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First for force-feeding the World Eaters
>>46250294
I wonder what was Angron's reaction to this. I know Horus probably wasn't too happy about it.
First for Dorn is a faggot.
>>46250367
C'mon Pert don;t you have anything better to do than shitposting?
>>46250354
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably got mad.
Is Nemean Reaver = Epimetheus = Zahariel?
>>46250445
He's always mad.
>>46250533
apart from the Nemean Lion reference, nothing about him really seems Zahariel-like. He's more like a Sigismund-like, given his sword dueling ability and jealous command. Also he's not a psyker.
Has anyone tried out an arlatax battle automata yet? I can't work out whether it'd be worth taking one with paragon of metal and 2 of the claws and let it loose. It's offensive capabilites look great but the toughness 6 and 3+ save don't.
Alright boys, lets do something more than just shitposting, lets create a Knight Errant using the character creation tables!
Knight Errant [Jump Pack, Nuncio Vox, Sniper rifle, Mastery Lvl 2, character tax] 205pts
Roll a d6!
Rolled 6 (1d6)
>>46250903
Rollin
>>46250294
Made the World Eaters eat a world/moon. I play World Eaters and I ain't even mad he did that.
Rolled 3 (1d6)
>>46250925
Rollin' again!
Now someone roll a d4!
Rolled 2 (1d4)
>>46250903
>lets create a Knight Errant using the character creation tables!
From FW or the one I made?
>>46250989
Rollan.
Rolled 6 (1d6)
>>46251080
>From FW or the one I made?
FW, whats the one you made? Anyway, he got the melee table so lest hope for a 6.
Someone else roll 3d6!
>>46251130
>whats the one you made?
This one. You have no idea how many psykers were made with this thing before it was fixed. Also do you have a picture of FW's?
My first model out of a fuckload in my Backlog
>>46251247
Whoops!
>>46251271
Does he have any Legion-specific symbols or marks that prevents other Legions using the miniature?
I never see Hol Beloth being used in any Word Bearers list. Why?
>>46251529
He's not better than a custom Praetor or Zardu Layek if you want MotL. Speaking for myself, he's not very interesting as a character either.
Drago, Drogo, Draigo. Which is the hero the Imperium needs and which is the hero the Imperium deserves.
>>46250294
Keep your disgusting fetishes out of /hhg/.Fuck me for knowing that's a fetish
>>46251934
>Which is the hero the Imperium needs and which is the hero the Imperium deserves.
Ciaphas Cain, hero of the Imperium.
>>46251172
Don't you ever list out 100 results in roman numerals ever again.
>>46251992
I'm sorry. That wasn't the worst thing about that generator though. The psyker tables were.
>>46251992
>not fluently speaking latin and using roman numerals in daily life
+++ (2995pts) +++
+ HQ +
Gahlan Surlak
Legion Praetor [Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade]
+ Troops +
Legion Tactical Squad [Augmented Inductii, Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 18x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist]
Legion Tactical Squad [Exchange their Bolters for a Chainsword or Combat Blade, 18x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla]
··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Power Fist]
Legion Tactical Squad [Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade]
··Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Fist]
+ Elites +
Apothecarion Detachment
··Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour]
The Red Butchers [4x Butcher Terminator]
··Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield]
··The Devoured [2x Chainfist, Second Power Axe]
+ Heavy Support +
Legion Kharybdis Assault Claw
Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield]
Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer [Armoured Ceramite]
+ Lord of War +
The Primarch Angron
··Master of the Legion [Beserker Assault]
Pretty straightforward tactics. Angron rides the pod with 20 dudes with surlak either joining him or the the inducti squad. Preator with butchers.
Spartans charge up, kharybdis drops in behind enemy lines a la hammer and anvil evilness.
Sicaran for the l.o.w targets
All hatred, all re-roll 1's to wound and the inducti are strength 5. Due to the apothecary both large tac squads have the ability to gain an extra attack if they wish too
Thoughts?
>>46250294
>>46252175
>They can't even eat moons.
any idea when prospero is due? I can't find anything more specific than "2016, maybe"
>>46252127
>mfw went to fancy grammar school
>mfw latin was a compulsory subject up to GCSE
>>46252302
By the end of this year or November I think.
>>462523022016maybe
>>46252338
thanks
>>46252356
:^)
>>46251406
Not really at all, one pauldron is sectioned for Hazard Stripes though
Let's do thissssssss. 3000 Chogorian Brotherhood, how's it look?
Praetor: bolt pistol; paragon blade (master-crafted); melta bombs; digital lasers; iron halo; Scimitar Jetbike
Chaplain: artificer armour; Power Glaive; melta bombs; refractor field; jump pack
19 Assault Space Marines: + 1 Assault Sergeant (artificer armour; power Glaive; melta bombs)
6 Jetbike Sky Hunters: melta bombs; Sky Hunter Sergeant (Power Glaive (White Scars only))
6 Jetbike Sky Hunters: melta bombs; Sky Hunter Sergeant (Power Glaive (White Scars only))
6 Jetbike Sky Hunters: melta bombs; Sky Hunter Sergeant (Power Glaive (White Scars only))
8 Terminators: 7× power fist; + 1 Terminator Sergeant (chainfist)
Storm Eagle Assault Gunship: twin-linked multi-melta; 2 twin-linked lascannon; armoured ceramite
Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter: 2× 2 kraken penetrator heavy missiles
3 Javelin Attack Speeders: 3× mutli melta; 3× twin-linked lascannon
Fire Raptor Gunship: reaper autocannon battery
Rolled 1, 4, 3 = 8 (3d6)
>>46251130
>>46250903
>>46252490
Knight Errant [Jump Pack, Nuncio Vox, Sniper rifle, Mastery Lvl 2, character tax] 205pts
WS/BS5 S4 T5 W2 A2 I4 Ld10 2+/4++sv
Warlord trait: Master of Defence (Counter-Attack)
Preternatural reactions: When firing overwatch he has to make an Initiative test, if passed him and his unit fire overwatch at full BS, if failed everything goes as normal.
