Dungeons & Dragons 5th edition general thread.
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>>44603797
>Core rulebooks, adventure modules, Unearthed Arcana
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>Pastebin with homebrew list, resources and so on:
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>Discussion topic:
What's in your character's backpack?
>>44626892
>What's in your character's backpack?
Only the bare essentials: Ten darts, 80 pieces of chalk, a crowbar, 10 pieces of soap, two bags of caltrops, a mirror, and a bear trap.
>>44626968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogQ0uge06o
>>44626892
20 bottles of Alchemist's Fire and 20 bottles of oil
Does anyone have the list of named spellbooks with a list of spells already in them?
DM first timer here, any good starting tips? Running Princes of the Apocalypse and we're at the Trouble in Red Larch bitI know one tip is to make notes, so I'm doing that now
Daily reminder that playing UDL sorc is shit and makes you shit.
>>44627052
> UDL sorc
Anon is about to have a bad day.
>>44627034
Nm, I found it. Forgot I had it uploaded somewhere. Here it is for anyone that cares.
>>44626892
>Backpack contents
5x Rations
20x Seeds of various Plants
Water Skin
Component Pouch (w/ Spell components)
Bear Totem
Map of Local County (Quest Item which is now useless)
Plus Yew Club for hittin' shit
For a 6th level Bearbarian (4 Druid 2 Barb) I'm surprised he was the one who got the map first.
Also to clarrify something on multi-classing.
Since I multi-classed into Barbarian from Druid, do I get to take Rage and the rest of the stuff a Barbarian can do, or do I have to somehow buy into those?
The multi-classing rules were quite vague on that/I must have missed it if it said otherwise.
My GM is actually interested in what my Warlocks bargain is. Standard "you have my soul upon my death" seems a little weak, and he rejected a rumpelstilstzkin deal for my first child. Anyone have any ideas for cool Faustian bargains? Pact is with a fiend (which one is also a good question) and I'm playing a Tiefling if that helps any.
Is there a quick reference sheet for rules or something similar? I'd like to give my players something like that but I can't find anything.
>>44627042
If you're running a premade adventure read the whole thing through once, then go back and thoroughly read just the bit you're going to run each session. Don't try to get it all into your head at once, it's more trouble than it's worth.
Make notes of every NPC, location, or other thing of interest you mention. Your players will bring it up, and you will forget.
Prepare a few extra simple encounters that you can pull out incase the players go off book.
>>44627093
I think this might be what you are looking for.
>>44627088
You get all the abilities, and whatever proficiencies the table says you get. I think with barb you get like, 2 skill profs but nothing else.
>>44627122
It's very informative, but the layout is just awful for newer players.
>>44627092
...That's exactly what a Faustian bargain is. There's not really a lot you can do to mix it up.
I have played a couple warlocks and tried to go for other pact types. The most recent one (which I posted about before) was a Feylock who's "patron" was a Winter Court Prince imprisoned within the warlock's body by his rivals. The entire relationship was basically a sitcom with ice lasers.
>>44627169
So everything on the table, but not the hit-die for taking a level in Barbarian? Would I just take a hit-die in Druid like I leveled in Druid or take the Barb's 1d12 for the level?
>>44627177
Unfortunately it is, however it's the only summary sheet I have.
I have this sheet that describes other things, but I'm not sure if it's what you need. The DM screen info would probably be up your alley.
I would say just take relevant info and make one yourself to be honest.
Make a PDF and post it here even, I'm sure others would even help.
>>44627092
Bargain:
- your name
- the memory of a deceased loved one
- your memories, period
- years of your life. You're immortal as long as your patron is happy, but he'll collect it all at once if you piss him off.
>first-born
Propose to your dm that you actually are the first-born, and your father made the pact. You're bound to service and your father is a dickhead who sold his kid for wealth.
>>44627052
UDL is a warlock archetype. Well done, faggot
>>44627283
It was still very good though, my thanks.
I might actually try to make a simple one tonight, I'll definitely post it here once it's done.
>>44627334
Maybe he means combining the two? It's a pretty solid way to make your fire spells do double CHA as bonus.
Which is a cool thing if you got greenflame blade+shillelagh+quicken.
>>44627307
I like this. I'm gonna check with him and see if he'll allow this. Thank you.
>>44627392
Maybe he did, but consider this: do you really want to defend obvious bait?
>>44627307
>Propose to your dm that you actually are the first-born, and your father made the pact. You're bound to service and your father is a dickhead who sold his kid for wealth.
Been looking for a way to rationalize a warlock who is actively trying to kill / screw over his patron. I like this. Basically, the Patron thinks it's a game, and feeds the character power to taunt / tempt it with more power.
>>44627392
Bait aside, what's a good build for that?
>>44627347
No prob.
Please do, I feel like 5e does need a simple "If you know these you can play sheet" rather than a "We condensed the rules down by 70 pages sheet"
Also here's a spell list in a more appropriate format.
>>44627458
It builds itself. Lightlock 2, Drag Sorcerer 18.
>>44627092
-You have to damn 100 other souls or your soul is forfeit. This could mean tricking people into signing over their souls to your patron or physically capturing them in some kind of phylactery or horcrux.
-You're the fiend's proxy on the Material Plane. You may be free to do whatever you want most of the time, but if they need an powerful artifact stolen, an important figure of good assassinated, a portal to hell opened or whatever other evil deed done, you better do it.
-You're getting access to your patron's infernal power with no strings attached. They might want to do them a small favor down the road, but that's probably not even going to happenIT IS.
>>44627671
>phylactery or horcrux
The horcruxes were phylacteries. Rowling was fond of using traditional fantasy ideas with new names and twists. I thought it was quite clever; I didn't realize Voldy was a fairly standard Lich for a long time.
>>44627092
The fiend just legitimately thinks you're a cool guy.
The fiend has a crush on you.
The fiend wants to take over the world; you are but one of his many sleeper agents. You don't have to start killing people at random, but if you can set things up to be weak or unstable in the future, you have to.
The fiend holds the soul of your lover captive, and will only keep it safe from torture or destruction if you serve it.
