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Lamia Matriarch Waifu Edition
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>>44294791
Hopefully Psybomb doesn't feel I'm taking his thunder, but I'm pretty sure I can tell you, at the very least, that he's aware of all those issues, and there's been discussion of them internally.
>>44294820
You didn't use the updated pastebin.
>>44294820
>pic
Somebody has GOT to bring the Alchemists to heel. We let them get away with this mess and before you know it, they'll be brewing up homemade shoggoths.
>>44294791
>what on earth does a sunder specialist do against monsters who only have natural weapons or SLAs
Spell Sunder and Crippling
And since I've seen this in the past few threads and I assume it's kosher:
Reminder that DSP is doing a playtest on Psionics Augmented: Occult
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?472513-Dreamscarred-Press-Psionics-Augmented-Occult
>>44294820
>snake lower body
>with tails
Whelp, that's got my autism flairing.
>>44295108
Alright, here's a question
How would you go about unfucking the Greensting Slayer?
>>44295108
It's a kitsune-lamia.
>>44294898
Exactly. You sunder their spells, or reduce their HP to zero just like any other class would in that situation.
>>44295267
Did not mean to quote>>44295108
>>44295108
Template stacking leads to some silly results.
>>44295267
Sneak boost works on full attacks, remove the evasion shit so it can stack with Kensai Magus.
>is this image real or fake?
>have weeaboos gone too far?
>>44294820
Goddamn it summoner, no banging you eidolon
>>44295275
>not Sundering thier limbs
>not using thier limbs as improvised weapons to beat them to death
It's like you don't want to be a berserker-packing man an'a half
>>44295273
THATS NOT HOW THOSE CREATURES WORK!
Besides, everyone knows the best way to do a Kitsune lamia is to have the snake-tail covered in fur on the top to be one mighty fluffy tail.
Plus it would be like a giant waifu version of a pipe fox.
>>44295299
What would the sneaks replace instead?
Also, I'd rather it stack with Eldritch Archer than Kensei, but that's because Magic Stealth Snipers are my fetish
Snake Ran is gross, posting cute fluffy tail.
>>44295518
What do you think about Fluffy Snake Tail kitsune suggested in>>44295361
>>44295518
No, Goo Ran a best.
>>44295623
What does this have to do with Pathfinder, though?
So, I discouraged collaboration in the group to see what would happen. I should have expected this...
>Planned DMPC: Half-FaerieDragon Striker
>Half-Fiend/Half-Celestial Striker
>Dreige/Aellar Striker
>HalfElf Healer/Striker
Though the last might not be able to play, and the second to last is likely to change his character now that I've removed the collaboration restriction... I'd have had to give the last player a free set of wings for the hell of it.I renamed the group skype chat to FO2: Winged Baseball Edition for now.
>>44295647
You absolute madman. What have you done?
>>44295647
>Striker
?
>>44295609
Fluffy tail is best when there are many of them attached to one cute, sexy, or otherwise attractive woman.
>>44295267
Ignore it and VMC with Rogue.
Play a Vigilante (Stalker) / Mage Hunter instead or Viglante / Bladecaster instead.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/character-advancement#TOC-Variant-Multiclassing
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/prestige-classes/mage-hunter
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/prestige-classes/bladecaster
>>44294870
But anon, I already do that with Craft Ooze
>tfw I joined a campaign
>tfw the campaign lets me play the character I want with a generousness of creation I need in a setting I know
>mfw all seven of the other players are insufferable
>mfw I only got a day to create the character sheet, and it's already 1:00 AM
>mfw it's dawning on me the start time (5:30 EST) is absolutely brutal for my schedule
>mfwMyth-Weavers is down and I can't fucking save what I've already got
>mfw I'm not sure what I should feel anymore
I'm tempted to justquit.
>>44295694
You mean that isn't obvious? Sure not many people use party role type of terms outside of MMOs as much, but I thought the TTRPG and MMO communities overlapped enough that this at least was common knowledge?
Striker = Player who strikes things, and is usually good at it. Doesn't always mean it's all they can do though.
>>44295699
go to >>>/jp/14508429
>>44295518
go to >>>/jp/14392698
>>44295293
Do level adjustments for PCs work in Pathfinder?
>>44295787
I know all of that feel brah. I know all of that feel. I wish you the best.
>>44295647
>>44295683
Someone pointed out to me something that didn't quite click for me... and now that it has I'm not complaining.
My group is basically playing pic related.
Changed chat name to Fantasy Online: Season 2.
And I think I'm going to let this ride a bit, see what the players do. Because I'll just make it a houserule that you get basic wings regardless of what you make if this continues. They won't be anything too fancy and if you didn't get wings in your own build the rest of the group's wings will probably beat yours but everyone flies. I will totally make this work if the players don't go rebuild.
I will even use one of the bloody bubbles on Roll20 to reflect elevation! Maybe use one to reflect momentum too!
>>44295267
Get rid of evasion so it stacks with Kensai, and exchange bonus feats for slayer talents at levels 4, 8 12, 16, and 20.
>>44295647
uh.
Where's the Striker class? Never heard of it.
Can you use disarm on animals/magical beast?
I saw an interesting build that rely on failing Disarm and get AoO via Improved Disarm Partner + Pair Oppotunist.
>>44295812
I just want to know what questions I need to ask myself to see if I should go through with the campaign, because right now we've got a cool conquering of Avistan thing going on with crazy generous character creation and point buy... But one girl's playing a cute magical girl harpy and another's playing amaleKitsune oracle of Calistria while the rest are just... Weird, like a robot and a Lamia Paladin.
But you know what? I'm cool with those characters, I've played with bland and this is better than that. I'm just conflicted because 5:30 is just such an unforgiving game time, since that's smack dab in the middle of every important evening thing most people are doing, myself included.
