Warhammer Fantasy General: Beastie Edition
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>>48240352
>>48238851
That point was already addressed, >>48235972
One unclear line in the 8th edition rulebook that doesn't definitively state anything that relies on knowledge of the 40k universe is hard to use to contradict years of established fluff.
Maybe they were leaving it open for debate and personal army fluffing by leaving it obscure.
But then again maybe a one of their writers that's too used to writing novels, rules, etc... for 40k accidentally slipped it in there.
Seeing as it's not mentioned again in the entire book and GW is not known for their editing when it comes to fluff quality control.
>>48240352
I like this art style.
>>48240433
>It was general anti-Goblinoid feeling, coupled with religious mania that resulted in the banishment of the Half-Orc population from Nuln, one of the Human settlements on the borders of the Old World. The Half-Orcs resented this very deeply.
>Such a Half-Orc was Mudat Brokenbone. After spending several years organising the Half-Orc Tonayl tribe (most of whom had turned to cattle rustling and ambushing travelers), Mudat put his new army into operation. With his warharnmer in his hand and revenge on his mind, he led the Tonayl horde against the town of Nuln. Resistance soon crumbled and the body of the unfortunate town champion was impaled on a pole, later becoming the regimental standard.
>The Tonayls wandered the borders of the Dark Lands; fighting in a number of wars for both Orc and Human paymasters. Proving themselves to be unreliable and unscrupulous mercenaries in the best Half-Orc tradition. >However, during the battle of Gonnear, after changing sides for the third time that day, Mudat was crushed by the infamous Goblin general Grom, 'The Paunch of Misty Mountain'. Their leader slain, the Tonayls dispersed into the wilderness under the command of the company Champion and paymaster Earwangle.
Hi, guys! I'm painting up a 4th edition era Empire army and I'm looking for a reference for these Marauder flagellants.
I vaguely remember seeing a picture of them fighting skeletons, with trees in the background.
I've look through all of my old books and can't find it. Do you have it saved by any chance or know which book its in?
>>48240772
Frankenstein proxy?
>>48240687
They were result of warp magic Sauron/Saruman style, not from sexual reproduction. as described here >>48240433
>>48240772
Think they're 3rd ed models... so they should show up in a ton of White Dwarf issues... and the WFB Empire Armies book for 3rd.
>>48240892
Nope. Friend's converted giant. "Frankie".
>>48241043
I haven't checked old WD's but I've looked at the old books and haven't seen it. I can't remember which book I saw it in, but I remember it being at the top of a page. It's the only picture of these models I've seen in a publication besides a catalogue.
I think the book was 5th edition, but I checked those too.
>>48240772
Jesus Christ, you'd better give those models a large helping of Agrax Earthshade.
>mfw T9A lore has SpOrcs and Orcginas in the same continuity
>mfw Half-Orcs get added as an alternative army
>>48241434
think its just them being sloppy
the full OG isnt out yet right?
>>48241472
Nope. Only TK and WE. I think OK is next.
>>48240433
>>48240984
>crossbreeding in the distant past
>evil magics used to ensure it
Doesn't always imply that it's Slann tier gene tampering.
Warhammer Armies describes them as being "of mixed ancestry" and that the greenskin ancestor could have been hobgoblin or goblin.
Implying that the "evil perverted magic" could just be Chaos Dwarfs, evil wizards, etc... making their greenskin minions rape humans; or more likely making them genetically compatible enough for fertilization to occur.
>>48241703
Though to be entirely fair the Warhammer Armies book was also the book that introduced the extremely racist Pygmy faction.
So take it or leave it canon and lore wise and nobody will blame you either way.
>>48241434
>not liking Orcginas
>>48241750
Fucking disgusting.
So, I was playing TW:WH and brutally killed archaon and his cronies.
What would happen if archaon was to get blammed and chaos defeated?
>>48241800
>What would happen if archaon was to get blammed and chaos defeated?
GW would retcon it and only leave it as an alternate universe.
Much like what happened during the real life Storm of Chaos global campaign.
Fluff wise?
Everchosens have been defeated before, multiple times actually.
The forces of chaos retreat back to Norsca and the Chaos Wastes and then in a few hundred years another chieftain proves himself worthy of the title and leads a new war against humanity.
If you play 40k just imagine the black crusades.
Archaon is literally Abbadon; a witless retard beaten multiple times that the developers have an extreme erection for.
They can't let him lose because he's their favorite character but they've self-inserted and written his character in such a way that he could never be a winner.
>>48240433
>unclear line.
>a line straight up calling them spores.
>In the latest edition core rulebook.
I don't know why you're so eager to reject such a pointless fact. The older stuff has obviously been retconned.
>>48241842
I was more interested in what would happen to the old world in the aftermath. In the campaign I am playing now, the dwarves and the empire was blammed pretty heavily. Bretonnia was spared the brunt of the invasion and allied with the empire but now they are kind of in a cold war with bretonnians trying to claim land in the empire. (Marienburg is a vassal of Bretonnia for example), while the empire is recovering thanks to some generous donations from myself.