You traded the soul of your lover for power, something that still haunts you to this day.
Your powers seem to have no tradeoff. However unbeknownst to you, there is in fact a fiend trapped inside a ring given to you by your uncle. As revenge for being imprisoned, the fiend corrodes the soul and body of whoever wears it, leading to hastened aging, madness, and assorted cancers and malignancies as time goes by. The finger you wear the ring on constantly feels strange and uneasy, as though you'd just seen the same finger cut off of someone else. However try as you might, you just can't bring yourself to remove it.
>>44626892
Mess kit, cooking set with a few decent knifes pans and pots, tent, sleeping bag, extra sets of clothes, a few bars of soap, smoked meat and sausages , a few bags of rice and beans, a bag of spice, salt, flint and steel, axe, 30 meters of rope, crowbar, Alchemists supplies, 10 Bottles of Alchemists fire, 10 Bottles of oil, 5 torches, 10 throwing knifes, 3 5 litre metallic water-bottles coated with ceramic inside, a shovel and and a hammer.
>>44627508
May want to go tome lightlock 3 for shillelagh GFB.
Also may want to dip pally in there, just to be sure you absolutely murderize everyone in one hit you SAD piece of shit.
>>44627986
Or, you know, don't. At this point you're at least level 6 before your cheese engine really gets chugging.
I was watching a video about 5e, and the guy mentioned Cleric's have the ability to cast Cure Wounds in place of any prepared spell. Where is this in the rulebook? Is the guy pulling it out of his ass?
>>44628167
Completely out of his ass and didn't actually read the rulebook. It's an ability clerics have in 3.PF, iirc, but not in 5e.
>>44628192
It'd be superflous in 5e, considering how the spellslots work.
>>44628211
Well, you'd still have the benefit of not having to prepare it, which would be nice. You only get level+STAT spells to prepare anyway.
That said, your domain spells are always prepared and don't count against that number. So Life clerics can cast it whenever.
>>44628167
>>44628192
>>44628211
Read the book, life clerics have it always available as a domain spell.
>>44628565
No shit, but that's one of like 9 cleric subclasses in 5e right now and sounds suspiciously like the video maker in question is talking about 3.5e spontaneous casting feature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnS14PQcXSs
>>44628565
> didn't read the thread
> REEEEEEEEEEAD THE BOOK
>>44628815
I did.The first poster asked a question with a simple answer. the second poster railed down the guy in the fisrt posters mentioned as flat wrong, even though life cleric gets it as a domian spell. To me it sounded like second poster didn't read the book.
So, I'm gonna be DMing Out of the Abyss once my group finished up Horde of the Dragon Queen/Rise of Tiamat. Which will probably take awhile so that gives me plenty of time to plan ahead.
One of the things I decided was to make the 10 fellow prisoners from the Drow Camp available as potential PC-replacements, and so I re-statted all of them as PCs.
Anyone else as crazy as me? For the record...
>Buppido the Derro Psychopath
NE Rogue, Charlatan background, emphasis on stabbiness and stealthiness.
>Prince Derendil, the Insane Quaggoth
CG Ranger, Noble background. Set up for melee. Favored enemy elves and dwarves (i.e., drow and duergar), favored terrain Underdark.
>Eldeth Feldrun, the Lost Dwarf
LG Fighter, Soldier background. As bog-standard a dwarf as they come.
>Jimjar, the Svirfneblin Trickster
CN Rogue, Criminal background. More about wordplay and stealing stuff.
>Ront, the Orc Who Ran
CE Barbarian, Outlander background. Ironically the only character who speaks Common.
>Sarith Kzekarit, the Doomed Drow
LE Paladin, Noble background. Can heal himself and others and is useful as he knows drow tactics.
>Shuushar the Awakened
LN Monk, Hermit background. Good knowledge skills overwhelmingly the most perceptive. But he won't raise a fist against anyone, for any reason. His Hermit perk is that he knows the location of the Lost Tomb of Khaem and, therefore, Dawnbringer.
>Stool, the Myconid Hero
NG Druid, Folk Hero background. Stool is the only real spellcaster, is good at Underdark survival, and isn't insane, unlike Prince Derendil.
>Topsy & Turvy, Wererats In Disguise
True Neutral Rangers, Urchin background. Both have the same stats. Favored enemies are Undead and Oozes, and favored terrain is cities (ignoring that that's not technically a valid choice). Not good at Underdark survival, but very useful in cities.
>>44628565
the guy was talking specifically about a war domain cleric.
>>44627394
Looking skinny, orcus.
>>44629095
If the party likes the idea then go for it.
Also, this is sorta some big spoilers. Not that most people don't already know this stuff by now, just saying you may want to spoiler bar stuff like this in the future.
>>44626892
I like to be prepared: Wooden jar filled with honey, blanket, bedroll, holly, mistletoe, cookpot, mess kit, grooming kit, component pouch, flint and steel, 4x sacks, 2x waterskins, 5x rations
Plus various bits and bobs in pouches and pockets (salt, a couple apples, knives, couple potions..the usual)
>>44629210
I don't spoiler tag things that came out more than a month ago. If I think it's going to be a really big deal then I just won't talk about the thing; but a D&D campaign doesn't qualify.
>>44629095
my dm just gaven they xp and they advanced on levels as it went. (they all needed a shitload of xp to get a level in a class, which would follow the monster with classes rules from the DMG).
Really, no player will play as Shuustar and stay in character.
Btw, some of those CANT be player characters without spoiling some of the fun and mystery.
>>44629157
Well then that is a good detail that could of been included earlier. Well the simple answer is only life domain can spontaneously cast cure wounds, but honestly what cleric is not going to prepare cure wounds if they cant spontaneously cast it?
>>44629157
I went back and watched the video, it seems that he is just confusing the ability to cast a prepared spell multiple times as a cleric ability centered around cure wounds. Don't think I'll be watching more videos from this guy.
I'm on the fence between making a wizard (conjuration/transmutation/illusion) and a warlock (fey/old one) for my first campaign in 5e. What do you all prefer in your arcane magic users?