>>44296032
It's not a class, it's a role, see >>44295799
>>44296143
Eh, well, I'll be running a game that starts Monday 5p EST right now. I've always been a 2nd/3rd shift kind of guy, with a preference towards 3rd/overnight, so this works for me. The group already knows that I might get scheduled on a monday afternoon even though it's unlikely, and they were fine when I was a player. Now with me as a GM they'll just have to suck it up I guess lol
>>44296143
>>44296204
Also, you don't know crazy generous character creation until you've played my game. See >>44295647
Starting level is 3, PF + DSP, 3.x and 3pp allowed with approval, gestalt (and gestalted races).
Yeah. This shit's gonna be fun. I might be biting off more than I can chew but I'm gonna try to forge ahead. Because I could use the experience that will come from running this type of game. Changing and adapting challenges to meet a grossly overpowered party? Let's go!
>>44295267
Change "use 1 arcana point to "as long as you have 1 arcana point"
>>44296137
Only if they are holding something.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Disarm
>>44295799
Ah, I see. I don't play MMOs, and the only time I ever saw the term was during a brief introduction I had to 4E, and I wasn't sure if the 4E usage of the phrase was a universal one or not.
>>44295722
I would of I were just trying to build something, but unfortunately that's not the case. I'm currently performing a massively autistic undertaking where I'm converting nearly every Paizo base class (except Occult because fuck that shit) to a different magic system, and I'm also including archetypes in said conversions.
After all the comments I've gotten though I think I've figured out how to get it done and convert the greensting in a not completely shit way to the new system.
And the best part? It can be compatible with either Eldritch Archer or Kensei.
Once I have the project ready for actual playtesting, I plan on sharing it with /pfg/, and perhaps after some time getting it worked, fixed, polished, and field tested, I might be able to publish it for about $2 for an over 250 page product.
>>44296296
>I recognize that handle and blade style
Shoot man, that crab is wielding a Shun damascus steel kitchen knife. That bad boy be rocking a Masterwork Weapon there.
>>44294820
muh dik
>>44296296
oh shit it's real
>>44296384
That crab actually IS real.
They don't look as realistic as that, but they're known as Samurai Faced Crabs.
>>44296432
Ah yes, the Heikegani. Fun little guys, huh?
All I have over here are blue crabs. Speaking of which...
Is a crab-themed Druid feasible?
>>44296454
I think you'd have to be a Blight Druid to get vermin empathy, but other than that all you'd have to do is use the 4 HD ability to boost their intelligence 1 to so it can learn tricks and feats.
> All 3 martial/gish in the party is DEX-build (2TWF, 1 Slashing Grace)
> My Herald Caller Cleric has the most STR in the party
How screw am I?
>>44296454
I'm not sure, but that crab gif is friggin adorable
I know you can get a crab as a Vermin familiar, though not sure if they have Giant Crab Vermin companion or not.
Vermin Heart feat allows Wild Empathy with Vermin, so you can probably do it with an Aquatic Druid. Also the Swarm Skin spell is a must.
Grab heavy armor proficiency from somewhere and make some armor from chitin. You will want to either use a bladed Weapon, or grab some stuff for grappling
Other than Druid, I suggest a Verminous Hunter, as they can get a Crab animal focus
>>44296577
It annoys me they that vermin aren't animals. It seems like a pointless distinction.
>>44296576
You're going to have to carry all their shit.
>>44296454
I can't find any crab totems or domains.
Based on Terra Formars, the idea sounds useful.
Does anybody have a version of the pdf for #100 and Agents of Evil that they'd be willing to upload somewhere? The PF release thread three doors down has nothing yet.
>>44295787
>myth weavers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V6l7A0kaPkPUjNlwFEqziMnE5NWnCELZ42yW4ePbexE/edit#gid=1867984558
to be honest with you, family.
>>44296577
They do have Crab Animal Companion. They are kinda bad though.
>>44296622
Well I guess loots distribution is depending on me then.
>tfw all everyone wants are crabs, spiders, scorpions, and mantis
>tfw you will never have vinegaroon companion
>tfw you will never have vinegaroon totems and powers
>tfw Paizo will never stat Giant and monstrous varieties of vinegaroon
>tfw no one cares for vinegaroon, and it hasn't even been shown on Terra Formars
Suffering
>>44296741
This isn't even real
>>44296705
Well you don't have to optimize animal campaigns THAT much, they're already pretty damn powerful. Just make sure you pick the right feats and archetype for it.
>>44296762
>not real
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelyphonida
Also just go ahead and type in vinegaroon into YouTube or any other search engine you want
Plus I've seen them up close before. They're pretty baller.
>>44296730
Might be great if you're using the cockatrice order and aren't unwilling to be a dick.
Since were on the subject of aquatic monsters, I meant to post this a few threads ago.
Sahaugin initiators.
>>44296860
I didn't want to give them the martial disciple classes. They're for an upcoming game in the Forgotten Realms that take place during of the 12th Seros War near not!Hellenic Greece.
>>44296804
> Cleric
> Cockatrice order
what?
>>44295799
No one uses that term in MMOs. It's a 4th ed thing, and pretty much only that.
The MMO term is DPS (which is understood here but technically should be DPR for turn based tabletops). DPS/TANK/HEALER.
No MMO uses "striker/leader" instead of DPS and Healer.
SOME use 'support' but that's more often folded into every other role unless there's a dedicated non-main-healer/damage/tank buff/debuff class.
>>44296787
Crab only starts with 13 STR. They get +2 Bonus at level 4 (instead of the normal +4 from going medium).
