fertility and sorcery. As such, she is worshiped by non-nagaji sorcerers, as well as those who wish to have large families or who are having trouble conceiving
Why is Tian Xia so great?
>>46415694
I don't even know what's going on here, is that a quadruple VMC fighter?
>>46415845
Nope
Which sucks, because it means that, using only 1pp material, the only way to build a dex magus is to use a scimitar.
So basically, they haven't actually nerfed magus too hard, scimitar is a good choice for magus anyway, but they have mad it more boring
>>46415830
Why would it get you slung out?
>>46415882
Oh. Then no, not even a bit, it's melee. Melee is worthless, it should be using a bow instead.
>>46415890
Mutation Warrior + Eldritch Guardian + VMC Barbarian + EH Orc bloodline it seems.
So Fighter + Alchemist + Barbarian + Sorcerer + Wizard class features.
>>46415882
Could it be better? Absolutely. With 20 levels of anybody with spells.
>>46415904
Was it a change in the Magus' wording, or those two feats? Because if they changed the Magus' wording, then it wouldn't work for Dervish Dance either. Still absolutely retarded and hilarious.
Seriously, Paizo, what are you even doing? Your hamfisted attempt at taking nice things away from non-Swashbucklers managed to make those two feats completely worthless.
>>46415886
...are you seriously getting all googly-eyed over "a fertility deity exists and is worshipped for fertility reasons"?
Like, anon, that's been a thing in basically every setting and across all of human history.
>>46415939
Why is melee worthless? I always see that as because it can't close gaps, but this has SLA teleport.
>>46415962
>being surprised at autism
Welcome to /pfg/. I don't know why people think it's comfy.
>>46415907
Because at a rough glance it's nigh-unhittable for an average CR 20, pretty well untouchable via saves and can 1 round the average CR 20 too.
>>46415970
It's not autism, its funtism!
>>46415957
>Could it be better? Absolutely. With 20 levels of anybody with spells.
Ok I obviously mean as a fighter. Even then though what does a caster do against it in direct combat? By direct combat I mean combat where both are within 1000 feet of one another and are aware of one another. It seems getting teleported at makes it so the caster has to play defensively when a large portion of his health is gone from an attack.
All emergency force sphere does is buy him time to teleport away. Some with contingency to get away.
The fighter has guarding and he wouldn't need the +5 against the wizard so his saves are out of the wizard's range for anything that isn't spell perfectioned.
The wizard could of course just be on another planet and teleport in simulacrum, but I have never in years seen anyone actually do that.
>>46415998
>he doesn't know about rocket tag
>he thinks the good spells allow saves
lmao shut the fuck up and get out of here if you don't understand what you're talking about, low-level cuck
have fun in rusty dagger shanktown
>>46415698
>>46415998
But it's still worse than a wizard of that level?
Would anyone happen to have a link to there werewolf dsp thing that I think Gareth linked here a while back?
I need to stat a ancient werewolf spirit and think that could help
>>46415957
No, it was errata for those two feats.
Specifically stating that using your other hand for anything at all stopped them from working. Whereas Dervish dance only says "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."
>>46416028
This sounds like someone who has never played level 20.
Name a good no save kill at level 20 besides wish-gaes.
You sound like you're spouting shit you've never actually played.
>>46415846
>you discover the high priestess of Nalinivati and high priestess of Daikitsu are trying to get their goddesses to hook up because they think they'd be perfect for each other
>>46416038
Thus placing it in the same class as "literally every build except the Arcanist"?
>>46416065
But if it's too strong and thus will get you kicked from the game and a wizard simply being that level is too strong shouldn't playing a wizard at all get you kicked from level 20.
By that logic playing at tier 1-3 character should.
>>46416065
>implying Arcanist is better
All it can actually do better is boost DCs, which still isn't enough to keep up with saves.
>>46416059
Okay, hold up, let's all be honest here.
Has ANYONE on /pfg/ right now legitimately played a game at level 20 for any length of time? I'm really curious.inb4 "nobody on /pfg/ plays Pathfinder stupid"
>>46416024
It's not a PvP game, so it's not particularly important. Furthermore, this Fighter is still heavily reliant on other classes for solving problems that can't be fixed with "hit it until it dies." He can fly, great! He can teleport, awesome! But those still leave him VERY limited in what narrative power he has.
