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>FAQs
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>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
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>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
Old thread
>>46164874
>>46180428
to be fair I wasn't one of those faggots that made the thread before getting to page 10.
>>46178255 here, continuing from >>46179816 / >>46179841 - another question (also for lorefags, I guess):
Do Deathwatch squads / teams / w/e sometimes recruit Grey Knights / Exorcists?
If yes, how should / can I represent this on the table?
>>46180516
>Grey Knights
No. They do have a GK relic for Exorcists to use, but the Knights are unaware of this and think some Word Bearers stole it.
>>46180469
Just adding the link, bruh. Didn't mean anything by it. Old thread has been at page 10 for a while now. Should die on the next 4-5 shitpost / That Guy / That DM / filename threads.
>>46180545
shouldn't the grey knights be aware of all the exorcist dealings? they're pretty much a successor chapter and deal with daemons
>>46180516
>>46180545
I could see a Grey Knight being a part of the Deathwatch as a Blackshield to maintain secrecy, but even that feels a bit farfetched.
Exorcists or other Inquisition pet chapters shouldn't have the same issues though.
>>46180545
So out of curiosity, how does the Inquisition handle mixed Xeno/Chaos operations / infestations? Or like cases where a Tzeentchian mofo orchestrates some aliens to do crazy shit?
>>46180423
I think this depends on the flyers a lot as well, like Dakkajets are pretty underwhelming, i wouldnt mind seeing them before 1k points
>>46180571
They may be unaware of their existence, or treat them like that one family member you don't think about or see a lot but you still give them a brofist because they're great at fighting daemons/serving the Emperor.
>>46180584
>>46180594
When that happens Ordo Malleus and Ordo Xenos works together.
Does the Deathwatch Overkill game work with other factions, or is it pretty heavily modified and different than 40k?
>>46180699
free 40k rules on the gw site
What's the story with the obscure Land Raider variants? I've got the parts to make an Ares back when Geedubs said "fuck it, we're gonna make a bunch of Forge World and Apocalypse units Chapter Approved", but I don't know how they fit into the current FoC. Heavy Support? Lords of War?
>>46180723
I think you misunderstood. I'm not asking how to play the deathwatch units in 40k. I'm asking if other 40k units can be played in deathwatch.
>>46180897
no unless you homebrew it, it's a standalone game like space hulk, the assassin game, or the horus heresy game. they're unlikely to add in any dlc or any other models
>>46180699
The game itself has entirely separate rules, but all the models on it are playable in 40k with free rules available from the GW website.
>>46180880
Rules are in Imperial Armour.
>>46180880
Heavy Support. What FoC slot they occupy is denoted in their Imperial Armor entry (I believe it's IA:Vol II? III?) and Land Raiders are Heavy Support.
>>46180880
Ares is currently apoc only since it's most recent rules are the shitty old pdf.
>>46181155
Sm stuff is in IA2
>>46180975
That's kinda what I figured. Maybe when GW makes a sidegame with Tau I'll give a shit.
Can you make a playable deck with just lands?
If you give a winged deamon prince the burning brand of skalathrax does it fill a similar role and function to the old heldrake?
SHIT
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I have to play a 1750 point game vs necrons. To make matters worse, I am playing orks
To REALLY make it worse, the necron player is bringing an escilation book transcendent ctan. Thats right the one with the huge flamer template D, and the fuck you 6d6 str 8 shots at bs 9.
I have decided I am going to build my list to make that model (over half his points) virtually useless and play to the scenario with objectives, targeting all his objective secured units. Sadly this list will ALSO include 12 wraiths.
Here is my idea: 3 CAD's
Weirdboy (second level)
Weirdboy (second level)
Weirdboy (second level)
Warboss (mega armor)
Warboss (mega armor)
Warboss ( bike, lucky stikk, power klaw) warlord
10x slugga boyz
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x slugga boyz
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x slugga boyz, nob, p.klaw
Trukk, rokkit, ram
10x shoota boyz
10x shoota boyz
10x gretchen ( would be more but i need em for mek guns and only own 20)
dakkajet
flyboss, extra supa shoota
dakkajet
flyboss, extra supa shoota
Deffkopta, rokkits
Deffkopta, rokkits
Deffkopta, rokkits
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
6x Tankbustas
Trukk, rokkit, ram
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Mek gun, kustom mega kannon
Idea is to stick the ground HQ with a mek gun each, and the warbosses with mega armor can walk forward. I was thinking of rolling on santic for the weirdboyz and hopeing for vortex of doom, but I could drop them and just take 2 more warbosses in mega armor, thought Im sure they will die instantly to the ctan. Mabye start all but the tankbustas, kustom mega kanon mek guns and hqs in reserve and hope to go second and grab as much as possible.
How fucked am I? And is this a better plan than using the bog standard stompa instead, and hopeing to somehow get him before he shoots me to shit (probably round or two at best)
Anyone wanna play on tabletop simulator? My steam is shower_thing
>>46181594
Ur a grot.
BOYZ B4 TOYZ.
Ya need moar boyz, ya zoggin git.
>>46181648
>This is why Ork players lose
>>46181648
>Ya need moar boyz
What part of fuck you im a ctan do you not get?
>>46181648
This has been shit advice since the end of 5th ed. You are living in nostalgia land, grandpa.
>>46181594
>Escalation Tranny Catan
Tell him he's a faggot and to use the updated version of the C'tan in the Codex that they updated for a reason.
It's not going to help you with the rest of his list but gives you some wiggle room to hopefully get those Boyz squads in there to tie up those Wraiths.
>>46181594
Plz Halp, so tired of losing to necrons. I am slowly developing trauma from them.
>>46181513
Depends on the format, but for casual kitchen table, its doable. You'd want to focus most on utility lands. Get things that can turn into creatures or generate tokens so you can get a board presence, and find lands with weird effects to function as spells.
The Zendikar lands with their ETB effects combined with bouncelands to return them could offer some neat tricks.
Of course, this is a question for an MTG thread, not a 40k one.
>>46181762
he says because they never updated or invalidated the escilation book, that they are both legal, and I cannot find anything to deny that or believe me I would never ever ok it again.
>>46181768
>So tired of losing
Here you go
996/1000 point list
ML2 Weirdboy - 70
2x 11 Shoota Boys - 182
>Nob w/ BP
3x Looted Wagon - 246
>Killkannon , 3x Rokkits
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ML2 Weirdboy - 70
2x 11 Shoota Boys - 182
>Nob w/ BP
3x Looted Wagon - 246
>Killkannon , 3x Rokkits
>>46181537
Except its a lower strength weapon, and about 100 points more. And T5.
hows my first conversion going?
hopefully gonna be able to make a dark mech army but its gonna take a fuck ton of money and time
>>46181788
The winning move is to abstain from playing. Honestly, what are you trying to accomplish against that attitude?
>>46181854
You need to learn to reduce your image size.
>>46181788
Wow.
Call him a double-faggot then.
The Escalation book doesn't need to be updated: only the unit profile (Transcendent C'tan) needs to be reprinted to considered officially updated.
Jackass is just trying to get a OP-ass unit back that was very distinctly taken down several notches.
It's not like Eldar motherfuckers are arguing for the Wraithknight's previous statline.
If nothing else tell him his penis is small for relying on such a crutch unit for his list to work and to actually face you with a competently built one instead.
>>46181861
Because our local TO has ruled it legal, so rather than never participate again, i would like to find proof its illegal or ways to beat it.
>>46181788
Just don't play him. Tell him you aren't going to play him
>>46181869
did not realise how large the picture was
my bad
>>46181313
Swear to god I remember seeing a .pdf with the 'chapter approved' watermark
>>46181830
Thanks, this is the clarification I needed.
>>46181944
I think your TO is wrong there, but I cannot offer proof.
Only thing you could do is finding out whether your Tournament is using some fanmade rule explanation thingie like ITC or Nova-Open. Then you could email the guys who made that, maybe they can give an answer.
>>46182044
Good conversion, good pose, decent GS. Just fix whatever the fuck is tacked onto his jaw, jesus christ.
>>46181788
Why would you even play against someone like this? And he keeps beating you over and over, yet still wont tone it down?
Come on man, dont play against people like that.
>>46181788
Bring up examples from things like codex:eldar to codex: eldar craftworlds and the validity of old Eldar unit profiles because "the book hasn't been updated" despite the unit entries clearly having done so.
or (steping outside mainstream GW here) old forgeworld publications with old unit profiles that have been updated in newer, but different books.
