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I like Volkite.
>>46269360
Speaking of, twin-linked volkite on a contemptor, worth it?
>>46269360
You're a good person.
>>46269373
I dont think it is, I mean if you like it go for it but dual Kheres is much more useful.
>>46269378
Thanks. I like you too.
>>46269360
Everyone likes volkite, but is it comoetitive?
What's the best baneblade hull super-heavy for legion. Specifically turretless casemate ones.
>>46269555
It's not bad. Even without the special rule it's a S5 AP5 Assault 2 gun with 15" range. It's like a bolter, but slightly better for close range dudes. Usually the cost isn't too high for taking them, either.
Maybe too broad a question, but what forms the basis of a good Sigismund list? I'm in love with the idea of him roving around challenging everyone with a name to death but I don't know where to begin.
>>46269617
The one with the D weapon mounted on it. What is it, a Volcano Baneblade?
>>46269851
What about the Falchion? I mean, slap two volcano cannons to it and quad lascannons on the sponsons and you're done.
>>46269310
>Make your sniper scouts place a phosphex barrage using their voxes
>Get them near the blast marker
>Crawl the template over them, suffering no damage as they have Move Through cover because of recon armour
>Now ppl can only disordered charge your snipers because they're siting inside a pool of phosphex like they don't care.
>>46269617
Depends on your list and what you're facing
Shadowsword if you expect enemy superheavies
Stormlord for dakka and transport
Ever since I got a 3rd party plasma weapon to convert a Stormblade i've been quite enjoying it desu
>>46269888
Falchion isn't a Baneblade hull though, it's a Fellblade, sleeker design overall I believe.
>>46269928
It's probably close enough that with some 3rd party bitz you could do what >>46269888
said and it'd be close enough.
>>46269928
>Falchion isn't a Baneblade hull though, it's a Fellblade, sleeker design overall I believe.
Same shit, different bodykit. You can't make the tank without the baneblade kit.
>>46269921
Blood & Skulls nova cannon?
>>46269617
The one with the giant bolter.
>>46269979
>Blood & Skulls nova cannon?
Yeah
>>46270053
How'd ya mount in on the hull?
>>46269979
The Falchion is a full resin kit, not a hybrid plastic one. But the hull shape is quite close, though the angles are quite different.
>>46270138
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-DE/Legion-Fellblade?_requestid=3588798
>The mighty Space Marine Fellblade is a huge multi-part resin and plastic kit.
Spotted the red menace.
>>46270088
Mines totally magnetised so I can simply slap it in the casemate.
>>46269921
StormLord is really good. Open top is usefull, put some dev's in it and use it as a fire support base. Have an assault unit in it and counter charge bitches.
>>46270199
Touché, but see below.
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Legion-Falchion-Super-Heavy-Tank-Destroyer
>The Legion Falchion is a complete multi-part resin kit.
Looks like we're both right.
>>46269892
On that, Phosphex are free for Medusas now?
Also, kind of annoying that if you want to fire both you have to use admech ones
>>46269892
I know this is just a junky idea,but i ask anyway to make sure i got it right. To do this wouldn't you need to have your snipers 2" away from your target and wouldn't they suffer the hits?
I wanted to start 30k and thought I might wait for Prospero to come out since I like the idea of Custodes. Do you guys think that much gold will look okay on the table?
>>46270199
>>46270328
According to the uk webpage it's a multi part hybrid. This matches the one i got when they first came out. I know they've rejigged some kits since then (like the spartan) but I don;t remember hearing the fellblade had become all resin
>>46270328
How is that possible, if the Falchion and Fellblade use the same hull?
>>46270200
Does it just go on there? I thought the nova cannon was meant to go on the B&S turrets, so surely it's need some mounting point.
>>46270339
Vox allows for less scatter, so I'd get the snipers there on a later turn.
Unless I'm secretly an Iron Warrior and I'm using the Ironfire to pretty much use no-scatter ordnance :^)
>>46270333
And Ordo Reductor Medusas can shoot both ammo types by default, instead of the Legion's this-or-that
>>46270356
I'm sure they'll be fine. I can't wait to stat Kitten.
>>46270561
>Implying my Custodes won't be Kingdom Death almost nude males with Custodes heads
>>46270356
Black custodes are a thing, if you dont like gold you can just paint them black or a mix.
>>46270516
>Not riding the Iron fire
>Mfw
>>46270497
It is a little small but it does just fine for now. I've been meaning to plasticard a base to stick it to that would slot into the casemate housing so it's not quite that small.
>>46270420
>>46270469
The Fellblade is apparently Hybrid Plastic and Resin.