>>46416043
Good. It means they forgot Dervish Dance exists, and therefore it will likely fly under the radar for 1pp folks who don't want to be garbage cans.
>>46416028
>cuck
Nice, you use a word you don't know the meaning of. Most SLAs of a creature of that level do allow SLAs, and what no-save ability would you use on it? And sure rocket tag is a thing, but that doesn't mean every encounter can, must and will end in a round, speaking as someone currently playing in a level 15 Iron Gods campaign.
>>46416038
It's really not though, at least not in combat which the system is about. Nothing's immune to damage. Unless you think a build is fine making every level-appropriate fight pointless as long as it can't diplomance people too, in which case sure a wizard is better.
>>46416096
nobody on /pfg/ plays Pathfinder stupid
>>46415694
What is Strength of Beasts?
>>46416091
>saves
>>46416096
Yes, although nobody in that game played a 9th level caster to 20. Well, except for the Sorcerer but he was using Wordcasting.
>>46416135
Presumably meant Strength of the Beast, the Orc bloodline +inherent bonus to Str.
>>46416135
Bloodline ability from Eldritch Heritage at a glance
>>46416096
>Has ANYONE on /pfg/ right now legitimately played a game at level 20 for any length of time?
I have. Several series of level 20 oneshots. Overall I'd say a total of 25 or so sessions between 8 characters.
>>46416097
>It's not a PvP game, so it's not particularly important. Furthermore, this Fighter is still heavily reliant on other classes for solving problems that can't be fixed with "hit it until it dies." He can fly, great! He can teleport, awesome! But those still leave him VERY limited in what narrative power he has.
I mean, what kind of situation would you say he is entirely incapable in? The only one I can really think of off the top of my head is social, but you can't expect everyone to have every skills.
Besides, fighting a wizard doesn't mean it's a pvp game. There are plenty of enemy wizards. Like most liches.
>>46416108
>It's really not though, at least not in combat which the system is about. Nothing's immune to damage. Unless you think a build is fine making every level-appropriate fight pointless as long as it can't diplomance people too, in which case sure a wizard is better.
You could easily make that build diplomance people too, if only for intimidate.
>>46416136
This meme needs to die. Whenever anyone brings it up they can't tell me what high level no save strategy they have besides wish-geas.
>>46416037
>Target: humanoid creature touched
>Doesn't affect Aasimar or Tieflings or other Native Outsiders
shit spell desu senpai
>>46416201
Good point.
>mfw I was trying to be lazy by avoiding rewriting it to account for what would happen with non-humanoid body types
>>46416037
>>46416201
>>46416224
Pls explain what happens when I apply Tailful Polymorph to a gelatinous cube.
>>46416039
Lords of the Wild. Elric did it, should be in the pastebin.
>>46415694
I'm curious, does it miss anything for increasing it's save/attack rolls/AC?
If it didn't focus on dirty trick it seems like it could just get two of the +saves and greater +saves feats. It seems like something else might be better though. idk.
I really don't know how you would push a fighter farther.
i'm a new player trying to make my character, and im looking for a playable race that has a really weird/disgusting/abominable physical appearance. i basically want to play as someone that is a horrifying combination of multiple races. what race would fit this best?
>>46416250
Autism is a safe bet.
>>46416198
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?235072-PF-Spells-with-no-saving-throw
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qs14?Spells-with-No-Saves
Google turned those up, although they're not exactly the same as wish-geas. Also, wish-geas does do quite a bit, to be absolutely fair.
>>46414216
>is in a game with DSP and SoP
>25pb, 20rp custom races, lvl 10 with standard wealth
>regular magic has to use SoP versions
>but DSP psionics aren't allowed because it is significantly higher power than SoP stuff that is being used as game baseline
>classes that would be 4th level casters now have Casting as 1/2 casters from SoP
>classes that would be 6th level casters cast as 3/4 casters SoP
>full casters must be SoP
>is going to be playing a PsyArm/Aegis/Daring Hero after having to retire their psion due to being to potent for the setting
>is playing as as something like pic related
>its alewdgame with occationalERPstuff going on
If you're interested I'll check if the DM is still accepting people.
>>46416300
A combination of multiple races is hard to find, however Tieflings can be horrifying. You're part evil outsider. This include demons, daemons, devils, and more.
