>RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
Threadly Question:
What is the card that bring's you piss to the boil and raises your sodium count the most? What did you add to your decks to hate that out?
For the guy in the last thread
>>46194764
>A quick way to tell if I am having fun during a game is to see how much I talk.
Too true. When I get the "Party Pod", which is just me and couple of other guys just dicking around, you can tell everyone's having so much fun.
>"Uh... Go to my attack step"
>"COUNTER!"
>"Sir, that is an illegal action! Judge!"
>"Judge!"
>"Oh wait, I'm the judge."
>"Judge, I'd like to call out myself as a cheater!"
>"Oh, okay then, you either are banned or take 6"
>"HMMMMMMMMM..." *shuffle cards in hand like a retard* "I'll take the six"
>"alright pass turn"
>"This is so stupid"
>"Alright Primorial at twenty"
>"AHHHHHHH"
>"AHHHHHHHH"
>"AHHHHHH"
>"OH, but now he has infect"
>"That's alot of infect!"
>"AHHHHHH"
>"AHHHHHHH"
>"And swing at you sir"
>"AHHHHHHHhhhh, Go for the Throat"
>"... huh, well then... Alight then. How about another Hydra"
>"AHHHH-"
It's so stupid I love it
>>46194918
>Do you really think kiki-jiki/splinter is worth taking out?
Yes, you don't have enough support for it, for when you don't combo off.
Also, like >>46195010 said, every blue deck should have Frantic Search. It's just a free loot to sculpt your hand like crazy. Also grab a lightning greaves, because someone would love to spike your commander.
Also add Sphinx of the Final Word for control matchups, so you don't have to worry about your combos too much.
POST COMMANDERS!!!
also
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
>FAV MONO?
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
>>46195338
>Favorite
Muzzio was fun. I love frantically digging deeper and deeper in my deck every turn for answers
>Most Expensive
Gotta say combo is at about $350 and works perfectly for me.
>>46195592
you gotta list for banana king? been thinking about brewin him up, even though i already have 13 edh decks...i should probably disassemble a half dozen or so
>>46195319
If anyone could give me advice on my melek combo deck I'd greatly appreciate it.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-03-16-izzet-edh/
Also thanks to everyone who gave me advice in the last thread, I feel like what I have now is a lot better.
>>46195319
Thanks, I took a lot of what you said into consideration.
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
Leaning towards Kruphix or Teysa.
>FAV MONO?
Black.
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Rakdos , Gruul, Selesnya.
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Orzhov, Simic, Izzet.
>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
Mono-Black, which is under $150. Right now most of my decks are under $100.
>>46195680
What I list is what I've got and it works pretty well. Doesn't get boring from all the variance, but it's consistent for leveling out in the early game and comboing off in the late game.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-winning-meme/
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
I haven't been playing commander for very long, so my favorite commander is Daretti, the only one I have a full deck for.
>FAV MONO?
Blue
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Dimir
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Izzet
Friendly reminder that if you're going to post your generals you might as well post pictures instead of awful white backgrounds with the cards and some bad attempts to sound clever.
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
Karador, by far and wide. Fuckin' love that grindy value game.
>FAV MONO?
Zo-Zu or Iname, depending on how I feel that day. Either i just want to be a nuisance or I'll go full creature control mode. Can't spell anti-fun without fun right?
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Gruul and for a commander I like to play one of my friends' Ulasht deck.
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Golgari because graveyard shenanigans.
>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
Easily Karador with about 1,8 - 2k$ worth of cards in it. Foils be expensive man...
>>46195743
Jhoira is a qt
>>46195338
I don't have a outright hated card yet but for a couple of games I ran a few anti draw and only one spell per turn effects to shut down my friend's niv mizzet
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
I like both but Nahiri was my first and I put a lot of effort into her. Still gotta get some stuff for Meren like fliplili and maybe Kalitas
>FAV MONO?
Nahiri, Daretti looks cool tho.
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Azorius or Gruul
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Orzhov or Golgari
>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
Nahiri
diddling with a decklist for Mina and Denn
Apparently this legendary is being spoiled tomorrow, can I get some predictions to what it'll be like?
>>46195992
She and Blue Braids go good together.
>>46196162
Discard for benefits commander, most likely
What do you guys think? Ignore the edges. Beat up condition.
>>46196219
How the fuck did you damage a card that isn't even six months old yet?
>>46196248
Bought it from my lgs for .30c in this condition.
Nowhere else in Madison WI had a daxos the returned single in stock, as they don't carry commander singles. The only one I could find was in a damaged binder.
I didn't want to waste 5$ on shipping by buying one card online, and I didn't want to waste 35-40$ on the precon.
Need ideas or advice for my deck. Vish Kal is the current general.
http://www.mtgvault.com/phobes365/decks/bw-edh/
>>46196219
Cute
>>46196405
It looks like a standard goodstuff.dec
I don't see much if any actual interactions with the general and the rest of the deck.
Is there any direction you want to take the deck in specifically?
I'm also running an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck that's fucking stupid but I killed someone with it once in a four player game.
1x Omnath
1x Lost in the Woods
98x Forest
>>46196405
I bet your playgroup despises playing this deck, it looks so...
I can't find the word, it's somewhere between oppressive and anti-fun. English is not my first language.
