Hyper Optimization Edition
Bring your A game and show me your best builds /pfg/
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Old Thread: >>48255290
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.How will your life go on, now that the romance of the century is over?
We need to update the /pfg/ homebrew list.
What new stuff should get added? We need suggestions from homebrew that's been posted.
Cleric / prestige paladin / cleric prestige classes with serenity and DMM persist.
>>48267353
Forrest's henshin initiator, for one. I keep losing the goddamn link.
Anybody has any fucking clue how the PoW:E Knight-Chandler works? The abilities seem so incompletely written and potentially broken.
>>48267322
>Bring your A game and show me your best builds /pfg/
I've been doing what I consider "Fun NPC Builds" lately, which consists of the following:
>take a NPC class
>VMC it
>Have it transition into a PrC
It makes for pretty unique and NPCs I find are a good strength level to be interacting with the party when they're at the same level as the party. I reserve full PCs to very important NPCs (people who will travel with the party long term) and villains.
>>48267373
...what? It's pretty simple in how it works.
>>48267370
>How will your life go on, now that the romance of the century is over?
That isn't homebrew though, that would go under the DSP stuff.
>>48267350
>>48267253
>taking a 20 in your casting stat is usually shooting yourself in the foot unless you have silly pointbuy.
Bullshit. You can dump all your other stats except your primary casting stat and still be as competent as the rest of the party.
Why would anyone nerf themselves by rolling an 18 casting stat character? Its just so stupid as fuck.
>>48267373
What? What issues do you have with it?
>>48267397
That was explicitly homebrew. He's yet to post about it with his trip on.
So /pfg/, what kind of music do you play at your table during climactic encounters?
>>48267397
No, it's homebrew.
That's not at all a DSP product, it's just Forrest being a goof.
Which is a shame, because I found a way to build Reaper with it.
>>48267405
Because you want Dex/Con 14 so failed saves don't fuck you in the ass?
>>48267405
Inquisitors aren't even full casters
>>48267418
Music from the Brain Powerd OST.
Awful anime, fantastic music.
>>48267405
Is this the same guy who claims the bottom half of tier 3 is underpowered?
>>48267418
This isn't for climatic encounters, but it's damn good music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMFRRL-pkyM
>>48267405
Depends entirely on the caster. 9th level spells? Sure, because the DCs are probably a big deal. 6th level spells? Ehh, not so much. Magus doesn't care that much depending on the spell. Alchemist gives 0 shits about their spell DCs, so Int is only relevant if you're relying on bomb DCs. 4th level spells? You'd be a retard to have even a 16 in your casting stat over physical stats.
>>48267350It's okay, we still have the Princess x Backup Princess ship to sustain us
>>48267418
Usually something awful like prog rock or speed metal orthe World 1-2 theme from Mario Brothers...
>>48267418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQs48dvebck
>>48267486who the hell is the "backup princess"?
>>48267518
I have no idea, but I'm picturing a contingency clone. I dub this ship Q-cest.
>>48267418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0e3Q8RpiY
Let's get down and dirty.
>>48267480
Even as a 9 level casters most of your casting stat will come from other sources at high optimization. At ULTRA high optimization you actually was an 18 because otherwise you hit a odd number for theoretical max int (it's 60 for an alchemist, 52 for everyone else under most circumstances excluding edge cases like an Agent of the Grave becoming a vampire to bump it to 54).
Though who really needs a 54/60 casting stat?
>>48267418
ominous made up language chanting.
Got the Ar tonelico, Nier, and Shadow Hearts tracks all queued up, bitches.
>>48267418
I sing old Final Fantasy battle songs until someone tells me to shut the fuck up. It usually doesn't take very long for someone to say that.
>>48267418
We watched a certain series of movies as a group.
Now only one song is suitable. For every single encounter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThifXbelTWw
>>48267553I think the backup princess is Forrest
>>48267568
Might I recommend using the theme tune to the Ceadeus from Monster hunter Tri?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfTv0JS_3cc
>>48267587
Well maybe if you'd use something other than 7 and 8..
Yo, I'm playing in Legacy of Fire soon, and I want to play a dragonslayer.
What's the best way to do that? Anything on the SRD is allowed.
pic related, maybe.
>>48267608
Can we compromise on two Qs and a Forrest?
>>48267619
Lovin' it.
>>48267621
I do FF6 sometimes too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMd6V1IOJ5k
>>48267556
Funnily enough this allows an alchemist to have a DC 51 fort save position that does d6 con/wins damage each round AND they have to make three saves before it stops AND they are paralyzed/confused. Too bad so many things are poison immune.
>>48267619
UNDERWATER PANIC ATTACK
>>48267635
Kinky. I'll allow it.
>>48267682
Eldritch Poisoner is silly.
>>48267353
I have a purposely tier 2 martial class that a few people have played and enjoyed.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jFw71-3CAVkm_nYFak8rkA9b0AUxN9s7Ru_7CUQhZy8/edit?usp=sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEL0cic2_dw
I used to use this for my character's intro theme music.
>>48267405
If you're playing a divine or 2/3 caster you won't be casting spells every round, so you need some fighting ability. Even if not, you're better off taking an 18 and putting more points into Dex and Con so you can not die.
>>48267322
My last hyper optimization build was a level 20 school savant diviner arcanist with all the stops pulled out. I am ashamed.
You guys bang about on about the disgusting prevalence of SJWs and trans and other waifus in PF products, how else would the grossly repugnant, offensively spheroid turbotard PF fans see any action?
>>48267799
Oh shush. Quit your virtue signaling.
>>48267818
Quit your vice signalling
>tfw applied to a few roll20 games
>tfw waiting on replies
I just really want to play. This is excruciating.
>>48267799
I'm not actually sure what you're trying to say here. Honestly confused.
>>48267822
/pfg/ is all about vices. dog-boys, cat-girls, fox-girls, bunny-boys, half dragons, drow, qanon,dsp money being submitted to my accountwonderfully amazing orgasmic path of war: expanded (ALL NEW, BUY NOW!)
>>48267836
Allow me to translate, I speak troll.
