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>>43887600
Where is your character from, /pfg/?
HOT STEAMY QLIPPOTH LOVING
>>43901524
>Rise of the Runelords
He's from Andoran, but he's been traveling a while now.
>Hungry are the Dead
He's fromKintargo. Never liked the place, and he bailed out recently - the town was seriously going to the dogs if the higher-ups needed to call in somebody likeBazzy.That's when he got a call about two things: heretics hiding out somewhere in Andoran, and a bunch of undead in the same area.
IT'S CEPHALOPOD TIME
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post all your teifling pictures, especially if they have specefic bloodlinesand let's all be honest with ourselves
that half oni girl from Bloof of Fiends is a 10/10 waifu
>>43901563
>loving an ill-tempered CE necktentacle
Reminder the kineticist and everything third party are overpowered trash.
>>43901700
Mean thing to even joke about Tbh.
>>43901661
>>43901563
Where did this meme come from, by the way?
>>43901524
I've got about half a dozen expies and I love all of them to bits.MGR:R
>>43901524
My cavalier in Reign of Winter was from Taldor, but he died today. I actually had to mute my microphone because I didn't want the guys to hear me sob, because he was my favorite character I ever played. He's with Aroden now.
>>43901719
>not posting desu
>>43901736
She's verycute.
>>43901524
I've got three characters at the moment - one I'm running, two I want to play.
First is a half-orc druid from the hold of Belkzen. she has a pet gorthek and he's the cudliest murder machine in the world. the druid, meanwhile, plays the part of therapist for the rest of the group.
The first of the two I want to play is a psychic or psion from Brevoy (which of those two classes I choose depends on whether the GM allows 3pp or not) that wants to figure out why her magic is so different, since she's never met another psionicist.
And the third is a mech pilot goblin or blue. Can't really do that one, yet, though, because I need to wait for Ssalarn to update Arcforge into a usable state.
>>43901743
He might be in a better place now, jury's out on that.
What are you doing next?
>>43901743
Oh god, it was *that* Cavalier, was it?
>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?
Petrozavodsk, Russia.
He's a Russian gunslinger in Iron Gods.
>>43901774
What, the really sad one from six months ago or something?
>>43901740
Same guy just keeps posting it every thread, he's one of the QLIPPOTH DID NOTHING WRONG cabal.
>>43901774
Yes, it was that cavalier.
>>43901768
I don't know, I might have to mourn him before I make a new one. Was thinking an ulfen barbarian who wants to gain power and glory, then return home to become a linnorm king.
>>43901639
>Nonetheless, they are largely defeated in their war and scattered throughout the realm in small sects; an ongoing cascade of events following the death of their godworm, a titanic psychic being said to have dictated the fate of two worlds simultaneously for some time by extending its massive head through a portal. Its death in a huge mind flayer assault crippled the entire nautilan race permanently.
>LEAVING YOUR FUCKING GOD'S HEAD JUST STUCK IN A PORTAL, THEN BEING SURPRISED WHEN ITS HEAD GETS SEVERED
>>43901801
So wait, did somebody's RoW party drag him back with them to Golarion?
>>43901811
>What, the really sad one from six months ago or something?
Yeah, I distinctly remember there being a guy on here talking about his Cavalier in Reign of Winter, we used to give him crap about not wooing the awoo because he already had a wife back home.
>>43901750
She would be both angry and flattered that you think so. Mostly flattered; it's just that Kyria is *always* angry.
>>43901823
You're supposed to skip past my shitty fluff.
>>43901524
What are some ways to kill a Succubus in the early parts of the game?
I've got a character with a bit of sneak attack and some spellcasting (2nd level spells, arcane) and I'm looking at my options for actually stopping one and coming up with blanks.
>>43901825
More or less, he got shunted into a winter portal and found himself stuck in Golarion. He firmly believes he might find the answers to getting back to Earth in Numeria, and considering the powers of the Infinity Drive he might very well get a chance to.
Fun character.
>>43901524
Southern Brevoy, raised by a pair of mid-level adventurers who decided to stop risking their lives for coins and thrills to instead settle down and open a tavern. They're both still alive.
>>43901871
A magic dildo/strap-on with the Holy or Demon-Bane property.
>>43901848
>She would be both angry and flattered that you think so. Mostly flattered; it's just that Kyria is *always* angry.
How angry would she get if Iasked her out on a date?
>>43901816
>I don't know, I might have to mourn him before I make a new one. Was thinking an ulfen barbarian who wants to gain power and glory, then return home to become a linnorm king.
That's a bit basic, mate.
What book were you on?
>>43901829
Yeah, didn't woo the awoo because of wife back home and he worshipped Aroden because he never got the memo that he died. When he learned he still stuck to his belief. He was a cavalier because he can't be a godless paladin.
>>43901941
>He was a cavalier because he can't be a godless paladin.
You actually can, anon.
What happens in this particular instance would be two things, either he's getting his divine power from sheer strength of will, or Iomedae is surreptitiously slipping a devout worshiper of her former lord some god juice.
>>43901811
To be fair, the qlippoth really did nothing wrong.
They were most likely just going to hang around in the abyss and fuck around until the daemons got all herbert west on them.
Then they started doing wrong things.
>>43901934
We just stepped into the hut.
>>43901524
The Land of the Linnorm Kings, half-Ulfen and half-Kellid.
>>43901892
Speaking of this, anyone have some fun habits or mannerisms that would fit for a Russian conscript from early 20th Karelia?
>>43901860
But I thought the others were well-done.
>>43901661
Either a Hellborn from Brevoy/Andoran/Cheliax, or an Onispawn/Qlippothborn from Tian Xia.
>>43901976
Considering how they got along with the Proteans at first contact? I doubt that.
>>43902024
if she were Qlippothborn, she would look all kinds of messed up
>>43901983
>half-Ulfen and half-Kellid.
>Not making her a half-Ulfen and half-Tien, which are canonically the most beautiful mixed humans in Golarion
>>43902037
How do you know there's not tentacles underneath that dress, anon?
>>43902048
Eh, I liked barbarians more than asians for this character. What does an Ulfen/Tien even look like?
>>43901971
Not according to my GM. Sorry for replying in individual posts, phone posting is a bitch.
>>43901977
You could possibly play an Ulfen adventurer who wound up in Iobaria, but that still leaves the entire Hut adventure unavailable.