>>46196471
Get Abundance nigga.
>>46196471
If you like meme decks (not necessary a bad thing! ) try ashling the pilgrim and 99 mountains.
Shit is fun.
>>46196274
>.30c
Why would a store sell a card for less than a third of a cent? Your story doesn't add up. Post additional evidence immediately.
>>46196619
He wrote 30 cents oddly you doofus. Quit being needlessly antagonistic.
>>46196619
>Why would a store sell a card for less than a third of a cent?
Do you mean a third of a dollar?
the damaged binders are used when the store purchases cards in bulk for something around 10 cents per 100 cards, and cards are worth something, but are too damaged to sell at the normal near mint conditioning. Didn't want to throw away a playable card, so they put it in the damaged binder.
Other cards in the damaged binder have sharpie on them, or stamps, or tears/abrasion, rounded corners.
I've gotten pic related for around .50c
Is that enough info? I can provide more if you'd like.
>>46196687
>it's Platinum Anon
Oh nevermind.
For future reference Daxos is a dollar on tcgplayer.
>>46196553
>Lost in the Woods on field
>Someone swings at me for lethal
>Reveal top card of my library
>Abundance
>Lose
They are no longer lost in the woods as soon as I have a card in my library other than a forest.
>>46196589
I do enjoy fun decks more than effective decks.
Darien is centered around rube goldberg machines that make me shit soldiers and gain life instead of take damage, and is filled with self-pingers and all-player-pinger artifacts and shit.
Kraj is filled to the brim with a shitload of 3-5 activated ability combos that are deadly but no 2 card combos because it's boring for me and everyone else. I love jankiness.
Lorthos is literally just ocean-related cards and nothing else. Large sea monsters, coral reef, pirate ships, water creatures, whirlpools and waves. Hilariously enough I win with it way more often than other decks.
>>46196923
You're retarded.
>>46196868
I know , I already mentioned I bought it for 30 cents, and that I didn't want to buy online because shipping would kick up the total cost of my 1 card cart buy $5 or so.
But do you want to comment on the actual focus of my post or... ?
>>46196923
does your group run zero enchantment removal?
>>46196589
Got any more meme decks that are relatively cheap to put together and fun?
>>46197046
Have you ever even used tcgplayer? Do yiu know what it is? It would not charge you five dollar shipping you poor nigger.
>>46197108
Holy fuck the hostility, it's like I'm playing grand Arbiter Augustin IV in a 4player edh freeforall.
And I'm not poor, but I like to efficiently use the money I allot towards my hobby. Is that a bad thing? I mainly buy off of troll and toad, so I actually don't use tcgplayer as my primary supplier.
And of course I know what tcgplayer is.
By the way you're phrasing your replies, it almost sounds like you're some sort of MTG online supplier elitist. I can't believe I'm even having this conversation to be honest, I didn't expect someone to be judging me on anMongolian basket weaving forum
>>46196467
>>46196475
The deck is my first attempt at creating a control deck in EDH with tempo in mind. The deck is grindy by design with a big beater as a finish, nothing flashy other than necropotence.
My playgroup is extremely competitive. We've actually had a couple instances of people betting their decks in matches. Honestly, I think the power level might be a bit too low actually and was hoping for ideas on holes in the strategy or better choices on cards I'm using.
>>46197092
I like kami of the crescent moon turbostasis. You play howling mine, kami, and font of mythos, thrive in good politics, wait for opponents to kill each other, and then drop winter orb, static orb, stasis, etc and attempt to win by forcing them to draw to death or through lab man/leveler.
It recently won a 4 hour 5 man game, I ended up with 147 life and 96 cards in library
>>46197257
Forsaken City is a must have in that deck. Feeds Stasis and lets you cycle dead cards, generally islands.
>>46196687
You touched up that Platinum Angel later, right? Stuff of nightmares.
>>46197342
Ooh, I like that card.
So far, the all stars of the deck are:
Stasis
Frozen aether
Forced fruition
Meekstone
Static orb/winter orb
Rising waters
Pendrell mists
Horn of greed
Meishen, the minds cage
Dream halls
Words of wind,
Sunder, evac, turbulent dreams, cyclonic rift
Jushi apprentice
Anvil of bogarden(idk spelling), windfall, haves archivist, library of leng.
Finally, vensers journal
>>46197365
Yeah. That was my first attempt at altering.
Pic related, only open if you have a strong stomach.
I also posted the hypno alter on karlov, and the ditto lazav. I think I'm slowly improving, but progress is slow
>>46197379
not either of the anons you've been talking to, but perhaps elixir of immortality?
>>46197379
*jace's archivist
Fucking auto correct on mobile
>>46197379
*jace's archivist
Fucking auto correct on mobile
>>46197406
I'm running feldons cane over elixir, but will replace with kozilek the butcher when I buy another eventually.
Never plan on actually casting koz, only utilizing his graveyard shuffle ability
>>46197379
sounds like you have the entire trinket mage package in there, right?
>>46197487
To be honest, no. I'm assuming that's a combo?
I don't run many crazy combos, the only use I can see for trinket mage in this deck is to grab spellbook, meekstone, library of leng, or ivory tower. What is the "entire trinket mage package"?
