Post your jank combos and synergies here.
>>46183361
Why would you discard the jank equipment? There are better cards to pay the cost, like madness ones
>>46179443
czech em
>>46183432
Are you guys getting your Lilianas cheap right now for the Jankiest Sacrifice/Madness synergies ever seen?
Rare land nicknames?
Showlands
Handlands
peeklands
>>46183515
Handlands
>>46183515
Gay bitches
>>46183515
Handlands
>>46182496 #
You are an idiot. 4 mana, deal 8 damage? It isn't supposed to stay on the field for long.
Have you ever encountered RDW or Burn or fucking any fast deck?
It is undertuned, 5 power would've been more reasonable, but what you are asking for is legitimately retarded.
>>46183399
Swords and path aren't mistakes though. White has a long history of getting to do things in exchange for benefiting the opponent in some way. It also has a long history of being the best at removal.
You've got oblation, path, swords, and now this. You've got angelic edict, archon of justice, catapult master, councils judgement, crib swap, dispatch, exclusion ritual, have of justice, Iona's justice, mangara, trostanis judgement,
All of the above cards are able to permanently exile every targetable creature in the game.
You're wrong about swords and path being mistakes. Their party of a common theme, and the best at it.
Also your card vocabulary is shit.
>>46183515
SHADOWLANDS
>>46183515
I look forward to the inevitable retarded debate over their nicknames.Oh wait, no I don't.
>>46183515
HaNdLaNdS
>>46183696
Need a 1 sylabus word before land mate
SHOCKland
FETCHland
CHECKland
FASTland
ShadowLand doesn't qualify
SHOWland it's gonna be.
Or SHITland.
>>46183659
Lots of people, including people at Wizards think of cards like Swords where the drawback is completely pathetic as much of a color pie breach as Psionic Blast.
Exile being that much better than Destroy means that White regularly ends up being the color that is best at removal. This shits on black. Black is very heavily defined by being the best at removal.
It is true that currently, White gets lots of unconditional exile. But this is a thing they have mentioned they want to move away from.
It is a subjective thing to discuss. The same way when people propose new mechanics for red. They both discuss changing the color pie, shifting it. Most MTG players want to only add to colors, not take away.
>>46183911
syllable* fuck english m8
>>46183911
TANGOland :^)
>>46183911
>SHITland
Are you going to propose it each time a new type of dual lands is released ?
>>46183975
Are there even enough Wolfs and Werewolfs in Standard?
>>46184019
Maybe? We would need to see the rest of the set first.
>>46183497
I feel like we're going to see a lot of decks that run at least a combined 6 of Lilianas and Jaces.
I'm not really into Standard, is Rally rotating with SoI? That's still the best deck in Standard, right?
>>46183935
>But this is a thing they have mentioned they want to move away from.
Not him but you are dead wrong, R&D is divided on "white exiles a creature but gives something back effects" which is known from an answer MaRo gave like a month or two ago. HE is against it but that doesn't mean everyone, but in and out of R&D is.
Also we are literally getting this card in this new set so how the fuck can you claim that "this effect is something that white doesn't do and is totally a thing from the past like psionic blast!"?
>>46184019
We already have 11 in SoI
>>46184057
>MaRo is opposed to white exiling
Is he aware that's one of the only things making white relevant in eternal formats aside from graveyard hate and exceptions like Death&Taxes? Like, even in casual shit formats like EDH, white is known for two things: Enlightened Tutor, and cheap exile effects.
What, in MaRo's opinion, is white's strength? If he wants to take away good cheap removal, what's left after that? White weenies?
>>46183515
Homelands.
>>46184163
Because they are shit ?
>>46183959
As long as they release shit-tier land, yes
>>46184019
There are a few cards that make wolf tokens and a few other werewolves. Still over a hundred cards not revealed yet, so maybe some cool cards to see there. Tribal is a pretty important component of the set, so there should be.
>>46184057
>the drawback is completely pathetic
Yes, Mark wants to white to get only soft removal like O-rings. But it is a safe bet that others in R&D don't want to print insane cards like Swords in Standard sets.
It clearly isn't universal and I'm sure some guys in R&D just don't give a shit and want white to get fucking everything except card draw, but I do think there's a reason why white's completely unconditional removal like Trostani's Judgement and Angelic Edict is costed closer to Scour From Existence than Path.
Personally, I feel that common is fine, but Black getting worse removal than White at common will always bug me a bit.
>>46184125
I don't see it
>>46184261
It's not a kill, it's a suicide.
>>46184149
MaRo is fine with white exiling but conditionally like big creatures and attacking creatures and creatures that did damage and exiling in a form that can be reversed and shit.