The most disgusting would probably be Qlippoth. They're what existed before mortals and manifestations of primal chaos + primal evil. Choose one of them:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/qlippoth
Base your appearance and physiology off of it. May I suggest:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/qlippoth/qlippoth-chernobue
>>46416300
You'll not beat a qlippoth-spawn tiefling.
>>46416224
>>46416201
What do you think of this version?
>>46416250
Change shape is a polymorph effect, so you can't have a humanoid-shaped gelatinous cube under the effects of the spell.
>>46416332
>lewd
I am interested.
>>46416343
>>46416362
awesome, yea tiefling seems to fit the description, and qlippoth the appearance. thanks!
>>46416332
Not him, but I'm certainly intrigued
>>46416318
>Also, wish-geas does do quite a bit, to be absolutely fair.
Wish-geas also costs 25k every time you cast it unless you use blood money and are in the body of a whale.
>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?235072-PF-Spells-with-no-saving-throw
See, I can't find anything that slows down this fighter.
Sirocco is the closest with exhaustion as the penalty for taking damage, but he can just teleport out of it after becoming fatigued and fatigued isn't bad enough to worry about.
The other ones they mentioned require him to be at low health, or vulnerable to straight hit point damage.
Touch attacks are dangerous, but enervate doesn't kill him fast enough for the caster not to die even if the fighter can't make full attacks.
>>46416332
Zenbu is best Symphogeah, but Zenbu is not for lewds. Please do not sexualize the Zenbu.gl, sounds like you guys are having fun.
>>46416414
Expendable caster mooks can totally be a thing. Especially since a Fighter of this caliber certainly is well-known to his enemies, and thus preparations to deal with him can be made.
Just like how you can prepare for a Wizard enemy, you can prepare for a Fighter enemy. It's probably easier, too, because the Fighter only has a handful of tricks up his sleeve.
>>46416332
Why does this game sound like such cancer. Why does /pfg/ eat shit like this up.
Honestly the more I know about /pfg/ the most I feel like the players here are just absolute garbage. They're entitled, they play poorly, they only like to roleplay if it's ERP, they build special snowflakes.
I'm saying this as someone who has played in games that recruited from /pfg/. Holy shit you people are trash, only had two that I didn't hate.
>>46416414
>not being in the body of a whale at all times
Try again.
>>46416448
>Expendable caster mooks can totally be a thing. Especially since a Fighter of this caliber certainly is well-known to his enemies, and thus preparations to deal with him can be made.
True, if the fighter is alone and walking into something prepared for him he loses. However this is true for literally every kind of character. Countering characters is easy.
>>46416332
I'm pretty sure I applied for this once as an asura-themed Daevic//Zealot.
I'd be willing to try at it again.
>>46416450
Whales can't make somatic components. You can't cast wish because you can't still wish.
>>46416414
The fighter has Int 14, it seems. Maze slows him down just fine, he needs an average of 6.666... full-round actions to escape. I also vaguely remember hearing of a gonzo-optimized enervation-metamagicked wizard that could oneshot most characters, although that probably relied on 3.5e metamagic-abuse bullshit.
>>46416449
Because it is and because a very loud minority of people here are absolute filth.
>>46415046
A surly noble socialite, who's obscenely wealthy father's will had stipulated that he "complete and record a noble and heroic task commonly referred to as and adventure, in the sight of the gods and a suitable team of fellow heroes".
That was an amusing, if short game. Character absolutely hated the idea of being an adventurer, but hated the idea of being poor even more.
>>46416495
Silent polymorph yourself to have hands.
>>46416332
>if you're interested I'll check if the DM is still accepting people
>it's a lewd game
I mean, on one hand it's a chance to use DSP stuff, on the other, ehhhh?What format are you using? If it's entirely IRC I'm at least tentatively interested, depending on the time.
Can a non path of war class multi into one?. if so would they gain maneuvers = to what level they have in that path of war class?
>>46416495
Anthropomorphic Animal before you bodyswap
>>46416449
Don't worry, Anon, we have a special place for players who, like you, feel they are so much better than everyone else.
>>46416531
That could work. If you use a ring of continuation and shape change while being in the body of a whale you have semi-permanent shape change to blood money. However you drop to 2 strength every time you do it and can't heal it as an most arcane casters without a scroll.
If we include scrolls than the fighter should as well, as he actually has UMD.
>>46416548
Non-initiating classes increase Initiator level at a 2-1 basis. so if you take 6 levels of fighter, and multiclass into Warlord, your initiator level is 4.