>>46197516
Trinket Mage package is a suite of cheap response rocks that can basically fix any problem you're currently having. Need a big mana boost? Sol Ring. Need color? Jeweled Amulet/Chrome Mox/Mox Opal/etc. Need their yard gone? Relic/Tormod's. Need Land? Fatty Hate? Token Hate? Big creature a problem? Planeswalker online? There's a 0-1 mana artifact for that.
Seriously, check gatherer for artifacts trinket mage can tutor up, you'll be surprised.
>>46197553
Oooooh, I understand. I'll take a peek.
The thing is, I get to the point where either I force politics on anyone with a board state I'm afraid of, or I bounce what they're threatening me with at instant speed (or I threaten to).
Forbid has countered literally 15 spells in one game, from one blue player, with arcane Lab on the field.
Turbulent dreams Might be my favorite though. Watching the face of a superfriends narset player as 6 walkers get bounced for 2 mana (and discarding 6 cards, a small price in this deck) and holding up mana for counterspells in response. That player's transgressions against me sets an example for the rest of the table. That feeling when they can do nothing to stop dream halls, sunder, evac, and windfall in one turn is priceless
>>46197621
Ah, so hard control then? Mind over Matter in there?
>>46197621
>>46197553
Did I mention narset can't untap due to meekstone while all this is happening? I'm telling you, kami of the crescent moon turbo stasis is a blast to run
>>46197639
I've been considering it, it's on my buy list next to back to basics and old koz (solely for graveyard shuffle ability)
>>46197061
Of course not. I've never won with that deck.
>>46197639
Would mind over matter + temple bell be an infinite draw combo for the entire table?
>>46197694
Yes, pretty much.
>>46197708
Going to buy a mind over matter tomorrow, and a foiled temple bell
>>46197659
I have built that deck and actually won a single game due to complete fuckery from everyone else. That being said, do you actually play something that boring often? The novelty for me wore off incredibly quick.
>>46197719
No, usually I play one of my other three. I play Omnath when I'm bored because I'm at a table with a hyper-competitive meta just to completely grind against it. I'm used to playgroups who use EDH as an excuse to try to win with jank and I love tables like that. If I wanted to make a perfect machine of a deck I'd play boring straightforward commanders or just play a different format.
What does m/tg/ think of Corpse Dance? With a sac outlet it is pretty much Recurring Nightmare in disguise. How come I haven't seen this card in dozens of decklists?
I play Teneb Rock/Reanimator (mostly because my new playgroup is a bunch of sissys that ban any form of tutoring, MLD, hardlocks, praetors, you name it) and can't or shouldn't have the goodness that Karador provides.
>>46197750
5 mana a turn to repeatedly cast one creature that you can't choose is not good. In response, your opponents can either kill your yard, kill a creature on board, or counter the spell outright, leaving at least three avenues of counterplay. It's not as good as you think, anon.
Too big for reanimator, they want cheap spells like reanimate, animate dead, exhume, and so on, and it's too small an effect for the mana in tempo. Control doesn't usually want creatures that don't stick around for only a turn at a time, so you're left with combo which just has better options.
So yeah i am that one fucking guy.
>>46195957
>raveyard has caught on
fuck yeah
>>46197795
Cheap one shot style effects are neat, but almost irrelevant since there is no such thing as Entomb, Buried Alive or SOTF in this meta. Counterspells are scarce, graveyard hate is close to non-existent. My meta is even more of a hugbox than the store banlist that banned Reliquary Tower.
What combo options do you speak of? Remember, Karmic Guide + Reveillark + Saffi Eriksdottir is out of the question.
>>46197922
I can't actually go through the list of every combo you can include in EDH . . .
Is there a difference between playing for fun and playing to win?
Does anyone have a list of Blue steal/copy cards? Looking to build a thieving deck
>>46198168
Check this shit out;
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shima-shima-the-cutest-cosplayer/
This deck should give you plenty of ideas.
>>46195957
Zo-zu list?
My meta has been getting pretty ramp heavy lately
>>46195319
You and I would have fun in a group
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
Kazuul. He's so out of red's usual realm and no one expects him
>FAV MONO?
Look at my generals and tell me what you think
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Rakdos
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Izzet
>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
Probably Godo, mainly because of the swords
>>46195338
>>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
Narset
>>FAV MONO?
White
>>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Azorius
>>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
Izzet or Boros
>>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
Damia, with Narset in a close second. Foils are love. Foils are life.
>>46198581
what's stalling those WIP? You been posting the same shit everytime waiting to improve your decks, but what's really stopping you
>>46198668
New job, honestly. I don't get to play with one of my groups as much so that's less testing. Marath is to the point where I'm completely satisfied with it. Marchesa is on the back burner for now. In all reality, Anafenza is the only true work in progress.
>>46198751
Yeah, Marchesa can be a bit pricey for her shit.
>>46198386
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/zo-fuck-you-the-punisher/
there you go. It's a deck I made just to be a nuisance and as such I do not ever intend to win with it. Sure I get the occasional surprise buttsex win with things like molten psyche and stuff but my main goal is shooting damage everywhere.
Has anyone ever run Nix in EDH for a laugh? Super niche counterspells are my fave.
>>46197750
Running cards that care about graveyard order does not make me happy. No one keeps that shit organized in casual play.
