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Previous Thread: >>44422757
No More Waifus Edition
Posting again for the guy who wanted to know about the waifu I didn't want.
I was playing a devil blooded tiefling fighter with a bunch of eldritch heritage for pit-touched bullshit. Found out my lineage actually originated directly from a Pit Fiend seven generations back. I wanted no part of it, but apparently hell's politics thought I would be useful (easily manipulated more like).
The love interest was towards that end, she was introduced as a nice bard, also a tiefling, and felt the same "outcast's lot" as I did. The thing is, my character didn't feel that. He knew he was discriminated against, but had spent most of his life as a mercenary since he got sold off as a kid. He couldn't remember his parents and didn't really care, he had enough money now to live the high life. Prostitutes don't really care if you have a set of horns as long as you got enough coin, and his party didn't give a shit he was a tiefling (neither did the mercenary company he eventually ended up in).
She went on and on about changing things, and all I wanted was coin and eventually a nice comfortable place to live out my long life.
She was actually sent by devils in order to tempt me, but was shit at it. Got the point she tried to use mind control on me, but my GM didn't realize how fantastic my saves were and I not only resisted, but fucking put dimensional anchors on her so she couldn't run and butchered her for trying to encroach on my mind. It however didn't end there. Apparently someone saw fit to resurrect her, and then she played the whole "how could you do that" card.
>>44430446
>No More Waifus
>Not being a waifu PC
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A0B2Un1b5hCNDrecBDymrlSluU9DJwGlo-uPQeyopis/edit?usp=sharing
Alright, more work has been done on the Fusilier (And especially the additional discoveries that are not limited to it.)
It is, however, still very much a work in progress. Any thoughts on general power/issues would be highly appreciated.
The Fusilier is a warrior-alchemist, working without extracts but with great skill with blade, bomb and gun.
What is the best character sheet available online?
Fucking chummer5 has spoiled me.
>>44430405
Anon, you're missing out on Ameiko.
>>44430496
>Not being a waifu PC
What would a waifu PC even be?
Have any of you ever played a PC that was certified waifu/husbando material?
>>44430525
>What is the best character sheet available online?
Myth-Weavers, by far.
Anyone got a link to the thread where they're arguing stealth doesn't allow sneak attacks?
>>44430525
I wish there was a chummer5 for pathfinder, but the amount of material is just crazy.
>>44430529
She'd be more rapeable when she's running sandpoint. So maybe save her for chapter 3 or 4.
Hello everyone! Christmas has finally calmed down enough for me to put work in on the character guide of On Cold WindsWorking Title.
I am doing it right now in fact! Writing the races guide.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiqbOgtvMz7uV8MxP9Wy5EuMHs_Yw2jWaWlOyMZlU8A/edit?usp=sharing
Scroll to the bottom, feel free to comment, insult me, ask questions, and more!
>>44430529
I made a DILF Slayer seeking his missing changeling daughter. He's optimistic, very good with his hands, and has an honest rural upbringing.
It was apparently enough to encourage my DM to insist the hag he sired the daughter with was a ravishingly beautiful good-natured forest spirit, and between now and reuniting with her every female NPC seems to be after his dick.
The dad beard (think "fantasy Kyle Katarn") helps, I suppose.
>>44430529
>>44430616
>rapeable
>not being a more creative malevolent NPC and polymorphing them, petrifying them and whatever other means exist to play
So, anyone fool around with the weapon building thing in WMH?
>>44430743
It's garbage
>>44424505
The way it's written and presented is awful. Just really fucking boring to read, and seems overly complex.
The occultist has a couple important things that makes it fairly good:
>The ability to get up to seven different passive abilities that are not great, but aren't terrible
>Similarly, the ability to get up to seven active abilities that are decent but not great
These are gotten over 18 levels.
>At 3rd level and every odd level after, you get a Focus Power. These range from terrible to incredibly good.
>Some highlights include stuff like Summon Monster a bunch of times per day as a standard action, solid fog that doesn't affect you, the ability to utterly wreck mystery plots in several ways, save or loses, minionmaking, buffing allies, using AoE spells without hitting allies, and other neat things
And finally, the thing that makes them hilarious
>42 spells known by level 18, not including cantrips. Spontaneous casting.
>>44430525
Probably mythweavers. Dndsheets would be better if it actually worked properly, though.
Commission anon from yesterday. Give me an idea /pfg/ any idea but two characters only(money doesnt grow on trees) prefferanly two grills but for the most part anything goes.
>>44430923
Kess and Lini cracking jokes about each other's profession/height.What can I say, I like bad puns.
>>44430923
Succubutt + Succubitt
>>44430923
Gretablushing furiously while holding hands with her lover during sex.
>>44430695
Man, your DILF Slayer is sounding more and more great with each mention.
What's a good feat for an unarmed character getting cha to hit (not to damage) and can flurry of blows like a chained monk? I'm an Anchorite archetype Shadewright with carnal flurry if you care how.
