New Kozilek, new mana symbol, new basic land, and new edh land. Real or fake guys?
>>43698169
There's three cards with the symbol on it. usually fakes only put in effort for one card. and not something nearly this drastic of a change.
>>43698169
There's already a thread for this.
>>43698245
already hit limit anon
>>43698258
my bad then.
FAQ:
>"Waste" is not a new, sixth basic land type.
>The land called "Waste" has a basic supertype.
>[diamond] is now "true colorless" mana while [number] is reserved for costs that require any mana, regardless of color.
I missed /tg/'s initial reaction. what was the general consensus in the last thread?
My biggest issue with new kozi is that its wording is so off and awkward compared to previous effects that do the same thing, like Hisoka Minamo sensei.
>>43698344
"Holy shit, this is probably real, how the fuck does diamond mana work??? and what are basic lands i just started playing two weeks ago"
All the spoilers in one convenient image.
>>43698344
Freaking out but people have generally accepted that there's a very real chance these leaks are legit. The thread was actually a pretty good read >>43694896
>>43698335
<> is now colorless mana while {1} or {X} is generic mana. That's the real difference.
Posting again cause old thread is dead b
Calling it now.
Kozikek's Wake 2<><>
Enchantment
All non basic lands lose all abilities and land types, and gain "T: Add 1 to your mana pool."
>>43698411
Yeah, I can live with that. We probably won't be seeing generic mana in lands and artifacts that produce colorless mana.
>>43698344
>this can't be real!
>this might be real...
>how does this work exactly?
>that's makes sense, still weird though
>probably it was leaked by wotc itself
>kozylek never left zendikar
>magic is dead
>meme meme meme
You get the rest.
>>43698425
They won't do it because WotC hates floodgate cards like this now. Same reason why they won't print good land destruction anymore.
That said, I'd like it if they actually did do it.
>>43698425
Too powerlful, I think an Enchant land is more likely.
Is that a new color or is it just another parasitic mechanic ?
>>43698478
Not a new color.
A new mechanic almost for sure.
But not yet known if it's parasitic.
>>43698456
>>43698446
I was actually thinking an ingest mechanic, but for Kosi. Ingest is vet much an Ulamog ability, which means something like Distort could be a thing. It turns lands into effectively Waste.I know it's not type Jesus fuck I don't feel like typing it out on my phone
>>43698478
They will from now on differentiate between colorless mana and generic mana.
Newfag to Magic here.
Why is everyone losing their shit to the "new mana thing"?
I saw people asking for several posts in the other thread how these cards are supposed to work, like if it was hard.
I saw people saying this is the end of Magic.
I saw people in denial.
We will have a colorless lands and a new Eldrazi titan playable on standard, big fucking woop, Ulamog wins games faster and better.
I swear you guys are worse that those guys that stalk the Pokemon threads to insist that the original 150 are the best and the rest is shit.
>>43698478
We are reasonably sure that they have decided to add a symbol for colorless and possibly differentiate it from "generic" mana.
>>43698478
{diamond} is now shorthand for "Colorless mana is spent on this, and no mana of color may be spent"
{1} {X} and so on is now shorthand for "Mana of any color, as well as colorless mana, is to be spent on this"
>>43698516
Because you're too new to realize you haven't lurked enough. Those are leaked spoilers. No one knows exactly what those new symbols mean and everyone's speculating because it's fun.
Fuck you and fuck anime.
Does this mean anything for EDH?
>>43698567
Yes. You can now have a colorless commander and play colorless basic lands. You will finally not get rekt by nonbasic hate.
>>43698181
Motherfucking Bismuth
So, does the mere existence of Wastes mean that Coalition Victory is now even harder to win with?
>>43698536
That's speculation, fuck off
>>43698516
they didn't lose the shit to the mana symbol. it was because of the new basic land type with the new symbol in it. it kind of makes sense now though
>>43698567
colorless commanders got better.
other than that, it shouldn't mean anything, but a new mana symbol is sure an opportunity for sheldon to do something really stupid.
>>43698594
Coalition Victory doesn't change, because Wastes is a Basic Land and it's not a Basic Land -- Wastes.
>>43698567
You got Basic Lands. Welcome to civilization.
>>43698516
Magic has had 5 colors for 20+ years. Adding a 6th this late in the game would kind of be a huge thing.
It's probably not a 6th color, but we don't know for certain yet.
Is this confirmed real?
>>43698669
Kozilek has the colorless frame. It's not a sixth color.
>>43698169
>colorless commanders now have a basic land
>painlands now are more playable, depending on what you want to do even more than tango or shocks
>Mirrorpool looks nice
>Newzilek has an unique and interesting set of abilities
I for one welcome our new bismuth overlords!
>>43698669
It's a pseudo-sixth color. Colorless has always been around, they're just (supposedly) differentiating it.
