'ere We Go edition
>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Old thread
>>46164874
>>46180428
to be fair I wasn't one of those faggots that made the thread before getting to page 10.
>>46178255 here, continuing from >>46179816 / >>46179841 - another question (also for lorefags, I guess):
Do Deathwatch squads / teams / w/e sometimes recruit Grey Knights / Exorcists?
If yes, how should / can I represent this on the table?
>>46180516
>Grey Knights
No. They do have a GK relic for Exorcists to use, but the Knights are unaware of this and think some Word Bearers stole it.
>>46180469
Just adding the link, bruh. Didn't mean anything by it. Old thread has been at page 10 for a while now. Should die on the next 4-5 shitpost / That Guy / That DM / filename threads.
>>46180545
shouldn't the grey knights be aware of all the exorcist dealings? they're pretty much a successor chapter and deal with daemons
>>46180516
>>46180545
I could see a Grey Knight being a part of the Deathwatch as a Blackshield to maintain secrecy, but even that feels a bit farfetched.
Exorcists or other Inquisition pet chapters shouldn't have the same issues though.
>>46180545
So out of curiosity, how does the Inquisition handle mixed Xeno/Chaos operations / infestations? Or like cases where a Tzeentchian mofo orchestrates some aliens to do crazy shit?
>>46180423
I think this depends on the flyers a lot as well, like Dakkajets are pretty underwhelming, i wouldnt mind seeing them before 1k points
>>46180571
They may be unaware of their existence, or treat them like that one family member you don't think about or see a lot but you still give them a brofist because they're great at fighting daemons/serving the Emperor.
>>46180584
>>46180594
When that happens Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos works together.
Does the Deathwatch Overkill game work with other factions, or is it pretty heavily modified and different than 40k?
>>46180699
free 40k rules on the gw site
What's the story with the obscure Land Raider variants? I've got the parts to make an Ares back when Geedubs said "fuck it, we're gonna make a bunch of Forge World and Apocalypse units Chapter Approved", but I don't know how they fit into the current FoC. Heavy Support? Lords of War?
>>46180723
I think you misunderstood. I'm not asking how to play the deathwatch units in 40k. I'm asking if other 40k units can be played in deathwatch.
>>46180897
no unless you homebrew it, it's a standalone game like space hulk, the assassin game, or the horus heresy game. they're unlikely to add in any dlc or any other models
>>46180699
The game itself has entirely separate rules, but all the models on it are playable in 40k with free rules available from the GW website.
>>46180880
Rules are in Imperial Armour.
>>46180880
Heavy Support. What FoC slot they occupy is denoted in their Imperial Armor entry (I believe it's IA:Vol II? III?) and Land Raiders are Heavy Support.
>>46180880
Ares is currently apoc only since it's most recent rules are the shitty old pdf.
>>46181155
Sm stuff is in IA2
>>46180975
That's kinda what I figured. Maybe when GW makes a sidegame with Tau I'll give a shit.
Can you make a playable deck with just lands?
If you give a winged deamon prince the burning brand of skalathrax does it fill a similar role and function to the old heldrake?
SHIT
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I have to play a 1750 point game vs necrons. To make matters worse, I am playing orks
To REALLY make it worse, the necron player is bringing an escilation book transcendent ctan. Thats right the one with the huge flamer template D, and the fuck you 6d6 str 8 shots at bs 9.
I have decided I am going to build my list to make that model (over half his points) virtually useless and play to the scenario with objectives, targeting all his objective secured units. Sadly this list will ALSO include 12 wraiths.
Here is my idea: 3 CAD's
Weirdboy (second level)
Weirdboy (second level)
Weirdboy (second level)
Warboss (mega armor)
Warboss (mega armor)
Warboss ( bike, lucky stikk, power klaw) warlord
10x slugga boyz
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x slugga boyz
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x slugga boyz, nob, p.klaw
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x shoota boyz
10x shoota boyz
10x gretchen ( would be more but i need em for mek guns and only own 20)
dakkajet
flyboss, extra supa shoota
dakkajet
flyboss, extra supa shoota
Deffkopta, rokkits
Deffkopta, rokkits
Deffkopta, rokkits
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Idea is to stick the ground HQ with a mek gun each, and the warbosses with mega armor can walk forward. I was thinking of rolling on santic for the weirdboyz and hopeing for vortex of doom, but I could drop them and just take 2 more warbosses in mega armor, thought Im sure they will die instantly to the ctan. Mabye start all but the tankbustas, kustom mega kanon mek guns and hqs in reserve and hope to go second and grab as much as possible.
How fucked am I? And is this a better plan than using the bog standard stompa instead, and hopeing to somehow get him before he shoots me to shit (probably round or two at best)
Anyone wanna play on tabletop simulator? My steam is shower_thing
>>46181594
Ur a grot.
BOYZ B4 TOYZ.
Ya need moar boyz, ya zoggin git.
>>46181648
>This is why Ork players lose
>>46181648
>Ya need moar boyz
What part of fuck you im a ctan do you not get?
>>46181648
This has been shit advice since the end of 5th ed. You are living in nostalgia land, grandpa.
>>46181594
>Escalation Tranny Catan
Tell him he's a faggot and to use the updated version of the C'tan in the Codex that they updated for a reason.
It's not going to help you with the rest of his list but gives you some wiggle room to hopefully get those Boyz squads in there to tie up those Wraiths.
>>46181594
Plz Halp, so tired of losing to necrons. I am slowly developing trauma from them.
>>46181513
Depends on the format, but for casual kitchen table, its doable. You'd want to focus most on utility lands. Get things that can turn into creatures or generate tokens so you can get a board presence, and find lands with weird effects to function as spells.
The Zendikar lands with their ETB effects combined with bouncelands to return them could offer some neat tricks.
Of course, this is a question for an MTG thread, not a 40k one.
