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>Total War: Warhammer
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First for oldschool dwarfs
second for Skaven, the master race
>>43576508
That dwarf is so dwarf he has a dwarf of himself on his shield. He's fucking dwarf.
>>43576431
>www.pastebin.com/8rnyAa1
>Tragedy of McDeth
That made me laugh far more than it should have.
Hey, me and my friend want to start fantasy. What's a good (cheap) way to start? We're both fluff gamers and never go to tourneys, so that doesn't matter. I wanted to go beastmen or some type of elf (whichever is least terrible to play against) and he's probably going to go dwarfs. Any tips on how to do this cheap and fun?
What actually are the human gods?
And what do people in Tilea, Estalia and Araby worship?
>>43577131
Try to start with 750 points, it shouldn't be too expensive for beastmen (just didn't buy boar model it's ugly).
>>43577151
>And what do people in Tilea, Estalia and Araby worship?
Not sure about Aradym but in Non-Europe Old World pantheon is main religion (except some local beliefs like Sigmar, Ursol and Lady).
>>43577151
Morr, god of death, Ulric, god of winter, Randal (or w/e he's called), god of luck and rogues, Shallya, goddess of healing, Myrmidia, goddess of warfare, Sigmar, god of germans.
Tileans and Estalians worship Myrmidia and Shallya, Imperials worship mainly Sigmar and Ulric. Arabians probably worship Nehekharan gods, like Ptra, Usiryan and others (who, according to End Times, are just different names for Imperial gods, but we can disregard that)
>>43577195
Ursol? I thought the main Kislevite deity was Ursun?
>>43577178
Ok, got any tips for starting dwarfs at 750?
>>43577151
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Old_World_pantheon
>>43577252
>Ursol? I thought the main Kislevite deity was Ursun?
Ooops, looks like my mistake.
>>43577206
>Tileans and Estalians worship Myrmidia and Shallya,
And Morr.
>>43577206
>"By the luck of Randal!"
Wish I knew someone named Randal, I'd use this a lot
Coming from a D&D background (2nd~5th, skipped 4), and someone who LOVES the video games (theme, feel, art, etc.) how do I into Warhammer Fantasy tabletop?
Okay so I am totally new to Fantasy so forgive me here, but I am tryna do a Warriors of Chaos army here. My two favorites from 40k are Thousand Sons and Word Bearers, and since there are no cultists/Apostles here for a Word Bearer style army, I decided to try to make a Tzeentchian Warriors of Chaos army akin to the Thousand Sons.
2949 points
>Chaos Lord - 702 points
Mark of Tzeentch
Great Weapon
Shield
Chaos Dragon
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Armor of Destiny
Dawnstone
>Exalted Hero - 250 points
Mark of Tzeentch
Disc of Tzeentch
Battle Standard Bearer
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Enchanted Shield
>Chaos Sorcerer - 290 points
Level 2 Wizard
Mark of Tzeentch
Disc of Tzeetnch
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Conjoined Homonculus
Enchanted Shield
Talisman of Preservation
Dispell Scroll
>3x 15 Warriors of Chaos - 275 points x3
Mark of Tzeentch
Shield
Banner of Swiftness
>18 Chosen - 377 points
Mark of Tzeentch
Shields
Banner of Swiftness
>2x Chaos Warshrine - 150 points x2
Mark of Tzeentch
>Hellcannon - 205 points
Not sure what to spend the last 50 points on. Anyway, plan here's that everyone does close range combat while sorcerer and hellcannon give ranged support. Oh and this is still for 8th edition not AoS btw.
>>43577422
I'd just start with the core book for 2nd edition. There's a third edition but it's difficult to play online and controversial in the WFRP community.
I GM a 2nd edition game and have compiled a player packet of all the most important publications, fan supplements, instructions on how to use them, and house rules that experience has shown me are improvements. You're free to take a look
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ruu3d89kd35ky8e/AAC3unZCQrk5QaPFe7dWpVFza?dl=0
Remember that WFRP is about creating a random character and exploring the story organically, not about making your ideal. It can be done that way but takes some of the flavor away.
![99800201021_WoCVilitch01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/czk71J5.jpg "99800201021_WoCVilitch01[1].jpg")
>>43577448
What models are you planning on using? I see the Sorc has a Conjoined Homonculus; were you thinking Vilitch the Curseling?
>>43577490
>Remember that WFRP is about creating a random character and exploring the story organically, not about making your ideal. It can be done that way but takes some of the flavor away.
Can you expound on that?
>>43577553
Yeah I was planning on using a differently painted/equipped ViIlitch cuz the idea of the sorc is basically Vilitch but I don't think his stats look that great. Not sure what model to use for the Chaos Lord with all the gear he has. The rest has all typical Tzeentch stuff that's easy for me to do.
Oh and the sorc doesn't have Enchanted shield cuz that would be going over the magic item pts. rule. As a result I spent the last few points on giving my Exalted Hero Stream of Corruption, a Sword of Sift Slaying, and the Lichbone and Gleaming Pennants coming out to 2999 points.
>>43577553
Oh and is his model placable on a Tzeentch disk? Otherwise I might just take a regular sorc and get him like a marauder or Vilitch arm for the CH.
>>43577448
>>3x 15 Warriors of Chaos - 275 points x3
Don't think that so many warriors worth it.
Also, what's your plan on 2 warshrines?
>>43577815
Of course. Just glue his feet to the disk. Since the model doesn't come with one it makes sense to just make your own. It's pretty simple, as pic related shows
>>43577831
I need to hit at least 750 points of core units so that's why I have that many Warriors.