>>43698672
Nothing's been confirmed because obviously WotC won't answer questions on it and Oath spoilers don't start for two months but there's enough evidence and reasoning to suggest that these are real.
I sure hope we get a printing of wastes from another, less ugly plane.
>>43698703
>but there's enough evidence and reasoning to suggest that these are real
and that is?
>>43698717
Read this entire thread >>43694896
>>43698716
There will probably be 4-5 Wastes. Look at the collector number of Mirrorpool.
>>43698536
If that were true, I don't think Mirrorpool would have "Add to your mana pool."
>>43698747
Good point.
>>43698717
Literally nothing. The art and the spacing on the text isn't awful, but that's about it.
>>43698717
the set numbers fit, the art isnt easily locatable on google images, the art matches other things from the credited artists in style, the images show reasonably low levels of tampering under jpeg artifact amplification.
>>43698696
I now wonder how Newrakul will bend reality, Kozilek had "truth butchering" through drawing cards and now negating other spells. What they'll make of Emrakul's extra turn? Controlling the opponent's turn?
>>43698717
This >>43697747 is the biggest confirmation for me.
>>43698516
>Newfag to Magic here
magic has worked with 5 colors from the beginning of time.
New kinds of mana with their symbols have been tought out before, some worked (snow mana), and some didn't leave the paper (purple color).
The shitstorm is happening because:
1. There is no official explanation to how will this work
2. They're doing it on the last set of BfZ, which means that it won't have much support (go read on constellation), and it doesn't look like something that will be revisited that soon. If it is this way, they are occupying design spaces with cards that may be too niche and non comunicative with the rest of the game, even less so than constellation.
3. If it actually comes back often enough to prove my #2 statement wrong, well, i can't even predict the outcome, and not in a good way. MaRo has been known to make shity decisions that makes all kinds of players mad, so it's plausible to expect any big changes promoted by a block based on a career defining moment of his to be bad.
>>43698703
>It's a pseudo-sixth color. Colorless has always been around, they're just (supposedly) differentiating it.
I really think it's this. Kind of like how the pokemon TCG introduced metal and dark energy but they were not the basic ones. Can only have 4 in a deck.
>>43698729
this just further cements that the bismuth basic lands are real, or we have one hell of a devoted person making fakes
>>43698747
yes, and all 4 of them will have pictures of zendikar on them.
>>43698771
>MaRo has been known to make shity decisions that makes all kinds of players mad, so it's plausible to expect any big changes promoted by a block based on a career defining moment of his to be bad.
If this turns out to be a really shitty decision at least I want it to make WotC to kick MaRo out. Enough of his colorpie fuckery bullshit.
>>43698716
What would a Lorwyn Wastes look like?
>>43698335
>>[diamond] is now "true colorless" mana while [number] is reserved for costs that require any mana, regardless of color.
That's basically the same as just a new colour. But ok. Sure.
>>43698781
Bismuth is also in Skitterskin, Kozilek's Channeler, and Kozilek's Sentinel.
Ulamog reduces everything to dust.
Kozilek, I don't fucking know, drains the mana and turns it into bismuth? Somehow everything becomes bismuth.
And Emrakul fucked off somewhere but it just unmakes things entirely.
>>43698774
>>43698771
Niggers. They are fixing the disparity between [1] in costs and in mana production. [1] in a mana cost means something different than a land producing [1]. The [1] is now generic mana that can be paid with any mana. The [diamond] is now colorless mana which means that for mana costs you have to spend colorless mana on it and not any mana of your choice.
>>43698728
>>43698760
>>43698763
>>43698768
Pretty much speculation but I can definitely see where you're coming from
>>43698516
Because of the leak, also there's a meme in mtg threads in spoiler season like "magic iz dead" or "i'm selling all my cards, this set sucks"
You're too new to understand the implications IF these spoilers are real.
>>43698169
>New Basic Land Type
The fuck?
Is this going to be a permanent addition?
Colorless going to be Wastes from now on?
>>43698815
>Basic land type
>type
Look harder
>>43698805
He distorts the mana. Usually you pay generic mana and colored mana for spells. With Kozilek, you now pay generic mana and colorless mana for your spells.
>>43698815
Wording is important, as of what we "know" it's a new land with the Basic supertype, but NOT a new basic land type.
>>43698169
RUINED
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>>43698717
Read the older thread.
>>43698813
To be fair, this is what happens during ANY given spoiler season.
>>43698805
Distorts the mana and the land with it. The land becomes bismuth as a consequence of the mana being distorted.
Also here's this thing.
>>43698876
time traveler pls go
>>43698771
>constellation
I'd love to see this actually work out, but it's the next phyrexian mana.
