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>>44780545
Its a WIP.
Yell at me about things and I can think about them.
It needs more Floof.
Reposting since thread archived before anyone could reply, out of curiosity, how would synchronized souls (from PMD) work outside of that jump?
>>44794757
I see it's so WIP it's an empty post!
Jumpers, what is the best plant you've ever encountered?
>>44794783DELETE YOUR POST! noone can ever know.
>>44794775
Pretty sure you misspelled discipline.
>>44794936
That would be because I don't have any.
Also I forgot to use spellcheck.
>>44794785
The Whomping Willow.
It's a tree. That beats things to death.
That's pretty fucking awesome in my book.
>>44794775
Consider changing 'Tech Support' to just 'Support' since you're including Arianna as the capstone.
Would really appreciate 'first power free' or something, since it's not particularly feasible to buy Origin perks and Superpowers at the same time.
By canon Supers are supposed to get idealized bodies for free. Sydney is the exception because her powers aren't innate, they're artifact based (which does make a nice drawback, which I see you're doing).
>>44794785
>pic related
Hands down.
>>44794736
Are there Perks that would let you learn a magic system by watching someone else use it?
>>44795001
>support
considering
>first power free
Free cp for that section was just removed because I wanted people to be able to avoid taking powers from that section if they dislike them. If people do want just a free tier from that section then that would be what the cp would have done.
>idealized bodies
I figured it was good enough to make a perk. Plus there was the issue of it making it harder to cut a line between sydney and others, specifically the support personnel.
>>44794776
Pretty well I'd imagine. Having someone that just gets you and whom you can work very closely with is never a bad thing.
>>44794775
Powers aren't Grrl Power evocative.
Just looking at the cast page, powers include an emphasis on management of a resource- either absorption and controlled released, or powering up one ability at the cost of another (Maxima boosting one of her traits, Anvil redirecting kinetic energy, Halo having to choose her orbs, Harem's physical stats are inversely proportional to the clones she has out, Heatwave messes with thermal energy and her own size, Amorphous changes his size and density, Jiggawatt converts and manipulates electricity... Achilles is the only one that has a simple effect.)
tl;dr: Grrl Power superpowers are almost all 'manage type of energy' or 'weaken one of my powers to strengthen another'
>>44795127
Since my companion is a Pichu that is always chilling in my pocket, double HP/Stamina at all times seems pretty incredible. Just want to check that I'm not misinterpreting this.
>>44795175
This was supposed to be the purpose of the power modification section, though thank you for making me realize that the powers source needs more focusing on.
>>44795235
>>44795175
>>44794775
Just realized I should have said this in the first post.
The powers section is super unsure right now and I am looking for ways to renovate it or completely redo it.
>>44795336
I think you should seriously consider doing as RWBY did and just have a few preprepared superpower packages instead of 'build your own'.
Just don't be boring about it.
Alternatively, if you have a copy of Mutants and Masterminds, try a reduced version of their build your own power?
>>44795373
The flexibility of Grrl power powersets was something I was hoping to offer in the jump.
Presets would allow me to do a set of powers with clear limits and possibilities similar to the worm jump. Yet supers in Grrl Power are not created equal and I was unsure about doing something similar to worm while being unable to offer a variety.
Perhaps rather than the buy one stance of worm I could do something like a number of minor powers with unique applications that people could stack up?
>>44795018
It amuses me people keep saying Kaguya is Red when Ivy looks so much more like her in form and in gimmick.
>>44795441
Maybe a mix of prefab powers, but then you can choose from a 'flex' power to top it off and do the neat stuff.
For me, the Grrl Power appeal is a flexible power you have to be clever about to get the most use out of without creating a disadvantage for yourself.
Number of minor powers does seem reasonable though, yeah- but you're trying that already, and most of them are kind of boring and generic. Even just moving away from telekinesis to [element/substance]kinesis is neater since it's specialized and then you can put modifiers on top of it.
Electrokinesis + Fine Control = Technomancy
Electrokinesis + More Power = Throw and redirect lightning bolts
Just an anon's wordswordswords. Best of luck in completing this.
>>44793375
What I mean is that most people look at Slaanesh and just see the horrible, horrible fetishes. But I have faith that you can look past all that and make see the rest of Slaanesh - the hedonist, the bon vivant, the perfectionist.
Honestly, you're probably one of the most Slaaneshi Jumpers I know of. You're the biggest and the most beautiful, not because it matters, but because you want to be. Same with your Garden - it's far past the point of practical, it simply is for its own sake. So I have faith you can capture that aspect of She Who Thirsts, instead of just making her a bimbo with a chainsword dildo.
>>44795577
When you give people a joke to run into the ground, they'll do so with gusto.
>>44795577
Red is a Plant Girl Moon Bunny Not-Goddess.
Kaguya is a Plant Girl Moon Bunny Not-Goddess.
Ivy is just a Plant Girl.
>>44795642
in b4 reaction image and 'wuuuuuut I am not that kind of demon princess!'
>>44795441
If you can keep the versatility, I say go for it. I'm not familiar with the source material, but I'd rather have more options than fewer as a jumper.
Also, your appearance perks are great. My vanity is insatiable.
>>44795642
The issue with Slaanesh is more that no matter how you personally choose to invest yourself in it, the people around you are probably gonna be all about rape.
>>44795700
Marvel Jump is two drawbacks only.
The whole point of Adamantium is that it's inert and can't have it's form altered. An Adamantium core would make sense, but a body made of it? No, it's indestructible. You can't reshape it.
Points for stacking a whole bunch of perks for a cool compound power.
>>44795821
Fuck you are right brb
>>44795755
>Can you please keep the raping down a little!? I'm trying to read!
>>44795695
Red doubled down on those and thus their incredible quality.
>>44795582
One idea, the one that led to the current form was specifically to allow the combination of these different powers.
>IE
Super Strength(specialized) + Flight(specialized)= you get your super strength from you flight powers, so while flying faster your superstrength gets lower but while flying up to half your speed its your superstrength that is doubled.
kinesis + specialized = electro/whateverkinesis
A very similar vein to the marvel jump really.
>>44795821
That seems to be the point of shapeshifting which has been ruled to work in the past.