>>48241750
I like both. Superior canon lets you choose which yours are.
>>48241873
>I don't know why you're so eager to reject such a pointless fact.
Because it's one line that contradicts a ton of interesting material that give a little bit of life to the setting.
Going from "orcs have women, home villages and cities, and have bred with humans in the past" with multiple lore bits focused on this to "the greenskins came from the forests with their spores" is disappointing.
It's like finding a one-liner at the end of a rulebook mentioning that the city of Nuln has been destroyed.
No detail, no mention of how it happened, no discussion of what happened to the culture and people of the city, just "nuln got overran".
It's sloppy in that it wasn't expounded upon in the least before they decided to just end the entire setting.
Wiping away a huge part of fluff that gave the setting a good flavor and replacing it with literal 40k ripoff canon is laziness.
But also easier to trademark and defend against intellectual property theft I guess.
>>48241873
GW continuity stopped counting when they did End Times. That aside, GW rejects the concept of continuity anyway with the statement that everything is canon, not everything is true. Spores are the current "canon" but could easily just be what Empire dumbasses think.
Threadly reminder that none of this shit is canon.
>>48242044
Nothing was ever canon. Except Archaonwank, which is reason enough to give no fucks.
>>48242032
>>48242042
Spores may just have meant how the Old ones considered Orcs an afterthought.
Also the Greenskins do have at least some spore-based side organisms like squigs and possibly snotlings which is a possible explanation.
>>48241926
>I was more interested in what would happen to the old world in the aftermath.
Chaos beasts, Norscan raiders, and many daemons would have been left behind by accident in the route.
You'd have corrupted villages and Norse bandits raiding for years to come as they dispersed across the Empire.
They'd eventually be rooted out by witch hunters and the like but it would be just another cancer to deal with.
>>48242044
Well technically not, considering that GW dropped the entire setting.
The new AoS universe refers to Warhammer as "the world that never was".
So if you want to be a GW fanboy then none of this ever happened ever.
>>48242044
I killed archaon in TW:WH, he dropped a pigen plucker pendant
This is now canon.
>>48242087
I figure either spores or sex is a mutation, not through Chaos but through their own bizarre biology and possibly drinking Night Goblin booze.
Any tips for adventure ideas for my WHFRP Campaign. I've had Katl Franz killed off and am planning to have the empire plunge into a civil war based off of the thirty years war, with the cult of Ulric and the cult of sigmas being the main factions, after the new empower bans worship of Ulric as he is a devote sigmarite.However I am now at a loss as to how to have the party involved as they are only halfway through their first career and was wondering if anyone here could help me.
>>48242163
>WHFRP
>Trying to do a world changing empire spanning campaign
This isn't DnD my man.
Your players are baby schmucks who can die from getting tapped too hard on the soft spot on their heads.
If you really want them involved in a meaningful way rip off one of the Empire BL books.
>they're searching houses for enemies while soldiering
>find the body of an imperial messenger dead in the attic
>take their findings to their commander
>commander tells them that it's now their job to hunt down the assassin
>turns out that their commander was a bad guy the entire time and the assassin is ready for them
>they deal with assassin
>they go back and silently assassinate commander and vacate
>they find a scroll listing traitorous compatriots and can chose a side, either going to a name on the list and asking to help/join, killing off the people listed, or taking the list to the other side so they know the enemies in their midst
Don't have them try to do anything drastic like lead a civil war or fight dragons/giants, man.
Even fighting an ogre the party should have like a 50-75% fatality rate.
>>48242163
>>48242163
>Katl Franz
NO
YOU HAD TO PROTECT THAT SMILE
>>48242263
NOT PROTECTING THAT SMILE DOES NOT HAVE MY CONSENT
>>48242263
>tfw no Karl Franz x Morathi/Alarielle fics
>tfw no information of his wife and kids during End Times
Fuck GW, KFC is better than Shitmar.
>>48242354
But it does SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS.
>>48242442
GW makes wargames, nit civilian games.
That's why you'll never see something as pointless as a mystery solved by a vampire barmaid in (current GW IP). Just war, fought by men, with none of the boring or emotional parts. A narrative equivalent of one big God Of War quicktime event.
>>48242614
Jokes on you God of War become dad x son relationships simulator.
>>48242089
>The new AoS universe refers to Warhammer as "the world that never was".
Actually it's referred to as "the world that was" which is literally the opposite of what you seem to think. How can you be so wrong?
>>48242733
Yeah. Until he dies in the prologue.
You know its going to happen.
>>48242742
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who types that phrase out deserves an AoS Archaon shoved up their ass sideways.
so i only got into this through twwh and i recently had a look at the chaos warriors army book, specifically chosen
i had a question regarding their reward of chaos ability/eye of the gods rule
lets say you have a chosen champion and roll a 12, turning him into a demon prince
how powerful is this/how much of an edge would this give you in a tabletop game ?
>>48242855
Same for anyone who uses "Aelves" and "Seraphon" and whatnot.
As time goes on I'm warming up to AoS bit by bit, but they're still fucking Lizardmen and Orcs and Elves.