>>43698807
So lets say
Diamond Cutter (Diamond)
Creature-Crab
1/1
Can be paid with mana from Rogue's Passage, but not paid with U produced from one Island? If so, that's kind of useless
>>43698807
Will you stop spouting this shit like it's confirmed? Retards might start believing you.
The fact that Mirrorpool produces <> instead of 1 implies that it's a type of mana, not a type of mana cost.
>>43698876
I wonder if the bismuth creation is accidental or some sort of counter hedron being purposely produced.
>>43698181
So as far as I can tell, the major difference between Wastes and our normal basic lands is that the original five have (Forest, Swamp, etc) as both a name and a subtype. Wastes is a name, not a subtype.
I'm glad about the mana symbol in hindsight though. The difference between a {1} in a casting cost and a {1} in a text box always caused me a bit of pause. Hopefully this resolves and becomes logical to us.
Diamond better be used outside of Eldrazi, just so it's not a gimmick. I'd like it if diamond mana was a generic mana symbol (but not generic mana) that just so happened to fit well with the Eldrazi's theme, not something just for them.
>>43698169
I'm really concerned about this. That's two thirds of the Eldrazi on one plane already, either being dealt with or having Zendikar destroyed. Even if it's Kozilek on Innistrad and not Emrakul like we suspect, that still means we're dealing with the Eldrazi threat in under a year. This doesn't bode well for the Eldrazi actually being the big bad villains they're billed as, if they're being exhausted so quickly.
I've just realized this could mean converge cards casting for 6. Depends if this counts for it though.
>>43698912
No, it makes for more diverse deck choices. Either play more colorless sources or dip into the mighty magic of the Eldrazi.
>>43698815
basic spells when?
>magician's cantrip
>U
>basic sorcery
>draw a card
>>43698478
It's just snow lands 2.0.
Unless "colorless" is going to be treated like a 6th color now, but I highly doubt this will last more than a set.
>>43698928
Flavor points to "no".
>>43698927
What makes you think the eldrazi are going to be defeated on zendikar? And they're never truely 'killed', even if you seal them away in hedrons they're only in stasis.
>>43698813
>You're too new to understand the implications IF these spoilers are real.
Better start explaining them then "oldfag", because except for being TOTALLYNOT6THCOLORMANA needed to pay the cost of some Oath cards, what's so apocaliptic end of all times and revelant about it?
Commander is a meme format and this will improve it a bit, not like if anyone plays it.
Modern and Standard doesn't care there's already better shit.
All this really sounds like Sheldons crying about change.
>>43698935
Well, you know, if Wizards even bothers making good cards.
>mighty magic of the eldrazi
>eldrazi are supposed to be entirely alien to magic and mana
>>43698928
>For each color
Ever amazing at card games.
>>43698977
>>eldrazi are supposed to be entirely alien to magic and mana
Nope. They just aren't fans of colored mana.
>>43698973
>All this really sounds like Sheldons crying about change
Well yeah, he doesn't want to give the format to wizards.
>>43698954
This could stick. It could fix their problem of having artifacts too strong.
It prevents them from just being shoved in any deck.
Which on the other hand kind of ruins their core strength and what made them fun
>>43698807
Ok, let's see if I get it:
They are fixing an aspect of the game no one seems to have difficulty using and understanding.
By making it harder to use and understand.
And less fun to use.
While dumbing down the game in the other parts that are actually fun when they are complicated, like lorwyn-like board states or stack altering stuff.
No negro, you're wrong on that one. Diferentiating from generic and colorless doesn't add much to the game as a whole, and just makes color fixing more annoying since my colorless creatures, the ones i actually could insert in any deck, will be harder to cast.
>>43698916
I think we all missed that the corruption left by Kozylek's brood is bismuth.
>>43699010
I could see this showing up in other sets if they're pushing the Planeswalkers teaming up and fighting Eldrazi on other planes, but I doubt it'll ever be used for anything other than Eldrazi.
>>43698845
>Says Basic Land
>New Symbol
>New Non-Basic produces mana of new Symbol
Sure looks like a new type of land to me.
You have ten seconds to explain why you aren't reading the article on bismuth RIGHT NOW.
>>43699084
the card itself doesn't have a unique land type
>>43699095
article?
>>43698973
Alright
1. Shut the fuck up about EDH
2. Shut the fuck up about EDH
3.Shut the fuck up about EDH
what does bismuth mean? what is this meme?
>>43699084
"Basic land type" is a game construct you fucking mongoloid.
>>43699084
The difference is that its (super)type is Basic Land, but it does not have a Basic Land (sub)type.
>>43699117
IT'S MOTHERFUCKING BISMUTH
Why make Kozilek more awkward to cast though? 10 mana is already hard enough, but now Wizards want me to run some awkward little basic lands? How the fuck am I meant to get them down consistently?