Plan with 2 Warshrines is gonna be all about strategic placement for them. I am obviously not as familiar with Fantasy tactics as I am 40k, and I am running Tzeentch based army so I gave them MoTs just in case I suck ass at placement. Meant mostly for Chosen pairing for some comboing.
>>43577888
Awesome. Yeah I already know my way around discs. One of my 40k armies is Thousand Sons with sorcs and heralds and whatnot on discs so yeah.
>>43577206
Jesus christ. Randal? RANDAL? YOU MISTAKE THE ORIGINAL RNGESUS FOR FUCKING RANDAAAALLLL?!
You're also missing a few. Lemme drop some knowledge on anybody looking for the Original Pantheon of the Old World (sans Sigmar). I should note that Tilea/Estalia primarily worship Myrmidia. There are northern (german) gods and southern (greek) gods, but they're not exclusive.
>Northern
Rhya - Fertility Goddess. Wife of Taal
Taal - God of Hunters and Nature, Patron god of Talabheim (hence the name)
Ulric - God of Winter/Wolves/Warriors, Patron god of Middenheim, Younger Brother of Taal
Manaan - God of the Sea, Son of Taal and Rhya
"Mannslieb" - The Good Moon. Name literally means "Beloved of Manaan" because her movements pull him this way and that.
>Southern
Morr - God of Death
Verena - Goddess of Justice and Knowledge, Wife of Morr
Myrmidia - Goddess of War, one of Morr's daughters
Shallya - Goddess of Peace/Healing, Morr's other daughter
Ranald - God of Tricksters, Thieves, and Gamblers. A mortal who tricked Shallya into elevating him to godhood.
Khaine - God of Bloody Battle and Murder, Morr's younger brother.
>>43577763
>Can you expound on that
If you look through the Careers sections of the various books you'll notice that they are wildly imbalanced. You have a much better chance of randomly rolling a peasant, dung collector, rat catcher, charcoal burner, etc, than you do of a knight, soldier, wizard, or anything else traditionally useful. Still chances are that someone in your group will roll a better career than you. The reason for this imbalance and unfairness is that life is unbalanced, life is unfair. WFRP is all about taking lowly commoners, nobodies, and making them into somebodies. There's a reason that its mascot is the Rat Catcher career.
You can certainly let your players roll whatever they want, playing the more DnD way. But that distracts from the way the game was designed and its core intentions.
Realms of Sorcery has this quote on magic users
>"Best to burn 'em all. 'cept the fire wizards. Them yer need to drown." - Old Hob, Averland Peasant
Does being a Bright Wizard render you immune to fire?
>>43578924
Eventually yes. Further on, they actually embody and are even healed by fire.
The winds of magic influence the very substance of the body, when you focus on one particular branch. Most commonly, you'd think of necromancers becoming pallid and sickly looking from basically soaking in death magic.
Guys, what's the most warhammer fantasy thing you have ever seen?
>>43579240
There's a pretty awesome illustration by Dave Gallagher i think which shows a procession of Morr or some other kind of religious event. Can't remember which book it was it, but it definitely qualifies.
>>43579240
IRL or art or what?
IRL, My grandparents have the skull of some great uncle on mine (a priest and missionary), guilded in gold, with Latin prayers engraved on it, sitting in the reliquary of the family altar in the ancestral house.
Nana was also real big on bringing back corpus relics for the great grand babies.
If we're talking art, pic relaterd.
>>43579240
>>43579361
>IRL, My grandparents have the skull of some great uncle on mine (a priest and missionary), guilded in gold, with Latin prayers engraved on it, sitting in the reliquary of the family altar in the ancestral house.
>>43579361
>Oversized pointy hood
>Checker print
>Wavy badsunz dags
>Skaven
>Skeletons
>WTFISGOINGON layout
>Looks like it would be awesome airbrushed on the side of a van.
Thats pretty fucking warhammer.
>>43579426
Old school catholics are pretty brutal
>>43579240
>>43577935
Also
>Gods of Order
Solkan-The Angry Lord of Retribution and Vengeance
Arianka - Goddess of Law and Discipline
Somorphia – Law Goddess of Beauty and Perfection (daughter of Arianka and Solkan)
Alluminas – Law God of Light and Enlightenment
Obscuras – Law God of Darkness and Shadows
if a warrior in my marienburg warband has an axe, buckler, and dagger he comes with free- can this warrior attack with his sword then dagger in close combat or sword only because of the buckler?
Is there a penalty for attacking with dual weapons (1 hand weapon / dagger etc.)?
>>43580209
No penalties for two weapons, but you can't use sword and dagger due to buckler.
>>43580445
thanks for help, is it better to axe/ buckler on warriors or sword/ buckler on swrodsmen or both?
This is what im thinking for my starting band of Marienburgers:
Heroes
======
Captain - 60g - sword, shield - 15g
Champion - 35g - 2-hand weapon - 15g
Champion - 35g - 2-hand weapon - 15g
Youngblood - 15g - sword, pistol - 25g
Youngblood - 15g - sword. pistol - 25g
Henchmen
=========
Swordsmen - 35g -sword, buckler 15g
Swordsmen - 35g - sword,buckler 15g
Swordsmen - 35g - sword, buckler 15g
Warrior - 25g - axe, buckler 10g
Warrior - 25g - axe, buckler 10g
Warrior - 25g - axe, buckler 10g
90g left over out of 600 (mareinburg get extra 100 in campaign)
I know thiers no ranged, but i think i can get in close and parry/reroll my way to victory
What are the best WFRP books?