>>44430923
Nocticula corrupting one of those Lillends she has or Arueshale or Desna.
>>44430923
Arueshalae and anyone, preferably.
>>44430923
Feiya and Seoni making out while sharing one of those double sided long throat dildos.
Make it apparent that Feiya is the one taking the dominant part of the communal dildo swallowing.
>>44430923
A half-orc wizard picking up and cuddling an adorably furious halfling barbarian.
>>44430923
Seoni getting Kyra into something exceedingly lewd.
>>44431001
>>44430998
>>44430992
>>44430967
>>44430964
>>44430952
>no ones mentioned queen of cheliax
You guys dont like evilfus?
>>44430923
The aftermath of this picture of Imrijka buying a prostitute. Girl dick optionalbut encouraged.
>>44430923
Szuriel and a female Temerdaemon.
Szuriel is laying on top of the Temerdaemon, and the Temerdaemon is "using" it's extra hands.
>>44431020
Nocticula luring Abrogail Thrune III away from diabolism and towards demonism through some kind of sexy situation. Look damn it Nocticula deserves some porn.
>>44430923
A Sun Giant and the one monster who does shit with pregnancies.
Any morefungestalt suggestions?
>>44431179
Unchained Monk + Monk.
>>44430952
>>44431009
>>44431010
eh should have said no non lewds
>>44430964
>>44430992
>>44430998
I like this
>>44430967
>holding hands
anon pls
>>44431020
>>44431060
I agree with this.
>>44431023
This i also like. Maybe it would be better with another known character instead of a literal who?
>>44431025
It could work but im not sure the artists would be up to the task.
>>44431084
hm...
>>44431179
Books?
>>44431179
Spiritualist+Summoner
>>44431195
Paizo only
otherwise i'd just play soul knife for years its my favorite
>never played pathfinder
>group wants me to DM a PF game where they start at level 10
HELP
>>44431217
So no core classes whatsoever?
>>44431252
?
Its paizo books only. Meaning no dreamscarred press.
thinking maybe Arcane Duelist Bard/Chosen One Paladin might be fun.
So I'm trying to recreate an old build idea from 3.5 that was a lot of fun, effectively playing dungeon keeper. Probably Pazio only but I might be able to convince them to use dream scared press, if I buy the physical books, maybe.
Managed it with psion, thrallherd, and most importantly the fiend of possession prc. Is there anything similar in pathfinder?
Goal would be to be 'bodiless' and able to move senses over a large area, have minions, and possess said minions.
Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.
>>44431179
Alchemist/Barbarian, rage while on drugs for profit
Alchemist/Rogue, bombs and sneak attack damage with the Underground Chemist archetype
Alchemist/Wizard, super-SAD with the highest Int in the game or muscle wizard
Alchemist/Monk, become Goro
Alchemist/Summoner, tag-team enemies with a wrestling buddy
Alchemist/Kineticist, create multiple clone bodies and spend as much burn as you want
I really like Alchemists.
>>44431009
Sounds like something that would be more up Dorian's alley than whoever Anon has doing this commission. Still a cute idea though.
>>44431194
I thought the idea with Imrijka would be fitting since /pfg/ always got a hearty laugh and lots of lewd jokes any time that picture was posted. It's all about the expressions the three characters in the picture have I think, but actually watching thatpretty darn cute IMOgril take fat half-orc dickings from the Iconic Inquisitor would be hot.
>>44431060 seems like next best option in my opinion. What artist are you looking to commission from, anyway?
>>44431250
How big is your group? Have any of you played Pathfinder before or are you all new? Any idea of what kind of characters they want to play yet? And when's the first session suppose to be?
We need some details if we're gonna help you, anon.
>>44431179
make a named bullet build.
the fun part is it's impossible to make the 1 side I swear to god.
my current build is like
Wizard(11) | eldritch archer (6) aegis (1) trench fighter (3) musket master(1)
>>44431293
Dreamscarred press has both Psion and Thrallherd in Ultimate psionics, converted over to Pathfinder with some updates.
>>44431331
>Alchemist/Summoner
CONSIDER:
>promethean/preservationist Alchemist Gestalted with Summoner
>You are now in control of up to three characters on the field, two of which can use Summon MonsterI fucking love this archetype combo and nobody can make me not like it
>>44431335
if i was gonna go named bullet in Gestalt i'd just take 1 level of spellslinger and then go into either Sorc or Oracle and Gunslinger.
>>44431387
It's really the only way to have a decent Promethean, it gives up too much to combine with any other archetype and bizarrely doesn't trade out Persistent Mutagen despite trading out the normal Mutagen ability and forbidding you from taking the discovery for it.
What's a decent prestige class for a Polymath Alchemist who wants higher level maneuvers?
>>44431179
>gestalt
What is the definition of this word?
Is it slang for multi-class?