Dubs pick his name!.
>>46252651
The Knight Errant who's soul is a fusion of everyone who's tired of the dubs pick meme.
Rule question. When a transport vehicle is destroyed by enemy fire and squad inside the vehicle is forced out, can that squad charge an enemy in next turn?
>>46252651
Cuckdaddy Mcbitchboi
>>46252651
KeeZ
>>46253045
after disembarking they immediately make a pinning test, if they pass they are fine to move and act as normal methinks
anyone got a pic of the updated Justaerins?
>>46252651
>Warlord trait: Master of Defence (Counter-Attack)
Why does he have a warlord trait?
>>46252446
>Reading list.
>Aw man this seems really cool. Nothing is touching the ground and everything is flyi-
>Chaplain. With a jump pack.
>A fucking jump pack.
>Terminators. On foot. As in walking. As in not floating several feet off the ground.
>Mfw.
Other than that I like the concept.
>>46253362
Because thats how the table works, basically you make an HQ and roll 3d6 on whatever warlord trait table you want and choose one. Then as the campaign moves on your character gains rolls on some tables (Characteristics and other bonuses) but for the sake of doing this without a campaign I always just roll once on the characteristics and then once on the other table.
>>46250533
Zahariel is a Libby and Epimetheus is both Calibanite and inexperienced. The Nemean Reaver is a non-psyker Terran Veteran.
It does not add up. The glove does not fit, Chewbacca does not live on Endor, and so you must acquit.
>>46253543
Unfortunate concession to melee presence/holding ground.
>>46253630
It's ok, you are a fellow White Scar.
I forgave you already brother.
Are Rotor Cannons really this good against Terminators?
>>46253654
For the Khan!
For what it's worth, the Termies fly in on the Storm Eagle unless I'm horrendously misunderstood the rules.
>>46252651
Tannin the Believer
>>46253563
But there is no reason to bother rolling on the warlord table because they cannot be the warlord.
>>46253695
are plasma cannons really that good?
Figured the last thread would die fast so I'll post one more time. Would appreciate c&c on my Long March list I've been mulling over a while. It also scales up to 3k with Horus and more termies.
2000 Total
Legion Vigilator
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Refractor Field
Maloghurst the Twisted
Legion Tactical Squad
20x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Extra CCW
Artificer Armour, Power Fist
Legion Terminator Squad
Dreadclaw, Chainfist, 4x Combi-Weapon,
3x Lightning Claw, Tartaros Terminator Armour
··Legion Terminator Sergeant
Combi-Weapon, Grenade Harness
Reaver Attack Squad
10x Reavers
Dreadclaw, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, 2x Power Fist, 10x Volkite Charger
Legion Apothecary
Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword
Legion Quad Launcher Support Battery
3x Legion Rapier, Shatter Shells
Deathstorm Drop Pod
Drop Pod Assault, Deathstorm Krak Launchers
Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer
Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade
All combi weapons are plasma. Mal sits with rapiers and can score a WL. Vigilator scouts the blob up, hopefully with enough to outnumber later on.
Thanks guys
2000 points of IH Armoured Breakthrough
So the idea here is that literally everything except for the Medusas and Gorgons have IWND thanks to the Headless Primarch. Most of this shit is Fast. The Sicaran has BS 5.
Castrmen means the Caestus is a BS 5, twin-linked, Melta (lel), and Tank Hunter. Old Iron Handjob is giving it IWND and fixing it up on a 3+ each round, meaning I'm guaranteed to smash my phallus-replacement into the enemy lines.
LoW:
Iron Hand, Primarch of the Iron Hands
HQ:
Master of Armour Sicaran (Armoured Ceramite, Lascannon sponsons)
Elites:
9x Gorgon Terminators (2x Chainfists, 6x Power Fists, Sarge has Cyber-familiar)
Troops:
3x Predators each in their own squadron
Heavy Support:
2x Medusa each in their own squadron
1x Caestus Ass Ram (piloted by Spearhead-Centurion Castrmen Orth)
>>46252651
Standredd the Just
>>46253907
Actually he passes on a 2+ with the servo arm and his natural 3+
>>46253922
We have our winner. No chicken dinners.
>>46253922
Standredd the Just
[Jump Pack, Nuncio Vox, Sniper rifle, Mastery Lvl 2, character tax] 205pts
WS/BS5 S4 T5 W2 A2 I4 Ld10 2+/4++sv
Warlord trait: Master of Defence (Counter-Attack)
Preternatural reactions: When firing overwatch he has to make an Initiative test, if passed him and his unit fire overwatch at full BS, if failed everything goes as normal.
>>46254038
I already ate my dinner.It was fried chicken.
Thinking on a topic from a few threads back, I had an idea for Lucius.
Have him armed with a Power Sword and a Charnabal Sabre, and give Lucius the Muderous Strike rule.
>>46254078
u play salamanders?
>>46254078
I've had chicken a lot this week. Imma changing it up with grilled steak.
>>46254159
>inb4 he can't beat Siggy.
Sounds pretty fun actually. I like it.
>>46250227
Does anybody know the steps for pic related?