>>46416548
Yes, you can multiclass into PoW classes from non-PoW classes. Your Initiator level for your PoW class would be equal to PoW class level + 1/2 of your non-PoW class level.
So a Slayer 6/Warlord 2 would have an Initiator Level of 5, and could take 3rd level maneuvers.
>>46416449
>>46416499
>how dare people like things that I do not
>>46416579
I'd rather be in the trash than play with /pfg/. People here are cancerous. The worst bit is people on every other online community is just as bad.
>>46416548
Yes, and no, it'd be higher. Their initiator level is equal to their level in a PoW class PLUS 1/2 their levels in non-PoW classes.
So fighter 6/harbinger 6 would have an IL of 9 and get 5th-level maneuvers.
>>46416548
>Can a non path of war class multi into one?
Why would you not be able to do this?
>If so would they gain maneuvers = to what level they have in the path of war class?
You get maneuvers as if half of your non-initiator class levels were initiator levels.
>>46416625
>how dare people like things that I do not
Yes. I think ERP-fags ruin other communities. I've seen it before.
>>46415608
You could take Power Attack if you want. If you're focusing on single attack strikes, Furious Focus turns it into effectively free damage.
>>46416625
>b-be t-tolerant of my degeneracy!!!!
No. You are objectively a shit person for liking that sort of thing. Same for pedophiles and animalfuckers. They don't get to cry about how mean everyone else is for not accepting them, and neither do you, you fucking shitstain. You're scum and you shouldn't ever think you deserve respect.
>>46416675
I mean, people who like anime are fine as long as they don't shove it down your throat and bring it into everything.
>>46416621
>>46416625
I see thanks for the help
>>46416698
Sure, but anime isn't what we're discussing.
>>46416675
Nah, you're just retarded.
>>46416675
I think you may be overreacting
>>46416675
>whining this much
>>46416671
Oh, a good point. Are IT and GL maneuvers usually single attacks? Because I'd totally be down for using them if that's the case.
>>46416675
I don't play, nor do I want to play ERP games. But nobody asked you your opinion on the subject, and he's free to mention it as it's only a sidenote to the actual important part of what he's saying.
The long and short of it is that you crying about degeneracy is FAR more annoying than the actual degeneracy. Furthermore, this is 4chan, not your personal safe space. If you can't handle it, the door is right there.
>>46416755
Most of them are, I believe.
Honestly I don't care if it's a ERP game. However I don't like people coming into games and trying to force ERP. I've seen it happen three times in games that recruited out of /pfg/. It's an escapism fantasy, I get it, but don't wave your fetishes in front of me.
It's worse when the GM indulges them. I didn't sign up for that.
>>46416776
Neat. That's going to make this guy a good bit more effective at the face-beating.
Also, I am totally taking Body of Night because it seems like it'd let me actually scout and be sneaky, even if I am wearing armor and have mediocre Dex.
>>46416798
Want my solution? ERP is behind closed doors, and while it's something that I honestly have no problems doing, if the character is acting like a creep I'm going to treat them like a creep.
You'd be amazed at how normal an "ERP" can be when the large-cheated sorceress shoots down the stuttering "cute guys" or "big buff badasses" because they're either pathetic or stupid.
And don't get me started on the visible fetishes that would be in the non-ERP, it ranges from "you're a weirdo" to "holy shit why am I running with you." You don't have to in-game put up with the shark Skinwalker wearing a collar.
>>46415694
54 str and 40 con seem kind of ridiculous. Why is this allowed?
>>46416450
Isn't that like the whole goal of the villain from ff10? To be in an immortal evil sky-whale?
So while looking at the "Brutal Bushi" Stalker, I started branching off to look at just the Bushi Stalker. How does Mithral Currant interact with TWF? Can I be constantly sheathing and unsheathing twoor moreweapons constantly? Obviously I'm going to be choking on feats, but by level 6 everything just kind of falls into place (quickdraw+mixed combat, finesse+DA, TWF+Piranha Stike[?]) assuming I'm looking at this right. Thrashing Dragon is still good, even after the nerfs, right? Riven Hourglass and Veiled moon both also look like they've got a lot of good utility as well.Yes I recognize that pic related is an absolute edgelord. It would probably be a better picture if I was asking about the Harbinger.
