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Why aren't you playing an aasimar/tiefling kitsune with full plate and a greatsword?
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>>48273866
Because I'm playing a TWF'ing Elven vampire harbinger.
Do you want to play a Path of War initiator (full or partial)?
Do you prefer text-only games?
Are you highly tolerant of weeaboo token art?
Do you believe that dedicated roleplaying and heavy optimization are NOT mutually exclusive?
Are you interested in a game set in the bazaar of the bizarre, Katapesh?
If so, then this might be the game for you:
http://pastebin.com/dyRApYW3
There is a catch. This will be a small group with only two players and one GM. One player slot has already been reserved. They are a dedicated roleplayer, but also very meticulous with the rules. You will have to be patient with them. There is only one player slot left.
For more details, send a Skype contact request to: explosive_runes
>>48273887
Fuck off 2hu.
>>48273899
>Banning Broken Blade is pretty much shitting on any guy who wanted to make an unarmed initiator and it's a legit fun to use discipline.
>what is Fool's Errand?
Anyone got homebrew VMC stuff for DSP classes?
>>48273910
Something in playtest that still doesn't really make unarmed competitive with just using a weapon.
Especially when you can just use a weapon with Fools Errand.
>>48273930
>tfw no VMC for stregone
Why the fuck was this thread created do early? For what purpose?
Daily reminder that DSP is turning into Paizo-style fascists every day for nerfing perfectly balanced disciplines into oblivion.
Rising Zenith Strike becoming "lol just Sense Motive to force a hit" with no double damage is garbage. It's worthless if that's the errata.
>>48273899
Now hold on a sec there, Broken Blade IS broken and THAT deserves a nerf.
Anyone who wants to be an unarmed specialist should just go with Fool's Errand.
>>48273931
Some Fool's Errand maneuvers need unarmed attacks.
Because the concept of an oni and a kitsune pairing is a little too weird even for my magical realm.
Oni bloodline teifling for the win.
>>48273943
Fuck off, it's you fucking fun-hating retards who keep complaining they're broken.
>>48273943
>Now hold on a sec there, Broken Blade IS broken and THAT deserves a nerf.
When used with a 2 handed weapon..
It's fucking fine when using unarmed strikes with it.
>>48273943
Thrashing Dragon as a whole discipline will get entirely and utterly worthless if Battle Dragon Stance is nerfed. That stance was the sole saving grace of the discipline, which is almost pure garbage otherwise. Moreover, even the current iteration of Battle Dragon Stance is objectively inferior to Elemental Nimbus, making the sole thought of nerfing it preposterous.
I mean, 2d4 non-stacking easy-to-heal bleed as a 8th level stance? REALLY?
>>48273959
>It's fucking fine when using unarmed strikes with it.
You still get 18d6+unarmed strikes damage at lvl 5 by comboing a stance, a boost, and steel flurry strike.
>>48273952
>Because the concept of an oni and a kitsune pairing
But they can be cute fiendish foxboys.
>>48273943
>MUH SENSE MOTIVE +55 FREE CRITICAL HIT IS TOTALLY FINE
>BUT SOME NIGGAS GOING FULL KENSHIRO, BROKEN
How much would I be shooting myself in the foot if I were to roll up a level 3 character that's an OD Warder that dips Stalker for 1 level?
I want a specific Art really bad.
I think I read that initiator levels stack through multiclassing or something?
Never multiclassed two initiators before. Please advise.
>>48273971
So one maneuver is worth throwing the whole discipline out?
>>48273983
No crits with Rising Zenith Strike.
>>48273952
>>48273977
>>48274040
Is Archer Magus still strong?
My group is missing an arcane character, so i'm considering one.
>>48273887
Alright 2hu, we know you're involved. Are you the player, or the EDM? And is the other person anyone we know? Answers will affect whether you get applicants.
Yo, /pfg/ i have a concept for a my gnome character and i need some help: In his background he was bullied in his town because he has very low magic abilities so i need some advice in class, traits for dealt with mages which also suits a manly gnome, thanks in advance.
>>48273866
Because I'm playing the setting's equivalent of a professional Blood Bowl blitzer.
>>48274054
>>48274059
Eldritch Archer magus is best arcane archer we've ever had. Learn it. Love it.
>>48273943
> Daily reminder that DSP is turning into Paizo-style fascists every day for nerfing perfectly balanced disciplines into oblivion.
> Rising Zenith Strike becoming "lol just Sense Motive to force a hit" with no double damage is garbage. It's worthless if that's the errata.
You wanna tell me where you're getting these ideas from?
>>48273961
We are not certain other companies that will remain nameless. Thrashing Dragon is being approached holistically, with an eye to getting it to fulfill its own niche. Battle Dragon Stance is is too strong as-is, but the other half of the problem is much of the rest of the discipline is awkward, weak, and/or doesn't actually deliver what was promised.
Y'all know how to start my mornings. How's it, /pfg/?
>>48274074
The DM is some kitsune faggot, 2hu is the player. These two things I know for sure.
>>48274095
>the DM is Augunas
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
>>48274095
Hopefully not Colette, because Colette as a GM means every NPC is a gay kitsune shota with mommy issues.
>>48274094
>Battle Dragon Stance is is too strong as-is,
No matter how you look at it, Elemental Nimbus is essentially a direct upgrade to it (with the only drawback being elemental damage). How is that okay while Battle Dragon isn't okay?
Elemental Flux has the highest damage potential of all PoW disciplines as well as having nice counters and good utility. It has it all and is far too good.
How is this allowed?
>>48274135
Wait, I thought 2hu was Colette?