>>46181762
he says because they never updated or invalidated the escilation book, that they are both legal, and I cannot find anything to deny that or believe me I would never ever ok it again.
>>46181768
>So tired of losing
Here you go
996/1000 point list
ML2 Weirdboy - 70
2x 11 Shoota Boys - 182
>Nob w/ BP
3x Looted Wagon - 246
>Killkannon , 3x Rokkits
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ML2 Weirdboy - 70
2x 11 Shoota Boys - 182
>Nob w/ BP
3x Looted Wagon - 246
>Killkannon , 3x Rokkits
>>46181537
Except its a lower strength weapon, and about 100 points more. And T5.
hows my first conversion going?
hopefully gonna be able to make a dark mech army but its gonna take a fuck ton of money and time
>>46181788
The winning move is to abstain from playing. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish against that attitude?
>>46181854
You need to learn to reduce your image size.
>>46181788
Wow.
Call him a double-faggot then.
The Escalation book doesn't need to be updated: only the unit profile (Transcendent C'tan) needs to be reprinted to considered officially updated.
Jackass is just trying to get a OP-ass unit back that was very distinctly taken down several notches.
It's not like Eldar motherfuckers are arguing for the Wraithknight's previous statline.
If nothing else tell him his penis is small for relying on such a crutch unit for his list to work and to actually face you with a competently built one instead.
>>46181861
Because our local TO has ruled it legal, so rather than never participate again, i would like to find proof its illegal or ways to beat it.
>>46181788
Just don't play him. Tell him you aren't going to play him
>>46181869
did not realise how large the picture was
my bad
>>46181313
Swear to god I remember seeing a .pdf with the 'chapter approved' watermark
>>46181830
Thanks, this is the clarification I needed.
>>46181944
I think your TO is wrong there, but I cannot offer proof.
Only thing you could do is finding out whether your Tournament is using some fanmade rule explanation thingie like ITC or Nova-Open. Then you could email the guys who made that, maybe they can give an answer.
>>46182044
Good conversion, good pose, decent GS. Just fix whatever the fuck is tacked onto his jaw, jesus christ.
>>46181788
Why would you even play against someone like this? And he keeps beating you over and over, yet still wont tone it down?
Come on man, dont play against people like that.
>>46181788
Bring up examples from things like codex:eldar to codex: eldar craftworlds and the validity of old Eldar unit profiles because "the book hasn't been updated" despite the unit entries clearly having done so.
or (steping outside mainstream GW here) old forgeworld publications with old unit profiles that have been updated in newer, but different books.
Basically: only the unit entry must be updated, otherwise things stop working correctly
>>46182068
never noticed how fucked up the face was
cheers
>>46182046
As far as I know this is the only datasheet it ever got.
Besides ever since the advent of the Typhon it became kinda meh
>>46182301
That is a sexy profile, wish chaos had this.
>>46180634
That is understandable and I agree but if you show favoritism or bend rules for one faction and not the other then people get upset. When it comes to a league it is best to blanket everything.
>>46182301
>Fire the main gun
>Can't fire the other 3
Its shit.
>still no dark eldar gf
Is this one of their ways of causing ultimate suffering?
>>46182412
The ultimate suffering would be a window where she can see you and interact with you. But no matter how hard you try, you can never break that barrier and finally feel her skin in your hands and the smell of her hair.
>>46182412
Yes, being in a physical relationship with a dark eldar will certainly involve lots of suffering.
>>46182409
Can PoTMS the assault cannon.
>>46182467
So a long distance relationship.
Grey knights models as Black Templars.
Yay or ney?
>>46182467
Like a model in a displace case?
>>46182586
change the handbolter for a regular arm and the helmets and it should look good
>>46182586
Why would you not use the BT minis?
How many models is too many?
How many guardsmen would your opponent have to put on the table to make you just pack up?
Say you go to your lgs for a pick up game and someone offers an 1850 game and deploys 180 gaurdsmen and 3 tanks, would you play?
>>46182664
I play guard too, sounds like a blast. I guess we'd see who brought more pie plates.
>>46182664
>180 Guardsmen
I turn double that and walk away.On a more serious note, I wouldn't have much issue. I might suggest playing at 1000 points instead in the interest of time though,).
>>46182664
I play chaos renegades, so I'd thoroughly enjoy not fighting space marines or tau for once. An artillery duel to the death.
>>46182361
Being an Apoc unit Chaos had full access
>>46182409
It was always shit. It was for people who liked the idea of a vindicator on roids. Then the Typhon came along with it's even bigger rape cannon and it became worthless
>>46182586
Too much work. probably better off bitz ordering the heads to kitbash with normal marines desu
>>46182664
Eh so long as I wasn't pushed for time I'd play it.
>>46182409
>>46182841
It was good enough back when it was written because Glancing hits could strip weapons so an AV14 Vindicator with 3 extra guns pretty much ensured the cannon made it to firing range and immediately earned its points back. It'd be okay even in 7E since it allows for a roided up Vindicator without needing to take a Lords of War unit, and have people tell you to shove your Typhon up your ass.
>>46183050
The solution then, as now is more vindicators. You could get two decked out with stormbolters and HK missiles for gun protection
>>46183225
This just raises questions of Force Org charts, since I'd be using it with Skitarii allies I'd like to try and remain Battle-Forged for those delicious Crusader and Scout moves the Skitarii get.
I'm trying to figure out a fun CSM list for myself. I'd like it to be fairly strong, but don't plan on making it waac-level competitive. What's the standard point limit btw? 1500 points? If so I'd like it to be 1500p.
What I've come up with so far:
HQ:
Daemon Prince ~250-300p
(either an assault-centric beast, or a psyker-focused one, haven't decided yet)
Troops:
2x10 CSM 390p
with 2 meltas and rhino
Elites:
10 Noise Marines 287p
with 2 Blastmasters and a rhino with a havoc launcher
Heavy Support:
2x 2 Obliterators 304p
with marks of nurgle
it leaves 220-270 points open
any suggestions what to fill said points with? Any comments about the list in general?