>>46416932
>collar
That's your standard for weird? Really? I mean, I could understand if he made it a Big Deal with some guy holding a leash, but just wearing a collar is pretty nearly normal.
>>46413473
Wait is this an actual class you're playtesting? Cuz it generates way too much THP and healing.
>>46417006
Which Thrashing Dragon nerfs?
>>46416631
Think happy thoughts anon, people here aren't really that bad.maybe the problem is you
>>46417037
Not a clue, all I know is "it got nerfed", not how it got nerfed.
>>46415694
How do you get Greater Eldritch Heritage with that little Charisma?
>>46417074
It hasn't been nerfed yet, it's just scheduled to be nerfed when PoW errata comes out.
>>46416631
There is the door. No one is making you stay if you are uncomfortable. Stick around shouting about it, and we will just assume you like the taste of shit and are just yelling to hide the fact.
>>46417034
The healing is heavily restricted per encounter and prone to healing overages, for the most part it maps to the expected high damage of monster attacks across levels, but you can only pull it off a maximum of 9 times per encounter.
The temporary HP it generates typically only has a very short duration and doesn't stack, meaning that it's only good for brief overshielding.
Additional wording is being worked on to control the way that triage interacts with damage to keep it locked on damage that's accrued only during the current encounter. So the medic will have to rely on other sources of healing to work outside of combat.
>>46417131
Not bad. Might have to look up the archetype now.
>>46417103
He only has that much with the mutagen penalty, and ability score penalties don't turn off feats.
>>46417123
So you're saying that I should just be ok when games that aren't advertised to have ERP to suddenly have it? I don't think I'm the problem here. They should be upfront if they're going to roleplay a sex scene. It's worse over voice between two men playing two womenthis has happened to me before. I don't try and join games with this, it just seems /tg/ is prone to it.
Besides, you fucking know a "no one is making you stay" attitude doesn't actually fucking work. God damn.
>>46417131
>no overcharge mode where you can give DR or other bonuses instead of healing if somebody's already at full
>>46417205
So what you are saying is, you like the taste of shit, and love to wollow in it. You like to hang out where shit is going down so you can get covered in it.
OK man, cool. You do you.
>>46417227
I'm exploring those options, but they need to be carefully balanced. There is the fast healing expertise at least.
>>46417024
The character was an obvious shark-girl and made numerous cutsy references to her "master" owning her, which was another player in the party.
To any rational person they would be a freak. To any rational person a woman with hyper-boobs would be a freak. To any rational person working with a Shortstack goblin is just asking for trouble, and generally avoided (especially if she tries to earn your trust with a blowjob.)
If they seem like a weirdo, treat them like a weirdo. Acting like it's all okay does not help them improve as role players, it does not help you feel comfortable, and it does not make game-time an enjoyable experience.
>>46416621
>>46416625
>>46416657
>>46416642
Ok so my last question is should I pick up the martial training 1-6 feats if I can't use any of the path of war classes BUT my gm is fine with me learning the maneuvers?
This is my first time playing and we just got to level 3 I like the idea of maneuvers but I'm not sure how huge a role feats play
>>46417232
I walk into a room that says "not full of shit" then it's full of shit anyway. It happens over and over. I keep looking for "no shit here" and there is still shit there.
>>46417232
More like he's taking a dump in the usual place and is complaining about the guy in the next stall throwing shit under the wall.
>>46417233
Also, what's with the lack of repeating crossbow proficiencyand custom bolts that act as giant needles?
>>46417307
This isn't team fortress 2, but there's room in the document for some more healing related items,like healing bolts perhaps.
>>46417131
>Additional wording is being worked on to control the way that triage interacts with damage to keep it locked on damage that's accrued only during the current encounter.
Ah alright, that makes more sense.
>>46417358
Yeah, unfortunately I haven't been able to sufficiently stupid-proof the wording, so I haven't added it yet.
>>46417258
You can have your cake and eat it too if you do that as a slayer or ranger. Spend your normal feats on Martial Training, use your Combat Style feats to pick up the other stuff you need. You'll be a little short on utility feats, but then there aren't very many of those anyway.
Thinking of running my next game with this homebrew from a few weeks back.
What's something that could be given to thrown weapons to differentiate them from bows and slings? I was kinda thinking of having them create difficult terrain, or just prevent five-foot-steps out of squares where thrown weapons are laying around.
What's the opinion on the homebrew in general?