Basically: only the unit entry must be updated, otherwise things stop working correctly
>>46182068
never noticed how fucked up the face was
cheers
>>46182046
As far as I know this is the only datasheet it ever got.
Besides ever since the advent of the Typhon it became kinda meh
>>46182301
That is a sexy profile, wish chaos had this.
>>46180634
That is understandable and I agree but if you show favoritism or bend rules for one faction and not the other then people get upset. When it comes to a league it is best to blanket everything.
>>46182301
>Fire the main gun
>Can't fire the other 3
Its shit.
>still no dark eldar gf
Is this one of their ways of causing ultimate suffering?
>>46182412
The ultimate suffering would be a window where she can see you and interact with you. But no matter how hard you try, you can never break that barrier and finally feel her skin in your hands and the smell of her hair.
>>46182412
Yes, being in a physical relationship with a dark eldar will certainly involve lots of suffering.
>>46182409
Can PoTMS the assault cannon.
>>46182467
So a long distance relationship.
Grey knights models as Black Templars.
Yay or ney?
>>46182467
Like a model in a displace case?
>>46182586
change the handbolter for a regular arm and the helmets and it should look good
>>46182586
Why would you not use the BT minis?
How many models is too many?
How many guardsmen would your opponent have to put on the table to make you just pack up?
Say you go to your lgs for a pick up game and someone offers an 1850 game and deploys 180 gaurdsmen and 3 tanks, would you play?
>>46182664
I play guard too, sounds like a blast. I guess we'd see who brought more pie plates.
>>46182664
>180 Guardsmen
I turn double that and walk away.On a more serious note, I wouldn't have much issue. I might suggest playing at 1000 points instead in the interest of time though,).
>>46182664
I play chaos renegades, so I'd thoroughly enjoy not fighting space marines or tau for once. An artillery duel to the death.
>>46182361
Being an Apoc unit Chaos had full access
>>46182409
It was always shit. It was for people who liked the idea of a vindicator on roids. Then the Typhon came along with it's even bigger rape cannon and it became worthless
>>46182586
Too much work. probably better off bitz ordering the heads to kitbash with normal marines desu
>>46182664
Eh so long as I wasn't pushed for time I'd play it.
>>46182409
>>46182841
It was good enough back when it was written because Glancing hits could strip weapons so an AV14 Vindicator with 3 extra guns pretty much ensured the cannon made it to firing range and immediately earned its points back. It'd be okay even in 7E since it allows for a roided up Vindicator without needing to take a Lords of War unit, and have people tell you to shove your Typhon up your ass.
>>46183050
The solution then, as now is more vindicators. You could get two decked out with stormbolters and HK missiles for gun protection
>>46183225
This just raises questions of Force Org charts, since I'd be using it with Skitarii allies I'd like to try and remain Battle-Forged for those delicious Crusader and Scout moves the Skitarii get.
I'm trying to figure out a fun CSM list for myself. I'd like it to be fairly strong, but don't plan on making it waac-level competitive. What's the standard point limit btw? 1500 points? If so I'd like it to be 1500p.
What I've come up with so far:
HQ:
Daemon Prince ~250-300p
(either an assault-centric beast, or a psyker-focused one, haven't decided yet)
Troops:
2x10 CSM 390p
with 2 meltas and rhino
Elites:
10 Noise Marines 287p
with 2 Blastmasters and a rhino with a havoc launcher
Heavy Support:
2x 2 Obliterators 304p
with marks of nurgle
it leaves 220-270 points open
any suggestions what to fill said points with? Any comments about the list in general?
>>46183841
I'd try and get another unit or two in rhinos. With just three on the field, you could get de-mech'd pretty quick.
>>46183841
I'm guessing you're going with a winged DP since he's on his own and you don't have any other obvious anti-air.
Forgefiend or a Predator Annihilator wouldn't go astray if you feel like you need extra dakka or anti-tank, respectively. Otherwise a blob of cultists to eat bullets and act as a speed bump for enemy assaulters, it really depends on who you typically play against.
>>46182664
Assault blobs? Or just blob-gunline? Not moving is boring. But then it just means the shooting phase is slow, as opposed to the move and assault phases too.
Is there a pdf of the latest edition of the astra militarum codex?
>>46184231
Should be one in the OP.
>>46184231
Up top in the mega, dude.
I just remembered in an older thread talk about a vidya game about the Magos of that one forge world that used to make anti-Tyranid shells for battleships until the Tau took over it. Are you a bad enough dude to avoid getting captured by Tau and slowly take back your forge world? How would go? I picture it as a fusion between Space Marine and Dues Ex Human Revolution. Final upgrade involves using the face-chainsaw STC.
>>46184254
>>46184260
that link does not work
>>46184231
In addition to the codex from the OP links, also grab "Damocles War Zone Mont'ka" (in the dataslates and supplements subfolder). It contains your decurion metaformation update.
>>46184335
>>46180353
If you're getting that error you're clicking on the Dropbox, which just needs V6 updating to V7 and is STILL the wrong link.
The mega, you dingus.
>>46181854
looks pretty heretical desu, good job
post it again when you've painted it up
>>46183841
If you take a Chaos Lord with Mark of Slaanesh, your Noise Marines gain objective secured.
Also you could try bringing a daemon engine as a heavy hitter.
>>46184447
mega link does not exist either
>>46184604
It's there for me. Just downloaded the mont'ka thing from it (because I wanted to check it was indeed the book with the formations). You haven't got noscript on or anything obvious like that?
>>46184676
i dont think
How do you paint a fucking rhino without a airbrush? Paint clogs up on too large flat surfaces yo.
>>46185001
I've heard of something about paint and thinning but I'm not sure what it was.
I literally just found out the metal pieces on space marine heads are service studs and completely cosmetic. I always imagined they had some purpose in terms of communications or targeting. How canon are these anyway? I don't think I've ever seen any of these used apart from the top right one.
>>46185001
I'd love to know any tips about this, I tried painting a Grey Knight land raider and the paint clumped and is super visible. Not sure how to fix that short of stripping it.
>>46185103
It's a slowly dying tradition. Tarkus and Hairgel have service studs.
>>46185103
>I always thought they were physical contacts for the helmet as part of the Black Carapace
>they're literally just basic medals for X years service
>>46185193
You get one for every century.
>>46185103
Weird how few people seem to know about this.
One of the characters came into our Deathwatch game and would have been 2 centuries old, so I asked if he was wearing studs.
After explaining what they where, he said yeah, but then seemed wildly surprised when the rest of the party expected him to step up for squad lead.
>>46185233
"A stud will represent either 10, 50 or 100 years service, depending on its style and the material it is made from. The Dark Angels Chapter uses silver studs for 50 years of service and gold studs to indicate a full century of service."
>>46185309
So do they take out the silver stud to replace it with the golden one that comes with the first century?
>>46185309
Bjorn and Dante must look like Pinhead.
>>46185001
Try a smaller brush. Also after you spray-prime it, dry brushing can really help.
>>46182301
>putting a demolisher cannon on a land raider
Why don't the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors do this too, they're the ones who are obsessed with heavy firepower and blowing things up.
>>46183941
So even more Marines? I assumed 30 wounds of 3+ armor would be enough as the meat of the army...
>>46183955
Yea yea, winged prince, of course. Are footsloggin ones even viable?
>>46184552
Yea, but is it worth paying close to 100 points for a useless HQ, just to get ObSec on the Noises? They're gonna stay in the backfield anyways. Also isn't their Rhino ObSec anyways?
By daemon engine you mean forge/mauler fiend? Or what?
>>46185357
Bjorn is a cripple piloting a Dreadnought, he's mostly all metal anyway.
If you want to, you could model a huge stud plaque on his Dreadnought with a hundred service studs attached.
>>46185298
It really is a dying tradition.
>>46185357
Dante has no studs with that one picture of him without his armor, and I don't think you could do that to Bjorn now.
>>46185001
>>46185128
THIN YO PAINTS
For real though.
Yes, more.
YES, EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
So thin, that it takes 3-5 layers to fully cover. Use a big brush, but with little paint on it, so it doesn't pool.
POOF smooth finish
>>46185437
Here's the picture of him.