Maybe Ringeirr decides to join up and you could play him? He's Ulfen.
>>43901524
Is there a print-friendly version of SoP?
>>43902061
>What does an Ulfen/Tien even look like?
Supposedly they combine the best qualities of both parents, what this means is open to interpretation.
Probably means tall, pale-skinned, rich black hair and some shade of blue/green eyes.
In other words, Chelish.
If there were archetypes from the start do you think Barbarian would exist as its own class?
>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?
You guys already know about Elsbeth, so I'm gonna spam Lilly a little more as games develop. Lillianna is from the Karrnath city of Vulyar. She worked as a commando-for-hire to settle boarder skirmishes before she left home to go adventuring.
Looking for build advice - E6, level 1 start, Path of War allowed, no traditions, no playtest anything (so if you can't archetype or level 6 prestige a discipline, you can't have it). Would like to play an initiator. I don't want to ask "what would be most fun" but I guess I want to know if there's anything really interesting you can do in E6 aside from just build up maneuver libraries with feats. I don't think the setting has psionics or I'd probably just be a soulknife.
>>43901977
Baba Yaga was originally an ancient Scythian woman, right?
What if that's your character, a Scythian from way back when who was kept in the hut by Baba Yaga for reasons known only to her.
Hell, you have the full gamut of historical groups to pick from; French knight? Prussian line infantry? US Cavalry officer? Everything between 500 BC and 1917 AD is open.
>>43901563
qlippoth are not for sexual
>>43901524
>Where is your character from, /pfg/?
Long story.
But basically he was born on another plane/world (location classified, he doesn't know yet), except when he was a kid his mother, a relatively powerful wizardess, decided that she needed to hide him lest her enemies use him against her. Blood of a family line, shit like that.
So she took him to the World Serpent Inn, literally picked a door at random, and put him through it, leaving him to survive alone on the streets.
He has some rather crippling abandonment issues as a result. He also has a chip on his shoulder about wizards. No fucking sense of right or wrong at all, and abandoning your kid on an alien world with nothing but the clothes on his back is definitely wrong.
>>43902155
>using your tits as a table for your tea-saucer
Okay, that might be a little ridiculous.
>>43902174
>>43902115
I'll consider these although my GM is a bit strict on stuff like that. I don't have to be ulfen barbarian dude, I'm fine with anything if it's fun.
>>43901934
Nothing wrong with basic, anon. Sometimes you don't need all the "save the world" shit, you just want to tread the jeweled thrones of the world beneath your sandaled feet and then go home to be a linnorm king and fuck hot nordic women (and some hot asian women) all day long.
Nothing wrong with that at all.Land of the Linnorm Kings campaign never.
>there is no race-cleansing daemon harbringer
a missed opportunity
They had enough balls to make a child molester one so it's not that they wanted to avoid backlash
>>43902130
You. I like you.
>>43902150
You mean would it be a Fighter archetype?
They don't have much in common besides being commonly played as melee classes. Their skill lists, skill points, hit points, proficiencies, and loads of class features are different, and were even before rage powers were a thing. It's true that they both get played a lot as simple "I bonk him with my sword" combat, but there is more to them (or at least the Barbarian) than that and they don't do it exactly the same way.
>>43902130
>>43902259
>Land of the Linnorm Kings campaign never.
If it's any consolation, I've got the premise and character creation rules from the one I was in.
>>43902037
>>43902061
>her eyes ate fake
>her horns are her actual eyes, like a snail
Let's be honest here, /pfg/, what's the cutest character you've ever played, or have played with?
>>43901916
Depends on the date. And how you ask, of course. Kyria's been a casual girl for a long while; constantly traveling does that to a person. But she certainly wouldn't get any /more/ angry.
To give you an idea here, this is a person who cuddles kittens while swearing in a cutsey voice and calling them names. Pile of purr, swearing tiefling. Her anger problems have anger problems.
>>43902235
Is it really though?Yes. Yes it is.
Only time detail like this ever comes up is in her artwork though unless absolutely necessary, which fortunately has been never thus far and counting. Going to detail over the table/roll20 would be weird.
>>43902461
Underaged elf boy that tried to pick up adult women at taverns.
>>43902476I really should write down my posts in a separate document and proofread them before posting.
>>43902461
Alienist Wizard who enjoyed licking people and scaring them.
>>43902235
It's a free shelf, what's not to like?
>>43902466
>Her anger problems have anger problems.
>Compulsive swearing and name-calling
That sounds like something a bit more serious than anger problems, Gareth.
>>43902461
Preteen Taldan noble boy chosen by Ragathiel to be a real hero. (Paladin/Oracle with the Child 3PP curse.) His player did a really good job at playing a young character and making him cute rather than obnoxious.
>>43902476
Is there a collection somewhere of all your stuff
>>43902524
>underaged elf
Underaged by elf standards or human standards?
>>43902554
You know how some demons are just these near-mindless hate engines that wreck everything they come across?
Kyria feels like that /all the time/. It is the background emotion with which she lives her life. There's a reason her name is on a power that blows all of your blood out of your pores and turns it into a sticky mist, and it's not because she's overwhelmed with feelings of peace and serenity. She makes the best life she can and deals with her heritage in a way that lets her /have/ a life instead of, for instance, burning out young and exploding to death all over innocent people. Finding religion helped with that a bit; Lady Bast keeps her busy.
>>43902461
Halfling Mysterious Stranger who served as the voice of common sense for the party - who otherwise consisted of a scholarly Wizard who missed the forest for the trees, a mentally-unhinged Alchemist with little social skill, an overzealous and affectionate Cleric, and a Summoner with inscrutiable motivations.
>reptilians are now a PC race
>I can finally be The Man who Sold The Worl
>>43902717
Does he play afiddle?
>>43902326
I don't know why everyone thinks they won't do a Land of the Linnorm Kings, about the first Linnorm Queer Queen, where it's discovered that Linnorms are actually humans who have become too obese and too oppressed and developed glorious new bodies so they could be free of dietary standards and having to pay for housing. It will center on the PCs, with Iomedae's help and loving guidance, finally ending the cruel tradition of killing these magnificent beasts by interbreeding the community with attractive and misunderstood black orc males.
>>43902744
With that plus to disguise, he can certainly play someone like one.