>>44431204
>A phantom refuses to manifest (either fully or as part of a bonded manifestation; see Bonded Manifestation) in the presence of an eidolon or shadow summoned by the phantom's master. Furthermore, if a phantom is manifested when such a creature is summoned, it immediately retreats into its spiritualist's consciousness, and will not manifest again until the eidolon or shadow is dismissed.
>>44431536
It's a game about players who want to power trip.
>>44431536
Gestalt is a variant ruleset from 3.5. for some reason, people like it enough for it to have stuck around.
>>44431536
Gestalt means you basically get two classes at once and take the better parts of both of them in one character
>>44431536
It was a campaign variant in 3.5. It's commonly ported to PF. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm
>>44430978
I'dtest the theory that Halflings can't breed with humansvery thoroughly if you were in the campaign, anon.
>>44431536
>What is the definition of this word?
It means "good shape". How it ended up being associated with Pathfinder, I have no idea.
>>44431554
Well my game is down to two players. Gestalt is more fun than controlling two chars
>>44431334
I wasn't against it, i just thought it would be better with someone recognizable but i really like the idea. I'm going to try and get two of these ideas made reality probably that nocticula and abrogail one.
>>44430967
This is too cute.
>>44431536
Gestalt is like multiclassing on crack. At each level you level up in two separate tracks of classes, so a level 2 Fighter/Wizard gestalt would have the full BAB, bonus feats, etc. of a fighter and the spells of a wizard. In the case of saves and other things that overlap the best one is used, so the fighter's good Fort save instead of the wizard's bad one, and the wizard's good Will save instead of the fighter's bad one, and the full BAB and d10 hit die for the fighter instead of the wizard's half bab and d6 hit die.
>>44431536
Gestalt means taking the strengths of two separate classes; spellcasting, class features, best available hit dice/saves/etc. It's a similar concept to multiclassing in the same way that a threesome is a similar concept to switching lovers.
>>44431573
Gestalt effectively means many parts making a greater whole, such as gestalt intelligence.
You can see how this works in the definition for Pathinder.
>>44431447
I know Promethean by itself is just completely fucked over and you NEED to run it with preservationist to have it "work". I just really like the archetype anyway and really wish it had more/better support.
>>44431527
Also how do the Initiation Archetypes interact with Prestige-Classes. If I go from Polymath into say Awakened Blade at level 10, can I take maneuvers like a normal initiator or is my growth still stunted?
>>44431747
The former. This is both RAW and stated RAI.
Is a character who goes sword-and-board remotely useful as a melee combatant? If the answer is yes, what things make that so? I'm just looking at longsword+heavyshield vs greatsword and it looks absolutely pointless.
>>44431650
Is Gestalt 1pp? If so, which book?
>>44431527
Mage Hunter or Bladecaster are both single class entry options, with mage hunter giving a new spell list and Bladecaster advancing your alchemist spellcasting.
But I'd honestly recommend just using advanced study to get higher level maneuvers instead of using a PRC.
>>44431830
If Path of War is Allowed :YES YES YES
If Path of War isn't Allowed: NO NO NO(unless you shoot for hyper cheese)
>>44431830
It's very functional if you go Warder, or Zweihander Sentinel with the Scarlet Throne Style feat.
If I was going to go Bard/Paladin Gestalt would it be better to go Arcane Duelist or Dervish Dancer for the Bard Archetype?
>>44431833
I think it was a rule in 3.5, it definitely isn't one in PF. They just ported it over.
>>44431873
Well I'm looking into a Boost Focused Ray Psion gestalt. I was going to use Unorthodox Method to get Elemental Flux->Animus Adept. I'm just looking for an Int based Initiator to gestalt with, but so far only the Belluspex looks somewhat viable.
>>44431979
Hawkguard Warder gives you access to both solar wind and Tempest Gale, and then you can trait or tradition into Elemental Flux.
>>44431571
Trust me, the fact that it sounds like your game's full-up and on hiatus fills me with sadness.
>>44432033
Yeah, but so much shit is going to be wasted since this character is going to be attacking with rays which you never really "wield".
With the Belluspex i get
>double dose of bonus PP
>potentially more bonus pp from knowing sleeping goddess shit
>Tempest Gale
>Style Specialization:Solar Wind
So I need help with stat distribution for a Human Sorcerer
Point Buy
25
+2 from leveling as I am 11th level
Crossblooded Sorcerer so i get a -2 to will save as well.
I'm thinking 16 in Cha then up it to 20 by Human +2 and +2 from leveling to get 20.
So 15 left
Str to 7 giving me another 4 points so 19 points now
14 for Dex and Con so -10 points
9 points left
15 int and 12 wisdom for a total of -9 points
Guy's gonna be a diplomancer and crafter. Human Silver Tongued and Studied (So 3 skill focus but 2 at this level)
http://www.giantitp.com/articles/jFppYwv7OUkegKhONNF.html
Apparently GM uses this for the diplomacy. But allows custom magic items so I might be able to create some nice Diplomacy Items. In one level I can create Ioun Stone that gives +5 to diplomacy and +5 to bluff.