Being a Virmin, you can't even cast Animal Growth and Strong Jaw on it. And you have to spends resource to increase INT to it before it can even take a feat.
>>44296935
You can with Vermin Heart.
>>44295799
Striker isn't an MMO term.
It's DPS.
Anyone know where I can get my hands on the Fell's Five comics? A friend of mine told me to rip off their story.
>>44297313
DPS and DPH are both "Striker" roles though. Hell, even AoE could be considered a "Striker" if you look at it. Strikers are essentially damage dealers of any type. A blastomancy Wizard is a Striker, a BSF is a Striker, a Rogue optimized for constant Sneak Attacks is a Striker.
>>44297620
4e Cranked out the terms so that classes and their roles in combat were simple to understand to players. Now, can a class with high DPS/DPR be called a Striker? Sure. Can a class that offers buffs and aids in extra movement and position (like PoW's Golden Commander discipline) as a Leader? Yes. Is there something with great defensive capabilities working as a Defender? Yeah, though one of the only classes that comes to mind that does this is PoW's Warder. Point it, it's not "MMO" terminology.
>>44297620
No, again, it's purely a 4th ed D&D term.
A Thief (gods I hate the term 'rogue' for bloody bakstabz'R'us) optimized for sneak attacks is also a reconnaissance specialist, a traps and locks expert, and against anything that demands reflex saves (fireball-lobbers, dragon breath, a surprising number of rays and lines) they're top grade dodge-tanks too. Oh, they'll also have one or two other skills they're good at, perhaps intimidation or crafting or something.
A blaster wizard - unless played to truly retarded levels - is ALSO a powerful battlefield controller (you keep saying striker so I imagine you know and use 'controller') and utility man as well. Far from only using blasts, unless absolutely retarded a 'blasting' wizard is also most likely the party item crafter, spell knowledge and arcane deciphering machine, oh and FUTURE-SCRYING + MIND FUCKING CONTROL unit. He probably also summons shit to tank, beat, heal and charm for the party too. Because why would he not?
"Striker" was a term for a specific game where the classes came just short of being gutted down to MMO raiding levels of variation and depth of scope.
>>44297719
>4e was an MMO
I want this meme to die.
>>44297719
But a reconnaissance specialist who is good at hitting things where they hurt isn't necessarily someone who steals for a living, thus why the term 'rogue' over 'thief'
Note that sneak attacks aren't automatically backstabs, either.
>>44297742
Suck it up, faggot, and fuck off with your dead game.
>>44297742
4th edition was made specifically to be used with a game interface (you'd get access to with the subscription you paid for the character builder)
it was scrapped at the last phase of development by the company outsourced for it.
but it was made to be a multiplayer online game. maybe not to massive tbf.
>>44295699
What if the tail is attached to TWO attractive women?
Hey /pfg/, I've got a quick question. Now I know you don't hold the Paizo Adventure Paths in much regard but I've been thrust into the DM's seat with only 12 hours of prep time to start a campaign and, to be frank, the creative juices aren't flowing tonight.
So I'm here to ask you what, if any, adventure paths you would recommend? I've heard a lot of good things about Kingmaker but the players are all very, very new so I'm not sure if it'd be such a good fit for them.
Just from a quick glance at the materials RotR, Carrion Crown, Reign of Winter, or Iron Gods seem pretty fun.
>>44297909
I've heard good things about Crypt of the Everflame.
I think Crypt and one other AP I can't remember are the only ones I haven't seen criticised by /pfg/ at least once.
>>44297923
Crypt is a module isn't it? The name sounds familiar to me. Might have been run for me when I was just starting out.
Is that the one with the shadow fight and the +1 dagger in the fire? A puzzle utilizing a well with a fuck-ton of keys on the bottom?
>GM of long running game
>run Void Prophet Zealot BBEG
>Crimson Count Harbinger PC fights him
>rest of the party has no idea what is going on as we say what boosts/counters/maneuvers we're initiating
>they think we're making shit up
Weird feel, good feel. The two of them were flying around the battlefield on lightening and shit. I love Piercing Thunder.
>>44297802
No, but they're shanks when the guy's attention is forced elsewhere, or when they're not expecting it.
It's not a backstab TECHNICALLY, but it's far more to do with assassination than "homeless vagrant" which is what the term originally referred to.
>>44297983
They didn't bother reading anyfuckingthing about their own fucking partymembers, the confusion is entirely on them.
I've had enough such "illiterates" at my table to know that one should always look up the rest of the party's capabilities, because half of them don't understand what they can do (leading to paizo board anecdotes like "my CRB-only PFS-rules monk was credit to team, far more than the wizards") and end up one attack as a full action all day long after running out of their five burning hands in the volcanic fire dungeon.
there's always one...
>>44297983
Were you trying to figure out how to stat a level 20 Void Prophet a couple of days ago?
>>44298006
>>44297802
It's "rogue" as in "going rogue" or "rogue agent".
The idea is that the rogue, regardless of being a thief, scout, whathaveyou, is the one who will go ahead from the party, and is expected to split off from the party and utilize stealth.
The fact that rogue also means "a dishonest man" is a helpful nod to the old thief.
>>44298027
>that lewd dot placement
>icwutudidthr.jpg
>>44298027
Yes, I managed it.
>>44298022
Half of them know PoW, only me and the one PC know PoW Ex. I don't blame them, it's a lot of disciplines to learn. It's not like I know the druid spell list off the top of my head.
>>44298043
it's "going rogue" as in he'll turn on you, slice the fighter's throat in his sleep, and run away with all your stuff while blaming you all for not accepting his murder of the paladin last week.
>>44298094
That's also a possibility. The name is broad for a reason.
A rogue is considered useful to a party in that it isn't always a part of their planning schema and thus isn't predictable.