I enjoy characters that have a lot of out of combat utility and in combat focus more on control than damage. I consider summons, battlefield control spells, and illusions the most fun way to contribute to combat. Crafting is another big one for me, but of course 5e's crafting rules are just as annoying as any other D&D crafting rules (80 days to make a single breastplate? Really?)
Thoughts? Suggestions?
>>44629298
Cleric's who don't want to cast Cure Wounds.
>>44629453
Either one are viable, but Wizard is better for out of combat by a significant margin. Tomelock can sort of compete though by being the only character that can learn all the rituals, but even then Wizard is better because of his access to more of the better non-combat spells.
If you are coming from 3.5/PF you have to keep in mind that Wizards can't solo battles any more because most of the powerful summons/control/illusions require your one allotment of concentration. Wizards are still swiss army knives, but they are only able to do so much at one time now.
>>44629700
Well, necromancers can kinda play the solo game, but yeah, there are a bit fewer broken spells.
>>44629700
Yeah I actually like that change to be honest. It adds much more of a planning aspect to being a wizard in a fun way, like the new preparation rules for spells.
>>44629281
>Btw, some of those CANT be player characters without spoiling some of the fun and mystery.
For the individual player, perhaps, but personally I'm kinda hoping that someone's character dies, they take Topsy or Buppido, and I tell them the truth about them, see how they handle it without the rest of the party knowing.
>>44629453
Wizard does everything you want much better than warlock. Warlock is made to be an EB machine gun and is weak in all other fields
>>44629453
>80 days to make a single breastplate?
Well, multiple people working together can do it faster. Remember that Ye Old Medieval Smith wouldn't have been working alone, but would have had two or three apprentices helping with everything he did.
>>44627042
Go here >>>44608552 (or is it >>44608552)and watch how Matt DMs
>>44629905
> weak in all other fields
> Charisma skills, immunity to charming, buncha free shit via invocations.
Enjoy your bookworm.
>>44629967
Using 5e's rules, it still takes a group of 4 appropriately proficient craftsmen 3 weeks of work to make one breastplate. That is also assuming it's the only item they're working on for those 3 weeks.
That just doesn't seem right to me..I really wish they had a complexity rating for crafting items rather than "what it costs on the market determines how long it takes to craft". Which leads to the usual issues people bring up about crafting poisons and yadda yadda..
I get that they do it for balance reasons since you could reasonably be allowed to make a PC shop and sell things for profit, but it really stretches things when it takes 3 days for a lone smith to make a longsword and 3 weeks for a team of smiths to make one piece of armor.
>>44630116
>"free shit via invocations"
May as well say you get free shit via schools.
What invocations are good anyway? The ones that buff EB are basically tax, as well as the Tome/Blade ones. You can take darkness/devils sight, and the one that gives you training in a bunch of skills, but what else?
>>44630290
> ITT: Anon measures the size of his e-peen by kicking the crippled kid
Not a 5th edition request, but this is the D&D general.
Does anyone have a PDF of Dungeon #151, the first Dungeon Wizards put out after Paizo lost it and just before 4th came out? It was free, but it's no longer on the Wizards site. I need the Nicholas Logue adventure, Hell's Heart, the third in a trilogy he wrote.
I would appreciate it or any clues to how I can get a copy. Thank you!
>>44630290
The at will spells are pretty nice. Detect magic, Disguise Self/Alter Self, and Silent Image jump out at me as fun possibilities.
>>44630290
> free disguise/alter self
> free levitate
> free detect magic
> free Mage armor
>>44630321
Also this.
>>44630342
>> Not a 5th edition request, but this is the D&D general.
>unapologetically hijacks thread
Geddafuckout.
>>44630356
Forgot about those.
Those are good. Tho, then again, you get free use of something you probably won't use that much. Detect magic is probably really good.
>>44627334
Dumb question, but Google is failing me. The fuck is a UDL warlock?
>>44630383
There's also the telepathy and "you can read anything" ones that are pretty nice depending on the campaign.
>>44630422
Isn't there a ritual that already does the read anything stuff? Or am I mixing that with 4e?
>>44630413
Undying light I assume. Never seen it abbreviated like that but it works.
>>44630413
Undying Light Warlock
https://media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/02_UA_Underdark_Characters.pdf
>>44630444
Comprehend language allows you to read and understand any language. 1st lvl ritual.
>>44630413
Undying light. It's an Unearthed Arcana archetype: your patron is the raw stuff of the positive plane.
Fucked-up fluff and completely broken damage stacking with dragon sorc. Favorite of munchkins and snowflakes everywhere.
>>44630484
You can refluff it.
I'm thinking of playing/making a "paladin" sorcerer/warlock/paladin whose patron is a celestial gold dragon.
>>44630444
>>44630475
What's your point? Warlocks don't even need a spell to do it, much less one that requires you to wave your hands around for 10 minutes.
> only if it's a ritual
Don't lie; you didn't prepare this shit.
>>44630554
Wizards can use any ritual they have in their book, don't need to prepare it.
>>44630554
>>44630597
Also, how many times do you need to read something without having had 10 minutes to prepare?
>>44630597
...Hence why you're doing it as a ritual, and therefore taking 10 times the casting time.
If you wanted to correct me, you'd have pointed out that the Ritual casting time for complang is 1 minute, not 10.
>>44630554
I have it as a known spell, but I'm a tome lock so I would never waste a spell slot on casting it as a normal spell unless I had to. Warlocks get so few spells a day.
>>44630444
Comprehend languages doesn't let you read secret languages.
Eyes of the Rune Keeper doesn't have that limitation.
>>44630722
Good point.
>>44630648
> wasting a Tomelock spell on comprehend languages
See >>44630722
>>44630753
>Wasting an incantation vs copying it from a wizard or scroll.
>>44630722
Comprehend languages also requires you to touch the surface of what you're reading and takes a minute per page.