"You folk complain on a regular basis about how many niche appeal and fetish waifus Paizo puts into their products, but without those, how would any Pathfinder players, who are as a group, both physically and mentally offputting, find love?"
>>48267842
I really fucking hate fetish posters. God damn.
>>48267630
You're looking at playing a Warder then, preferably Zweihander Sentinel. you also want to gain access to Mithral Current somehow; I use bushi, but just traiting into it would be fine too. that one should replace Golden Lion, so that you have access to Mithral Current, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne, and Iron Tortoise.
The reason for Iron tortoise is for two things - the first is Burnished shell, which lets you parry spells, which is pretty awesome, though the other counters in IT help. The second is Turtle General's Stance, which lets you become immune to breath weapons.
Scarlet Throne is useful for two other things - Sanguine Perseverence, which is one of the best counters in the game as it replaces your saving throws with a Sense Motive check. The other is Scarlet eye's Perception, which lets you make your next attack a touch attack.
Mithral Current is there for more counters, but for a good reason; the DODGEROLL counters allow you to negate enemy full-attacks by moving out of its threatened range, which is hugely important for evading the as many as eight attacks a dragon in full-attack mode might level at you.
Finally, Primal Fury is where your damage is at; Impaling Strike and Blood-Spray Strike are the biggest ones because they allow you to deal constitution damage. this is fucking important, because massive creatures (such as fully grown dragons and linnorms) have hugely inflated HP pools due to massive constitution and very high HD, but if you're dealing constitution damage, you're using its own high HD numbers against it; 2 con damage is equal to 1 damage for every HD it has and, for example, which is 24 extra damage versus a tor linnorm. and Scarlet Eye's Perception lets these strikes hit as touch attacks, which is amazing.
You no sell everything, roll out of the way when it wises up and then stab it in the fucking heart. Just make sure to bring a ring of Freedom of Movement, or it'll just grapple you, but otherwise... yeah.
>>48267799
For the record, it seems like the most objection is how ham-handed PAIZO is at inserting these things, not actually them existing in PF.
Like...does anyone actually care if trans or gay people are in games? Also, we love waifus. And principled people are okay, but if they're hamhandedly cramming modern morals in a game that should be operating by 15th century morality...it's usually going to be badly written.
>>48267322
This was part of an encounter at high levels.
Half-Orc Bounty Hunter Slayer 3/Lore Warden Fighter 16
Took Racial Heritage (Dwarf), grabbed Goblin Cleaver/Orc Hewer and the other Cleave feats, plus Improved/Surprise Follow-Through and Cloak and Dagger Style. Cleaved the entire party, applied a dirty trick to the entire party, and as a bonus stole each weapon the party was wielding. Just a fun bit of nonsense.
>>48267858
The issue is a dragon with any amount of competence will just kill players. The only dead dragon is a dragon played by a GM who makes them act like retards.
How do I phalanx fighter, /pfg/?
WELL FOLKS, rising from the grave now that Legendary Vigilante's Playtest is starting to wind down, I've started looking back over the Stregone andTOTALLY NOT STEALING IDEASputting some recent thoughts and tweaks in. It's slow going since I have to get back into the swing of things, but maybe I can actually get comfortable enough to bump that shit up to a 1.0 before the end of the summer. Still debating whether or not to nerf the damage progression, and the reworked spell list is... Under consideration/"Soon(tm)".
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GVTXsAAdkxpLjQFfvYzuME3lVyuhAU2chxXrK46vlbA/edit?usp=sharing
I really should get on the archetypes, because the only one that even "works", mechanically, right now is the Child of Fate, and that's because it's not at all hard to make a magical girl work. It probably wouldn't be that hard to get the Soulbound Puppeteer up and running since I already have a soulbound doll statblock to work with, but considering how niche it is to begin with my time would probably be better spent elsewhere. I could go for the low-hanging thematic fruit and try to just make an "alternate class" Cha-caster with sorcerer bloodlines, but I would feel obligated to go through and rework bloodlines so they worked with the class.
>>48267353
People seem to like this for some ungodly reason, but I'm not about to tell you to put it on the list in the state it's in.
>>48267891
Nipple boob armor and no plate skirt? Heckin'
awful/10
>>48267891
Not with a skirt that short.
>>48267842
Wait wait.
We go for dog-boys and bunny-boys
And cat-girls and fox-girls?
If anything it's catboys and wolfgirls, anon. All else tends to be secondary.
>>48267889
Which is why this build was set up for slaying Linnorms, rather than dragons. It'll still be difficult to work around for a dragon, though.
>>48267858
Thanks.
Is there any benefit to say, taking a couple level into Oath Against the Wyrm Paladin?
>>48267902
Blinklings are all boys, but you're right about the wolf girl. Bunny boys was only recently, though and we def go for cat and fox girls.
>>48267916
>tfw you're playing a blinkling loli
But anon, why can't I exist
>>48267916
I still maintain I see more catboys than catgirls.
No bunboys yet, but as you said, I may have just missed that recently.
>basically pfg
>>48267858
>get access to Mithral Current
Bushi and MithCur are not available on the SRD currently, so no-go there.
>>48267921
>playing a loli
The mere fact you describe it as a loli is why you shouldn't exist.
>>48267895
Steal whatever you want as long as you can give feedback on it. I'll post the bard archetype in an hour or so, I'll just write talents for it in the doc rather than leaving them for later.
>>48267921
Because it'scute
>>48267910
>>48267942
Ah, sorry, missed that part about SRD-only. In that case, Golen Lion seems your best bet, but Mithral Current was a bit peripheral anyways.
And no, you should probably stick to single-class Warder for this, due to the fact that it can give you Extended Defense, which WILL save your life.
>>48267950
Ditto, but I haven't seen any catgirls desu
>>48267977
There have definitely be a few miqo'te posted, more so than that one, I believe.
>>48267949
>shotas are fine
>lolis are not
u wot maet
>>48267977
I think I just said 't h o'
These filters are weird.
>>48267353
I've got some stuff, if people would be kind enough to look over them?