>>46185391
I wasn't thinking suitability so much as maneuverability. If they take out the transports, the whole army is stuck on foot.
>>46185603
he wears his studs on his robe's collar?
>>46185341
Since most militaries don't 'replace' long service medals, you'd probably get (for example) a steel stud for 10 years, silver stud for 50 years, a gold stud for 100, and THEN if you make it to 200 you might get your steel replaced with a gold stud and so on. Oldest non-dread Marines are around 300 years old, and you'd know at a glance because of 3 gold studs in his temple.
>>46185357
I'm wondering if they go through increasingly precious metals with longer and longer periods, and display only the 3 most prestigious.
>Platinum for 500 years service
>White Rhodium for 3000 years service
>Bjorn has a Depleted Uranium stud to honour his extreme longevity
>>46185724
Let's just say that in the 41st Millenium a Prince Albert is called a Prince Dante. I'll leave the rest up to your imagination.
>>46185603
Left temple seems to be the traditional spot and it's not exactly visible. Obviously he's not festooned with the damn things but he might still have some.
Are there any good pictures of Orlanius the pious?
or at least what his Deathmask looks like
>>46185812
>Oldest non-dread Marines are around 300 years old, and you'd know at a glance because of 3 gold studs in his temple
Dante says that's cute. Even other Bangles think he's older than 1100.
>>46185863
Another picture. Sorry for the quality and size.
>>46185970
Dante, Bjorn and Grimnar are pretty much the exceptions, everyone else seems to only make it to 350 at best before something fatal catches up with them. Even Lysander is only about 200 years old, not including his 1000 year jump forward in time.
>>46186083
That Ultramarine Chaplin that really hates Nids is 650 I think.
>>46186247
Cassisus is not quite 400 and is notable for being the oldest serving Ultramarine
>>46186083
I believe Ulrik and Grimanr are 700-ish, and Asmodai was promoted out of 7th Company in the early 400's, so he's got to be around there too.
>>46186328
Could have sworn he was 650.
>>46186359
Ulrik is older than Logan.
>>46186328
They have to have dreads older then then that right?
>>46186394
Well then, I believe one of them is 700-ish, and if it's Logan, that makes Ulrik even older yet.
>>46186408
The RG have a 5000 year old dread, but as for the Ultras no clue.
>>46186447
He's probably near 900.
So, my friends want me to get into 40k. I originally wanted to play Necrons, but we already have someone dedicated to them, so that was out. They suggest SPESS Elves
Thoughts?
So I play Tyranids and I need an option to deal with my necron opponent who fields 2 monoliths and just recently bought an obelisk. I've been thinking of getting hive guard and giving them shockcannons for the haywire attack, but people say that they suck outside of that anti-vehicle role. Should I go ahead with it since I need the specialty, or is there a better option?
>>46186359
>>46186394
>>46186447
Both Ulrik and Logan are listed as "over 700" and that Ulrik is the older of the two.
>>46186541
Play Oldcrons.
>>46186408
They may have had older dreads that have since been killed in action. If you're lucky enough to get stuffed in a Dread it means somebody died to vacate that sarcophagus.
>>46186585
The better option would be to tell your friend to stop being an asshole.
>>46186541
> I originally wanted to play Necrons
Play Necrons then you tard. It is your army, and if you're not playing what you want why play at all? If someone wants to place Eldar then they can damn well buy an Eldar army themselves, you're not there to fill a quota.
>>46186585
> but people say that they suck outside of that anti-vehicle role
Good thing you're taking them to counter those pesky Vehicles then aren't ya.
>>46186541
eldar are massive homos go something else like Orks or Chaos
but if you really want to play eldar get some of these and make em regret it
>>46186659
I have.
He also runs an annihilation barge and a doomsday ark, camps them with their backs to the table edge so my flyrant can't 1-shot them, then drops pie-plates all over the table. I gotta break that damn quantum shielding somehow.
>>46186247
>>46186328
>>46186359
>>46186394
>>46186447
>>46186494
>>46186589
Regarding my "350 years" comment, there were more exceptions that I didn't know of, but you'll notice that they're all high-ranking Chaplains and Chapter Masters. I can't remember where exactly I read it but the context was an article discussing whether Marine physiology made them truly immortal, and it was hard to say since most Marines wouldn't make it to 350 before being killed in action.
>>46186829
Horus Rising mentioned unless killed marines will live forever. It may all depend on if they age well, geneseed quality, and if they don't suffer geneseed failure.
>>46186723
>quantum shielding
I went against Necrons for the first time recently and this screwed me [/spoiler]as Eldar[/spoiler]
>>46181854
Is that really your first time working with greenstuff? Holy shit I'm jelly.
I recently got the Dark Vengeance set that comes with a force of Dark Angels and a force of Chaos Space Marines, but I don't understand any of the lore behind them.
Are "chaos" marines literally just "lol so evil" badguys or what? They look cool like mad-max style with random spikes and skulls, but I don't get what makes them really that different from the other humans in their suits of armor?
Also, why do future space warriors even bother to fight each other with melee weapons? Why don't they just lob nukes at the enemy forces from across the solar system and be done with it?
Sorry if this is "heresy" or whatever but nothing is explained in the books that came with the Dark Vengeance set other than "war... war never changes"
>>46187602
On the outside possibility that you're not a troll
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperium
for a potted history of the setting.
You hit people with melee weapons because the spirit of the 80s lives on, and because clearing people out of the stuff you want to have back can't be done with nukes.
>>46187602
The first half of every codex(name for 40k rulebook) has lore and background for their faction. You can find them in the megaupload in the OP.
It's not "lol randum" chaos, Chaos is the name for the demonic powers and that live in the Warp. Which is an alternate dimension that is home to the 4 chaos god and their demons that want to destroy of corrupt pretty much all life.
>>46187602
Chaos Space Marines are basically the same as the "good" ones, but they have chosen to fight for the Chaos Gods instead of the Emperor.
The reason for doing this are many. Their chapter may have been unjustly accused of something and joining the chaos gods was the only option other then death, or they wanted power and thought that they way of Chaos was the easiest one. The reasons are many, but for the most part they end up crazy and horribly mutated because of the power of the Dark Gods
Regarding instead the use of melee weapons, it's because it's cool, really. There aren't really many reasons in the actual lore for the existence of melee, it's just awesome and fun, and Warhammer 40k was created, and is still for the most part, to be about crazy and awesome battles between demi-gods that doesn't really make much sense if you want to search a deeper meaning or reason for it
>>46180353
Anyone else remember the days when the worst thing to worry about facing on the table was a T5 obliterator? And every character's special rule was a mastercrafted weapon. How I miss those days.
Post yfw Tyranid codex drops andHive Tyrants become unique
>>46187602
Please read codices, they're in the OP links. As for Chaos Space Marines let me sum it up: space marines who have turned away from all that is holy and sold their souls into slavery to darkness. They're slaves no matter how high they rise.
>>46187879
I just hope they retcon the stupid Swarmlord already.
>>46185382
Because they don't need to, they already have that firepower mounted on vindicators. DW did it because they couldn;t call in the usual guns since they aren't in on the secret
>>46186408
Leviathans and Contemptors still exist in tiny numbers and are almost exclusively as old as the Heresy.
Or were you talking about the pilots?
>>46187879
They'll just make Hive Tyrants a GC and make Carnifexes the new Flyrants.
Either that or continue the downward spiral.
Is appreciating the Sisters Repentia heresy?
>>46185103
>How canon are these anyway?
They're as canon as you can get. They still appear on new models, but usually only 1 or 2 max, and they are always the round kind on the eyebrow. You can see them on any marine kit that comes with bald sergeants, like for terminators or tacticals.
>>46186541
Eldar have some really overpowered stuff, stay away from Strength D-1 flamer infantry, scatter laser bike spam, and the alternate lists that give all your aspect warriors BS5, unless you really want to piss people off or unless your friends are bringing really hardcore cheese lists too.
>>46188267
Reminder that Sisters aren't bound by celibacy.
>>46185103
>How canon are these anyway?
As canon as Space Marines themselves, look at the latest marine minies. Veteran Titus here has just completed his first century of service, while the other old fuck is just over 200 years.