>>44627092
It is not very faustian but I usually roll with " the patron wants you to do something", often without explaining why, bonus points if the act seems a bit weird but harmless. To make an exhample,the Undying patron of one of my players' warlock asks her to tear out the eyes of the enemies she or her party fells. Now of course if sounds shady as fuck so the warlock is trying to keep it a secret from the others- save the ranger who is, in fact, spooked as fuck- but after all hey, it is just a silly thing like putting eyes on the ground, on the outside of any building, at night, after their former owners are dead, and in exchange I get to fire laser beams and shit. Sounds better than selling my son or my soul or shit, plus the patron seems like a cool and totally not demanding guy. Hell of a bargain right?
Except not. Except this is going to fuck her, and possibly a lot of people too, in the ass. I mean it is a shady contract from below, don't tell me you didn't figure.
>>44630753
see >>44630798
You only get a few invocations until you get into the lvl 10 area. even then there are better invocations out there to grab than some script breaker eyes. Like the one that lets you cast polymorph or the one that lets you push people away each time you hit them with an eldrich blast.
>>44630977
>Like the one that lets you cast polymorph
The one that requires level 7 and works once a day?
>>44631018
The one that lets you levitate at will at level nine is not so bad though, say.
>>44631031
You do realize there are more than 2 people in this discussion, yeah?
>>44631059
More than 3, too.
>>44631031
I like that one too. Closest thing to at will flying a warlock can get unless you are a winged tiefling.
>>44631018
Because warlocks can cast more than 2 spells a rest before lvl 11. Also a good polymorph can change the course of a battle pretty quick. A giant ape or T-rex will wreck shit against another CR 7 creature. Besides you can't learn polymorph as any character before 7 anyways.
>>44631080
Right. I don't know what the fuck that's supposed to mean, so, you win, I guess.
Kleenex is over there.
>>44631113
Now I am not sure if you could fly at will without being a winged tiefling in any other class, though.
Flying, not jumping your speed, Totem Barbarian.
>>44631162
> chirping Aaracokras
>>44631194
It makes me laugh more than it is supposed to.
Yeah, anywya, I meant with class features. Storm Sorcerer maybe?
>>44631269
Dragon sorcerers get wings at 14th.
Druids can turn into flying beasts by 8th, and at that point it might as well be at-will because they can retain a single wild shape for 4 hours.
>>44627307
I have a player that is playing a warlock and she has flat out refused to ever tell anyone in the game her name. I'm going to ask her to make it because her patron will remove her powers if she ever tries to tell it to anyone. How does that sound?
In truth, I think she's just not telling anyone because "lol xd random" but I've really needed an excuse
>>44631269
And tempest Cleric.
>>44631297
What is her patron?
>>44631297
I don't understand why the patron would care unless it were a matter of exclusivity.
I suggest something more like the patron having taken her name: she doesn't refuse to give it because she's being goofy spooky, she legitimately can't remember.
Think spirited away.
>>44631293
There aren't a lot of very powerful flying beasts, though. They'll likely want to change forms for combat, which ends one of their limited uses of shape.
If you're starting a game and one of your players evidently has spent 5-10 times longer thinking up their character, writing backstory and tweaking their sheet than everyone else at the table do you take this as a good or a bad thing?
>>44631494
Depends on the tone of the group. Probably bad for that player since they won't get much from the party for their investment, it sounds like.
>>44631494
It can go either way. They can either be a munchkin who has managed to squeeze as much power out of their stats as possible, or they could help everyone else get more invested in the game by leading by example. They could also just be disappointed that nobody else at the table cares about RP or character building so..
>>44627018
underrated post
>>44631346
"Ghaunadaur, That Which Lurks, Underdark god of aberrations, also know as the Elder Eye. It is worshiped (if such a word can be used) by slimes, oozes, and similar creatures."
>>44631162
>>44631269
Dragon and storm sorcerer get at will flying. So do tempest clerics.
>>44631194
they get flying too, being a bird race and such.
>>44631293
Thats a good point. I never really though of a druid turning into a bird. I'm use to my party's druid who turns into spiders and apes all the time.
>>44631579
Then I would go with what >>44631372 said. A great old one might have just caused her to lose very important personal information about herself as it drives her crazy. You should definitely talk to her about it if it's causing party issues. It can be used as a good basis for character development.
>>44631603
>>they get flying too, being a bird race and such.
>the joke
>you
How would you handle an encounter with a 50+ foot tall humanoid?
Athletics checks to climb? Attacks while holding onto it at disadvantage? Targeting specific limbs / body parts?
Help me plan for this.
Need help coming up with a minor buff to a magical item my player's 4th level barbarian has. Currently it's a +1 maul. I'd like it to give him something extra while he's raging, the fluff being the weapon itself is raging alongside him.
>>44631705
All of the above, a la Shadow of the Colossus.
Strength (Athletics) to climb onto the beast and get at its weak bits, Strength checks to grab on (or Dex checks to maintain footing if the creature has a particularly wide stretch of flat area on its body). The creature can shake using its reaction/as a bonus action to try and force the party off of it, they take falling damage as appropriate and land nearby in a logical space if they fail.
Something that massive would probably turn anything it gets its hands on into slurry, so maybe its attacks are save or die if you are in range of its melee attacks? If they're smart they would go for ranged attacks and try to cripple it before moving anywhere close to it (AoT style).
>>44631705
All of these things are good ideas
Remember that climbing only triggers athletics checks under difficult circumstances. Having them make the check each time they move might be a little much, but giving the giant an action that allows it to attempt to shake off all characters climbing it might be the ticket: falling damage ahoy.
It's up to you whether it should be able to attack enemies currently climbing it directly, but I don't see why it shouldn't.
>>44630342
Huh...I'm missing 148-154...had no idea. Sorry anon, can't help. Is there a PDF share thread up?
>>44631705
DMG 271 has some optional rules for climbing onto a larger creature
>>44631762
Maybe have the weapon cause some sort of save or suck effect on successful attacks while raging? Like dazed or knocked prone.
Or the weapon shouts obscenities at hostile creatures and causes them to be effectively taunted by the barbarian.
>>44631898
Both great ideas. I think I'll go with the latter one for now and save the later for a future upgrade. Thanks, anon.
>>44631960
Always happy to spread the love for foul mouthed inanimate objects.