Where should I look for lore on the New World?
Our threadly topic!
What are you working on, /whfb/? Tells us about your current projects! Show us we ain't dead yet!
>>43579464
>Old school catholics are pretty brutal
Jesus loves you, have some dead person parts.
>>43580209
You have to declare per turn. Axe+ Dagger OR axe+buckler OR Dagger +buckler.
>>43580661
Pretty much all of them, even the campaign books are gold, but the Bestiary is by far the best.
>>43580822
Trying to find some old warmaster peasants and free company.
>>43580822
Finished my Troglodon, it's a gorgeous model, too bad it's so shit on the table, but I love it.
>>43580604
so, I don't recommend doing a perfectly optimized mordheim gang, because I think it's less fun, but here we go:
Drop all the bucklers/shields, you get parry from swords. replace them with maces, that 2-4 stun is top.
give everyone 2 weapons, ideally 2 maces or sword/mace.
I like giving my captain a helmet and two dueling pistols but that may not be optimal.
give your heroes helmets! thats the main bonus of marienburg imo, that you essentially get free helmets.
buy some damn ranged! crossbow if you have a high toughness meta, and bow if you are cheap/have rat troubles.
spend all your starting gold. just do it.
>>43579240
There's this bit of old Tomb Kings art of them just cleaning out a city of every living thing, there's these huge undead constructs that you look at and say "I wanna stat that." I can't find it any more and that makes me sad.
When exactly did they stop painting the bases goblin green.
>>43581028
And why
hi friends been out of the game since 2003
what happened to dogs of war?
>>43581082
Removed a long time ago.
And recently, the entire game was removed.
>>43581068
Changing from green to brown clearly ruined everything.
>>43577151
The human gods are real gods.
Folks in Tilea are partial to Myrmidia, who's kinda Athena-ish. Araby durkas worship a single god with many expressions, probably an Allah expie.
>>43577946
This guy's right. I think it's worthwhile to at least TRY to roll randomly for career.
>>43580923
I was worried about having dual mace / sword, mace would be too pwoer gamey and make people mad (I've never played mordheim and this also a group ive just met) so i figured sword buckler may be more friendly.
I'll go add some marksmen to this and helmets
>>43581249
if you don't want to power game, give your swordsmen shields. imo they're more flavourful than bucklers (the box has shields, not bucklers) and you can get that 6+ save (lame I know). also, you get parry from swords, so its ok
>>43580944
Was it in an armybook? Or a rulebook?
The only image that gets to my mind is by blanche, fairly recent though, 8th ed rulebook, with bone giants, bone giant sneks, scorps, elephants and crocodilian mounts for the mummies assaulting what looks like an imperial city by the enormous griffins
>>43581327
Yeah that's it! I guess it wasn't old and it just had an old style about it.
>>43577206
>who, according to End Times, are just different names for Imperial gods
This was never mentioned in the End Times.
>>43577935
Rhya at the very least is no longer the wife of Taal in the End Times, rather Shallya is his wife or lover.
Any relation between Khaine and the human gods is also likely non-existent.
>>43581603
Khaine used to be worshiped by assassins in Old World WHRP.
>>43580661
There is no expansion for Lustria or Naggaroth unfortunately. For information on those you'll have to turn to novels and WHFB.
>>43580822
Just got a new job so I'm able to afford all the paints I've been needing to finish my Skaven. Only question I have is which greens and which blues I should get to have a rounded selection.
>>43580886
>fielding sub-optimal units for flavor
Playing WHFB right
>>43581028
>>43581068
Green bases are a relic of the old cartoon-y Warhammer, fitting for the 90s but not at all past that.
>>43581082
Technically Dogs of War can still be fielded but there hasn't been any support for them since 2005 and nobody bothers.
>>43579308
pic related?
>>43580944
>>43581327
>>43581401
This'un?
>>43581603
>Rhya at the very least is no longer the wife of Taal in the End Times, rather Shallya is his wife or lover.
WHAT?
>>43581979
In Glottkin Shallya is the one by Taal's side as he lays dying from the plagues unleashed upon the Empire by the Glottkin, Gutrot Spume, and the Maggoth Lords. Shallya is referred to as his lover and Taal as her lover.
>>43581979
You found it!
Truly it is Talk Shit get Hit: The Image.
>>43581908
>not at all
6th edition came out in 2000, they still had green bases well into that. And it was good.
>>43576508
Dwarfs used to have wizards?
>>43582797
The 1st edition WHFRP book mentions, amusingly, that some dwarfen expats violate the ban on wizardry (not only ludicrous now, but not even possible, I think, outside of worshiping Hashut).
>>43582797
I think it's some kind of extremely volatile rune magic, though unfortunately I have no sources. Someone...?
Also based Kopinski made and makes the best art ever
>>43583133
6th and 7th edition had some of the best art.
>>43583349
>>43581948
good to know where would I find the rules
I'm obviously not investing more money to play the game but I would totally play my
DoW again
What the best way to start tomb kings ?
>>43581603
What the fuck? When did that bullshit happen? Why would they fuck up their own fluff? Shallya has nothing to do with Taal.
>>43583607
Light Chariots.
Light Chariots for days.
>>43583133
>>43583349
Kopinski and Smith are simply the best,
>>43583614
GW forgot how gods work, I think Taal cheating on his wife is the least of their problems. The writers were given a few bullet points and told to write a story, and that was that.