>>44795821
Marvel confirmed literally just two threads ago that Shapeshifting+Body+Adamantium would let you move by altering your body shape. He also said it would be slow as hell.
>>44795877
Marvel clarified that it works, it's just super-slow.
Of course, I'd rather shapeshift adamantine structures in and out of my body - less surface defense, but a lot more speed and versatility.
>>44795821
>>44795700
>>44795837
Now new and slightly less cool but still pretty neat.
marvel
Military 900
Healing factor 750
(Shapeshifting+ speed)+ (kinesis (ferrokinetic 30 feet)+ strength+) (adamantium x (body) + toughness)-500
Mutant-300
Changed 00 (Im a big metal ball)
>>44795821
Pretty sure he has said in the past it would make shapeshifting adamantium. Gotta wait for him to comment on it unfortunately.
>>44795952
>>44795919
That is why I took shapeshifting+ speed, Hoping for fast shapeshift. Or at least not super slow.
>>44795952
>>Changed 00 (Im a big metal ball)
This is one of the best alternate form ideas I've seen. Nice plan pinballanon
>>44795872
>Red doubled down on those and thus their incredible quality.
Welp, they're great and I'm definitely going to add them to my ever growing pile of appearance perks.
So, what's the best way to accomplish the Secrete Mode of Touhou?
>>44795914
Would Adamantine + Toughness + Energy let you create incredibly durable force fields?
Quick question: how powerful are the Kinesis abilities in Marvel?
>>44796288
On par with your physical strength.
>>44796284
I'd guess no.
>>44796288
It slides, the more common the less powerful, the less common or more specific the more powerful.
>>44796318
Base physical strength or does it scale?
>>44796228
*Secret.
>>44795686
I think they were also getting at the red hair and all the appearance perks basically amounting to the pheromone shtick.
>>44796345
I think it scales, but don't quote me.
>>44795952
By the way, Marvelanon did say autokinesis was okay, so if you want real pinball shenanigans, you should probably go with that instead of the very weak ferrokinesis, especially when combined with shape shifting since you get more power and control the rarer whatever your controlling is and literally everything has a magnetic field.
>>44796459
>autokinesis
>?
>*google*
>"The autokinetic effect (also referred to as autokinesis) is a phenomenon of visual perception in which a stationary, small point of light in an otherwise dark or featureless environment appears to move."
I'm still confused.
>>44796459
Well the reason I decided ferrokinesis in a 30 ft rdius + strong was I was trying to boost the strength of it. To be only good withing 30 foot of me, limited range I THOUGHT would boost the power allowing me to pick up and sling metal around. With strong as a general boost to it. Plus adamantium being magnetic I could fly around with it. I might need some fine tuning on it still.
>>44796526
It roughly translates as self-movement. Basically, flight by mind power?
Does anyone know what Healing Factor+Super Speed+Toughness would do?
I was thinking it'd be some sort of adaptive healing factor that makes you more resistant to whatever hurt you.
>>44795755
Given that Slaanesh is still about excess even if you seek the "perfectionist artist" side of things, yeah. It's an artiste with a chainsaw dildo and a heroin pump reading poetry while skyboarding on a mutant crocodile and whipping slaves, the correct interpretation doesn't favour one of those over the others because it's about all of them.
You just flat-out cannot really go high in the service of Slaanesh without excess and indulgence. The Chaos Gods still represent some good things, sure, but they primarily represent and embrace and encourage the bad.
Trying to rules-lawyer it into being SFW by being Yomiko Readman or something is missing the point just like the people who think it's just "megapenis vs battlecock" 24/7.
>>44796228
Given that it's basically already happening, any diplomacy perks would help. As would anything that lets you change the fundamental nature of things - Stars and Stones from Dresden Files would let you remove the "must feed on human fear/flesh" clause from a youkai's existence.
This may or may not be a good idea, though Yukari may well love it, but you could perhaps use Real Eater to alter Stars and Stones so that it can change the clause to something that promotes peace, instead of outright removing it.
I'd say in general, the best first step would be finding her and talking to her about things frankly.
Explain that you want to help, tell her what you can do.
>>44796700
Hmm. Wouldn't Monster Inc tech help?
>>44796228
>>44796349
I don't think anyone has a good answer to that, the biggest problem is that youkai literally need humans to fear them in order to survive. That's what you need to solve in order to pull off the ending, and the solutions I've seen proposed are:
1: Setting up some kind of fear farm. Not sure if this would work, and would likely come with its own set of problems. This is especially true if you still need to get the fear from humans, instead of artificial fear, which would put you a long way away from true peace. Plus, society is screwed if something happens to the farms.
2: Using the Stars and Stones perk from Dresden. It might look like a perfect solution, but it only works in the short-run and on an individual basis, any youkai you didn't use it on and any new youkai would probably still need fear. I also don't like solutions that hinge on having one specific perk from one specific jump.
3: Just having strong enough magic/science to work out a solution. If you're powerful enough that you can pull this off, you don't really need the reward you get from the secret ending.
So yeah, I have no idea. The rules of the setting seem to be fighting against it. It may have been a better idea to just offer up a "nerfed enough to not break everything" version of the power for purchase, possibly bundled with a "Yukari is interested in you" drawback for no CP. Honestly, I always felt the jump wasn't very good. It seems like we just get a list of powers instead of any perks, which is especially bad since most of the characters tend to have one power they're well known for instead of a bunch of them. Overall, I think if it offered you perks besides just "more powers," it would read more like a jump instead of a powergrab.
>>44796751
>I don't think you should be allowed any powers in the girls with crazy powers setting because I'm human garbage.
>>44796778
>Being given a vastly greater quantity and more varied powers than in-setting characters is good design
>Wanting jumps to offer more than just powers means you don't want anyone to have fun ever
Did you enjoy the God jump?
>>44796751
What's happening in canon is that youkai *are* shifting from FEAR FROM MURDER AND HORROR to a somewhat friendlier system. The whole incident system is a good way of allowing that - giving respect and attention instead.
Stars and Stones would work better if you could grant it to others. Sure, it's better to not need a specific perk, but say - if you gave it to Yukari or created a metaphysical system that finds new youkai and frees them. It's just freeing them from their need for fear, so it shouldn't result in creating more youkai to fill the gap.