>>46198785
Yeah, I'm also becoming disenchanted with the quest of all 10 three color decks. I kinda want a Mardu deck, but don't want to make just another Kaalia deck.
speaking of jank-ass bullshit,
Kaldratron plus Ashnod's Altar makes infinite mana, i realized
>>46199562
one hilarious combo I found out about was basalt monolith + power artifact
>>46196162
Underwhelming and/or garbage
>>46199618
yeah but that's not jank, just bullshit
doing it with kaldra also triggers things that check creatures entering the battlefield or dying, like cathar's crusade or blood artist
Reposting once more, for the delight of all those ITT.
>Also, any card that grants an extra turn is exiled and cannot be retrieved nor cast for again by any player. Players may not take more than two turns in a row.
>Players will be broken down into groups of 4-6 players. Only on rare occasions (once or twice a year) do players participate in one-on-one games.
>No card or ability can be activated, nor can any spell be played, nor any ability triggered, more than three times in a turn before turn 8. After turn eight, it can be done up to four times. Players can’t take more than two consecutive turns.
>After the 12th turn of the table, there is no limitation. These rules exist to limit combos to a point and to keep Monday nights fun.
>Players are encouraged to relax and enjoy themselves. This is Magic at its most casual level. Everyone should focus on enjoying themselves. Everyone gets to play their cards as they choose. Sure there will be some table politics, but keep them to a minimum. You’re not playing for high stakes here.
>If a player wins a pod, they MAY NOT play that deck the following week.
http://thegamecloset.com/wp/events?entry=142
>>46199846
>Everything wrong with EDH players: the post
It's like they want every game to turn into a 3 hour long ramp-fest circle jerk.
>>46199846
This honestly does not bother me.
I have a lot of arbitrary restrictions and biases too.
>>46197805
Because you think t2-3 commanders are competitive?
>>46199976
So do I, everyone has things they hate in the format, but building a banlist like this is pure insanity. It's like whenever something wins, they ban it. How the fuck do they even justify banning Sigarda, Host of Herons as a Commander? In what world does that make sense? Did she win one too many games and people couldn't be assed to include actual counters to that card? And motherfucking Reliquary Tower? What's the story here? If the anon who goes at that LGS is still around, I need to know that story.
get brewing
>>46200028
I hate Sigarda. Lots of casuals do. I hate having to wrath every turn. And with ramp, they can just keep casting her.
I get that she doesn't seem like much compared to most of these or anything truly degenerate, but she's a fucking bitch, trust me.
>>46200082
Easy. I have a Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck. He makes the cut. That's about it.
>>46198376
Not quite what I had in mind since it's more copy than steal...
But fucking hillairious
>>46200082
PRAISE THE NEW FROG OVERLORD!
First deck without R I'll build, second without U after Angry Omnath. Also first graveyard shenanigans deck I'll build.
>>46200028
I'm the guy who goes there but I've never been a part of their EDH groups since I am/was a Standardbabby.
I can tell you based on what I saw during the last FNM (where the had a concurrent EDH "tournament") that it seems like the majority of the players run blue. I suspect that this banlist is because of players whining, not because the staff really cares about competitive diversity.
>>46199846
>Also, any card that grants an extra turn is exiled and cannot be retrieved nor cast for again by any player. Players may not take more than two turns in a row.
Can I get around this rule with Isochron/Final Fortune/Sundial combo?
>No card or ability can be activated, nor can any spell be played, nor any ability triggered, more than three times in a turn before turn 8
Godo+Blade of Selves triggers at least 4 times every turn. Whoops
>If a player wins a pod, they MAY NOT play that deck the following week.
TRIGGERED
FUCK
>>46195338
I'm always embarrassed to post this because of the decks in the bottom right.
>Favorite: Daretti
>Fav mono: Daretti
>Fav allied: Ephara
>Fav enemy: Aurelia
>Most expensive: Probably Anafenza, around 400$.
>>46200082
Jesus Christ that could be a ton of card draw. Life from the loam here I come.
>>46200278
Holy hell that is a lot of draw
>>46200278
Think of all the RETRACE and DREDGE triggers. THE TRIGGERS, THE TRIGGERS!
>>46200082
It took me a minute to understand how stupid this can get. Nice card, too bad I have no deck to throw it in.
>>46200292
>crucible of worlds
>crop rotation
>fetch lands
>that sac lands give creatures shroud dude
>hitting yourself with grind effects
>Titania
such a phenomenal amount of gass on a GB commander
>>46200082
I love it.
Gitrog Monster is the best creature.
He can't do any wrong and is the most awesome commander these colors have ever seen.
All hail the Gitrog Monster.
>>46200082
>>46200292
>>46200278
>>46200318
Fuck. I am retarded, I assumed it said "Once per turn, if a land blah blah blah, draw a card". I didn't think it just drew your whole fucking deck.
>>46200352
I for one welcome our new giant horror frog overlords!
I cant decide if I should put in Ajani Goldmane or OGW Nissa. Nissa seems a little better in general, while Ajani has a few nice boni on his abilities
>>46200082
step 1: buy Crucible
step 2: don't buy crucible because it's $60
step 3: shove it into Damia and refocus for Loam/Retrace
>>46200412
I'd suggest Craterhoof
>>46200082
>potentially gigantic amount of draw from a single Ruination or Armageddon
Good gravy
>>46200432
Alternatively you can talk with your playgroup and just proxy Crucible. You need to see the truth in His eyes, brother. All is sacrifice.