>>43583643
Agreed. Blanche is shit at anything that isn't spooky backgrounds.
>>43583652
I don't think it's about cheating on Rhya. I think they just fucking forgot.
>>43583619
Looks like my pile of chariots and tomb king in chariot from 5th.
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>>43583707
It wouldn't surprise me.
>>43583643
Paul Dainton is based too.
After reading a bunch about Imperial wizards, I have to say they don't sound like a fun thing to be, in an RPG or for real. The strictures of the College system seems to mean that the only viable way to play a wizard, in 2e anyway, is as a Hedge Wizard or related
>>43584205
Playing a wizard just means you have to follow the rules of the Colleges and not shoot off your mouth at everyone you see. It's more about being subtle than a murder hobo. And if you play as a Hedge Wizard, you have absolutely no legal protection if someone finds out. The Colleges at least don't like the Witch Hunters cleaning up their dirty laundry.
>>43583918
Fuck, thanks for the name, anon!
(I never saw it in the border of that one).
Is there any online gallery of his work?
Spell weaver and hero on great eagle will be good choice for 1k WE army?
>>43584278
Sadly no, you can only google it.
>>43583652
It's always funny to see people say that GW forgot something.
GW decided that Shallya made more sense for whatever reason and went with her, possibly a combination Shallya being the truth behind Poxfulcrum and because Rhya seemingly hasn't been mentioned outside of old RPG books in years (Said books also apparently being her origin), though she does have a temple in Altdorf according to the map in Glottkin.
>>43584278
Also hirez.
>>43584468
And that's mean "they forgot their own fluff", they always was able to change some things without "nah we just decide to rewrote this part, so forget about anything else, from previous book".
Also, there were anon from the previous thread with picture of Alluminos priest, is he still with us?
Changing things just to suit the story at hand is bad writing.
Can I play a goblin in the WHFRPG?
>>43584555
I don't see how deciding to purposefully pass over a "character" that was mostly in the RPG books is the same as forgetting.
>>43584682
Because it's remove potential from fluff evolution for one unimportant story.
>>43584792
Firmir and Zoats.
>>43577131
>cheap
In all honesty, GW products arent gonna be your best bet.
>>43583643
Damn, this may be my favourite Nurgle pic.
>>43584807
Actually both of those made a return, Zoats in Storm of Magic and Fimir in Monstrous Arcanum.
>>43584843
Well holy shit, it only took how many years?
>>43580886
Damn, that's a nice lookin model.
>>43579464
>Old school catholics are pretty brutal
>''I disembowel you for Christ's love.''
Get rekt
>>43584662
>Can I play a goblin in the WHFRPG?
No, there are no stats for Greenskins, Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, or Lizardmen. Every other intelligent race is represented, and even some of the races I mentioned have "fan" statblocks created unofficially by the original authors in their spare time. I have not seen any for goblins though
>>43586086
I don't think you really need additional statblocks for Dark Elves or Chaos Dwarfs.
>>43583652
>Agreed. Blanche is shit at anything that isn't spooky backgrounds
You're not getting blanche's art then: He's not about well executed art but atmosphere and concepts experimentation, not too different from jes, though jes is cleaner and more focused
>>43584662
>>43586086
>>43586136
I know for a fact that greenskins are covered in the Bestiary, and im fairly certain darkelves and chaos dwarves are in tomb of corruption.
>>43584807
>>43584843
>>43584892
Fimir never left. They always still existed in WHFRP and the card game.
>>43585092
>Jesus loves you, but God wants you in the front left pew.
>>43586395
Blanche art does have its place in the setting though.
What's the fluff situation in Lustria? Does the Empire send people there? Anyone there but Lizardmen?
>>43586843
There was a whole campaign about Marco Collumbo's discovered land.
*Estalian/Empire/Tilean explorers/traders
*Pirates
*Norse Colonies
*Vampire Pirates
*Amazons (all women tribes descendant of lost Norse colonies)
*Native humans (originally pygmies back in the 80s, but now just regular tribal people)
pic related
>>43586902
Cont.
>>43586907
Fin.
>>43581603
>This was never mentioned in the End Times.
it is implied, since Usiryan appears to be Morr (when Naggy nomnoms Usyrian, Morr disappears)
>>43586902
That image reminds me that I used to play "spot the chameleon skinks" for every page of the book of lustria
Oh and you forgot about savage greenskins who are present here for example >>43586907
Interesting thing is that before the 8th edition, aracnarok spiders were mostly a lustrian creature iirc
>>43587043
Where were arachnarok spiders mentioned prior to 8th?
>>43586902
There's also a high elven outpost on the southern tip of Lustria called the Citadel of Dusk
One of things that almost attracted me to KoW was ability to actually make awesome Disciples II style dwarfs.
8th/9th don't allow dwarfs to have neither wizards, nor giants, nor giant wizards (or wizard giants). But I still want muh grimdark grimdark Disciples II dwarfs!
What should I do?
>>43587401
Well, you can deploy big dwarves in 9th age.
>>43587507
they are lowly monstrous infantry
I need actual monsters. who, preferably, can hurl lightning bolts.
>>43587401
By lore dwarves don't cast magic because channeling it directly slowly turns them to stone.
There's chaos dwarves who have wizards, but they don't have any official army rules, there's some semi-official (as in I think I downloaded these off the GW website once upon a time.) and given that they keep slaves one could imagine they could have slave giant's in their army.
>>43587552
They're also aligned with chaos so dragon ogre's which are kinda lightning related.
Of course, there are few models and they might be more grimdark than you're looking for.