>>46188337
>you will never be dommed by a Mistress of Repentence
feels bad
![dark_angle_by_ameeeeba-d7tc1e9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/E5y1jcD.jpg "dark angle by ameeeeba-d7tc1e9[1]")
>>46182301
> Distant planet Murus
> Laying siege to a planet literally named 'Wall'
Classic Dark Angels
>>46188431
Reminder that the people she whips have Feel No Pain.
>>46188523
bruh those are neural whips, they're for enemies not for sisters, they cut through power armor like butter,
>>46182301
>>46188433
Was one of the Fallen Angels named Trump?
>>46188267
>>46188337
>>46188431
Speaking of the sisters, when was the last time GW actually manufactured those models? Any chance they'll make new ones in the future? I love the sister's flavor but their models look a bit too retro for my tastes.
>>46188612
>when was the last time GW actually manufactured those models?
97 I think.
>>46181721
Since the end of 4th.
>>46188688
>Sisters were nearly a decade old when I started the hobby
WTF
So I just found one of the old Pulsa Rokkits with a grot crew. Obviously, while absolutely fun and had it had the coolest scatter rules, I can't use the old Pulsa Rokkit rules. Also, the newer apocalypse Pulsa Rokkit is completely bonkers and I can't use that for regular games.
Should I just run it "counts as" one of the upgraded Mek Gunz or should I put it back and merely remember the days of cutting fuses and still watching it fly off the board?
>>46188863
Welcome to the waiting game
>>46188878
What you should do is make it an objective piece that you have to hold for two turns, if you hold it for two turns then it fires using the old Pulsa Rokkit rules.
>>46185382
The iron warriors did it far before the dark angels were even green. Except they did it even better and called it a typhon.
>>46188925
Like, even then I was looking at getting them and went for an army that had literally any plastic in the range (Eldar at the time).
I'm collecting marines now, but I stand by what I said when I emailed GW and said that if they release plastic sisters I will buy a battleforce, minimum.
>>46188688
2004 was when Celestine and some of the more feminine looking minis released.
>>46188878
Put it on the back of a trukk (old style would work better) and use it as a grot bomm. S8 AP3 twin linked one shot at something on a <50 points buggy platform IIRC.
>>46188950
I like that. Actually, I really like that.
>You aren't going to stop me from getting the rokkit?
>Why would I? Even if you fire it, it's not going to hit anything. And even if you somehow do, what happens? I go to ground?
>I-I'll show you!
*rokkit scatters 12+6D6 away*
Are the dark angels good for new players? Ive got a bunch that i already painted up, been reading the rules, havent read their codex yet or played a game at all
>>46189155
People seem to forget what Warhammer is meant to be.
It is a role playing Wargame, you can play anything you want and any scenario just as long as you both agree. And why the fuck wouldn't you? It's meant to be fun and scenario based.
>>46189155
Fuck, you can even fluff out the needing two turns to hold it as requiring one turn to turn the rokkit in the direction you want it to fire.
>>46189155
This would actually be a fun as fuck weapon. Force pinning tests, Stun vehicle crews, and there are now rules for occupants of destroyed fortifications. Not super damaging but could royally fuck up your plans for a turn.
>>46189155
>you will never lob a pulsa rokkit into a gunline to make them go to ground and stun vehicle crews to get your boyz the time they need to get there
>>46189840
>They strike first and win combat anyway because I2
Best Leman russ layout?
If I want to run an Ulthwé footdar army with Black Guardians, what's the best way to represent that?
Storm Guardians loaded to the tits with shit from the decurion bonuses? Or counts-as Dire Avengers using Guardian models?
>>46190028
I'd say storm guardians with special weapons
So where did the fuck all amounts of plasma weapons come from when speaking of Dark angels war gear.
>>46189195
>its meant to be fun and scenario based
That used to be true. Now its not meant to be anything except a tool to sell models.
exhibit A: formations
>>46188688
some of their sculpts are dated at 2002, I think Celestine may have that on her too
>>46190016
Probably stock battle cannon.
>>46190016
Barebones Battle tank is a good AT option while forcing MEQs to keep their head down.
Though my favourite is the Eradicator for all those armies that don't do MEQ.
>>46190016
vanilla LRBT
>>46190016
I'd say...
Pask Executioner w/ plasma sponson
-Punisher w/ triple heavy bolter for squadmate
I'm just getting back into 40k and I really want to make a Death Korps of Krieg army.
Will most people be fine with me using their rules in IA 7? Back when I used to play, there was a bit of a stigma around Forge World shit, but it seems to have changed recently.
>>46190052
That's basically what I am leaning towards too
At 1000 pts I could do the following
Guardian Stormhost, 860 pts
>Jetseer with singing spear
>Warlock Conclave (4 Warlocks, 2 of which have SS)
>2x Scatter Laser War Walkers
>1x twin Shuriken Cannon Vyper
>Vaul's Wrath Support Battery (1x Shadow Weaver)
>3 units of 10 Storm Guardians, each with 2 power weapons, a Warlock with SS. Probably run 2 units with 2x fusion guns and 1 unit with 2x flamers.
Auxiliaries - Engines of Vaul 140 pts
>Fire Prism with holo fields
I'm pretty sure I'd usually die badly, but maybe the fleet + warlocks would serve to get at least 1 unit across the field. Kek. The Farseer + Conclave would be the focal point for everything, probably move across in a giant mass with the Guardians, vehicle would go blow shit, ?????, profit
I actually have no idea what I'm doing, having never even played against Eldar before, but Black Guardians are too cool to not use
>>46190065
First Legion. They got to test out all of the goodies during the Crusade.
>>46190016
Eradicator with 3 heavy bolters and a heavy stubber, butchers infantry and brings down MEQs through weight of fire.
>>46190261
I'd try to build a Krieg Army that can work in both Forge World and Vanilla options. It's hard to imagine a scenario where a bunch of kreigsman and magnetized Leman Russes couldn't be quickswapped for a 6th edition IG army list. You only real problem would probably be the CAATs and wutnot.
Never assume your players will like your obscure-er rules army. They might think your using that army because you want to get an advantage on them, and having a standby army list to prove your not that kinda player (and, you know, let you play) is always helpful.
>>46190016
A Malcador.
>>46190211
Maybe flip this around.
A Pask Punisher w/ Bolter sponsors gets rending, and so can kill vehicles on a 6 with 29 shots per turn great for infantry and vehicle killing.
The Executioner w/ plasma sponson squadmate is in the same unit and thus has the old grudges-induced preferred enemy rule. This means the executioner will get to re roll ones which means a mere 5 in 36 chance of Get's Hot! each turn.
>>46190530
Only the Punisher cannon gets rending. The sponsons should be Multi-Meltas and the hull gun should be a Lascannon.
Combined with Preferred Enemy, it's the best MC killer IG have and nearly auto-kills all vehicles.
>>46180353
The fluff doesn't have much detail on the Crone World Eldar. The most detail I ever found was in the novel Atlas Infernal, where some scenes occured on a crone world marketplace run by chaos mutated eldar.
So I must make stuff up myself and I wanted your critique.
Serving chaos is not a viable option for Eldar. Their souls are just too tasty. A dark eldar who gets his soul eaten from starvation becomes a zombie-like husk, forever wandering in search of souls to eat and an easy puppet for any nearby daemons. All the Eldar that survived having their souls eaten during the fall of the empire became such husks.
Eldar born in the Eye of Terror afterward are quite different. These are the true crone world eldar. Remember those rumors about Mandrakes being half-daemon or chaos mutated? For the crone world eldar that's the case, hence why they aren't immediately eaten. Their mixed fleshy/daemonic nature makes it difficult for them to survive outside the Eye of Terror, hence their rarity outside it.
The crone world eldar have an antagonistic relationship with the uncorrupted eldar. The crone worlders consider themselves the true inheritors of the eldar empire and seek to restore it. The uncorrupted do not acknowledge their existence.
The crone world eldar have an antagonistic relationship with Slaanesh. Slaanesh doesn't tolerate chaos eldar having free will and seeks to enslave them at every opportunity. (This is also to avoid thematic overlap with dark eldar.) The other chaos gods are all too happy to hire them. A fourth faction serve an heretofore unknown "order god" and are basically the cenobites from Hellraiser, torturing themselves and everyone they come across to purge the taint of chaos.
Thoughts?
>>46190390
The only time I've felt this loadout underperform was against grey knights. If you give it plasma sponsons that problem is solved and becomes an amazing all-comers tank for the same price as the main leman
I just run Leman Russ Demolishers in my Meta. It seems that everyone at my treat troops as tax and shove as many broken things as possible on the table.