It looks nice and simple. I want an Alpha Legion army that doesn't use a shittonne of paint per dudes and still looks nice.
>>46254402
>mfw if you follow that image from right to left itll teach you have to paint IW
>>46254441
>"And finally, finish your model off by basing it in leadbelcher, you utter fucking faggot, and slap yourself for not initially going Iron Warriors."
>>46254402
You fucking faggot this is the fourth or more time you've posted this.
>>46254441
Just increasingly decimate the colour selection for every step.
>>46254586
First time ever actually. I'm quite new to these threads.
>>46254159
I would probably just make him a WS 7 praetor with an AP 2 charnabal sabre. Doesn't need anything else, is far from the best build EC can get for melee HQs but good enough to at least do something in challenges.
>>46254607
Yeah sure, and where did you get the photo from? Because every single time it's been posted, I or someone else has provided the answer, and if you got it somewhere else, that site likely provided that photo in addition to instructions anyway, and I'm pretty sure you got that image off /tg/.
>>46254631
Is he a Praetor-level though? He seems like an absolute embodiment of the 'Champion' Consul type. And I can't think of a reason he'd have Master of the Legion.
Agreed on having an AP2 weapon though. Might be interesting to give him an Attack stat equal to the opponents WS to represent his arrogance.
>>46254732
I did get it of /tg/, these threads in fact, and I kept it because I liked the look of it but I had no interest in going Alpha Legion at the time.
I'm telling the truth man.
>>46254773
So you saved the image and didn't read all the posts linking the post that contained that image.
Tell me again why I should waste my time helping you when I've already posted the recipe over a dozen times?
Spray silver, then use Tamiya Clears. I'll leave it to you to figure out which two Tamiya Clear colors to use since your brain seems like it could use the exercise.
>>46254732
Not the guy who posted the image, but I'm looking for a good guide for my AL coloring. If you know could you help this pleb? Or, give me a link for such guide?
>>46254732
not the same person but I posted this earlier this week . also I never got a real answer everyone says "just look it up" ive tried using washes/glazes to get this to work but it just wont.
>>46254848
Nope I forgot it. Hence me asking here.
But thanks anyway I guess.
>>46254904
You need to use Tamiya Clear, it's thicker than Citadel glazes and more vibrant and saturated.
>>46254890
Spray Leadbelcher or silver of choice
Airbrush Tamiya Clear Blue
Airbrush Tamiya Clear Green
Touch up with Tamiya Clear Blue
FW goes a step further and does several in between steps that use green/blue mixes for zenithal and washing but it's not required.
>>46254758
I would probably make him more akin to a champ except in 40k at least he has a Chaos Lord statline and he is a captain and not a dedicated champion in the actual legion structure.
But yeah the WS idea is good. I would say make him WS 7, in challenges which he always has to issue and accept (even over all other models and characters that have the same sort of rules) his WS is equal to his opponent's up to a maximum of 8 (not that WS 8 would help him fight a primarch or anything). If his challenges were refused or he is in combat with a unit with no characters he is WS 7, if you are challenging Kharn you can actually fight him on equal footing, if you challenge some WS 3 Imperialis Militia guy he will just fuck around at WS 3 during the duel.
>>46253695
Depends, they do make the enemy take a lot of saves but at only S3 I think heavy bolters would end up being better. They're only four shots per guy at S3 versus three shots per guy at S5... against T4 with a 2+ I think rating them at 3/5 is being generous.
>>46254974
Thank you very much sir. God bless you.
> emailing this to myself right now
>>46254974
I don't suppose you have any tips on buying airbrushes and compressors?
>still no vigil storm shield kit
fw pls
>>46254848
Dude, you are a huge faggot.
>>46255253
It's not as simple as buying a brush where people can just say "kolinsky". Ideally you want to pay more for your brush and compressor as that guarantees higher build quality, but you don't really need to pay more than $100 for a brush and $100-200 for a compressor.
Good brands for airbrushes are Iwata and Badger, you know you have a good brush if you pay $100+ and get dual action gravity feed from those brands. I think Paasche is also a popular brand.
Compressors have lots of brands. You mainly want one that can put out enough psi (which is very low for miniatures) and isn't too loud. You also need to make sure it's compatible with your airbrush, which you can do with some simple hoses and connection pieces. Don't forget moisture traps. Compressors tend to be very expensive. Don't expect to find one worth using under $100-150.
If you try to buy a $10-20 chinese brandless airbrush on eBay or one of those $100 all in one compressor airbrush starter kits, you're going to have a bad time. I'm sure it'll be serviceable but the action will be stiff and clunky rather than smooth and enjoyable and it will just be all around low quality, just like using a $1 brush and trying to paint eyeball pupils.
>>46254848
Dude, do you play EC? Because you're acting like a ginormous faggot. I'm literally a homosexual, and when I see how you act even I feel like I'm slacking in acting like I choke on dick.
>>46255356
Not as big as you. You're not the first dipshit who has begged to be spoonfed, BEEN SPOONFED, then complain that you weren't spoonfed nicely enough.
And what exactly have YOU contributed to this discussion, eh faglord?
>>46255490
Shut the fuck up, idiot
>>46255356
>>46255484
No, you're just fucking morons. As evidenced by the flaming homosexual taking the same side as you.
If he got that image, from /tg/ no less, he knows it's posted constantly here. That's how he got it in the first place. Even a complete newfag who never lurks manages to snag that image, because it's so fucking common.