>>43698912
Diamond mana is weaker than current generic colorless mana yes, it's a drawback in terms of ease of casting yes
So expect rewards in other areas, colorless matters, etc
Having colorless basics is rewArd enough to be honest, it is a huge buff to colorless play styles
>>43698335
there is no functional difference between a "colourless" mana that can't be generated by the other land types, and totally new colour.
>Ulamog destroys the physical
>Emrakul destroys the reality
>Kozilek destroys Magic
You can't fault him for lack of trying.
>>43699117
>doesn't know bismuth
How are you even alive?
>>43699117
You could just Google bismuth, but no, you had to ask to be spoonfed.
>>43699137
Look at this. Look at waste. Tell me what's missing you fucking shitter.
>>43698951
>storm becomes tier 1
As if wotc would ever let that happen.
>>43699171
*mana
These really should have come out in Battle for Zendikar. It's pretty obvious that it's an annoying if necessary change. Would've tided over better if they came with the BfZ cards with no explanation on what they do, instead of now after the afterglow of full art basics has worn off.
>>43699181
I know it is a metal and that some of the land from BFZ looks like it but I don't find any of the memes funny so I thought I might be missing something
>>43699018
although, it also means colorless basics for EDH, which also happens to be wizards secondary target demographic these days
>>43698973
It wasn't a constructive way to address the point, I agree.
The general consensus is that the five colors of mana are not only well-rounded, but have been supported for decades.
In the last decade-and-a-half I've been following, I recall two cases when there was a talk about sixth mana, Purple.
First time was just magazine shit with no basis in it whatsoever. The second time was during Time Spiral/Planar Chaos, and they realized that they would simply reallocate some of the domains of the other colors into Purple. They played around with the idea, realized it wasn't a good, and scrapped it. There is a post on the WotC website that explains it better than I do.
Another thing is that WotC have been pushing the idea that "colorless" is merely the concept of "lack of color" for ages. If they define the colorless as a domain of its own, there will be huge power shifts that changes how the game will interact entirely. Colorless was "sub-par quality mana" for many reasons, and it was given to lands with good abilities, or mana rocks to pump out en-masse.
If Diamond is indeed Colorless-specific, then look at the most recent reprints of painlands. T: for {D}, and T: for X or Y at cost of 1 life. This makes the unique {D} way too accessible, and any value cards in Colorless will be an auto-include, homogenizing the game, which was the mistake of Phyrexian Mana they admitted to.
If {D} is a new color, then they have two decades+ of catching up to do with different colors, at the risk of not really introducing anything new, while simplifying the other colors, thus leading to homogenization in another way.
So Kozilek distorts reality? If this set isn't Planar Chaos 2.0, Wizards need to just kill themselves.
>>43699213
Why not in Oath, a set that cares specifically about colorless mana in costs because Kozilek just fucks with mana?
>>43699190
the subtype
I'm calling it now, these cards were supposed to appear in tomorrow's Uncharted Realms but they were leaked.
>>43699263
Nah. Tomorrow's UR will have the imprisonment of Ulamog and the dick-fuckery of Ob ruining the hedron alignment.
No way this is real, no fucking way
Fuck you all
>>43698703
I would guess it's sort of like snow in some ways.
>>43699213
We do know that BfZ got hit hard by the shift to a Large Small set structure in the middle of its development, so it's possible that at one point Bismuth mana was intended to be included earlier.
>>43699168
xcept for the fact that there are about a billion non-land and non-basic land sources of colorless in the game already.
>>43699287
>once Ob fucked off to another plane, everyone looked at they feet and saw bismuth everywhere
>click to see the spoiler
>Kozylek and Waste
>black screen
>credits start to roll>Gideon will return in Captain America: Civil War
>>43699320
This. It will also mean that the Blighted lands will get some use alongside with the painlands.
>>43699263
I never noticed the arm eyes or the human shaped tentacles until now.
Neat.
>>43699258
Exactly. They are typeless basic lands. Why is this such a hard concept for people.
>>43699287
On Nixilis sounds like the ultimate black planeswalker, just a hilarious douche.
>Hooray we've trapped Ulamog in the aligned hedron network, saving zendikar and possibly the whole multiverse.
>hahaha fuck you, I need one of these for more power. Later bitches.
He's a troll in a demons body
>>43698516
There's a few cards that do things based on the number of basic lands, this brings that up from a possible 5 to a possible 6. It changes a crapload of cards, and while nothing will happen with most, it could have big effects with some.
>>43699361
>State of Design 2016
>"Printing Wastes at common was a mistake. If there's anything NWO had taught us, they should've been at rare so as not to confuse newer players."
>>43699375
>There's a few cards that do things based on the number of basic lands, this brings that up from a possible 5 to a possible 6.