>>46190664
Good point, was just rereading the rules and saw that. So the "Best" Leman Russ Combo assuming no points limit is:
Pask Punisher w/ Lascannon, Melta Sponsons
Squadmate Executioner w/ Plasma Sponsons
>>46190779
>assuming no points limit is:
Efficiency per points is always a factor. Otherwise you're just answering "which Leman Russ setup is the most expensive?".
>>46189979
>they kill 10% of your Boyz first and then you wipe the unit because you weren't retarded and didn't charge CC monsters or troops like khorne berserkers
Ftfy
>>46190865
>because you weren't retarded and didn't charge CC monsters or troops like khorne berserkers
As apposed to doing what? shooting them with your amazing
>BS 2
>>46190817 True
In the example above, I could take a lascannon on the LR Executioner, and add another Leman Russ, but I think the extra lascannon and LR would be unlikely to contribute anything extra to the utter ludricousness that is BS4-20-Shot-Rending-Lascannon-Melta-Gun Tank with Quintuple-Plasma-Rerolling Ally Capable of splitfire. Even if that extra LR was another Executioner.
>>46181854
BROTHEEEER
>>46190889
I hope you realize any ork player worth his teef uses boyz as troop choice tax and nothing else, taking maybe 1 unit of boyz or 2 grots.
Everything else can kill well. Tankbustas, Lootas, Dakkajets, SAGS, Killcannons and warbuggies are examples of effective and cheap units that will actually.
instead of having a "worry on whether you'll hit and wound" worry instead on "wheter ill hit, but Im str 6+ so im wounding on twos anyways
>>46190740
>chaos eldar fluff
There's some choice bits.
>>46190740
>>46191252
Eldar may fall to Chaos, but seem to become nearly mindless killing/fucking machines in the process.
>>46191252
Sounds like some Eldar want to discourage certain entrepreneurial 'Outcasts' from running guided tours through dead worlds for the human denizens of the Imperium and some Chaos worlds.
Oh my freaking god. I would kill for GW to host a campaign revolving around a Eldar or Imperial (hell, even Eldar-Imperial ally) counterattack to take back the remainder of Cadia and a few other worlds besides, because the eldar want more soulstones. Then they end up fighting some freaking CHAOS ELDAR! Then we throw in the dark eldar for more fun.
Or how about a new codex: Choas Eldar? A third Eldar Faction with elements of Slaneesh? As an IG player I say hell no, but as a fan of fluff and modeling? Hell freaking yes!
![fd6fbcd68e4593cc535f063b192146a8-d6ld50e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZXGNWCd.jpg "fd6fbcd68e4593cc535f063b192146a8-d6ld50e[1]")
>>46191305
>Eldar may fall to Chaos, but seem to become Elric in the process.
>>46191252
>>46191305
Aren't they also some of the meanest gits Chaos has in service too?
>>46191416
Chaos Eldar are basically all Chaos Lord tier though. Only those with a lot of potential, favor, and psychic power manage to actually bargain themselves into a useful position.
A Chaos Eldar codex would basically just add Crone world Eldar as an Independent character choice to ally with CSM or Daemons.
>>46191608
They already have predators.
>>46191608
Not necessarily. The crone worlders in Atlas Infernal were pretty banal. They ran a market for relic hunters.
The real problem with Crone World Eldar is that they have thematic overlap with Dark Eldar. They both have the shtick being insanely evil. Crone Worlders just add mutations and daemons to the mix.
>>46191637
Now all I can envision is a chaos eldar predator. Not the tank but a striking scorpion style crone world eldar.
>>46180353
On worlds lit by the cold rays of dying suns, located in the extreme northeast of the known galaxy, lie the Ghoul Stars, a realm where creatures tread out of a primal nightmare. Within this loathsome part of the galaxy are creatures so alien they seem to be born out of the supernatural. Yet even here, one horror outpaces all others; the Jazz Kingdom of Drazak, the haunt of the Playing Ones. These fiendish creatures stalk through Drazak's desolate jazz bars, fighting over instruments of clear tone and deep timber, desperate to sate their musical senses. Only one amongst the planet's entire population has stood apart from the pervading jazz madness of its denizens -- Valgûl, the Harmonica Lord. From his throne of splintered guitars and rusted saxophones, Valgûl rules over this charnel kingdom, his one good harmonica ever playing upon retaining what small jazzy measure of musical order he can.
>spooky dooky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcSuJi1b0OU
>>46191724
You waaaaants to kit bash it! You neeeeeeeds to kitbash it!
>>46191724
>>46191763
Valgûl seemingly remains untouched by the Playing virus that has consumed his people, but no truly sane creature would willingly play jazz for the gibbering Flayed Ones. It is not known if Valgûl remains out of a sense of musical duty, or maybe he is afflicted by a personal madness which has taken another, more subtle, form. Perhaps, it is the memory of the warmth of music, which once filled now soulless body.
>>46191498
Before the mighty Inquisition all of mankind's enemy are bitches to be slapped. Also the eldar developed wraithknights to help their trips into the eye of terror and their forts there, though I don't think it mentions the chaos eldar.
>>46191763
Jazz doesn't fit crons, too much improve and swinging notes. 'Crons would be more suited to classical or other orchestral music.
>>46190740
>This is also to avoid thematic overlap with dark eldar.
Dark Eldar aren't chaos worshipers or enslaved by Slaanesh, so there isn't any overlap there anyway.
>>46191823
>>46191763
Other Necrons loathe the Playing Ones, for they fear they will contract the terrible music they play. Any Necron suspected of harbouring the Player infection is banished or destroyed before it can open any jazz bars in the tomb world. However, the Necrons can never prevent a pack of Playing Ones joining a battle already underway -- they can materialise from their pocket dimension at any time, hunting in search of needing ears, and perfect acoustics. They will commonly play instruments with little regard for their listeners, wreathed in rotted instruments. Flayed Ones indicate no awareness of the sour notes given off by the broken instruments and grotesque sheet music with which they adorn themselves, typically keeping such scraps upon themselves until completely decayed. They are not suicidal, however. If the enemy is too tough a crowd, they will await the perfect moment to play a sad song; if the enemy cries tears of musical joy, they rarely pursue, preferring to opening jazz bars upon the flesh of the fallen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWooB4tpQ9I
>>46191861the irony is that jazz has the most "soul"
>>46187879
My nids just got the shit kicked out of them by necrons.
Deathmarks do 10 wounds against a hive tyrant with a 2+ jink -> 4 failures. Shrikes charge deathmarks, dealing 5 rends and 6 ap- wounds - kill one necron.
C'tan blows up and kills 11 Gargs on the way out.
Rough day for the hive mind.
>>46191894
No overlap with spiky, torture-and-decadence crazy space elves?
It's a design niche that it would be hard to make distinctive for anyone not already familiar with fluff.
>>46191941
>>46191823
>>46191763
"Through technology we thought to defeat the natural order. But the onset of eternity cannot be denied forever: the universe will see us humbled for our presumption. Yet its methods of attack are limited. We long ago removed our bodies from mortality's grasp and bartered away our souls for technological baubles and the trappings of power. Our minds, then, are all that remains for us to lose, and it is here that the next stroke against us will fall. Though our individual afflictions may take different forms, sooner or later we will all be lost to madness."
— Szarekh, Last of the Jazz Kings
>>46191724
>>46191793
It must be done.
>>46191806
>mfw
>>46191861
I have heard that Chaos Eldar are OP and I have seen some fluff about them being among some of the most powerful servants of Chaos.
>>46191966
Sounds like you got the shit kicked out of you by dice more than anything.
>>46180353
>mfw the emperor is a man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB5PHxHxq-M
>>46191941
oh wait i get it now, necrons turned into crazy jazz players. strangely fitting
>>46191991
eldar operate on a different leveling scale to put it in videogame terms. though chaos scales from unwilling/corrupted < cultist < possessed < daemon prince
>>46188612
get gud. Just sculpt your own with greenstuff like this guy.
http://www.thediceabide.com/2016/02/lvo-2016-obis-award-winning-army/
I'm coming from Orks and starting space marines.
I'm told they're a really top tier army but it makes me wonder, do they have any bad units? I mean sure there are sub-optimal choices but I'm not looking to win a tournament here.