>>46200082
>Have Titania deck, most favorite.
>Have Crucible, Scapeshift, etc
>This now exists
Fuck. I really like this card. I guess I'll just slap a lot of tutors to get Titania out and have this guy in the helm.
>>46200082
Time to start harvesting those worms boys
>>46200519
"whenever one or more lands"
>>46200764
Whoops, you're right. That would have been pretty busted
Still good value
>>46200082
Time to get on Mr Toad's Wild Ride. I might even try to run this in modern using raven's crime.
>>46200337
>fetch lands
It says "sacrifice unless you sacrifice a land". Can you sac a fetch during your upkeep to satisfy that condition, or do you have to sac a land to him specifically?
>>46200082
Please be real, I think my titania deck is going to be GB now
>>46200851
You need to sac it with his effect.
>>46200851
No, two separate effects/triggers
>>46200720
>>46200806
>>46200337
This deck basicly builds itself
The stuff you already mentioned, retrace stuff, cycling lands, wasteland stripland etc etc... exploration, life from the loam, a lot of land tutors... man this sounds so sweet, sadly im already in progress of building a deck
Hope it's cool if I post asking for help. Not sure where else to go with the deck without swapping to Derevi and going stasis. Trying to avoid that, really...
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenara-un-aggro/
>>46199846
My LGS has a group of players like this. Annoying cunts.
>>46200971
As long as it turns out to not be one of the decks that builds itself and turns out to be shit or even worse , so good that people avoid building it a la narset
>>46195291
>What is the card that bring's you piss to the boil and raises your sodium count the most?
There's someone in my playgroup who is a nice guy but he loves to take extra turns with shit like Time Stretch and Lighthouse Chronologist. His decks are really durdly already, so he typically ends up taking 2 to 4 turns in a row where he does nothing of consequence and everyone else just sits there bored.
>What did you add to your decks to hate that out?
Ugin's Nexus.
>>46195338
>FAVORITE COMMANDER?
Out of these? Omnath, I guess.
>FAV MONO?
Green
>FAV ALLIED COLORS?
Red/Green
>FAV ENEMY COLORS?
White/Black
>>MOST EXPENSIVE DECK?
$420
>>46199846
>tfw you have an amazing playgroup that meets weekly
>tfw no one gets salty
>tfw everyone has fun
>tfw there are people in this thread who will never know such joys
Adopt an Anon program when?
>>46200432
>tfw have a judge foil
>>46200082
Only expensive, always-sold-out cards are good with this as commander. That is just terrible. I want to like it, but I can't. If you want to play this correctly, you'll need all those fetches, life from the loam and above all, crucible. There are no budget options that come even close.Zuran Orb is pretty good in this
>>46201221
>there are no budget options
Better fire up that old printer and get proxy-ing.
>>46201272
Would you play with someone proxying Crucible? I would, there is no budget replacement card for it. There always should be budget replacement cards for expensive cards in my opinion.
>>46200082
this screams "pushed for EDH" to me like nothing else
I mean I don't mind them supporting EDH, but I have a strange feeling when they do it with mythics in regular products
>>46200082
Just gonna chuck him into meren and see what happens.
>>46201335
I would, but I don't really care if people proxy. I don't do it, because I'm autistic and enjoy the collecting aspect of CCGs, but I don't mind if other folks want to.
>>46201221
Eh, fuck Crucible. I'll use him in self mill and be pleased as punch. The last thing I need is the compulsion to Stripe Mine people out of the game.
>>46201378
Loosing all your lands and not having to tools to find more, that's what happens.
>>46201623
Crucible of Worlds bruh
>>46201114
I know right?
>EDH night at FLGS
>everyone runs what they want to run
>We pox three times in a single game where hivemind is out
>No one gets salty
It's paradise to play with people who don't get ass blasted. The only deck we'll hate off the table is Nekusar.
>>46201737
Nekusar of all decks?
>>46199452
Know a guy who made, Zurgo field wipe kill spell deck and uses zurgo as a finisher.
>>46196687
You can get quite the deals on those things, only 150$ for this beauty
>>46201737
Nekusar is the only commander I have ever gotten salty over. Counter, combo, control, destroy my lands, hose my color, be non interactive, take multiple turns all you want. But Nekusar... Man, that guy is such a cunt. I cry a little on the inside every time I see someone use him.
>>46201938
What kind of sadistic, uncaring fuck would let this happen to this kind of card?
>>46201221
Loams are only $7, and it fits great in Sidisi and Tasigur even without slapping in every other goodstuff to get the complete value out of it. I'm gonna throw one in my Bananaman as soon as I can.
More fun cards for glorious toad.
>>46201366
Also it is a little more fun to brew when it doesn't feel like the card was made specifically to do what you are doing with it.
Like this basically just builds itself. It should be fun, but it is missing the building aspect which is fun too.
Frogitrog Monster is so good but what makes him any more legendary than craterhoof or ludvic's abomination? I was hoping the story would have a bigger twist than "it's hypno toad", but oh well I guess. I didn't want a devil or wolf legend any how, who does?