>Charmbound Witch: It's like Witch, but with the occasional Occultist Implement instead of Hexes. Also your Hexes are mostly in a physical form, so no flying unless you've got a broomstick.
http://pastebin.com/5bjhd0t8
>Essence Dancer: A Kineticist with veilweaving and the ability to use Temporary Essence to stave off the effects of Burn. Not entirely sure about this one compared to Charmbound Witch.
http://pastebin.com/f5vUiZq4
>>48267950
Fucking christ. Stop just posting about your fetishes.
Seriously, I can't remember the last time a thread wasn't one of the following:
>circlejerking about monster-folk fetishes
>jacking off DSP
>shouting at buildposter
I like DSP, don't get me wrong, but half of the people here treat their droppings as gold. I remember when someone tried to justify the qualify of the succubus monster class. I don't like Buildposter, but it seems like a god damn national sport around here to hate him, and FUCKING HELL I hate people who are just here to jack off rather than actually discuss the game. The mere fact I have to make a meta fucking post shows how bad it is, I fucking hate posting like this.
>>48267994
Neither are okay
Both are pedophilia, sexualizing childlike bodytypes.
>>48267994
I hate the term shota too. I fucking hate blinklings.
>>48267999
Yes, that was me. I wasn't justifying it, I was just saying that the monster class being more powerful than base classes isn't awful, especially when it's explicitly stated at the beginning of the book and gives a warning to gms.
>>48267999 (you)
>>48267854 (you)I did it to piss you off, chill out
>>48263989
Guys? He just asked me for some help with his character build. I barely know what a magus is and what it does, but he wants my help on feats? Could you guys help me help him? It's for a Hell's Vengence campaign I'm starting soon if that matters.
>>48268011
As long as it's not real children, it's fine, I guess. Just as long as you don't bring your fetishes to real games and force them (any fetishes at all) on people who aren't interested.
>>48268011
m8y, I know this is gonna be hard to wrap your head around, but in this real world there are, in fact, adults who have a body quite close to that
hell, I know a few,and at least one of them is the "girl who sleeps around"
>>48267353
Here's my Camazotz Homebrew race
I'm pretty confident this should be the final version now, thanks to several input by /pfg/.
Regardless, check it out anyway to see if it can still be improved.
http://pastebin.com/fJWXMkET
If I have the ability to share teamwork feats, are Outflank and Paired Offense the best two for a siegebreaker fighter and a rogue?
>>48268064
The flight speed seems a bit much, though I'd say that for a bunch of races. Maybe raptoran or dragonborn progression from 3.5? Start with a glide, then upgrade it to a flight speed when it's more appropriate?
>>48268059
I didn't say it's was sexualizing children, but rather sexualizing characteristics of children.
We tolerate the 'barely 18' group, but fetishizing it is kinda toeing the line.
Though it's better to have fap material than actually going after minors.
Gonna throw this up one last time before I work on finalizing it. Working on an Alchemist archetype for a sea-faring campaign, with grog-based spontaneous extracts. Just looking for feedback on overall power right now, and how easy it is to understand the mechanics, since I haven't done much work on archetypes before.
Thoughts?
>>48268064
>fly and blindsense in a default race
>+dex +int -str
You aren't even trying are you?
>>48268115
It's MUCH too strong. Dear lord, what were you thinking?
>>48268111
>barely 18
One's 20, the other's 31, and about half the female populations of Mexico and most of Asia are below 5'0.
>>48268169
There is a difference between petite and child-like.
>>48268105
I'll consider it.
>>48268123
Bats have flight and functional blindsense
As for stats, got an alternate opinion?
>>48268169
I meant the porn category.
>>48268169
There's definitely a difference between adult under 5'0 and child body type. You could possibly (I don't know anatomy so maybe?) make the argument for post-pubescent but still a minor, but that's gross and let's totes not go there.
>>48268190
>Bats have flight and functional blindsense
It's WAY too strong. Like dear christ.
>>48268115
First off, all of the base effects of downing your strange brew should be scaling per 3 or 4 levels, especially with the kinds of bonuses they are.
Secondly, it shouldn't start as a swift action. Move action, maybe, and upgrade to swift later in levels.
That's just a cursory glance at the first page.
>>48268199
Well then, I guess you learn something new every day.
Then again,the 31yo is 4'5, and would look exactly like a 5th grader if she didn't have laugh lines and crows feet...
>>48268202
At this point, maybe consider it as an Advanced Race or a Monstrous Race then, which means its subject to the approval of the DM. I'm sorry, but I had a concept and wish to follow through on that concept.
>>48268163
Feel like pointing out specifics? Can't fix it if I don't know what your problem with it is.
>>48268207
> First off, all of the base effects of downing your strange brew should be scaling per 3 or 4 levels, especially with the kinds of bonuses they are.
I modeled the attack and damage bit off of the Investigator's Studied Target, just slightly easier to use in return for not being at-will and lacking Studied Strike. The dodge bonus makes sense to scale more slowly, or I was thinking about making it apply only to opportunity attacks (which has been a common ability associated with "drunk" style abilities in D&D and Pathfinder). I was a bit worried about the damage on the fire breath, I can probably scale that back a bit. It's very close range, but deals full damage to all targets instead of just one plus splash damage, so I wasn't sure where to put it.
I think I'll cut the dodge bonus and fire damage back to every 3 levels above 1st, but I wanna keep the attack and damage and temporary hit points where they are. Or I could cut them back to every 3 levels above 1st, but return the Will saves to all Will saves instead of just against fear...
> Secondly, it shouldn't start as a swift action. Move action, maybe, and upgrade to swift later in levels.
Crap, that's a good point. I was trying to decide between swift and standard, and I completely forgot move actions are a thing. Been playing 5e too much lately, I guess.
Anyway, thanks for the input.
>>48268231
>4'5
Isn't that legitimately dwarf height?
>>48267353
Mutation Master Alchemist!
Now made compatible with the Polymath for even more bloody face wrecking!
http://pastebin.com/4hCPdd3n
>>48268343
You might also consider that fire damage is the most common resistance/immunity in the game. I'd say have them pick an element and stick with it.
Or, if you wanna get funny, have it be sonic damage, fluffed as belching.
>>48268433
*if there's not already another way to change the element of an alchemist's thingI've never played one
>>48268421
Its also compatible with the fucking Vivisectionist.