I heard assault marines are not that good but they look amazing when compared to my boys and two flame throwers for 10 points on jump infantry looks brutal.
>>46191991
I can imagine a typical Chaos Farseer giving any Traitor Primarch a run for his money.
>>46186723
zonethropes are you best bet honesty its how i deal with my freinds obby and monoliths
youll need to get them close tho so youll need to either put them in a space zit and smack it close to them or take them via a trygon tunnel or you could outflank them with hive commander
apart from that exocrines are semi effective but not amazing (24' range str 7 ap2 6 shots)
or you could throw fex's at them but you have to deal with getting them in cc distance and thats not exactly easy
dont even bother with a tfex
>>46186585
Shrouded Carnifexes are your best bet. or ignore them while they blow everything up.
Necrons are so tough.
>>46192052
Typically anyone stuck using bolters are bad. Devastators are considered tax troops. You probably don't want to field tanks unless its a Land Raider. Scouts without sniper rifles are absolutely useless.
how to fix Deathwing, /tg/? should some hefty formations be enough, or do terminators in themselves need some rework?
>>46186585
Mass MC's are the best way to deal with crons.
>>46192092
Zoanthropes are so much fun.
First you roll to manifest WarpBlast.
Then your opponent rolls to dispel.
Then you roll to hit on a 3.
Then you roll to glance on a 2.
Then you opponent take a cover save (maybe)
That's a lot of dice pools, anon.
What ork forgeworld thing is the best to paint and play
>>46192043
Meet Sad Joe,
at least,
that was his name
long ago.
For while the C'Tan devoured his soul,
and for all the milennia he slept,
his love of jazz never grew old.
And so Sad Joe wept,
but no emotion showed.
But Oh! Did he find,
a trifle peace of mind,
an harmonica of perfect tone,
the protocols not written in stone,
unchanging, Sad Joe played
and though his mind was waining
what tune he maked.
>>46190740
Chaos Eldar may be divided into two groups: Slaanesh's puppets/victims and everyone else. The former include Elric-style champions, resurrected pleasure slaves, and starved husks wandering Low Commorragh; they have pretty much no will of their own. The latter include those seen in Atlas Infernal, mutated freaks who somehow maintain a semblance of civilization.
>>46192305
I cry for Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PKzz81m5c
>>46192261
>WAAAAAA I hit on a 3
>WAAAAA I only glance on a 2
>WAAAAA my opponent gets to do something
>>46192305
>>46192406
Throughout the tomb complex, broken minds attempt to sing the ballad of Joe, but their fractured consciences cannot Jazz no more...
https://youtu.be/VcDy8HEg1QY
>>46192509
>Cotton Eye Joe
>From his throne of splintered bone and tanned skin, Valgûl rules over this charnel kingdom, his one good eye ever fixed upon retaining what small measure of order he can.
>his one good eye
>eye
The necrons are feasting with this in the background.
>>46192261
>complaining about warp abilities
So say I wanted an army the polar opposite to my chaos daemons (no armor, psychic powers, warp storm, little to no shooting, assault heavy, fast) would i get necrons or tau?
>>46192598
Space Marines.
Grey Knights
>>46192598
>>46192612
Oldcrons were immune to warp fuckery. I don't know about Newcron lore.
>>46192598
Tau or space marines.
The polar opposite though? Daemons always have a save and have amazing stats across the board on everything, their opposite would be an army that's shit at everything likeOrks.
>>46192214
As sad as it sounds, but playing DW out of Strike Force Ultra is the way to go. You lose DWK but the new version is meh anyways and bs2 overwatch/twin-link after DS, but gain 5 point cheaper terminators, land raiders, much better formation benefits and an army that doesn't autolose turn 1.
>>46192626
Newcron is trash babby tier egyptaboo
>Their numbers are legion, their name is death.
Now they are a ridiculous parody of poor attempts to copy Game of Thrones material.
>>46191687
I say, if we can have 5 (FIVE) separate Space Marine codices, as part of 11 (ELEVEN) Imperial Codices, there's nothing wrong with the second biggest faction have 4 codices (Craftworld, Harlequins, Dark, and Croneworld). Heck, I had already been considering the matter with a Harlequin-sized "Exodite" eldar codex.
>>46192784
More eldar? Please no, I dont want any more basic infantry with D guns or other broken shit.
>>46192784
>Eldar
>biggest anything
You would have a better argument for Orks, Imperial Guard, or Chaos legions.
Are greenskins or humans more numerous in the galaxy?
>>46192750
it's been 5 years, stop whining about newcrons and pokemon
>>46192784
I'd rather see one more space marine codex xeno scum
>>46192835
Depends on what theory you subscribe to.
>>46192865
what are the theories?
>>46192816
>implying I don't want Freebooters to be a separate codex again
>implying Iron Warriors and Alphalfa Legion don't vary from the other CSM legions even more than Dark Angels do from regular SM
At this point, with Witch Hunters split 3 ways, Harlequins becoming their own thing, and CSM being split from daemons, I don't see why not. The door's wide open on the topic.
>>46192865
The accuracy of the image amuses me.
>>46192318
From what I gathered, there are a few examples in the fluff.
Craftworlds Altansar and Kaelor are implied to be corrupted. Kaelor has openly operating pleasure cults normalized. Altansar was stuck in the Eye for 10k years and now the citizens never remove their armor.
Crone Worlds:
Arach-Cyn: mutated eldar run a market for treasure hunters.
Eidafaeron: eldar version of Evil Dead.
World of Immortal Sorrows: eldar souls being tortured forever.
What can I add to fill out these last points, I'm using just about everything available to me. I own 1 Ethereal, what's in this list, and my friend can loan me some Kroot, a Hammerhead/Skyray/Devilfish, more Fire Warriors/Pathfinders, and 3 more crisis suits.
+++ New Roster (1673pts) +++
++ Tau Empire: Codex (2015) (Tau Hunter Contingent) ++
+ Core +
Hunter Cadre
····Commander
······XV8 Commander Crisis Suit [Command and Control Node, Multi-spectrum Sensor Suite, Puretide Engram Neurochip, Shield Generator, XV8-02 Crisis 'Iridium' Battlesuit]
··Elite
····XV25 Stealth Battlesuits - 2 Burstcannons, 1 Fusion Blaster
····XV8 Crisis Battlesuits
3x Crisis Shas'ui [Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock]
····XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits
······Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Cyclic Ion Raker, Twin-linked Flamer]
··Fast Attack
3x Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
··Heavy Support
KV128 Stormsurge [Pulse Driver Cannon, Shield Generator, Twin-linked Airbursting Fragmentation Projector]
··Troops
3x Strike Team [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
+ Auxiliary +
Firebase Support Cadre
··XV104 Riptide Battlesuit
[Early Warning Override, Ion Accelerator, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Fusion Blaster]
2x XV88 Broadside Battlesuits
Broadside [Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked High-Yield Missile Pod, Twin-linked Plasma Rifle]
>>46192810
>>46192856
What we need is to burn all newcron material, and hire a competent writer. Send in GW's Ordo Squattus and order the squat exterminatus on this abominable heresy.
>>46192997
Too many people buy Necron pyramids and UFOs to squat them.
>>46193033
>Making money
>Writing bad fluff
>Hand in hand like trading towers and 747s.
>>46192954
>Kaelor has openly operating pleasure cults normalized
Source?
>>46192997
>oh shit metal skeletons hellbent on killing all life for their mysterious star gods
>oh shit metal skeletons hellbent on killing all life for their mysterious lords and broken gods
gotta be honest, oldcrons and newcrons both bore me. not to mention playing against oldcrons wasn't fun, wipe out 80% and you automatically lose. the army had less variation then sisters
>>46193033
>mfw Necron pyramids
I love monoliths so much.
>>46193033
The UFOs and such aren't so bad, it's all the weird headpieces and strange melee weapons.
>>46188594
How'd he find tha... No.
Hey /40kg/, rate my mechanised Imperial Guard list?
999/1000 points Astra Militarum CAD
Lord Commissar (105 points)
+ Power fist
+ Celeritas
+ Carapace armour
(X2)
Veterans (186 points)
+ (X3) Plasma gun
+ Sergeant with Boltgun
+ Carapace armour
+ Chimera with ML and HB
(X2)
Veterans (201 points)
+ (X2) Meltagun
+ Heavy Flamer
+ Sergeant with Boltgun
+ Demolitions
+ Carapace armour
+ Chimera with ML and HF
Leman Russ Eradicator (120 points)
Let's say you woke up tomorrow in the 40k universe. You're basically fucked. But what would be the hypothetical best case scenario, as far as race, location, or whatever else goes, to ensure you live a long, prosperous, relatively decent life?