>>46201938
>so damage it's unplayable
Why would anyone spend more than 1$ on this shit?
>>46201938
I'm not sure I could spend $150 on such shredded cardstock, no matter what the ink printed on it claimed it to be. It's still paper, and when it looks that bad? No, man.
>>46201938
So you're telling me I could make a cheap and shitty proxy of an original dual land, tear the damn thing to fucking shreds and then sell it for "only" 150€ with nobody noticing it's fake, since it looks that fucking bad already?
>>46202514
Thats what im hearing here as well. You could even make it really bad, where the entire area is slightly burnt and blame any of this rosetta pattern shit on the damage
>>46202043
a kid?
>changing my Sharuum deck to be focused on combos
Am I a bad person? I love feeling like the most powerful player when I play with my waifu deck. I've added some cantrips, and I'm going to shell out for Intuition and Demonic Tutor. The combos I'm going for are:
Basalt + Rings + Goblin Cannon, but there are plenty of ways to abuse infinite mana I think I can also add Doubling Cube + Sages, but it needs way more mana to start going.
Sword of the Meek + Foundry
Time Sieve + Thopter Assembly
Sharuum + Sculpting Steel or Phyrexian Metamorph
What other card draw/tutors should I add? Am I going for way too many combos?
>>46195338
I thinkWorldslayerisautowinwith newdric if you have some indestructible stuff out.
>>46202043
It has probably been in a damp basement / loft for 20 years. That's just what happens over time.
>>46201701
>running cards that only synergize with one other card in your deck.
You haven't been playing very long have you.
Gitrog is extremely build around. He is not goodstuff. You can't just stuff him in any G/B/X deck and expect him to go off.
>>46200082
>>46202742
We can do better
>>46202742
>>46202811
GB storm possible?
>>46202811
They both have their merits. Rain can be played to combo out on an opponent's turn and can be harder to interact with.
Am I an asshole for playing Scion with the OKO? I think it's fine in multiplayer because you can't renew it (without gurzigost) so it's only useful once and it makes you a target. But i understand it's probably a feelbad to get OKOd on turn 5-6 and then everyone else is still playing for another 10 turns.
Is the consensus that I'm a dick and should take Moltensteel out, or nah?
>>46202811
This is starting to sound like a hilarious Jund deck with Titania, Gitrog, and Angry Omnath.
>>46200432
Got my Crucible while it was cheap for Azusa, best investment ever.
>>46202906
sometimes you just need a player to die
no different than a chucklefuck who cheats in blightsteel and gives it haste
>>46202880
Wouldn't that be a sight to see.
>>46197805
you seem ok
>>46200082
this guy looks really interesting
>>46201335
If you're just playing with friends, proxying is a fun way to let full creative force take form between you guys
>>46201114
I know that feel
>>46202906
This is why I'll never build a voltron deck. It's so awkward to get knocked out on turn 5 for arbitrary reasons only to see the voltron deck peter out and get stomped by the other decks once they stabilize.
You either build a tuned voltron deck that can fuck the table in 3 consecutive turns or you're just playing "which one of you is loosing this game with me".
THIS IS MY ONLY DECK
HOW DO I IMPROVE IT
HELP ME PLEASE
>>46203117
you might want to add a few more cards.
What are some fun, wacky blue cards?
I'm making a deck that basically just causes chaos and suffering on the board without any real win condition, like Winter's Orb or Perplexing Chimera.
>>46203129
PLS MAN
HOW DO I PLAY THIS HERO
>>46203040
>full creative force
I feel like it's the complete opposite. Proxying is the best way for every deck to look the same. Real creative deckbuilding happens when you can't get all the obviously best staples and auto-includes and have to find budget alternatives and/or work with the cards you have on hand. Throwing proxies into the mix just drastically increases the number of auto-includes you have to run.
>>46203180
pendrell mists, zur's weirding, sands of time, static orb, stasis, crucible of worlds + strip mine, eye of the storm, and delusions of grandeur + donate
>>46203180
Eye of the Storm, Hivemind, Puca's Mischief, Conjured Currency to name a few.
>>46203186
Hit her with things that say "target creature gets first strike, -THEN DRAW A CARD-" look for that, then with your goblin army, watch as it becomes "your whole army gets first strike, draw a card for each creature you control"
Tiny effects become major on her. Huge effects slow you down unless they're huge enough to swing a game. Think like you're a machine gun, low cmc.
>>46203189
>Proxying is the best way for every deck to look the same.
It could definitely go that way. It won't necessarily, though. Plus, once you have access to all of the obligatory includes, you'll more quickly grow tired of them and move onto something else.
>>46203117
>>46203256
Also don't forget everyone's favorite cards Red Elemental Blast and Pyroblast to protect your swings from counters.
>>46202514
Actually I think Wizards puts some kind of blue layer inside the card to assure it's real, you can kind of see it in that Underground Sea. It's hard to put that layer in a fake card so it would actually be more clearly a fake if it was torn up like that.
>>46203439
I have a feeling that just comes from water damage coloring the core layers because of the blue in the text box.
>>46203467
Yeah that's possible, I don't know if they were putting the layer in cards that early in the game's history but I'm sure I've heard something about it before. It could definitely be from the water damage tho
>>46195291
I wanna get into commander. Is mono black viable? I wanna start with something simple and I haven't made a mono black deck since I first got into magic over a decade ago. What are some good mono-black commanders?