>>43902751
>Iomedae
>not Milani
step it up, senpai
>>43902691
>Finding religion helped with that a bit; Lady Bast keeps her busy.
You know what would help even more?A boyfriend.
>>43902658
He was supposed to be a teenaged trainee but DM and I thought it seemed weird for a 70 year old to still be treated as a kid so we just said playable races have humanesque lifecycles instead. It was a relaxed campaign.
Regardless of their class, your current PC gets to pick any improve familiar as hos own. Which do they pick?
Unless yourPC already has a familiar, in which case tell us about them.P
>>43902656http://dorian-bc.tumblr.com/
This isn't my art-only blog, but you'll find all my old crap on there when I started on that cesspool if a site.
Can someone give me a quick summary rundown of how SoP spellcasting and character advancement works?
>>43902801Someone in her adventuring party is having similar thoughts, anon.
>>43902826Is it a cute fangirl?
>>43902799
No, they'd definitely use the wrong goddess.
>>43902826Is he the Yang to her Yin?
All this Qlippoth posting gave me a hankering for a conjuration-focused PC with a tendency for summoning things much larger, smarter, and far more evil than herself. I just got the OK that my friend is gonna start running us a 1 to 20 campaign in a couple weeks.
Any ideas on how to build such a character? Summoner, Wizard, or Sorcerer? 3PP allowed, up to 3 Flaws allowed.
I saw the Malconvoker mentioned on a few threads back, is it worth it if I have to eat the class 1 level at a time?
>>43902810
Quasits. They can turn into boars, which means they can fuck you
>>43902858
Yes, if you can play a Malconvoker in Pathfinder, that is exactly what you want. If not just go Summoner and write fanfic about your summon raping you sometimes and then forcing you to pretend nothing's wrong in front of the party, just like your dad used to do before your slumber parties, but you had them anyway because you were so good at pretending that it was almost like being happy, slumber party every weekend, until that rumor you were gay because you wouldn't make out with boys made you a social pariah and that's when you learned to summon demons.
"But how can an eidolon overpower its summoner," you might ask. Well, it can't.
You just get so lonely. And it's the only way you know.
>>43902858
Summoner could be good, as ling as it's not unchained since there are no qlippoth eidolons, and there is an archetype or whatever that let's you summon an outsider type of your choice easier, qlippoth included.
>>43902909
Dude...
/pfg/ I like playing monstrous characters, aberrant aegis, the fallen (thunderscape 3pp), synthesist in some cases, etc.
What are some other good 3rd or first party shit that lets me play monstrous characters?
>>43902909
Dayum anon.
>>43902947
Tieflings from blood of fiends can let you get away with some shit.
>>43902909
What the fuck are you doing, why would you write that?
How do you stop a Succubi at low levels?
>>43902909
As unexpected that was, it's certainly a genuinely tragic character.
Certainly better then anything Paizo has made.
You should try writing.
>>43902819
Bump?
>>43902983
Pray that she only wants a "ménage à deux" and delta split.
>>43902909
Anon, is there something you're trying to tell us?
>>43902983
Still sticking with my idea of a magic dildo or strap-on. If you can't spare the coin to have it made Holy and/or Demon-Bane, then at least anoint it with holy water for lube. If your character is open to some morally-dubious means, you can also have the toy have been the gem used for a Trap the Soul spell, so that you can catch the succubus by surprise when she thinks she's sucked out your soul and killed you but it was actually some other poor schmuck's soul.
>>43903122
Anon, if he can't afford a holy dildo, how is he affording the gem or the spell?
>>43902983
>>43903038
Why is there a monster devoted to sexual assault in this game anyway, I thought it was supposed to be lighthearted fantasy.
>>43903212
The pink dolphin fae is the rap monster
>>43903212
Because men can't be raped.
>>43902909
Anon, do you want to talk?
>>43903240
>not Folca
>>43902983
Hope ya grapple checks are high.
>>43903212
IT's not just sexual assault anon-kun. The Succubus is first and foremost a tempter that relies solely on the evils inside of men's heart and then to draw them out. Inch by inch.
>>43902826Is it the big guy?
>>43902819
Okay, you got a Caster level, which progresses when you take levels in Caster classes like BAB would. Different classes give you talents at different levels, yadda yadda, basically like Magus arcana ornother similar mechanic. Spell pool is based upon Casting modifier and total level in all Casting classes, though some classes give bonus spell points
Anything else?
>>43903212
Don't forget dryads!
>>43903211
Those are separate suggestions, obviously. The later one is for if he does have the cash. Honestly though, I guess it's a little moot since now that I think about it, if he can access Trap the Soul he's probably powerful enough to just fight the succubus straight up and send her back to Hell with a black eye from slapping her around with his cock,or the strap-on if the PC in question isn't packing.
>>43903266
He's not statted, the encantado thing or whatever is.
I'd just like to say that I'd like these threads a lot more if they weren't half people talking about their dumb PC waifus.
>>43903322
Don't you mean nymphs?
>>43903303
Can all classes access any sphere?
>>43903372
Qlippoth can't be PCs, anon.I wish I had something better to do then shitpost
>>43903372
Anon, people don't really care whether or not you like it. I do agree with you, but I don't expect people to care about my opinions. Just try and ignore them.
>>43903398
Yes, although some classes are better at some spheres than others. The Elementalist, for instance, is only a Mid Caster (equivalent to a 2/3rds caster), but becomes a full caster when dealing with the Destruction sphere.
>>43903453
What about the Sphere Archetypes? Do they offer much different from the main sphere classes?
Also, would a mageknight be significantly different than a spherecasting magus?
(Additional Spherecasting Archetypes
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?392982-Spheres-of-Power-All-Class-Conversions)
>>43903326
So how do you deal with an Incubus at low levels, then? Assuming you're not just a bard that can talk him into taking the secretly-enchanted dildo in the butt. Wait, do outsiders even have a butt to take it in? I mean, they don't eat, right?
>>43903372
Let's talk about BBEGs then, that's a topic that I don't think we've hit in a while.
>>43903506
Incubi and succubi are separate things in PF, anon. They're both shapeshifting sex demons who can adopt either sex, but succubi tempt/betray while incubi just murder/rape. They're also lower-CR and less capable of mindfucking a party. Which one are you dealing with?