Tau homeworld? Terra?
>>46193280
Either T'au or Au'taal, because Au'taal is a retirement world of sorts. Or somewhere on the fringes of the galaxy with rogue traders.
>>46193302
Underhive.
You think I'm joking but I'd firmly glue my lips to the ass of the biggest gang boss I can find and try to make myself useful.
>>46193231
I rate it 3.7
>>46193280
Hypothetical best case is probably craftworld eldar (although it might not be a long life by your race's standards)
or
almost any upper-class Imperial citizen with sufficient clout to not get drafted, but not so powerful that there's always someone out to get you.
Tau is a fucking bad idea, but you would probably be happy enough on account of the mind control pheromones. No freedom though.
>>46193231
Would Fight / 10This is my first army, be gentle. 12th Dioclemese Rangers.
>>46193280
Human. Imma probably going to die due to knowing about the Chaos Gods knowing that I know about them, but if I'm lucky enough I could wake up as a member of a RT's crew or something not completely horrible. Maybe a nice shrine world with SoBs and I can try to impress them with my faith in the Emperor.
>>46193410
>Yeah babe, it's true: one time I prayed to the emperor for two weeks straight without sleeping
picking up pious chicks is hard
>>46193231
How do they deal with highly mobile or long range armies?They can't.
>>46193443
You just have to either be dandy enough, or purge so many heretics that you have the smell of burnt heretical flesh on you always. That's how you get them to notice you.
>>46193367
How do you keep melee off of your line? One MEQ assault and your army is fucked.
You should build around an all-comers mentality. You'll get better at the game faster too if you focus on fielding a variety of units and learning how to use each of them effectively.
>>46193280
Catachan. I know, it's absolutely terrible and it sucks, but the community and the people make it worth it. No Catachan soldier complains about Catachan for a reason.
>>46193593
I'm certain the Emperor fondly regards the Catachans.
dawn of war three whenpreferably on the scale of like supreme commander
>>46193677
Soon. How soon? I don't know, but I can feel it.
So, /40kg/ I did something incredible stupid today, I played today a champions of Fenris detachment with nothing but 2 units of 7 wulfen and one unit of thunderwolves with two iron priest and cyber wolves, only to get my shit so wrecked that I learned that wulfen are nothing but shit against shooting armies, the thunderwolves were all killed by the second turn thanks to the eldar shooting at them with 3 units of 3 scatter bikes and dark reapers and D weapon batteries, and the wulfen units had no better luck only with three surviving on a unit and the other with only two men down, I sit them in los blocking terrain and he didn't came for them so I just concede victory to the eldars because at the end I didn't let him just shooting them to death without any chance for them to do shit, wulfen might look good on paper but moving them is a bitch since they're bulky, so that's the stupidest thing I have ever done on 40kek, trying to kill eldars on CC.
>>46193722goodi will also settle for a SoB Canoness hero for Last Standat least for the time being, god damn i want dow3
>>46193509
>How do you keep melee off of your line? One MEQ assault and your army is fucked.
Yeah, I learned that the hard way. It was actually built for a 1500 pt game, with 500 pts of Deathwing allies.
I know it's not "good," but I've played the Dioclemese 12th for over 3 years via Dawn of War 1 and love it to death, and I don't mind losing games if it means playing it. The trick is to find a way to balance out its obvious weaknesses with the remaining 500 pts. I've been considering an ADL, assassins, sisters, and of course the original Deathwing termies, but I'm still new and need more experience before I can make anything "viable" out of it.
>>46192964
Ok, reformatting this shit with what I've added/changed.
1850, Hunter Contingent, Hunter Cadre and Firebase Support Cadre
Buffmander - CnC, Multi-Spectrum, Neuroweb Jammer, PEN, Sheild Gen
3x Crisis Suits, Airbursting Frag/Fusion Blaster, Target lock
Stealth Team - Shas'vre with markerlight/target lock, burst cannon, 2 regular Stealth with Burst Cannons
Ghostkeel - Cyclic Ion Raker, Fusion Blaster, Counterfire
3x 4 man Pathfinders
3x 5 man Strike Teams
Stormsurge - Pulse Driver, Airbursting Frag, EWO, Shield Gen, Counterfire
Hammerhead - Sensor Spines, Railgun with Subs, SMS
Firebase Cadre
Riptide - Ion Accel, Fusion Blaster, Stim injector, EWO
2x Missilesides with Plasma and Stim Injectors.
Help/Criticisms, please?
>>46193752
>SoB anything
Anon, I like them but >>46184317 is more likely to become a game than SoB anything. Relic will probably do something for them because maybe they have the kindness GW lacks.
>>46193837
Buffmander has Iridium suit, of course.
>>46193850
well then its a good thing that i was asking for something relic would do, plus they have history since SoBs were in soulstorm
>>46193863
Then keep your fingers crossed, Anon. Maybe one campaign will have an IG hero, SoB hero, AdMech hero, and an Inquisitor hero. I know that'd make me happy.
>>46193752
I'd love to see a Canoness in Last Stand if we don't get DOW3 anytime soon.
I imagine she'd be a healer / support character, using prayers to buff allies. Would be cool if she could have a Jump Pack as well.
>>46192493
>>46192596
But he's right though. They're they Tyranids go to artillery unit, yet they're extremely unreliable.
what are nurglings useful for in a chaos undivided army?
>>46194374
min troops and infiltrating annoying units
At what points value does taking a Knight start being fairly reasonable? Looking at taking a Crusader with my Space Marines, wondering if he should be my 1000-1500 jump or my 1500-2000 jump (although not in the near future as lol exams).
>>46193723
>playing against eldar
Your first mistake
>>46193837
Anyone?
I almost feel like a dick for bringing a War Convocation to a 1500pt friendly tourney, but my dice rolling is so terrible and I just want to have fun. Plus, there will be Eldar, potentially Tau, Space Yiffs, and a poor unfortunate Chaos Player.
>tfw when I have no face because I gave it up to the Machine God. My nigga the Great Ominissiah hooked me up with some rad goggles.
In all seriousness, it won't be a friendly tournament. I know my friends.
>>46194505
1500+
Just stop and use some common sense. If a 400 point knight is taking up 33% or more of your army, it's not going to be a pretty sight. And the less points the game is, the less points and models the enemy has to try to kill it with melta or other weapons.
>>46194374
Filling troop tax requirements, getting objective secured.
IMO they're the best troop choice unless you are going psychic route with Horrors or going assault route with Daemonettes (who can be summoned with Horrors anyway). Bloodletters are kind of bad in practice and Khorne Hounds/Seekers/Daemonettes are better, and Plaguebearers are okay but Nurglings are simply better than them at the job of not doing anything except securing objectives and trying to stay alive.
>>46194585
>"I just want to have fun"
>brings War Convocation
>>46194585
i hope you know exactly what you're using each component of the war convocation for, because if you don't have a purpose/role for everything you're gonna get shitstomped by the shit you were forced to take that isn't neccesarily good.
>>46194520
Looks like you need more Markerlights. You may have twelve pathfinders, but they're split over three squads and will break morale almost immediately. You should beef up the squad size on them so they'll be less likely to get wiped by a single shooting attack.
How do you plan on this list to run on the table?
>>46194631
Tbh I probably knew this deep inside, I just keep seeing really nicely painted Knights and the idea of splashing out on one after graduation is really tempting.
A nice change after churning out loads of power-armoured dudes as well.
>>46194753
I'm terrible at listbuilding and strategy. I was thinking of having the Commander + Crisis jump around blasting shit, while the Broadsides/Riptides take out farther back targets in tandem with Ghostkeel and Stealth teams. Meanwhile everyone else plays "Protect the Stormsurge" while it blasts the tankiest targets or swarms.
I don't know if there's a video series or a forum post or whatever to help me get better at strategy in 40k.
dawn of war 40k games super cheap for anyone interested. good time to buy even if your not a big video gamer.
https://www.humblebundle.com/sega-strategy-bundle
>>46194860
That sounds like a reasonable plan. I completely understand if you're working with a limited model supply, for a long time I was building lists based on my small supply of models and a pool of paper proxies that got me into 40k.