>>46203886
Ghoulcaller gisa! Or go shriea 40 shadowborne apostles
>>46203886
LIliana, Sidisi, Erebos, Shirei, and Skithiryx are all solid
>>46203886
Ignore everyone else, Chainer is the best.
>>46203886
Sidisi is a very reliable but overall kinda boring commander. I've seen Shirei do well with Shadowborn Apostles, and there's a nasty Endrek deck roaming the LGS.
>>46203886
Big Mana Maga
The deck builds and plays itself
>>46203886
Build new Kalitas.
Is there repeatable reanimation for small creatures in g/w, like 1 or 2 power/toughness
>>46203886
find somewhere that has the 2014 commander decks, the monoblack one with ob noxious of the black oath gives you a good starting base but has room for improvement. the alternative commander that comes with the deck, ghoulcaller gisa, is really solid as well.
>>46203971
Loads. My favorites are Revelliark, Sun Titan, Order of Whiteclay, Reclamation of Rebirth.
I think there are a few others, but this shit is easy to look up, you do it. Be aware, most of those are based on CMC, but there are some stupidly based on power.
>>46204244
You mean Proclamation of Rebirth.
>>46204271
Correct.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3A%22or+less%22+C%21gwc+o%3Areturn+o%3A%22graveyard+to+the+battlefield%22&v=card&s=cname
>>46204244
>>46204271
The stupid one's based on power are the ones i'm looking for , trying to reanimate a trostani's summoner. Proclamation of Rebirth seems really fucking good
>>46204337
Unfortunately, they are smarter than that. It seems like Revelliark, Grenzo and Alesha are all that use power for reanimation.
>>46203886
Here's the thing: No matter who's your commander, Cabal Coffers is the true Commander.
>>46204483
And Necropotence is your lieutenant.
>>46204527
or expedition map
>>46196687
nice alter,would play.
>>46204483
Nah Grave Pact is the real commander of my Kalitas deck.
>>46204483
>Cabal Coffers
>$25
I was hoping to get into commander kind of on the cheap but it looks like i'm selling off my playset of sensei tops, or should I keep 1 for my commander deck?
So, Myriad synergize a with Sundial of the Infinite the same way Geist does, right? This could be really fun.
It also works well with dolmen gate, as you can keep your original myriader safe.
>>46205107
Better to keep your tops, man.
Fuck coffers. It is a crutch!
>>46205107
It's $14 on tcgplayer.
Can someone explain to me how Phage the Untouchable works as a commander?
>>46205309
You run shit like torpor orb and sundial of the infinite to stop her downside. Of course, this means she's horribly vulnerable to artifact hate
>>46205107
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MtG-Cabal-Coffers-NM-Torment-/281960213432?hash=item41a6236bb8:g:kdAAAOSwZQxW4K2i
>>46205309
Plat Angel and a few other cards stop you from killing yourself. Some people combo Phage with something like Endless Whispers or a few other cards to kill people via her weird lose condition.
>>46205309
it's pretty much a meme commander.
uncompetitive, easy as fuck to lose with, and just generally silly.
You'd be better off just running monoblack with infect.
Ok anons. Your commander is Alesha. You cast buried alive, there are no other creatures in your yard. What do you get?
>>46205477
Karmic Guide, Iona and Stoneforge Mystic
>>46205477
SFM
Pentavus
Sadistic hypnotist
>>46205510
>>46205477
Nice senpos, thanks
>>46205477
the only correct answer is karmic guide, resto, and kiki
>people saying stoneforge mystic when you can literally just win
>EDH is a cheap, casual format that's all about fun!
>Unless you want to make a deck that can actually win, which will set you back $200-300
JUST
>>46205635
Does Master of Cruelties work in the same way as it does in Kaalia?
>>46205635
>you can literally just win
If you don't eat a board wipe between reanimating everyone and getting to your next combat phase
Also, setting up such an obvious combo makes you the hate target for at least a month
>>46205660
Yes.
>>46205659
Well it;s assuming you already have magic cards that are alright and know most of the rules and common interactions, otherwise it's a standard subset of legacy
>>46205660
Yes, since master reduces their life to 1 even before first strike damage
>>46205659
Pappa Purph is $50.
>>46205732
purphoro himself and a few of his staples have gone up a few bucks so now he's more like $60. fucking madness!
>>46205786
It's really just Kiki.
>>46205659
Don't play with dicks. Decks are cheap unless people start arms racing.
>>46206102
Where is a good price to put the upper limit?
Per card I mean
>>46206292
That entirely depends on you? I, for myself normaly dont buy 20$+ cards. Most of my deck is 2-5$ cards and some cards in the 10-20$ range with a few in the 20$+.
But if I had a dual I'd run it
Just started an Animar deck.
Any Tips?
>>46206323
I just don't think it's fair to call people dicks for having a bigger budget than you
If decks are completely mismatched, then yeah, you're a dick if you don't find a deck that matches the power level of your playgroup
But just buying good cards doesn't make you a dick
>>46206467
Oh I wasnt the guy you answered, just randomly answered your question
>>46206467
Your post is painfully superfluous.