>>46183841
I'd try and get another unit or two in rhinos. With just three on the field, you could get de-mech'd pretty quick.
>>46183841
I'm guessing you're going with a winged DP since he's on his own and you don't have any other obvious anti-air.
Forgefiend or a Predator Annihilator wouldn't go astray if you feel like you need extra dakka or anti-tank, respectively. Otherwise a blob of cultists to eat bullets and act as a speed bump for enemy assaulters, it really depends on who you typically play against.
>>46182664
Assault blobs? Or just blob-gunline? Not moving is boring. But then it just means the shooting phase is slow, as opposed to the move and assault phases too.
Is there a pdf of the latest edition of the astra militarum codex?
>>46184231
Should be one in the OP.
>>46184231
Up top in the mega, dude.
I just remembered in an older thread talk about a vidya game about the Magos of that one forge world that used to make anti-Tyranid shells for battleships until the Tau took over it. Are you a bad enough dude to avoid getting captured by Tau and slowly take back your forge world? How would go? I picture it as a fusion between Space Marine and Dues Ex Human Revolution. Final upgrade involves using the face-chainsaw STC.
>>46184254
>>46184260
that link does not work
>>46184231
In addition to the codex from the OP links, also grab "Damocles War Zone Mont'ka" (in the dataslates and supplements subfolder). It contains your decurion metaformation update.
>>46184335
>>46180353
If you're getting that error you're clicking on the Dropbox, which just needs V6 updating to V7 and is STILL the wrong link.
The mega, you dingus.
>>46181854
looks pretty heretical desu, good job
post it again when you've painted it up
>>46183841
If you take a Chaos Lord with Mark of Slaanesh, your Noise Marines gain objective secured.
Also you could try bringing a daemon engine as a heavy hitter.
>>46184447
mega link does not exist either
>>46184604
It's there for me. Just downloaded the mont'ka thing from it (because I wanted to check it was indeed the book with the formations). You haven't got noscript on or anything obvious like that?
>>46184676
i dont think
How do you paint a fucking rhino without a airbrush? Paint clogs up on too large flat surfaces yo.
>>46185001
I've heard of something about paint and thinning but I'm not sure what it was.
I literally just found out the metal pieces on space marine heads are service studs and completely cosmetic. I always imagined they had some purpose in terms of communications or targeting. How canon are these anyway? I don't think I've ever seen any of these used apart from the top right one.
>>46185001
I'd love to know any tips about this, I tried painting a Grey Knight land raider and the paint clumped and is super visible. Not sure how to fix that short of stripping it.
>>46185103
It's a slowly dying tradition. Tarkus and Hairgel have service studs.
>>46185103
>I always thought they were physical contacts for the helmet as part of the Black Carapace
>they're literally just basic medals for X years service
>>46185193
You get one for every century.
>>46185103
Weird how few people seem to know about this.
One of the characters came into our Deathwatch game and would have been 2 centuries old, so I asked if he was wearing studs.
After explaining what they where, he said yeah, but then seemed wildly surprised when the rest of the party expected him to step up for squad lead.
>>46185233
"A stud will represent either 10, 50 or 100 years service, depending on its style and the material it is made from. The Dark Angels Chapter uses silver studs for 50 years of service and gold studs to indicate a full century of service."
>>46185309
So do they take out the silver stud to replace it with the golden one that comes with the first century?
>>46185309
Bjorn and Dante must look like Pinhead.
>>46185001
Try a smaller brush. Also after you spray-prime it, dry brushing can really help.
>>46182301
>putting a demolisher cannon on a land raider
Why don't the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors do this too, they're the ones who are obsessed with heavy firepower and blowing things up.
>>46183941
So even more Marines? I assumed 30 wounds of 3+ armor would be enough as the meat of the army...
>>46183955
Yea yea, winged prince, of course. Are footsloggin ones even viable?
>>46184552
Yea, but is it worth paying close to 100 points for a useless HQ, just to get ObSec on the Noises? They're gonna stay in the backfield anyways. Also isn't their Rhino ObSec anyways?
By daemon engine you mean forge/mauler fiend? Or what?
>>46185357
Bjorn is a cripple piloting a Dreadnought, he's mostly all metal anyway.
If you want to, you could model a huge stud plaque on his Dreadnought with a hundred service studs attached.
>>46185298
It really is a dying tradition.
>>46185357
Dante has no studs with that one picture of him without his armor, and I don't think you could do that to Bjorn now.
>>46185001
>>46185128
THIN YO PAINTS
For real though.
Yes, more.
YES, EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
So thin, that it takes 3-5 layers to fully cover. Use a big brush, but with little paint on it, so it doesn't pool.
POOF smooth finish
>>46185437
Here's the picture of him.
>>46185391
I wasn't thinking suitability so much as maneuverability. If they take out the transports, the whole army is stuck on foot.
>>46185603
he wears his studs on his robe's collar?
>>46185341
Since most militaries don't 'replace' long service medals, you'd probably get (for example) a steel stud for 10 years, silver stud for 50 years, a gold stud for 100, and THEN if you make it to 200 you might get your steel replaced with a gold stud and so on. Oldest non-dread Marines are around 300 years old, and you'd know at a glance because of 3 gold studs in his temple.
>>46185357
I'm wondering if they go through increasingly precious metals with longer and longer periods, and display only the 3 most prestigious.
>Platinum for 500 years service
>White Rhodium for 3000 years service
>Bjorn has a Depleted Uranium stud to honour his extreme longevity
>>46185724
Let's just say that in the 41st Millenium a Prince Albert is called a Prince Dante. I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.