>>44796778
>imagining things scares and confuses me and the idea that someone is more powerful than me triggers my autism and sends me into a hooting ape rage where all I can do is shit myself in fury. I demand godlike powers instantly on demand, fuck you for trying to do something entertaining to normals!
>>44796907
Store copies of it with Ensoul and hand them out?
>>44796751
>it would read more like a jump instead of a powergrab.
Consider who made the jump and the answer's obvious.
>>44797046
*Checks*
MoeAnon?
>>44796875
>I don't like that my shitty opinion was called out, let me strawman about something posted over a year ago that nobody else remembers.
>>44797046
How dare powerful settings have powers. It's wrong, I tell you.
>>44797041
That's actually not to bad an idea. Maybe you could also use Conjoined Conjures to combine the Stars and Stones ability with a magic system that lets you create creatures, and eventually get to a point where you've got self-aware copies wandering around?
I mean, there's a non-negligible chance letting this kind of power do whatever it wants it going to cause an Earth-shattering incident, but what doesn't these days?
>>44797134
Yep.
We're talking about the guy who claimed strong-enough Blacklight would let you eat Azathoth.
>>44797141
Serious question, why are you doing this? Your original post was such an obvious misinterpretation of what was actually said that there's no way it wasn't intentional. I'm not trying to troll you or make fun of you, but what are you trying to gain from this?
>>44797218
He gains a couple chuckles when he manages to provoke a person into arguing with him over something that won't change either way. Makes himself feel better that he's won at something.
>>44797218
Anon is complaining about being able to get powers in Touhou. Do you not see how that's stupid?
I'm also pretty sure this is the guy from months ago who said he wanted the 600-tier perks to be shit like being good at cleaning or other 50 point tier nonsense.
>>44797308
>600 CP cleaning perks
It'd still be better than a power-grab that doesn't reflect how powers are distributed in canon.
Jesus fuck, why do you guys react so violently to the suggestion that there be options besides "kill everything?"
>>44797430
Right, we should totally not have powers in a setting that's all about girls with wacky, ridiculous powers. Instead all our expensive perks should be the shit you get nearly for free in an afterthought in settings without any powers.
Anon wonders why I reacted badly to you, somehow.
>>44797308
This was his exact statement:
>Honestly, I always felt the jump wasn't very good. It seems like we just get a list of powers instead of any perks, which is especially bad since most of the characters tend to have one power they're well known for instead of a bunch of them. Overall, I think if it offered you perks besides just "more powers," it would read more like a jump instead of a powergrab.
I'm not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that he's complaining about getting powers. He's complaining about the quality of delivery. There is a difference. Now personally I think the delivery was fine. I think that given we have no standards of jumpmaking and no expectations, moe did a pretty good job. But if I did apply quality standards to it, then this anon might have a point, the way the jump is presented could be seen as a bit lacking.
There's nothing stupid about this. If you think opinions that aren't yours are stupid, you should kindly request that nobody post in this community unless they check first with you to see if their opinions line up with yours.
>>44797472
See >>44797430
That was what he was saying.
>>44795872
Be very careful with it; I was very careful to make sure you could do a bunch of complete builds without touching the combo idea, and a lot of people still have problems with it. It's fun for some, but also means a lot of rulings.
>>44795919
>>44795914
>>44795877
Yup.
>>44795821
It is workable if you're comboing for it, but has drawbacks.
>>44795974
Will work, but you'll still just be up at "normal" shapeshifting speed at best.
>>44795952
Most of the other people have got it; also, cool idea.
>>44796284
...Sure?
>>44796288
Like others have said, the more common the thing you're controlling the weaker the effect; "basic" tk is at (your strength), with more common things (like say, gravity) being much weaker and rarer things (your own hair) being much stronger.
>>44796526
I was meaning "control of your own body", if I did in fact use those words; see Medusa, for example.
>>44796547
It'll be cumbersome, at least until you get finesse, but it'll work fine.
>>44797276
Considering the active hostility we're maybe looking at an authentic autist.
There's nothing worth getting this anal-pained about and yet he's caterwauling.
>>44797472
You're trying to argue reasonably with someone who'd rather use personal attacks than any reasonable debate.
>>44797472
If we had any quality control, Tera's jumps would never have been uploaded to the drive.
>>44795872
Don't do the combo thing, unless you like forcing us to ask you questions for every build and being unable to complete one without talking to you.
>>44797489
Which doesn't negate what I've said at all. Whether a jump is seen as a power grab and whether it reflects powers as presented in canon is all in the delivery.
>>44797466
>Post being quoted says there should be options besides powers in a setting where most people only have one powers
>Reply says anon said no one should have powers
>Reply says that you should be offered a boatload of powers when everyone else only has one
You know, at no point has anyone said the powers should be removed, you pulled that out of thin air.
I saw this gif and thought of you, OneArmedAnon. This is for you.
>Last night, I dreamed of fire.
>Tonight, I will dream of fire again.
>Tomorrow, I will dream of fire, and on and on it will go.
>Usually in the dreams, I'm a man.
>I'm a man but I have one arm for reasons I don't understand.
>A week ago, when I woke up, part of my hand had faded away until it didn't exist, not really. Just a spot.
>The spot has grown.
>I fear it will grow larger still.
>The dreams grow clearer as the fire grows larger.
>Something about... jumping. A man, who sold his arm for power and the opportunity to see infinity.
>I think... I think I am that man.
>Or at least, I will be.
>Until then, I still have my arm. I still have my hand.
>But only until then.
>>44797566
It does negate the idea that this anon I am talking to DOES want there to be no powers in the jump, meaning my initial reaction is entirely justified.
>>44797567
Anon's post said they'd want perks instead of powers. Then went on to say they'd like for it to have perks like 600 point cleaning. Without powers.
>>44797521
At this point I think he's just looking desperately for attention so he jumps to hyperbolic conclusions trying to make something seem sensational. He might as well just grab a trip and start a namefag shitstorm.
>>44797603
No, he said nothing about a 600 point cleaning perk. That was you.