Because on top of being a Synth Summoner Alchemist with PoW, might as well throw in some Sneak Attack damage to boot.
>>48267373
Can you elaborate?
/pfg/, tell me the most archetypes character you can make.
I just found that Savage Technologist/True Primitive/Pack Rager stack. What other combos do you get where you trade out essentially the entire class?
>>48268348
If you mean legally, yeah, you're a "little person" if you're below 5 feet.
>>48268343
>Feel like pointing out specifics? Can't fix it if I don't know what your problem with it is.
The damage bonus, temp HP, and AC bonus are far too high. Applying them is too easy.
>>48268348
Yeah, but she doesn't have the proportions of a dwarf.
>>48268501
I think it's technically below 4'8 or so
>>48267952
Most of it was just some taking note of how the feat talents were handled, actually. I dig bloody empowerment, but don't want to fiddle with it as a base Knack, though it might be neat as part of an archetype.
>mfw bard archetype
You're killing me here Jolly, you haven't even redone the Focused Hunter to be less underwhelming and you've already got me looking forward to something else.
Should totally make a tattoo-related social talent that turns familiars into tattoo familiars and opens up the tattoo chamber talent for people with the Spell Master talent.What did your post on the paizo forums about the Warlock becoming a thaumaturge mean?
>>48268433
I wanna keep it mostly serious (my players probably won't cooperate with that, but I'm gonna try), but I did want to keep it as fire damage, specifically because I'm trying to keep some of the alcoholic flavor... breathing fire being the "flavor" of taking a swig of alcohol, and spraying it out in a little fire spray. It's a staple move of the action-hero drunkard. You just don't need a fire source to use this version.
Besides, it's kind of meant as a sort of replacement for bombs, which are baseline fire damage only. The normal Alchemist can take Discoveries to change that, but the Strange Brewer has more options than just the fire damage using the same ability, so I think it's a decent trade-off. If you face a fire-resistant enemy, just use the attack and damage bonus and go punch the fucker in the face.
>>48268557
>want to keep it mostly serious
>players probably won't cooperate
Sounds like you /need/ that belch [sonic].
>if you face a fire-resistant enemy, just punch them in the face
I hate to break this to you, but without mutagen I don't think the alchemist has much frontline potential.
Why does a Host of Heroes Aegis actually get directly less customization points that it can freely distribute than anyone else? It's locked out of putting more into the Monomyths than it's level, flat out, fuck you, that's it.
You're level 3 and have 5 points? You can only put 3 into your Monomyth ones, ever.
>>48268550
Personally, I think the appearance stuff is jank, so I'm up for taking suggestions on how to make focused hunter better. I'm thinking HiPS at 11th and something at 17th at this point.
>N. Jolly's first published 3p product
.Okay, so the first BIG thing I ever did at the Paizo boards (aside from the alchemy guide) was a homebrew based off of the warlock (Gee Jolly, how were you so ready to make the kineticist work with a strong working background of the 3.5 warlock?), and eventually, I saw the (at the time) newly created third party request thread. I showed Jason Sonia the Warlock, he flipped and we started to make the thau (not my name, mine was the invoker).
Turns out Jason was VERY hands on, and the problem became that it was less of a warlock and more of a...something I don't like. The book looks beautiful, but the mechanics are not something of which I'm proud. And the publisher owns all the old mechanics so I can't even do anything with them.
This is why I really enjoy working with Legendary Games and Purple Duck Games, as both Mark G. and Jason N. just say "Get back to us in a month, tell us what you've written, and don't wholesale plagiarize anything which can be linked back to us."
Is there a functional version of the kineticist floating around anywhere? Archetypes or 3rd party stuff? I already showed him the elementalist from spheres and the mystic from PoW and he doesn't care for them.
>>48268504
I did end up lowering them to every 3 levels, but this is meant to replace Bombs and Mutagen. Mutagen especially being a long-term buff to attacks and damage and AC (if Strength), attacks and even more AC (if Dexterity), or durability and AC (if Constitution). I figure a short-term boost for a higher bonus (remember, it's only a few rounds at a time, instead of 10 minutes per level) would be fine, especially considering the Investigator already gets a +1 attack and damage per 2 levels ability that they can use at will, plus Studied Strike for even more spike damage.
Just to be clear, you did notice that it was only one bonus at a time, right? It's attack and damage OR armor class OR temporary hit points OR fire breath. If I didn't make that clear enough in the ability, that's definitely something I'll have to re-word.
I'm probably gonna go with the lower numbers and move action just to account for the added versatility anyway, but I do think you're overstating the balance issues here.
>>48268648
Gambler Kineticist is pretty good.
>>48268648
Check out Kineticists of Porphyra 1,2,3 or Legendary Kineticist, although for fixing the class, I'd say KOP 3 due to the mutations helping to unjank the burn mechanic.
>>48268632
>Sounds like you /need/ that belch [sonic].
The point being that if I make it serious, they'll bring it down to a level of silly that I can stomach. If I start off making things silly, they'll bring it to levels of ridiculousness that I won't be able to handle. I'm thinking of my own self-preservation here.
>I hate to break this to you, but without mutagen I don't think the alchemist has much frontline potential.
That's what the non-fire breath options are meant to replace. Attack and damage for Strength mutagen, dodge for Dexterity mutagen, temporary hit points for Constitution mutagen, and fire breath for bombs. The difference here being that you don't have to spend an hour in advance to prep the bonus, and you can choose which boost you want when you use the ability, which is why it's not as powerful as the full mutagen would be.
>>48268675
>>48268700
Thanks I'll check these out, although if he didn't like the mystic I doubt he'll care for the gambler.
How would you fluff current PF classes in a modern setting?
Something like blaster fire coming out of a gun for blaster casters.
>>48268791
The heck does he even want?
>>48268832
I wouldn't.
>>48268832
You really don't. It just doesn't work well.
>>48268832
Also 3pp classes
>>48268733
What about tossing in new discoveries for the archetype?
Make a discovery to split the fire breath damage with acid damage.