>>48242032
The Skarsnik novel also talks about sporcs.
>>48242949
Maybe Lizardmen is a low-Imperial slang for Seraphon.
>>48242742
There's a line in the newest released book.
>>48243403
The skarsnik novel talks about spore squigs.
I didn't see anything about Orcs and I read it a couple days ago.
>>48243517
That refers to it as the world that was.
What was the bit of art that inspired you to get into Warhammer Fantasy, folks? It was this on the cover of the first White Dwarf I bought, which made me start collecting High Elves.
>finally bought the Dragon after about 8 years of dithering about it
>it still holds up better than some kits released this year
>>48243596
My best friend's older brother played lizardmen, so when we were really little growing up we played games of pretend as lizardmen based on snippits of fluff we knew. Looking back it was pretty autistic, but also quite fun. Many many years later i bit the bullet and moved from IG 40k into my own lizardman army. So i guess for me it was the real oldschool lizardmen, the Slann priest on his plinth was just so cool.
Afterwards i feel in love with the badass moustaches and rifles of the empire of Sigmar, but age of Shitmar dropped before i actually made the jump and i never ended up buying them. Rip hopes and dreams. Now i live my master of ordanance warhammer fantasies through the Warsword Conquest mod for Mount and Blade
>>48243405
No.
Unless Seraphon is Elf slang for whatever they really are.
Seraphon is a terrible name.
>>48242251
Dumb opinion.
There wouldn't be a daemonslayer career or stats for giants if you weren't expected to kill one at the edge of a campaign now and then.
>>48242163
If this is occurring just after the Storm, the Sigmarites might have a schism too, since Valten is dead and Johan Esmer is still butthurt about being made to gtfo.
Honestly what your players do depends on what power level they start at.
>>48242442
Apparently all we know about Franz's daughter is that she's bangable. I don't think she even has a name.
I don't think even Morathi is kinky enough to polish KF's warhammer.
>>48242897
>tfw nobody answers you
on another note, is sigvald any good as a lord in the tabletop ?
>>48243898
Which edition, duder
>>48242897
Not as much as you would think. Ir will only make him a bigger target for artillery fire.
Sure he would wreck shit in melee, but it's doubtful your opponent will let him get close
>>48244069
alright ty
>>48243898
and what about sigvald ?
>>48244108
Don't know much, but i think he's basically the fantasy version of Lucius the Eternal. Crazy strong in duels but overall weak as a commander
>>48244147
well ty, would probably still be better than in twwh
what would be a good lord choice then ?
Has anyone here tried using Tabletop Simulator to play Warhammer Fantasy Battle? There are several really good 3d model sets for a lot of the teams, but i am curious if it works well/is not terrible clunky to play this way?
>>48244257
TTS as a whole is incredibly clunky and the devs are mostly incompetent. It works for boardgames and limited figure miniature games, but that's it.
>>48244311No good then eh? That is a shame, i was hoping to finally run my MOAR GUNZ empire army that i always wanted
>>48243596
AoS anon here, and Pic related, and other examples of Warriors of Chaos not at war. Something about these brutal warriors simply marching or standing about look so badass and menacing. They're the reason Im getting into Warrior of Chaos. As for Vampire counts, I just like Vampires and the undead
>>48244177
On tabletop chaos sucks enough. A good go-to option would be a magoc user like a demon prince of nurgle or slaanesh. Tzeentch lore is a bit shit afaik.
If you're going for a human-centered army, either a khorne chosen on juggernaut or a magic user on a disc of tzeentch for mobility
Consider this. Eye of the gods can either give you a boon or fuck you over. One on one duels are not much of use if your army crumbles around the champion
>>48243596
this is the perfect image
I wish salamanders were still cannons.
>>48245020
Wait, what are salamanders? Chaos Lizardmen?
>>48245091
>what are salamanders?
the orange, fire-spitting lizards?
They used to function more as artillery than short-range support.
>>48243596
Seeing this as one of the older White Dwarfs' cover art, from around the storm of chaos or before I think
I couldnt find a larger version of this so if someone has one i'd be much obliged
>>48242251
>>48243859
Thank you, I am well aware of the limitations of a WHFRP campaign and don't intend to have the players leading large armies. I was planning more for them to possibly do mercenary work in the midst of the conflict but was wondering what would be missions that a small party could go on during the war. I've also set it up so that the Lahmians are responsible for setting the turmoil, as they and the von Carsteins are are both making power plays in the chaos. So what would you recommend ?
>>48245144
Nah, the lizard things in that guys picture. Are Salamanders no longer canon? Dont they have mini's?
>>48245409
CANNON and CANON are different words
Ralamanders (the orange, fire-spitting lizards) functioned as long-range artillery (CANNONS) in 5th edition.
>>48245287
Assassinations, spying, running lost messages. They might also get tied up in the war from the criminal end: smuggling is going to go bonanza during a war economy, with taxes high and supplies scarce. It could be as simple as finding the right corpse in a room at a coaching inn or a dead messenger and suddenly they're in on the intrigue.