>>46185603
Left temple seems to be the traditional spot and it's not exactly visible. Obviously he's not festooned with the damn things but he might still have some.
Are there any good pictures of Orlanius the pious?
or at least what his Deathmask looks like
>>46185812
>Oldest non-dread Marines are around 300 years old, and you'd know at a glance because of 3 gold studs in his temple
Dante says that's cute. Even other Bangles think he's older than 1100.
>>46185863
Another picture. Sorry for the quality and size.
>>46185970
Dante, Bjorn and Grimnar are pretty much the exceptions, everyone else seems to only make it to 350 at best before something fatal catches up with them. Even Lysander is only about 200 years old, not including his 1000 year jump forward in time.
>>46186083
That Ultramarine Chaplin that really hates Nids is 650 I think.
>>46186247
Cassisus is not quite 400 and is notable for being the oldest serving Ultramarine
>>46186083
I believe Ulrik and Grimanr are 700-ish, and Asmodai was promoted out of 7th Company in the early 400's, so he's got to be around there too.
>>46186328
Could have sworn he was 650.
>>46186359
Ulrik is older than Logan.
>>46186328
They have to have dreads older then then that right?
>>46186394
Well then, I believe one of them is 700-ish, and if it's Logan, that makes Ulrik even older yet.
>>46186408
The RG have a 5000 year old dread, but as for the Ultras no clue.
>>46186447
He's probably near 900.
So, my friends want me to get into 40k. I originally wanted to play Necrons, but we already have someone dedicated to them, so that was out. They suggest SPESS Elves
Thoughts?
So I play Tyranids and I need an option to deal with my necron opponent who fields 2 monoliths and just recently bought an obelisk. I've been thinking of getting hive guard and giving them shockcannons for the haywire attack, but people say that they suck outside of that anti-vehicle role. Should I go ahead with it since I need the specialty, or is there a better option?
>>46186359
>>46186394
>>46186447
Both Ulrik and Logan are listed as "over 700" and that Ulrik is the older of the two.
>>46186541
Play Oldcrons.
>>46186408
They may have had older dreads that have since been killed in action. If you're lucky enough to get stuffed in a Dread it means somebody died to vacate that sarcophagus.
>>46186585
The better option would be to tell your friend to stop being an asshole.
>>46186541
> I originally wanted to play Necrons
Play Necrons then you tard. It is your army, and if you're not playing what you want why play at all? If someone wants to place Eldar then they can damn well buy an Eldar army themselves, you're not there to fill a quota.
>>46186585
> but people say that they suck outside of that anti-vehicle role
Good thing you're taking them to counter those pesky Vehicles then aren't ya.
>>46186541
eldar are massive homos go something else like Orks or Chaos
but if you really want to play eldar get some of these and make em regret it
>>46186659
I have.
He also runs an annihilation barge and a doomsday ark, camps them with their backs to the table edge so my flyrant can't 1-shot them, then drops pie-plates all over the table. I gotta break that damn quantum shielding somehow.
>>46186247
>>46186328
>>46186359
>>46186394
>>46186447
>>46186494
>>46186589
Regarding my "350 years" comment, there were more exceptions that I didn't know of, but you'll notice that they're all high-ranking Chaplains and Chapter Masters. I can't remember where exactly I read it but the context was an article discussing whether Marine physiology made them truly immortal, and it was hard to say since most Marines wouldn't make it to 350 before being killed in action.
>>46186829
Horus Rising mentioned unless killed marines will live forever. It may all depend on if they age well, geneseed quality, and if they don't suffer geneseed failure.
>>46186723
>quantum shielding
I went against Necrons for the first time recently and this screwed me [/spoiler]as Eldar[/spoiler]
>>46181854
Is that really your first time working with greenstuff? Holy shit I'm jelly.
I recently got the Dark Vengeance set that comes with a force of Dark Angels and a force of Chaos Space Marines, but I don't understand any of the lore behind them.
Are "chaos" marines literally just "lol so evil" badguys or what? They look cool like mad-max style with random spikes and skulls, but I don't get what makes them really that different from the other humans in their suits of armor?
Also, why do future space warriors even bother to fight each other with melee weapons? Why don't they just lob nukes at the enemy forces from across the solar system and be done with it?
Sorry if this is "heresy" or whatever but nothing is explained in the books that came with the Dark Vengeance set other than "war... war never changes"
>>46187602
![150[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rNl2g5s.jpg "150[1].jpg")
>>46187602
On the outside possibility that you're not a troll
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperium
for a potted history of the setting.
You hit people with melee weapons because the spirit of the 80s lives on, and because clearing people out of the stuff you want to have back can't be done with nukes.
>>46187602
The first half of every codex(name for 40k rulebook) has lore and background for their faction. You can find them in the megaupload in the OP.
It's not "lol randum" chaos, Chaos is the name for the demonic powers and that live in the Warp. Which is an alternate dimension that is home to the 4 chaos god and their demons that want to destroy of corrupt pretty much all life.
>>46187602
Chaos Space Marines are basically the same as the "good" ones, but they have chosen to fight for the Chaos Gods instead of the Emperor.
The reason for doing this are many. Their chapter may have been unjustly accused of something and joining the chaos gods was the only option other then death, or they wanted power and thought that they way of Chaos was the easiest one. The reasons are many, but for the most part they end up crazy and horribly mutated because of the power of the Dark Gods
Regarding instead the use of melee weapons, it's because it's cool, really. There aren't really many reasons in the actual lore for the existence of melee, it's just awesome and fun, and Warhammer 40k was created, and is still for the most part, to be about crazy and awesome battles between demi-gods that doesn't really make much sense if you want to search a deeper meaning or reason for it
>>46180353
Anyone else remember the days when the worst thing to worry about facing on the table was a T5 obliterator? And every character's special rule was a mastercrafted weapon. How I miss those days.