>>44630921
Why even play Warlock if your patron is just going to become an antagonist?
WHERE DO I FIND IN THE PHB OR DMG HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO MAKE A HEALING POTION, AND THE TIME IT TAKES?
I know it's 25g and 10 days but not where it says that.
>>44632178
PHB pg 187, "Crafting."
>>44632210
Thanks
>>44632128
Probably depends on the story you want to be part of. The 'warlock tries to redeem himself and break away' is sort of a classic story element.
Anon seems to be going to bait and switch route. Also rather classic.
>>44632128
I'm playing aWarlock of Baphomet in an OotA campaign, and I know eventually we will have to fight him. Thats why my warlock will ultimately turn on his patron in order to become more powerful and absorb his soul, so that he will become his own patron in the end of things. Assuming he lives that is. OotA can be brutal.
>>44632128
Because plot hooks and character development. You shouldn't force this thing on a player, but since players want to do the "I eventually crush the darkness inside" thing.
One of my players wanted to eventually go toe-to-toe with her devil patron. We fluffed her Mystic Arcana as her slowly stealing greater secrets from him.
>>44632298
>warlock
>breaking away from his patron
And then you'll RP a commoner without magic?
>>44632342
Warlock magic and abilities are explicitly learned, not granted by the patron like a cleric.
>>44632128
Because (being the guy who wrote >>44630921 ) I know fully well that this is the kind of plot his particular player appreciates. Knowing your player is half the battle, so to say, and warlocks is the class that require the player and the gm to work together the most
>>44632342
Already have the knowledge or somehow siphoning off power from him without his will or switch to a less malevolent patron. Don't be so limited in your thinking.
>>44627092
My sister's warlock is a swindler who's promised her soul to about 100 different demons just to see what happens when she dies.
Do they fight it out?
>>44632548
>warlock on deathbed
>hundreds of demons show up to claim "their" soul
>Underworld custody battle ensues
>>44632587
>Beelzebub, the patronity test is in... you are not the patron.
>>44632534
Well, I could just say, "Anything works," and not think at all. I don't think things are fun without limits.
>>44632342
No silly, you reform into a paladin. Surely you got the Cha to pull that off.
>>44632548
> NINETY NINE SOULS, JACK SPARRER.
> THREE DAYYYYS
>>44626968
Where's the 5-pound bag of flour?
>>44632621
Well seems like you have the 'not thinking at all' down all right seeing as your first thought was "guess I would have to play commoner if I was in that situation". Want to add challenge to the ones listed off the top of my head? Obviously persuading a new patron to take you on may have its difficulties and hoops they make you jump through first. Have to go searching for the knowledge of how to use new abilities as you level now you have no patron to hand them to you. If you are stealing power then he has a reason to specially target you.
>>44626892
Currently carrying the basic adventurer's kit.
My squire is carrying everything else humanly possible.
I treat him like a caddy and request for specific javelins.
"Bring me the 7 Iron. Oh wait, actually it's a werewolf. Better make it the 3 Silver."
"Yes, Sir."
>>44632210
That ruling says you can craft non-magical items. Potions of Healing are magical items.
>>44632844
... I just realized no one in the game i am currently DMing has one. Nor they have the standard issue 10 foot pole.
...Next dungeon gonna be good.
>Been wanting to play a survivalist for upcoming campaign in Underdark
>Dislike the 5e Ranger
>Decided to settle on Battlemaster with Survival skill
>UA comes out
>Scout is exactly what I want in a survivalist
How do I strength monk?
>>44632944
... You're actually right, damn.
So to really answer >>44632178: unless your DM allows magic item creation rules, you can't.
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/12/05/potion-time-and-cost/
>>44633008
Don't, probably.
>>44633008
Ask your DM if you can use strength instead of wisdom
>>44633008
>How do I Monk
You don't
>How do I strength Monk
You double don't
>>44633190
http://niceme.me
>>44632668
Actually a decent example of the "Years of your life" pact from >>44627307.
10 years a master; 10 years a slave.
>>44633008
Play a barbarian instead, and fluff your rages as a body-enhancing internal art.
>>44633302
do this and be a human so you can grab the tavern brawler feat at Lvl 1. Pirate background so you can be an easily angered pirate who starts bar fights on a whim.
>>44633136
>>44633136
>played bear barbarian
>actually managed to die because despite there being 3 other martials in the party, they're all dex-based (dex melee EK, dex paladin, ranger)
>prefer martials to casters
>I was the only one who didn't have a negative strength modifier
>DM doesn't want me to roll another barbarian or play the same class as someone else
>only option is a rogue or monk
The most viable option seemed to be normal human monk, while still remaining somehow viable.
But i'm dealing with a dex fighter who only uses a shortshort, and fucking dex paladin, and a ranger. I don't even think the fighter knows about extra attacks or the existence of battlemaster, plus he doesn't even have both arms, so no shield either. He just spams chill touch or his shitty sword, and a fucking dex paladin who can't even use heavy armor, and then a ranger.
The wizard and I would have wiped the encounter before they managed to do more than 10 damage between the three of them. We're at level 10 this it's pathetic.
>>44633430
what is your party comp? unless you have an 8 man party there should be more options than just rogue and monk left. If worst come to worst though you could go mountain dwarf swashbuckler rogue who uses a rapier but uses str to attack instead of dex. Pick up medium armor and a shield too for solid ac.
What do you all use for creating maps for your campaigns? I've got some ideas for the warren of a kobold tribe that is protecting a macguffin owned by a local dragon. I follow the Tucker school of thought when it comes to kobolds, so I want to make sure I can lay out all the side tunnels and secret passages clearly.
>>44630342
Are you sure it was number 151? Becuase I have a bunch of them for 3rd edition, including the last one, and that's number 359. Or when they went digital did they start re-numbering them?
>Half-Elf EK
>Gnome Paladin
>High Elf Wizard
>Non-Variant Human Ranger
>Dead Goliath Bear Barbarian
>Kobold Bard
>Air Genasi Storm Sorc
My real options are Moon Druid, Strength Monk, or a Strength Swashbuckler, but as I said I prefer playing a martial.