>>44431250
Anon be honest tell them you want to do a one shot from level 1-3 to get used to the system
Is the Chosen One Paladin any good?
Trading divine bond for improved familiar?
>>44432242
Why do you have 15 int? What is the point?
>>44432264
I wanted more skillpoints and I don't know what to do with the 3 points I would have leftover
>>44432253
Yes, it's solid.
Mostly for flavor though, it lets you play the spunky Wis 8 anime protagonist without feeling bad.
Is there a Golarion Deity that would be cool with Psions and the like, but HATE HATE HATE Arcane Casters?
>>44432316
Nice. I'm considering it for my gestalt game
Dervish Dancer Bard/Chosen One Paladin seems fun as fuck desu.
>>44432342
Irori? Ki isn't so different from psionic powers.
>>44432129
The only reason I'm recommending against belluspex is that it's basically homebrew right now. There's no guarantee when it'll be an official playtest at this time, so use it at your own risk.
>>44432253
>Is the Chosen One Paladin any good?
I'd very much recommend it if you want to play a Paladin without the hassle of having a church background... Or being a particularly devout fellow.
You're effectively playing a young man or woman that's guided into greatness by a talking squirrel and the purity of their own heart.
>>44432123
>>44431571
Why don't you two just find a nice, private IRC to 1v1 all this unreleasedsexualtension? You two have been going at this cocktease for months now.
>>44432342
I don't think there's any deity that particularly hates arcane casters.
>>44432381
This.
>>44432381
Okay, well the DM is pretty lenient about this shit and I'm still in the "looking at my options" phase. I'm also looking at harbinger for ridiculously accurate rays.
>>44432292
You're a human, you get 1 extra. You also can take favored class bonus for 1 more.
4 skills ranks per level should be enough,
8/14/14/12/14/16 would be a more balanced character, which the +2s going into charisma still.
>>44431618
>>44431637
Then someone makes an Aegis/Daevic // Arcanist/Psion and shit gets really fucking strange
>>44432449
>Harbi
Nah, since claims are going to eat my swifts up like a motherfucker.
I guess Hawkguard or Stalker might just be my best bet.
>>44432455
You forgot I took silver tongued meaning no more skilled +1 every level
>>44432455
>>44432572
also favored class bonus goes into known spells a spell level below the highest I know(every level). (Is that bonus not THE best?)
Because THAT is too good
>>44432411
Because that's lewd, anon.And has it seriously been months?
>>44432627Game started in August and I started posting about it in September, so a good 2-3 months.
>>44432572
>>44432607
You really dug yourself a hole with not wanting skills but wanting skills. Silver tongued is bad, I'd say drop it.
>>44432723
Eh your right that +2 bonus isn't THAT good.
How do you know when it's greatsword time and when it's falchion time?
>>44432947
When it isnt falcata time?
>>44432947
How do you use Familiar Archetypes
>>44433023
What's a falcata for?
>>44433058
1H 1d8 18-20/x3
You tell me
>>44433051
I think you just apply the archetype as an alternate familiar variant?
>>44433084
1d8 sucks, 19-20 is the weapon's actual threat range, x3 isn't anything to write home about.
>>44433084
It's 19-20/x3
>>44433113
Mathematically, the falcata puts out the highest damage of any weapon.
>>44433126
I don't see see it, can you provide some CHARTS?
>>44433113
I see a man of taste like you won't be satisfied by anything less than martial 1H 2d10 15-20/x5
>>44433126
Only with keen and autoconfirmed crits, and even then not by enough. Most weapons do just fine, most of your damage comes from static bonuses anyway and those are usually plenty high enough to do the enemy in on their own.
>>44433143
https://priestlyendeavors.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/best-weapon-dpr-pathfinder/
Is the Earthbreaker any good if you want to be the hammerlord?
>>44433170
Static bonuses get multiplied by crits.
>>44433188
Earth breaker is inferior to the greatsword, but it's still solid.
>>44433188
>>44433254
If you thematically want a two-handed hammer weapon but you don't want to have reach, then it's your best (possibly only) option. It's a little bit worse than a greatsword, but not so much so that you're sacrificing a lot to take it.
>>44433235
Point is that the difference between 0 and -15 HP is silly. The only hit point that matters is the last one.
>>44433363
Yes, which is why you want to do fucking shit tons of damage to get to that last HP. Falcata supplies significantly more DPR than other weapons, especially on the high end of optimization.
Dwarven Longhammer called, it left a message consisting of 10 minutes of laughter.
>>44433461
But you don't need a falcata to do enough damage most of the time is my point.
>>44433363
it's the difference between positive HP, 0 HP, and negative HP (and that last one only if the target doesn't have Die Hard)
>>44433254
It actually isn't, just because bludgeoning is so much more desirable a damage type.
>>44433489
I mean yeah if your DM is fucking coddling you.
How do you feel about this map
But seriously for a more combat-y bard archetype. Dervish Dance or Arcane Duelist?