But no Exile+you get life/cards/lands/cards etc. To be fair exiling shit and giving something back is totally white
>>46184261
Noob
>>46184125
I've heard of suicide black, but that's ridiculous
>>46184149
Maro literally doesn't give a fuck about formats other than kitchen table. He pretends to, as the face of MTG design, but every opinion he has in regards to color pie is pertaining to casual MtG.
That's why he is so strict about color pie shit. Because in his mind, Red and White aren't broken. Direct damage is super important in these kinds of formats (so Red doesn't need anything else) and White has O-Rings, undercosted flyers, weenies, anthems, etc.
On some level I get it, but I can see it being frustrating to people who play MtG completely differently. Fortunately, Maro isn't in charge. That's how shit like the uncounterable cycle happened in RtR. They wanted a 5 card cycle that would shake up eternal formats. Maro said it didn't fit in, uncounterable is boring and is more or less entirely a RG thing.
I'm still mad that Supreme Verdict is UW rather than RW as it should be. Even if that cycle ended up being really good for eternal and EDH.
>>46184274
If he had his way, blue would be better than white at removal. White an green would do literally nothing but drop creatures and fights. Fuck that kike.
>>46183515
I love these. I want 4 of each.
>>46184289
>>46184125
My favorite is the one that uses One with Nothing and just Sinkholes the swamp.
>>46184336
Maro's a designer, he just makes cards he thinks are fun. Worrying about how they play in formats is for development.
>>46184387
>cards left in library and graveyard
ONE JOB
Atarka Furries incoming
>>46184437
I believe it uses Tormod's Crypt still. I don't know how it gets rid of the library since if they use Leveler, they have to get rid of it.
>>46184420
I am still waiting for someone in development to make a blog so that I can release years of pent up rage at them.
Design does their job fine like 60-70% of the time at least, making cute cards like that 13 one (even if they fail alot like 3 of the new PW being boring samey shit) but development have been taking a nosedive these past few years, and I am not even mainly talking about the abysmal powerlevel.
>>46184437
You can still crypt it out.
This is the thread for jank, right?
>>46184514
I suspect this is why they don't.
Just bitch at Forscythe on Twitter like everyone else.
>>46184450
>Unironically using weremaro and Wolf of Shitiest Mythic
>>46184420
Yeah, but he still cares about the less than obvious things that contribute to fun in the very long run. That's why he doesn't want certain colors to do certain things, because he assumes that thirty years down the line, people will still be playing MtG and he doesn't want all of the colors to have homogenized by that point.
I say this as someone who is constantly vexed by enchantments when playing a monored deck in EDH.
Like, I get it, if every color ends up with flyers, eventually flying won't feel special to certain colors. Which ends up with decks not feeling special, which blah blah blah.
>>46184514
Planeswalkers tend to actually be mostly handled by development, since there's so many things to adjust.
>>46184614
Like in total? Having control over the abilities +/- values, the walker cost and the loyalty aren't enough?
I would like some source on this claim
>>46184557
Pretty sure he actually IS using them ironically there. Or at least being sarcastic in general.
>>46184557
Weremaro is legitmately my favorite card in this set.
I had a Maro deck and Multani was my favorite card in that deck.
>>46184019
I want them to reprint immerwolf, but they won't because intimidate isn't a supported keyword anymore. Hopefully they'll make a new version with menace or something.
>>46184557
>Wolf of Shitiest Mythic
But that's not Geralf's Masterpiece
>>46184704
Geralf's masterpiece has like 3 times more chances to see any play than borringwolf
>>46184743
Sadly
>>46184679
It's total shit but I like him too for some reason. I don't even play casual
>>46184704
The Wolf is literally the worst Mythic in standard right now. Its absolutely terrible in every single scenario, you could even consider picking anything else over it in limited.
>>46184743
It does trigger madness
>>46184669
You'd have to dig through Maro's articles/blog for that. Creative comes up with the characters, obviously, and design makes an initial pass. They just end up being getting changed a lot in development; abilities will be switched out, costs adjusted, that sort of thing. The end result is that development has more of a hand in their design than with any other card type.
>>46184678
Jace's stupid face ruins everything the encroaching spectre of another fucking Eldrazi block doesn't.
>>46184125
How do you play Tormod's Crypt if you've discarded it???
>>46185011
Play Crypt, hold priority and cast Spite.
>>46184125
>tfw Slobad.
>>46183975
I want to run this with mono-green wolves, no werewolves at all.
>>46183975
That'll require EDH. There's like, two wolves in standard that aren't in SOI and they're garbo.
>>46184533
Welp, now I'm hard
>>46183515
Tango lands because it requires two cards
W/B/r Vampires looks fun as fuck. I may have to sneak in a Triskaidekaphobia as an alternate wincon for fun.