>>44797578
killitkillitkillitwithfire
Need some advice. Do you think it's worth it to go Big Trouble changeling in the Dresden Files, or should I just choose wizard?
>>44797603
>It does negate the idea that this anon I am talking to DOES want there to be no powers in the jump
Do you have the grammatical sense to understand what you just said in this sentence? Read it carefully. Read it very carefully. In fact take out the unnecessary fluff words and break it down to it's essential components. Here, we'll help you.
Negate the idea. That. said individual. wants there to be no powers in the jump.
Why are you even arguing?
>>44797636
He responded positively to it.
>>44797667
Yes, I made a typo.
>>44797603
In Touhou, the ability to Clean Anything (all caps) could be totally worthy of 600 CP. I mean, Reimu's power is Floating, and she gets total invincibility out of that.
Yes, I'm aware you said "without powers." But half the fun of Touhou characters is how they turn their weird tricks into superpowers. The other half is how they turn them into bullets.
>>44797713
We're talking about mundane cleaning. Not metaphysical cleansing.
>>44797728
No one said that. Just a 600CP cleaning perk. We could make it as weak or powerful as we want to. You just have to open your mind, man, see the possibilities.
>>44797646
Big Trouble would give you a very impressive level of power. Card's examples are Cait Sith, Leanansidhe, and Eldest Gruff - critters who Harry respects and fears. Plus it gets you discounts on Job Offer, which is one of several things that people take all the time for good reason.
>>44797773
Job offer is only for losers who like to be people's servants and slaves.
>>44797687
>He responded positively to it.
No. See. Let's get one thing straight. He presented his opinion on this matter. You introduced a counterpoint that ran tangent to his opinion. He agreed with your counterpoint suggestion that it would still be a viable option compared to the existing set up, in his opinion.
Nowhere does it say that his initial stance was aligned with yours. He merely borrowed your posited stance to further highlight the fact that he inherently believes the jump is flawed in terms of its organization and structure of perks. Now, I'm not going to get into semantics about perks versus powers here, but let's get one thing straight anon, you were the one who brought up the point - not him.
Whether he agrees with you out of courtesy or decides to use your example as something to back up his core argument, which has to do with removing perks altogether, is completely irrelevant to the idea you were trying to express in your typo.
>>44797517
Thanks marvel.
>>44797728
Yes, and there are Yokai who start out as mundane umbrellas and lanterns.
>>44797790
Depending on who you serve there's nothing wrong with that. Or do you not want the only legal option to be a Wild Card in Persona?
Plus, you can turn it around and make Job Offers to people instead.
>>44797762
I'm pretty sure I know what I meant when I said that. Rather, what I'm referring to is the last time anon argued about this, where one of his examples for what powers could be replaced by were mundane perks, and one of them was 600 tier and just the ability to be good at cleaning. Not magical or anything.
>>44797793
I'm not sure how that isn't responding positively to it.
>>44797804
They ARE those things, that's not their power.
>>44797844
>There's nothing wrong with being a slave.
Disgusting.
>>44797868
You do realize that you're essentially a slave for an omnipotent being that's only using you for entertainment, right?
>>44797849
you know if you really wanted a shitstorm why don't you use something more provocative?
>>44797868
Work for someone cool who isn't likely to treat you like Mab does Harry. Vadderung or Santa.
>>44797909
Yeah, but the benefits are amazing.
I mean, have you /seen/ the cafeteria?
>>44797938
>Santa
...You can work for Santa in DF?
>>44797868
You're not a slave. You're paid, and you can quit and go get a new job every ten years. What you're basically saying is "being an employee is disgusting," in which case all to have to say is >>>/r9k/
>>44797308
>>44797430
At the very least, we can all agree that this is a VAST improvement over the original Touhou jump.
Which was not great. At all.
There aren't too many other things you could offer as perks though. You can go all-out with the meta-style plot perks and whatnot like in the Worm jump, but they're not exactly required or essential.
>>44797773
But how much of their power do you actually get?Sarissa didn't seem very impressive before the Mantle, and she was Mab's kid.
>>44797646
Would you rather be a generalist in the short term who develops tremendous power in one field in the long term? Go wizard, though I'd strongly recommend you take the season/illusion perk if you do.
Would you rather have a portfolio of arcane tricks with affinity to either the themes of summer or winter, on top of some supernatural physical attributes? Do you want to wield the power of Santa Claus against your enemies, and either go on to do so in other worlds or take a new job from a local being of power in exchange for a share of their supernatural advantages? Go Changeling, though I'd strongly recommend you take some casting perks if you do.
>>44797868
Free will is a myth.Religion is a joke.We're all pawns, controlled by something greater.
>>44797967
Yes. Or Donner Vaterrung, as he likes to call himself.
>>44797938
Wait, what.
What's DF Santa like? I might actually choose to stay with my original employer now.
>>44797967
Yep. And he's alsoOdin.
>>44797938
Still a slave.
>>44797974
Nothing is required or essential. You can argue that if it fits a 4 background 4 perk pattern, even if it has only 3 - 4 items, no companions, and a couple drawbacks, it's already a good jump. That's all that's needed for a baseline jump. By those standards, moeanon did an excellent job. He's gone nearly 200% above expectations.
>>44797967
Potentially, yes.He's the same person as Vadderung, you see. Old gods do new jobs
>>44797868
>>44797959
>>44797790
Jump-Chan just called solely to laugh at you.
And...kinda missing the point there, aren't you? You are, in fact, paid.
>>44797995
>>44797926
Because I don't want a shitstorm.
>>44797974
The old one was prettier.
>>44798054
MGSanon?
>>44798080
Actually, no. But everyone knows Monsoon.
He is, after all, a meme.
>>44798047
You work for jump-chan if you want to frame it that way, do you want to further restrict yourself by becoming someone elses slave and doing their dirty work as their lesser?
>>44797909
Sssh, shshshshshhshush. Don't bring logic into this, anon's waifu is pristine and sends him on multiversal adventures because she t-t-totally doesn't want to see him get stronger the baka.
>>44798057
>doesn't want a shitstorm
>flings shit, insults, and personal attacks out the gate
>>44798018
You've always been a slave if you're a Jumper. Your benefactor is just nice enough to dress it up as "CP". Also you're clearly an idiot, because you're ignoring the fact that you get benefits out of the arrangement and it's optional on your part.