>>43903506
>mfw I will never get to use my planned BBEG for a Dimension of Dreams campaign
>>43903553
What is it?
>>43903539
I'm not the anon that was asking about dealing with succubi, I just asked about Incubi because it seemed like something else to consider. I don't think I've ever actually had to deal with either in a campaign.
Anyway, I wasn't aware that either kind of demon could change sex.
>>43903502
The archetypes that DDS has released range from amazing (Dragonblooded Mortal and Triple Goddess are both known for being arguably better than the single tradition that they each replace, and stacking them both is surprisingly-viable for a Hedgewitch to do) to equal (the Geomancer trades out Destruction for Nature wholesale and is a worthwhile thing to do) to bad (Warlock pretty much cripples the one that Incanters have as their unique ability by taking away 1/3 of their talents).
>>43903502
The Mageknight is a bit closer to a paladin than a magus in practice, I've found. They have sphere casting, but a fairly limited pool of spell points and several in-class abilities that spend the spell points as well to be straight up better at fighting. (Spend a spell point to take an extra move as a swift action, gain your level as an attack bonus when charging, that sort of thing.) Sphere Magus is better at integrating spherecasting and fighting, but Mageknight is better at being a straight martial, with one or two neat magical tricks on the side.
>>43903609
Not explicitly, but they both have at-will alter self and they can pick any Small or Medium humanoid form, with no limits on sex.
>>43903506
I'm not sure I could talk about my BBEG in here, since people I know frequent the thread.It's not like there's any one specific one. It's more of a thirty-truck pileup of bad circumstances behind the scenes right now.
What's an interesting gestalt martial combo? Any content is allowed, preferably either 2h str or dex. Weapon Finesse is houseruled to allow dex x1.5 on 2hing.
>>43903502
Mageknight is High BAB and Low Casting, while a Magus is Mid BAB/Casting. While they can access the same Spheres, they are functionally different, as the Mageknight is essentially a martial who supplements his fighting with minor Magic and his class abilities, like built in rage or growth and works best with low investment Spheres, like Time, Warp, or War, or utility Spheres like Divination since you already have the damage going strong. Magus would be mixing Combat and Magic equally, and does well with many different types of spheres but won't be hitting as often as the Mageknight
Personally, i prefer the Armorist. Gate of Babylon all day erry day
>>43903687
Any content-1pp? Any content-1pp+3pp?Any content-1pp+3pp+3.5? I have endless suggestions for the last one.
>>43903506
I kinda want to make a game where the BBEG is some sort of super-hammy special moves all over the place warblade-y type fighter with his own cheering section and stuff, mostly because I think it'd be hilarious to run.
I can't think of a way I could actually do it well, though.
>>43903572
>once upon a time, there was someone - we don't know who - who stumbled across a high-tier artifact circlet
>not only did it make them a lucid dreamer, but allowed them to shape and rule their own sub-sub-realm within the Dimension of Dreams
>small at first, but could grow larger if more people dreamed of it
>by the time party comes along, the realm's starting to draw in entire small towns of people, who spend each night trapped in that dream
>they report being exhausted during the day and being so happy during the dream it's hard to will themselves to wake up
>the sub-realm is actually, genuinely a happy place, and everyone is happy with their place in it - but men cannot live by dreams alone, so party has to go into the Dimension of Dreams and fix this mess
>eventually, party would find out thatthe "Dream Sovereign" has been dead for anywhere from a century to a couple of thousand years (wasn't quite sure how long to make the timescale on this one), and the means to freeing everyone is to find their grave and destroy the circlet still attached to their head
>in that way,the souls trapped there even after dying in their sleep can move on, and the living dreamers trapped there can get back to their lives
>>43903724
Take cues from 4e solo design (one of the things they did very well) and give him extra actions, including off-turn actions.
>>43903724
>warblade-y type
Path of War content. Especially the beta stuff like Harbinger. After that, mix in what you will.
>>43903711
Any content. 3pp, PF, 3.5. As long as it isn't somehow bullshit broken or turning encounters into a foregone conclusion, it's likely game.
>>43903624
Sorry, I was referring to the archetypes that turn regular castes into spherecasters.
Where are these other archetypes found?
>>43903706
I will include both then.
Now, Spheres Druid/Wizard/Oracle/Hunter/Inquisitor/WarPriest.
They bring anything of value to the table, or too much overlap with existing spheres classes?
I'm looking to do sphere magic is only magic (more out of wanting to ditch vancian and try something new than out of familiarity with spheres), and trying to determine which Paizo Classes are still worth including.
>>43903729
Oh, neat, the Diadem of Nod.
>>43903724
>>43903736
Yeah, lair actions and legendary actions are pretty great. You might also want to consider mythic templates or monster abilities. They're horrible for PCs, but non-PC stuff like the agile template or the mythic ogre's iron resilience is actually good for a boss.
>>43903687
Soulknife/Stalker is a good time. Lots of teleporting and fun stuff. You can go WIS SAD Psychic Armory, but two-handed soulknives are juuust fine. Also they can still be WIS SAD.
Ravenlord Harbinger is nice to mix with things too.
>>43903502
>be me
>working on Sphere PrCs
>some mofo already did it
Dammit all to Gehenna!
>>43903779
>Diadem of Nod
I had no idea this was actually a thing. Now I gotta google it.
>>43903779
I meant more thematically, in that it'd ruin the mood of a srs game and a silly game doesn't really need a BBEG.
>>43903777
Those archetypes that you linked are pretty much redundant; there is a Spheres of Power Expanded Options release that includes all the other spellcasters from Paizo as Spherecasting classes, as well as new archetypes for each of the normal Spherecasters.
>>43903787
>>43903706
Ranged stuff would also be possible.
>>43903744
Warder/Psion/Awakened Blades are the best BBEGs because they're so effective at dealing with being outnumbered. Lots of defensive tricks, including the ability to competently defend their minions.
>>43903372
I could talk about how my favorite character I ever played died, if you'd like.
>>43903801
Here you go, if Googling didn't already work.
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicArtifactsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Diadem%20of%20Nod
>>43903890
It's beautiful, anon. Thanks!
Now to hope our group's Wizard (as in, he /always/ plays a Wizard) doesn't decide to spec into detecting stuff rather than battlefield control.