That means either the recipe was given, LIKE IN THIS VERY THREAD WHERE I JUST FUCKING GAVE IT (AND BOY, GEE I WONDER HOW I KNEW THE RECIPE?!) so he should have it already, OR he took it from a thread where the recipe wasn't given to him. Wonder why that happens?
Because just like now, people are fucking fed up with newfags asking to be spoonfed how to paint that shitty AL scheme. Just fucking find it yourself it's easy as shit to find.
>>46254402
A lot of the forgeworld glossy/chrome-like finishes are achieved by airbrushing some kind of clear color (blues and greens for AL, Reds and Oranges for TS) over a metallic basecoat. See there brass scorpion, for example. That's red over silver, where they airbrushed darker veins of brass to create that marbled look.
In case you're curious, if you're looking for a harder/not chrome marble, like the warlord titan's shoulder plates, you give second coat with an airbrush against torn masking tape over a lighter first coat.
Their metals are pretty simple, they do a lot of sponging for larger surface areas and weathering and basic basecoat -> dark ink -> highlight in chipped pattern.
>>46250227
Can you bring thousand sons to horus heresy?
>>46255490
That anon isn't me. I was the guy who posted the picture in the first place.
>>46255484
>>46255356
These two guys are just pointing out that you were kind of being a douchebag there. And this is literally the first time I ever asked for painting advice in these threads.
>>46255490
I don't even play Alpha Legion. I was just observing you sperging the fuck out on some random guy because he's not as hardcore about remembering paint recipes as you think he should be. Enjoy your Friday night yelling at casuals on /tg/.
>>46255666
See your own post >>46255356
The retards always trip eventually while they flail around trying to justify their crying and then you can simply show how stupid and hypocritical they are.
>>46255687
>hey guys I'm new, can I ask-
NO SHUT THE FUCK UP GO AWAY FIND OUT YOURSELF
-Bitchlord the Magnificent, 2k16
>>46255694
Cheers dude appreciate the advice.
The iron hands scheme is kind of inverse. It's greens and browns over metallic, followed by a heavier dark ink/clear black airbrush coat over that, I think.
>>46255712
>implying you and faglords like yourself aren't sperging out in retaliation
At least one side has a good reason to sperg out. Faggots like you shitting up the board. Autism by choice is always better than people like you who don't even realize how stupid and autistic you are.
>>46255699
In November or the end of the year. I was fluffing out a siege company of Sons but from the last thread laying sieges probably isn't something they're adept at.
>>46255687
Or, he could have taken the image, saved it because y'know, it looked neat. Then, he figures "oh man, maybe I'll play AL, that might be fun." and asks for a recipe. Then you show up, blinded by thick meaty megacocks, screaming at the top of your lungs about how he should have saved it.
>>46255694
Oh and do sprays like that Purity Seal spray on GWs website do anything for sheen?
Still very new to this sort of painting.
>>46255836
Not really. You want Testors Dull Coat, but as a word of warning, spray it before bed, set it down, and come back in the morning/afternoon when you wake up. Seriously, make sure that shit is completely dry before handling it.
>>46255809
Or he could have asked in WIP instead of this thread. But keep on acting blind to your own faults.
>>46255731
lmao
>>46255890
Hmm, so, instead of asking in the thread where it's usually talked about, where he found it, and where the game is discussed, and he'd have the highest chance of finding someone who'd know about it, he should ask in /wip/?
>>46255879
Will do thanks man.
>>46255694
Thank you for the advice.
IIRC, Tamiya Clear paints are acrylic; Can they still be used in a same way as GW's or Vallejo's paints? With brush and sorts? Do I need to use special thinner?
>>46255951
Absolutely, best of luck anon.
>>46255971
Taymia is the same deal, and can. They also sell really good Airbrush thinner.
>>46256009
Thanks. Really wish there's a hobby shop nearbt, but damn I'm living too far from civilization.
>>46255791
Well there's the old line about every legion having the ability to perform every type of warfare to some extent. Fluffwise make your Praetor equivalent Sorcerer from the Pyrae Cult. They loved to blow shit up. Crunchwise take a bunch of Medusa's and a Leviathan.
Or did you mean the IF kind of seige warfare and not the IW kind?
>>46255923
Nigga, (you)'s are the easiest shit to edit in MS Paint.
>>46255890
You do realize that this argument involves far more posts than the number of posts had you simply ignored or helped the Alpha legion guy, right?
Is normal Predator (autocannon variant) viable in 30k? About everything seems to have either 3+ armor or 13+ AV.
>>46256251
>still trying this hard.
How's that damage control going? Still convinced everyone else is a retarded faggot and you're just being "autistic by choice?"
>>46256251
Okay dude, it's time to stop posting.
is edge highlighting everything with silver considered poor form? muh battle damage
>>46256331
It's certainly better now that the cannon has been buffed to 4 shots. I might be biased because I love autocannons, but I think it's a good cheap choice.
Did you ever find yourself torn between two legions, /tg/?
How did you make your mind up in the end?
I'm torn between World Eaters and White Scars.
>>46256544
Depends, how fast do you need to go in your life?
>>46256564
I dunno man. See, I think bikes are friggin cool and so is hit and run and all.
But I also love melee like crazy, and the red and white colour scheme in book six got my engines going.
I also love white as you might have noticed.
>>46256544
Paint scheme is a good tie breaker. Whichever one you pick, have fun painting all that white.
White is a good color when pulled off well
>>46256615
Just run WE with outriders or jetbikes maybe.
>>46256685
Hmm maybe.
I guess I should try running both and seeing which playing playing style I enjoy more. Couldn't hurt.