Post yfw Tyranid codex drops andHive Tyrants become unique
>>46187602
Please read codices, they're in the OP links. As for Chaos Space Marines let me sum it up: space marines who have turned away from all that is holy and sold their souls into slavery to darkness. They're slaves no matter how high they rise.
>>46187879
I just hope they retcon the stupid Swarmlord already.
>>46185382
Because they don't need to, they already have that firepower mounted on vindicators. DW did it because they couldn;t call in the usual guns since they aren't in on the secret
>>46186408
Leviathans and Contemptors still exist in tiny numbers and are almost exclusively as old as the Heresy.
Or were you talking about the pilots?
>>46187879
They'll just make Hive Tyrants a GC and make Carnifexes the new Flyrants.
Either that or continue the downward spiral.
Is appreciating the Sisters Repentia heresy?
>>46185103
>How canon are these anyway?
They're as canon as you can get. They still appear on new models, but usually only 1 or 2 max, and they are always the round kind on the eyebrow. You can see them on any marine kit that comes with bald sergeants, like for terminators or tacticals.
>>46186541
Eldar have some really overpowered stuff, stay away from Strength D-1 flamer infantry, scatter laser bike spam, and the alternate lists that give all your aspect warriors BS5, unless you really want to piss people off or unless your friends are bringing really hardcore cheese lists too.
>>46188267
Reminder that Sisters aren't bound by celibacy.
>>46185103
>How canon are these anyway?
As canon as Space Marines themselves, look at the latest marine minies. Veteran Titus here has just completed his first century of service, while the other old fuck is just over 200 years.
>>46188337
>you will never be dommed by a Mistress of Repentence
feels bad
![dark_angle_by_ameeeeba-d7tc1e9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/E5y1jcD.jpg "dark_angle_by_ameeeeba-d7tc1e9[1].jpg")
>>46182301
> Distant planet Murus
> Laying siege to a planet literally named 'Wall'
Classic Dark Angels
>>46188431
Reminder that the people she whips have Feel No Pain.
>>46188523
bruh those are neural whips, they're for enemies not for sisters, they cut through power armor like butter,
>>46182301
>>46188433
Was one of the Fallen Angels named Trump?
>>46188267
>>46188337
>>46188431
Speaking of the sisters, when was the last time GW actually manufactured those models? Any chance they'll make new ones in the future? I love the sister's flavor but their models look a bit too retro for my tastes.
>>46188612
>when was the last time GW actually manufactured those models?
97 I think.
>>46181721
Since the end of 4th.
>>46188688
>Sisters were nearly a decade old when I started the hobby
WTF
So I just found one of the old Pulsa Rokkits with a grot crew. Obviously, while absolutely fun and had it had the coolest scatter rules, I can't use the old Pulsa Rokkit rules. Also, the newer apocalypse Pulsa Rokkit is completely bonkers and I can't use that for regular games.
Should I just run it "counts as" one of the upgraded Mek Gunz or should I put it back and merely remember the days of cutting fuses and still watching it fly off the board?
>>46188863
Welcome to the waiting game
>>46188878
What you should do is make it an objective piece that you have to hold for two turns, if you hold it for two turns then it fires using the old Pulsa Rokkit rules.
>>46185382
The iron warriors did it far before the dark angels were even green. Except they did it even better and called it a typhon.
>>46188925
Like, even then I was looking at getting them and went for an army that had literally any plastic in the range (Eldar at the time).
I'm collecting marines now, but I stand by what I said when I emailed GW and said that if they release plastic sisters I will buy a battleforce, minimum.
>>46188688
2004 was when Celestine and some of the more feminine looking minis released.
>>46188878
Put it on the back of a trukk (old style would work better) and use it as a grot bomm. S8 AP3 twin linked one shot at something on a <50 points buggy platform IIRC.
>>46188950
I like that. Actually, I really like that.
>You aren't going to stop me from getting the rokkit?
>Why would I? Even if you fire it, it's not going to hit anything. And even if you somehow do, what happens? I go to ground?
>I-I'll show you!
*rokkit scatters 12+6D6 away*
Are the dark angels good for new players? Ive got a bunch that i already painted up, been reading the rules, havent read their codex yet or played a game at all
>>46189155
People seem to forget what Warhammer is meant to be.
It is a role playing Wargame, you can play anything you want and any scenario just as long as you both agree. And why the fuck wouldn't you? It's meant to be fun and scenario based.
>>46189155
Fuck, you can even fluff out the needing two turns to hold it as requiring one turn to turn the rokkit in the direction you want it to fire.
>>46189155
This would actually be a fun as fuck weapon. Force pinning tests, Stun vehicle crews, and there are now rules for occupants of destroyed fortifications. Not super damaging but could royally fuck up your plans for a turn.
>>46189155
>you will never lob a pulsa rokkit into a gunline to make them go to ground and stun vehicle crews to get your boyz the time they need to get there
>>46189840
>They strike first and win combat anyway because I2
Best Leman russ layout?
If I want to run an Ulthwé footdar army with Black Guardians, what's the best way to represent that?
Storm Guardians loaded to the tits with shit from the decurion bonuses? Or counts-as Dire Avengers using Guardian models?
>>46190028
I'd say storm guardians with special weapons
So where did the fuck all amounts of plasma weapons come from when speaking of Dark angels war gear.
>>46189195
>its meant to be fun and scenario based
That used to be true. Now its not meant to be anything except a tool to sell models.
exhibit A: formations
>>46188688
some of their sculpts are dated at 2002, I think Celestine may have that on her too
>>46190016
Probably stock battle cannon.
>>46190016
Barebones Battle tank is a good AT option while forcing MEQs to keep their head down.
Though my favourite is the Eradicator for all those armies that don't do MEQ.
>>46190016
vanilla LRBT
>>46190016
I'd say...