>>44298083
Can you post it here so the rest of us can use it?
>>44298305
The Void Prophet? He's on note cards, sorry. Also I changed him up to use Wisdom instead of Charisma and gave him Piercing Thunder despite not qualifying for it.
His full title was Melephaine, Guardian of the Innocence's Passing.
>>44298333
Can you take a picture of the cards? I might be able to make a statblock like >>44296860
>>44297881
Is that two women for the price of one fluffy tail, or one fluffy tail for the price of two women?
>>44294820
>Want to make an Undead Character
>DM allows this
>DM doesn't allow me to use the skeleton template, only the generic undead features
>Says it's "too powerful" and template restrictions like alignment and characteristics set to 10 or to 0
>Even if i'm a fucking PC
>So basically now I'm a tank without any kind of tank features that would allow me to survive the day
Why do people do such bullshit?
>>44298516
Just play an Obitu
>>44298539
too late for that, i already started the game.
DM used the fact that I'm new to PF and didn't know there were templates for races
Does anyone know the name of the 3.pp book that has guns? There's 'heavy' rifles and stuff, a feat to allow you to brace them, and some sort of Elven Longrifle thing. I had the book, but lost my old harddrive. Can't remember it.
>>44298516
Your GM sounds like the reasonable one in this situation. If you want to be a "tank" display it in your class.
>>44298516
Skeleton adds, atop undead:
>Natural AC based on size
>HD change to d8s which is not great if fighter but great if magey
>Cold Immunity
>Two Claw Attacks
>+2 Dex
>Lose base racial feats but gain improved init: rather great for humans and several other races....
So you're getting undead immunities, no CON to worry about, but you wanted a bunch of tanking abilities without having to pick a class in that regard?
Specifically the Skeleton template... If I were the GM, I would have allowed it.
It would've been fun.
For me.
Maybe not as much for you who was hoping he'd get to play that character, since the template KIIINDA makes you into an utterly mindless undead to be controlled by someone else.
Whoops!
>>44298808
Racial HD change to d8s, not class HD.
DM has given me heads up that my character is going to die in this story arc's conclusion. So, I could use some help with a new character.
As part of the story, this DM gives character boons. Mine for this next character is a custom race* and a magic longsword. That being said, I've never really built character that focuses melee, so I was hoping for some advice. My idea, though, was to use the Soul Weaver Archetype "Lichling" with the telekinesis sphere to add my Charisma to health and melee attacks. I could then use some Oracle VMC to add Charisma to AC. That'd allow me to dump all three physical stats in favour of mental ones.
Thoughts?
*Custom Race
+2 all Ability Scores
Racial Proficiency: All
No eating, drinking, or sleeping
Immunity to sleep effects
"Spirit Power" Can be used in place of Power Points or Spell Points. Additionally, it can be used as Investigator's inspiration for +1d8 to a roll as a swift action.
>>44299119
Holy fuck that race, what rp value is that and did your gm actually approve that?
Also, unless your GM is hand waiving it, the char to ac revalations can't be used by VMC oracles.
>>44298516
play a class that gets defensive abilities and get something like broken wing gambit.
>>44298516
Skeleton wouldn't make you a tank. Getting just the Undead type is a lot better than Skeleton, since DR is worthless and immunity to cold is the only good thing they got. Tanking needs to be done through class features and abilities. It mostly doesn't exist at all in 1pp though.
>>44296860
>>44296883
You might want to note which maneuvers are strikes, boosts, or counters in addition to their discipline.
>>44299358
It mostly doesn't exist at all in 1pp though.
Well, it's more that it's built into the mechanics of Attacks of Opportunity. Any melee fighter with decent single-hit damage is effectively a tank because choosing NOT to engage them means taking a whole lot of damage. In theory.
>>44299483
There's that, then there's the 3pp Warder. Warders get a scaling version of Combat Patrol, and a Warder can give attack penalties/spell failure chance if an enemy targets someone other than him.
>>44299358
What are some 1pp ways to tank anyway?
Antagonize feat? Broken Wings Gambit? Spell like Command, Compel Hostility, Lock Gaze?
>>44299857
None
What *specifically* in Weapon Master's Handbook is considered so good? It mostly seems pretty meh.
>>44300613
Mostly just the shit for fighters. It is meh, which is a huge improvement for them.
>>44300613
Advanced weapon training is pretty good.
Is the Pit Witch archtype any good? I was considering making a character with it.
What are the best weapons in the Light Blades weapon group? d20pfsrd is ridiculously frustrating when trying to learn a weapon's actual stats.
>>44300861
Just pick up your goddamn rapier.
>>44300902
Please, anon. There are 2 other people at my table wielding rapiers.
>>44300980
Sounds like a perfect chance to be a third musketeers desu
>>44300980
Use Kukri then.
>>44300861
Kukris or Wakizashis (if you can be bother getting the feat or are using a class that gets proficiency). threat range is the most important than basically
>>44300613
Magic Item feats and feat that let fighter trade extra weapon training group with max rank in skill.
What is the Not!Germany of Golarion?
>>44301152
I think it's Brevoy
>>44301152
River Kingdoms is pretty much a Not!HRE in desperate need of an emperor.
Molthune is Prussia, if Prussia was comically evil.
>>44301170
Brevoy is two kingdoms stitched together, it's totally Not!Poland.
>>44295647
>>44301152
Ustalav has places with German names
>>44300613
Spell Cut, and Overwatch Style makes Crossbows usable
>>44301203
>Molthune is Prussia, if Prussia was comically evil.
So it's Prussia.
>>44301495
How does overwatch style makes crossbow usable?