Also, is there any legion that gets like REALLY boring to play with after a while? From looking through the book, Salamanders seem to just be "bring melta and flamer or play a different legion."
>>46256615
Shattered legions! Theyre fast, they run on blood and will be called the White Eaters! Or World Scars..
>>46256222
I guess I meant siege warfare in general, but I will take your advice, Anon. I wanted to make them out to be a siege company of bro-tier 1k Sons.
>>46256800
>Or World Scars..
Now you're reminding me of how I used to call the Word Bearer the World Bearers.
>>46256473
What would be its role then? Popping up a rhino or something?
>>46253695
>Rotor cannons
>More than one star on any field
>muh sides
>Multi-melta
>Armoured Ceramite
>Lascannon
>Flare-shielded AV 14
How viable are grav guns, considering:
a) I'm not an Iron Hands
b) Grav Rapiers aren't relentless
c) Land Speeders are flimsy as fuck
>>46256544
I play two Legions that share similar color scheme
(White Scars, World Eaters, Luna Wolves, etc) (Dark Angels, Iron Hands, Raven Guards, etc)
And for each Marine, I magnetize two sets or arms - body is painted the same, but shoulder pads are painted differently. I swap arms and play different Legions. A cheap trick.
>>46254441
For the final step, roll a D10 and randomly destroy one of your minis with a hammerof Olympia, because they weren't the best they could be.
>>46254758
>Is he a Praetor-level?
He should be a champion, but in the fluff everyone seems to be kicking his ass.
How could he be made?
AP2 at initiative seems toWhite Scars[/spoilers] generic, and a charnabal character would be Saul Tarvitz. Which...meh.
>>46257187
Not withForgebreaker?
>>46256976
Rhinos, and all the tanks with rhino chasis, dreads, even taking potshots at flyers. If you take HB sponsons that's a lot of mid strength shots. If you go for las you're better vs other tanks. And harassing tac squads is always something, even if they still get a save.
>>46257268
Savage
>>46252446
No heavy weapons on the jetbikes?
>>46257113
Not particularly viable in comparison to, say, plasma rifles, due to their Heavy rule. I mean, they could definitely work if you had a table where the enemy could be bottle-necked and then drowned in those difficult terrain templates, but the unit lacks versatility and has to be moved with considerable thought so you don't miss out on that one golden opportunity to fire the grav guns.
At the end of the day though, do you like grav guns? Get some grav guns. Make them work or have fun trying.
I have a full squad of volkite culverin dudes even though running Decapitation Strike I only get one HS slot and it has to be filled with a Raptor for AA. Rule of cool prevails.
>>46257251
I once tried modeling him with a Tyranid Scything Talon... after reading Horus Rising. Shame I wasn't able to craft a nice looking hand that's wielding the claw.
>>46257400
So he did beat the fencing lucha Mega Arachnid?
>>46257343
If a bike jinks then it can't fire a heavy weapon, as I understood it.
>>46257400
That's the coolest thing I've heard of in a while. I'm picturing him with some tyranid bits about his feet, and using a bloody Warrior scythe as a sword.
>>46250227
Are these guys worth taking?
>>46256861
I'd go for it. Not many LA rules affect vehicles so your HS vehicle choices are going to be about equal to any other legion's. Maybe throw in a Heavy Support Squad with a divination librarian or something.
And Anon, all Thousand Sons are bro-tier. Or did you forget that they did nothing wrong?
>>46257251
>but in the fluff everyone seems to be kicking his ass.
Oh are we talking about BL Lucius? If so
WS 4 champion armed with a bolt pistol and combat blade. Special rule "proud for reasons" which lets his opponents reroll any to hit dice (unsuccessful rolls or if they are being a dick successful rolls). If Lucius kills a character in a challenge the controlling player gets D6 victory points for proving that Lucius is supposedly still a threat.
>>46257552
Yes he definitely got hit hard with the Worf effect.
>>46257438
>>46257460
Was inspired by this. Still has some bits left, but can't figure out how should I handle the hands holding the claw/appendage part.
>>46257552
>D6 victory points for proving that Lucius is supposedly still a threat.
Kek.
Anyone has that image of a Raven guard killing Fulgrim, Lucius, Fabulous Bill and whatnot?
>>46257586
I imagined it like pic related, but in a more agressive pose. Bathed in megarachnid ichor - even tho they're the pretty marines, EC shouldn't be scared of getting dirty in order to get shit done.
Shouldn't
>>46257501
>And Anon, all Thousand Sons are bro-tier. Or did you forget that they did nothing wrong?
Oh you. A better question is do Rubric Marines know peace from evil?
>>46250294
I haven't been in /tg/ for a while, what came off that Autek Mor & Kyr Vhalen tag team match?
>>46257473
Short answer: Not really.
Long answer: It really depends on your opponent. FNP is nice, as is Scout, and the ability to take jump packs. They're very good against Mechanicum mainly because they rely on high toughness to compensate for their shitty saves. They can all issue and accept challenges, which is nice. Meteor hammers are strong on the charge, striking first with four attacks. Excoriator chainaxes chew through MEQ bullshit at AP3 and with Shred they're your go-to for eating gay Mechanicum robots. Falax blades are superior to power swords against TEQs. Hook lashes are kind of bad, but can wound MCs thanks to Fleshbane. Just don't use them against Death Guard.
Real talk, though. A unit of Vets with power weapons does the same thing whilst costing less and having Furious Assault.
>>46257602
I thought I had it but turns out I don't. Take this instead.
>>46257782
Horus flees the galaxy and takes the traitor legions to andromeda.