>>48274094
Don't take all their comments at face value m8, some of it is baseless and they're castershit fuckers who despise martials and don't want them to have fun things.
>>48274135
>Shotas
>Not loving their ara ara oneechans
HERESY
>>48274094
>You wanna tell me where you're getting these ideas from?
Rising Zenith Strike is perfectly fine and balanced, Gareth.
It's no worse than Rapid Strike.
>>48274094
>You wanna tell me where you're getting these ideas?
Allowing shitty writers like Sslarn to ruin projects, making bad content because of personal greivances (CHAbringer, never doing antipaladins, Solar Wind, Tempest Gale, wanting to errata actually fun classes like ZweiSent), the turd that is Akashic Mysteries, making basically non-functional abilities like the Host of Heroes Rite of Passage, the entirety of Piercing Thunder being bad, letting multiple cool projects die in the dirt...
Oh, then there's shoving out errata/'fixing' things on the level of Paizo where no fixes were really needed at all, the generally shitty attitude that some of the DSP devs express towards people, and just a lot of shit you all have been doing lately.
You guys really need to stop knee-jerk nerfing shit for no real reason just because 1-2 people meme hard about it.
>>48274094
Gareth!
Just the man I wanted to badger about inconsequential rules nonsense!
I've read up on PoW systems and use in regards to multiclassing and initiation and the gist of it makes total sense. The Stalker 7/Warlord 5 example being a "9th" level Stalker and an "8th" level Warlord clicks just fine in my brain.
However, what happens if we have a Stalker 2/Warlord 1?
Is the Stalker "3rd" because half of 1 level is still 1, or would half of 1 level just become nothing and the Stalker's initiator level would be 2nd?
>>48274192
I think he was more asking where the details of those nerfs came from anon.
>>48274214
Forrest in IRC.
Guys, I'm tired.
I'm just so tired.
I'm just so fucking tired.
End it.
End it now.
End me.
End my suffering.
Put me out of my misery.
I cannot take it anymore.
It's too much.
It's killing me.
I'm tired ofkemonomimi waifu homebrew.
>>48274094
>We are not certain other companies that will remain nameless.
You meanDrop Dead Studios?
>>48274222
Forrest is legitimately autistic and not really good at this shit. Why are you listening to him?
>>48274203
Am I the only one who really likes arcforge?
>>48274192
I think he was referring to "where are you getting these ideas of how things are being rebalanced from"
>>48274238
Yes
>>48274192
That doesn't answer my question. As far as I'm aware, we've released no part of this errata unless you'd like to count Fool's Errand.
>>48274137
Let us presume for a moment that this is true, and I say 'presume' because I have twenty minutes to get ready for work and I'm not about to spend them crunching the numbers between the two stances: that doesn't make either of them acceptable, it'd just mean that Nimbus had mistakes made.
I'll reiterate, again, that unlike /some companies/, /which shall remain nameless/, our intent is to release the proposed errata for testing and feedback before it's finalized and the PDFs updated. That'll give you, the community, time to evaluate it, check it for further mistakes of grammar/math/concepts/insanity, and see edits happen to it before it ends up potentially affecting your lives. That also means that there'll be warning at every stage of this process for the folks that wish to preserve the pre-errata content.
C'mon guys, we've got more respect for you than that. Where's the paranoia coming from?
>>48274203
Citations needed.
Please post with examples.
>>48274238
Arcforge was cool as shit, and it saddens me deeply that Sslarn was the one who handled it, because it could have been a lot better if it wasn't handled by a Paizo-tier developer.
>>48274244
>That doesn't answer my question. As far as I'm aware, we've released no part of this errata unless you'd like to count Fool's Errand.
Forrest said something about Rising Zenith losing the double damage or something like that.
>>48274242
You have no concept of what good is, you goddamned fucker.
>>48274251
Fuck you, Sslarn was good with it.
>>48274244
>C'mon guys, we've got more respect for you than that. Where's the paranoia coming from?
Nerfs are a scary topic.
>>48274266
Ssalarn please go and stay go
>>48274074
>EDM
Elder DM?
>>48274203
TL;DR anon is realizing that DSP is not flawless wunderkind here to solve all their pathfinder problems, but is in fact quite quite fallible, and only special in that they actually put up with us.
>>48274266
>Fuck you, Sslarn was good with it.
No he wasn't the product he made was shit, and it was not upto quality, it showed no signs of improving, and DSP was totally in the right for dropping that steaming turd.
>>48274280
>Electronic Dance Master
>>48274207
Rounding in D20 always goes down unless, for some insane reason, it is specifically stated otherwise.
>>48274203
> making bad content because of personal greivances (CHAbringer, never doing antipaladins, Solar Wind, Tempest Gale, wanting to errata actually fun classes like ZweiSent)
Pic related
> making basically non-functional abilities like the Host of Heroes Rite of Passage
Pic still related
> the entirety of Piercing Thunder being bad
Thunder wasn't the discipline some folks wanted it to be, but that doesn't make it bad. It does its job just fine.
> letting multiple cool projects die in the dirt...
Pic so related you don't even know
> Oh, then there's shoving out errata/'fixing' things on the level of Paizo where no fixes were really needed at all
Like /what/? We've officially errata'd essentially nothing! WHAT IS IT YOU'RE COMPLAINING OF, ENRAGED ANON?
>>48274203
>Akashic Mysteries
When ARE we getting Akashic Mysteries anyway?
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>>48274280
>Erotic Dilation Machine.
If we were to make a "perfection" of Pathfinder, what would you do?