You still needs extra feat to reload, you still lack str/dex to damage and you get no benefit from haste (and manyshot).
>>44301576
Found the bavarian.
>>44301598
>needs extra feat to reload
Not for the attacks provided in the style
>>44301598
Not him but also to make things worse, you need Rapid Shot to qualify for Overwatch Style, which is a dead feat for crossbow users. Either we're missing something or he is, and no offense but I hope we're the ones being stupid. I'd love to have a viable crossbow build.
>>44301203
I thought Molthune was the NotSovietUnion
Quick, Fluffy tail or Snake Cloaca?
>>44301699FluffyCloaca
>>44301671
But Molthune is a facist military oligarchy. Actually I would say they are more Not!FacistItaly.
>>44301654
> Citation needed.
There is nothing in overwatch style that change reloading speed. You can readied two attack action but you will shoot blank on the second one.
>Fiendbound marauder trades out a ton of really REALLY good class features
>for a sweet fucking claw arm
It doesn't sound very good, but I'll be damned if I don't play NIGHTMARE the class.
>>44301699
Spidertits. Rachnee is the best girl besidessmithsad twist of irony when in a manga/anime about monstergirls, the human is in second place
>>44301658
Rapid Shot is actually legit for crossbow user as long as you can reload as a free action.
>>44301654
>>44301742
On the same page of the book is a picture of a dude holding two crossbows. He's probably not just there to look retarded, he's also demonstrating the expected method of using Overwatch Style with crossbows and guns.
>>44301755
>Nightmare the class
Mein neger.
If you had to stat Soul Edge and Soul Calibur as artifact, how would you do it?
Besides both being intelligent items one CE and oneLE
>>44301832
Is that your reason? how do you know that the guy doesn't have Rapid Reload / Crossbow Master for free action reload?
>>44301784
You know what I miss from 3.5? Hand Crossbow Focus. Just a pretty plain feat that, for hand crossbows only, gives you Weapon Focus and Rapid Reload in one. With all the shit that requires one or the other, it would be perfect in PF.
>>44301891
My reason for what? That was my first response.
>>44301832
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t4qh?Kinetic-Blast-Overwatch-Vortex#2
Even Mark says that overwatch style doesn't help with ranged attack with action economy.
>>44301912
So you see a picture of a guy holding 2 crossbow and you go "LOL I don't needs rapid reload with overwatch style"? That just... well a pretty big leap in logic.
>>44297719
>Thief is a better class name becuase reasons...
Because nothing says I'm good at stealing stuff like surgical murder precision.
>>44301832
>>44301912
And that dude probably had to go through the obnoxious process of loading one crossbow, setting it down, drawing another, loading that one, picking up the first one, and then posing for the picture. It's possible to use the feat for crossbows while still having to load them as a standard action. That doesn't mean it's practical, however.
>>44301912
>>44301946
My apology, I thinks I got you mix up with another guy
>>44301946
What are you talking about? I'm not making claims about what you should do, what I do, or what I think you need. Just what Paizo thinks and that it's not very well-thought-out. I would take Rapid Reload if I were ever doing a crossbow style, regardless of this style.
But looking closely at the feat, you wouldn't even GET a free action between to reload a single crossbow even though you definitely have RR, because it's not your turn.
>>44301863
Soul Calibur would be LN in my opinion.
But anyway.
Soul Edge, Two-handed Exotic weapon 2d6 Slashing 19-20/2x
>Heal half damage inflicted upon a critical hit and inflicts one ; proficient with itself; Wielders receive 1d6 damage per turn for each step their alignment differs from the sword's
Soul Calibur, One-handed Martial weapon 2d4 Piercing/Slashing 18-20/2x
>Grants wielder immunity to energy drain and death effects, +4 sacred bonus to will saves; Those who wield the sword without its permission receive no benefits, and the swords damage becomes 1d3 Piercing/Slashing 20/2x while in their hands
>>44301832
Are you sure that wasn't intended for Empty Quiver style, which DOES let you reload your weapons and would benefit from dual-wielding since they're being used as melee weapons?
>>44301755
>>44301699
>Ninetei
>Yukio
>Mero
Top three best girls.
>>44302026
>and inflicts one
hmmm, that was an error.
>>44302033
>liking bleeding-edge borderline furry
>liking "chilly your willy"
>liking cuckold-fetish mermaid
>>44302026
Eh Soul Calibur wants to encase the entire planet in crystal and its swordspirit is almost as much of a dick, if not more, than Inferno.
Inferno just goes to mindrape and possess you, Elysium is emotionally abusive.
Is there a PF equivalent to the same game test? I have some personal homebrews that I'd like to test out, and I actually like to playtest my fucking garbage. So what is the metric for monsters a player character should be able to defeat?
Also I don't care about Tiers.
>>44302024
Wouldn't that make the whole style useless since drawing all ammunition (even arrow) is a free action?
Although since ready action moves your initiative order and all, it might be count as your turn when you take the trigger action?
>>44302024
I think sometimes Paizo gets confused about free actions and think that you can do them during other people's turns. I distinctly remember some errata where they had to correct that because some feat simply didn't work as written.
>>44302060
>Elysium is emotionally abusive.
She also has a fantastic rack. Yeah yeah I know >she
But yeah, soul calibur is single-mindedly devoted to the destruction of soul edge and to order itself. Its methods are whatever is deemed necessary to achieve that goal.
>>44302146
Technically that is Sophitia's rack. Which gives some weird implications considering Elysium manifested as the thing Patroklos desired the most.
Anyways, I think you might be right about the LN part.
>>44302129
Aren't a delayed turn and a readied action different things?
>>44302092
Honestly? Just adapt what's necessary from the 3.5 encounters and run with it. Should give you about the same results.