The Falchion is entirely resin.
That is according to their store entries, it's listed differently on each.
Perhaps they used the Baneblade's turret ring, supports and such for the Fellblade turret (easier than modelling that in resin).
Since the Falchion has a fixed super-structure, that's probably all resin.
Looks like they don't share all hull components, or this difference wouldn't exist.
>>46270647
didn't they only start wearing black after big E died?
>>46270685
No.
>>46270662
Fellblade assembly guide shows plastic kits used for the hull itself. The bottom, the sides and the front. The FW resin just forms the outside of the sides and the top. So what's so different on the Falchion that these can't be plastic?
>>46270695
I didn't realize those guys were supposed to be custodes. They have different helmets and no spears.
>>46270658
The nova cannon wouldn't fit on the stormlord mega-bolter housing?
>>46270516
Huh, thought it was 20 points for some reason.
Really sucks that it's either-or unless you're Reductor.
Which would you say is the better choice?
>>46270725
>different helmets and no spears
>>46270738
Never actually tried that since the nova cannon came long after I bought and magnetised the kit. Eyeballing it now you're right it looks like it might be a perfect fit
>>46270725
guardian spears we a later addition
custodes were originally basically just veteran marines
>>46270785
man those basically ARE stormcast eternals with a headswap.
>>46270785
>>46270798
hmm okay. Well I hope they do models with the guardian spears.
>>46270516
And don't forget that reductor medusas are also cheaper then legion ones
>>46270795
That's a huge interest for me, because I thought about using the stormlord mount for the falchion guns. But if I could mount the nova cannon there as well, all I need to do is magnetize the the main guns and sponsons and I can switch between the two. And since a Falchion and Sponsoned Stormsword cost the same, I wouldn't have to think about the points either. They'd be interchangeable when making lists.
Best legion special rule? Worst legion special rule?
I would say AL for best and IW for worst, iron warriors' special rule seems too situational, more fit a campaign where they are set as attackers than a random game.
>>46270862
They'd probably be the close combat variants with Pistol/Assault bolt weapon built into a power lance or halberd, while ranged dudes would have bolters.
>>46270853
Yup. Get some Death Guard helmets and paint them black.
>>46271000
DA Legion rules are definitely the worst
>>46270862
Oh they will, guardian spears are too iconic to just ignore and the novels certainly forgot custodes weren't always golden halberd-wielding pinheaded dudes.
I'd rather see the gold armor and spears saved for ceremonial use, though. Grey/black plate, bolters and pickelhaubes for when shit gets real.
>>46270966
Looking at this pic if you assemble the two pieces on the left with a couple of hefty magnets inside you can easily put smaller magnets in the VMB barrels/the back of the nova cannon and you should be golden.
Which guns are you going to use for the falchion?
>>46270719
Different super-structure, and I imagine they concluded that including a big chunk of the Baneblade kit for just the plastic bottom plate was a waste.
The Falchion doesn't have the demolisher cannon in the hull, there's a second cupola there, presumably for the main gun, so the forward section of the hull is quite different.
I don't see a reason why the lower portion of the hull couldn't be plastic though, much like it is on the Fellblade, but apparently it is not.
>>46271094
Would have helped if I'd attached said pic
>>46271094
Two volcano cannons. The fit there perfectly. Maybe shave off some of the rivets between the two to make them sit right next to each other.
What was the new buffs to the Justaerins? Any point change?
>>46271145
Base unit is now 5 instead of 3 for the same points. Also unit can go up to 11 now. Bumped up to 2 wounds.
>>46271145
Same points, same stats, but they have 2 wounds now. Can be fielded in units of 5-12.
>>46271222
Oops meant 12, not 11.
Which mk legion shoulderpads would you use with mkV armour?
>>46271102
>Different super-structure
Looks similar to me.
>for just the plastic bottom plate
And the road wheels, the inner hull, fuel tanks, etc.
>apparently it is not
Reading online people assembling one, it uses plastic kit bits. And looking at some unpainted pictures, the wheels, the fuel tanks, etc. look to be from the plastic kit.
>>46271321
MkIV, because the trim is the slimmest and thus easiest to file off for the MkV look.
>>46271329
Blame Forgeworld for confusing me then, because they certainly list it as a complete resin kit.
Don't ask me why.
>>46271135
Pretty good idea. might look at that myself
>>46271348
Last picture is pretty much all you needed to look at if you were confused.
>>46271145
And the base unit is 255, iirc. Options are unchanged.
>>46271222
I know they sucked, but being bumped to 2 W AND getting two free guys seems too much
>>46271421
Nah, they're just on par with Firedrakes now. Justaerin still don't have a good weapon option to make the most out of Merciless Fighter.