I would:
> remove all favored class mechanics, those should have died a long time ago
> remove class skills but keep disable device and open lock as rogue-only skills
> keep skill ranks but make starting skill points equal your intelligence SCORE because that would force uneven skill buys instead of just making out in each one
> make feats a once-per-four levels thing, and remove redundant feats, make them have multiple functions
> have major and minor feats where you can pick two minor feats instead of one major
> remove 90% of bonus feats
> massively reduce class features list
> reduce complexity in as many ways as possible and aim for emergent complexity instead
> steal the HD-type-by-size idea from 5e, one of its few decent ideas
> balance out builds, allow for more types of viable martials
> restructure level-based bonuses to a single scale, kind of like proficency or 1/2 level to AC, except less fucking gay
I have no idea how I would reconcile this shit, and my last point directly fucks with my third point, which itself makes no sense in the context of Pathfinder's skill system which is different from 3.5's anyway.
But that's my "wish list". Basically less feat taxes, lower numbers to bring things more into line, just the "low power" feel of 5e but you can still get high power later.
I don't even like 5e but I like some of the ideas in it. I feel like 5e mated with 3.5 would make the best D&D, but it will never happen now.
What would you fags change abotu Pathfinder?
>>48274297
Every time we even mention the gif, they push the release date back another week. It's currently sometime in the 2040s
I understand that a Core Barbarian and his Unchained son fulfill slightly different roles when comparing their pros and cons. Unchained can work with two-weapon fighting or even a dex build, while Core uses Two-handed fighting very, very well.
But what about Rogues? Do Core Rogues bring anything to the table their Unchained counterpart can't?
>>48274250
Arcforge, Tzocatl, Akashic Mysteries, talks in this thread about ZweiSent nerfs way back, Forrest apparently claiming that Scarlet Throne will recieve nerfs, DSP having a pretty clear hatred for anything ranged with how Solar Wind/Tempest Gale work (With the exception of Elemental Flux, which works with both ranged/melee), shit like the Ravelord Harbringer being nerfed because Gareth was angry, Chabringer never existing because Gareth has a stick up his ass, Forrest repeatedly handling feedback poorly in the thread and people ending up getting into fights about it, the repeated ignoring of Steelforge suggestions for things.
>>48274296
>Thunder is still alright
No, it isn't. You literally never have a reason to use it over any other discipline.
>Multiple projects
Akashic, Tzocatl, Arcforge?
>Errata
We'll see how it goes. Can't really say I've got a lot of hope at the moment due to the recent track record, but we'll see. You guys have done enough good shit in the past that we all owe you at least that much.
>>48274319
A few specific talents.
>>48274308
>lower numbers to bring things more into line
Please stop
I refuse to play 5E anymore because martials in 5E end up hitting for like a fucking fourth of what martials in 3.5 do per hit against similar amounts of HP. I hate padded sumo combat with a passion.
>>48274279
>>48274289
Not Sslarn, but goddamn do you fuckers have a rampant hateboner.
>>48274308
Wasn't that anon who was consolidating feats but promising a lot and delivering little?
>>48273866
>Why aren't you playing an aasimar/tiefling kitsune with full plate and a greatsword?
Because I made a bard?
>tfw I finally found the time to write out an application last night
>tfw minutes after I submitted the rough draft the power went out due to storm
>tfw the advertisement shuts down Saturday and I'll be on the road all of Friday
>tfw I don't even have my sheet completed, and I can't since it requires the finesse only a computer can give
[CAN'T WAKE UP]
>>48274323
>No, it isn't. You literally never have a reason to use it over any other discipline
But anon, I'm using it because I wield a spear.
Why should a spearman not use the spear discipline?
>>48274343
Yeah, but does your bard seduce the tavern wench, the stable boy, or both?
>>48274357
Weapon Group Adaption
>>48274364
I don't get how that answers my question.
A spearman using PF, PT and EF is perfectly competent.
>>48274364
If you are just trying to build the absolutely strongest character you can by only picking the best options why not just make a wizard?
>>48274361
Matchmaker bard when?
>>48274323
>shit like the Ravelord Harbringer being nerfed because Gareth was angry
How did it get nerfed?
>>48274364
I don't know much about PoW, but I assume that's a feat or something that lets you use disciplines with weapons they weren't meant to be used with. Is that right?
>>48274323
Piercing Thunder should've been entirely designed around TWF'ing spears. That shit is kickass.
>>48274381
Wizards are banned in my games because of me
>>48274308
>Favored class
No, just make it so they aren't locked to specific races.
>Class skills
Class skills are fine. Mandating specific classes because of DD is a bad idea that should not be done. Rogue needs buffs to bring it up to speed.
>Feats
You're literally retarded if you think less feats is a good thing. That said, feats DO need consolidating, and a lot of things that are currently feats need to be made into basic options anyone can do. PA, Weapon Finesse/Deadly Agility, something to allow Con-based damage, and all the toggleables and +2/+2 skill feats.
>Minor feats
...Traits? You mean traits, anon.
>Remove bonus feats
No.
>Reduced class features
No.
>Reduce complexity
It isn't complex? Basic Pathfinder is legitimately fairly simple. If you're seriously struggling with it, then it isn't the game for you, man. Don't kill our fun because you're dumb.
>Balance builds
...How? Define balance. How will you do it without making everything like 4e where it was all flavorless shit that was the exact same?
>>48274393
Yep.
Nothing beats using shit like "Whirlwind Kick" with a greatsword.
Is there any way to get Stalker Arts as a Warder without multiclassing?
I'm willing to shell out a bunch of gold for a wondrous item for this.