>>44433563
Or you're not shit at building a high dpr character.
>>44433611
Yeah, I'm not shit at building a high DPR character, so I use a falcata. Obviously. It's like you don't even want to break 800DPR.
>>44433482
What?
I find the problem with falcata is that overkilling one enemy with a x3 crit and then taking longer to kill enemies you don't crit doesn't provide meaningful benefit above more frequent crits if those still kill - and they usually do at appropriate CR with halfway-decent optimization. And that's pretending Falcata proficiency is free.
(Reposting with a bit of update from two threads ago since I missed responses)
I am making a Bushi Warlord. Is the stat array (SDCIWS) 18 12 13 10 10 14 fine? I primarily plan to use Mithral Current with Golden Lion and Riven Hourglass. It's on a 20pb starting at level 1. Mostly I'm just looking for things to improve for stats, and things to look out for
>>44433651
>Needing 800 DPR
Anon, the toughest expected HP is 760 at CR 30. You don't /need/ 800 DPR, and if that's what you're shooting for, you're missing the point. Spend build resources getting the ability to do other things in addition to damage.
>>44433666
I think Katana actually offers better DPR
>>44433666
The thing is the falcata doesn't take significantly longer to kill other enemies because it has barely less damage dice and damage dice hardly matter.
Is the beginner box a good place to start playing? If i get it is there anything else i should buy with it?
>>44433693
Last level 20 oneshot I played in an enemy had like... 1800hp I believe?
>>44433586
I love it, actually.
It's the exact map I've been looking for, why?
>>44433693
>you dont need
You dont need to make a farm full of gardens to finance an air fleet at level 6
You dont need to confront cosmic concepts in 1v1 combat
You dont need to go out an adventure
You dont need to post any more.
>>44433740
And no bestiary monster has that. If you're tossing around 800 DPR, then monster HPs will by necessity increase. If you're able to fight things on an even CR without the DM being forced to buff them, then you're in a good place already.
>>44433684
You wouldn't go far wrong going Deadly Agility, putting the 18 in dex, and dumping str, unless you really want that 1.5x str to damage.
Not only does higher dex give you better init/AC/reflex/skills, the Agile Dancer trait makes it the key ability score for Mithral Current.
>>44433722
That post had nothing to do with damage dice. It was comparing falchion to falcata, a 0.5 difference. The point was higher crit rate winds up being more useful than the higher damage on crit, even when average DPR is higher with the latter.
What if there were intelligent items that had maneuvers per encounter instead of spells per level they could cast?
>>44433764
I think the enemy was CR45 by rules.
>>44433774
**key ability score for Perform (Dance), before people accuse me of saying it changes the initiating modifier
>>44433764
>And no bestiary monster has that
Adding class levels to monsters is expected, the bestiary is a base.
>>44433774
>>44433807
Where is that trait?
>>44433794
I cannot fucking believe I'm saying this, but I'd actually rather they be per-day. The rare insane stunt the weapon surprises you with shouldn't be every fight you get into.
>>44433764
It was a pit fiend with 15 levels in fighter and another 15 in oracle.
>>44433828
Fair enough, that'd make them objectively weaker though.
>>44433828
Still sounds better than maneuver scrolls and potions.
>>44433586
It doesn't look enough like Asia.
DSP guys, would refluffing/retooling Shattered Mirror to work off of Craft: Weapon/Smithing or something similar be that nuts?
>>44433586
That's a very comfy map, much more pleasant on the eyes than Avistan.
Fuck, why is Tian Xia so cool?
>>44433894
Well, that's technically re-mechanicsing. I think Shattered Mirror was based off of useless craft skills intentionally.I'd allow it, myself. Skill points are in short supply.
Is there any support for wielding a melee weapon in one hand and a ranged on in the other?
>>44433908
I mean, I know it won't really do much, mechanically.
Totally not making a master-smith/Emiya Shirou character. Definitely not. Also not using that thing the guy submitted to Steelforge to forge the weapon from my own blood.
>>44433938
Hand crossbow? It would follow TWF though
>>44433891
>>44433586
Fun fact: Minkai alone is the size of Avistan.
>>44433938
Yes! Savage technologist barbarian is specifically for this.
>>44433827
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EPARqt5jpie03MIXStgFrNK_si6g218bjT4TFbcizPY/edit?pli=1
More playtest (but pretty much final) material for Path of War: Expanded; ie the same book that the Bushi is going to be released in, so there shouldn't be any issue with the source.
>>44433938
>>44433957
For 3pp also see the DSP's Privateer template, which is designed specifically for that and with a more pirate theme.
>>44433894
Nah, you're fine. Mirror was originally Craft (any) but was changed because of percieved balance issues. 's a perfectly fine houserule. Which I'll repeat because I don't want any confusion like we had last time - HOUSERULE.
Concept sounds cool.
>>44434033
>any confusion like we had last time
I'm still bewildered how that actually managed to happen last time, short of people deliberately trying to create misunderstandings.