Make a discovery that lets you belch stinking cloud as the wizard spell
Make a discovery that lets you drink drunk and forget ongoing charms and compulsion effects
Make a discovery that lets you belch a sickening/nauseating breath up close
Make a discovery that lets you puke WIS-draining poison vomit
>>48268832
Futurepast Magitech
>>48268842
To blast people with fire, he didn't like the mystic since it "had too much rng" and he didn't like SoP because it "doesn't do enough damage." So outside of a heavily minmaxed blasting sorcerer or a pathfinder conversion of the dragonfire adept I'm not sure how to help him.
>>48268904
I'll bite, what anime is this and is it shit?
>>48268904
always wondered what anime this was from
>>48268940
>>48268950
Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon.
Pick it up if you haven't. Its a pretty good sci-fi/fantasy anime.
>>48268867
I was thinking about it, but that's more work than I feel like doing right now. I'll probably get around to a few of them eventually, but I'm sticking to basics for the moment.
> Make a discovery that lets you drink drunk and forget ongoing charms and compulsion effects
I've been toying with finding a way to replace fear/despair/charm/compulsion effects with an equal duration of confused as a ribbon, but that gets weird when you fail a save against Charm Person and you're rolling once a round for 10 hours to see if you stab yourself to death.
I might do something like "When you fail a Will save against a charm, compulsion, despair, or fear effect, you can expend 1 daily use of your Fortified Brew ability to reroll the save, taking the new result. If the second save succeeds, you become confused for 1d4 rounds."
>>48268940
>>48268950
Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere
It's somewhere between fantastic and horse shit.
>>48268045
But we all know what you're thinking about and that's creepy as fuck.
>>48268913
>and he didn't like SoP because it "doesn't do enough damage."
What? Fucking what? Armorist (Blaster) alone gets you some great damage (bound staff for caster level, bound blaster for attack/damage, Rapid Shot, and so on). Elementalist can get some massive fire damage going, especially if you're willing to devote all of your talents to fire destructive blasts. Especially if your GM (you, in this case) is willing to allow Searing Spell to help get past resistance/immunity.
I've been throwing some level 10ish characters together just for fun, and it's trivially easy to get a destructive blast for 10d6+10 damage in a 10 foot burst at will, and 16d6+10 for a spell point, plus other options.
I think your player might just be a fucking idiot.
If I took Warsoul PsyArm with the Discipline Blade Shapes blade skill and the Weapon Group Adaptation feat, can I become pic related?
>>48269021
I'm actually wondering why there's pokemon references in this game.
>>48269051
I don't think Discipline Blade Shapes works with Pyschic Armory... though if I'm wrong, that's fucking awesome. That said, you can still pretty easily flavor the shape of your panoply as much as you want.
>>48267405
Most people actually y'know, care about their characters and don't want them to get removed from play. If they're just another meaningless chassis on an assembly line then yeah sure, defense is meaningless because you'll have a new "toon" next fight.
>>48269077
>That said, you can still pretty easily flavor the shape of your panoply as much as you want.
Yeah, but I want to use firearms for the Touch AC to hit. Which would be hilariously broken if psychokinetic combat means I'll be using WIS for attack and damage for it.
>>48267418
It depends, like for an example my group was doing a horror campaign and the horror music was scary on point, but it was still one of the best campaigns ive played. cant remember the songs.
>>48268123
They can't see beyond 10 feet. They can't even TARGET people with spells beyond 10 feet without something to fix that (like the racial feat at 9th level). They're pretty good, but not exactly great wizard material until later levels when racials don't mean much anyway.
>>48269057
Grandfathered in with 3.5's themed spell feat.
>>48269043
Don't forget shit like Focused Blast and Greater Blast from the Handbook.
Said handbook also has ways to let you deal with resistances too.
>Skinwalker cleric joins group
>They're always in their wolf form
>Villagers freak out all the time
>Simultaneously try to calm village down and beg skinwalker to go back to human form
>Skinwalker refuses
>Village continues to freak out
Help!
>>48269179
Tie and muzzle him
>>48268482
With Legendary Vigilante, you can stack up to five on the vigilante.
>Warlock
>Exposed Vigilante
>Inquisitive Detective
>Focused Hunter
>Dragon Champion
>>48268647
Jason Buhlman, or a different Jason?
>>48269270
Jason Sonia from Storm Bunny Games. Hah, if my first gig was from Jason B., I'm sure KOP would have been in 1p in Paizo and there wouldn't be so many people asking for 3p fixes.
>>48269179
Skinwalkers don't look like anthros in their shifted form, they just have animalistic aspects to their normal humanoid form. At least, I think that's what Blood of the Moon describes them as.
>>48268913
Avant Guard kineticist will do it, then. He'll even get a "fire elemental" buddy to help.
>>48267353
I'll toss my homebrew PoW:E feat out there, though it's really short.
Argent Typhoon
Prerequisites: Quick Draw, two Mithral Current maneuvers, two Tempest Gale maneuvers.
Benefit: You may make Mithral Current strikes with a ranged weapon. You must draw your weapon as part of the attack, and if you are initiating a melee strike your target must be no more than 30' away.
Special: If you are using a weapon with ammunition and can load that weapon as a free action, you may load your weapon when it is drawn this way.
>>48269294
'Animalistic Aspects' is vague as hell bro.
>>48269294
>>48269364
Physical Description: Outwardly human, skinwalkers are virtually indistinguishable from others of the ethnic group into which they are born. Those rare skinwalkers who have bred true for generations tend to have dark eyes, straight dark hair, and richly colored skin. Skinwalkers' features vary greatly when they shapechange. They gain a bestial visage evoking the creatures they emulate; the snout elongates, teeth become more prominent, claws emerge from fingertips, and skin toughens into hide. Despite their shapechanging abilities, they are not immune to infection from full lycanthropes.
>features vary greatly
>snout elongates
Take that as you will.
Why can I never find a game that lets me actually try and build something? Form organizations, run businesses, even build a home. It seems like no matter where I go people want me to be a murder hobo.
>>48269401
Seeing as snouts are often taken as evidence of furritude, it's kinda indisputable.
>>48269401
I kinda feel like Skinwalkers should have the same 'small race heritage' thing tiefs and aasimar do.