>>48274234Then stop looking at it. God knows there are plenty of 1pp options for fuzzy-eared waifus already.
>>48274222
Wow, way to fucking go, asshole. Better hope we never figure out who you are.
>>48274408
Then why not just nerf/remove Weapon Group Adaptation? Wouldn't that also solve the problem about Broken Blade that was mentioned upthread, which is that it's fine when used with unarmed strikes but silly when used with a great sword?
>>48274025
It's double damage, which is what most crits do... and technically, it's even better than a crit, since it doubles things that a crit wouldn't double.
>>48274237
>legitimately autistic
???
>>48274441
>Then why not just nerf/remove Weapon Group Adaptation?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>48274395
Because of autism?
>>48274443
It won't trigger any abilities that trigger on a crit, though. I mean, if you can just kill them outright with the double damage, it doesn't matter, but how often will double-damage on a single attack kill an enemy that actually really matters?
>>48274440
What the fuck are you blathering about?
>>48274441
Because not all Disciplines are the same.
Broken Blade is obviously meant to be used unarmed. It doesn't make sense to use it's shit with a greatsword.
But saying some guy couldn't make a stabbing motion with a sword in say piercing thunder or use Solar Wind with a gun is kinda awkwrad.
Not to mention the SU disciplines that are super ultra generic but still have favored weapons. I can see a man using E. Flux with just about anything.
>>48274443
Broken Blade can be used with a sansetsukon.
It's been this way since it was originally released.
>>48274394
TWF or two-handing a spear competently.
I want to Ornstein it up.
>>48274441
Because some retard on their writing team added weapon limitations to disciplines that don't need them.
>>48274476
>don't take unofficial comments in the IRC as official, or we'll have to stop coming
>anon does exactly that fucking thing
>forrest is gone now
>>48274395
That isn't a badge of honor, anon.
Breaking what is supposed to be a collaborative storytelling game is bad form.
Piercing Thunder is 100% functional at giving spear users powerful options that let them use their weapon competently from 1-20 for the vast majority of games. Outliers where PT can't compete should not invalidate the norm.
>>48273943
>Implying Fool's Errand isn't even more powerful than Broken Blade except where pure DPR's concerned
>>48274129
Augunas is not only a fox-furry and a babyfur, but also a micro/macro fetishist.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9bv2?Microsized-Adventures
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/143716/Microsized-Adventures
>>48274296
>Thunder wasn't the discipline some folks wanted it to be, but that doesn't make it bad. It does its job just fine.
My only real problem with Piercing Thunder is all of the early-game stances are stances where you either use that as your only stance ever, or you take feats that negate the need to ever use those stances.
I can either stay in a stance at all times to use my two-handed weapon in one hand and a shield in another, thus locking me out of other, more interesting stances... or I can take a feat that lets me use a two-handed weapon in one hand and a shield in the other, thus negating the need for the stance.
I can either stay in a stance at all times to allow me to wear my heavy armor without all the penalties, thus locking me out of other, more interesting stances... or I can take classes that allow me to wear my heavy armor without all the penalties (or just wear lighter armor), thus negating the need for the stance.
I can either stay in a stance at all times to allow me to dual-wield bigass weapons, thus locking me out of other, more interesting stances... and I don't even think I can use anything else to do that, actually, so I'm stuck with this one stance if I want to dual-wield greatswords.
It's not until the level 5 stance that I get something that's universally useful, and not something that I'll have to build most of my character around. The maneuvers are awesome, I love the "attack in a line equal to your reach +X feet" maneuvers especially... but the stances at early levels leave a lot to be desired.
I'm also mildly annoyed that there aren't enough throw-your-weapon maneuvers to justify me wasting a feat to be able to get my weapon back after throwing it, but that's just because I'm usually in games where I can't get a returning or calling weapon thanks to low-magic settings.
>>48274544
Isn't that the point? BB is kinda underwhelming except for its absurd damage, and FE is great mobility and control for melee people.
>>48274530
What the fuck are you banging on about?
In any case, good fucking riddance. One less name to filter.
>>48274485
>>48274510
Still, seems like that'd be a much easier work around to the problems it does fix than reworking a discipline that doesn't have anything wrong with it inherently. I guess it wouldn't be able to fix Piercing Thunder, but if the only issues with Broken Blade come up when people use it with things other than unarmed strikes, then the errata for it could be as simple as adding a single note to the discipline stating that it can only be used with unarmed strikes or certain other specifically listed weapons, even if a feat or feature would normally allow otherwise.
That'd be a clean fix, right?
>>48274558
I think they meant "gone from the irc chat."
Cus, you know, Forrest's now gone from the irc chat because of this shitstorm.
>>48274558
People dragging in bullshit that was not official and not even a minor piece of the story means we now directly have *that much less* opportunity to direct feedback to DSP and to receive information from DSP about what they're working on, because some shitbirds couldn't stop running their mouths and making spurious claims based on their personal hurt feelings.
>>48274550
You see, I actually view that as how a lot of first level stances should work: alleviation of feat taxes. I love things like Snapping Turtle Stance for delaying when you need Improved Shield Bash, or Scarlet Einhander giving you some space before you need Deadly Agility.
Oh, and for the dual greatswords, Prodigious TWF and Stupendous Strength (Monster Classes: Ogre, IIRC)
>>48274396
>You're literally retarded if you think less feats is a good thing.
Not less feats, just less shitty ones. We don't need a whole chain of feats for basic two weapon fighting. I am so sick of writing Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, etc. on my sheet, to the point where I usually just write the highest level version, but that throws off my feat count.