>>46184336
>Even if that cycle ended up being really good for eternal and EDH.
...Supreme Verdict was part of a cycle?
>>46184533
Yeah, I thought the same thing
Goldnight Castigator looks like utter trash without that, is the problem
>>46183361
That are for Heir to the Night is really goofy, right? It's not just me?
>>46185588
Yup. Each guild in RTR got one uncounterable spell. Most weren't good enough for serious play, but a fair share were.
Supreme Verdict, Loxodon Smiter, Abrupt Decay, Slaughter Games and Counterflux.
>>46185614
Oh baby
>>46185562
W/B seems to be more of a cleric thing at the moment
>>46185656
Her cleavage is a bat.
>>46185689
3.5/5 I guess
>>46183361
>cast heir turn 2
>turn 3 discard incorrigible youths to transform to heir of the night
>cast incorrigible youths its madness cost
>attack for 7 on turn 3
it's not even that far fecthed, and there are still a decent number of other discard outlets and madness cards to keep the deck consistent.
>>46185752
Slaughter Games saw some standard play for a bit. I assume that's the .5?
But yeah, Counterflux is my fave out of all of them, but I am pretty sure it has only ever seen play in EDH.
But yeah, that's what happens when a cycle is super influenced by development. Notice how everyone always talks so highly about RTR and shits on the rest of the block? Because RTR with this cycle was designed for spikes, while shit like the primordials and lots of other shit in GW was for Timmies only. Johnny could suck a dick.
It didn't help that GW also ruined limited.
>>46185609
It's a 4 mana, 4 power flyer with haste. There are red decks that would be happy to use it as a curve topper.
>>46185838
Johnny's fine, he got biovisionary
>>46183361
>Creature that transforms combined with an equipment that's best on transform creatures
GREAT JOB SHERLOCK
>>46185858
Yeah, but I mean, c'mon. Neither Furnace of Rath nor Dictate of the Twin Gods were broken, so why make a damage doubler with only the downside of running a damage doubler and instead of the proper, swingy upside, you get a measly 4 damage?
I'm just really disappointed, I guess. It would have been nice to have a proper damage doubler on a body, although obviously if the did that, she wouldn't still have 4 power for 4cmc.
>>46183515
As much as I'd love speedland or quickland or something because they're basically just a flavour of fastland, I think handland is the best.
>>46186002
Didn't-mulligan-to-fourland
What kind of card(s) are required to make WG Weenie waifu clues meta relevant?
>>46185614
That is one hell of a good way to cheat out something big.
If only such a thing existed in this low-power set.
>>46186243
>>46186234
Knight of the white orchid, maybe that new sorcery that exiles as you can sac the clue token for it, Thalia's lieutenant
I know I'm torturing myself by doing it, but whenever TMS does spoiler coverage, there's always at least 2 quotes/jokes/notes from one of these threads. I swear that guy is lurking in here.
>>46185719
How did I not notice that before, good eye anon.
>>46186243
there are still a lot of eldrazi in standard
Currently sitting on 4 of the BFZ R/B dual lands for my casual Eldrazi aggro deck, but planning to put together W/G Humans.
Should I stock up on the BFZ Dual land for that as well? I've got a feeling both of those will have a pretty big price spike soon.
>>46186516
The second the full spoiler releases the Battlelands are going to spike a lot. I suggest stocking on a playset of each one as soon as you can, the price will just go up and up when the demand skyrockets.
>>46186516
So basically buy another 4 RB lands and 8 WG lands now.
Figured as much.
>>46186393
Just checked the last one, with Triskaidekaphobia
I'm with you, Wedge is lurking in here
Hi Wedge
Man that's Tamiyo and Jace in Avacyn's Judgement artwork.
>>46186779
I noticed him using nearly exact quotes back in the Oath spoiler season as well.
He actually is a fa/tg/uy in every sense of the word.
>>46186779
Literally who?
>>46186793
Probably immediately before Anguished Unmaking
>>46186393
We aren't exactly original or creative geniuses. Most of the jokes we make or remarks we say about spoiler cards are ones everyone makes.
They do make me smile every time though. I wish the gatherer was working again. MTG fans poking fun at Magic cards is my favorite thing. Especially on commons and uncommons that would otherwise be ignored outside of limited.
>>46186836
Found Wedge
>>46186839
So that makes it Avacyn's poor judgmentof getting in the way of a millenia old vampire
>>46186002
since the lands request a basic land to come untapped, the only correct answer for these new lands is
>basicland
>>46187222
They don't require a basic land
>>46187222
basiclandtypeland
>>46183515
Needlands
Cuz you'll need lands for these to work
>>46185990
Because a flying 4 mana 4 power with haste would be fucking retarded if it also doubled it's own damage, or just as retarded if it doubled the damage of the spells you cast.