You can actually put as many basic lands as you want in your deck, generally people put in around 40%, so normally there is a possible 17 in a limited deck and a possible 24 in a constructed deck
>>43699207
No, it's funnier the original way
>>43699362
I wish they'd settle on a character design for Ob that doesn't suck ass already. They've made a lot of cool demons in the game, but they mess him up every other time
>>43699383
Seriously. Look at this fucker here >>43699375
>>43698335
Might want the relevant bits of the CR:
>107.4b Numeral symbols (such as {1}) and variable symbols (such as {X}) represent generic mana in costs. Generic mana in costs can be paid with any type of mana. For more information about {X}, see rule 107.3.
>107.4c Numeral symbols (such as {1}) and variable symbols (such as {X}) can also represent colorless mana if they appear in the effect of a spell or ability that reads “add [mana symbol] to your mana pool” or something similar. (See rule 107.3e.)
>Colorless
>1. An object with no color is colorless. Colorless is not a color. See rule 105, “Colors,” and rule 202, “Mana Cost and Color.”
>2. A type of mana. See rule 106, “Mana,” and rule 107.4c.
>Generic Mana
>Mana in a cost not represented by colored mana symbols; it can be paid with mana of any type. See rule 107.4.
Presumably, 107.3c would get errata, and the glossary entry for Generic Mana would no longer specify a "colored" mana symbol.
>>43699216
Okay you retard, spoonfeeding time.
People that are trying to be dark, 'cool', interesting, and general "middle school syndrome" are called 'edgy', because they were on the cutting edge of culture/fashion/thinking.
This stopped being the prevalent internet viewpoint over a decade ago, when people left high school and realized the world wasn't white and pure like they believed as children, nor black and corrupt like when we teenagers. The world, and everything and everyone in it, are just various shades of grey and gray. Everyone's tired, nobody likes to work, we'll all die someday (at the relief of our loved ones no doubt) and ultimately there's no point in anything. The true 'sandbox game' you've always wanted.
So 'edgy' people and things are overly dark, serious, and generally lacking full perspective. This includes Shadow the Hedgehog, Dante, Kill la Kill, and anything red and black with a troubled past.
Bismuth arose in notoriety as being especially edgy, considering its composed of nothing BUT straight edges. Thus, when being called 'edgy' is akin to calling someone immature, being edgier than bismuth is leagues worse.
This'll be on the test, so remember to study your "10 Edgiest characters of all time" worksheet tonight, to prepare for the essay. Class dismissed.
>>43698797
Maro isn't in charge of the entirety of Magic, you know.
>>43699434
>KLK
>Serious
Pick one.
>>43699320
sources of colorless =/= sources of diamond
>>43699434
you couldve just said its a bad meme but no, you had to go full sperg
>>43699482
I was trying to remember the three characters from the 'Edg, Edge, and Edgy' picture edit.
>>43699490
Diamond IS colorless mana in your mana pool.
>>43699217
Every time someone looks at a card and acknowledges it as EDH material a platypus dies.
>>43698169
Kozilek is still shitty, so I doubt its fake.
>>43699521
Duck those venomous fucks anyways
>>43699491
Bad memes are not necessarily the same thing as memes about things the general public dislikes.
I find edgy as a term to be quite useful in succinctly describing a rather complex counter-culture.
>>43699375
Those actually go off number of basic land TYPES. If you'll notice wastes is missing a land type just like any typical non-basic. It just has the Basic Supertype
>>43699537
>built in disrupting shoal
>not a good re-animator target
Ayyy
>>43699521
I'm not sure if that is an insult, or a compliment to the strange nature that is the platypus
I do applaud you for that post though
>>43699434
Kill la Kill outright criticizes edgyness dude, you clearly haven't watched it
>>43699434
You know KLK is a parody anime, right?
>Check facebook for a bit to see the reactions
>THIS IS THE END OF MAGIC
>PLS WIZARDS NO
>I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE CARDS WORK
>NEW COLOR REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>IT'S REAL
>NO IT'S NOT
>YES IT IS
>BETTER THAN BFZ
>SHUT UP BFZ WAS GOOD
>WOOP COMMANDER
>THIS KILLED COMMANDER
>DO MY PAINLANDS COST AS MUCH AS FETCHS THEY GIVE HEDRON MANA TOO
And some of those persons are on this thread judging some posts.
>>43698169
so 6th color being game breaking aside, let's just say that this IS the kozilek card, and that the cmc is just 10 generic, anyone else really underwhelmed by this titans power level? I mean kozi was always weaker than the other two, but it also wasn't that significant of a jump from kozi to ula
>>43699512
but colorless mana is NOT diamond, so the "about a billion lands that produce colorless" would mean squat to cast a 1DD creature for instance.