Also getting those feats are fucking boring because it's not anything new, just an upgrade on what I had before.
I'd prefer a character with fewer feats, but those feats do more things. So you might only have three feats but those feats define entire spheres of your characters capabilities.
> Basic Pathfinder is legitimately fairly simple.
Not really. The core is, but the minutiae of shittons of tiny rules is what starts to rip it apart.
Like favored class. That was a rule that had no solid effect in 3.5 so we just ignored it. And I liked that, because any link between race and class is retarded, I hate these race/class linkup synergies. That's what the ability score modifiers are for. Orcs aren't good wizards because of their low Int, not because it's not their favored class.
To be fair, I haven't done a lot with the favored class mechanics, but the little bit that I've used them it just feels like they took a rule that no one really used from 3.5 and gave me another thing to remember when leveling up.
Who wants to pony up $1.95 to buy a book on Augunas' fursona?
http://paizo.com/products/btpy9l4u?Everyman-Iconics-KyrShin
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/179999/Everyman-Iconics-Kyrshin
>>48274549
>>48274599
Please stop.
>>48274364
Does Weapon Group Adaptation let me stab everybody in a 20 foot line with my spear? No? Okay then, feel free to fuck off.
>>48274615
Weapon Group Adaption lets you do that with a better weapon and with a better maneuver
>>48274612
Fight me, Fennekin.
>>48274549
>>48274599
Fuck right the Fuck off, literally no one wants this shit!
>>48274576
>>48274590
There's some goddamn sensitive folk, and fuck the lot of them. Get a fucking grip and handle this like fucking sensible adults.
And what shitstorm? These are fucking parasitic shitstirrers and should be highfived in the face with a chair.
>>48274238
I liked it, but it was near-dead on the backburner for weeks, never updated with things it needed to be updated (like mech weapons when the system was assuming them) with when ssalarn even DID touch or discuss the thing, then was left for dead for several weeks before we finally get told it's being sent elsewhere.
I've seen more lively subjects getting sealed into an urn.
>>48274470
The problem is when you get other sources of added damage. Sneak Attack, for example, isn't normally doubled on a critical hit... but now the maneuver reads "Deal critical hit damage, +5d6 damage." If you're an Investigator, its +4d6+10, and so on. At the base level, it's not too powerful, but the ability to double damage that wouldn't normally be doubled on a crit makes it far too open to abuse.
Now, I don't want it to just go to Sense Motive to attack and nothing else, either... but I can definitely see the reason behind removing the flat damage multiplier.
>>48274649
>Get a fucking grip and handle this like fucking sensible adults.
The problem here is that Forrest was in that irc channel most of the time NOT acting as a representative of DSP, and when comments that were noted to be not official stances get repeated as official, it causes a bunch of shit for them to deal with.
Knowing that us in the irc chat can't be trusted to keep unofficial separate from official, it makes sense to leave.Good riddance, though.
>>48274667
Out of all the disciplines I think scarlet throne is perfectly balanced. Broken blade on the other hand is pure bullshit.
>>48274699
>Good riddance, though.
Fuck you.
>>48274649
All these flavors and you still chose salty, anon. And here I thought our love was true and pure.
Does anyone have a link to the older version of the trove? I know that there's another version that seems to be more complete.
I'm looking for the faction guide.
>>48274699
Lets be real here, we know it's like 1-2 people who want to actively ruin it.
>>48274722
Gareth, that guy's talking about the shitstirrers being parasitic, not you guys.
>>48274716
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DSPfags go and stay go
>>48274493
I'm not sure what that has to do with my comment?
>>48274722
Gareth pls. Everyone loves you and Forrest.
Pls forgive us.
>>48274593
Except that using them to negate the feat taxes means we're stuck using only those stances for our entire career, which prevents us from using the more interesting stances. If I want to build a character around dual-wielding greatswords, and I try to use the dual-wielding greatswords stance to do that, then I don't get to use any of the more interesting stances that come at later levels because I have to stay in the dual-wielding greatswords stance in order to keep dual-wielding my greatswords. I'll never be able to, for example, dual-wield my greatswords with +5 reach, +4 dodge and op-attack prevention prevention.
>come here to talk about pathfinder
>it's just a bunch of drama about an IRC because a bunch of fucking underlings hang on their every word
Kill everyone in this thread please, holy shit.
>>48274790
>underlings
The word, anon, is friends. Not shocked you haven't heard it before.
>>48274576
>>48274590
>>48274699
Order of events is something like this.
1. Someone in IRC asks what to do for their character who gets all the "problem" disciplines like Broken Blade, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne, etc.
2. Forrest says Rising Zenith Strike is PROBABLY going down to no more double damage.
3. Someone makes recruitment post in >>48272813 >>48273213, one of the house rules is that "problem" disciplines get automatically traded out.
4. Someone asks why Scarlet Throne gets traded out >>48272999
5. Someone says it was Forrest who mentioned Scarlet Throne getting nerfed >>48273012 >>48274222
Shitstorm, hurt feelings.
>>48274737
I'd rather you go and stay go.
Shit like this makes 4chan less desirable as a source of feedback. It directly fucks up our reputation with the people who produce content for this game. It means we have less access to that new content, which means we have less to discuss, which leads to these generals becoming even more inbred and parasitic than they already are.
/pfg/ is shitty enough. #pfg was fairly tolerable until fairly recently, when people who didn't understand basic fucking decency and how to conduct yourself in a setting other than 4chan started trickling in.
>>48274627
Really? Which other maneuver lets me make one attack roll that targets every enemy in a line equal to my weapon's reach +15 feet? I must have missed that one.