Be a Shiba Witchwolf. Or a Pug.
>>48267568
>NieR
mah nigga
>>48269451
Frankly non furry snouts are kinda ugly.
>>48269327
Alternatively, fire-focused Gambler Kineticist.
>>48269571
Yeah, they'd do it well, and there's not a lot of RNG involved in it.
>>48269440
Usually because if not everyone is into it, they don't want to encourage forcing people to one place when they want to explore.
You just have to find the right game, anon.My party was fine with me taking 10,000 to build a cathedral-barracks to host my Leadership followers. We don't spend any time or emphasis there, though.
So exactly how much stronger is an android PC for a campaign compared to any of the <10 RP races? Have you ever had an android in your party? Were they overpowered? If they were, what changes would work to make them more balanced?
>>48269667
They're fine as-is.
>>48267418
I use a lot of stuff from anime OST's and RPG's, but I'm planing on using this for the next climatic encounter in a Gestalt game I'm starting up soon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHakl2bMQYI
>>48269440
main problem with this is that most campaigns end up treking around worlds and yknow.. adventuring. staying in one place and building up seems to be a rarity for some reason even though it leads to better story-telling.
>>48269729
Solid choice, anon.
>>48269482
>Shiba Witchwolf
The memest.
>>48269440
I accidentally Diamond Dogs in my 5E campaign. It just depends on your DM, I guess.
>>48269738
because it's easier to introduce new things than develop old things in an interesting way
The latter is more rewarding if done right.
>>48269779
That's funny, I accidentally Diamond Dogs in my 5e campaign as well.Edgier, though. That was known going in.
>>48269440
Play a game about that then. Why are you playing Pathfinder at all?
What's the best way to be a Necromancer in Pathfinder?
What's the best mechanical powerful way?
And what's the best flavour way?
>>48269795
All I wanted to do was pull off elaborate heists and charm the masses but then the masses kept getting killed and mutated to fuel bizarre and dangerous rituals so the only choice was to become a demon. Not literally, mind you, though I did recruit an "ascended" Tiefling. He's an asshole.
>>48269795
we're currently running an edited more.. down to earth, rise of the runelords campaign and its honestly the most fun I've had in a long time, simply because of how developed all the characters are.
>>48269820
clerics
just don't argue, clerics.
>>48269824
Mine...wasn't all that different.
>Playing a shadow monk (infinite tele/invis is fun as hell out of combat)
>Belong to a harshly ascetic order, find out the masters/grandmasters are endulging in luxuries (literally just beds) for their own gain. Come back and kill them. Leave one master to take care of the order.
>Party finds a codex filled with coded recipes for undeath
>While decoding it, I get turned into a vampire by a vampiric Seraptis demon, daughter of Lamashtu
>Party gets turned into liches/death knights (casters/martials)
>Order gets destroyed while we're away
>We go plane-hopping, blah blah, fun times ensue
>We all wanted to build an undead empire together.
>One lich decides against it and goes to grab greater power.
>I slap him down, stealing their phylacteries.
>He ditches and I put the 50 million gold from our last mission towards building a network of assassins/mercenaries that operate out from the mostly deserted shadowfells of each world.
>Other PCs go along with me.
>Go become a demon thanks to Grandma Lamashtu
>Far epilogue is full demon lord hood, though authority in the network is very decentralized
>>48269820
Wizards if you're going for a debuff style necromancer.
Cleric or Oracle for minionmancy.
Oracle is probably best for minionmancy because Juju Oracle and Spirit Vessels.
>>48269820
actually.. changed my mind.
best these days is likely a rebirth psychic, using Mnemonic Esoterica to gain cleric spell list access (even if just one spell.. well there you go fucking raise dead) or witch spell list as needed. also has full summon monster access and lots of the neat necromancy spells and flavor
>>48269779
The name Diamond Dogs has been used a good couple of times, hasn't it?
Okay, what sphere class should I dip if I want to make the Elementalist Int based?
>>48270179
Incanter. It's front-loaded as fuck.
>>48270179
If you can use the Nature book, there's a trait to pick your mental casting stat.
>>48269836
>an edited more.. down to earth, rise of the runelords campaign
< pic related. Considering the nature of the RotR end-game, I'd like to know how that has been accomplished....
>>48270244
god that thing is so fucking stupid
Most of the rest of the book is okay (except Metalbending I guess) but god. damn.
So I was reading up on the acrobatics info, and is it legit that if you have at least 3 ranks in acrobatics, you get an additional +1 to AC when fighting defensively? Does this also apply to Combat Expertise?
>>48270064
First is best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25uvh4axNCQ
Is the occultist conjuration school as bad as it looks? Servitor seems like the only ability worth using at all.
Jesus fucking Christ, I had the displeasure of reading the Hellknights material, who is the fucking edgy mongoloid responsible for that book?
>>48270465
But is it the best David Bowie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwsdahTesI
>>48267353
I've got a Harbinger archetype I'm still working on.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/181xuVW9TAYjZpgWS0q6U4A9SqJZG8CcXGG2lIMwn3Fw/edit?usp=sharing
>>48269043
10d6+10 at level 10 is pathetic damage.
It's not very good if it offers no save, and if it's reflex half it's outright laughable.
Even 16d6+10 only amounts to an average of 66.
If you need to expend build resources on also trying to get "save DCs" so it isn't evaded, ignored or at least halved, and on top of that are only doing so when spending a limited daily resource?
That's not good, man.
>>48269051
PsyArmory explicitly locks out Discipline Blade Shapes.
Not that it needs them, it's already the most powerful soulknife archetype by a mile, and DBS is the only thing any sort of not-PsyArm has going for it.
>>48268639
Anyone?
>>48267322
Guys just because Paizo made a shitty joke magical girl class doesn't mean you need to post shitty magical girls every single thread
>>48267418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD5bUjnim58
This.
>>48269106
Guns don't get a strength bonus to damage, so you cannot replace it with wisdom.
>>48270611
I'm curious, tell me more.
>>48270729
Have to endure the weebs friendo
What was that thing that gave soulknives manifesting?