As a rule, Lahmians don't do civil wars. They're about the long game, and behind secularist movements in the Old World. The Von Carsteins have tried the civil war ploy before, actually - during the Ulrika novels, they try to do just what they accomplish in your prospective game.
The PCs might easily end up working for a Lahmian or a von Carstein without even knowing it, though the former is much more likely.
>>48243596
I know I'm a newfag, but this is what made me realize Warhammer wasn't Nazi cyborgs (what I thought Space Marines were) played by obese socially crippled men in their 40's.
Seeing a brilliant example of some wonderfuly awesome fantasy battle between shining soldiers of good and the vile forces of darkness.
See, everything I had seen previously while browsing miniatures for my 3.5 D&D games looked like Warriors of Chaos and Space Marines, and that bulky aesthetic never looked good to me.
>>48245439
Wow, now I feel like a idiot because I skipped over the text entirely while focusing on the picture. Still, what are those Lizard things? They dont look like Normal lizardmen.
>>48245671
its lizardmen
Just old art
>>48243839
Yeah but his guys are jut starting out.
>>48245724
Wow, thats pretty crazy. Those guys in the picture look almost more like Chaos or Orcs rather than Lizardmen. Just goes to show much a concept can change.
>>48243596
>Hey, those elves don't look like pansies, they have axes!
>this might be a good setting.
>>48243596
> "That's the coolest thing I've ever seen
- Me as a 10 y/o
>>48246090
Not gonna lie, even though I never played any chaos-aligned faction, this guy on the 6th ed. Hordes of Chaos army books got me in the game.
Please help me choose a T9A army.
Having played Beastmen for years under 8th, I'm fucking sick of them and want something completely different. I've tried to do this logically by ranking armies, but I can't stick to a single idea. Please give me some advice on the matter.
I'm looking for an army with extreme maneuverability and wonky movement/deployment rules. Things like Vanguard, Ambush, Scout and Fliers are exactly what I want.
I also want 'reach' rather than raw firepower. I want the ability to reach over the table and hit things, whether that be from ridiculous speed or simple long-ranged weapons and artillery.
I'd like a token nod to combat just to keep my opponent interested, and I straight-up do not give a shit about magic. Any spells I would have, I'd prefer magic missiles over buffs/debuffs.
I've narrowed it down to a favourite few and am looking for the least-obnoxious to play against.
> Lizardmen
Skink-heavy, lots of flying and scout units. Modelled as fishmen for reasons.
> Dwarfs
Gyro-spam, Miners and Slayers.
> Bretonnia
Pegasus-heavy and lots of smelly Peasants
> Goblins
Pure Goblins with a shitload of chariots, wolves and giants.
Which would be the least-bad to fight against?
>>48245805
I kind of like the old school Lizardmen look.
>>48246873
What about a spirit heavy Vampire Counts army? Use Ghouls as your core, and spend the rest on spooky ghosts, Bats and fast beasties? And vampires themselves can be fast and hard hitting.
Although, I think Lizardmen could also do it. I'd love to hear the background of why they look aquatic.
>>48246873
No High Elf Shadow Warriors, Scouting Spearmen, and flying Chariots?
>>48247254
I strongly dislike Elves after dealing with them all the way through 7th and 8th edition. Admittedly that was more the players than the army. I haven't looked at them at all in 9th but I'll try that now.
>>48247232
I was considering that one for a while, until my most-regular opponent took up Vampires. In the interest of group diversity I'm not really considering them.
Fish-wise, I'm thinking a temple city that sunk because of not!Cthulhu and became not!R'Lyeh. Lots of tentacles and extravagant monster conversions.
Pic related is a Bastiladon/Thyroscutus.
>>48247437
I can only speak as a HE fluff player, but the army is fun.
The problem was association with cunty WAAC players, and actually having to actively avoid the OP unit combinations.
But that isn't really a problem in 9th, and no WAAC faggot takes Skycutters and Shadow Warriors or the non-Teclis/Korhil special characters.
Still, I do play for fluff and models and if the HE ones doesn't interest you then skip 'em.
Dorfs only get a bad rep for their gunlines and cannons, melee Dorfs are great opponents. I have no experience with the other two though, sorry.
>>48247437
I like the idea of there being a underwater temple city, filled with fishy Lizardmen, but im hesitant to see Lizardmen of any sort become corrupted by anything. Afterall, they are the first and most loyal servants of the Old Ones. But, I could see it happening, especially if isnt chaos, and if its almost like Sotek; they still worship the Old Ones, but now they have a new figure head to it. Or you could go full mystery with it. Either way, look at stuff like Wrath of King's House Hadross or Deepwars for some good, underwater beasties.
>>48247830
What ifthe corruption came from the last surviving Old One, left insane and physically deformed from the Gates collapse. Still pursuing their anti-Chaos survival plan underneath all the insanity and ruthless morality is a possible character hook.
I'd just be aware of inserting such a massive plot twist into a setting that requires their death as a fairly constant fluff point.