>>43584555
But they forget their own fluff.
At least Cathay,Araby etc were "squatted" by Skaven
There was no single mention of Hellens or Sparta or even Nippon
>>43587634
>Ledion, King of Sparta
>M4 WS6 BS4 S4 T4 W3 A3 I3 Ld10
>Has HKB on 2+ in challenges if within 3" of a well.
looking through mantic webstore, I noticed some awesome vampire infantry.
this got me thinking - wouldn't it be cool to use vampire models for Grave Guard bunker for Castelstein vampire (which would be able to march)? maybe with some nice magic banner, so they are more up to par with vampires
Reading the Ogre book again makes me feel really sorry for giants.
>>43587737
yeah...former sky-titans
>>43587737
>>43587809
Didn't they get eaten?
>>43580822
converting a bunch of Branchwraiths and upgrading some dryad champs so they look cooler
>>43587825
Had their entire kingdom overrun and destroyed, after it had survived through the very early days of Old One settlement, the remainder were enslaved or eaten by the Ogres who displaced them, the survivors barely had a surviving population for them to survive, resulting in generations of inbreeding leading to their current day idiocy and melancholic nature.
The literal reason they spend so much time drinking is because A)Their brains are so fucked up from their inbreeding that their heads always hurt and B) It hurts to remember their fall from glory.
Sky Titans are like mountains or something these days.
>>43587872
Grimderp is grim.
>>43587895
I would not say its full grimderp.
But it is pretty grim.
>>43587961
>The first race to invent cannons (giant sized cannons)
>got beaten by club wielding retards
No, it's pretty derp.
>>43587972
Where is it stated they had cannons?
And it does not matter if you are bigger, smarter and have cannons if you are outnumbered hundreds to one by hungry people fleeing an apocalypse.
>>43587986
>Where is it stated they had cannons?
Orge armybook.
>>43587986
Especially of those hungry people have magic and can rip your arms off with their bare hands. Ogres are retard-strong, even for their considerable size.
>>43587993
>Thus began what the Ogres call the War in the Sky, pitting the last surviving Ogre tribes against the Sky-titans. Always the attackers, the Ogres surrounded and besieged each peak while the Sky-titans defended their castles with enormous cannons, their largest and most loyal herd beasts and, finally, their vast bodies stomping upon Ogres or snatching them up and hurling them great distances so they plummeted through the clouds and fell many miles to their deaths.
Stronger, bigger, and with better tech.
>>43587993
>>43588013
Its still not unrealistic for them to lose.
The Empire has cannons and Greenskins sack their cities when they get the numbers. Even Nuln has been taken by orcs.
>>43587986
Pic related
>>43579240
church of bones in Czech Republic
the place is medieval and looked like this always, so it ain't some sissy modern gothic installation
>>43576431
>Mordheim: City of the Damned
Goddamit I want to play this so badly.
But I'm trying to wait until it leaves Early Access, it should be coming out soon right?
>>43588767
>it should be coming out soon right?
If I remember correct then yes.
The only downside to it is the limited amount of warbands in the game so far.
what is better, to make a balanced army (i.e. some shooters, some tarpits, some cavalry, some magic users, etc.), or strongly capitalize on one-two strengths (i.e. go full cavalry, or heavy magic, or all-out shooting), with just minimum amount of necessary stuff (i.e. dispel scroll, 1 tarpit, one warmachine hunter, etc.)
>>43588964
Depends on faction. For Empire first will be better, while for elves second because they are OP.
Also.
>FO4 release
>Vermintide have close to 5k online
wow.
>>43589033
>FO4
>Vermintide
>Undertale
Such games, no money, and little will to pirate.
Where did all my friends go?
>>43589033
must be people like me, who don't give a flying crap about F4
I love goblins but christ, I do not want to paint that many models.
Guess I should waste points on wacky things, giants and trolls.
>>43589033
>Depends on faction
what about VC?
>>43588955
What rules does it use? Vanilla? Coreheim? Its own?
>>43589223
I knew a guy who just painted all his gobos a base color and would come to each session with one or two more finished each time
>>43589584
Its heavily based on the tabletop but its not exactly a direct 100% adaptation so its own. Not sure how to briefly summarize the differences between them in a post.
Currently has 4 warbands (Merc, Sisters of Sigmar, Skaven, Chaos) and has SP and MP play modes.
>>43589726
That's good enough, I was just concerned it was based on Coreheim or one of the other fan variants that are too serious
>>43589737
Is Coreheim and these other fan variants like the
>>Xcom: Long War
of the Mordheim tabletop game?
>>43589785
Super srs for super srs gamers version of the tabletop
Since we're talking about Mordheim what is Anon's favorite official warband from it? Also any favored hired swords?
>>43584841
Personally this is mine.
>>43590252
Pirates, if we're talking pre-sg, probably the posessed.
Bounty Hunters a best
talking of Mordheim, what's /whfb/'s opinion of Frostgrave?
>>43583643
>>43583918
>>43584278
>>43586917
This reminds me why I dislike AoS art so much.
It's simply too clean. I want mt grime and grit like the old art.
>>43590603
I just learned about it right now and I'm mildly interested. Really depends how the fluff is for me.
>>43590603
I'm not a fan of wizards being in charge of everything.
>>43590676
fluff is rather basic, AFAIK
there was a city of wizards, then one wizard's spell went wrong and whole city froze for centuries
now it started to thaw, and wizards from all over the world come with mercenaries to plunder its magic treasures
they obviosly wanted the fluff to be as generic as possible, so people don't feel restrained. you want Mordheim, you just say the campaign happens in Mordheim.