>>44302243
Yes. Readied actions are limited to standard actions, and do not change your place in the turn order (they instead allow you to act outside your turn). A delayed turn is exactly that: delaying your turn. Your turn gets moved down in the initiative order, and will come up in that particular spot for the rest of the combat, assuming you don't delay again later on.
>>44302204
How is it weird? That rack is his mother's bosom, if you ignore the sexual connotations it's got a very powerful mother-child safety/love thing going on.
Besides, even his son must recognize how amazing Sophitia's boobs are, they're the best in a game of top shelf boob monsters.
>>44302300
I don't know, Ivy definitely has the better calcium cannons in my opinion. Plus her weapon is cooler, clearly patroklos must have an oedipus complex because otherwise he'd be seeing the superior woman.
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>>44302243
>>44302282
> Initiative Consequences of Readying: Your initiative result becomes the count on which you took the readied action
?
>>44302327
>Ivy
>Superior
Get your BDSM fetish outta here
>>44302048
>Hating fluffy merchant slut
>>44302360
But of course ivy is superior
>>44302092
The metrics given in PF are based on parties, and they assume parties of 4. A party with less than that is treated as its average level -1, and a party with more is treated as its average +1. Challenges with a given CR are expected to be completed 4 times before resting, and are NOT 50/50 coinflip chances at a party wipe - a challenge that is actually equal to the party is around their level +3 in CR.
You can use other classes to test effectiveness in combat if you like; monster encounters are at least somewhat analogous to PCs in the way they scale. A 'rival PC' is considered to be a CR of its level minus 1, but if it's not made by an incompetent you should probably increase that by 1 since Paizo would be assuming that one of their generics fits.
>>44302357
Well never mind, I'm looking at delaying and readying on the PFSRD now and apparently my group has been doing it totally wrong this whole time.
Is it possible to change archetypes in a game like it's possible to change alignments?
>>44302360
She really is though.
>>44302360
This is practically the BDSM board, YOU leave.
>>44302407
Yes, with retraining rules
>>44302327
The boobs of your mom will probably trump the boobs of some white-haired British floozy you met like once.
>>44302360
Ivy's whole schtick is she's trying to find a way to cure her family's curse. While this could end with Ivy just not having kids, the fact she's trying really hard to find a cure and in fact stopped her aging around the mid-20s shows she wants to have a family some day.
Before then? The BDSM is her way to cope with not having sex, it's not really her being a freak if it's the only way she can safely get off.
>>44302406
Shit, me too. In fact this makes Overwatch Style SUPER BAD, god damn.
>>44302092
>So what is the metric for monsters a player character should be able to defeat?
A on the level character should be able to defeat a equal CR foe, via various methods, within 4 rounds.
A strong character can do it within 2, and that is the standing benchmark.
For example, a level 20 archer fighter WILL drop a balor in 2 rounds, period, if they were put together moderately well.
What are the best items for a level 9 Zweihander Sentinel Warder? I've already got the Full Plate and sword paid for, and I've got 46,500 left to work with.
>>44302395
Hey, now, lets not get derisive!
>playing a gunslinger pirate captain for almost a year.
>campaign we were doing ended up getting railroaded into a pseudo Skull's & Shackles because everyone was down with pirates after my character came in.
>had it set for a long ass time that I wanted Shark Island and rebuild Ollo from the ground up, and everyone in our group knows this.
>we meet a homebrewed mortal herald of Besmara
>in an attempt to get him to help us, one of the party members offers him Shark Island while I'm not around.
>I find out about this and storm off to right this wrong in some way.
>ends up with me dueling the herald and losing
>things end up getting resolved for the most part later.
>everyone, including the GM, tells the guy that caused this that was a stupid thing to do.
>guy apologizes to me.
I'm still fucking pissed
>>44302357
Looks like you still only get the one action, not a turn.
>>44302564
Taki has some quality boobs but I'd argue her butt is the main event.
>>44302552
Items that will get you alternate forms of movement.
Save boosters.
Miss chance providers.
I'm playing 3.5 but this seems like a good place to ask, I don't have to make a new thread. It's not a question directly related to system or setting.
I've been DMing for 2 to 3 players, typically, but it looks like my next session will have 5 or 6 players. What's the best way to prepare for that? Should I replace enemies in encounters with stronger ones, or just have extra/stronger enemies ready if they're needed? Most of these guys are inexperienced, so I'm worried about making it too tough, but I know they all enjoy combat.
>>44302582
I dunno, bro.
Sure, it was shitty, but people called the shitty guy out on it and it sounds like you got some pretty awesome roleplay out of the deal.
>>44302607
Don't worry about having it "easy", first off.
If you want the combat to be more challenging, add environmental hazards. Fights in swamplands, for instance, or in dense woodlands, can really change shit up.
>>44302607
The only real difference is that things may take a lot longer. Like not even linear-scale-by-number longer, it's some serious quadratic relation shit.
>>44302591
>main event
And if I made a character like this, fuckers would scream MAGICAL REALM.
>>44302678
>The Iridian Choir.webm
>>44302678
>And if I made a character like this, fuckers would scream MAGICAL REALM.
People would get upset if you said your character had an amazing ass?
The important question of the day.
How do we save Thron?
Because that poor bastard really needs saving.
>>44302591
Don't discount the titties.
>>44302707
Yes. Well, not my group, but I've seen people.
>>44302762
>Yes. Well, not my group, but I've seen people.
Those people need to take a chill pill. Its amazing how absurdly thin skinned some people are.
>>44302678
Only if you went on about it. Like if you felt the need to list each of her sexy features instead of bringing one up comically and continuing with the game.
>>44302678
What is a good way to quantify the attractiveness of a character?