>>48268639
>>48270709
You've misunderstood somewhat*. The really useless ability you'll never get to use is the rite of passage stuff. Taboos you'll run into often enough however.
You get to have your customizations anyways. HOWEVER, you can "assign" customizations to the monomyths.
In other words, say I have 4 points in, I dunno, I bought all the energies for energy resist.
I'm a level 3 aegis.
So I'm allowed to let up to 3 of those points be claimed by a monomyth: in other words:
>These 2 points in resist energy are part of the trickster monomyth, and these other 1 is part of overmind.
>Wait. Fuck. That's worthless.
>Okay. 3 of these energy resist points are part of ARCHMAGE instead
>Gain the 3 point monomyth ability of Archmage
>Worthless if I'm not an archmage today though
Still keep the customizations. But, IF you have associated customizations, that much points of them can be 'claimed' by a role, and you don't have to BE that role (though there may be little effect if you aren't) to get the monomyth bonuses. The 'claimed' customizations can't give you a different monomyth's abilities.
*Note: If *I* am the one who misunderstood instead, then the entire archetype is just plain trash and we're going to have to have some words with the author...
>>48270827
Patently false.
He can absolutely leave if he has an issue with a bit of weeb in /pfg/.
>>48270850
Gifted Blade, I think.
>>48270850
Gifted Adapt archetype
>>48270850
Gifted Blade
>>48270865
Gifted Blade
Not adept
and even less adapt.
>>48270858
The Rite of Passge thing is shit and shouldn't have an activation clause, the customizations thing AFAIK is "You assign them, and then you get the bonuses regardless of role" but it READS as though you can only put that many into the ones specific to that AT ALL, not just for the monomyth. AND it might also mean that it's role-specific.
To be honest, both Host of Heroes and Living Legend seem... lackluster, really. They tried to be flavorful, but then they didn't really do anything useful for mechanics.
>>48270685
Destruction casters only gotta worry about saves if they're going for area damage. Otherwise it's touch attacks all the way down.
And I dont think that anon was factoring in greater blast and focused blast. Focused blast is an extra damage per dice.
Searing blast is also d8s rather than 6s.
>>48270903
Are greater and focused blast in the destroyers handbook? Would you mind telling me if you get iterative attacks with destructive blast? Sorry for dumb questions I'm just interested in makiing a sphere blaster.
>>48270864
>a bit of weeb in /pfg/
>a bit of weeb
>in /pfg
>a bit
We might compete with /a/ for the moist weeb on this here Kyrgyzstani plastic-shaving board, palomin.
>>48270938
Fair enough. I might just be somewhat desensitized to that.which, in and of itself, is a scary thought...
>>48270824
Ok I thought that it was a book about a faction of "Lawful Neutral" members, so far the idea I had in mind is something along the lines of Judge Dreadd , Robocop and so on, uphold the Law for the good of society.
But they take to another level, the book intro: "Society cannot survive mercy." it was the first red flag for me.
Then I started reading and got myself into the order of the chain, they are the Judge Dread faction, tracking bandits, capturing or killing then if necessary.
Then I got myself into their order mechanics,so you get boons if you flagellate yourself according to the order that you are into for example if you are in the order of the Pyre you burn yourself and get fire resistance 10 if you do that. Order of the Chain you have to crush your limbs with a chain and you will get +2 CM checks on disarm , grapple or trip opponents. So that shit started to get weird, they are not a religious order with the exception of the Order of the Godclaw.
So I started to read the material of the leaders, they are basically mass murderers and psychos with power and trying to control the masses, I think just 2 were like "Hey I'm neutral just want order".
Then you get yourself into Hellknight spells, items, magical items and such, mostly torture stuff and curses to capture your opponents. I felt the writer was trying too hard to sound edgy and dark with this book. Like I was expecting the Hellknights to be more sober in the aspect of power, not being power hungry nazis basically.
>>48267418
https://soundcloud.com/theugly19/stay-cool
Gotta keep your cool in a fight.
>Complain about weebs
>In an imageboard for japanese cartoons
>>48270729
>Not liking cute mahou shoujos doing lewd thingsfor a mechanical CHA bonus to social rolls
>>48270938
>moist weeb
Ew
>>48270999
See, its bad enough we have to tolerate it, but Paizo pretty much encouraged it.
>>48271003
QANON'S NOT YELLING
I MUST TAKE UP THE MANTLEI DON'T WANT TO BE A TRIPFAG HELP
>not simply doing gay magical girl things just for the sake of roleplaying
What's the point of running an all mahou shoujo party if you don't throw in the occasional subtle yuri subtext?
>>48271021
I don't get mad at all since my games doesn't this kind of bullshit at all. And the only thing you do by complaining is to encourage the autistic weebs to post more magical girls.
>>48271046
She does that a lot, forgets to take the trip off. Try teasing her about it in IRC, she hates itin the most adorable way
Anyway if /tg/ wants a bit of this cancer
>>48270962
Are you talking about pic related? Was there anything about Order of the Vice?
> Over the course of the Hellknights’ existence more than one holding has risen and subsequently fallen. Whether to the hands of enemies,other Hellknights, or stranger events, the ruins of the knighthood linger on, in many cases surviving past the death of the orders that constructed them.
> Citadel Darvhage: Exemplars of the Measure and the Chain, the Order of the Vice was wiped out and its fortress, Citadel Darvhage on the north shore of Lake Sorrow, reduced to rubble. None can say what enemy annihilated the order (though the eerie transformations that afflict the ruins may offer clues), but the order’s interest in defending Cheliax from corruptive forces from beyond the mortal realm harkens toward some manner of extraplanar retaliation
>>48271126
Is that book even cleaned or did you just post an uncleaned book in the open?
>>48271050
It has to be subtle, not actual lesbian orgies.
>>48271192
>>48271126
Oh, did not see that. I'll search by myself then
>>48271192
PDF with the full material here >>48271126
>Was there anything about Order of the Vice?
They mentioned it as a fallen order in the last page of the book.
Akashit Mysteries PDF when, DSP?
Tzocatl when?