>>46271458
yeah but now they are bs5 within 12" with combi plasmas
>>46271483
Great, so they'll fuck up one unit pretty bad. Doesn't seem that OP.
>>46271483
Seekers have been doing that shit for a long time.
>>46271533
seekers also arent 2+4++ w2 with ws5 powerfists :^)
justaerin are really good
>>46271548
Never said they weren't good.
>>46271548
They are about on par with other legion specific termies now.
They aren't THAT good man. You are overrating them a bit.
>>46271421
>>46271548
I hope in your next post you finally get on target and say "They're good, but they're pretty much like all other Legion specific termies".
Like everyone else has been saying repeatedly in this thread.
>>46271577
the unit size of 12 is the difference maker.
horus + 12 justaerin is probably the strongest legion death star right now. dont need to roll for their reserves, deepstrike wherever you want with no scatter, dump 24 bs 5 plasmashots into your target, then whatever is left has to fight horus and 12 ws5 guys with fists.
>>46271626
Which is what they should've been from the beginning of the game. I imagine everyone is just overreacting to the buff because they didn't realize just how absolutely worthless they were when they first came out.
>>46271651
>Which is what they should've been from the beginning of the game.
sure, but you cant say 'they arent that good, they are only on par' when they are the best legion death star.
you can argue that they arent THAT overpowered, but they are the best right now.
>>46271691
I imagine you're confusing me with another anon, I never said "They aren't that good."
1. They're good
2. They're now on par with other legion termies
3. They're not OP like you think they are.
4. Are they the best? That's up for debate.
>>46271222
>>46271251
>>46271416
Thanks lads!
>>46271742
i never said they were OP that was someone else.
they arent 'on par' they are better, they are slightly OP because they are ether undercosted, or have too large of a maximum unit size.
horus himself, is OP. thats pretty common knowledge, and he probably should be OP. when you combine the OP horus with the undercosted 12 man justaerin unit, they are by far the strongest legion deathstar, not just 'on par'. theyd steamroll any other legion deathstar, assuming they got the plasmashots off, even if they got charged afterwards.
>>46271801
I'm going to stop replying because your argument is jumping all over the place. We're talking about Justaerin. Not Justaerin + Horus. Every observation I've made so far has been about Justaerin and Justaerin alone.
Of course if you take a unit and throw in an OP model, i.e. Horus, he's going to make the unit stronger. That's what's called a force multiplier.
>>46271626
I think you're over rating the effectiveness of a giant foot slogging point sink that can't even hurt the other guy's death star the turn it arrives because Spartan.
There is such a thing as too many eggs in one basket.
>>46270966
So I managed to carefully pry my VMB apart. That's what the nova cannon looks like in the mount
>>46271876
>I'm going to stop replying because your argument is jumping all over the place
its not jumping anywhere.
you said they are only 'on par' with firedrakes, which were the best legion terminators, im saying that they are noticeably better. being able to take a 12 man unit with WS5 fists and BS5 plasma puts them ahead of any other terminator in the game. and when you add in horus is basically a brainlessly easy i win button, if you are fighting against another 'death star'.
Has anybody made a tier list or at least a decent power ranking for all the primarchs?
>>46271943
>that can't even hurt the other guy's death star the turn it arrives because Spartan.
you choose when them come in, you dont roll for reserves with them.
a few drop pods with meltabomb guys, or whatever method you want to blow up the spartan, is what opens the spartan. then you choose what turn the massive horus deathstar drops in and smashes it.
As someone who never learned the rules to 40k, would the game be a more simple introduction? Like with the cards and stuff.
I enjoy the modeling so I have plenty of guys to play with.
>>46271614
Just saying:you are quoting two different people
>>46272041
It uses 40k rules, just learn them it's a very fucking easy game, you aren't stupid, are you?
>>46272041
Are you talking about Betrayal at Calth? Not really, it's nothing like the 40k/30k rules. If you're looking for something light though, you could do worse.
>>46272103
The rulebook I got with a set seems pretty thick. Also I don't have anyone to play/learn with.
>>46272195
Stick to Dawn of War kid.
>>46271948
You can't see it, but I'm rubbing my nipples right now.
>>46271996
Points wise they are well balanced. The 1d4chan article has mathhammer on primarch vs primarch
>>46272227
I said in my post I've only been interested in the building the models and until recently only got interested in learning.
>>46272331
Just watch a few games to get the hang of it?