>>44633430
Maybe a valor bard?
>>44633670
Durr nevermind, didn't see
>>44633649
>>44633649
Is there any reason you NEED Strength, other than covering everyone else's asses because they cannot into party composition?
Play what you want, dude. You're not obliged to make up for your party's failings. If your party simply can't survive, play the thing that will let you play what you want for the longest time possible.
>>44633649
Neat comp, but there is no cleric, so you could easily go a mountain dwarf war cleric. They are surprisingly good at martial combat, and I've even been debating on having my goliath fighter dip into war cleric. My group lacks a healer of any sort.
>>44633190
>Implying monk of the four elements isn't the tightest shit
>get-a-load-of-this-nonbender-cam.png
>>44632944
Sorta. If we're going by "the rules are the rules except for exceptions to the rules", the description for the Herbalism kit specifically says you can craft potions of healing if you are proficient with it. Presumably, it appears on the equipment list in the PHB for this reason.
Quick question anons,
does the Archery bonus (+2 to hit) stack with Close Quarters Shooter (+1 to hit) for bow attacks?
Was trying to make a fighter/ranger hybrid and being able to pick 2 fighting styles, it seemed like a no-brainer.
Was going to eventually get to Battle Master to apply all sorts of funky on-hits with the bow.
>>44633670
Capoira
>>44633898
Bonuses stack unless the specific feature says otherwise (because there is no general rule disallowing bonuses to things from stacking).
What's your guys' stances on co-DM'ing?
Our group totals four people atm, and the DM want's to be a PC too. We've finished a short, one session module, with her in command, and now she wants to be a player. I've volunteered to run the next session as a DM and with my PC character tagging along as a DMPC for the time being, as I didn't really like the idea of each of our PCs running off to do other things when the DM seat changes. We've agreed to both write material and when our said material runs up, we switch places.
Is there any advice we could use to keep it running this system smoothly?
>>44633886
Actually, the herbalism kit says that proficiency in the kit is *required* to make potions of healing, not that the kit allows you craft them.
It's what I assumed at first too, until I read it closely and realized the wording's repercussions (due to posts in this thread)4.
>>44633936
There's a new errata in the DMG that says bonuses from the same named game element no longer stack. Not applicable to this situation, but something to keep in mind in the case of, say, multiple paladins with Aura of Protection.
>>44633649
I'd say just ask your DM if you can swap STR for WIS for monk features. Fluff it as the classic brash but powerful martial artist.
>>44633936
Thanks anon! Haha, time to operate!
>>44634108
Damn, that's dope.
I wish heavy armour archers weren't so bad in 5e.
>>44633938
Dunno if this helps, but me and my husband co-DM.
I run DeathWatch, he runs Rogue Trader. Both set in the same universe and we make it work, somehow inkling in intertwining adventures that always brings the two groups together since there's 6 of us.
Really, at the end of the line it boils down to communicating effectively with your co-dm, so that you two don't step on each others toes, get stories mixed up and whatnot in your world. Try to have as much of a cohesive storyline as possible.before you go >womenwe're gay and love to touch dicks
>>44634423
I'll take note of that, thanks. We've kind of agreed to run the same campaign together. I'll write a bit, and DM it the next session, then she'll write the next bit, and so on.
And I don't care for dick touching as long as it ain't mine being touched, lol.
>>44632548
constantine ripoff
Which class is better at damage and tanking, Barbarian or Fighter? I see that the Barbarian can be very resilient but it does not seem to have any means to actually force enemies away from allies and focus on them. Fighter seems to be a bit more versatile with Battle Master or Eldritch Knight, but i'm not sure the numbers line up as simply as the Barbarian's.
What am I missing here??
>>44634728
Barbarians are better at taking damage.
Fighters eventually blow them out of the water, damage-wise.
Ultimately, either of them with the Sentinel feat are great defenders.
>>44634728
>Which class is better at damage
Fighter
>>44634754
>>44634764
Let me narrow it down a bit then; which one is better for a module(s), where we aren't expected to hit level cap, and probably won't go higher than 10-15 tops? Are they fairly equal in damage until some point - I assume when Fighters start making 3+ attacks a round?
How would I go about making a Fighter Archetype for Psychic Warrior?
Hello 5eg, I come for advice on the more creative side. I'm in the middle of a year long campaign and while we follow combat rules to the point, we have a more flexible approach to the planes and how magical shenanigans work.
My character wants to be untraceable. This means changing his name so demons won't damage him, changing his blood so no one can do voodoo shit on him, that kind of stuff.
Not only in 5e, but in the fantasy context in general, to what extremes can one go to effectively hide from everyone and everything?
>>44634803
Int as a substitute for con so you can go strength/Int or dex/Int like EK.
>>44634800
Fighter is better at avoiding damage, bearbarian is better at soaking up damage. I have played both in early level modules and so far they can both pump out similar damage (Barbarian is better at using GWM at ealy levels with that auto advantage though) if you build them the same ways but fighter ultimately tanks better solely because once you break AC 18 you are hard as hell to land a blow on.
>>44634800
Bear Barb is probably a better tank, take Sentinel and either Tough for more tankan or GWM for damage-dealing.
My group is full of murder hobos who hate RP. For a while now I have been trying to initiate rp with them in character but they just laugh and ignore me. I fully got a glimpse of this today
>Get into this sacred elven forest
>I say in character ''My, these lights leave one speechless, wouldn't you agree?''
>''We are about to complete a quest and get a shit ton of gp anon, there will be time for RP later''
There is never time for RP...
>>44634803
To clarify, I liked the UA Mystic and would like something that feel like that instead of just reflavoring the Eldritch Knight.
>>44634728
>actually force enemies away from allies and focus on them
Sentinel+Polearm Master+Tunnel Fighter Fighting Style covers a large number of situations.
You'll probably need to at least dip Fighter for that, though.
Why are there no +2 Wis races?
>>44634625
Didn't he sell his soul, only to end up being the other jesus so he goes to heaven, only he doesn't go to heaven on account of not actually dying?