>>46187463
>Because a flying 4 mana 4 power with haste would be fucking retarded if it also doubled it's own damage
Well, yes, that's why I said it wouldn't have 4 power.
I'm just disappointed because I like damage doubling spells. They provide a really cool upside with an equally cool and dangerous downside, and sticking one of those on even a weak body would be pretty cool, I think. To me, this card has the dangerous downside without the equally impressive upside that cards like Furnace of Rath usually have.
>>46187614
maybe you should just get good, lol
>>46187614
The upside is that it's an aggressive curve topper with evasion that swings immediately.
It's not a cool splashy furnace of rath card, it's designed to kick shit in as effectively as possible. Time will tell if it's good enough to do that.
>>46184772
> at worst 5/5 for 5, at best 5/5 for 5 that turns dead cards into removal
This is damned good in limited, you salty scrublord.
>>46186243
Since you need at least 5 mana to cast this. Just play ramp and hardcast those fatty. On turn 5 you could be able to chain World Breakers more consistently than assembling this combo.
>>46187614
This is the problem when people evaluate cards. This was never intended to be a damage doubler. It isn't furnace of rath. It never was going to be. R&D knows that a furnace of wrath attached to a creature would probably have to be 8 mana and be completely useless in any format.
It is just a beat stick with a drawback.
>>46184450
Still needs wolf/werewolf lords and cards that trigger and prevent transformation.
>>46184261
>play swamp and black lotus
>sac lotus for BBB, tap swamp for B
>cast both rituals for BBBBBB
>eight black mana in pool
>use five mana to cast leveler
>put library in graveyard
>cast tormod's crypt
>while it's on the stack, use remaining mana, discard hand, and sacrifice your permanents to cast kaervek's spite
>crypt resolves
>sac crypt to exile your graveyard
>you now have no library, no permanents, no cards in hand, and no graveyard
It's suicide black to the extreme.
>>46187863
b-b-but what's the point ??
>>46187880
Killing yourself in one turn
>>46187863
That's not what Leveler does!
>>46187945
Oops, misread. Result is the same though.
>>46187989
True, but Leveler would be a lot better in normal game play then.
I swear there was a version of this that left your opponent at twenty though.
>>46183515
Shitlands
>>46187814
Why is this a problem, exactly? I'm saying I don't like the card because it reminds me of one of my favorite sort of effects, but it's not nearly as cool because it's not the same thing.
>R&D knows that a furnace of wrath attached to a creature would probably have to be 8 mana and be completely useless in any format.
What? Why on Earth would it have to be that expensive? To begin with, creatures are easier to remove than enchantments. Hell, in this case, the creature in question is even saying "Hello! I'm here! If you have any means of dealing damage to me whatsoever or forcing my controller to block, I will almost certainly die to my own effect!" You could even make the fucker a 1/2 if you wanted to because its toughness being one point higher would literally not matter because of its own effect.
Second of all, there IS a creature with a Furnace of Rath effect. Well, not exactly, because it was actually a ONE-SIDED Furnace of Rath, with additional upsides and evasion to boot, for SEVEN mana. In context, claiming that a Furnace of Rath creature would "have to" cost 8 is just dumb.
And did a beat stick like this (which I acknowledge it is, obviously) really have to be a mythic rare? I can't really see wanting to play this in any deck other than an extremely aggressive one, which might be difficult to make work in a draft environment. I might just not know enough about draft balance to make that call, but I just can't see picking this without a deck that could also remove it at will with sacrifice effects or something.
>>46183935
>black is heavily defined at being the best at removal
Umm no it fucking isn't and never has been
Black had always been the most LIMITED at removal, only being able to deal with creatures, the only color that can neither remove enchantments not artifacts
However black was, and still is, the color that gets lots of creature removal
>>46188067
Kaervek's Spite deals damage to "target player," so you can target yourself if you want.
>>46187463
it could be fun if it was a 2/9 with double strike, at least it would have the small upside of the first strike and +x/+x would be doubled too which is nice
>>46184234
Why should it bother you that black gets worse removal than white?
there is basically nothing black isn't better at than white, besides having versatile removal
Black has life drain where white has life gain
Black had card draw where white hopes to topdeck, I guess
I have no idea why people hate on white, the most gimped of all colors constantly
>>46183975
Ehhhh... Should've been Immerwolf as an enchantment.
>>46188195
Sorry, I obviously meant creature removal. I'm fine with W getting a liom's share of enchantment and artifact removal (though I wish green and red got more exile when it comes to that).