>>46271626
I kinda feel like Perturabo + 6 Iron Circle with the +1 WS are
>>46270650
Cant ride the Ironfire if I kill everyone, brother. Ferrum Honore veniat
>>46270766
->>>46270947
Reductor Medusas are great, and bringing then as allies is quite easy: being a Reductor magos instead of a Siege Breaker, and Thallax seldom disapoint.
With the coming of phosphex rapiers tho, SB become the better option.
Dubs, pick my consul (as in legion & consul)
>>46272195
The rulebook is also full of background and hobby advice. Also pictures fucking everywhere.
>>46272414
>Dubs, pick my consul (as in legion & consul)
Saboteur. We wrecking shit.
>>46271000
ALs good but IF are better at their specific schtick. ALs strength is in their adaptability (you did make your Coils list not dependent on taking infiltrate, right?
Any suggestions on where I can buy some tabard bits, that are not covered in chaos symbols, are not fur, and are not those roman leather straps?
Just nice, clean tabards.
>>46272398
How many points is Perty and 6 ICs?
>>46272398
they are really good too, but the 24 plasma shots would thin them down a bit.
also that deathstar would cost like 500 points more than 12 justaerin + horus
iron circle are definitely cooler looking
Can someone sell me on seekers?
They just look so completely pointless with their custom ammunitions
>>46272007
Can't use those melta bombs the turn you drop in, enjoy getting your unit annihilated by a medusa
>>46272529
that why youd drop multiple units
or better yet drop 2 contemptor with double grav fists. you can run any rite of war you want since horus has such insane special rules, take the dreadnought as troops RoW.
>>46272523
BS5 Combi-Plasmas with PE against one unit and a drop pod. You'll pretty much kill whatever unit you choose to mark for death.
>>46272445
>You did make your Coils list not dependent on taking infiltrate, right?
Hnnnnng
I don't dare picking Aloha Legion because I can't think of a list that doesnt abuse Infiltrate, and for such thing I'd better go RG, which infilrated aaand gets FC among other things.
Tank Hunter Laser Destroyers? Sounds good tho
>>46272561
>dreadnought as troops RoW
Basically proven that you're not worth listening to at all.
>>46272523
>BS:5 reroll to hit against their target rending shots that cost slightly more than a tactical squad
What is wrong with you
>>46272587
what? because you are too retarded to read the new rites of war?
>>46272586
Those are fun lists and it's always a good "option" but the challenge is making sure you're not pidgeon holed into always using infiltrate. Scout can be situationally better and counter attack is hilarious with the right build
>>46272610
No but you are for thinking this is good.
>>46272586
Use Autilon Skorr.
He gets to choose a Strategic Warlord Trait, #3 in that list is Master of Ambush. He and 3 units get infiltrate.
Voila, your entire compulsory troop selection just got infiltration (no Rhinos needed).
Stick Autilon somewhere safe in another infiltrating unit (Headhunters or something), find a cool unit to steal and then season to taste.
>>46272561
Okay so you drop your two contemptors and your Horus Justaerins deathball, IE 1/2 of your 2000 point army, and then proceed to do nothing because you can't charge on your drop turn
>>46272243
I just swapped my baneblade to the Shadowsword configuration. With the extra length from the VMB mount the nova cannon reaches to the back of the hull mounted HBs so it's absolutely perfect
The volcano cannons might be a tad long as standard for a Falchion though. In the same mount they stick out past the front of the treads
>>46272450
http://anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Cloaks-and-Loincloths
>>46272623
Not to mention the other retarded requirements like needing a Primus Medicae and Forge Lord.
>>46272623
>oh no i gave up 2 extra victory points
>never mind that horus just raped their death star + everything else they have
yeah, you are retarded
>>46272630
The biggest weakness of using Skorr is that it means you're not using Dynat: that's about it
>>46272638
>24 bs5 plasmashots = do nothing
never change /tg/
>>46272655
Enjoy your shit list bro. If it were even remotely fluffy sure, but you're just trying to justify your idiotic choices.
>>46272655
Are you really trying to justify two contemptors as distractions? Fuck, do you sit in your basement and just play this game in your head by yourself?
>>46272646
except youd want both of those in the deathstar anyway. 3+ invuln forgelord with rad nades and the medicae for FNP
>>46271786
All I can think of that pose
>>46272674
So you did what a seeker squad in a drop pod would have done for approximately 6x the cost. Well done.
>>46272711
> Gesturing to my left...
>>46272672
Dynat is indeed nice, but I feel the improved flexibility of using Skorr weighs up to that.
Though you're only looking at ~70 points for a pair of Rhinos, or 105 if you use 3, and then something gets to Teleport in with Hammerstrike.