>>43590711
takes little homebrewing to get rid of that. just put a soldier with better stats in charge.
What was Khaine's end game in the End Times? Was he working with the Chaos Gods? His entire purpose it seems was to screw off the Elves.
>>43591560
>Was he working with the Chaos Gods?
Nope. He just became non-Chaos Khorne in fluff.
>>43587005
Nothing is said to imply there is any connection, it's just as likely Morr simply played no part.
>>43587634
Less likely forgotten and more likely of no real consequence. Let's not pretend that Fantasy was focused on anything but notEurope when it came to humans.
>>43591662
Nagash completely usurped human afterlife after nomnomming Usy. meaning he either nomnommed Morr off-screen, or Morr was Usy.
>>43591662
The fact that Nagash suddenly controlled all Underworld and the fact that all the dead belonged to Nagash implies that Morr is ded.
Furthermore in the Realm of Shyish in AoS which is a collection of all Underworlds, there is a place called Morr's Fall or something, It's mentioned in the "Sands of Red" audiobook. It further implies that Mor no longer is with us.
Why do you love to be a contrarian?
>>43591662
>and more likely of no real consequence.
Because..?
>Let's not pretend that Fantasy was focused on anything but notEurope when it came to humans.
At least 1 ed. have special units and characters for Cathay.
>>43591751
>It further implies that Mor no longer is with us.
How?
>>43591787
He has fallen.
Nagash controls all the Underworlds as the only god of death in the multiverse.
>>43591808
>He has fallen.
How AoS fluff related with this discussion?
>multiverse
Few realms =/= multiverse.
Aww cmon you guys are making me sad, do we really have to discuss the CRISIS ON WARHAMMER EARTH / AoS stuff here?
>>43591829
>How AoS fluff related with this discussion?
it's End Times fluff, not AoS and
>>43581603
>This was never mentioned in the End Times.
your words that started discussion
>>43591829
Go away slavfag.
>>43591662
>Less likely forgotten and more likely of no real consequence
Josh Reynolds does mention their fate in his answer.fm. Though, not sure if what he write can be considered canon.
>>43591846
>it's End Times fluff, not AoS
>Furthermore in the Realm of Shyish in AoS which is a collection of all Underworlds, there is a place called Morr's Fall or something,
>your words that started discussion
It was different anon.
>>43591875
still, it started the discussion, so End Times fluff IS relevant to it
>>43591857
>Go away slavfag
Wut?
>>43591844
Yes.
We want to know what happened to the Warhammer gods in the End Times.
>>43591685
He usurped the Nehekharan Underworld, which again was never implied to be for anyone but worshipers of Usyrian.
Again, they likely couldn't really think of any role for Morr to play and so just didn't bother with him. You could also hypothesize that like Ereth Khial, Morr was somehow destroyed when Nagash tore Shyish free of the Great Vortex.
>>43591751
I'm talking about the End Times and more specifically the claim that Usyrian and Morr were the same being, no where am I arguing that Morr is still around in AoS. How Nagash gained control of all the underworlds is not documented, meaning that Morr could have been destroyed at any point between the End Times and AoS.
>>43591758
>Because..?
Because they had five total books in which they had to tell a story and do certain things. Under such circumstances there are inevitably going to be items deemed not worthy of going into.
>At least 1 ed. have special units and characters for Cathay.
Oh wow, one edition. Doesn't change the fact that Cathay was really never focused on and was nothing more than background noise.
>>43591857
I personally don't consider it canon because it's obvious from a few things that the BL writers were not really involved in the process. There is no reason to take his writings as anything more than something come up with on a whim.
Multiverse?
>>43591889
>so End Times fluff IS relevant to it
Okay, but there is no Realm of Shyish in ET, so as "Morr's Fall".
>>43591900
>Because they had five total books in which they had to tell a story and do certain things.
We talking about 5 books of event which was designed by Ward he actually never care about other fluff except his own.
>Under such circumstances there are inevitably going to be items deemed not worthy of going into.
So, we shouldn't discuss any previous fluff, because last writer ignored them?
>Doesn't change the fact that Cathay was really never focused on and was nothing more than background noise.
Yeah, and chaos dwarves was nothing more than background noise.
>>43591560
Khaine is the god of murder and bloody battle. I'm pretty sure he's always just been an aspect of Khorne.
>>43591973
>So, we shouldn't discuss any previous fluff, because last writer ignored them?
I gave a reason for why I believe certain things were not focused on in the End Times books, I never said a damn thing about what could or could not be talked about.
>Yeah, and chaos dwarves was nothing more than background noise.
Seems like they really were before FW did something with them in Tamurkhan, though you could argue that even then they weren't equal with the other factions.
How much insight into them did we really receive after they stopped getting books, other than that they were responsible for the creation and operation of Hellcannons and the forging of Chaos armor?
>>43590603
I like it because the rules are simple and I get to use loads of minis I never had a use for.
I also get off on converting stuff.
So I'm gonna convert some cool skellies for my necromancer.
Thing is you could play FG in any setting really. There are no factions to speak of and the fluff is very open.
If you are interested in background there is a collection of short stories about FG.
>>43592075
>I gave a reason for why I believe certain things were not focused on in the End Times books
Or they wasn't in ET just because ET was maded by mediocre writers who have one purpose "finish the setting".