>>44798003
Pretty cool guy. Let Harry beat him in a fight so he could take over the Wild Hunt and battle Outsiders.Helped rescue his daughter from evil primordial Mayan vampire sorceror-kings in his other persona
>>44798003
Badass. He rides with the Wild Hunt, hangs out with the Erlking and an Archmage gruff who can stomp fallen angels, is the male equivalent to the Queen of Air and Darkness, and helps out the protagonist.
>>44798106
Calling out a stupid opinion as stupid doesn't need to make the whole thread blow up.
>>44797984
She was trying to choose to be human. Sadly, that choice was taken out of her hands.
>>44798057
What, you think you can magically convince people that they're wrong and you're right on the internet?
Is it summer already?
>>44798155
Is a two person argument a shitstorm? It'd require more of you getting purposefully upset and complaining to evolve to that level.
>>44798019
I dunno, frankly the other guy's got a good point about how odd it is you can just sort of get like 3 of the more powerful characters' powersets just through jump purchases, whereas even the canon touhous are generally limited to, y'know, 1 powerset before accounting for whatever magic they practice. It's kind of like jumping Worm and getting Alexandria's shard as well as Eidolon's, Glastaig Uaine's, Grey Boy's and Sleeper's. Or jumping DC and getting Dream of the Endless' powers.
>>44798090
mgsanon please come back the thread needs you now
>>44798183
Anon's point is just that there are no requirements in jumpmaking, and that the Touhou jump is already more than what is 'essential'. That is the only argument they made.
>>44798094
>>44798156
If they offer me powers, why not?
That's what I've been doing for a few decades.
You're just insecure because you can't stand the idea of not being top dog.
>>44798204
Why do you want people to spam us to death and kill the thread because two people are bitching at each other? Are you that childish and petty?
>>44798204
It really doesn't, and never has.
>>44798210
Right. Mine still stands.
>>44794775
Halo style skill tree? Pretty please?
The perks look alright but I agree with >>44795175 and am glad you seem to recognise that they need more work.
>>44798215
Isn't it a bit silly to say that someone else is wrong and 'insecure' for not having the same mindset and goals as you? Are people wrong for wanting to be in charge? Should nobody ever be in charge of anything, lest they be 'insecure'?
>>44798231
I think your point would be helped if you had focused more on the multiple powers aspect and not segued into complaining about how strong the powers are, which makes your motive suspect.
Especially when they're mid-tier powers, in actuality. Top-tier Touhou is way more ridiculous.
>>44798183
Personally? I don't think he's wrong. Personally? I think the touhou jump as it is, given my standards, wouldn't even be considered a 0.1% WIP. But accepting what the community sees as "standard template", it's a workable jump, and honestly with moe gone, it's also not going to change.
That's why it's so funny seeing them argue about it, as if them bickering back and forth will magically solve moe's IRL stuff and whisk him back into the magical realm of jumpchain. I mean there's plenty of jumps that could be "reworked", and the authors have actually made themselves present, but here they are arguing over something that's likely to never change.
We've waited for 5 months for a 90% finished Muv Luv. We'll likely wait another year or two if moe hasn't moved on completely.
>>44798317
To be fair, most people literally cannot make something you would consider complete.
>>44798116
Er, points of order:
1. The archmage gruff stomps the posessed hosts of the fallen angels, neutralising the fallen angel by returning its' influence back to the denarius it's trapped in. Totally different thing from fighting the actual angel, but still damn impressive considering the things are unfathomably experienced, cunning and of course demonically powerful.
2. I believe it was stated somewhere that Mab is actually vastly more powerful than Odin in terms of raw power because the Faerie Queens wield serious mojo from the authority of their season-governing mantles.
Okay, so I I just assembled my Resident Evil Virus. I have:
Injection
Contact
Denial of Retrieval
Mental Clarity
Null And Void
Brain Buffer
Spin To Win
All Humans
Immediate
and Adonis.
Is this Virus safe to release? I wanted to build a virus that is only beneficial to people.
>>44798258
Isn't it a bit hypocritical to call others silly when as early as >>44797790 anon was calling other people losers for taking a choice he disliked?
>>44798294
Fair enough. After looking at the jump a second time I'm cool with some of the mid-tier powers since they're skill-based and it's the 600/800 ones that make me raise an eyebrow.
>>44798317
You're probably right, I'm just airing my opinions is all.
>>44798345
I'm well aware of that, which is well I'll go by QS's jump template as a "community standard" rather than the one I use for my own works.
>>44798258
And >>44797868 for another example of anon being way more of a petulant lil' shit than anyone arguing against him.
>>44798403
Sure. Looks fine to me.Can't wait to see how it somehow goes wrong
>>44798346
1. Yeah, I could have phrased it better. Even lower tier angels are implied to be stupidly powerful, seeing as how Harry described the one guarding Forthill's soul in terms evocative of how he describes Mab at her scariest. But it was one of the more dangerous and durable Denarians (Ursiel? I feel like it wasn't.) and it was described as like "swatting an uppity pixie" or something.
2. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the power levels are here, but I know Mab is more powerful. My point was really that he's the Winter King, which is less important than the Winter Queen, but meh.
>>44798435
>Fair enough. After looking at the jump a second time I'm cool with some of the mid-tier powers since they're skill-based and it's the 600/800 ones that make me raise an eyebrow.
You misunderstood. The 600 and 800 tier perks in that jump are mid-tier for the Touhou setting. You're treating them like they're top tier, but they're nowhere near it.
>>44797989
Don't forget Mortal and White Court either. They both have a lot of useful tricks to make up for their lack of or narrowly-focused powers, respectively, and a White Court who picks up some Mortal tricks or vice-verse could probably wield as much or more power than either of the other two choices, just on a much more indirect level.
Remember, who really won Skin Game? Harry, the pawn? Or Marcone, the king who wielded him?
>>44798435
>>44798486
They probably weren't being entirely serious.
>>44798512
>The 600 and 800 tier perks in that jump are mid-tier for the Touhou setting. You're treating them like they're top tier, but they're nowhere near it.