To be fair, I have prototype lists for both of them, just need to build the models for them.
>>46272687
>Are you really trying to justify two contemptors as distractions?
what part of grav to open up the spartan is a distraction?
4 grav fists, unless you are running a ton of anti tank, you are going to have to ether charge 1 nought with your deathstar, or sit there and let them finish shooting you open turn 2, when the deathstar is going to blast you.
>>46272041
HH uses the same rule set as 40k for the actual game part of the game, but HH has a much more simplified scheme for army construction
>>46272733
Oh yeah they're both good. Dynat + saboteur is just brutal when you immobilize their Spartan 12" outside of their deployment zone. Let alone when you blow it up
>>46272744
...and you need to run Fury of the Ancients for this why? Because you like giving up 2 VPs and losing?
>>46272721
>6x the cost
>700 is 6x more than 400
nice math, try getting out of highschool.
>>46272777
>700 points + Horus + two contemptors is 700 points
Ok
>>46272561
That's like 500 points right there. Just to assure your 1200+ point death star even gets to do anything.
By the time your army can afford to dump 1700+ points of footsloggers into one small area to deal with a single unit you are beyond the points level where this shit is back breaking.
>>46272768
>...and you need to run Fury of the Ancients for this why?
i said you can, as in, the point being that horus can run whatever the fuck he wants since he makes justaerin and vet squads troops anyway.
>>46272731
>believing the word of the Chaos warmaster
Oh anon...Everybody knows it's Leandros who was right, not the Eye of Terror.
>>46272793
how are seekers going to blow up a spartan?
how is 1600 ish points 6x 400? you retard.
>>46271000
IW certainly looks...tame, just like the DA. I mean, a strong morale is helpful, but it only enables you to take dying with gusto, as opposed to the turbokilling shit the White Scars have.
Srsly, move 6" and suddenly you reroll ones to hit AND to wound, like the melee legions, AND it also works on the shooting phase if you're so inclined to read it that way, and it also gives extra cover.
It's hard to not be jealous.
>>46272801
Alright, usually when people make a point they don't lead with the stupidest example, but you do you anon.
>>46272523
>BS5
>20 frag grenades a turn
>can reach out and touch someone 30" away
>Rending Shred
>Preferred Enemy Combi-plasmas vomiting on your opponents most beloved unit.
>>46271786
>>46272829
Theyll blow up a spartan about as much as 24 plasma shots will
>>46272901
i already made my point 50 posts ago when the idiots tried saying that 'justaerin are just decent guise, really, muh firedrakes'.
justaerin should be capped to 10 in a unit, and need a very slight points bump on the initial unit cost. until then, they are best. deal with it, you were wrong.
>>46272955
Oh you're that guy. Makes sense then why your arguments are incoherent.
>>46272947
i know you are just being retarded but you added in the cost of 4 grav fist dreads :^)
seekers suck balls compared to justaerin
>>46272955
So Justaerins are op because they can do what seekers do for double the cost, I guess
>>46272998
and because they can simultaneously do what firedrakes do, for like 100 points more.
its ok i understand you have a learning disability.
>>46272998
But don't forget you can add Horus and make them even more OP! Because Justaerin are OP.
>>46272744
It's pretty evident you don't actually play this game but drop podding a bunch of melee stuff so it can wait around for a turn dyig is an awful strategy
>>46273054
But Justaerin are OP, they'll survive anything.
>>46273054
>4 grav guns
>12 plasma guns
>melee stuff
nice bait retard :^)
the fact that they can beat any other deathstar in melee is just a bonus.
>>46273042
>SoH faggots get buttmad because they dont want to admit that justaerin are easymode right now
>>46273083
The only person in this thread that is buttmad is you. Everyone else is on the same page about Justaerin being fine for what they do. Obviously, you have issues dealing with them and want everyone to know that.
>>46273042
And apparently a Primus Medicae and Forge Lord.
Because I want to put all my points into 15 models, on foot, that can't run, that will deploy in a small tight circle.
It'll kill fucking anything it touches. But it's only going to touch one thing and then shuffle around feeling foolish for the rest of the game.
>>46273117
But Justaerin are OP.
>>46273083
And then die to half their cost in HS
They're a death star unit that's slightly more Death Star. Good but not really game breaking
>>46273083
But if the enemy also has powerfists your Justaerins die like 1 wound chumps.
>>46273110
>Obviously, you have issues dealing with them and want everyone to know that.
nah i play IF, id just rape them all with intercept
but on paper they are by far the strongest deathstar.
>>46273146
But,How?Justaerin are OP.