/tg/'s chinese whispers effect is strong.
>>44433955
You're not wrong.
Jesus, can you really trust Ameiko to run something that big? Running a province in Minkai is like running a kingdom the size of Cheliax.
>>44433944
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>>44433954
>>44433957
>>44434016
I don't know if these would be helpful, sorry. I don't actually intend to use them both in the same turn, just be able to go from attacking one person in one turn in melee, and then another the next turn at range. I think I could do something with two-handed weapons and Quick Draw to switch modes like that instead, but would have to drop the previous weapon on the ground, which I don't like.
>>44434116
Also from DSP, there is the feat Mixed Combat, which does exactly what you describe. It's even on the pfsrd.>>44434116
>>44434116
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/mixed-combat-combat
Though really you're going to be badly starved for feats to be competent at both fighting styles unless you have some class features to support it, like the ones linked above.
Unchained rogue could also do it decently by stacking on the sneak attacks, probably.
>>44430529
I'm waifuing the party's drow gunslinger with a western accent because she was raised in Alkenstar.
>>44433985
So would you say I would be overall better served to make him dex based, rather than strength?
>>44430529
>What would a waifu PC even be?
Any likable and attractive character of a gender you're interested in.
Potentially also one that you'd personally want to waifu if it was physically possible.I'd like to think a good half of my PCs fit this but >opinions
>>44434234
>I'd like to think a good half of my PCs fit this
>Saying this without posting some examples
>>44434223
I would say yes but I'm biased because I'm a filthy weeb and just generally prefer the idea of nimble fighters to big musclemen.
Whether it's the best option is up to you but I think going dex-based has a respectable amount of mechanical benefits and certainly wouldn't screw you over.
>>44434280
I will make a side-by-side comparison for my personal sake. I'll put both at primary stat 18, though I think I wont be able to grab Deadly Agility until level , given I want to start with uhh...Katana Expertise
>>44434265
I know I've got one.You knew what this was, and you clicked it anyway.
>>44434374
I want to marry Endeca!
>>44434374
Is that a FFTA2 character?
>>44434403
Don't stick your dick in crazy, anon.
>>44430529
>certified waifu/husbando material
That depends on your definition of husbando material. I know my GM and another player really like teasing whatever characters I make. The GM seems especially fond of my almost joke-tierFULL WEABOO kitsune sorcerer, who was originally conceived as as an excuse to experiment with wondrous tattoos and meme about fluffy tail.The fact that both GM and other player are keen on ERP just throws even more wrenches into things.
>>44434265
People will just tell me how bad my waifutaste is though>Young cleric of Desna eager to explore the world but not yet allowed to, unknowingly a bit of a masochist and gets a buzz off being in peril, developed a dangerous fascination towards the ex-evil rogue and their past of torture, but seemed to coast by without serious trouble thanks to her luck domain and optimism
>Engineer alchemist who seems very bossy and pedantic, but is very fair and will slightly hesitantly push aside her pride to thank or apologise other party members when they help her out. Also worst overall physical scores in the party.
>Mischievous elf rogue who maxed out stealth and spent almost every scene hidden, just talking to others via a ventriloquism-at-will item and being smug
So what's the best melee fighting style for an Inquisitor? Since you're using Bane to hit shit, critical-based effects are poorer.
>>44434656
>Soft-bodied Alchemist with a bossy personality
She's like a proto-Tsun.
>>44434677
The best for that is just going to be a greatsword. You know it, I know it, let's not play games. The investment requirement is 0 feats, the damage comes from 0 to 1 feats. No other weapon style is like that.
Post character concepts.
>>44434739
Inquistors aren't proficient with greatswords unless they worship a deity that has greatswords as favored weapons.
>>44434766
Penguin demon drunken brawler.
>>44432411
Doesn't even need to be private~
>>44434677
Probably just whatever the best Reach weapon you're proficient in, and take advantage of your teamwork feats to flank 'n shit.
>>44434766
Harrow spiritualist, as drawn by a more fabulous Wayne Reynolds.
>>44434766
a motherless cleric of Chavazvug questing to sear demons from the planes
>>44434821
>asking for ERP between a halfling alchemist and a DILF human slayer right in the open
Where does this look like, /soc/?
>>44434786
So do that. Worship a decent deity that cares about its flock enough to not give you fucking daggers.
>>44434766
Ulfen Spiritualist who has a bad history with bees, first learned of his Phantom as an "imaginary friend," and is on a pointless quest to find his missing mother.
>>44434992
Yeah, I'm not the guy building the inquisitior. And there are a fair number of decent choices for weapon besides greatsword anyway. Shelyn gives you glaive proficiency, for example. Who wouldn't want to be an inquisitor of Shelyn?
>>44435049
A cool guy in the Gorum club.
>>44433729
a good place to start playing is by picking up some character sheets and some dice, and maybe a used copy of the Core Rulebook, and maybe the Bestiary, too
>>44435090
Wait, who do Gorum's inquisitors inquisit? Pacifists?