>>43699616And some persons here are MtG judges laughing at players failing to understand a basic land without a land subtype.
>>43699460
But everyone sure rides his jew dick.
>"omg maro u so smart and funny! pls post more comics"
>"mr maro is mah burthday, can i have trivia about your smelly ass?"
>"mark if i have 3 elf and 1 goblin deck, am i vorthos or spike? pls respond"
>>43699635
What?
What if you can pay 1 colourless and 1 life to pay for 1 diamond?
>>43699632
I thought Ula was supposed to be the weakest?
>>43699591
it's an insult to EDH, considering i kinda like pepperspray-rape duckbeaver.
>>43699664
Dude. Phyrexian Eldrazi mana
>>43699665
Ulamog is the strong one
Kozilek is the smart one
Emrakul is BLARARGAHRHGARBARLARHYGAHR
>>43699665
I was mostly referring to crunch rather than fluff
>>43699586
>focusing on the Disrupting Shoal, but better, aspect and not the fact that it refills your hand
Seriously, nigga?
>>43699616
>normalfags are on /tg/
I knew it all along, nobody believed me but I've been waiting for them for years
And now it was too late far too late for now, anyway
it's parasitic
>>43699521
le randum internet coment pls upbote :^)
>>43699616
>hedron mana
nooo they're tap dancing lands, because they take 2 to cast kozy xD
>>43699692
>tfw just finished watching TBBT while my gf sucked my dick
Now I am gonna post on /tg/ in my favorite quest threads while I browse reddit and plan a charity even for Syrian refugees.
>>43699722
And change your profile pic for a french filter.
>>43699698
>still being this pissed about tango lands
>>43699646
>>43699656
ok, from the top:
statement
>there is no functional difference between a "colourless" mana that can't be generated by the other land types, and totally new colour.
there is no difference between D and another color
answer
>xcept for the fact that there are about a billion non-land and non-basic land sources of colorless in the game already
there is difference, there are lands that support D
answer
>sources of colorless =/= sources of diamond
lands that produce colorless do not necessarily support D
answer
>Diamond IS colorless mana in your mana pool.
but D is colorless
answer
>but colorless mana is NOT diamond, so the "about a billion lands that produce colorless" would mean squat to cast a 1DD creature for instance.
D may be colorless, but colorless isn't D. If i have a land that taps for 1, i can't use it to summon a creature with casting cost D, because D may be used to cast 1, but 1 can't be used to cast D.
Aside from the infinite D jokes, D is diamonds in the text.
>>43699745
*battlelands
>>43699681
I don't care if it ruins magic, I am beyond hype for the zany shit they pull with new Emrakul.
>>43699758
>Wizards are giving us the D
>>43699671
I like EDH, but I also enjoy your insult.
You sir, have won this day
>>43699698
>>43699745
jesus tap dancing land sounds better :^)
>>43699745
*keklands
>>43699743
Yeah, but only after posting my latest League of Legends game score with "such a nerd XD"
>>43699763
Do you call them Ravnica lands too? Or did you protest shocklands too because you are autistic
>>43699763
Dublands
>>43699770
>When Emrakul, the Most Powerful Being to Ever Exist attacks, tap up to 3 permanents target player controls
>>43699758
>>43699225
On the other hand, that means you're playing painlands instead of fetches/doublechecks, and that the only means you have of costing the <> cards is via said unfetchable painlands and any wastes/manlands you happen to shove in.
>>43699786
Zenduals*
>>43699775
I feel kinda bad taking credit for this... the platypus/EDH joke is common to the FLGS (which is anything but local, as I have to drive for 2:30 hours since my town doesn't have one).
>>43699745
>still not pissed by the meme
>>43699787
Pretty good desu. If you tap their lands they can't counter it.
>>43699787
>When Emrakul, Reality Asunder attacks, cast three random spells from your collection.
>>43699722
I wonder why they don't use Magic on one of TBBT episodes.
The plot could be that Sheldon and Penny (or anyone since they all hate Sheldon anyway) makes a tournament to shut up Sheldon and hilarity ensues.
They can even invite Maro to shill Instrand or Oath.
Hell, they can even throw some Meme Rhino cameos too.
>>43699806
Santalands
Cause he's checkin' it twice
>>43699745
Tangolands is gay. Like beyond ninja gay.
Just call them dubs
>>43699745
>>43699763
>>43699785
>>43699786
>>43699806
L A G L A N D S
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I call them badlands, because they are bad and because it will piss off anybody who points out that it is an existing card-name.
>>43699828
There have been MTG cameos in the comic store, they even play a card game paroding magic. It was horrible.
>>43699833
Nice dubs
>>43699758
I agree with you on most things, except for two differences in the waste land type:
1. Waste doesn't count as a color for converge and similar color counting effects.
2. Creatures cast with waste will probably be all colorless instead of being "diamond colored". I'm even going to speculate as far as saying a creature costing 1DU will be monoblue instead of golden.