>>46256544
I ended up going with Imperial Fists, but I'm really considering Iron Warriors as my next army. Then I can do Loyalist Iron Warriors, Traitor Iron Warriors, and Shattered Legion IF / IW. God I love sieges. I love being besieged. I love besieging other people. I love pie plates. I love phosphex. I love siege-automata. Shit, I even play Death Korps in 40k.
>>46257896
Are you Dorn and Pert's lovechild?
>>46257978
Basically. I can't tell you how happy I am that psychology effects (pinning, fear, etc.) actually matter in 30k the majority of the time.
>>46257864
It works out, thanks. I'm both of those anons, but I don't understand why the quotes say I'm not.
>>46256544
I was torn for a long time between Death Guard and Iron Warriors
It took after I got my B@C, and doing some test models, that I settled on Death Guard for no other reason then I like their paint scheme better and thought they would stand out better on the table
Pic related
>>46258091
I don't get one thing. Some weapons have Shell shock, which is -1 Ld for Pinning tests...but lack Pinning themselves. How come?
>>46258289
>Those red hands
Are you me?
> Deredeo+Autocannon+Plasma+Missile = $118
> Leviathan+Drill+Claw+Grav= $120
> Medusa = $89
Which one of thses would be the most $- and points- effective choice for an all-around list? For dread I'm considering magnetizing & arm swapping.
>>46258351
They force a pinning test on -1Ld, not force them to take -1Ld on future pinning tests afaik.
>>46258445
Deredeo has a place in any list that enjoys shooting. I'd honestly get a second missile launcher and kitbash the shit out of it to represent the Atomantic Pavise.
Predictions on the next book and on BA & DA special characters made by FW?
>>46258445
I'm not too sure on the Leviathan, a little more (points) and you could have a Knight.
Plasma deredeos are the good shit, and Aiolos missiles could be kitbashed easily. Use Hunter Killers top-mounted on arrays or similar
>>46258289
That whole unit of Big Bosses is great.
>>46258425
>There's room for only one XIV legion, and one Duck Raider
>>46258611
>the Leviathan
I see it as a more balanced, less consuming knight that is easier the put in cover.
Playing versus it (don't own one) it seams OK-good, that being said I am a bit short on heavy anti-tank so it's likely more just OK.
>>46257113
Raven Guard or Alpha Legion Breacher Squad, Infiltrated+Scouted up the table onto an objective and within 18" range of stuff to aim your gravguns at.
They're also ok on Land Speeders.
The Mechanicum customisable Land Raider can take the big brother Grav Cannon, that's not bad.
Can't think of anything else really.
>>46258873
>easier the put in cover.
Why do you need cover? It has a 4++sv, youre not getting a better cover than that.
>>46258873
>>46258998
the idea of a Leviathan trying to find cover in the typical way (putting its back to a wall, crouching behind a tree) is the most hilarious image
What is a good pistol to use in a Kaedes Nex conversion?
Seemingly all these pistol bits from 3rd party companies come in packs of 5/10 and charge a shitload for shipping.
Has Laser Destroyer or Venator too narrow/too focused use to be included in all-around list?
>>46259024
It all depends on the tree. Alien trees, Anon. You could have fire breathing Magnolias on Mississippi in Space, and palm trees that drop coconuts that might as well be melta bombs.
>>46254402
Basecoat Runefang, two layers of Guilliman Blue Glaze, one layer of Waywatcher Green glaze, then another layer of Guilliman Blue. I'm doing that colour scheme now.
I'm looking to add some good infantry-based anti-vehicle shooting to my alpha legion to work with the headhunter rite of war. Here is the conundrum-
>Headhunter RoW says that all vehicles must start in reserve
>On first turn, everything in my opponents army will need to pass leadership in order to shoot my dudes
>Vehicles auto pass this check by way of being vehicles
>What do I add that can be on the table turn 1 that can strike at vehicles before they rip me a new one?
So far my only ideas are running multiple heavy support squadrons with missiles or las, or investing in some laser destroyer or grav-cannon rapier batteries.
>>46258998
He might have some cover increasing shit.
>>46258351
Probably because in 6th barrage weapons caused pinning.
Taking pinning off Sniper Rifles and Barrage weapons was one of the stupidest parts of 7th.
>>46259029
My Moritat uses a pair of WHFB Empire pistols from the hangunner sprue, because I fell in love with this image and wanted something similar.
http://megabitzshop.com/index.php?a=4390
>>46259362
Infiltrating meltagun squads?
>>46259620
Armored ceramite is the big issue. That's why Grav Cannons were one of my first thoughts.
>>46259477
Cypher?
>>46259659
AC really isn't as prevalent as people in this thread like to pretend it is. It's a concern, but honestly a lot of players have just opted to cut it out during the final point squeeze because they haven't faced a melta weapon in a very long time.
Mindgames, son. Bring melta and I guarantee you'll come up against someone that didn't grab AC.
>>46259157
>coconuts that might as well be melta bombs.
I want this to be a thing. Heresy legions fighting on a tropical beach with gigantic palm trees.
nobody pays them any real attention until the moment a coconut drops and cracks, going off like a round from a vindicator
both legions stop what they're doing and flee the beach
>>46259766
Adding AC to your list requires literally nothing but some points shuffling or removing a model or two from the army.
Meanwhile, swapping out all that melta...
>>46259830
Ahola Legion vs Smurfs. I can see it now.
>yfw the marines use the coconuts as weapons
>>46259903
> Coconut in the hole!
Well, Catachan exists in cannon, so I guess this can be perfectly legal fluffwise.