>Seems like they really were before FW did something with them in Tamurkhan,
>implying they didn't have own army before FW
>How much insight into them did we really receive after they stopped getting books,
How they could be insight without their books? How many attention have Sigmar's person in 8th ed before AoS books?
Also, Thorpe is that you?
>Be kid me, visit Geedubs store with my dad
>See fantasy warhams boxes, be uninterested because they looked like they were for old people and made dad buy me space marines
>fast forward to today, thousands of points of fantasy minis and two armies later
I was wrong
oh so wrong
At least I know how the spess mehreen and aos kiddos feel like
>>43592418
what is this image supposed to mean and why you people post it all the time?
>>43592418
I think spess mehreens are pretty neat, they only lost their appeal to me because it felt like they were being shoved down my throat
>>43592444
Freedom ain't free, alright
>>43592444
basically what happens to a meme when it hits critical mass and becomes a hyper radioactive dwarf
>>43592444
Imagine a world where EVERYONE was Murrican.
Imagine it.
>>43592531
I almost did when I tried to move to UK and found I just arrived to fucking 51st state. Oh, the horror.
>>43587634
>There was no single mention of Hellens or Sparta or even Nippon
I have been playing WHFB since 2007 and I have never once heard of Hellens or Sparta. There isn't even a place for them on the map. not!Greece is split between Tilea and the Border Princes. I think you're making this up.
>>43591758
>At least 1 ed. have special units and characters for Cathay.
Which edition, and which units?
>>43592585
What gave you that impression?
>>43592786
>Which edition,
1
>and which units?
Soryy dude, lost my pack with oldhammer.
And now you will posts that's cathay never was as something important in setting because I didn't have any examples.
>>43592613
Shady and obscure wikis mention them along with Gods of Law and ed1 WFRP rules.
As far as I remember they revere Myrmidia as their primary god and are divided into city-states.
Also they may have been destroyed long time ago by something. Can't provide you source anyway
>>43592844
But... Anglos are Germanic, that is the whole point. Before the invasion it was just Celtic Britons.
>>43592998
I will amend my file name.
>>43591898
They all died or stopped having power over things and may as well be dead anyway
The argument is moot
They really did get down the medieval style of writing down battles for the Bretonnia army book didn't they.
Five thousand score greenskins my arse.
from ELVES OF NATURE armybook
>Aspect of the Entwined Roots 70 pts
>After deployment, choose a unit of Dryads or Treefolk. This unit has +1 Strength as long as the wearer is alive.
would this affect characters deployed in said units? 'cos right now it would make a regular dryad have higher S than a branchwraith in same unit
>>43591846
End Times fluff exists only to segue into Age of Autism. Same way for Battletech that the Jihad only served to force in the Dork Age.
It's fake canon, basically, to sell toys to little kids.
>>43594743
I dont think it affects anyone joining the unit with that wording in place, just the dryads
>>43596637
Also for 70pts that sounds like an awful investment unless fielding a FUCKHUEG lot of tree dudes
>>43596637
I think that RAW it would affect those who joins the unit. It does specifies the type of unit that is affected but ultimately it flatly says "the unit gains +1 strength" which affects everyone in the unit, rank & files or not.
>>43579464
Kemmler was the very first Warhammer character.
Anything with him screams Warhammer at the top of its lungs.
His plight echoes the game.
>>43598237
I thought Josef Bugman was first.
>>43598322
Shit, he may be.
I'll have to check.
Kemmler would be the first villain then.
>>43579240
>>43577935>humans stealing our gods
How predictable.
>>43601635
So going to run my first game of warhammer fantasy second edition, just how much coin should I have out there as a potential reward for a successful adventure?
>>43601874
So this is a tough question. The economy in WHFRP is pretty whack. Here's a quote from a review on the Old World Armoury:
> The second book-wide problem that persists in OWA is one that was first noticed by some players after the publication of the core book. Particularly in light of the wage listings given in both the core book and OWA, many players feel that the prices for many common goods (such as slings and rowboats) are grossly inflated- by a factor of 10 or more. This has turned into one of those polarizing issues on the WFRP boards that gaming geeks love to turn red in the face over- on the order of the great 'would the Federation be able to beat the Empire' debates of the previous decades. And just like most of these debates, it's largely pointless. By and large, if you are just running a game and not worrying about the internal consistency of marginalia, you will never encounter any sort of real problem with the pricing lists. If you're intent on running a more detailed chronicle, say running a business and keeping track of every hay-penny your players spend, you might find yourself stressing out over the fact that, according to the published rules, only an Elector Counts can afford to buy or furnish a house, and only if he buys a small house and does it a little at a time.
The core book emphasizes that coin should only rarely be given as a reward, with influence, contacts, or items being much more appropriate for the setting. If you do want to reward coin then there are fan-made rebalances of the economy. I have not studied any to see just how their changes influence the game but I was just about to, starting with this one:
http://documents.mx/documents/wfrp-2nd-oth-revised-equipment-tables.html
>>43601874
Too many variables, how experienced are they with RP what's the group size vs monster power, what are their classes what is the goal / setting of the adventure
iirc some of the modules had example exchange rates
>>43602857
I assume you found this somewhere?
>>43602869
All fairly experienced in rp, and somewhat experienced or very much experienced with the setting.
Either of you something I could contact you with? It would be great to talk to someone about this.
>>43603060
The aforementioned review of OWA includes a dead link to a similar document, so I started googling and found that one and one other. There could be more, I stopped looking to analyze these two first. The other one I found unsuitable, but this one appears promising at first glance
And sure, you can contact me at the name field.