>>48247960
Hm. Honestly, im pretty open to any sort of fluff, so long as its intresting and doesnt have instant and world shattering effects.Play it up as a mystery; the Lizardmen believe that the creature sleeping below their temple is a Old One, still recovering from the collapse. But there is both evidence for and against it, and right now, only their Slann knows the truth. Maybe they're right; it is indeed a wounded old one. Or perhaps, even worse, they are wrong.
>>48240352
Speaking of Lizardmen, what do they do in their freetime?
>>48249048
Unexist.
>>48249048
They're either training, hunting, out on patrol or standing guard over something when they aren't fighting. Saurus are known to stand in one place so long dust starts collecting on them. Lizardmen don't really have a concept of "free time" since they pretty much do what they Re programmed to don
>>48249048
Saurus don't really get free time, being essentially robots. I imagine their idea of free time would be guard or garrison duty, protecting the cities and sacred sites against treasure hunters and being vigilant for Chaos/Skaven corruption.
Other activities might include training, breaking steeds or hunting for food. Patrols are probably a regular thing as well.
Skinks would be running the show in terms of managing food production, rebuilding efforts and monster farming. Weapons have to be smithed somewhere and a few will be attendants to the Slann, keeping them fed and recording the stars.
Kroxigor will be similar to the Saurus with more emphasis on physical lifting and rebuilding efforts.
Where do Zoats live?
Anyone have any fluff on them?
Alright, I liked the first 2 Ulrika novels but in the third I'm mostly cheering for her to get burnt.
>>48249628
Yeah. She reverts back to her Gotrek and Felix self in book 2 and 3.
>>48249607
Storm of Magic mentions them.
>>48249816
>She reverts back to her Gotrek and Felix self in book 2 and 3.
Bitchy and naggy?
To be honest her entire character in Gotrek and Felix feel like the writer was having marital issues.
>>48249607
Tyranid Hiveships. :^)
So this Archwarhammer bloke seems to be pretty popular. How can someone have respect for him when he's always sucking Radious's cock? Pfft he dosen't give a shit about the lore.
>>48249843
>Bitchy and naggy?
A stupid hypocrite who basically is her own undoing.
She's mostly fine in 2. She's still making dumb, obvious mistakes, but she's still less than a year as a vampire, so I give her some leash there.
The real mystery is how the hell she comes back after the 3rd book.
>>48249969
He's a very very very heavy skirmisher
>>48249969
>Tried to listen to it.
>"Greeting and salutations friends"
>Dude sounds like his balls haven't dropped.
>Immediately close the window.
Wew lad.
>>48249969
Please put some meaning to these words by providing context.
Who the fuck are you even talking about?
>>48249980
She doesn't.
The third book is the final one for her. She shows up in End Times alongside Genevieve as Neferata's minor subordinates.
Both die unceremoniously offscreen.
>>48250104
>She doesn't.
She does. When Gotrek and Felix go back to Nuln, 15 years after the events of the third book, they encounter her working with the Lahmians again.
I suppose ET might technically have retconned this? I don't care, ET is Smegmar fluff.
>Tfw you cant find a Exalted Hero under 30.00$
How can I fight for the dark gods if I dont have a duel axe carrying murder machine?
>>48250192
Find a proxy? Mierce, Avatars Of War, Reaper, and so on.
>>48249889
Underrated post.
I'm still looking for a picture of these flagellants form a GW publication. They're 1992 models, which means they were around in 4th edition. But I've only seen one, one!, picture of them.
And I can't remember where.
Anyone else remember seeing them? GW had them in the Empire list, but never showed them as part of any Empire armies from 4th until 6th edition.
>>48250631
check all 4th and 5th edition Whitedwarfs.
>>48250664
That's my next step. Wish me luck... those are old.
>>48250609
It's really hard anon, but I cant find any that rival the awesome GW one. I'll keep looking through Ebay though
>>48250192
Try bartertown.
There are a few people selling/trading chaos dudes right now in the fantasy section.
Any lesbians in Warhammer? Love the setting, but I love Yuri even more....
>>48251373
How do you feel about a Lesbian Vampire Illuminaty?
>>48251373
How do you feel about vampire egyptian bisexuals who keep lesbian nun harems?
>>48251393
>>48251414
How do you feel about these two combined?
Forgive me for not knowing, but what does MSU stand for again? Is it Mass Shooting Units?
>>48252086
Oh wait, it stands for Multiple Small Units.
>>48249607
>intermingling their guttural battle cries with frightening philosophical truths.
And here I thought Zoats were boring.
What are the Fimir? The 1d4chan page on Zoats mentions them.
>>48253457
Nasty deformed cannibal troll-like creature completely unrelated to trolls.
Procreate solely through rape.
Living in swamps.
Based off the the DnD Formorian.
The closest thing a setting has to a completely pure evil race.
>>48253494
Um... aren't Skaven pure evil? I literally cannot think of a single redeeming moral quality to them.
>>48253494
Honestly, Im kinda glad that the idea of Orcs producing through spores kibda got brought over whfb. Between all the Viking Rape, Dark Elf rape, Beastmen rape, Daemon rape, and Fimir rape, its refreshing to have a race that can reproduce without rape. Seriously, the rape ratio is out of whack; the women of the peasantry must be endangered.