Well, Yuyuko's power to create death is strongly nerfed - not that we know much about it anyway. But otherwise I agree.
So, for the people who took the Golden Sky Stories jump, how did you modify the town?
>>44798537
White Court a shit. Slutpires pls go.
>>44798512
My understanding is that what's considered high-tier there includes things like poorly defined reality warping and extreme power that hasn't really been defined clearly, to use Yuuka and Yukari as examples. I was also told Flandre was locked in the basement because her sister was worried about her power, sounds pretty up there to me.
I find it hard to believe you'd be picked on if you had even a single 800/600 CP power, to be honest, unless you purposefully went around punching the most important people there in the face like some sort of idiot.
>>44798537
Mab, iirc, did as well or better than Marcone.
Not that it's really a fair comparison, just saiyan.
>>44798541
I want to believe you.
I really do.
But I've been in these threads too long, and I know there are folks out there who really do mean what they type. I'm not saying he's as bad as the following benchmark, but there was a time when people thought Bancho was being deliberately obtuse after all.
>>44798607
Malvanis a best
>>44798614
That's missing the point, really. All I'm saying is that those are serious power, true, but they're mid-tier. It's 'normal', stuff that's not too uncommon among named characters. It's not the top tier of Touhou.
>>44798566
I thought Yuyuko was just a judge in the underworld, not somebody who goes around shoving people in the bag.
>>44798537
I always regretted not being able to afford Kiss of Death personally. I wish I could think of more creative uses for it.
>>44798662
I was deliberately exaggerating my dislike of the perk to jokingly call you people slaves because I do not personally like the idea of working for people for pay in my fantasy adventure.
>>44798614
Flandre's locked away because she's a small child and can't control herself.
>>44798701
No, I'm not disagreeing-maybe I'm not making my point clear, I'm saying what's abnormal is having more than one of those when everyone there usually only has one of those powersets and in fact potentially being able to afford 3 or 4 of them.
I dunno, maybe I'm just overly pedantic and anti-fun in this cold weather. It's just my opinion, nothing more.
>>44798607
>not drinking people's despair
>>44798728
Hyperbole and sarcasm don't carry well via text. They really don't.
>>44797517
Could I have Shapeshifting + Adamantium (And maybe Vibranium, not sure I have the points) just be like Colossus? That is I turn into it and it moves like normal flesh aside from it's durability?
>>44798773
Well I wasn't disagreeing with that point so much (or agreeing with it), we were talking specifically about the part of the post that seemed to be complaining about the power LEVEL, then from there was a misunderstanding about what I meant with mid-tier and what's mid-tier in Touhou.
>>44798728
Ah. That's both a relief and while I disagree personally I concede there's some fairly rational reasons why the concept might not appeal to some.
Sorry, sarcasm doesn't transmit very well in e-text.
Also, to pre-empt anyone before they ask: I don't think there's enough material for a Hitsugi no Chaika jump for the same approximate reasons why I don't think Kaze no Stigma would work as a jump: There's just not enough lore fleshed out to make it work.
>>44798782
Sure, though note he's nowhere near as tough as the 'true' metal. I mean, he's been taken out by tank shells before. Still a boost over pure Toughness, though.
>>44798728
>joking
>deliberately saying X
You're backpedaling.
>>44798812
Alright, that's my misunderstanding then because I thought we'd moved on from that onto other topics.
>>44798771
I thought it was implied to be a bit of both since she's also the uber-hard bonus boss, isn't she?
>>44798817
>>44798776
I thought the use of silly language like 'loser' would make it clear.
>>44798871
>A person cannot deliberately tell a joke.
>>44798900
I'm sorry to break this to you and I don't know how long you've been here, but I've seen sillier language used in all seriousness here and in other threads
>>44798782
Am I the only one who's cool with just leaving everything separate?
>>44798873
Flandre's problem is self control. She's powerful enough to cause a problem if she goes all out, but that doesn't mean she'd be able to beat up Gensokyo or anything. It becomes an issue because Flandre doesn't have an adult understanding of consequences and how to use and control her powers. That's the main difference between her and Remilia. Remilia became a vampire and got her powers just after she had developed more mental maturity, and thus Remi can handle herself and become more mentally adult. The slightly younger Flandre got hers before this point, and thus is mentally perpetually a child, and not a particularly well behaved one.
>>44798948
No, I didn't combine anything either.
>>44798900
>saying something inflammatory
>continuing it onward for a long-ass while
>suddenly going "lol guys jk it was a joke"
The definition of a backpedal.
>>44798982
Can you not be so offended by things? If you think it fell flat then that's that, doesn't mean you need to sit here and attack people and try to tell them what they intended like you're a psychic mind reader.
>>44798838
Isn't he some made up metal with durability that fluctuates depending on the writer from 'almost as tough as cap's shield' to 'barely worth doing'?
I just want to literally be the metal, except living, with the properties that implies. What would I have to do to take the full strength stuff without being a statue?
Also, if you do take a Vibranium + Adamantium item do you effectively have one of the super versions of Adamantuim, or is that something else? Pretty sure the best version needs some other unknown ingredients but if V+A is really good I might take that.
>>44798948
Combing is the only way you'd be able to have a unique superhero theme, though. Or be as strong as an actual superhero.
What do you guys think of the Renegade Jumper supplement? I just read through it and thought it seemed pretty fun as a late-game challenge.
>>44799048
Trash.
>>44799030
Eh, being unique is overrated. And Marvel is silly enough I'd rather stick around on the street than actually get involved in superheroics.
>>44799048
Most people hate the fact that it gives free stuff. Personally, I don't care, but I've never actually gotten around to it myself.
>>44799058
Any reasons, or just not your cup of tea?
>>44799090
Multiplayer implications go against the intended lore and spirit. Gives free warehouse parts.
>>44798239
With the new power set its entirely a possibility. Though the primary issue is that we have no idea HOW halo's powers scale through her perk tree.
>>44797517
>>44797536
I think this is fairly good warnings against the current system and its future development. This is exactly why I brought it to thread now, I did not want to get invested in a broken system.
Expect powers that will try to go along the lines of what >>44795175 said as I already had a hold on that part of Grrl Powers powersets but was trying a different angle to get them going.