A player in my group dislikes the [str+dex+con+cha]/4, and says we should have a whole new stat, and I am inclined to agree.
>>44302829
I am inclined to say that there should be no stat for that, it's not a number you need for something and all adventurers are somewhere on the scale from ruggedly handsome to delicately beautiful unless otherwise noted.
>>44302829
I don't think it needs a stat. Just let players pick how they want to look.
Make NPC judgements of their character completely go off their CHA and not their fluff appearance.
Beatiful woman adventurer, but with 6 CHA? She can never get anyone to take her seriously through the wall of verbal sexual harassment she receives.
>>44302825
Depends on people.
I play DH with a girl who is playing a female noble with "a tight perky ass and big tits", and this has come up a few times in the course of roleplay, but no one gives a toss.
>>44302829
What the player says.
You can be as attractive as you want, but that doesn't mean it's GOOD, or even bad, or actually, anything at all.
It is merely a descriptor, one that, depending on the game, may not even be of import. You can be a hot fucking gnome, among gnomes, but you go out in the world, and nobody will give an attractive gnome a second look, except gnomes.
>>44302829
Why is that something you desperately need, instead of just saying 'this guy is hot' 'this chick is uggers' regardless of what their stats say?
Also, you know, personal tastes.
>>44302762
Don't get me wrong, Taki's got a big rack, but every girl's got a thing and Taki's is being fit with a nice butt.
>>44302758
Well, obviously we need to stop and/or purify Zon-Kuthon, since he's the one who holds Thron's leash.
After that, presumably the best way would be to get him checked and cured by several gods of healing and medicine.
If none of these things are possible, then unfortunately we may have to put the old dog down for his own good. Though granted we should not do this without Shelyn's approval.
>>44302829
I feel that, if you want to go out of your way to stat it, attractiveness should depend not only on the average of physical stats, but how balanced they are. Someone with 10 str and 11 dex is probably going to look more attractive than someone with 18 str and 3 dex.
>>44302829
You don't need an attractiveness attribute. If a character's attractive, they're attractive. If they're not, they're not. Anyone who asks for bonuses because their character is hot is fishing for modifiers and should be slapped upside the head for putting the rules above a good story.
Attractiveness really only matters if you've got a supernatural ability that runs off of it (like the Nymph or Succubus) or if you're ERPing. The former are abilities PCs don't generally get access to. If it's the latter, what people consider as sexually attractive is so fucking nebulous and individualized that you'd need an entire subsystem to track every NPC's fetishes, personal preferences, and turn-offs. Maybe the chancellor ignores the smoking hot sorceress and falls for the barbarian because he's got a thing for foot stench and those leather-coated boots of hers make him rock hard with anticipation.
Basically, it's too much fucking effort to factor in attractiveness, so don't bother.
>>44302942
>>44303010
Charming trait gives small modifiers based on appearance.
Hey, /pfg/, what's your favorite magical item?
Mine is probably Origami Swarm.
Kirin Style:
>Benefit: While using this style, you can spend a swift action to make a Knowledge check to identify a single creature (DC 15 + the creature’s CR for this purpose). If you succeed at the check, while using this style, you gain a +2 bonus on saving throws against that creature’s attacks, as well as a +2 dodge bonus to AC against that creature’s attacks of opportunity. These bonuses last for as long as you use this style. If you cease combat with the creature during this time and resume it later, you can attempt the check again.
Kirin Strike:
>Benefit: You gain a +2 insight bonus on Knowledge checks made to identify creatures, including the one Kirin Style allows. While using Kirin Style against a creature you have identified using that feat, as a swift action after you have hit a creature with a melee or ranged attack, you can add twice your Intelligence modifier in damage (minimum 2).
Is this how it goes?
-Round 1: Enter Kirin Style stance as a swift action
-Round 2: Use a swift action while in Kirin Style to make knowledge check about creature
-Round 3: Use Kirin Strike as a swift action
Or are Round 1 and 2 the same action? It's unclear.
>>44303096
>tfw I hate just about every magic item in the game
>>44303032
No, it's based on whether you've caused them to be attracted to you, which is however your group plays that - typically using your Charisma, Diplomacy, or Am I Actually Roleplaying stats. Alternatively, spells.
>>44303163
>just about
How about posting the ones you don't hate instead of shitposting uselessly?
>>44302395
I think the conversation has gotten off track.
Now first, something for both sides of the fence.
>>44303227
Well I really do hate magic items in Pathfinder. This game has more or less soured my opinion on the idea of magic items as a whole.
I guess in terms of pure munckinism, I like Brawling enchanted armor.
>>44297909
Going to re-ask this so I can get some other opinions.
>>44303263
You pretty much named the most often recommended APs.
Daily reminder that Soul Caliber 5 was shit.
>>44303251
And for the chucklefuck that claimed Taki was about ass, gaze upon blessed works, and may you be forthwith ever after blinded.
>>44303308
>that face
3d pigs shouldn't try to capture the majesty of 2D.
>>44303308
>he thought I was done
>train doesn't stop
>>44303010
As a person who has run multiple ERP games, I can confirm that even we don't bother with making a stat or subsystem for attractiveness. When I pick players, I ask (privately) about each applicant's particularly tastes and attempt to put together a group of people with similar preferences. Because of that, when I say things like attractive or well-endowed, people are more or less on the same page with each other. We don't have one person thinking I mean well-endowed by real life standards and another taking it by /d/ standards.
The actual descriptions of NPCs aren't that different from you'd in a normal, family-friendly game except with a bit more emphasis on what sticks out about them sexually (IE, "The bar maiden is a cute red-haired human girl in a fairly plain brown dress, but she has several beautiful rings on her hands and a fancy butterfly-shaped hairpin that suggests she makes more money than mere tips. She's licking her lips as she eyes the warder, one hand carrying a tray of drinks to the party's table as the other rests on a shapely set of hips.").