>>46273139
yeah, but they have 12 of them, while everybody else has 10. if you dont put plasmaguns on them, and just give them all fists they only cost like 600 points
>>46273146
>but on paper
Great argument.
>>46273041
Which is funny since seekers will do the same thing (unload plasma and die) for less than either
>>46269373
Depends on your target. If you know you're playing a horde army the culverins might be worth a whirl. They have range on the kheres and deflegrate.
>>46273202
except they wont die easily, since they are a 24 wound unit with a 2+ 4++.
I think it's great AL can fit 12 Justaerin + primarch + primus medicae in a spartan but SoH can't
Also infiltrating/scouting that is terrifying
>>46273193
>my unit isnt OP eventhough math says it is!
>400x6=1600
k kiddo
>>46273223
Yeah cause if 30k is missing anything, it's AP2 ID marine removal
>>46273169
>But, How? Justaerin are OP.
they are... but 120 BS5 bolter shots firing intercept is OP too :^)
>>46270862
guardian spears are too iconic to be left out. It'd be like marines with no bolters and power armor
>>46273279
>typhon
>vindicators
thats pretty much it, assuming youd kill the vindicators with your grav pods, the typhon is going to have a hard time even hitting them since they lolnoscatter DS within an inch of it. not that the typhon would kill them all anyway.
>>46273252
>jokes on you, I'm only suiciding 1600/2000 of my army on you
>>46273291
>Marines with no bolter and power armour
M'looooooord :^)
>>46273239
11 Justaerin once you reveal, as 1 needs to be Alpharius in disguise.
>>46273321
>he doesnt play 3k games as standard
kek, stay poor. :^)
How do we treat the Aiolos missile launcher on the Deredeo, /tg/?
It isn't specified what kind of weapon it is (catpace, pintle, hull, etc), but it looks like a turret to me.
RAWfags I've played against have played it as a weapon with a 45 degree firing arc facing forward but that seems dumb.
What do we think?
>>46273520
Aiolos intercepts within 60", ignores LOS and hits you on the side. It's turret mounted for all I care
>>46273520
it's basically turreted, and it ignores LoS anyway (it even automatically targets side armour, regardless of the angle it's fired from).
So it should not be restricted to a 45 degree firing arc.
>>46273627
>>46273692
Doesn't ignore LOS. It ignores obstacles to LOS when in open terrain. So you still have to draw LOS which is what Anon was asking. I consider it a turreted weapon.
>>46269740
Sigismund and a whole lot of templar. So many the enemy won't have enough bullets to kill off.
>>46272894
No, it's +1 to your cover save (to a maximum of 3+) and rerolls ones to wound.
Not as bad.
So I'm looking at how I would build a Legio Cybernetica list that has both Anacharis Scoria and two Thanatars in it. It's kind of awkward to do since his warlord trait makes them lose thier shit if they ever go outside controller range, which means running more controllers than you'd usually want. I had the idea of using a unit of two Techpriest Reductors with Conversion Beamers and Cortex Controllers (with a full eight Servo-Automata for ablative wounds) for a backfield control bubble that could sit between both Thanatars while also providing some decent strength shooting. Think it would work? Here's the list I had sketched out:
HQ
Anacharis Scoira with Xanathite Abeyant
Troops
2x20 Tech-Thralls with Carapace Armour, Rite of Pure Thought, Triaros Armoured Conveyor DT
1x3 Castellax with ETA, Frag Grenades, 2x Flamers each (Scoria goes here)
1x3 Castellax with ETA, Darkfire Cannons
Elites
Tech-Priest Auxilia with two Adepts (Conversion Beamer, Cortex Controller, Reductor) and eight Servo Automata (no weapons on the automata, they're just there for cheapo wounds)
Fast Attack
The Homonculex (because why not, right?)
Heavy Support
2x1 Thanatar with ETA
Running two Thanatars gives some redundancy in case one gets tarpitted or focused down early on, and it also gives a little more board coverage since I could spread them out a bit. And, besides, it's the coolest model in the whole HH range, why wouldn't you want to run two?
The main thing I don't like about the list is that I don't have any room for the unit of Vorax I'd like to bring for Scoria to cast Rite of the Beast on, but it's not a huge deal since he can just cast it on his own unit of Castellax to help them get up the board faster and swing first.
>>46272469
1720
>>46273320
>lascannons
>anything melta
>basically any LoW
>>46272523
20 small blasts
>>46272523
Pick a unit, any unit! Ready? BOOM, its gone!
>>46269281
Trying to decide whether I should go Blood Angels or World Eaters.