Pask Executioner w/ plasma sponson
-Punisher w/ triple heavy bolter for squadmate
I'm just getting back into 40k and I really want to make a Death Korps of Krieg army.
Will most people be fine with me using their rules in IA 7? Back when I used to play, there was a bit of a stigma around Forge World shit, but it seems to have changed recently.
>>46190052
That's basically what I am leaning towards too
At 1000 pts I could do the following
Guardian Stormhost, 860 pts
>Jetseer with singing spear
>Warlock Conclave (4 Warlocks, 2 of which have SS)
>2x Scatter Laser War Walkers
>1x twin Shuriken Cannon Vyper
>Vaul's Wrath Support Battery (1x Shadow Weaver)
>3 units of 10 Storm Guardians, each with 2 power weapons, a Warlock with SS. Probably run 2 units with 2x fusion guns and 1 unit with 2x flamers.
Auxiliaries - Engines of Vaul 140 pts
>Fire Prism with holo fields
I'm pretty sure I'd usually die badly, but maybe the fleet + warlocks would serve to get at least 1 unit across the field. Kek. The Farseer + Conclave would be the focal point for everything, probably move across in a giant mass with the Guardians, vehicle would go blow shit, ?????, profit
I actually have no idea what I'm doing, having never even played against Eldar before, but Black Guardians are too cool to not use
>>46190065
First Legion. They got to test out all of the goodies during the Crusade.
>>46190016
Eradicator with 3 heavy bolters and a heavy stubber, butchers infantry and brings down MEQs through weight of fire.
>>46190261
I'd try to build a Krieg Army that can work in both Forge World and Vanilla options. It's hard to imagine a scenario where a bunch of kreigsman and magnetized Leman Russes couldn't be quickswapped for a 6th edition IG army list. You only real problem would probably be the CAATs and wutnot.
Never assume your players will like your obscure-er rules army. They might think your using that army because you want to get an advantage on them, and having a standby army list to prove your not that kinda player (and, you know, let you play) is always helpful.
>>46190016
A Malcador.
>>46190211
Maybe flip this around.
A Pask Punisher w/ Bolter sponsors gets rending, and so can kill vehicles on a 6 with 29 shots per turn great for infantry and vehicle killing.
The Executioner w/ plasma sponson squadmate is in the same unit and thus has the old grudges-induced preferred enemy rule. This means the executioner will get to re roll ones which means a mere 5 in 36 chance of Get's Hot! each turn.
>>46190530
Only the Punisher cannon gets rending. The sponsons should be Multi-Meltas and the hull gun should be a Lascannon.
Combined with Preferred Enemy, it's the best MC killer IG have and nearly auto-kills all vehicles.
>>46180353
The fluff doesn't have much detail on the Crone World Eldar. The most detail I ever found was in the novel Atlas Infernal, where some scenes occured on a crone world marketplace run by chaos mutated eldar.
So I must make stuff up myself and I wanted your critique.
Serving chaos is not a viable option for Eldar. Their souls are just too tasty. A dark eldar who gets his soul eaten from starvation becomes a zombie-like husk, forever wandering in search of souls to eat and an easy puppet for any nearby daemons. All the Eldar that survived having their souls eaten during the fall of the empire became such husks.
Eldar born in the Eye of Terror afterward are quite different. These are the true crone world eldar. Remember those rumors about Mandrakes being half-daemon or chaos mutated? For the crone world eldar that's the case, hence why they aren't immediately eaten. Their mixed fleshy/daemonic nature makes it difficult for them to survive outside the Eye of Terror, hence their rarity outside it.
The crone world eldar have an antagonistic relationship with the uncorrupted eldar. The crone worlders consider themselves the true inheritors of the eldar empire and seek to restore it. The uncorrupted do not acknowledge their existence.
The crone world eldar have an antagonistic relationship with Slaanesh. Slaanesh doesn't tolerate chaos eldar having free will and seeks to enslave them at every opportunity. (This is also to avoid thematic overlap with dark eldar.) The other chaos gods are all too happy to hire them. A fourth faction serve an heretofore unknown "order god" and are basically the cenobites from Hellraiser, torturing themselves and everyone they come across to purge the taint of chaos.
Thoughts?
>>46190390
The only time I've felt this loadout underperform was against grey knights. If you give it plasma sponsons that problem is solved and becomes an amazing all-comers tank for the same price as the main leman
I just run Leman Russ Demolishers in my Meta. It seems that everyone at my treat troops as tax and shove as many broken things as possible on the table.
>>46190664
Good point, was just rereading the rules and saw that. So the "Best" Leman Russ Combo assuming no points limit is:
Pask Punisher w/ Lascannon, Melta Sponsons
Squadmate Executioner w/ Plasma Sponsons
>>46190779
>assuming no points limit is:
Efficiency per points is always a factor. Otherwise you're just answering "which Leman Russ setup is the most expensive?".
>>46189979
>they kill 10% of your Boyz first and then you wipe the unit because you weren't retarded and didn't charge CC monsters or troops like khorne berserkers
Ftfy
>>46190865
>because you weren't retarded and didn't charge CC monsters or troops like khorne berserkers
As apposed to doing what? shooting them with your amazing
>BS 2
>>46190817 True
In the example above, I could take a lascannon on the LR Executioner, and add another Leman Russ, but I think the extra lascannon and LR would be unlikely to contribute anything extra to the utter ludricousness that is BS4-20-Shot-Rending-Lascannon-Melta-Gun Tank with Quintuple-Plasma-Rerolling Ally Capable of splitfire. Even if that extra LR was another Executioner.
>>46181854
BROTHEEEER
>>46190889
I hope you realize any ork player worth his teef uses boyz as troop choice tax and nothing else, taking maybe 1 unit of boyz or 2 grots.