Things are honestly fine right now, but the most played creature removal in Legacy and Modern (correct me if I am wrong) is red or white. And white having tons of other types of removal is why I would rather black get the best creature removal.
>>46188266
but then, ass formation would be a lot more OP, and we would kind of play combo in standard (?)
>>46183975
>>46184019
>>46185392
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-03-16-xeb-gruul-wolves/
>>46183515
>Allied colors enter untapped lands
>>>>>>>>>Again
>>46188270
What? White has a huge portion of the color pie. It gets flyers when red and green don't, it gets spot removal, it gets Wraths out of the ass, it gets bears unlike R and U.
White being the best weenie color and also getting efficient shit like Baneslayer while Green, the color of fatties gets hyper chump block able turds is why people hate white.
Fuck, red, the most aggressive color in MTG finally got a 2/1 for one with no drawback, while white has had one since the games inception.
>>46188467
Wait, is the vamp guy really the first 2/1 in red?
>>46188218
It was Demonic Consultation. I remembered.
Swamp, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Sinkhole, Demonic Consultation, One with Nothing, Tormod's Crypt.
>>46188467
And its a rare. Hell if we'll ever see Goblin Pikeman as a common for R.
Meanwhile, White could probably field an entire deck of 2/1 1 drops (not that it'd be good, but they probably have enough creatures.
I remember Red players in the Origins prerelease picking up bonded Servant solely so they could get a 2/1 for 1.
Someone had an interesting idea regarding the text of the Clues over on the mtgsalvation board:
"[Remember] to have Jenrik research Markov Manor."
"Consider [this:] the shepherd turns on her flock. Why?"
"The symbols-When did [they] change?"
"With angels [came] mysteries."
"Their chanting grows louder [as] the tide rises."
"Fore every answer, [three] questions."
"You speak to me of the threat of Ulamog. But [do not forget: they came as three]."
Ugin's Insight
>>46188525
Yes. First one without a drawback. Red is not a creature color like U, so it gets shit creatures.
Dragons are the only cheap flyers, traditionally. They actually have a rule called the dragon rule when it comes to that. It is also why they don't get bears, but instead get pikers.
>>46186243
Hey buddy, remember us?
>>46185838
>But yeah, Counterflux is my fave out of all of them, but I am pretty sure it has only ever seen play in EDH.
Sees some play in modern.
>Slaughter Games saw some standard play for a bit. I assume that's the .5?
Also has seen some play in modern.
>Because RTR with this cycle was designed for spikes
Is this just a euphemism for 'had powerful cards in it'? Do people actually think that RTR was good for competitive play?
>>46188416
>Huntmaster of the Fells
>Standard
>>46188563
Please.
No.
Captcha: STOP
>>46188525
First one drop, and the others have pretty severe downsides.
The only one a quick search shows me that has promise is Tattermunge, which has to attack each turn and is Hybrid Red/Green.
>>46188563
>>46188595
No, they specifically talked about it in developmental and design articles.
For most non-spikes, uncounterable variations of normal cards are drearily dull.
>>46188563
I mean jokes on you, I want this shit story to be over ASAP. Avengers, I mean the Gatewatch, is not fun.
>>46188582
>shows up pretending to be a reality bending motherfucker
>dies to a fireball
kozi-who?
>>46188563
>>46188605
read the description
They dont have arlin Kord in the database yet so huntmaster = arlin
Goblin guide = village messenger
Wooded foot hills = game trail, the new r/g dual land
>>46188563
>mfw the moon bursts open and Emrakul comes out of it
>>46188563
>>46188563
I'm sticking to my 4th sister theory until I'm proven wrong!
>>46188582
yup
I want to make a W/G humans list with CoCo/Sigarda top end at first since I imagine something like that shouldn't cost much
Then once a couple weeks go by and we know what cards are legit I want to build something else.
Maybe Babby Jund with Asylum Visitor, Red Bob, Tireless Tracker, Arlin.
Maybe even go all the way up to include a pair of Dark Dwellers and Oath Chandras.
>>46188563
>there won't be a cool Eldritch Moon trailer to show WHATEVER bursting out of the moon
>>46188563
Where exactly are you getting the placement of the words from? I don't want to jump to conclusions. That and the fact that "Do not forget" changes to "remember this" makes me wonder if a confirmation bias might be at play.
>>46183432
what a fucking retard
>>46188989
remember and do not forget are synonyms you monkey
>>46188301
fucking agree
>>46184533
Nigger Ángel is shitty Ángel. They totally ruined innistrad
>>46188563
What were the different numbers for Tamiyo's journal again?
>Ugin's eyes swiveled back to Sorin. "Where is the hedron mage? Where is Nahiri?"