>>46417416
Thrown weapons that successfully strike a target causes the target to lose their shield bonus, or get a negative to-hit, or lose movement.
You know, like what pilum were designed to do.
>>46417377
Question, in the favored class bonus section it lists "Alicorn", "Dreige", and "Wulfkin" Where are these races from?
>>46416675
>waaaagh! Everyone's fun stops where my feelings begin!
>everything must conform to my safety bubble, otherwise they are ebhil degenerates!
>I'm going to shitpost over multiple threads about how much I hate /pfg/ until this anonymous board of people stops despite having no compunction or incentive to do so! Waaagh!
>>>/paizo/
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/v/
>>>/therapy/
>>46417488
Bloodforge
>>46417484
You mean... what pilum already do?
>If you hit a shieldbearing opponent with a pilum, he loses the AC bonuses from that shield until he takes a standard action to pry the remnants of the pilum from his shield.
>>46417513
As someone who enjoys the occasional ERP, I understand exactly where he's coming from.
I don't want to be hearing about someone's cringeworthy attempts at romance or seduction when we're playing an otherwise fun campaign.
>>46417396
I look into that thanks agian
>>46417234
Okay, yeah, that's definitely way past the weird threshold. Although to be absolutely fair, some people IRL have legit hyperboobs, even if there's little to no reason ever to have it in a RPG.
>>46417513
This, my friends, is why I don't RP anymore. I join a game, furfags and weebs take over the game and build their magical realm, ruins the game, somehow I'm the asshole for actually trying to play a fucking game instead of describing horse sex in intense detail.
>>46417641
>obviously i'm the asshole for trying to make them play how i want, instead of how they want
FTFY senpai
>>46417513
Yesterday or the day before someone posted a story about the DM forcing a gay guy in unicorn shape to fuck some woman NPC and made it super creepy despite the gay guy not wanting to do that sort of shit. Don't try to pretend that's anywhere near acceptable or in the realm of subjective taste. It's just filth.
Hey, /pfg/. Anyone here play a hunter at all? Any pointers or suggestions? Starting a new game soon, and I feel like trying a new class.
What I always hated about D&D was the alignment system and the genocide inherent to dungeon crawling. The whole point of Stormbringer was that evil was the extremes of chaos and law, not a philosophy religion in itself. The Fellowship of the Ring did not enter Moria to slaughter the inhabitants and loot their homes, and tried to avoid contact before being discovered.
How can I frame the game into something that isn't based on illogical morality political parties and systematic genocide looting? Anything to provide advice on running nuanced, morally ambiguous, pseudo-realistic campaigns?
>>46417756
Play a different system.
>>46417641
You are an asshole for shouting about it where no one cares, which incidentially draws more attention to it, which is what they want, which means there is more of it, which means its even worse because of you.
You asshole.
>>46417641
Or you could just, I dunno, play a normal game with your friends, like my group does twice a month
Then again, you sound like the type of asshole who doesn't actually have any friends.
Plus you're highly exaggerating the whole situation. Many people here on /pfg/, myself included, would enjoy to play a game without weeb or ERP elements, hell I personally hate ERP myself. However coming by complaining about the jokes we make with each other, and acting like a fun nazi, only makes you come across as an asshole and an autist, especially since you've been on this anti-pfg campaign for the last several threads, which just makes it seem as though you're just a salty child with nothing better to do with your life than make nuisance out of yourself.
So perhaps instead of poopooing everything as badwrongfun, you could actually behave like a productive human being and try to discuss actual topics.
>>46417730
He was posting about it in a That Guy fashion, and everyone agreed that it was uncalled for. Quit trying to skew things into strawmen in a sad attempt to justify your autism
>>46417756
Despite the cool-kid good necromancer trend of the modern day, this is one of the things the undead are perfect for. The living interact (and sometimes go to war) in the way humans do in real life, while your dungeon crawling is often less "kill the goblins in their homes and take their belongings" and more "the dead have begun to rise in this ancient tomb. You will be rewarded if you clear out these unhallowed monsters before they spread!"
>>46417756
Just ignore alignment entirely, it's pretty easy. If some spell or effect that actually cares about alignment, have it depend on faith. Like smite evil becomes smite heretic, where a paladin of a god of freedom would activate it on a slaver or a mind-controller or anything else explicitly, opposed to freedom.