>>43903864
Shoot.
>>43903928
Yeah. Although to be fair it's not nearly as elaborate as your idea. You could just have it be a dead magic plane or otherwise have some custom quality to keep shit hidden. It's an artifact and it does explicitly say the user picks what the dimension is like.
>About to start a new campaign
>We give in our sheets to DM, so he can check the final products
>"Some very nice concepts. I see you even gave a name to your company, huh? Cool."
>We get some premade character handouts
>Wtf?.gif
>"Sadly, the Lunatica Owls story is not yours aswell."
>"You climb the stairs in a hurry. You are sure that the kidnapper is hiding on top of the tower. As you approach the door at the end of the stairs, the door calmly opens, and the Owls come out with the Major's mother. Another case stolen."
>We're probably gonna spend this campaign sabotaging the organization we "made", so that we can get to be heroes, trying to stay non-evil in the meantime
I'm not sure how i feel about this beginning.
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>>43903798
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9es0?Spheres-of-Power-Expanded-Options
It doesn't mention Ultimate Magic. Does it have Magus?
Also, the link converts PRCs as well.
>>43903994
That really depends on how well you know and trust the DM.
>>43904000
Meant to also tag >>43903814
>>43903994
I'd leave.
>>43903756
>Duskblade 3/[3.5] Cloistered Cleric 1 (Knowledge Devotion, two domain powers from 3.5 where they were good for dips)/Something with skill points 1/Chameleon 10/anything 5 // A martial of your choice (I vote PoW Warder, focusing on counters).
Use Chameleon to get a divine or arcane list filled to the brim with debuff spells and channel them through Spell Channeling. Use Warder's tankiness for general cool stuff, and grab tons of counters and boosts for mobility.
>Something (fighter for feats is actually non-terrible here) 4/Dragonmark Heir 5/free space 11 // Martial of choice 20 (I like PoW Warlord, for Charisma synergy, or PoW Mystic, for not causing a hideous Swift action bottleneck)
Ideally a PoW martial, or a Magus, or something, that can go without a lot of feat use. Dragonmarked Heir wants you to get a bunch of extra feats, including Quicken Dragonmark three times (once for each tier of mark). This makes your dragonmark SLAs swift actions... All of them. Stuff like minor creation/major creation/fabricate if going the Mark of Making, or awesome shit like Control Winds to summon up a tornado around you as a swift action, then kick someone into it.
Ranger 4/Something that gives a bonus feat 1/Stalker of Kharash 2/Ranger 11 more/anything else 2 // Martial chassis of choice, potentially grabbing PrCs. I like magus here because I'm always a slut for gishes.
Stalker of Kharash has an interesting thing called Favored Enemy (Evil). It's a +1 favored enemy bonus that procs on anything evil-aligned. Level 2 in the class gives you the scent ability for detecting evil things (and by RAW lets you track by it as normal, invalidating their later abilities). At Ranger 5, you can up your FE bonus against evil things by +2.
For your first enemy, go to Complete Mage from 3.5 for Favored Enemy (Arcanists). Favored enemy bonuses against arcane casters. Then, grab the Nemesis feat from the Book of Exalted Deeds, once for that, and once for FE: Evil.
>>43904000
It includes every magic-using base class released by Paizo outside of the core book, with the exception of the Occult classes and, strangely enough, the Alchemist and Investigator.
>>43904000
>Does it have Magus?
Yes. Also stop wasting all the trips you greedy hog!
Also that one anon was complaining about how the link had the PrC, which rendered his previous work pointless.
>>43902172
Nothing, huh? That was kind of my suspicion too. I feel like Path of War sounds good on paper but you just can't wrangle something cool out of it without long, complicated build chains or copious buckets of Expanded material. I think I might just go for a summoner and fluff my eidolon as being good at swording.
I'm about to grab my second stance as a Gunsmoke Mystic, what would guys recommend I pick? The one I already have is Elemental Nimbus.
>>43901524
My character is from a place called 'Wadale', but was exiled and doesn't plan on going back.
>>43904049
>complaining about how the link had the PrC, which rendered his previous work pointless
Definitely worth googling to see whats already been done before taking on a new project.
>>43902172
>E6
What does this mean?
>>43904028
>>43904014
I gotta add, the characters we're now playing aren't copypasted from "Amiri liv.5.pdf", there is some thought behind and the whole grop has inside mechanics to work well toghether.
>>43904053
Don't take a lack of answers as there being none. Some people just don't feel like responding to you, especially since your request for a "fun" build is super vague as it does not tell us any of your intentions on how to obtain said fun or you character ideas or plans.
Which outside e faction would you want to join?
>>43904067
Variant rule system where max level is 6, after which point you gain new feats but nothing else.
For people who like d20 but are all about low level games. E8 is more common in Pathfinder.
>>43904077
Yeah, probably just drop that fucking game or find a different GM from within or without the group.
>>43904065
Upset fuy here. I just looked at the new rules for PrCs. They are only minimal and have very little effort, so I think my efforts will be just fine.
>>43904107
They seem pretty clearly meant as minimalist conversions for an all-spheres campaign.
>>43904077
It still sounds like a situation where you would say no to your DM. Is he trying to teach you a lesson? He sounds like an ass.
>>43904095
Earth Elementals. Maybe even work my way up to deposing Aryzul and becoming the new Elemental Lord of Earth, since Sairazul is dead and the plane needs a hero.
More likely to get summoned and bound by some dumb mage, though.
>>43904135
>Sairazul is dead
>being this new
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Moaning_Diamond
Sairazul is alive, just imprisoned.
>>43904101
I've never heard of this rule. maybe because my low level games always die out around this time.
>>43902172
Be a Steelfist Commando Warlord, punching people really hard is always fun. Also Broken Blade is OP at the moment.
>>43902172
Vanara Aurora Soul Mystic with either Broken Blade or Thrashing Dragon.
Go OG Dragonball.
>>43904176
I'm not a big fan, but then I like games that run 4-16, and think the "sweet spot" is around L12.
If you had to play as one of the freakier tieflings, maybe even a qlippoth tiefling, how would you make them look?
>>43904035
The idea is to keep things as martial as they can while not being total ass. A bit of casting is okay, but generally trying to avoid it.