>>48274809
E. Flux has those
>>48274806
You know how you get rid of those people? You ban them. That's what it's for.
This is what I'm reading
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Everywhere.
>>48274806
>/pfg/ is shitty enough.
/pfg/ is better than it used to be and the current batch of posters has a far greater understanding of the game than the people who posted in early /pfg/ or even the Pathfinder threads before that, regardless of how butthurt people get about it. Even fucking BUILDPOSTER is better than some of the Paizo-fellating scum that used to be around.
>>48274323
Nah they're just really bad at figuring out ranged, and are thus too quick to listen when someone tells them "this should only apply to melee" or to simply craft a discipline with the assumption that ranged combat is vastly different.
I don't think they hate it at all, from talking to them. They're just a bit too used to doing melee characters with ranged things being taken care of by casters is all.
There's ways to make them quite useful.
>>48274809
Nope. It has a line attack, sure. But not only do I not want elemental damage on my grizzled old veteran spearman, I like making attack rolls, not letting other people make Reflex saves. Try again.
I had some questions about the "confused" status. In my session yesterday I was able to make two enemy NPCs confused using the Confusion spell.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/confusion
I wasn't sure what "act normally" meant, since at one point one of the NPCs rolled in the 76-99 range and attacked the other enemy NPC. From what I read of being confused, that means the attacked NPC should reciprocate the attack until one of them dies. But does that only occur if the attacked, confused NPC rolls a "act normally", or in addition to whatever they roll for the confused status?
>>48274845
Aren't like half the disciplines in Expanded "melee or ranged"?
>>48274856
Ugh, misclick, was replying to >>48274821. Kind of deflates my smug condescension and all, but yeah. You still suck, or whatever.
>>48274800
>1. Someone in IRC asks what to do for their character who gets all the "problem" disciplines like Broken Blade, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne, etc.
Yup, just checked the logs, that's how it went. Don't feel like it's a good idea to mention their username on 4chan, though.
>>48274838
That's about where it's at, yeah.
I don't blame anyone involved for flipping tables, frankly. There's some tableflip-worthy horseshit going around.
Why do people care about Bushi?
The Bushido options are garbage.
>>48274856
Piercing Thunder and Primal Fury go together like peas and carrots.
Cornered Frenzy Strike + 5th tier PT stance means everyone dies in a 30 foot radius.
Plus, and let's be honest here, Impaling Strike with a spear is just plain fun.
>>48274900
You know you should, Anon. Justice needs to happen.
>>48274866
If one of the confused creatures attacked the other, then the other would automatically attack the first creature on its turn, you wouldn't roll on the confusion table at all. And yeah, that means they'd both get stuck in a feedback loop of hitting each other, getting pissed that the other one hit them, and hitting each other again. Which is awesome.
Just so you know, "act normally" literally means they can choose their own actions normally, as if they weren't confused (for that round). But that only happens when you roll it on the table... but again, you don't roll on the table if the confused creature was attacked, they just automatically attack back.
>>48274916
That'd just make everything worse.
>>48274900
It wasn't necessarily them who said the whole "Forrest said it in IRC" thing.
It could've been anyone who saw the conversation or scrolled up for it.
>>48274916
I agree with this person:
>>48274929
If you want to know who it was, either check your own logs or ask over the IRC.
>>48274935
Also, this is true.
>>48274809
would a maneuver that lets you attack everything in reach or in your weapon's first increment (if you've got a blinkback belt) work for you?
Not a line; omnidirectional
>>48274923
Okay thanks, I figured "act normally" was pretty obvious, and we did have that for one round after the one NPC babbled incoherently. I wasn't sure about rolling for confused status after one NPC attacks another. Thanks again!
Can you retrain a discipline?
>>48274974
If you get the Tradition for it.
>>48274953
Does it let me do that with one attack roll, thus taking advantage of single-attack bonuses against multiple enemies?
(And just to be clear, this is not the only maneuver I'm using Piercing Thunder for, just one of my favorites. Even if you actually find a replacement for this maneuver, there's still a few dozen more you've gotta replace before you can convince me that the discipline is worthless.)
>>48274929
>>48274935
>>48274941
Didn't at least one other person react to Forrest saying something about a Rising Zenith Strike nerf?
>>48275005
It's a public channel and we shouldn't be witchhunting people over it; anyone could have done it, and the posting style of the people who brought it here doesn't match the person who asked, afaict.
>>48275005
By my count, a grand total of 3 people except Forrest herself said at least a word on Rising Zenith back then.
>>48274361
My bard's a rock star. He seduces the entire inn.
>>48274880
So is the main character a Paladin of the Caffeine God?
>>48274882
My point.
Well more like a third; even the 'melee or ranged' disciplines tend to have several maneuvers that are melee only.
Riven Hourglass' swift-strikes are melee, Sleeping Goddess teleport attack maneuvers are melee.
That said, I'm only pointing these out for the sake of accuracy; All my Riven Hourglass characters so far have been ranged. Everyone gets 2-3 disciplines to work with at least, and while I can't just make a character with ONLY RH, having a powerful character isn't a problem.
>>48275027
That seems terribly inconvenient.
Why not just seduce one person?
>>48275019
>Not witchhunting
>4chan
Do you know where you are?
>>48274981
Yes, it does. It very much does. At an extra +2 over your full regular attack value, just to be sure.
>>48275049
It's not what QANON would want.
>>48275042
>YOU! And me
>And HER
>Simultaneous
>You
>And me!
>And you and you!
>Simultaneous
Lovin, baby, two or three!