>>48271216
Thanks
I don't even need to say what is their flagellation
>>48271192
>Reya Naulvaneti, a Hellknight of the Scourge, rescues the son of Kintargo’s lord-mayor from the Silver Ravens. The Order of the Torrent forms.
>A Hellknight rescues an important child from the supposedly-heroic Silver Ravens
Wow, and we're supposed to like these guys in Hell's Rebels?
>>48271252
Ok I honestly really like that as a theme though. Bodyguards are an underappreciated adventurer archetype.
>>48271284
IT BEGINS
>>48271298
Well all the available material about then because they are a lesser order
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Special-Spell-Effects
>All offensive combat actions, even those that don’t damage opponents, are considered attacks. Attempts to channel energy count as attacks if it would harm any creatures in the area. All spells that opponents resist with saving throws, that deal damage, or that otherwise harm or hamper subjects are attacks.
Demoralization is an offensive combat action and therefore an attack.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Concealment
>Concealment Miss Chance: Concealment gives the subject of a successful attack a 20% chance that the attacker missed because of the concealment. Make the attack normally—if the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance d% roll to avoid being struck. Multiple concealment conditions do not stack.
If you are under a Blur spell, demoralization attempts have a 20% chance of failing against you. If you are in darkness and the demoralizer lacks darkvision, the Intimidate attempt has a 50% chance of failing, and that is assuming they target the correct square.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Cover
>Total Cover: If you don't have line of effect to your target (that is, you cannot draw any line from your square to your target's square without crossing a solid barrier), he is considered to have total cover from you. You can't make an attack against a target that has total cover.
If you are hiding behind a tower shield, demoralize attempts never work behind you. This is a literal anti-bullying shield.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Incorporeal-Ex-
>It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms.
If you are incorporeal, whether due to ghost syrup or Veiled Moon, you cannot be demoralized.
Remember: If someone is attempting to hurt your feelings, raise your tower shield or turn incorporeal.
>>48271252
>Every flame from shadows guard
Did they really have to do that? Butchering established conventions of grammar isn't poetic, even if it is technically grammatically correct. I can't even tell what it's trying to say.
>>48271126
Why have I never heard of the Godclaw oracle mystery before?
>>48271351
Path of War: Expanded, Elemental Nimbus:
>Air: You gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls against opponents wearing metal armor, and your attacks deal an additional 1d6 points of electricity damage. At initiator level 10th, the bonus on attack rolls increases to +4 and the additional damage increases to 3d6.
>Fire: Your attacks deal additional fire damage equal to your initiation modifier. At initiator level 10th, this damage increases to be equal to twice your initiation modifier.
From 1st-level, demoralization attempts can have electricity or fire damage added to them, allowing you to shock opponents or deliver sick burns even without Blistering Invective.
Also as a result of this, spells like Fireball and Magic Missile are subject to miss chances, but they are also eligible for Sneak Attacks, which require only attacks and not hits.
>>48271355
Told you, the guy who wrote this shit is trying way too hard to be dark and edgy.
>>48271326
>starting a campaign soon
>decide to wait until everyone made all their characters so i can make one that best suits the roles the party needs
>one player is deliberately not telling me what he's playing to get me to play an actual character for the story and not for mechanics
>feeling some stress about what to play because i may fill a niche he already does
So how's your upcoming session preparations holding up, /pfg/?
>>48270326
by culling books two, five, and six and developing more of the areas around Sandpoint. End-game is apparently more Indiana Jones and the Thalassion Memes. also more gameplay around rebuilding Sandpoint and the keep.
not sure how we this all came up but its the perfect storm for the perfect campaign, we all just got so into it we cranked the RP up to 11 with proper inter-PC relationships etc.. doubt it would work without the characters we've built.
>>48271405
make 2 or 3 characters that fill various niches just in case.
>>48271459
What kind of GM has you playing multiple characters?
>Play utility caster
>Take recruits feat
Done, now you get to play 3 different classes that you can cycle between
>>48271126
I gotta admit, I fucking love parts of this book. The Branding Irons, the Godclaw Mystery (and Godclaw in general), The Vigilante Archetype. It's edgy, but it's got a lot of good stuff going for it.
Help me see this from a third person point of view, pfg.
A player in a game I'm going to run, with DSP, SoP and a few other things on demand, wants to do a charge cavalier. Also crafted a ring of 25 charges of psionic lion's pounce to full attack with triple damage every charge. Getting silly, but I'm willing to let it run.
To do this he's also dug through some obscure 3.5 3pp book to get a feat that lets him add double STR to two handed power attacks. Extra +4 to damage, +12 per pounce attack, it's not really a big deal.
But, I dunno, it really bugs me for some reason. He's already highest DPR in the party by a good margin, and I don't like the precedent it sets in terms of escalation and implying that now everyone should look through dozens more splatbooks to stay competitive. And also the fact it isn't even an interesting feat to make an exception for, it's just 'hey GM can you allow obscure stuff just to raise my damage'.
The player doesn't see what my problem is and says that fishing through obscure stuff is the point of 3.X, I'm saying I just want to draw the line somewhere I'm comfortable with, he jumps between saying there shouldn't be a limit and that I should just make an exception this one time because the feat is right there.
There's a chance I'm still a bit salty over a (probably genuine) misunderstanding where he thought I'd allowed it and so put it in without telling me, so maybe I'm biased.
Am I being unreasonable?
>>48271529
Depends on what you told him from the get go. Honestly he still just pisses damage and nothing else, and even then he can only do it under certain circumstances.
>>48271529
I just dont allow third party. Tell him he is going to be unbalacing encounters and it could start hurting the game.
>>48271405
>that stormwind fallacy
Tell him he's an idiot.
>>48271529
Is that the kind of gsme the other players want? If the group is of the "more power!" variety like your cavalier then its fine imo. But if they dont want to, then tell him that he's hitting diminishing returns and shit. Honestly, more damage is rarely a problem.
>>48271529
How many other damage dealers in his party? If there is only one DD, that's probably isn't a problem.
>>48271489
...so you can pick one of them later. Come on, dude.
>>48271197
>>48271216
It's in the trove, so I don't even know why he's posting it here
>>48271355
"Guard every flame from shadows", ya goof. It's perfectly comprehensible as-is