One of the ideas I had was to maybe fuck with an Archivist5>Runecaster10>Archivist5//Warder or Harbringer 20
>>43904198
Why do you keep asking this?
>>43903944
In Reign of Winter my cavalier was adjacent to our inquisitor while fighting a dawn piper. Well. He crit failed and we rolled on a table. His attack would hit an adjacent ally. The damage was just enough to kill me.
>>43904238
>using critical failures
You deserve every bit of suffering that shit brings you.
>>43904227
I've only asked this question once.
>Men just murder/rape
>Men lower CR
Thanks pazio.
>>43904254
Bullshit, you keep shitting up every thread with your qlippoth faggotry. Shut up and fuck off, ESPECIALLY after all those posts about how they hit your weird magical realms.
>>43904238
Did you guys get to pick which ally got hit, or did you roll for that too? Because the Inquisitor is his own ally as well.
>>43904271
>>43903539
I don't know why this didn't link.
>>43904224
Ah. Fair.
>Goliath Barbarian (spirit lion totem for pounce) 1/LA 1/dips for abilities and feats 3/War Hulk 10/other 5 // PoW Martial 20.
Because in PF, if you don't have the prerequisites for a PrC, you lose the abilities, you can abuse Mountain Rage (which makes you Large temporarily) to get into War Hulk... And have its class features, including the shitty No Time to Think ability, turn off when you're not raging. Go Int-based, and pull a Hulk thing, going from an intelligent and capable combatant to a terrifying, brutal, and stupid monstrosity with the flip of a switch.
>>43904271
What do kobolds have to do with this? Is that what you think an incubus looks like?
>>43904279
I was planning on making a tiefling character sometime soon, chill.
If anything, he's probably going to be a half daemon anyway.
>>43904281
He's not adjacent to himself.
>>43904198
Chitin growth, mandables in the mouth, one eye normal while the other is compound, unsettling smell, almost permanently greasy looking hair, maybe some hunches or numerous growths, perhaps a vesitgial tail, lumpish and uneven head, sunken nose, a third ear, stigmata, small tentacles in the mouth/nose/other orifice, a vestigial third nipple, only one nut, a backwards finger, two right hands, a missing thumb, permanently anorexic despite eating food, prone to being phlegmatic.
All of these are good examples. Mix and match how you please
>>43904303
Would you prefer the actual incubus art?
I don't know about you anon, but this doesn't do anything for me. At least the kobold is cute.
>>43904271I really fucking hate to defend Paizo on this, seriously what the fuck I feel dirty, butit's not actually a Paizo thing here. It's a traditional mythology thing (incubi were rapedemon scapegoats for unwanted pregnancy), a D&D thing (incubi represented "aggressive and violent" sexuality while succubi represented "deceptive and dangerous" sexuality; both of them were all about rape, but the incubi were a bit less restrained about it).
>>43904244
Makes things a bit more risky, and I'm perfectly fine with a character dying. Suppose I should have healed first, but it already happened.
>>43904326
Thanks anon.
>>43904358
But this is the decade of gender progression, anon. Women don't have -4 strength anymore. Where are my violent rapist succubii and seducer incubii?
>>43901661
Sorta like this?
>>43904329
holy shit it looks like danzig
>>43904424
I was thinking something else.
Maybe incubii are the WWE of the abyss.
>>43901524
How would you stat Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower?
>>43904329
You're right actually, I forgot that Paizo doesn't seem to understand what attractive men look like. But on the other hand, incubi can use their alter self ability to look like whatever you (or more likely they) want to, whether it's that or a kobold or the iconic cleric or whatever other kind of humanoid you want. But on the other other hand, if they're just rapist-murderers, I don't see why they'd bother. Unless, maybe,if you redeemed one, but Paizo would never explore an option like that.
>>43904413
Well, there are male succubi. And presumably, there are female incubi. They can shapeshift after all, and gender's gonna be weird as fuck for them.Look at it this way; it's "aggressive, mindless rape is less dangerous than deceptive, intelligent rape."
Both rape all over the place. The species divide could be seen as one being a bit more scary than the other. I personally am more afraid of date-rapists with roofies than I am of the idea of some guy with a knife in an alley. One comes out of nowhere, while the other can be run away from.
>>43904049
>>43904037
Just so I can get an idea of how they would normally fill party roles, say you're not using the archetypes and you're just doing a baseline Spheres of Power magic game:
Using just SoP content, how would you fill the typical roles of:
>Buffcasting Bard.
>Healing Cleric.
>Army of Undead Necromancer.
>Demon Summoner/Summoner Wizard.
?
>>43904432
>I have summoned forth an Incubus of incredible power!
>he's torn apart dragons with his bare hands, and now brave adventures, you will face him!
>He is unstoppable!
>He is unbeatable!
>AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA,
>>43904455
>male succubi. And presumably, there are female incubi.
Got a source on that?
>>43904413
I had a trickster incubus in the game I run. He only went back to his 'rape and pillage' mode when he got shot by a PC who kept calling him a 'Mancubus',Which is whole different thing.
>>43904490
>what is at-will alter self
You didn't even read the reply chain you quoted?
>>43904077
>DM tries something interesting
>Players always want to bail
This is why forever DMs get mad. You trust them to not fudge rolls or monster stats or just add extra rooms to dungeons at random to fuck players over, but you don't trust them to actually make an engaging story or gameplay experience.
>>43904459
>Buffcasting Bard.
>buffcadtong bard
Hedgewitch with the Charlatan tradition and the War and Protection Spheres. Maybe Time or Illusion. Alteration can be good though
>healing Cleric
Incanter with Healing Sphere and Channel
>Necromancer
Thaumaturge with Death Sphere
>Summoner wizard
Mass Summon Monster is no longer a thing. Conjuration Sphere on Thaumaturge, Incanter, or Fey Adept can choose Conjuration Sphere, which is essentially Eidolans, choose multiple companion and alignment companion and build your fiendish Pokemon team. Also if your DM allows advanced talents, take the binding chain to be able to conjure actual Fiends, at a bit of a risk, like a traditional folklore wizard/witch
>>43904459
>Symbiat, war sphere I guess?
>Soulweaver with Life sphere
>Incanter/Soulweaver with Death Sphere
>Incanter/Soulweaver/Thaumaturge with Conjuration
I'm not even that familiar with the system.