No there will not be limits on how many you can buy. Well, I mean cp is a limit, but its in every jumpchain jump.
>>44799017
Yeah, he fluctuates pretty widely. I was taking his "standard" which is usually a little tougher than the described Toughness.
No can do, for precisely this reason. There's a tradeoff; the tougher you are, the slower you are. If you want to be able to just turn into a (immobile) statue temporarily though, that would work.
Yes, it would be the "Cap's Shield" option.
>>44799030
Honestly, I tried to build it so you could be most heroes (or at least the ones I could think of) without needing to combo. It might be harder to be unique, but people like Cyclops and Cap stay competitive with the equivalent of one or two 100-CP perks. If I failed, I apologize.
>>44798948
I pretty much left everything separate too.
Except combining Regen+Speed, since i'm taking every regen option I can find all the time.
Still left me with 950cp of separate stuff through.
>>44799017
Vibranium and adamantium dont like each other. They legit tear each other apart in canon.
>>44799149
But Cap's shield is made of it.
>>44799159
Caps shield is vibranium. If its different in one comic I apologise but generally its not good to put them together.
>>44799159
And only it. All attempts at recreating it failed.
>>44799159
And that's the only time that's worked. Ever (at least as far as I know). And nobody knows why, even some of the supposed omniscients. Comics, man.
>>44799192
>One comic
Dude it's pretty well established.
>>44799200
Maybe. But it's possible and all that.
>>44799149
Fortunately we have Jumchan willing to safely combine them for us.
>>44799109
I get where you're coming from, but I like the idea that other jumpers are out there, as late-game opponents that you'd be unable to easily beat since they also make jumps and retain perks. As for your warehouse complaint, I haven't really used the warehouse much so I can't really comment.
>>44799221
Still in only 1 comic. Caps comics.
>>44799200
Couldn't someone just go back in time to and/or scry the creation of Cap's Shield and find out what it's composed of?
>>44799262
Pedant.
>>44799259
This isn't an argument. You asked why I didn't like it. I told you.
>>44799280
You'd think so, but none of those able to do so, or able to literally time travel, or those who have been watching literally everything, or everything on Earth have actually done so.
>>44799296
Not trying to make it an argument, just giving my perspective.
>>44799280
Has been repeatedly tried, never worked. People thought they saw it, but instead got explosions; people have gone back and stolen it, and instead gotten things that are tough but not as tough; it just never works. Something about the time/place, some authors have said "spirit of AMERICA..." It just doesn't work, even for people like Loki and (omnipotent) Dr. Doom. Comic books, man.
>>44799335
Sometimes it's like they're trying to be retarded on purpose.
>>44799322
Seriously? The hell is going on? Is this a plot point, some blatent metaphor for truth justice and the American way or both?
>>44799048
I think it's a fun thought experiment. I'm using it as an extremely lategame story/challenge. ... like, it's probably like my second-to-last jump, late.
It's sortof a... proof of final concept for me, where a bunch of stuff finally gets hammered down.
By that point I don't even GET anything for it. Some people think it sucks because you get warehouse stuff, but my warehouse is so ridiculous and stupid by this point that a crappy little extra space is useless to me.
It's literally just "Here's a jump where you and everyone you know almost permadeath and you don't even get anything for it. Have fun!"
I guess someone could cheese it by going really, really super early, so the min/maxing jumper has only been to like one or two jumps, but that seems pretty boring and dumb to me.
>>44799366
Yes.
>>44799366
Comic books are about casually ignoring aspects of the universe depending on the author and subject material for the sake of presenting stories without trying to account for everything other authors add in.
Im sure there's a way to apply this to jumpchain but that's besides the point
>>44799335
So if we try to do it, even with all the science perks, even if we time travel back to when it was made and copy the recipe on a molecular level... it'll still fail?
>>44799501
Are you a real american?
>>44799519
Nope. Guess I could try suggesting they make a spare since they don't know exactly how durable it'll be, or if he'll be able to keep from dropping it or something.
>>44799501
You're asking the wrong question
The question is: How American are you?
And the answer is: Not enough for Marvel physics you dirty commie
>>44799552
Technically Cap's shield was not intentionally made in the first place. It was from an experiment of mixing various things to make an Iron Vibranium Alloy, and the guy doing it was tired/asleep during the test that created the shield.
>>44799552
Unless you also make it so Captain America dual wields the shields or regularly switches, you'll end up with whichever of the two is close, but not quite, to being Proto-Adamantium. If they even succeed in making a second, considering how purely accidental the first was.
>>44799552
It was also kind of an accident, and used up all of a mystery component that was probably part of the special mixture. They couldn't make two if they tried. Also, people who can construct things at the atomic level have failed to duplicate it. And that it's harder to work with than Mjolnir.
>>44799634
>Captain America dual wields the shields
Oh god it's Dark Souls all over again.
>>44799611
>>44799645
So in short-kinda like the formula used to make Cap himself? Poetry.
Now I want to give Leet from Worm some vibranium and some adamantium, force him to listen to the American national anthem for 24 hours straight and then lock him in a workshop with mastercraft tools and the metals just to see what he'd make from it.
>>44799661
DROP YOUR SHIELD
>>44799661
What, you don't miniaturise the shield technology from your Light of Terra and saunter into battle dual wielding shields like some sort of clappy bird?
What kind of Jumper are you?
>>44799696
>>44799661
>>44799696
So I just finished watching HP:OotP. It was on TV, don't judge. Anyway, since I'm not great on HP lore, I was looking for a bit of assistance.
What's the name of that flying ability that leaves a light or dark trail in its wake? The spell / ability they use at the end during the big fight. Anyone know it's name and have any information on it?
>>44799881
It's a form of apparition only present in the films.
>>44799048
>Location roll for renegade jumper
Nice idea but pointless for me, I just have them respawn every jump as an enemy, steadily improving every time.
>Building your foe
Only 10 jumps? No, instead I've had Nemesis ever since the 10th jump, steadily growing stronger as they make choices each jump.
>Drawbacks
Every jump I build them with max CP, and depending on their personalities they'll pick different things.
>Reward
What reward? They're only here to make primary jumper miserable, why would there be a reward?