>>43699793
That's true. I apologize, I'm currently stuck trying to see what this would mean for Urzatron
>>43699745
I'm going to continue to call them Arby Lands.
>>43699905
Whoever gets trips most recently while arguing about it gets to pick the name - at least until the next trips comes.
>>43699758
>lands that produce colorless do not necessarily support D
No support for that claim.
>D may be colorless, but colorless isn't D. If i have a land that taps for 1, i can't use it to summon a creature with casting cost D, because D may be used to cast 1, but 1 can't be used to cast D.
The fuck? Why would you read it that way? Were you dropped as a child?
The more I think about it, the stranger it becomes.
>no source
>three cards staring the new colorless symbol
>mythics + full art basic land, so there's no explanation for the symbolGuys, Wizards is doing this on purpose to fuck with us.
>>43699948
I dub them "Waste lands".
>inb4 complex ruse by WotC
it's not going to be a 'sixth' color any more than snow mana is the sixth color. it'll be some weird gimmick.
still not convinced it's real, anyways. faking it would require effort, sure, but it's no more elaborate than the fake smash leaks etc.
>>43699948
I dub them boxlands
>>43699980
Except the artists line up and the artwork wasn't spoiled so far.
Rerolling for >>43699969
>>43700001
So? As I said, no more elaborate than fake smash leaks.
>>43700012
Dude, you don't just fake three distinct artist styles as if it's nothing.
>>43700012
>Somehow getting never-before-seen art from industry professionals
>no more elaborate than fake smash leaks
The fuck have the smash leakers been up to?
>>43699948
Clearly Triplands. Now shut up.
ya know how we know they are real?
those are those artists exact styles.
those styles are completely impossible for fakers to recreate so perfectly.
>>43700031
or, you know, faking it
>>43700028
This guy has a series where he renders existing characters in smash's artsyle, first one was originally released as a fake video leak and was good enough to get picked up by industry news sources before he decided to come clean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaoB7lnOiXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsOX2tfQyZI
>>43699952
>No support for that claim.
the first post of the line says: >there is no functional difference between a "colourless" mana that can't be generated by the other land types, and totally new colour.
That's the premise we were discussing based on, learn2logic
>The fuck? Why would you read it that way? Were you dropped as a child?
again:
>"colourless" mana that can't be generated by the other land types
D, it is colorless but cant be generated by WUBRG or {1}/{X}
learn2read.
bottomline, I can't summon new kozilek with ten "tap for {1}" lands, so aside from >>43699905
there is no difference between D and a new color, IF we're based on the premises >>43699168 presented us with, which we were in that particular discussion.
>>43700125
that and the fact that there's no trace of this art anywhere else
>>43700125
Raymond Swanland is a bit of a stretch but Wizards most probably told him to boil his edgy borders down, even for bismuth, because it's a basic land.
>>43698181
I wonder what the other art for wastes will look like.
Will they be in the theme of how Kozilek and Ulamog destroy the landscape? What about how Emrakul changes things?
>>43700125
Kozilek is underwhelming and the land is overcosted. It's totally wizards
>>43700130
Who says that extant abilities that produce {1} won't be errataed to use the new symbol? It's the logical thing to do, and clears up the confusion surrounding the fact that generic and colorless mana currently use the same symbol.
>>43700129
Generic 3D stuff is way easier to fake than distinct painting styles.
I'm not saying it's easy but it's easier than faking something like pic related.
>>43700171
that would be an extremely un-wizards thing to do because it increases complexity for new players (new symbol they have to learn) with no real reward. I would buy it as neo-snow mana over that any day.
>>43700146
Emrakul is busywarping Innistrad.
Why are the first two image files and the third one a phone shot?
>>43700129
there isn't a man alive who is a card faker who can ALSO paint like Aleksi.
and that is his style, if there is someone who can both fake his style, and the other two artists style for an elaborate ruse.
then Wizards needs to employ them because they are clearly a fucking super genius in multiple fields.
>>43700171
Then what's the point of 8<><>?
>>43700190
...when was the last time you taught a new player? The fact that you can use any color on {1}, but can't spend {1} on any color is harder to teach than this will be.
>>43700214
>Mirrorpool
>photo of a screen
>...
IT HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING
It's real, though. Maro spoiled "Mirror" being in the name of a new card AND he loves doubling things. It's probably his favorite Oath card.
>>43700214
Because they were leaked from different sources.
>>43699745
Double Checks
>>43700228
The 8 is generic mana. The <><> is colorless. See >>43699412
This isn't that hard.