What are some good non-Paizo AP's?
>>44303334
>nothing stops dwarf
>NOTHING
>>44303329
But Soul Calibur always used 3D models
>>44303293
Huh, I see. Welp, at least I have good taste. I'm thinking Iron Gods right now. Anyone have any experience with it?
>>44303375
>will brake for ass, tho
>>44303257
>>44303163
Really? I was going through the wondrous item list loving all that shit. From the top of my head:
>Glasses that lets you see how close living beings are to death
>Cape that lets you take off, put on, and store disguises inside of it instantaneously
>scaled metal gauntlet that looks like a snake and can actually turn into a metal snake
>>44303126
>not being in kirin style all the time
>>44303416
>and with this, I'm out
>>44303329
>m-muh 2D
>being this autistic
>being this wrong
>>44303010
>>44302972
Honestly Appearance has a place as a number, but it should never be used as an absolute measurement in the same way Strength or Dexterity is.
Instead, just use it as a guideline to figure out how attractive a person is; Man has a 16 in Appearance with the highest stat being Strength? Just assume that means he's very muscular, and the muscles fit him well. Woman has an 11 in Appearance with the higest stat being Constitution? She's got big boobs and good hips, but beyond raw titillation they're just sorta frumpy and ungainly.
>>44303751
Or you could just do the descriptions without referring to yet another arbitrary number that has no real reason to exist.
>>44303751
>good hips
>frumpy and ungainly
You take that back right this instant, motherfucker.
I've got 34k worth of gold to spend on my level 8 bard. What should I grab? Right now I have:
longsword (+2) - 8k
+4 CHA helmet - 16k
Amulet of nat. armor - 8k
misc. stuff for the other 2k
>>44303789
You've never seen a girl with wide hips but they just look kind of weird when you consider the rest of her?
>>44303787
I suppose, ultimately it's up to player preference but going a little autist with the mechanics never hurts if it's not integrated.
>>44303554
You can't use styles outside of combat
>>44303792
Replace +2 longsword and amulet of nat armor of +2 (Total 16 k gold) for:
+1 longsword (2k)
Belt of STR or DEX +2 (4k)
Cloak of Resistance +2 (4k)
Amulet of Natural Armor +1 (2k)
Ring of Protection +1 (2k)
With this, you save 2k, and you gain considerably better stats-you can use the 2k remaining to get decent armor.
>>44303751
>>44303787
I mean, just calling them an X/10 is a metric people already use in real life that isn't complicated. If they see that this 8/10 is a barbarian they can probably guess he's buff with a sculpted physique, and by the same token a wizard described as a 3/10 is... well, you can guess.
>>44303792
Scrolls and wands.
>>44303787
Having an actual appearance score could serve to make things interesting depending on how it's implemented, but it's the sort of thing I'd ask my players about instead of forcing it upon them.
For example, penalties for disguising as a creature with a dissimilar appearance score.
>>44303847
Then they're not good hips, now are they?
>Great Feature
>This feature fits exactly what you want your character to specialize in and is the only thing remotely relevant to the concept.
>Prerequisites: Weapon Focus, Combat Expertise, Elf weapon familiarity, Combat Reflexes, Skill Focus (Thing), Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Specialization, Base Attack Bonus +9, Orc weapon familiarity, Sorcerer level 12th
>Benefit: Once per day, while wearing no armor, while doing your character's specialty, while wielding half a buckler two-handed, you gain a +1 enhancement bonus to AC. At 19th level, this bonus increases to +1.5.
>>44303867
People can't agree what the fuck is an X/10 in IRL we just use them as vague metrics to define whats attractive from our perspective without going into detail.
>>44303645
>those hips
>dat ass
>qt 3.14Is it weird that the tag kills it for me?
>>44303910
What do you gain from implementing it? How does it improve the story?
I think it would just create another thing for players to take advantage of without any real benefit. The system already has enough bloat. Why add more.
>>44303915
>>44302758
You have tobring Dou-Bral to life.
Wake him upinside.
For playing an evil character in WotR should I stick to my original plan of going Cavalier/Low Templar or should I try out the Insinuator Antipaladin?
>>44303927
C'mon, anon, kill is a strong word.
I DISAPPROVE MIGHTILY, but I'll live.
>>44303915
>>44303915
Yeah but what else is a 12th level sorcerer going to spend 6 feats, 4 Fighter levels, and 2 races on? Nothing, that's what. That +1 AC is naked power creep.Also you forgot that it's a standard action that lasts 1 fucking round.
>>44303912
They'd still be good hips, they're just not on a good body.
So what I'm getting from this is that /pfg/ discussions on tits are civil, discussions of hips/ass are also civil but have a tinge of aggression to them, and any actual talk about pathfinder is just a shitshow.
>>44303862
Style feats remain on indefinitely until changed, though. Spar with one of the other warriors and adopt the stance right when you first wake up and you're good all day.
>>44304315
What did you expect? We are all of us heretics.
>>44304315
There's been a few civil discussions about preferred builds/archetypes. Like constable cavalier for grappling.
>>44304315
What's to get? Tits/hips/ass are great, pathfinder is shit
>>44303915
>have a natural weapon
>want to use style feat with it
>need feral combat training
>Prerequisite: Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus with selected natural weapon.
>need a feat that is practically useless to you
>need another feat that is practically useless in general
>only lets you QUALIFY for a style feat
All in all, that's 3 useless feats before you're even allowed to take another three feats to have a fighting style with YOUR BODY'S NATURAL FUCKING WEAPONS