>>44431907
Sound Striker and Smite Evil x10 with Weird Words.
>>44435133
Fucking Neutrals.
>>44435223
Gorum is neutral though. Well, CN.
>>44435133
>inquisitor of gozreh
>gets on someone's ass for littering
>>44435133
People who don't respect the battlefield? Assassins? What does Gorum hate?
>>44435371
Yeah yeah but more seriously, Gorum could not be any more Chaotic Evil if he tried. Trying to be more Chaotic Evil would make him less so if anything, which is where demons falter.
>>44435442
Based on what? He supports wars of all causes and glory for all combatants.
>>44435434
Hippies
>>44435188
> He didn't knew that Sound Striker got errata aged ago.
Weirdwords is now a single hit if you target a single target.
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9t4f
>>44435466
So... Gorum cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows?Pretty sure that being PF's answer to Khorne makes him pretty CE.
>>44435466
Yes. War for its own sake. He is a god of perpetual fighting and carnage and would literally cease to exist if wars stopped happening.
>>44435414
5 sphere casting inquisitors, 4 taking the nature sphere, 1 taking the mind sphere. They circle cast to cast planar ally to solve all their problems.
So, what is the "iconic min-maxed" level 20 party? Like, builds that are very pushed to the extreme?
That fighter from a threads ago qualifies I think.
Along with that wizard that always gets posted.
Who else should flesh out this party? Does anyone have ridiculous level 20 builds to share?
>>44435525
I don't know what the fuck any of that is.
>>44435188
Why would he do that when he can cast Sonic Thrust for 15x Smite Evil.
>>44435531
Icons of min-maxing, or the iconics but minmaxed?
It kind of varies. A Fighter actually has no place in an iconically minmaxed PARTY, but the class itself can be minmaxed anyway.
>>44435571
>It kind of varies. A Fighter actually has no place in an iconically minmaxed PARTY, but the class itself can be minmaxed anyway.
I'm not so sure, did you see the build?
>>44435588
I did, but in an absolutely minmaxed party, you're looking at stuff like Greater Planar Binding'd and mind controlled angels or other powerful outsiders, free armies of simulacrums, and the like as your beaters.
>>44435531
Arcanist with Arcane Bond acquired in some way and Quick Study definitely belong on the list of maximum-power classes - listwide spontaneity always should be.
>>44435531
>Along with that wizard that always gets posted.
I know how strong wizards are, but what's this about a build that always gets posted?
Haven't seen that.
>We will never ever reunite the Successor Kingdoms
>We will never ever explore Goka
>We will never ever liberate a monster-held kingdom in Tian Xia
>We will never ever become a Linnorm King
>We will never ever restore the glory of Taldor
>We will never ever crush peasant heads under Molthunian boots
>We will get another Runelord AP
>>44435615
Yeah, those are way easier to kill than the fighter. And simulacrums of who?
>>44435789
>penis face
That's hurtful
>>44435826
Way easier to kill matters a lot less when you have an army of them teleporting in to support you as needed, and can replace them easily. Your angel buddies, yourselves, whatever else. With Blood Money you don't have to pay for it.
>>44435894
Ah, I always forget blood money exists. The only time the fighter is really required is when you need to hit something who's AC is too high for your angles and saves are out of range (or just immune to magic since that exists).
DSP guys, when are we gonna get the PoW equivalent of the Crown of the White Raven for Steelforge?
Is there any class ability nearly as good as Dust of Sneezing and Choking?
>>44436060
Like, some kind of...
>>44436060
What is that?
>>44436108
Items that added maneuvers to your maneuvers known.
>>44435789
But we WILL see every campaign on Roll20 be some variation of "give me content for my homebrew world" or "I'm going to run the handful of APs that aren't good!"
>>44434766
Unchained Rogue (Counterfeit Mage/Sanctified Rogue/Eldritch Raider) with the various magic talents, familiar, bookish rogue etc. - basically a stage magician pretending to be a wizard
Ganzi Medium (Spirit Dancer) based around masks and things like African mythos
Vigilante (Zealot - Fey) with Shade of Uskwood, Empower Holy Symbol, Channel Energy and the Command Undead feats as a aristocrat by day/necromancer by night
Fetchling Vigilante (Warlock) with Shadowjump, Shadow Body SLA, and Concealed Casting to have a 6th level shadowcaster in a sense
Dhampir Spiritualist (Fractured Mind/Ectoplasmatist) with the Bood Drinker/Blood Feaster/Fangs set up and eat people
Android Investigator (Steel Hound) from Alkenstar that has been travelling for some time and realized he's nearing a shut down so he is attempting to find a way to live on/pass on his memories.
A book writer caught up in an eldritch horror setting (think Strange Aeons) who doesn't quite understand what he is dealing with and copes by using it as inspiration for children's books. Like a Dr. Seuss.