Everything else can kill well. Tankbustas, Lootas, Dakkajets, SAGS, Killcannons and warbuggies are examples of effective and cheap units that will actually.
instead of having a "worry on whether you'll hit and wound" worry instead on "wheter ill hit, but Im str 6+ so im wounding on twos anyways
>>46190740
>chaos eldar fluff
There's some choice bits.
>>46190740
>>46191252
Eldar may fall to Chaos, but seem to become nearly mindless killing/fucking machines in the process.
>>46191252
Sounds like some Eldar want to discourage certain entrepreneurial 'Outcasts' from running guided tours through dead worlds for the human denizens of the Imperium and some Chaos worlds.
Oh my freaking god. I would kill for GW to host a campaign revolving around a Eldar or Imperial (hell, even Eldar-Imperial ally) counterattack to take back the remainder of Cadia and a few other worlds besides, because the eldar want more soulstones. Then they end up fighting some freaking CHAOS ELDAR! Then we throw in the dark eldar for more fun.
Or how about a new codex: Choas Eldar? A third Eldar Faction with elements of Slaneesh? As an IG player I say hell no, but as a fan of fluff and modeling? Hell freaking yes!
![fd6fbcd68e4593cc535f063b192146a8-d6ld50e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZXGNWCd.jpg "fd6fbcd68e4593cc535f063b192146a8-d6ld50e[1].jpg")
>>46191305
>Eldar may fall to Chaos, but seem to become Elric in the process.
>>46191252
>>46191305
Aren't they also some of the meanest gits Chaos has in service too?
>>46191416
Chaos Eldar are basically all Chaos Lord tier though. Only those with a lot of potential, favor, and psychic power manage to actually bargain themselves into a useful position.
A Chaos Eldar codex would basically just add Crone world Eldar as an Independent character choice to ally with CSM or Daemons.
>>46191608
They already have predators.
>>46191608
Not necessarily. The crone worlders in Atlas Infernal were pretty banal. They ran a market for relic hunters.
The real problem with Crone World Eldar is that they have thematic overlap with Dark Eldar. They both have the shtick being insanely evil. Crone Worlders just add mutations and daemons to the mix.
>>46191637
Now all I can envision is a chaos eldar predator. Not the tank but a striking scorpion style crone world eldar.
>>46180353
On worlds lit by the cold rays of dying suns, located in the extreme northeast of the known galaxy, lie the Ghoul Stars, a realm where creatures tread out of a primal nightmare. Within this loathsome part of the galaxy are creatures so alien they seem to be born out of the supernatural. Yet even here, one horror outpaces all others; the Jazz Kingdom of Drazak, the haunt of the Playing Ones. These fiendish creatures stalk through Drazak's desolate jazz bars, fighting over instruments of clear tone and deep timber, desperate to sate their musical senses. Only one amongst the planet's entire population has stood apart from the pervading jazz madness of its denizens -- Valgûl, the Harmonica Lord. From his throne of splintered guitars and rusted saxophones, Valgûl rules over this charnel kingdom, his one good harmonica ever playing upon retaining what small jazzy measure of musical order he can.
>spooky dooky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcSuJi1b0OU
>>46191724
You waaaaants to kit bash it! You neeeeeeeds to kitbash it!
>>46191724
>>46191763
Valgûl seemingly remains untouched by the Playing virus that has consumed his people, but no truly sane creature would willingly play jazz for the gibbering Flayed Ones. It is not known if Valgûl remains out of a sense of musical duty, or maybe he is afflicted by a personal madness which has taken another, more subtle, form. Perhaps, it is the memory of the warmth of music, which once filled now soulless body.
>>46191498
Before the mighty Inquisition all of mankind's enemy are bitches to be slapped. Also the eldar developed wraithknights to help their trips into the eye of terror and their forts there, though I don't think it mentions the chaos eldar.
>>46191763
Jazz doesn't fit crons, too much improve and swinging notes. 'Crons would be more suited to classical or other orchestral music.
>>46190740
>This is also to avoid thematic overlap with dark eldar.
Dark Eldar aren't chaos worshipers or enslaved by Slaanesh, so there isn't any overlap there anyway.
>>46191823
>>46191763
Other Necrons loathe the Playing Ones, for they fear they will contract the terrible music they play. Any Necron suspected of harbouring the Player infection is banished or destroyed before it can open any jazz bars in the tomb world. However, the Necrons can never prevent a pack of Playing Ones joining a battle already underway -- they can materialise from their pocket dimension at any time, hunting in search of needing ears, and perfect acoustics. They will commonly play instruments with little regard for their listeners, wreathed in rotted instruments. Flayed Ones indicate no awareness of the sour notes given off by the broken instruments and grotesque sheet music with which they adorn themselves, typically keeping such scraps upon themselves until completely decayed. They are not suicidal, however. If the enemy is too tough a crowd, they will await the perfect moment to play a sad song; if the enemy cries tears of musical joy, they rarely pursue, preferring to opening jazz bars upon the flesh of the fallen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWooB4tpQ9I
>>46191861the irony is that jazz has the most "soul"
>>46187879
My nids just got the shit kicked out of them by necrons.
Deathmarks do 10 wounds against a hive tyrant with a 2+ jink -> 4 failures. Shrikes charge deathmarks, dealing 5 rends and 6 ap- wounds - kill one necron.
C'tan blows up and kills 11 Gargs on the way out.
Rough day for the hive mind.
>>46191894
No overlap with spiky, torture-and-decadence crazy space elves?
It's a design niche that it would be hard to make distinctive for anyone not already familiar with fluff.
>>46191941
>>46191823
>>46191763
"Through technology we thought to defeat the natural order. But the onset of eternity cannot be denied forever: the universe will see us humbled for our presumption. Yet its methods of attack are limited. We long ago removed our bodies from mortality's grasp and bartered away our souls for technological baubles and the trappings of power. Our minds, then, are all that remains for us to lose, and it is here that the next stroke against us will fall. Though our individual afflictions may take different forms, sooner or later we will all be lost to madness."