>The notion of shame had long since evaporated from Sorin. Over the millennia, Sorin's human frailties and neurosis had grown, blossomed, and withered away—he was as immune to regret as he was to old age. And yet, for the first time in years, an uncomfortable feeling grew within him, an unpleasant itch, the sense that he was responsible—solely—for something important going awry. It wasn't remorse exactly, just a dull, discordant echo ringing in the space where remorse had once resided.
Reminder that Sorin brought this on himself and whatever he did was the first thing to make him even think about the concept of guilt in thousands of years
>>46189159
Good, fuck that nigger in the ass
>>46189073
Well, of course they are, but when you're taking your clues from the exact words, the exact words used become relevant.
I mean, if somebody said
>Remember to have [Jenrik] research Markov Manor.
>With angels [came] mysteries.
>Consider this: the shepherd turns [on] her flock. Why?
>[Their] chanting grows louder as the tide rises.
>Fore every answer, [three] questions.
>The [symbols] - When did they change?
and then used this as evidence that Jenrik was actually a lithophiliac who was working for Nahiri all along because trios of cryptoliths get him hard, you wouldn't think of that as compelling evidence. I'm aware that a lot of people already anticipate that Emrakul will make an appearance in Eldritch Moon, but I'm curious as to how strong the case for that really is.
>>46189159
and this justifies her tanking an entire world how
>>46188989
It's not my theory, and I agree that it's more convenient than definitive... but it's interesting nonetheless.
>>46189243
It might not, but it makes for a better story than Nahiri just randomly sperging out and deciding to fuck his home up for no real reason
It can't be "muh eldrazi", she agreed to that.
>>46186563
Why is he demand going to be high if fetchlands are rotating
>>46189159
Daily reminder that you will never be as cool as Sorin.
>Why live?
>>46189277
Reminder that during all these mysterious events regarding brainwashed angels and mysterious motives, a master telepath in a hoodie is standing 5 feet to the left.
>>46189361
>Jace: Wait a minute that clue...
>>46189089
I have nothing against any other race, but Wizard's whole "muh diversity" thing is starting to get on my last nerve.
>>46189431
Oddly enough, I think I would have preferred it if it had just been the Angel. At least they have the excuse of being mana constructs and not needing to look European.
>>46189411
Speaking of clues, has anyone made any progress on the posters?
>>46189509
the posters were a fucking waste of time.
They were pointing on a clock face that pointed to the card number of Nahiri's pw card
>>46188467
All you have to do is look at he history of magic to know white is gimped
White is largely shit in every single era of magic besides color pie breaking or otherwise broken cards like Lin sivvi or Stoneforge mystic
If it doesn't involve cheating things into play, white is literally useless
Path to exile is one of the only viable mono white cards in all of modern
Notice that the viable way to use white in legacy is either as a splash for swords to plow shares or by abusing aether vial, a non white card
>>46188968
I don't think bothering with green or sigarda is worth it. Just play mono white and go wide. You get fucked by boardwipes and lots of removal but that is just what white weenie decks do.
>>46189557
>Red is starting to get all kinds of pseudo card draw
>Four colors now have access to varying degrees of decent to amazing card draw
>White has to live with occasionally being able to fetch a few plains IF your opponent has more lands than you do
White is suffering
>>46189557
How is Stoneforge Mystic a break in the color pie? White gets equipment support all the time. Is Stonecutter Giant a break too?
And when it comes to Legacy, isn't Miracles a thing that really likes to run Entreat the Angels and Terminus? I'm not 100% on that but I don't think they only ever use Bonfire for their wincon. You could make the same argument that they also "abuse" a nonwhite card (Top) to get the most out of it, but this is Legacy after all. It's a cutthroat format where if anything can be abused it will be.
Old janky combo deck I ran in standard a few rotations ago. Actually did extremely well against MBD, GW midrange and esper control, because of it's speed, it's 30% chance to win on turn 3-5 and it's disruptive nature that people didn't run answers to in their sideboard because it wasn't meta. Lost to MUD and burn.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-guess-i-won/
>>46185614
I really like show and tell but there's nothing worth running it for in standard right now. I miss Enter the Infinite and Worldspine Wurm.
>>46186281
>no direct damage to opponent
>three unopposed turns to kill
worthless
>>46186437
Eldrazi's ETBs are cast-based, and Briarbridge Patrol puts cards onto the battlefield instead of casts them, making them also worthless. You might as well just ramp instead and cast the fuckers instead of this combo that costs 4 and 5 and is difficult to acquire and protect.
Still waiting on 10+ CMC uncastable timmy cards.
>>46189558
I was hoping the Dromoka's Command could help deal with Radiant Flames
>>46183515
>third block in a row with no good enemy duel lands
Why does Wizards jerk around Ally colors so hard?