Don't suppose someone has a good argument for either? I am so in the middle of the two I could use a bit of swaying.
>>46274334
Blood Angels
>red
>only girl Primarch
>happens to be the best grill out of all Primarchs
World Eaters
>baddies
>Primarch couldn't conquer his home planet
>not even red
>>46274334
Bonk
>>46274365
>only girl primarch
>who is Fulgrim
>>46274365
>World Eaters
>Not even red
Careful now.
>>46274334
World Eaters.
The reason? Blood for the Blood god!
>>46274397
some disgusting cokehead, next question
>>46274334
one has white armour
the other doesn't
>>46274334
do you want to paint blue and white or red and nipples?
>>46274365
>liking red over blue
>liking grills
Check out this faggot.
>>46274429
I like both to be quite honest.
>>46274334
>>46274387
CONTEMPTOR SHOVING MATCH
>>46274365
Blood Angels
>girly
>like art
>bitch made mutant primarch
>fags/10
World Eaters
>noble barbarian primarch with tragic backstory
>entire legion is BAMPH as fuck
>manly
>warrior brotherhood
>>46274456
world eaters can be blue and white AND red, since some of them were painting their armor red already... so you could do both colors if you wanted.
>>46273327
Literally a fag version of the Dark Eldar. Top lel.
>>46274334
>>46274464
>>46274387
>I DEMAND YOUR LUNCH MONEY, NERD.
>>46274496
See pic.
Is HoW resolved before or after Challenges are issued and models are moved about?
I was thinking of trying to use the Stone Gauntlet, which requires 2 compulsary squads of Breachers and dear god are they points-expensive.
3000 points of IF (Stone Gauntlet)
Sigismund + 10 TH+SS Terminators in a Spartan
3x Laser Destroyer Rapiers
2x 20-man Breacher Squads w/ 4 Graviton Guns
3x Medusas
Sicaran
Whirlwind Scorpius
>>46274365
World Eaters go and beat the red paint out of their enemies mid-battle though.
The only reason I would even tell this guy to not consider WE is because their rules aren't too great and they are the Ultramarines of 30k. They were the first legion to come out, appear in the most product photos, and are one of the most played legions.
But they are also way more badass then BA. We'll have to wait for more BA stuff to see but I don't particularly like BA even in 40k. If you go BA I'd recommend going proto-Flesh Tearers
>>46274532
>War Hounds
>White Blue WE
>White Red WE
>Khorne Red WE
World Eaters are like Marvel's Wolverine in terms of costume color changing.
>>46274557
How do you go Flesh Tearers?
>>46274576
Paint black shoulders and use Nassir Amit when he's released (Terminator line officer with dual chainfists) and take all the melee options.
>>46274574
pretty much
>>46274576
With lots of blood.
>>46273836
Ahh, then it's not op, srry about that. But does it affect shooting?
Is says "in the movement (WTF?) and/or Assault phase it gains X benefits"...BUT ALSO "until the beginning of the controlling player's next turn", so:
a) Move 6" and reroll shooting ones to wound
b) Move 6" and reroll melee ones to wound (this we can all agree on)
c) A flyer arrives without deepstriking, so it gains +1 to cover because its zooming (and zooming always moves 18"/is considered moving)
d) No anon, vehicles (such as flyers) don't have LA rules! Yet it says 'or 12" if the unit is a vehicle'. As such, moving a Predator 12" would give it +1 to, say, its smoke launchers?
e) Dreads can only benefit from the rule if they manage to charge full 12", as they are vehicles and need to move that distance".
Srsly, IW rules are fucking easy and simple. They just do what you expect them to do and that's it. But, if they release cool stuff for WS I might consider getting some units of them.
>>46274540
>Is HoW resolved before or after Challenges are issued and models are moved about?
Without double checking the rulebook I'm pretty sure HoW is the first thing that happens. It would be a little weird to charge in, issue a challenge, move models about, and THEN do impact damage to the guy you challenged because you charged into them so fast it hurts.
>>46274576
>>46274601
>Nassir Amit
God, I hope his rules do him justice. Just look at this glorious fucker. If he's not dual wielding chainfists with a TL bolter on each it'll be quite a disappointment.
>>46274662
That's what makes sense to me too, cheers.
>>46274499
>>46274468
Blood Angels
>Elegant
>Artistic
>Primarch was too good for this world
World Eaters
>Probably retarded
>Inconsistent colour scheme
>Primach was couldn't even conquer his own world
The only other primarch who couldn't conquer his own world was Mortation, and even he got 99.9% there
>>46274607
I wonder how many white and red armies we'll start seeing now that these HH6 images are out.