Simultaneous
>>48275049
It's almost like I want us to be better than the rest of the internet thinks we are
Is this really shitstorm? I mean really? Seriously? We got bad motherfuckers here.
Jesus fucking christ.
>>48275059
QANON isn't someone who controls anyone, friend.
>>48275081
Might not quite be a shitstorm, but it's very shitty.
>>48275085
Given that she's literally the moderator of the IRC, that statement is not entirely accurate.
>>48275111
She's the moderator of one IRC, there's no way for her to tell who posted the name here, and even if she does something it's as simple to fix as making another channel and moving there.
>>48275148
>there's no way for her to tell who posted the name here
This. Stop being retards, there's no way to tell who actually posted it.
>>48275166
Seriously. It's incredibly shitty and I wish doom on whoever did post it, but there's no way to tell and witchhunting will only make things worse.
Personally? I don't care for Forrest, but I didn't really want to see him go.
>>48275166
>there's no way for her to tell who posted the name here
It's actually fairly easy. It took me around 5 minutes to determine it. There's only one person who could say it and that person is rather obvious.
>>48275191
Because it couldn't have been someone else who didn't say anything in the IRC, amirite?
>>48275197
Just think about it. Who is sufficiently legitimately autistic to say something like "Forrest officially confirmed this"? I mean, that quite certainly requires real, non-ironic autism.
>>48275206
>legitimately autistic
Uh. Half the chat?
>>48275220
This.
>>48275206
Given that the person you're talking about and Forrest seem to get along well, and that even THEY aren't that dumb, nah.
>>48275206
>>48275220
Including Forrest herself.
>>48275189
There's definitely a way to tell, guy. Someone posted in IRC. Someone can pull the name. They're just too much of a bitch to do it.
>>48275235
Forrest isn't autistic afaik.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/oozes/hungry-flesh
Is this thing REALLY fair for a party of level 3 adventurers to fight?
>>48275244
>There's definitely a way to tell, guy. Someone posted in IRC.
And you're discounting the possibility of someone seeing that and posting about it without ever actually saying anything in the chat.
Holy shit how dumb are you people?
This thread gave me diarrhea then cancer.
>>48275206
Multiple people posted complaints like they were gospel truth. Witchhunting won't do any good. I know at least one person other than who you're thinking of posted, because they posted an identical complaint to one they posted in the chat, worded in the exact same manner.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, and it won't accomplish anything. The people who fucked up, fucked up. It won't fix anything to punish them for that fuck up. Even if it would, that's a matter to be handled internally, with the IRC's moderators.
>itt white knights gather for a witch hunt to avenge Princess Forrest.
>>48275050
That's actually kind of interesting, what maneuver are you talking about?
>>48275289
>Princess
You... do mean prince, right?
No one cares what happened, you're all wastes of space.
>>48275306
Forrest's a girl
Unless you're doing that on purpose as a "trans isn't real" schtick
>>48275306
Forrest is a girl, anon.
>>48275306
Nah, forrest is trans. Came out on GitP (via changing gender icon) a few months ago.
>>48275289
Is it wrong that I almost want to use this as a game plot?
>>48275319
>>48275318
You HAVE seen the pictures of him, haven't you?
>>48275327
>the princess is actually a forest
>>48275330
The ones that had people going "Forrest is a trap" before she came out?
>>48275330
Pre-transition is still a girl.
>>48275327
>They're off to save a plot of ent saplings the king planted
>>48275339
>>48275330
>>48275335
You mean a thread full of neckbeards who'll get hard linoleum tiles are going to sexualize everything? Weird.
>>48275361
Please no clowns.
>>48273890
>>48274074
>>48274095
>NOT wanting to play with 2hu
What are you, straight?
>>48274010
It's worth changing things so that option is less powerful and other ones are more desirable.
>>48274237
Forrest and Gareth are both autistic. Proof: https://wrongplanet.net/forums/search.php?author_id=64944&sr=posts
>>48275303
Silver Crane's Spiral. Strike, level 5
Is it worth it to invest in an adamantine weapon?
How often is stuff below 20 hardness?
Like, could I just cut someone's weapon in half in combat? Slice through their armor/shield? Cut through chains like butter?
Or is it not that good?
>>48275274
Woah it gave me diarrhea too, weird.
Why is this thread such a fucking trainwreck?
>>48275425
Holy fuck me too actually
>>48275337
The uh, you know... penis, says otherwise.
It's fine to accept what someone wishes to be, there's no problem with that, but why must we pretend someone already owns a jaguar when the jetta they're exchanging for it is still in their driveway?
>>48275405
Damn, that takes me back. Haven't been there in ages.
When shall the Dreamscarred Press product "Akashic Mysteries," authored by one Mr. Michael Sayre, be made available to consumers?
>>48275405
no one on pathfinder general is NOT autistic
>>48275424
Well, it IS handy for some dr.
Plus, it becomes real easy to make doors when your sword cuts through wood/stone/steel/anything but adamantine, mostly like butter.
I'd at least buy one for the party to share when you decide using actual doors is too difficult.
>>48275405
Just Gareth.
>>48275445
Gender and sex are different things, read up on your psychology. Mind of a girl/woman, body of a male, it's easier to make the body match the mind than vice-versa, etc.
>>48275458
Let me check the counter- oh wow, you just bumped it into 2050! Nice!
>>48275472
As a level 3 character I could start with one.
I'm thinking of going full force weeb and getting an adamantine katana and nothing else and playing a ronin with no posessions other than that sword.
Is this a terrible idea Y/N
>>48275333
A dryad is fine, too.A harem of royal dryads is fine, too.