>>46417416
Oh sweet you're using my doc! Since it's mostly for players' ease-of-use, the linkified version is better to give out (no mechanical change).
That's an interesting concept for thrown weapons and makes a decent amount of sense for many of them. I guess there's no previously-existing synergy for it but it's the sort of side-benefit that wouldn't need any to be useful and niche-creating.
I've been using the brew myself and it's been good so far. The changes aren't groundbreaking but generally makes affected styles come into unique roles earlier and makes battles more varied with less stuff. Mooks using the shield one made a certain encounter with a reach-weapon boss more exciting for the PCs, toughening up the movement game through his threatened space as they covered him. The crossbow change made a standoff situation really advantageous for the PCs holding up a gang of thieves, enabling them to stop the ones that tried to make a break for it (the Overwatch Style fun with it is about to begin). And the einhander prompted appropriately tactical play in a tussle with a 'master duelist' (literally a level 4 Fighter) they had. The bard who uses it herself is having an OK time but hasn't raised her AC enough to make it a center stage attraction.
>>46417756
Murderhoboing is effectively intrinsic to games like D&D and PF.
You are not going to find what you like unless you homebrew your way around the problem, and it is likely easier to play a different system.
>>46417815
>which just makes it seem as though you're just a salty child with nothing better to do with your life than make nuisance out of yourself.
You know, he probably is trying to troll. Stop taking the bait and let's talk about something else instead. To honor the ERP-hater, let's discuss which race makes the best waifus. Who here /sylphu/?
>>46417903
QANON does obviously.
>>46417903
YOU RANG?
>>46417903
Humans make the best waifus because they're the most likely race to run into.
>>46417903
THRIAE PC RACE WHEN
>>46417756
You want advice about running a morally ambiguous campaign? Well, first of all, make sure the rest of your table wants to play that. Don't be surprised if your players actually want to accomplish something and feel like they were heroes instead of the hammer somebody else happened to use that day.
>>46417979
Never
>>46417903
Eiremians. So calm, so at peace.
>>46417903
>which race makes the best waifus.
Race does not a waifu make, but rather it is the quality of the individual, and the mutual respect you have towards eachother, that makes a waifu
So, how have I never noticed Fading Dodge, the 2nd level Steel Serpent counter before? Not only can I dodge an attack, but I get free pocket sand while I'm at it!
>>46417903
Obviously, we cannot discuss waifus without the Ethumions and the Eireimians. qt3.14s, the lot of them.
>>46417961
I can see the logic in this.
>>46417416
>>46417846
It would only make sense if the thrown weapon were one-handed or larger. Dropping a dagger or a shuriken into it doesn't make sense for rendering a 5ft space difficult terrain. And obviously you don't want to overcomplicate shit with separate light and one-handed benefits or favor one too much over the other.
>>46417961
Low standards, mate.
>>46417929
Yes, I did. Apparently this is a water genasi, but the facial scar thing looks enough like lightning to satisfy my sylph desires. What's your opinion?
>>46417994
ok but what race is most likely to have that
>>46417994
This guy knows what's up.
New shitposter here.
>Be DM
>Players want to play Pathfinder because "muh build"
>Players sitting behind their laptops, full of self-righteousness and confidence they've built the perfect "builds"
>Players ignoring my story details because builds aren't for roleplaying, they're for combat
>Don't argue with them or someone will cry "muh stormwind fallacy"
>Disgusting fat fuck slurping his super big gulp and arguing rules with others
>Everyone ignoring cues, and just waiting for their opportunity to shine with their "build"
>horde of orcs appears, with kobold horde. Teamwork throughout.
>start fudging CMB rolls in order to grab player characters
>all player characters grappled.
>steal all their stuff, leave them alive and naked
>players are wide-eyed. Tears begin to flow "but....but muh build!?"
>wailing and gnashing of teeth
>aspies triggered, begin throwing up MacDonalds all over the place
>Paizo posts of rage ensue
>I laugh, drive away in my truck
>drag disgusting fat fuck behind me until he's nothing more than a pelvis
>shitpost on /tg/ because fuck.
>>46418026
>what race is most likely to have that
Yes
Hey folks. Sometime in the next four days or so I'm gonna be back home handling Belluspex stuff. I got some great feedback a few threads ago but I lost the links; can I persuade someone not trapped on a phone to dig up the links so internal can copy the feedback into a doc?