![capitan[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/69bfOPs.jpg "capitan[1].jpg")
Anyone here bought from "Black Chapel Miniatures" before?
http://blackchapelminiatures.com/en/6-online-shop
I just found them and their models for Dwarfs, Empire, and Kislev are pretty spot-on. Fairly expensive though. Not sure how they compare size-wize either. Looks to be 28mm heroic but idk
I'm sure I've seen it somewhere, but does anyone know where to find the rules for the ritual for a gold wizard to do the whole transmute body parts into gold thing?
>>43596811
well, they did bring Dryads back to S4, so they are really worth fielding now
also, with another Aspect (the one only general can pick) you get to give Dryads and Treekin standard bearers and musicians, so you can field an all-tree army.
>>43597857
that's what I thought
I wonder if it stacks though... take two Treemen, give them this aspect, have some S6 Dryads...
>>43587737
Wow the WHFB map looks a lot like Earth...
>>43603639
no shit
>>43603639
Assuming you're new. The Old Ones are explicitly stated to have created a planetary template ideal for the generation of life and, upon finding a suitable world, morphed the continents into roughly the same shapes.
oh my god
please be true
>>43603769
I'd forgive them for murdering WHFB if they really do this.
Wait, if LotR is Specialist game now... maybe WHFB will be specialist game too now?
>>43603792
>I'd forgive them for murdering WHFB if they really do this.
also,It's been confirmed as legit by multiple GW locations in Australia
>>43603769
>>43603845
Also by american FB group in Washington.
>>43603845
bah, Australia always has everything upside down, they ain't legit enough for me
>>43603866
that's better, but still far from real deal
I'll cry tears of joy if some UK store really confirms it.
>>43599399
I love how this picture looks, and I love how absurd it is when you take a step back and just look at it. He's not just being a conan-like barbarian in nothing but a loincloth and greaves, smashing monsters in a massive thunderstorm, but he's literally surfing on the orcs.
>>43603899
>surfing on the orcs
if this isn't the definition of badass, I don't know what is
>>43603769
>No Mordheim
Well, Blood Bowl at least.
>>43603951
>And Many Many more
can't be no Mordheim
>>43603951
I put it down to the success of their video game licensing that encouraged them to do it.
>>43603969
I'd shell out for some Sisters of Sigmar.
>>43603792
Nice, but go back to 40k general.
>>43603961
>implying it willn't be new AoS specialist games
>>43603969
>success
Nope
>>43604083
huh? what has 40k to do with this?
>>43604099
>only 40k games was announced
>>43604143
>Blood bowl.
woohoo, Lady Atia confirmed it!
it's like christmas come early!
>>43604145
Blood Bowl is fantasy, no?
>>43604145
Well yeah, but blood bowl just funny spin-off, unlike others SG it's didn't have hard connection with franchise.
>>43604143
>and many more
>>43604173
Well, have a good discussion in GW threads.
>>43604185
So? I didn't see any mentions of WHFB.
>>43604188
one of those "i'm pissed at GW so everyone should boycott them" guys?
sorry, don't share your sentiment.
>>43604195
I'm an optimist. Pretty sure there will be Mordheim and Man-o-war returning.
>>43604203
Oh, I remember you, you are chiken-guy from ET threads. Still you didn't provode any mentions of WHFB what means the news is not related with thtead.
>>43604217
chicken-guy was exactly opposite.
get your /whfb/ lore straight.
>>43604225
Lolwut? Same posting "well guys, I knew that GW close your game, but please suport them, there is no reasons for panic or anti-GW posts".
Also, remind why we need GW Mordheim?
>>43604249
chicken guy was about mocking us for "believing in rumors". which I'm opposite of, since I believe in rumor that Mordheim will come back
I don't see how "supporting" comes into this. They sell minis I need, I buy minis I need. There's no reason to shoot myself in the leg and deprive myself of minis.
And GW Mordheim will have accessible, plastic minis, which won't cost a wealth on ebay and which will be easy to make conversion with.
Also, it will be nice to try to draw my friends into a LIVING game for once. Showing stuff in proper webstore works wonders, when trying to seduce friends with tabletop gaming.
>>43604266
You cannot find online stores with non+GW modles?
>Also, it will be nice to try to draw my friends into a LIVING game for once.
But you and your freinds already have AoS. Who need poor game-designed shit while current Mordheim looks much netter than Coreheim. So stop PRing dor GW.
>>43604225
If you know a bit about your /whfb/ lore, then you would know that you're talikng to the slav warmachine troll,
>>43604300
What?
>>43604284
jeez, what has AoS to do with this?
why do you act like this whole thing has some "loyalty" or "principle" aspect to it? the fact I buy minis from GW doesn't mean I for some reason am interested in their other products. they just sell minis.
>>43604300
ah, I missed latest trolls, was away from 4chan
>>43604313
>jeez, what has AoS to do with this?
Ot's good example of current GW game-design. But of course for few niche games based on franchise which was closed few months ago they will hire new, good game-designers.
>doesn't mean I for some reason am interested in their other products.
But for some reason you need new Mordheim with GW blessing (official status).
>>43604362
To be fair it's going to be separate division, not GW.
>>43603769
>tfw the specialist games team is composed by sculptors and developers unhappy with AoS
>tfw the specialist games team is going to prove how much WHFB and 40k can sell thanks to smaller games and videogame supports
>tfw old world miniatures survive thanks to the specialist games team
>tfw old world warhammer is saved thanks to the specialist games team
>tfw specialist games will be the most based GW thing
Let me dream