Hey guys! What archetypes are compatible with the unchanged classes?
>>44436364
>unchanged classes
All the ones that would normally be.
If I'm playing a fencer, should I still be using Scarlet Einhander at level 5, or are there better options for stances?
>>44436412
Shit, sorry, meant unchained.
>>44436364
Everything for Rogue
Everything for Barbarian
>>44436364
Only Monk of the Mantis for Monks so far, I believe.
>>44434766
Drow Dread / AntiPaladin Intimidator build. Uses channel energy, terrors, cruelties and touch of corruptions to cause sicken, poison, stunned, dazed, diseased, cursed, frightened, panicked, shaken to multiple targets so they become absolutely useless in combat.
Hobgoblin Siege Mage / Construct Rider. Party Crafter Build. Pilots a Mammoth Tank by midlevel play. Enchants the cannon strapped to his mammoth's back to payload bombs and spells.
Wyvaran Construct Rider / Hunter with a Roc Companion. Specializes in aerial bombings via the Bombard Trick and a haversack full of Feather Token: Trees to deal 30d6 fall damage + 10d6 large object damage. Also Alchemic bombing runs while Wagner plays in the background.
Human Psychic Armory / Eldritch Archer. Ranged Spellstrikes with his Panoply. Capable of enhancing his weapons to become +10 due to complimentary class features. Very MAD. Need to find a fix.
>>44436439
>should I still be using Scarlet Einhander at level 5,
Scarlet Einhander improves with level, anon.
That, and a Scarlet Einhander on a rapier is effectively a greatsword with more crits.
Grab Scarlet Throne Style, pray the DM thinks that includes 1.5x Strength, and be the one-handed badass you've always wanted to be.
>>44436548
Oh, right, thanks, I didn't notice that bit.
I was looking at Scarlet Style. What feats does that apply to? I'm using dex if it matters. Only thing I can think of is power attack/piranha strike.
>>44436572
>What feats does that apply to?
Every feat or class ability that assumes you're two-handing the weapon.
For example, a Zweihander Sentinel's Armament Shield will not work without Scarlet Throne Style, since it requires you to be two-handing the weapon.
>>44436548
Scarlet Throne Style does not include 1.5x strength.
>>44436639
That's why I said "pray the DM thinks that includes 1.5x Strength."
>>44436653
Don't encourage people to try and cheat. Especially not with DSP material. We've had to fight long and hard to get the respect we have. Using our material to cheat ruins that trust.
>>44436698
Hey Elric, I asked Gareth but would like to ask you too. What would you want to see out of an AP that included DSP content?
>>44436698
I assume anon was joking. I wasn't going to try it anyway. Good idea on scarlet throne by the way, it's easily my favourite discipline thematically.
>>44436623
I'm playing a stalker. Can you think of any good examples besides power attack?
> Dat feels when your build only coming around at level 5, but every campaign you can find start at level 1.
>>44436721
I'm a simple man with simple tastes in a game. I like stabbing monsters and taking their stuff. So make the combats interesting and worthwhile.
>>44435556
This seems like a hilarious combo. I must do it.
Now i just have to decide between Arcane Duelist and Dervish Dancer
>>44436653
And will be explicitly noted as such in the final release.
>Scarlet Throne Style [Combat, Style]
>Your skill with a single blade allows you to strike with the same force as those much stronger than you.
>Prerequisites: Sense Motive 3 ranks, one Scarlet Throne stance known.
>Benefit: As long as you only attack with a single weapon wielded in one hand during a round, you treat that weapon as if you were wielding it in two hands for the purposes of feats and abilities that would benefit from this change. This does not increase your Strength bonus to damage with the weapon.
>>44436653
It's worth asking the DM to houserule it, but as >>44436698 said; it's not how the feat works.
>>44436726
There aren't many for a Stalker. I was going to say "disarms," but then I remembered that PF doesn't give bonuses on disarms for that like 3.5 did. I'd probably consider a different style feat to go for.
>>44436762
Sounds simple enough.
I always like interesting loot, especially interesting mundane loot. Finding a barrel of oil has always been more interesting then 15 gold pieces to me. I want to reward players for finding thing.
Also that sense of triumph after a difficult encounter.
>>44436698
Of course Broken Blade renders a good majority of encounters fucked over, due to the fact that you transform any fucker with fist weapons into a Whirlwind raging, Pouncing
barbarian with a simple Bronze Knuckle + Steel Flurry Strike combo.
And people say that a moderately optimized cleric is overpowered. So piss off whenever you said that you wanted the PoW classes to be balanced to the Magus. A class that struggles to do half that damage, with crappier accuracy and with far weaker effects for them to choose from, at the same level that you can get the above effect (At level 5)
>>44436825
People don't say the moderately optimized cleric is overpowered for its combat damage, anon.
>>44436757
I still don't get why DMs think starting at level 1 is ever a good idea.
>>44436825
I mean... broken blade is being rebalanced. That is a thing that is happening if I recall.