So I hear people are interested in my game?
>SoP
>PoW
>25 pb
>20 rp
>lvl 10
>lewds
>>46418056
What times, man? That's the most important factor for a lot of people.
>>46418046
Well, that's not very productive.
>>46418038
It's pretty meh tbqh lad, not believable enough to be enraging or outrageous enough to be funny.
>>46418056
not especially but thanks for asking, and schedule's generally also important for those who are.
>>46418056
>using race points
Don't do that
Just let the nerbs use their shitty drow and tieflings and leave everyone else alone.
>>46418026
>Apparently this is a water genasi
...What is?
>>46418056
Forgot times as >>46418075 and >>46418077 pointed out
>6:30 PM, US Eastern
>>46418099
Eh I allow people to make their monstergirls this way
>>46418114
oh fuck, should be here now
>>46418077
I think he is implying that all races are equally likely to prodice a waifu that meets those standards, as they are largely based on your preferences, their abilities as a person, and your mutual respect for one another.
>>46418038
3/10, you are just boring people now. You also are not fooling anyone, just go do something else for a while.
>>46418056
The idea of lewds is a bit off-putting, but the rest sounds like it's fun enough. Plus there's probably nothing wrong with being the one celibate character.
I just have three questions
>what's RP?
>what kind of game/setting will it be?
>what are the time tables?
>>46418077
thanks, i'll work on it.
>>46418144
Mondays, should have mentioned that before.
Sorry, long day and a current player was just excited to get maybe a new player or two. RL ate several of the previous group.
>>46418213
I might be interested, but seconding the second question of >>46418190.
>>46417416
Thrown weapons IRL had a variety of utilities.
Things like atlatls or javelins could have heads that separated from the shaft easily, causing bleeding wounds and relatively easy to recover shafts.
Stuff like pila were designed to encumber the target (particularly their shields).
Throwing hammers *could* be used in melee, but were designed to disrupt shield use (by breaking people's arms/wrists).
Throwing knives and axes were fairly easy to recover and were often designed to scatter all over the place, they were usually thrown in volleys and were a skirmishers tool; you'd throw them from about 30-50ft and even if they were blocked or missed they could still bounce up and hit other people (usually in the legs or crotch), while your group charged in.
Stuff like shaken or shuriken were thrown as a distraction, though they could be poisoned. They were cheap to manufacture, easy to carry and were often thrown at the eyes or face.
Darts and rope darts were fairly easy to recover, easily re-useable and often poisoned.
>>46418213
>>46418144
>>46418056
Where does the game take place? IRC? R20? Skype?
Where would one go for more info? Because I'm fairly interested.
>>46418190
Race Points, to build a custom race
Fantasy, party is globetrotting for allies against an army if sex fiends. Women are more common as adventurers because ifthey lose they end up as pets while men tend to get killed, and at lower levels it tends to be easier to go rescue the ladiesthan raise the boys.
Mondays, 6:30 pm US Eastern
So, the rules say that you have to enchant a shield separately if you want to use it as a weapon. Does this mean you need to pay the 300g to make it a masterwork weapon on top of the 150g to make it a masterwork shield? How would you notate such a magic weapon? Would a shield with a +2 bonus to AC and a +1 Enhancement bonus to attacks and damage be written as a
>+2/+1 Heavy Steel Shield
?
>>46418276
IRC and Roll20 for mapping
This is what I get for trying to answer when distracted with RL.
>>46418282
Yeah, nah. Bad time table, and the second half of that statement is a tad too Magical Realm for my tastes. Thanks for posting though
>>46417756
>How can I frame the game into something that isn't based on illogical morality political parties and systematic genocide looting? Anything to provide advice on running nuanced, morally ambiguous, pseudo-realistic campaigns?
That's a you problem, not a system problem. Get better at storytelling.
>>46418158
IF YOU HADN'T SAID HE WAS A WATER GENASI, QANON WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN, SO HE PASSES
>>46418340
Sure thing, and yeah it's pretty magical realm. I think the closest thing to not magical realm is our pyromaniac elf that only considers people on fire to be hot.
>>46413473
The following text has been added to the medic's triage ability:
>A medic can only use this class feature to heal injuries gained during the current encounter; hit point damage, conditions, and other effects that the target had before initiative was rolled are unaffected by the triage and medic's expertise abilities.
Let me know if you can break it please.