— Szarekh, Last of the Jazz Kings
>>46191724
>>46191793
It must be done.
>>46191806
>mfw
>>46191861
I have heard that Chaos Eldar are OP and I have seen some fluff about them being among some of the most powerful servants of Chaos.
>>46191966
Sounds like you got the shit kicked out of you by dice more than anything.
>>46180353
>mfw the emperor is a man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB5PHxHxq-M
>>46191941
oh wait i get it now, necrons turned into crazy jazz players. strangely fitting
>>46191991
eldar operate on a different leveling scale to put it in videogame terms. though chaos scales from unwilling/corrupted < cultist < possessed < daemon prince
![BkXY2Zb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2xdkNSp.png "BkXY2Zb[1].png")
>>46192020
>>46188612
get gud. Just sculpt your own with greenstuff like this guy.
http://www.thediceabide.com/2016/02/lvo-2016-obis-award-winning-army/
I'm coming from Orks and starting space marines.
I'm told they're a really top tier army but it makes me wonder, do they have any bad units? I mean sure there are sub-optimal choices but I'm not looking to win a tournament here.
I heard assault marines are not that good but they look amazing when compared to my boys and two flame throwers for 10 points on jump infantry looks brutal.
>>46191991
I can imagine a typical Chaos Farseer giving any Traitor Primarch a run for his money.
>>46186723
zonethropes are you best bet honesty its how i deal with my freinds obby and monoliths
youll need to get them close tho so youll need to either put them in a space zit and smack it close to them or take them via a trygon tunnel or you could outflank them with hive commander
apart from that exocrines are semi effective but not amazing (24' range str 7 ap2 6 shots)
or you could throw fex's at them but you have to deal with getting them in cc distance and thats not exactly easy
dont even bother with a tfex
>>46186585
Shrouded Carnifexes are your best bet. or ignore them while they blow everything up.
Necrons are so tough.
>>46192052
Typically anyone stuck using bolters are bad. Devastators are considered tax troops. You probably don't want to field tanks unless its a Land Raider. Scouts without sniper rifles are absolutely useless.
how to fix Deathwing, /tg/? should some hefty formations be enough, or do terminators in themselves need some rework?
>>46186585
Mass MC's are the best way to deal with crons.
>>46192092
Zoanthropes are so much fun.
First you roll to manifest WarpBlast.
Then your opponent rolls to dispel.
Then you roll to hit on a 3.
Then you roll to glance on a 2.
Then you opponent take a cover save (maybe)
That's a lot of dice pools, anon.
What ork forgeworld thing is the best to paint and play
>>46192043
Meet Sad Joe,
at least,
that was his name
long ago.
For while the C'Tan devoured his soul,
and for all the milennia he slept,
his love of jazz never grew old.
And so Sad Joe wept,
but no emotion showed.
But Oh! Did he find,
a trifle peace of mind,
an harmonica of perfect tone,
the protocols not written in stone,
unchanging, Sad Joe played
and though his mind was waining
what tune he maked.
>>46190740
Chaos Eldar may be divided into two groups: Slaanesh's puppets/victims and everyone else. The former include Elric-style champions, resurrected pleasure slaves, and starved husks wandering Low Commorragh; they have pretty much no will of their own. The latter include those seen in Atlas Infernal, mutated freaks who somehow maintain a semblance of civilization.
>>46192305
I cry for Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PKzz81m5c
>>46192261
>WAAAAAA I hit on a 3
>WAAAAA I only glance on a 2
>WAAAAA my opponent gets to do something
>>46192305
>>46192406
Throughout the tomb complex, broken minds attempt to sing the ballad of Joe, but their fractured consciences cannot Jazz no more...
https://youtu.be/VcDy8HEg1QY
>>46192509
>Cotton Eye Joe
>From his throne of splintered bone and tanned skin, Valgûl rules over this charnel kingdom, his one good eye ever fixed upon retaining what small measure of order he can.
>his one good eye
>eye
The necrons are feasting with this in the background.
>>46192261
>complaining about warp abilities
So say I wanted an army the polar opposite to my chaos daemons (no armor, psychic powers, warp storm, little to no shooting, assault heavy, fast) would i get necrons or tau?
>>46192598
Space Marines.
Grey Knights
>>46192598
>>46192612
Oldcrons were immune to warp fuckery. I don't know about Newcron lore.
>>46192598
Tau or space marines.
The polar opposite though? Daemons always have a save and have amazing stats across the board on everything, their opposite would be an army that's shit at everything likeOrks.
>>46192214
As sad as it sounds, but playing DW out of Strike Force Ultra is the way to go. You lose DWK but the new version is meh anyways and bs2 overwatch/twin-link after DS, but gain 5 point cheaper terminators, land raiders, much better formation benefits and an army that doesn't autolose turn 1.
>>46192626
Newcron is trash babby tier egyptaboo
>Their numbers are legion, their name is death.
Now they are a ridiculous parody of poor attempts to copy Game of Thrones material.
>>46191687
I say, if we can have 5 (FIVE) separate Space Marine codices, as part of 11 (ELEVEN) Imperial Codices, there's nothing wrong with the second biggest faction have 4 codices (Craftworld, Harlequins, Dark, and Croneworld). Heck, I had already been considering the matter with a Harlequin-sized "Exodite" eldar codex.
>>46192784
More eldar? Please no, I dont want any more basic infantry with D guns or other broken shit.
>>46192784
>Eldar
>biggest anything
You would have a better argument for Orks, Imperial Guard, or Chaos legions.
Are greenskins or humans more numerous in the galaxy?
>>46192750
it's been 5 years, stop whining about newcrons and pokemon