Who is going to be the next planeswalker in joining the Gatewatch?
>>46189824
Probably Lili.Maybe Tamiyo?
>>46189698
I just realized, we have 4 different R/W motivations that are going to end up represented this block.
Classic Innistrad R/W, being a desperate band of villagers going against the church in hopes of surviving
Avacyn, being corrupted into a Boos style avatar of extreme justice and vengeance
Nahiri's cultists, who will an organized cult after the chaos of whatever she's trying to use to destroy the plane
And Nahiri herself, who is motivated by a personally vendetta against Sorin.
>>46189687
Maybe but white weenie is a tapout type of deck, holding up mana just in case they might boardwipes you isn't where you want to be. Plus it makes your mana worse(even with battlelands and handlands) because not being able to go t1 dude, t2 dude etc due to a tapped land is just bad. However if you are really worried about boardwipes you can run that 3cmc white spell that gives your dudes +1/+0 and indestructible for a turn.
>>46189883
True enough. Probably want to save non creature spots for the vigilance anthem or Gideon
>>46189641
Stoneforge isn't color pie break its just obviously more powerful than a normal white card and doesn't have any functional equivalents with her equipment cheating ability
You're right that terminus and entreat the Angels are good in miracles but again, only because of the "cheating" miracle cost
Literally the only thing viable about those cards at all is the miracle making them ridiculous under costed and instant speed
Making Angels and wiping the board are proven to be just okay in eternal formats
Black and red usually have more relevant board wipes in eternal formats, whites board wipes are too high cmc
>>46189916
Vigi anthem and the sorcery exile if you just have to have maindeck removal are the only non creature spells I can see running. So far Thalia's Lieutenant and the flip chick who makes dudes are really good creatures. The deck just needs one more good white human to complete it. A banisher priest would be really good because you could forgo non creature removal or something like the original Thalia to help you disrupt your opponent.
>>46189842
Pretty sure Tamiyo is getting killed soon, can't have more than one monocolored potential protagonist. Wizard has to print more Jace and she's eating development space.
>>46184771
It may have to do with it being completely crazy in any multiplayer format.
Its gonna be an EDH allstar, I'll tell you that much.
>>46189950
>Stoneforge isn't color pie break its just obviously more powerful than a normal white card and doesn't have any functional equivalents with her equipment cheating ability
I have to admit, I'm baffled by your thought processes here. I agree fundamentally that white, eternally, is the least powerful color, but you're supporting that by somehow claiming that the white cards that ARE strong, eternally, just don't count as white because they're "cheating" somehow.
>>46190140
They don't have to kill her though, she can just be the Super Friends' Oracle, gathering information and shit instead of actually travelling around combatting threats.And then shove her into the background to never use again because fuck you Kamigawa will never be revisited.
>>46189698
>no good enemy duel lands
>he doesn't play painlands
>>46189557
White is a good control color. Swords/wrath effects/ghostly prison effects are the standouts.
Savannah lion creatures are fine in white because there's no other support for aggressive white strategie like there is in red.
>>46189616
>Best removal
>Best planeswalkers
Fuck you. Blue is the true loser in magic, almost always used as a support color, very rarely has blue been able to stand on its own.
>>46190168
Nah, what he's saying is probably that those cards are only good because of a broken mechanic or another card making them extremely powerful and that they are not representative of White's power, as they are far in between exceptions rather than the rule.
>>46190339
this has to be bait
>>46190339
>Best draw
>Best disruption
Fuck you. Green is the true loser in magic, almost always used as a support color, very rarely has green been able to stand on its own.
>>46190467
>Best Creatures
>Best land ramp
Fuck you. Black is the true loser in magic. Half the good stuff kills you and White removes better than you
>>46190467
>Best creatures
>Best pump spells and combat tricks
Fuck you. Black is the true loser in magic, almost always used as a support color, very rarely has black been able to stand on it's own.
>>46188595
Huh?
RTR had Decay and Deathrite, both of which redefined Legacy. Anything else is just candy.
Objective historical color ranking
1. Blue
2. Black
3. White
4. Red
5. Green
>>46190531
this
>>46190502
>>46190523
Black mind
>>46190531
What? In eternal formats, it's certainly:
1) Blue
2) Black
3) Green
4) Red
5) White
What does white even fucking have other than Balance?
>>46190531
Pfffft
>U
>B
>R
>G/W
And in stuff like Vintage it's
>U
>Brown
>B/R
>G
>W
>>46190628
What does red have other than burn?
>>46190339
was getting caught part of your plan?
>>46190628
White has always had the best removal
>>46190676
swiftspear and titan's strength
>>46190676
REB and Pyro?