I had a warhammer fantasy rpg (3rd edition heavily homebrewed) campaign that retconned the mordheim destruction to happen 1/3 of the way into the campaign. My players used the opportunity to sell black market warpstone.
>reading 9th age for Dwarves
>Nerfs all around
>Runes gutted
>Runesmiths given half assed buffs
Let me guess, Vampires, Chaos, Skaven and elves are all still fantastic?
Only thing even remotely good is they reintroduced Doomseekers.
>>48253580
>Honestly, Im kinda glad that the idea of Orcs producing through spores kibda got brought over whfb.
Well it depends on what fluff you consider canon.
As was gone over in the first half of the thread there's a whole lot of evidence of orcs procreating like normal.
>>48253553
Skaven have goals and aspirations other than evil; even the lust for power and the backstabbing to get it isn't unadulterated evil.
Fimir literally exist "to do hoodrat stuff with my friends".
They literally only do things that are explicitly against normal human moral code.
It's a badguy race without any hopes or dreams other than to do disgusting things.
I prefer spore orcs myself. Orc families and societies that work like human ones (or at least similar) just seems dumb.
>>48253580
>Seriously, the rape ratio is out of whack; the women of the peasantry must be endangered.
Not especially, and not even when compared with real life peasants in warzones.
Most peasants will never run into any of those races.
>Dark Elves are usually either coastal or in their homeland
>Vikings are in the extreme far north and more likely to kill than rape
>beastmen rarely scrounge up enough moxy to attack actual human settlements and even then rape is an afterthought
>daemons are not going to be seen by peasants unless it's the middle of a battle or something
>Fimir are critically endangered and live in small swamps at the edges of the world
>It's implied that orcs have raped before but they're also one of those races that you're not going to run into unless your province has been invaded or you're a soldier
Just because it's mentioned in passing that they are capable of doing it doesn't mean it's an extremely common thing.
It's mostly just shock value and something to confirm to the reader that these are bad dudes.
The theme of the setting may be war but unless you're a state troop or your province itself has been invaded you're not going to see what a soldier would see.
Especially when compared with real life wartime when normal human soldiers raised in polite and normal households commit rape on a massive scale.
>>48253723
Well it's fine that you prefer that.
>>48253763
And I should qualify the beastmen bit here with saying that they do attack settlements, cities, towns, etc...
It's just that you're far more likely to be attacked by them on the road or while in the forest than sitting in your home village.
Beastmen warbands have to be pretty big or led by a powerful beast before they begin seriously besieging villages without a very good reason.
>>48242263
Any art with his visor down? What's the point if he never uses it.
>>48253723
>>48253677
To me, its weird picturing Female orcs, from what I know about Orcs. Would they be war obsessed as much as the men? Are babby Orcs first words "Waaagh"? I feel like its hard to decide which gives then more depth as a race; the idea that they are so envolped by war that it is part of their reproductive system, or that there may be more to Orcs than the blood thirsty savages that they are. Although, I think we can agree that Goblins come from spores, less their women dont look much different the men
>>48253763
So wait, how often does the Empire have to fight? From the sound of thibgs, its made out that they're constantly under attack.
>>48253677
Almost every other fantasy setting has rapist orcs, I'm glad 8ed retconned that away and gave us spore orcs. Makes a lot more sense on how orcs seem to be popping out everywhere, and gives credit to the known truth that orcs can never fully be exterminated
>>48253914
>So wait, how often does the Empire have to fight? From the sound of thibgs, its made out that they're constantly under attack.
It's a big Empire with a big standing army and each province is a big province with a big standing army.
Massive orc and chaos invasions are usually a once a lifetime sort of thing.
The Empire has existed for thousands of years but there are still many thousands of villages dotting the land and a fair urban population.
There are always beastmen in the woods.
There are always small orc warbands causing a ruckus somewhere.
Norscan raids are a common occurrence in Nordland and other northern provinces.
There are always battles to be fought but wars are a different matter.
But the huge, world spanning, devastating wars that they go into in some of the war-based black library novels are just tales that your grandfather tells until they happen to you.
Reading the Empire BL books it seems like they're constantly under the threat of extinction, but if you look at the dates those books stretch like 1000 years.
The current era (8th edition era before end times) is pretty dangerous.
Chaos invasions in the north, beastmen coming out of every corner, and orcs pouring into the Empire at unprecedented rates.
But that's not the normal standard for how things operated for the centuries leading up to that.
>>48241842
>Archaon is literally Abbadon; a witless retard beaten multiple times that the developers have an extreme erection for.
Burt Archaon launched one invasion and he won. He wasn't beaten in the canonical timeline so he is nothing like Abaddon.
>>48242032
>Because it's one line that contradicts a ton of interesting material that give a little bit of life to the setting.
Orc related novels or novels that featured Greenskin has Greenskins being born from spores.
"Return of Nagash" and "Skarsnik" are examples of this.