Note that Undead created with the Death Sphere are temporary unless you use the Permanent Undead Advanced Talent, and that Conjuration works more like a Summoner's Eidolon than the Summon Monster spells.
>>43904540
>>buffcadtong bard
That was an accident from typing on phone. Ignore it.
>>43904512
A female succubus using alter self to pretend she's a guy is still a female succubus. There are literally no male sex demons that aren't about pillage and raping and winning the WWF abyss championship.
>>43904436
Sometimes I think Paizo has trouble remembering what attractive women look like, too.
I'm looking at you, Muse.
>>43904549
Next Bard character I make will be named "Buff Cadtong" just for you.
>>43904559
>transmutation spells
>pretend
Whatever makes you think you're not gay for being buttfucked by a succubus. Also, got sources for succubi always being female?
>>43904490
My bad, it's late. I'm talking about D&D fluff more than PF fluff. No idea about Paizo's writingalthough I expect it would be answered "yes" if asked about the right way on the forums,but in D&D, yeah, there are.
Amusingly, one's already been linked: >>43904413
This guy right here is the male succubus/incubus in the 5e monster manual. In D&D, "incubus" is used in two ways; one as a colloqual term for a male succubus (in both 3.5 books and 5e books), and one as a name for a separate species, devoted to aggressive rape instead of deceptive rape. 4e rewrote the cosmology and had incubi as demons who do a lot of both, but are also incredibly varied shapeshifters for whom gender would be a lot weirder than it would be for humans.
>>43904532
I have to admit that I do agree with you on this one- not that I'm trying to say pulling stuff like that is risky because there are a lot of DMs I wouldn't trust with pulling it off well, just like I wouldn't trust them not to fudge rolls or monsters stats. But there are definitely some interesting ideas to work with if you're willing to pull a fast one on your players. I guess it's about whether or not you can manage to do it tastefully and whether your players are mature enough to roll with it in turn.
>>43904580
I try to forget that one exists. I had done it too, so fuck you for reminding me.
>>43904609
It's inherent in the word. A 'male' succubus would just be called an incubus.
>>43904609
The Merriam-Webster definition of a succubus is "a demon assuming female form", so yeah.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/succubus
>>43904609
>Also, got sources for succubi always being female?
Pazio bestiary refers to succubi as 'she', while other demons are refered to as 'its' or by name 'A Shadow demon'. Also their entry blurb refers to them as a woman.
>>43904671
>gender specific entities?
>in my Pathfinder?
Some Succubuses have penises, get over it.
>>43904671
Good thing there's a lot of fluff for demons in specific settings so that doesn't really apply, eh? Same reason that a magus isn't one of these guys: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magus
>>43904224
How does this sound to you?
>Skinwalker Barbarian (Spirit Lion Totem) 1/Fighter (Dungeoncrasher) 1-6/Warshaper 1-4/Fist of the Forest 1-3/Weretouched Master (pre-errata) 1-5/((1 more level of whatever)) // Warlord (Steelfist Commando) OR Warder 1-20
The above build grants you a large amount of power while still remaining pretty controlled. You can pounce, you can deal a ton of damage by bull-rushing someone into things, you gain a bunch of natural attacks whenever you're shifted, your unarmed attacks deal good damage, you get your Constitution to AC, and you have Maneuvers, specifically the very potent combination of Broken Blade + Primal Fury.
Plus, just think of the fluff and characterization: a huge wrestler that can turn into an actual bear (or whatever) and crush the hell out of everyone. Go with a Coldborn, Ragebred, Scaleheart, Fanglord, or Witchwolf for the best results.
>>43904532
>>43904627
Speaking as a foreverDM, there is a world of difference between "engaging story" and "I'm going to take away the characters that the players wanted to play." That's not even an issue of trust, that's an issue of being respectful to your players. The players have just as much a stake in the story as we do; they aren't supposed to be an audience for our personal stories.
>>43902155
Hot.
>>43902235
My fiancee does this regularly.
>>43904627
Of course its risky, i totally agree that it can go wrong and often will. But players will almost always make the risk assessment that it will be shit even if there is a good DM, which is totally unreasonable.
Honestly, maybe people always think they have shit DMs because they never try what the DM wants to do, but rather force the DM to lower themselves down to "generic fantasy sandbox no rails plz". Let DMs play to their strengths and explore their ideas.
>>43904707
Make sure you figure out some houserules to make Warshaper non-stupid, though. Just to get ground rules, because Morphic Weapons is... very open-ended.
>>43904622
Someone who has an account on the forum should bring this up.
>>43904739
What, did someone at your table go with the classic "Changelings are always in a different form, so I always have a thousand tentacles" trick?
>>43904708
I absolutely agree that both players and DM have to respect each other. Nothing about flipping the PC's designed characters to be villains is a violation of that respect, but rather shows the DM believes the players will make excellent characters worthy of being the villains of a story. The DM in this case is just as limited by what the players made as the players are by what the DM made.
>>43904740
I actually agree, because it'd be something neat and not stupid. "Sure, succubi and shapeshifting races that are traditionally all of one sex have gender identities that can vary as well. It's a lot easier for them to deal with it." isn't even SJW stuff. It's just something that makes sense.
>>43904749
Springing that shit on the players without telling them is absolutely disrespectful, though.
>>43904708
Well, I'm not condoning that particular example so much as I'm speaking in a more general since. Something more along the lines of the kind of stuff that comes to my mind would be pulling a genre twist (turns out this game's going to be a murder mystery!) or working with one player for their PC to secretly be the BBEG who has been traveling with the party all along.
I guess what I mean is that when it's important to preserve a mystery so that it remains just as surprising out of character as it will be played to be in character, keeping such a mystery and surprising the players with it can be acceptable (assuming it's done in a tasteful way).
>>43904743
Technically you can only have one weapon of a given type morphed at a time; otherwise it just grows in size. It's just something that bothers me, and I'd rather suggest houserules about it.
The last time I played a warshaper, I worked with my DM to get some reasonable limits, and then I built a ranged character who morphed Anaxim spikes (2d6 base damage, 120ft range increment natural weapons), Nimblewright rapier-hands (also 2d6, can be retracted or extended as a free action), and Adamantine Horror buzzsaws (2d10 base damage).