> Someone please make a scenario for Marines utilizing 'Improvised natural weapons.'
>>46258519
Sanguinius, Raldoron, Azkaellon. Maybe the Flesh Tearer
>>46260040
There's no law that says there can't be melta coconuts or fire breathing Magnolias. Nor is there a law that says there can't be flowers connected to the Warp made by the Old Ones. Somewhere there is a hive of Waro Bees that has been influenced by the Imperium and acts every single aspect of the Imperium daily.
>It is the 41st Millennium and there is only honey. For 10,000 years has the Beeperium of Bees stood.
>>46260109
It'd be nice to get Nassir Amit, Fafnir Rahn, and all the other Captains who went on to form the Second Founding Chapters.
>>46260247
>tfw Bee Commissar
>Executing my own beeple for not hugging the hornets to death fast enough
Suffer not the alien to live.
So... why do I need to take anti air? Every thread there's a talk about needing or the efficiency of anti air, but every time aircrafts are discussed, the general answer is that "there's too much anti air, don't bother"
So is it chicken or the egg? are aircrafts worth anything in this game? Are anti airs worth anything?
>>46260247
Warmaster Poohbaddon the Winnie
>>46260388
But we shouldn't have to worry about aliens for we are protected by the greatest chapter of Adpetus Beestartes in existence, the Ultrabees!
>bee commissar
I'm sure some hives would be affected by really zealous commissars and act as his aides by acting like him.
>>46260448
How many times has he tried to take honey from the hive? 13 times already?
>>46260430
I see Caestus and Dreadclaws time to time, and rarely Kharybdis.
>>46259474
If there is something that could cause a squad to duck and cover, it would be your friend's head suddenly exploding.
Well, most things would make me drop to the ground and find cover, but sniper rifles are THE pinning weapon, imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2u_8d8o1oM
>>46260523
Fire Raptors and Dreadclaws made out of upside down drop pods are what I see the most.
That reminds me, why the hell would Kharybdis cost like 2.5 times more than a dreadclaw and 7 times more than a plastic drop pod? From what I see all three of them are not that different size-wise.
>>46260595
nah the kharybdis is pretty big
its still overpriced af but its fw so thats par for the course
>>46260595
>Kharybdis
>not that different size-wise from a drop pod
Nigga you serious
Not just in mass just look at the details on the model.
Drop Pods are simply too cheap. They should not have been using the 40k basis for marine vehicles.
>>46258519
DA get Luther and Corswain, maybe Astelan
BA get Azkaellon and Amit
WS probably get Targutei Yesugei and someone original
>>46250227
>Where Do Your Dudes End Up After the Heresy Edition
On tasgula, fending off the ultramarines and their successors.
I wonder how they liked the screaming hall.
>>46259620
>>46259659
>>46259362
Tank Hunter Veterans with Meltabombs and a Rocket lawn chair?
>>46259157
>>46259830
>>46260040
>>46260247
>Melta Coconuts and Fire Magnolias
Ya'll motherfuckers need some Titan A.E.
>>46260534
It was a real let down too, because it happened in the same edition where pinning prevented units from firing overwatch. You were all like, "Ooh, tactical possibilities." and then GW just pulled the rug right out from under you for no fucking reason at all.
>>46260666
>maybe Astelan
Doubt it, Satan. Astelan talks a good game 10k years after everyone else involved died, but in the HH books he jobs as hard as Lucius. The man is obviously not quite as awesome as he thinks he is.
Also, do you want a Praetor with a chainsword?
>>46260700
8/10 would tap for mana.
>>46260872
> Praetor with a chainsword
> literally Loken portraited in the novel
Loken having a paragon blade is quite nice, but fluffwise feels little weird since he lose to Abby because his ccw couldn't penetrate 2+ armor.
Anyone here use Outrider squads? How do you load them out?
Hey, how big was a talon for the Raven guard? There's a helmet in book 3 that's for a talon leader, but I can't find any mention of how large of a force that is.
>>46261493
Twin Linked Meltas/melta bombs for me since they are fast enough to get behind tanks and such. Although they are really fucking expensive if you do.
>new BA
>>46262095
Get out of here Tau, we don't deal with you until another millenia
>>46260666
>BA get Azkaellon and Amit
Probably Amit and Raldoron
>>46259362
>trying to make the headhunter rite good
>>46258714
>duck raider
>>46252127
Roman numerals are pretty shit. The Arabian system is superior.
>>46262095
Bloody hell
>>46261686
I did some searching and found out this: a Talon equals a company, which is usually 100 marines. Talons are several companies, so several hundred marines.
>>46263377
I wish someone made a list or something of how the Legions divided their men and how they were called, because it gets confusing as fuck sometimes.
Key examples;
You'd expect a grand battalion to be the IW equivalent to the battalion in other legions, but nope, they're the chapters.
Is a Harrowing chapret sized or company sized?
so far there's only been mention of company captains in Imperial Fists but then you've got stuff like "so and so of the 34th Chapter"
>>46261863
Yeah, but you gotta upgrade them with some form of special weapon to get a decent use of them. Giving them just melta bombs for a dirt cheap anti tank seems too risky.
>>46263404
Confusing as hell yeah, most of the legion of course has to have special snow flake names, god dammit.
>>46257978http://archiveofourown.org/works/4178649?view_adult=true
>>46263409
Which is why he said he also upgraded them with TL meltas?