>>44635197
Because all the wise races ascended and left the shitty mortal plane.
>>44634423
>tfw my gf won't let me touch dicks with cute boys
At least she's a good GM
>>44635250
I'm gonna change Aasimar to have +2 Wis +1 Cha.
How do you role play a Paladin well? What separates a good Paladin from an "augh" Paladin?
>>44635289
Why even have a gf if you've got those desires?
My DM has ruled that earth elementals can carry objects during their earthglide movement provided the object is something of the earth like metal, stone, gems, etc.
I've decided to use this power to summon hordes of tiny earth elementals that pop up bear traps and explosive rune stone landmines on the battlefield. Am I That Guy?
I have to say, Moon druids are fun to play. Being able to use forms after only a short rest gives them a ridiculous amount of health at lower levels.
>>44635315
some people just like to stick their wang in or on whatever is a suitable candidate at the given moment.
Do british roleplayers give their characters american accents?
>>44635389
But males are just superior on every level.. Pic semi-related.
>>44635325
>Earth rumbles
>Colossal Earth Elemental erupts from the ground
>It opens up and disgorges thousands of golems trojan-horse style
>party is swarmed and dies from being punched in the dick by thousands of tiny golems.
I can get behind this.
>>44635487
Fuck I'm crying..holy shit that's beautiful I didn't even consider that
>>44635428
If that's what it means to be womanly then I'm okay with it
>>44634932
Make time.
Steal all the GP and make a run for it.
>>44635197
There are.
It's called Variant humans.
>>44635564
Variant human with Observant right?
I want to introduce the "Mark of Cain" element to my campaign in the hopes that one of my players would be brave enough to take the curse upon himself or hell, by accident.
Eitherway, what would be a good way to implement this?
>>44635658
Or Resilient
>>44635693
Ah yes, of course. Only issue is that every class that wants a +2 Wis already has proficiency in Wis saves.
Regardless, they should have gave at least 1 race a +2 Wis.
>>44635724
We need more fucking content in general.
>>44635665
Anybody that slays the marked character has the mark brand to their skin. He will be hunted down by the Erinyes for the rest of his life.
At that point nobody will want to hang around him, for fear of being torn apart by pissed off valkyries of vengeance.
>>44635751
To paraphrase an anon from a couple generals back, "5e's biggest problem in 7 words."
>>44635409
Sometimes.I use a silly Texan voice for if I want someone to be gritty and/or simple, a redneck voice for a really simple yokel, a southern belle for the occasional noble woman
>>44635796
>Anybody that slays the marked character has the mark brand to their skin. He will be hunted down by the Erinyes for the rest of his life.
>At that point nobody will want to hang around him, for fear of being torn apart by pissed off valkyries of vengeance.
PERFECT.
Should the marked character be literally Cain himself?
How would the PC's go about and find him and/or Kill him.. he's kind of immortal. I need a hook here.
>>44635751
>We need more fucking content in general.
That's 90% of 5e's problem. The rest is the fucktarded level caps.
Seriously WotC get your shit together.
>>44635815That anon was me
>>44634983
What book is Tunnel Fighter Fighting Style in?
>>44635847
Level caps? Does that really come up?
>>44635863
Not really, at least never in my experience. I think most modules end after players get to some point above 14 so only a home game would go all the way to 20 in all likeliness.
>>44634943
Wait for the official release.
So it's been a while now, do we know anything about the next book that wotc is going to release? I assume they'll be releasing another book some time this year.
how would you go about doing a low magic campaign, /5eg/?
>>44635863
No, he's making shit up because he can't find a DM for whatever he was playing before.
I wouldn't say 5e is without flaws, but I've got better things to do than think my best times are behind me.I did just leave an awful-ass group, though.
>>44635863
>Level caps? Does that really come up?
If you play more than once a month like a real gamer, yeah it does. Some of us actually play for 5 to 6 hours instead of spending half of it discussing flannel and microbrews.
Level cap is fucking annoying and shit and was produced because WotC created a crappy framework that falls apart outside of the carefully constructed box it was made for.
Not that I don't like proficiency system. I do. If I could port anything to pathfinder, it would be the proficiency system.
They could have let the system run free if there was an actual formula for proficiency but honestly I cannot f igure out what the fuck it is.
>>44635966
>If you play more than once a month like a real gamer, yeah it does. Some of us actually play for 5 to 6 hours instead of spending half of it discussing flannel and microbrews.
Here comes the pasta...
>>44635854
Underdark UA.
>>44635831
afterthought : sevenfold vengeance could be literally 7 Erinyes. They'll visit over the next 7 nights, each time the character tries to sleep, rest, or thinks he's safe.
I mean, call the mark whatever you want. It doesn't have to be called that, nor does the NPC.
"Mark of the Furies" "Seal of Vengeance" whatever you want to call it.
Marked character could be some kinda missionary doing his thing in that borderline-hatespeech-antagonistic way (fully within rights, but grating to hear) and the party may be offered a hit to "deal" with this character by a church that doesn't like him.
This will set up a justification for a) why he's protected, b) why he would be killed c) he'll most likely die and thus trigger the seal.
I can't do all your GM work for ya mang, but give that a whirl!
>>44635966
You should look more closely at how its the only metric that 'scales' well, while shit like damage is still all over the place. Maybe not as bad as 3e and PF, but its still egregious. Especially on monster entries where there seems to be no rhyme or reason for how much a monster of a given XP value and CR should do on average.
>>44635966
> unintelligible rant about real gamers
> can't repeatedly add 2 together
>>44635964
>No, he's making shit up because he can't find a DM for whatever he was playing before.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>44635989
What pasta? What I'm saying is, 5e's been out over a year now. You play once a week for 6 hours. That's 52 sessions adding up to about 150 encounters. That's more than enough to get to level 20.
WotC just figured they'd make their money, and by the time players started banging their head on the level cap, they'd already have the cash.
Or maybe they'll release an epic level handbook. That would suck.
>>44636007
Thank ye, anon.