It was a fun character; was a changeling fluffed as an android made of shadowstuff, so I pretended to be a T1000 more often than not.Fun fact! A changeling with the right feats, setting details, and Flaws in play can take the Adamantine Body feat, which, thanks to them not having composite plating, increases their armor bonus to +8 regardless of what they're wearing whenever they decide to turn it on with the Racial Emulation feat.
>>43904790
Yeah, that's a lot different than 'hey those characters you put a lot of work and thought into? Not only do you not get to play them, but they'll be working against you at every turn. Here, take your new character sheets'.
>>43904727
I don't believe you, but asking for proof is a bit creepy so I'll just consider you a liar.
>>43904698
>>43904701
The point is that the word itself stems from a mythology of demons in the form of a female. That is as concrete as it gets.
You fucks can't ask for a glass of water and then pour it out because it's 'not the right kind of water'.
>>43904821
Okay. However, I would argue that the origin of the word is just something that informs us of the themes and inspiration. In the D&D/PF settings, succubi are beings with minds, and often genders. They might all be genderfluid, I dunno. With shapeshifters who are literal incarnations of sex, it's hard to tell. I would imagine that many just pick a form they're comfortable with and stick with it when they're not out rapemurdering.
>>43904749
It's a huge violation of respect. It is, in no uncertain terms, saying "No, you don't get to play the characters you wanted to play this game. You get to play the characters I decided you were going to play." A PC is a player's only way of interacting with the world, and to suddenly pull that carpet out from under your players is a dick move, no matter how poetically you try to deny it.
>>43904790
Changing genres is a little bit better, and I can see where you're coming from on maintaining an air of mystery. I had a player once who wanted to play a cleric, but when he found out that the campaign would be set in a theocracy dedicated to Pelor, in a campaign based around the Burning Hate theory, he decided to immediately ditch the party after the first session and roll a druid instead. Meanwhile, however, another player went forward with a paladin, and had a full character arc about his character's crisis of faith in the revelation that his god was deceiving his followers. I think it swings both ways, and that it's too much risk for too little reward.
>>43904847
>shapeshifters
Alter self is hardly a qualifier for shapeshifting. Not to mention, there's a lot of assumptions in your post alone that a) irritate me and b) have little bearing on the fact that succubi in the bestiary are referred to universally as female, and that the name they take and the mythos they are based on refer to universally female creatures. That target men.
It's the same reason that the origin of incubi are demons that take male forms to fuck women. There's been no crossed wires before, and adding them now is as autistic as it gets for the sake of what? Qualifying them as sentient creatures? It's a fucking fantasypuns galoreso either write it the way you want and accept that your views are not the common views, or accept that applying your shit-logic-based assumptions to a fictional set of creatures is well above baseline retarded.
>>43904790
>since
BRB, commiting seppuku
>>43904811
Yeah, I feel a good chunk of the problem there is not just in a player losing the character they made (who they likely could have been super-excited to play) but also in forcing the players to use PCs they might not have any interest in. In fact, I'm not sure which of the two I consider the worse offense. Saddling your players with a bunch of pre-generated PCs is pretty unfair, not to mention probably bad for the RP since they likely won't have as much a grasp of the personality of their new PC.
>>43904866
Actually, although it never came to fruition because the game didn't last more than a couple sessions, I almost played the "secretly a villain" card with one of my charactersalthough it was actually in Eclipse Phase, not Pathfinder. It was an AI that had spontaneously achieved sentience and could be described as more than a little strange on account of that, at least by human standards. I had several motivations and hobbies for the character, but one I was debating whether or not I wanted to include was a hidden agenda to basically go full ASSIMILATION MODO because it figured the only way for transhumanity to beat the crazy hyper-intelligent, kinda-sorta-eldritch hivemind machines that exist in the setting was for it to become something similar. In the end, I didn't include the idea because I never really had a good chance to bring it up to the DM before the game ended.RIP Omicron, really enjoyed playing as you for the few sessions I did.
Hey /pfg/.
Is there any reason I shouldn't make an equivalent to animal companions that are not animals, available in my game?
Magical Beasts, Vermin, Outsiders, Draconic Creatures, Constructs, Undead, Plants, whatever?
Is there any reason I should restrict people to the animal companion list in the feat rather than the full list if they take the feat?
So maybe Jim Dragonmagic makes a Sorcerer.
He takes a feat chain that mirrors the animal companion feat tree, then has a medium sized drake that follows him around and becomes large at level 7.
Or maybe Steve Craftmagic makes a wizard, and takes a similar feat chain, which he uses to have a golem that follows him around, which he upgrades as he levels up.
Part 2: Major issues with intelligent pets/sidekicks through the same method?
Mike Darkmagic does something similar, summons up a cambion, and gradually gives him class levels (following the same progression of HD as an animal companion) perhaps?
This would be in lieu of leadership.
>>43904990
I believe the SRD already has rules for some Plant and Vermin companions, as far as making new ones as long as they're on par powerwise with an existing companion type it really shouldn't matter; constructs and undead might present a problem because of the immunities they possess
>>43904941
Sigh.
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhli?I-Can-Call-Spirits-From-the-Vasty-Deep#28
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lhli?I-Can-Call-Spirits-From-the-Vasty-Deep#24
Here we go. This is the official standpoint in Pathfinder about succubi and gender. For once, I am forced to agree with them.Why are you making me cite people I hate talking about a game whose fluff I don't give a damn about except when it affects gaming and perception of gaming as a whole, like with the shit writing and cardboard- cutout minorities that people like Crystal Frasier and Jessica Price keep producing. I'm only here for the 3pp, dammit. I don't want to fight this fight.
>>43905057
Official male succubus, right from paizo.
>>43904815
She laughed harder than I did. Frankly, I wouldn't mind but it's up to her.
>>43902005
Hate commies passionately. Praise Tzar.
>>43905253
I'dredeem him with the power of lawful good dickings.
>>43905253
Where?
>>43904436
>I forgot that Paizo doesn't seem to understand what attractive men look like
I'm pretty sure that there was a very long thread on their forums a while ago that complained about this exact thing.
>>43905253
Actually they can shapeshift at will to whatever your fetish is, so I think gender is meaningless in this case.
>>43905326
Second link from >>43905057. To of the page. Click link, says succubus.
>>43905331
There was, and I I r c they apologized and said they hadn't been doing it on purpose.