>>46262095
>yfw contemptor dreadnoughts can get the obliterator virus
>the obliterator virus originates from baal
>>46260448
>>46260493
OH BOTHER FOR THE BOTHER GOD
HUNNY FOR THE HUNNY THRONE
RITE OF WAR
Terror Assault
HQ
Sevatar
175
Praevian, Castellax, Darkfire Cannon
210 pts
ELITES
Apothecary
Chainglaive, Artificer Armour
55 pts
x10 Legion Cataphractii Terminators,
Teleportation Transponder, x2 Chain Fists, x8 Power Fists
385 pts
8 Veteran Squad
Artificer Armour, x7 Power Axe, Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, Drop Pod, Furious Charge
310 pts
TROOPS
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, melta bombs, 10 volkite chargers
275
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, melta bombs, 10 volkite chargers
275
x10 Terror Marines
Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, Melta Bombs, 10 Volkite Chargers
275
FAST ATTACK
x10 Night Raptors
Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, x10 Nostraman Chainglaives
365
Heavy Support
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
Missile Launcher
220
Lord of War
Konrad Curze
435 pts
Total: 3000 pts
Konrad goes with Raptors, Sevatar goes in drop pod with vets and apothecary.
If I'm not really interested in the characters, termis or dred, is B@C really worth it? Would be getting it for the plastic Mk IV tacticals, but feel it's probably a better deal to just wait for them to appear as a standalone box (looking at the current price of 40k tacticals).
>>46263684
try and find some people selling off the tacticals, alternatively, buy the box and ebay the rest.
>>46263684
You can sell the stuff you don't want.
>>46250227
Man I can't wait until my World Eaters can get Daemon support.
The mental image of my Bloodthirster sweeping marines gets me rock hard. Coming from 40k, it's always pissed me off that I can't sweep marines.
Has anyone tried a duel inferno pistol bangel moritat.
Was it fun?
>>46263713
The traitor blood angel in our campaign tried it. Was surprisingly underwhleming given the 6" range on the pistols
>>46260377
If Amit isn't in the book imma stab Alan Bligh
>>46258519
They've got tons of stuff to cover and I think they'll probably smash some stuff together.
Shadow Crusade+Thramas I'm guessing, and maybe Signus+Chondax
>>46250227
How do you apply Blood for the Blood God to models without getting the look of "I like slathering red goo on myself?"
It's for my World Eaters. I want them fairly drenched in gore.
>>46264170
1.) Take brush, dip in paint
2.) Wipe most of it back into the pot, you don't want the brush drenched, but a fair ammount on it.
3.) Place the model you want gored up, on some paper, or a plastic sheet
4.) Slam the handle of the brush on the edge of a desk or table, or your hand towards the model. This will give it a random, splattered look
So how far will FW go after the Siege of Terra before they finish the series?
>>46264212
>finish
>>46263713
What about dual hand Flamers moritat?
>>46264222
Nah there's only so much they can milk.
>>46264212
They've said they want to do the scouring, which makes sense, seeing as they've already started early
I'd like to add some rapiers to my legion, was looking at the grav ones to deal with spartans. Are they any good at that?
>>46264205
Tah hun!
>>46263637
The only potential problem I can think of is the pod with Sev and friends. It's very expensive and in your only pod. Against an army with a strong interceptor presence (read: a deredeo) you might get ass blasted before you can deploy. Also the regular drop pod will leave you exposed for a turn before you can charge. Having said that you could just drop it behind cover and pick up an objective turn 1 and set up a nasty charge for turn 2.
The most frustrating thing about Sevatar is fitting him into a Terror Assault list, but I think yours is pretty good.
I'd drop some fists for axes and try to squeeze some points for combi-weapons on your termies so they don't have to sit around doing nothing on the turn they come in.
>>46264170
A good way that I found to get that "meaty" gore in chain weapons is as follows:
>Get a brush you dont care about
>Mix about 1:1 of a dark red and a very light red with 1:2 Elmer's to paint with some sand (amount depending on use, ie very heavy for hacked up models on scenic bases to represent their guts spilling out)
>Find place on model where gore would accumulate, like where chains on chain weapons spin into there housings
>Daub some into that recces then steak (quickly so much doesn't accumulate) along the weapon in direction it would be swung
Don't overdo it, but it can give weapons a gross meaty look, highlight or wash as you see fit
>>46259659
If the enemy puts AC on more than like, 2 vehicles, you're winning the points trade there.
Especially when you can just use a saboteur to blow up said vehicle for the same price as all his AC upgrades
>>46263637
>>46264359
Also I'd be curious to see how your Raptors work out in that configuration. I see most people try and leave at least 3 models with no upgrades to use as sacrificial wounds, maybe more if it's escorting a fire magnet like Kurze. But on the other hand Kurze confers stealth and shrouded. On turn 1 you will have a 2+ cover save from that and the 5+ From the Shadows rule. Depending on how you've already modeled your dudes I might run 2 or 3 naked and spend the points on either flamers or some more combi-weapons for your termies. Either way this unit will be a CC nightmare.
>>46259133
Venator sicaran? FUG no. It's awesome always.
Venator vindicator laser destroyer? That's to taste
>>46258611
Legions can't take Knights except as allies
Flamers or melta on night raptors?
>>46264224
>>46262095
The megadakka has shown its face.
>>46263507
>warm and fuzzy feelings
>>46264832
Flamers will always be good vs the kinds of targets you will want them to go after. If your meta has a lot of rhinos melta would be great at busting open that thin candy shell. Alternatively if you are running lots of chainglaives melta could make the unit into a decent anti-teq force, by helping you outnumber them so you'll rend on 5+ from TfM.
>>46264755
Sweet thanks bro. I'll try it out on my 40k practice marines.