I'm a blue guy and like regular WE but this white red scheme looks awesome. Like an evil Jetfire.
>>46274499
>fag version of dark eldar
>As if all eldar weren't fags already
DEldar are even fagger, but they turbofag it with several other flavors, so they're in a whole other level
>>46274640
It says reroll failed to wounds of a 1 with all attacks.
FW are usually good with specifying ranged and melee combat. So yes I would assume ranged and melee.
I also recommend reading the rule dude. You are misquoting it quite a bit.
>>46274726
The World Eaters didn't even recruit from Nuceria, and Agron even admits that, if Emps hadn't shown up then he'd be dead, as his gladiator army was making a last stand, not conquering the world.
But when Nuceria went compliant, Angron didn't even pay attention to it anyway.
>>46274557
Are you sure they are the most played legion?
I see fuck all World Eater players, yet I see Alpha Legion and Sons of Horus players all over the place.
>>46274726
>>Probably retarded
"Probably"?
>Inconsistent colour scheme
Means more choice.
>Primach was couldn't even conquer his own world
Means they're the only non-snowflake legion.
>>46274854
They're the most common on the internet. I don't know any IRL either. I'm the guy you're responding to. SoH are also popular since they're the Ultramarines of the traitors. AL did not get popular until recently and I suspect it's only the flashy paintjob and conversion kits that made that happen. They weren't as popular when their rules first came out.
>>46274496
>blue and white AND red
U-S-A!
U-S-A!
>>46274854
Last time we straw-polled HHG the top few legions were Imperial Fists, Emperor's Children, and Night Lords from what I recall.
>>46274914
Strawpolls are worthless. The /tg/ 40k strawpoll doesn't even have C:SM in the top spot.
>>46274910
>mfw thats the reason why i like the red white and blue scheme
>>46274914
All that proves is IF EC and NL have the most morons who answer strawpolls.
Or are you stupid enough to think that a strawpoll which not everyone took, in a thread on /tg/ where not every 30k player is reading, on 4chan a site where not every 30k player posts is representative of a vast majority of 30k players worldwide?
>>46274938
You're worthless.
>>46274914
I remember one guy (read: moron) saying he voted seven legions in that.
I wouldn't find them reliable.
>>46274967
THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT
>>46274914
SoH were the top spot
>>46274975
yeah that too
>>46274975
Doubtful. I tried voting more times for the death guard. And, probably, the other 3 dudes that voted for them tried it too.
:^(
>>46274975
Maybe he plays seven legions! You don't know his life!
>>46275008
You could tick as many boxes as you liked. And by God did he.
>>46275010
You're right. I shouldn't judge.
>>46275010
i remember he said that he voted for like 5 of them because 'their colors are pretty' or something
kek
>>46275010
>>46275054
>Maybe he plays seven legions!
Maybe he does
>>46275010
The only way I could see that working is if he justs has a bunch of black marines and a bunch of Raven Guard, Iron Hands and Dangel pauldrons.
In other news why did the Emperor have two legions called The ______ Angels in his atheist empire?
And two angel Primarchs?
>>46275140
He was a strange man.
>>46275054
On application forms he identifies as
[X] Asian
[X] African
[X] Caucasian
[X] Latino
[X] Native American
[X] Pacific Islander
[X] Other
>>46275140
The Emperor didn't give them the Angel names. Their Primarchs did.
>>46275164
[X] Male
[X] Female
[X] Other (specify): __Y̲e̲s̲__
>>46274760
Not him, but Dark Eldar are really more along the lines of classic 2000AD. So they are not really faggy at all compares to their Craftworld cousins who are afraid of their feels.
>>46272486
That's why you put Pert upfront and B2B all the circle with him for that 2++ fampai
>>46275177
That just makes most of the primarchs sound more like manchildren than they already were.
>>46275164
His mum got around.
She shagged as many men as she could and infused him with all of their sperm.
By the end of it he was so chock full of chromosomes that... well he would answer "yes" to a multiple choice.
>>46275239
His mother was the Emperor?
>>46275264
Biomancy works in mysterious ways.
>>46275237
Sanguinius had literal angel wings growing out of his back. What's Lion's excuse?
His name was fucking Lion why isn't his legion called the Forest Lions or something?
>>46275237
To be fair
>>46275285
he spent all day murdering forest lions, fuck naming himself after those fags
>>46275237
Well Sanguinius was from the tribe of Blood, and his legions preferred fighting style was deepstrike assault, like angels descending from heaven.
So you can see the logic there at least.
>>46275285
Because British gay poet.
>>46275318
I got it!
"The Lion Eaters"!