>>43700228
its so you hAVE to use the Diamond lands for 2 of his mana.
the anon you replied to is retarded.
this mana produces "true colorless" mana, in the sense it can be used for anything, but Diamond costs have to be paid with it specifically.
its a techincal 6th color that is entirely built into this set (and possibly Innistrad) alone.
>>43700171
I doubt they'd do that as it would overpower a lot of lands.
Many lands have cool effects and can only produce {1} instead of producing colored mana, as a drawback to their "pay 1, tap and sac this land, do something". These mana would spike in value since a lot of cards would require their exact drawback as an actual asset for running the deck.
>>43700230
Even the most retarded player I ever had the displeasure of teaching had absolutely no problem understanding colors and casting costs.
>>43700241
At the same time? hmmmm
>>43700249
Signs point to "no". The Blighted lands and the painlands point to "true colorless" being a deck choice but not a sixth color.
>>43700230
I've taught 7 people to play and none of them ever made that mistake.
>>43700247
>>43700249
Shit, I misread his post.
>>43700253
>Many lands have cool effects and can only produce {1} instead of producing colored mana, as a drawback to their "pay 1, tap and sac this land, do something". These mana would spike in value since a lot of cards would require their exact drawback as an actual asset for running the deck.
>a lot of cards
Probably no more than ten. Very specific, niche cards, most of which aren't going to see any kind of nonrotating play.
>>43699745
You mean Pimplands
>>43699010
>Which on the other hand kind of ruins their core strength and what made them fun
I mean, that's the thing. Let's assume this plays the sanest, least parasitic way:
1. <> costs can be paid only with colorless mana.
2. Effects that produce colorless mana will now be printed with a <> symbol for each mana they produce.
3. Numerals now refer only to generic costs.
4. Wastes is a basic land that produces only colorless mana. We have no reason to expect it to be printed in sets that do not have <> costs.
So, the thing is that in any set with <> costs and Wastes printed, Colorless is functionally a new color. There are obviously distinctions - it doesn't contribute to Converge, its basic land doesn't have a basic land type, etc. But these are small enough distinctions that they don't make it stand out as Not A Color - they make it stand out as having its own mechanical color pie slice. This addition corrodes the distinction between colored and colorless effects.
Long-term, that's bad. If it's just a short-term "The Eldrazi are fucking weird" mechanic, that's probably gonna work out okay. It's only if we see <> costs and Wastes printed as a matter of course that they'll have screwed the pooch.
This is probably the only way to make a 6th color viable - because it's not parasitic. And it's not like snow mana. Snow mana was never in casting costs, it played with other colors (and could be spent on strictly more things) instead of forbidding them, and it was a hell of a lot more parasitic. This is much more like a new color than a new snow mana.
this guy foresees
https://twitter.com/VorthosMike/status/643803379425120256
>>43700253
>Even the most retarded player I ever had the displeasure of teaching had absolutely no problem understanding colors and casting costs.
Then explain how so many people in this thread have no idea what the difference is between generic mana and colorless mana.
>>43700306
I told you that already when the full set was spoiled. :^(
>>43700275
you'd be wrong then, this is clearly a new cost things localized to this set.
>>43700326
where the fuck was Gatewatch spoiled?
>>43700253
>>Many lands have cool effects and can only produce {1} instead of producing colored mana, as a drawback to their "pay 1, tap and sac this land, do something". These mana would spike in value since a lot of cards would require their exact drawback as an actual asset for running the deck.
You are basing this on the assumption that they will print cards with <> good enough for eternal/modern play(Good enough to make you want to fuck over your fetch/dual synergy by putting shit like painlands in), which is an illogical thing to assume after BFZ.
So this is the shit they have been working on since Invasion? It doesn't even make Domain better, what a bunch of bullshit
>>43700278
Literally everyone I teach thinks 3U means they need to pay UUU to cast.
That's number 3 on the Things I Hate Teaching list. Number 2 is Permanents, Spells, Cards, what's the difference?
Number 1 is The Stack. Thank Jesus for programmers and FILO.
>>43700280
painlands
filterlands
loads of artifacts
hell, just google "add 1 to mana pool"
>>43700311
Do i really have to?
Ok.... /TG/ IS BAD AT MAGIC.
Seriously, the particular guy i was refering to has played for 3 years, and still tryes to cast sorceries and echantments as interrupts.
>>43700311
>>43700253
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/42052634149/why-are-the-colorless-mana-symbol-eg-add-1
>this thread filled with people not understanding mana and subtypes
>>43700374
No, /tg/ was a containment board. It's worked beautifully. We don't even think we need the other boards anymore!
all the cards that had (1) will be considered "generic" mana from now on.
these lands are the only lands that produce Colorless Mana.
>>43700398
/mtg/ when?
>>43698169
just found this thread. I hope Oath isnt cluttered with more ugly ass hentai monsters. BFZ such a let down in that area