The one vintage-playable goblin?
>>46190628
>What is Sword to Plowshare
>What is Path to Exile
>What is every sideboard hate ? RiP, Stony Silence, Leyline of Sanctity...
pls
>>46190697
Which is useful in vintage how?
The best colors in vintage are:
1. Blue
2. Black
3. Brown
4. Red
5. White
6. Green/black cards
7. Utility lands
8. Actual green cards
So it looks like clue's are getting a meme deck, or so it seems.
Also, Kalitas just keeps on going up and up. I'm so happy i already have 2 and one is foil, its like earning free money by doing nothing.
>>46190723
And Dack and artifact removal
>>46190531
Objective last 5 years color ranking
1. Green
2. Black
3. White
4. Blue
5. Red
>>46190760
>8. Actual green cards
Oh yeah, because fastbond isn't an entire deck archetype or anything. And Oath doesn't exist either, I suppose.
Hell, Sylvan exists too.
>>46190760
I'm not talking about Vintage specifically, I'm talking about the color's power throughout the history of the game.
>>46190787
Forgot picture
>>46190697
Removal is far less relevant in Legacy than in Modern, and even less so in Vintage.
>>46190754
>what is channel
>what is goyf
>what is mongoose
>what is fastbond
>what is deathrite
>what is decay
Hell, what are Xantid Swarm and Choke?
>>46190787
I have 3, 1 Prerelease, 1 in Russian and 1 in weeb
THAT TIME I WILL NOT BE LEFT ON THE SIDEROAD, FUCK YOU JACE
>>46190523
>Best graveyard interaction
>Best land destruction
Fuck you. Red is the true loser in magic, almost always used as a support color, very rarely has red been able to stand on its own.
>>46190821
>>46190754
And I even forgot Oath, take it for free my friend.
>>46190821
Green is played alone in a deck ?
Meanwhile :
Blue : Merfolk
Red : Burn
White : D&T
Black : Pox & Mud
Green : ???????
>>46190815
Fastbond isn't a deck anymore. Gushbond is a bad storm deck. Oath is "powerful", but as archetypes go, the only reason I'd play it is because it's got a good shops matchup. Every color has good cards. Green's just pale in comparison to the rest.
Reminder that as shit as white has become, it is the only color in the history of magic to produce a card so degenerate it is banned in every format despite not being a dexterity card or an ante card.
Nohhing can ever take that away.
>>46190902
Elves. Splashes black, but is mono green in the maindeck
>>46190927
Not in 93/94
>>46190902
Elves, which is better than every one of those decks except D&T.
Also
>mud
>black
If we want to get really techical, we can list all of the nonsense stompy decks for each color too, and green even has the best of those in Sylvan Plug.
WHEN IS THE REST OF THE SET
FUCK
I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE LOW CMC UR SPELLS ARE, I HAVE IDEAS
>>46191036
Dragon Stompy is also a way better monored deck than burn.
And moat stompy is by far the most boss stompy
>>46191093
Friday nigga!
>>46190902
>Black
>MUD
No? I don't even know what you could be referring to, did you mean to say mono-colorless?
Also, not only does green have elves, but sylvan plug is significantly more viable than mono-black pox as well.
>>46190840
I'll drink to that. Red is slowly getting love now that it's branching out into the "impulsive plays" (the risky draws, cast or lose, that sort of shit), but it's still the worst color in the game right now. I wish they'd make looting red and give Blue the safer, but more expensive draw spells.
>>46191158
What's more viable? Pox or Juzam Stompy?
>>46190927
Which card?
And here I thought we were in return to Innistrad. Calm down everyone, nothing in this set actually happened, it's clearly an Un-set in disguise.
>>46191185
Shahrazad a.k.a. Mr. Bones' Wild Ride: the card
>>46189557
I'll admit that I don't give a fuck about eternal formats. But given that we are talking about the color pie when it comes to commons printed in standard legal sets, it is easy to see why White seems to get a whole lot over other colors.
Fucking Topan Freeblade still pisses me off. And they get by far the best flyers.
>>46191279
13 has always been a silly subtheme for Innistrad. Personally I wish they would have fun cards like Triskaidekaphobia ALL the time.
>>46191279
THIRTEEN TIMES THIRTEEN
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAhhhh
>>46191120
Dragon Stompy is my jam
>>46191356
Im just joking. Im happy magic still remembers how to make cards fun.
>>46191370
...169?
>>46187411
Underrated post.
>>46191354
Isn't it banned in pretty much every format much like ante card were?
>>46191410
Every format except
>>46191026
>>46191410
Did you even read the reply chain
>>46191473
No.
>>46183515
>only two have flavor text
this triggers the autism
>>46191026
What's that?