The longer the chain goes, the more Nemesis show up, some of them kill each other off, others team up, etc.
>>44799109
Fuck you, multiplayer is delicious.
>>44799881
There isn't a name for it, it's just something they made up for the films to make Death Eaters look spooky.
Weirdly enough though in DH Voldemort alone suddenly pulls off the same spell. I think Rowling saw the movies, decided they were cool and decided to just throw it in.
>>44800096
Too much sourcream.
>>44800108
No such thing. As long as it's genuine sour cream and not that shitty 'cheap mayonnaise with extra sour cream flavoured food additive' crap.
>>44800108
You can make potatoes if all involved players explicitly agree and are cool with it. Otherwise you're just that faggot who runs into the kitchen and shits on everyone's plate. Nobody likes that guy.
Renegade Jumper doesn't actually require anyone else to have to eat that shit, so it's totally up to the anon in question whether they're fine with it or not.
>>44800227
I dunno man, I always thought the key to a good potato was finding a balance between sour cream, chopped spring opinions and ground bacon
>>44800257
Would've been quicker just to type Tera or Bancho.
>potatoes, potatoes, potatoes
I don't get it.
>>44800257
People do not like the lore implications or the free items. You've been told this.
I also hate how you keep trying to justify your stupid garbage when people just wanted to joke about potatoes.
>>44800317
Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew.
>>44800317There was a joke Multiplayer Supplement made by a guy named Epicureanon.
It's actually a potato casserole recipe.
>>44800317
Someone started talking about a multiplayer supplement they were making, got the thread really worked up, then posted what turned out to be a recipe for a pretty tasty potato casserole I think it was.
>>44800320
> all anons are the same
>>44800402
The only people in this thread are you, me, and the namefags. And I'm not so sure about the namefags.
>>44800383
>>44800377
>Epicureanon
So, he was a troll or what? I don't get the multiplayer joke.
>>44800402
Man, if the Borg had assimilated 4chan they would have destroyed themselves.
>>44800480
A troll who became a genuine jumpmaker.
Made Battlestar Gallactica, Dragon Age: Inquisition, and Dragon's Crown.
>>44799789
Forgot your music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp8Th41rBs
>>44800480
A little, but not really? He ended up doing the Dragon's Crown, Dragon Age: Inquisition and Battlestar Galactica jumps.
I guess you really had to be there fore it.
>>44800454
>on the internet, nobody knows you're a namefag without the name on
>>44794736
So I'm doing my SCP buildbecause for some dumbass reason I think it's a good ideaand have a question about the Location bit.
What's up with the second paragraph of it? I get that if you're an SCP you can choose between those two specified locations. Taking a Keter-class ability gets you labeled as Keter, though otherwise you can be either Euclid or Safe. I get lost around "Foundation-Friendly" part. It's not a perk later in the Jump, but you can be assigned duties despite being in containment yourself? What?
Also, Jumpers! How long is your rapsheet?
>>44800480
A lot of people don't want multiplayer and for good reason. It would definitively become a pissing contest and open way for Jumper builds created just to kill other jumpers.
So when word got spread that a multiplayer supplement was being made, of course people got angry. But it turned out to be a troll that everyone laughed at and has become forever the response to jumpchain multiplayer.
You can still find the supplement on the drive.
>>44800553
>How long is your rapsheet?
A curious question, because a) my best crimes are the ones where I've not been caught and b) most of my most heinous acts tend to happen in lawless settings.
>>44800553
Sometimes they'll use humanoid SCPs for missions. Othertimes, the ones that look human and act human are basically given a job in the facility to keep them occupied or because they're useful and aren't likely to breach containment.
>>44800567
>A lot of people
Honestly, has ANYONE ever actually WANTED multiplayer-that is, a free-for-all for any and all Jumpers instead of a few gimmick builds some folks do in private-to be the norm? As far as I can remember the response to it has always been a universal fuck no by everyone involved in the discussion.
>>44800567
co-op multiplayer actually works fine, it's the every-jumper-for-themselves style multiplayer that would cause the shitstorms. That's what killed magical realm in the end, fuckwits turning it into a pissing contest and rubbing their fetishes in everyones faces.
>>44800673
I should point out they phased out 076-2 by the time of the current timeline. As far as I know, they currently only use humanoid SCPs for low-risk activities or in circumstances where they're absolutely certain they can control their agency.
>>44800681
The only thing I can think of is people being interested in runs with a few friends. I don't think anyone wants free for all multiplayer.
>>44800681
I think Tera tried it. Says it all, really.
>>44800681
Early on yes.
>>44800681
A couple people have done joint chains and multiplayer with close friends, and that's about it. Nobody has ever tried to do a free-for-all as far as I'm aware, except for Tera, who tried to pick fights with a couple other people, and was universally denounced as a faggot.
>>44800681
I believe Dirge has said that he has run/participated in multiplayer chains a few threads back.
>>44800553
Not as long as some others like Val's, but fairly long.
However, in my defense, those are from societies whose "justice system" goes against what we would consider morally right.
Worlds like Commorragh or corrupt governments like Akame Ga Kill.
Though even those aren't as long as they should be as I often like to go at it like a Predator (the Yautja species) with a little bit of Batman.
I hunt them down and kill them without anyone else seeing it. The only, believable, evidence being left behind tending to be what I want left for when I want to send a message.
Why does one idiot keep bringing this up lately?
>>44800724
In retrospect it's honestly impressive how ASA never even replied to him once or even acknowledgedTera even existed, especially while the rest of the thread was busy roasting the fucker
Or maybe he actually went and filtered him permanently like a sensisble person
>>44800810
I thought it was just Val and someone called Alice
>>44800716
>>44800701
>>44800567
Well, yeah. Co-op multiplayer isn't nearly as bad a free-for-all, but I was talking about general multiplayer which tends to be anything but co-op.
It's probably from my years of video games that I no longer put co-op and multiplayer in the same category.
>>44800833
What, comic book physics, hurt feelings or multiplayer?
I imagine it's because we've recently got some new blood and they're curious since they weren't there for the more morbidly colourful parts of jumpchain history
>>44800810
He does self-contained ones, mostly to test his jumps before release.