So if I wanted to TANK STRONK, and maybe push or grapple a bit, would a Minotaur Barbarian or Fighter be acceptable? Human variant is off the table and I didn't want to play a Dwarf or Goliath, so I'm trying to pick between them or Half-Orcs.
>>44635854
letmegooglethatforyou
>''My character swings around a giant comical hammer like Harley Quinn''
>>44635966
There are optional rules for obtaining epic boons for exp earned past the level cap... but I think you'll find that the vast, vast majority of games do not last until level 20.
If you've really run into level cap issues you've got to be, like, a fraction of a % in that regard.
>>44636017
I fail to see what that actually has to do with proficiency.
>>44636011
It scales well because it's the same for every fuckin class. And yes, I do think that's a good thing.
I don't really care about how damage is "all over the place", that's a problem solved by actually looking at how AD&D did things. This would have happened if anyone on the design team had ever played AD&D or understood its mechanics.
> Especially on monster entries where there seems to be no rhyme or reason for how much a monster of a given XP value and CR should do on average.
CR = XP value for one thing (or at least it's supposed to). And for another thing, not every monster has to do the exact same freaking damage.
Also, I'm not shitting on proficiency. I'm just saying it should be able to be extrapolated. From right here it looks annoying as fuck to figure out your proficiency at, say, 25th level.
>>44636008
10/10 Thank you so much for the input.
>>44633430
Play a strength rogue
Go grapple-rogue
>>44636116
It can vary within a given metric, but the 5e Monster Manual is loaded with one-shot machines hitting as hard or harder than shit higher than its CR.
>>44636024
>Thinks it's a conspiracy
>>44636113
>There are optional rules for obtaining epic boons for exp earned past the level cap...
Yeah I've seen those. Shit-tier pre-gen adventure quest crap and artifacts and shit. The level cap is still 20.
> ... but I think you'll find that the vast, vast majority of games do not last until level 20.
That's the product of the D&D 5e fanbase. Many games in earlier editions lasted to level 20 with normal XP gain. Some of us actually care about our campaigns and stick with them for more than 6 months.
> If you've really run into level cap issues you've got to be, like, a fraction of a % in that regard.
Show me some fucking data on that and then I'll believe you. And not one of Mearls' fucking polls from the WotC website, because the people who take those polls are the same kind of wankers who get bored after level 6.
>>44636077
>can I play the new bard?
>>44635966
Maybe after a year or so it does or Assuming you're playing a high challenge campaign. I play one a week with my group and we started in September and only hit 5th lvl last session. The level cap is perfectly fine as it is, as is 5e in general.
Yeah new content will be awesome to have but if you're creative then there are already a lot of options available as is.
>>44636147
> Many games in earlier editions lasted to level 20 with normal XP gain
Not according to any survey result I've seen. What is your source on this? Your ass?
>>44636024
>hates the level cap
>doesn't want epic levels
>still taking out his ass
Anon's checking all the boxes today.
>>44636147
I've never had a serious look at any previous editions of D&D, what used to be the procedure after you hit 20?
>>44636141
No, I'm just not naive enough to think it's anything but smart business strategy.
>>44636137
>It can vary within a given metric, but the 5e Monster Manual is loaded with one-shot machines hitting as hard or harder than shit higher than its CR.
Yeah.... and they should have toned down the damage. But that doesn't make proficiency a bad mechanic. Or a good mechanic. I'm not entirely sure what your point is. That WotC has solved a small issue in their game, so we should accept it at face value and not want it to be improved?
>>44636147
I know this is 4chan and all, but you're being pretty needlessly hostile.
>'play a grappler tank!'
>can't grapple anything Huge without DM fiat
>Feat intense
>multiclassing absolutely required
>falls apart as soon as it can't do its gimmick
Why do people like grapplers, again? I guess it 'works' better than older editions..
Pardon my asking here, but what's a non-total-garbage online D&D playing thing? Alternatives to maptool and roll20 appreciated.
>>44636147
Are you the same "read the fucking book" guy from all this past week?
I'm going to have to give you a name.
I think Salty. It'd be easy to post
>Salty pls go
>>44636152
>I play one a week with my group and we started in September and only hit 5th lvl last session.
That is because your play sessions are slow and unproductive.
> The level cap is perfectly fine as it is, as is 5e in general.
Opinion.
> Yeah new content will be awesome to have but if you're creative then there are already a lot of options available as is.
That is true of literally every game. Also, some of us like professionally created content (at least such as it is with WotC).
>>44636182
No, I don't like an entire book dedicated to something we deserved to have in the first place.
>>44636224
I'm.. not arguing against proficiency? It is one of the better things in this edition. My issue was with how they implemented a functional scaling baseline for attack rolls, but failed to follow up on the damage side of the equation. When, after Save or Suck/Dies effects, damage was the second biggest issue with WotC's editions of D&D - especially so in the one everyone still lovesfor some unfathomable reason, 3e/PF.
>>44636033
Minotaur sounds good in this case. If you're not using the Polearm-focused cominbation described above, you probably want to go primarily Barbarian.
Pushing doesn't really keep in line with traditional tanking, which tends to revolve around keeping enemies close and focused on you. If you do want to shove shit around, Minotaur or the Shield Master feat would be what you want to go for.
Grappling, on the other hand, does provide stickiness. In this case, consider dipping Rogue or Bard for Expertise in Athletics. In this case, Minotaur allows you to go unarmed while still having a d10 damage die, thus allowing you to grapple two enemies at once. You do have to consider what size the enemies you're likely to be facing are, though. This could arguably be remedied by using a mount or being a Druid.
>>44636197
You kept going. Or threw in the towel like a pussy,
>>44636167
>Not according to any survey result I've seen. What is your source on this? Your ass?
Years of gaming experience. Also, if even a small amount of players get past level 20, those players deserve support. Not a smack on the face from D&D, which is now a system centered around one-shots.
>>44636236
Why on earth do you not consider maptool or roll20 good enough for 5e? I've DMed just about every system under the sun and I've never once needed anything more than a simple gridded whiteboard and voip software.
>>44636241
Read the fucking book has been a running theme for ages, what are you on about.