>>48243539
Die of cancer please.
The Skarsnik character emerges from the earth from his spore sack alongside several other Goblins youths.
>>48242042
>GW rejects the concept of continuity anyway with the statement that everything is canon, not everything is true.
Source this. I am sick and tired of this being claimed with zero proof provided. Show me where this is officially stated.
>>48253677
>whole lot of evidence of orcs procreating like normal.
You have yet to point at a single one.
>>48253974
>I'm glad 8ed retconned that away and gave us spore orcs.
>implying
>>48253914
I like the idea of the original Orc normal-reproduction style because it allows for more leeway socially.
While the main goal of Orcs is to wage war and expand, it's not to the silly proportions that it is in 40k where the spore stuff was thought up.
Fantasy Orcs work as mercenaries, understand the value of gold, and have ambitions unrelated to constant warfare.
Fantasy Orcs are still about the Wagh, less about the WAAAAAGH.
40k sporcs were required to explain how they spread that fast through the entire galaxy and can come to cover entire planets in pure greenskin biomass.
Fantasy orc armies have been outnumbered by human armies in the fluff before and it takes them many years before they're able to wage another massive war after their last.
The couple recent fluff bits replacing Vaginorcs with Sporcs are canon enough, but so are the 30 years of fluff before that was ported over from 40k.
So it's really up to you on how you want to fluff your army or explain away inconsistencies in the books.
Because if you like Sporcs you're going to find stuff that contradicts your canon.
If you like Vaginaorcs you're going to find stuff that contradicts your canon.
It's just the way it is with GW writers all following their own headcanon.
>>48254091
>>48240433
>>48240687
Followed up by >>48241703
To explain the first line of this, >>48240352 that makes it sound like a Saruman experiment.
Then the female bloodbowl cheerleaders if you consider bloodbowl canon.
>>48241750
Bloodbowl being canon is a weird subject as it's never explicitly stated to be alternate universe but it's also silly to apply blood bowl canon to normal fantasy.
>>48254104
Your post contradicts the canon stated in the 8th ED Orc army books. Greenskinare without number in the WHFB world and are only outnumbered Skaven.
Point at a modern source that says that Orc females exist. You can't.
>>48254143
>Point at a modern source that says that Orc females exist. You can't.
Did you read the second half of my post?
I stated modern fluff contradicts it, but that old fluff contradicts modern stuff.
Either way you make your own personal army both sides are supported by material put out by GW at some point or another.
It's like saying End Times is more canon than Storm of Chaos.
I personally prefer Orcs being a bunch of asexual spore fungi people, it makes them a lot less evil and unlikable (for me, at least) than, say, Beastmen or Norscans. Plus, I find it a lot cooler, funnier and weirder that they're effectively a bunch of mushroom people.
The only thing that would make Orcs perfect is if they were very big on brutally neutering prisoners (if they still take them, that is) as well.
>>48254059
>Dark. Cold. Damp. A slick membrane gave way, and soft hands found wet soil. There was nothing thinking in the little mind that worked the hands, not yet, nothing except the impulse to dig, to go upwards.
>The soil was moist and full of rocks that scratched his hands. The goblin runt struggled hard, lungs burning. Spots flickered in the black. His life was done almost as it had begun.
>A hand broke the surface, flapping madly in the air. The second followed, then a bald, pointy head. Were there strong light in the cavern, the newly spawned goblin would have appeared a whitish green. But there was not. Only the weak blue shine of glowshrooms held back the dark, and all was dingy.
>The Runt pulled himself up out of the hole. A huge mushroom stood above his birthing-hole, wilting and black now it had served its purpose. The goblin lay on his back, panting. Scrabbling noises came from the cave all around him; other runts, pulling themselves out of the earth.
>The Runt was feeble. The soil in the cavern was thin and rocky. The light was too dim. No orclings would be born there, only runty goblins and snotlings and squigs. These lesser animals flapped and slithered and snarled and bit their way out of the dark earth into the cold air of the cave.
Here is the bit where the Skarsnik character is born. You can see that snotlings, squigs, and other gobos are being born in this spot. No Orcs though because the soul is too poor quality for Orc spores to flourish.
The 8th ED army book is clear that first the lesser greenskins are born and then afterwards the Orcs emerge.
Anyways, I would like to restate that anon I responded to should die of eye cancer for being a liar. I fucking hate liars.
>>48254073
Not him but I legitimately cannot find it.
I've found dozens of references all across the web of Games Workshop saying "fluff is told by an unreliable narrator, and is therefore true and false at the same time" but it's all by players.
I can't find anything official by GW saying that, just players all repeating it.
A while back one BL writer satly about people disregarding the End Times and pretending it didn't happen said that the newest canon is always the most important.
But then again most people in these threads don't consider End Times canon for the purpose of fluff discussion because of the way it ties into AoS.
>>48254206
Salty****
>>48254196
>Anyways, I would like to restate that anon I responded to should die of eye cancer for being a liar. I fucking hate liars.
Or I misread it?
Cuck.