>>48275459
Is everyone on /pfg/ autistic, trans, bi, furry, AND pedo?
>>48275534
Define pedo. I think lolis look cute, in a nonsexual way, but I wouldn't fuck 'em.
>>48275510
Hamadryads are legitimately the best fae wife you can get in the system, possibly the best type of wife you can get in general.
They're what, a CR 15 creature with charisma out the wazoo, fae royalty and dominion over an entire forest? Plus their brothers are Erlkings, who can hook you up with all sorts of perks.
The puns are just icing on the cake.
>>48275534
No.
>>48275503
I personally feel uncomfortable setting out into the world without a grab bag of miscellaneous utilities like potions, ropes, grapples and so on. But if your confident that your party can help out, go for it.
Should make early fights pretty easy, assuming you can pull off your sunder rolls.
>>48275493
Psychology doesn't follow the scientific method and thus is a pseudoscience. The entire field has contributed literally nothing to the world.
>>48274530
>don't take unofficial comments in the IRC as official, or we'll have to stop coming
What about some new guy who comes to the IRC and sees Forrest and Gareth talking about something?
They wouldn't have any reason to believe there's such a rule in place, so they go on and post "Hey, Forrest said this in IRC."
>>48275555
>not a marilith
You have shit tastes tbqh familia
>>48275574
Much like yourself.
Well, no, at least psychologists are trying.
>>48275577
And that is presumably why Forrest left.
>>48275534
I'm only the first three.
>>48275577
It may well have been well-meant ignorance, but it's still a problem. And Gareth does his best to establish that casual chat in an IRC is a much different beast from official messages.
The fact that it may have been a well-meaning mistake is why I'm not encouraging a witch-hunt. It was still a fuck up. Simple logic states that if it was something DSP wanted posted in the thread, they would have posted it in the thread, since they, you know, can and have done that.
>>48275567
So am I right in believing I could literally just walk through a building in a straight line without breaking stride by just cutting a path through walls? Seems like basically everything has less than 20 hardness.
>>48275577
>QANON too stupid to put something like this in the channel header
>>48275586
Marilith are evil snake demons.
Hamadryads are royal humanoid fae.
Flower > Snek cloaca
>>48274839
>/pfg/ is better than it used to be and the current batch of posters has a far greater understanding of the game than the people who posted in early /pfg/ or even the Pathfinder threads before that, regardless of how butthurt people get about it. Even fucking BUILDPOSTER is better than some of the Paizo-fellating scum that used to be around.
But how did /pfg/ evolve to be so animu, weeaboo, and fox-masturbating?
>>48275610
Only if you're doing enough damage to cut through the walls. Walls DO have a shit-ton of HP.
>>48275612
While we're revolting, can we demand better mods? It's just Qanon, some random fuck, and a bot that seems broken.
>>48275023
Then it HAS to be at least one of them, doesn't it?
>>48275655
Not really.
>>48275637
Are you implying that that's not better than the retard who bitched about people who wanted a ToB port because they're 'overpowered' and jacked off about Fighters with javelins being the best class in the game?
Because that's the level of discourse we used to get.
>>48273866
Pretty bew to DSP content here, so sorry if this is something obvious
So in a game I'm in, werewolf template from lords of the wild may or may not be allowed. Are there any other ways to take a monstrous/animal form that could be used with Chimera Soul?
That roar maneuver made me really want to play something like that
>>48275670
>Fighter with javelins
What
>>48275206
Was it 2hu?
>>48275318
Tumblr please go trans is not a real gender.
>>48275729
Almost definitely, yes.
>>48275742
Eh. 2hu contributed but several other people posted complaints about things that were *maybe* happening in the errata as if they were gospel truth and without context.
I know it wasn't 2hu who made the Battle Dragon Stance complaint, for example. 2hu doesn't even think Battle Dragon Stance is particularly good.
>>48275734
Trans is not a gender, no. Trans is the word for when your gender and sex do not match up, but it is not, in itself, a gender. Neither is mayonnaise.
>>48275728
You heard me. "They do overpowered damage in melee and at range!"
This was not an exceptionally shitty poster in a sea of normalcy. Pathfinder threads used to attract PFS tards who didn't know the first thing about the game who'd do shit like bitch about Barbarians while pretending that Wizards were totally fine.
>>48275269
According to this guy >>48274800, the one who originally asked and the one who posted "Forrest said this in IRC" are the same.
>>48275791
Yep. You know the refuses-to-die "Synthesist Summoner is the most OP class in the game!" meme? Where do you think it started?
>>48275534
I'm only maybe the first. And even then, that's just what other people online tell me. Well, they're probably right for once but hey.
puppies aren't hot, little children aren't hot, other men aren't hot, and I can't even wrap my head around someone hating their own body so much that they want to go trans without some kind of alien death parasites being involved, so I can only try to imagine how rough it is on them, but holy fuck would I never come close to doing that.
so uh, yeah. probably just the tisms here.
>>48275791
Wow
I don't even have a reaction image for that one
>>48275589
True (different anon, but I also have contributed nothing to this world) but my daughter is also 'trying', and that does not make her breakfast attempt anything other than a salmonella hazard.
>>48275844
Get back to me when your daughter has a PhD in breakfast.
No, really, do. I will be legitimately impressed.
>>48275766
True, several people complained about shit, most of them easily identifiable, including the Battle Dragon one you mentioned.
But only one posted about Forrest confirming anything or even mentioned Forrest or IRC, as far as I understand.
>>48275791
Speaking of which did they nerf Wizards or it does keep in 3.5 levels of cheese?