>tfw in love with my edh deck
It's so beautiful, so consistent, so powerful.I can't wait to receive money so I can buy a Demonic Tutor.
>>46205659
>$200-300
>not cheap
$2000-3000 is where the best decks are at.
best zada tech?
>>46206636
Thanks for your valuable insight
I finally figured out the best unique synergy with Geist of Saint Traft. Banding.
Banding. It works. It works surprisingly well.
I also finally realized what the point of all those "becomes blocked" cards is.
>>46205708
>board wipe at instant speed
or just exiling the kiki, forever. boardwipes would be fine in comparison. since you can just get your stuff back. as usual in the alesha deck this combo is best when you have sac outlets in play (and if you have goblin bombardment or altar of dementia in play, you win the turn that you cast buried alive with infinite dammy or mill).
>>46205660
yes! although, that only kills one person and can just be blocked so it doesn't seem quite as good. also it's kind of funny that alesha has first strike so if you don't have any other unblocked creatures (that don't have first strike) it won't even kill them, it'll leave them at 1.
House rules? Post your house rules.
My friends/play group are kind of alcoholics and we usually play at a bar so we have:
>first round is on last weeks winner
>if you knock someone out of the game, you have to buy them a drink
>>46206869
Oh yeah, one of the best token producers in the color in a deck that relies on a billion tokens is tech, totally.
Shit like Fiery Gambit is tech.
>>46206869
>>46206934
>first person to play a land starts the game (Results in loser getting to start / people being quick in between games)
>the 2 titans don't have annihilator (playgroup wants to play sneak attack and shit but doesn't want X random player to lose turn 2-3 and have to sit and watch the rest of the table)
>no 2 card infinite combos (T&N into combo, Mike & Trike, Palinchron + Manadoubler / Flicker etc)
I'm of the opinion that the less houserules that affect the game the better, and I've pretty much singlehandedly pushed land removal to be (somewhat) tolerated in the meta, as well as slowly introducing stax elements. The last two rules are compromises I've had to make.
>>46206934
we play with tuck because we're not babies
>>46207062
Lololol @ Titans don't have annihilator
People are funny
>>46206955
>fiery gambit
Smart of wizards to make random cards shit
If they were good it would feel bad when you lose to them. But since they are bad, instead it's fun and random when you actually value off them
>>46203886
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh/
>>46207074
honestly any playgroup that plays with the command zone rule at all is babies. it literally makes no sense.
>kill someone's commander
>lolol nope i can cast it again cuz reasons!
>this is logical somehow
literal
fucking
babies
>>46207092
In most playgroups, that would basically translate to "titans are banned, unless you're really in love with fatties".
I guess that's sort of fine, it's more permissive than simply banning them, players who like the cards can still use them. I just really hate any houserule that makes cards not do what's written on them / what their oracle text says. That would be like making a houserule saying that Sol Ring costs 3 to cast. It would still be a great card, I'd still play it, it would arguably lead to a much healthier format, but really, just ban the fucking card instead. Modifying the text of cards through houserules is only one step removed from just playing with custom cards.
>>46207147
Obligatory would cost more than 20$ with shipping comment
>>46207151
Singleton 100 for lyfe
>>46207172
Use tcgplayer.
>>46207159
>>46207062
Titans are awesome due to their mill-immunity ability, but the annihilator caused WAY too much salt. So that is the compromise we arrived at. Also, the cast triggers are pretty good.
>>46207147
>>46207172
Yesterday I met a guy who took forth my Mikaeus deck, felt pretty cool.
I asked how much he paid for it WITH shipping. He said it was $35, not too bad. He also added cards like Sol Ring and Blasting Station.
>>46207159
well before they printed the new titans, the old titans were played in many decks that made big mana and wanted the cast effects because their color(s) either couldn't vindicate or couldn't draw cards well. I wouldn't imagine many seriously competitive decks would have played them but this is edh, right? kozilek was definitely more about the draw 4 than the body it left behind, although obviously the fact that you get a huge monster that will annihilate someone's day if you untap with it is part of why it was worth to pay that much mana for the effect, even if your color(s) couldn't draw cards otherwise. ulamog is indestructible so he was a lot more appealing even if you weren't, for example, desperate to have a way to kill enchantments in your monored deck.
of course then they printed the new titans and they had significantly improved versions of the on cast effects, and suddenly anyone who was playing ulamog for the vindicate rather than the indestructible 99/99 annihilator had no reason to play him anymore, unless they played both.
>>46207122
Yup, exactly. Hopefully with thirty coin flips in Zada, you'll get some value off of it. I mean, winning three coin flips is what, a 1/8 chance? That doesn't sound right.
Half to win the first one, quarter to win the first and second one and eighth to win the first, second and third one. So, yeah, with 8 gobbos, you probably will win the big effect. Sure, it'll wipe your board, but hey.
>>46207246
>>46207258
oh yeah i forgot. some people choose for some reason to play with playgroups that have filthy degenerate mill players in them, so i guess many people found themselves playing the titans for that purpose as well.
>>46205107
I paid 6€ for a Japanese one lately, the fuck are you getting your prices from?
>>46207280
It's also a great tool for resetting your deck size. Drew 60 cards this turn? Discard 53, where one is a titan.
>>46205107
I got a foil Cabal Coffers for less than that a week ago.