It takes time to get a handle on list synergy. I learned my stuff from a handful of blogs I discovered just by googling 40k tactica, watching youtube batreps, and personal experience
>>46195026
I've played maybe 3 or 4 games with my Tau, and 2 of those were with the 6th codex.
>>46194676
>Implying that it won't be fun to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the neckbeards.
>>46194702
We'll see. It'll be my first time using it. Still am in the process of getting the models. Knight is on the way. Just need the Onager, another squad of Vanguard, and a unit of Ruststalkers. Getting free Refractor Fields on "Sarges" is pretty hilarious.
On an unrelated note, I kind of want to model a Culexus assassin after the Legendary Star-Lord with some Ominissiah shit. Kind of like a Mechanicus based assassin/explorator.
>pic related
>>46195046
Unfortunately I don't know much about the tau formations, but I do know enough about the little things because I play against my roommate's tau pretty regularly. If I were you, I would try to narrow down what I want my list's focus to be and build it to have redundancy for that goal. Right now it's trying to do too many jobs at once. Like, if you want the crisis suits to be efficient at blasting things you either need more suits in the squad or more squads.
>>46195202
>OOGA CHAKKA OMNISSIAH
>OOGA CHAKKA OMNISSIAH
>>46182301
>It took the dark angels weeks to figure out how to put a demolisher cannon on a land raider.
>>46194515
I knew they were good, I didn't knew they were brutal.
So if a unit can run after shooting, can it run after intercepting?
>>46195564
Run moves are restricted to the shooting phase.
>>46195518
As the most loyal Legi- I mean Chapter they have to double check the Codex: Astartes to make sure they were not committing technological heresy.*hides Stasis armaments discretely*
>>46195610
Ah, so it took them 5 weeks to find their shared copy of the Codex, then 1 week to do some welding.
>>46195202
throw around dem free conversion fields
So with two Start Collecting boxes and two second hand rhinos my army is ready to play.
I think the biggest problem is the wolf riders taking up 62% of my points but damn do I love the models.
From my understanding they are a great unit but I think some Long Fangs and Drop Pods would go a long way.
Are Dreadnaughts worth bringing? Especially the named characters.
Bjorn looks amazing from a modeling perspective but is pretty expensive and Dreadnaughts seem really slow.
I was thinking about the Space Marine Start Collecting box for a dreadnaught if I can take them. I could use those marines as Grey Hunters with all the damned bits I have.but then what do I do with the other chapters' bits! The ride never ends.
Terminators seem pretty horrible.
How about Fenrisian wolves? They seem like they could "tarpit" my friends bikers pretty well.
The two armies my friends play are Daemons and Dark Angels.
1000/1000
Wolf Lord (195pts)
>Black Death, Storm Shield, Thunderwolf
10 Grey Hunters (195pts)
>2 Melta Guns, Rhino
10 Grey Hunters (185pts)
>2 Flamers, Rhino
5 Thunderwolf Cavalry (425pts)
>5 SS/TH
>>46195836
Well you see they only use a First Edition copy and demand that their Successors do the same. It is much easier to bring all the Successor Chapters together when they need to brush up.
>>46195862
It strikes me that you're really, really lacking long-range AV.
>>46195862
Oh, and you have no answer to flyers other than 'pray they roll like shit instead of just hanging about outside melta range killing ALL your dudes'.
Like, a stormraven can just hang around with relative impunity and end you.
>>46196052
>>46196091
Thanks.
I was thinking about dropping one of the Thunderwolf Cavalry to free up 85 points. That could give my Grey Hunters plasma instead of flamers in the second squad. Drop a second and I could take some Blood Claws just to have more bodies.
My friends already have 2000+ points so I am looking to add on to what I have above pretty soon.
>>46196192
For a mere 100 points and not a huge cash investment, you can take an Aegis Defense Line with a quad-gun, to give you some anti-air capability (and it can still shoot at Flying Monstrous Creatures and Skimmers at full BS), as well as some nice cover for a squad holding a backfield objective.
>>46181594
SO I played the necron player. He dident even use anything else but the ctan. And he actually had a chance at winning but I got a lucky vortex of doom on him for 3 wounds, and dakkajets did the rest.
>>46196425
you the best
>>46196440
No what I am saying is a 720 point model almost managed to solo my 1750 point army. And thats sad.
So my mate and I ran into a rule that we are having issue finding a definitive answer for. Just played a game of kill team game and I had 3 crisis suits with twin linked weapons. Does having a twin linked weapon mean two shots that reroll per attack or one shot that rerolls per attack?
In a related note, to make sure I understand the rules correctly, the attack stat on a units profile is only for melee, and all models fire once during the shooting phase, correct? Unless the weapon profile is something along the lines of assault 3, or a crisis suit with a multi-tracker, or some other special rule that states it may fire more than once?
>>46196483
Isn't it an Apoc unit?
>>46196664
Twin linked just lets you reroll to hit rolls made by that weapon, it doesn't let you fire more shots. You can shoot as many times as the weapon profile lets you and only weapon per model unless it has an exception like crisis suits do.
>>46196483
C'tan used to be even better. It's pretty shitty now after the nerfs. It was on par with Warhounds/Revenants offense wise.
>>46196725
The old transcendant c'tan is the one he's talking about.
>>46196664
>Does having a twin linked weapon mean two shots that reroll per attack or one shot that rerolls per attack?
Read the first line of the rule.
> the attack stat on a units profile is only for melee, and all models fire once during the shooting phase, correct? Unless the weapon profile is something along the lines of assault 3, or a crisis suit with a multi-tracker, or some other special rule that states it may fire more than once?
Correct.
>>46196483
That's you what you get for bringing conventional units to a game of Global Thermonuclear Warfare.
>>46196718
>>46196743
Okay, so both plasma rifles or whatever, if twin-linked, count as a single weapon. Got it. The first line was confusing me because in that case there were two physically on the model.
Thanks for the clarification.
>>46196877
Iirc youcan also buy them AS two weapons in which case they both fire but without twin-linked
>>46196877
Yeah, it's deceiving. And disappointing - I'd much rather have 2 shots than twin-linked.
Pic related, for example, is a hurricane bolter:
>A hurricane bolter consists of three twin-linked boltguns fired as a single weapon.
That's only 3 attacks despite six guns.Unless they are in range to fire twice due to Rapid Fire rules, but I don't want to confuse the matter.
I've been out of the loop for like ~6 months, has there really been fuck all released since then?
Are GW finally dying or something?
>>46197029
what breh u dont like AoS sigmar releases every month?
>>46197029
theres been plenty released in the last 6 months, but a fair chunk has been age of smegmar so its not great
>>46193723
>agreeing to play against anyone fielding D when you have none.
You deserved to lose for being such a pussy. You also embarrassed all of us good SW players by bringing such a shit list.
>>46196192
Drop some fucking thunder hammers. Having every TWC with an I1 weapon is a fucking stupid idea. I swear people have no idea how to make a good SW list these days.
>>46197130
He wanted to test his new army and I wanted to see how good were the wulfen, I normally play with mass infantry on vehicles.
>>46197155
Mass infantry in vehicles better be drop pod spam otherwise that's also shite. Why didn't you take a stormwolf for your wulfen?
>>46196969
Majorly disappointing. But, thinking about it, my crisis suits *were* kicking too much ass as we were playing it, with two shots being rerolled. We're both very new to the game, and against his necrons I lost 2 markerlight drones with no other meaningful casualties.
I still think I have a distinct advantage on him though. I believe I can out range and out maneuver him. Hes taking more invulnerable saves next game and I just learned markerlights are heavy 1, so I might split my drones into their own unit.
>>46180353
NEW THREAD
>>46197210
>>46197191
Silly anon everybody knows drop pods are the only way, also we were playing 1500 pts and I didn't wanted to look like a dick when he was still seeing what to include on his army, I guess I was wrong.
>>46197240
A stormwolf is probably as close as we get to D I have terms of cheese after TWC. Take one and stomp his ass into the ground as you unload 8 wulfen onto his D brigade.
>>46197253
In terms of*
>>46197253
Now I now, he was always a little WAAC but now with eldar he went full WAAC.
>>46193723
Anyone else that can't spam the D and you'd have probably tabled them.
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