>>48254169
What-the fucking-ever. The point that being discussed here IS does female Orcs exist in current fantasy setting which is widely accepted version of the setting aka the modern and matured WHFB of 5th ED, 6th ED, 7th ED, and 8th ED if you will?
No, they don't. The Orcs reproduce via spores. If you want to create your own headcanon version of WHFB with female Orcs then do so. No need tp bother us with it and claim your version is somehow valid to anyone but yourself.
>>48254238
That anon just likes to jerk off to orc porn.
>>48254223
No, that's impossible. How can you misread AN ENTIRE PAGE OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CHARACTER IN THE FIRST CHAPTERS.
Cancer is too good for you for double lying.
>>48254206
It isn't stated anywhere by GW because they didn't say it.
It was stated unofficially by BL authors such as ADB, Gav, and Marc on online forums. They said this is their personal views on 40K's canon. GW on the other hand said nothing official.
>>48254238
>If you want to create your own headcanon version of WHFB with female Orcs then do so. No need tp bother us with it and claim your version is somehow valid to anyone but yourself.
So hobgoblins, zoats, firmir, pygmies, and their ilk are headcanon at this point as well?
Just because something isn't mentioned a couple decades in a 35 year old setting doesn't mean it never happened.
>>48254268
>No, that's impossible. How can you misread AN ENTIRE PAGE OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THE CHARACTER IN THE FIRST CHAPTERS.
>Cancer is too good for you for double lying.
If you physically cannot comprehend someone missing a couple paragraphs in an entire novel, to the point of sperging out like this, then something's up.
>>48251373
High Elves do it in Avelorn, the eternal summer of love.
About 1/5 of the Vampire population does it. Some are bi, and have metrosexual guys on the side.
There's also Slaanesh...
>>48254169
>It's like saying End Times is more canon than Storm of Chaos.
It is though, the majority of this board just chooses to ignore it because they're mad about AoS. Which is the canon successor of Warhammer fantasy. But since this board likes to put their own headcanon above published canon, we more or less agree to ignore it.
Turn back the timeline a few years, 8ed, the most recent edition, is more canon than storm of chaos. Do you not know how retcons work? Old canon had female orcs, bretonnia being on the verge of conquering he empire, dark elves worshipping slaanesh, Slaan and lizardmen being different races and other things no longer part of the setting. All of this was retconned by 8ed
>>48253580
It was never rape.
When there were Half-Orcs, they were the result of savage human tribes intermingling with Orc tribes.
There was no canon rape involved, at all. The only canon rape of captives and prisoners is done by Dark Elves, Warriors of Chaos, and Beastmen. Also Vampires depending on how you view what happened to Genevieve and Ulrika.
>>48254302
Hobogoblins got mentioned in novels and FW stuff. As did the Fimir who are being ported to AoS by the way with new models and fluff. But that doesn't matter.
The Orcs are not an obscure race or piece of fluff. They have a lot focus in the fluff about how their society works, how they breed, how they fight, etc. In the decade of modern WHFB fluff. why have they neglected female Orcs in the tons of Orc content? Because they don't exist. GW wanted their Orcs to be special.
Female Orcs? They don't exist. The Orcs reproduce via spores with no need for females. Entire tribes spring up from the dirt from a single Orc corpse which is shown in the Feral Orcs in Southlands we originated from the corpses of dead pirate Orcs.
>>48254344
>Do you not know how retcons work?
Yes.
I, along with many people here, generally go by the previously aforementioned idea that GW canon was supposed to be "written by an unreliable narrator" and things along those lines.
>>48254268
>>48254206
>>48254073
>>48242042
I didn't know until now that it's only something put out by authors and not actual GW policy.
>>48253672
No.
They nerfed the shit out of shooting and cannons, but also nerfed monsters to compensate. Monsters aren't unstoppable killing machines but you can't cannon snipe anymore. Its balanced.
There are no OP armies in T9A, shit is completely balanced.Seriously, go check High Elves. We took the nerf bat HARD across the board, but it was badly needed.
Also, stop fucking whining. You can actually make it across the board now.
>>48254320
A few paragraph? There is an entire CHAPTER see (>>48254367) about the birth of Skarsnik and his "brothers" and the birth of more greenskins as he is being trained in his new role as a runt.
It's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to miss it. The novel goes back to the birthing cave again at some point.
Triple cancer for you.
>>48254385
That's a couple paragraphs.
I honestly remembered that first intro bit as them being thrown into the cave.
The rest of it is about collecting the fungus and the squigs running around, which is where I got the idea that it was just squigs being born.
Quadruple autism for you.
>>48253723
I don't like spores because it makes Orcs too one dimensional. I love the chaos if some orcs come about from spores, others through sex, and their society is just one massive clusterfuck that nobody else can understand.
Is that a baby or a Snotling? Is that an angry female or a fat Warboss? Why the fuck did they build a giant tower diagonally out of a tree and mount an artillery piece pointing down on it?
That's how Orcs should be. You know it makes sense, even if its clumsy as hell, but you don't know HOW it makes sense. By saying "There are only spores", you've added a limit that should not be there. If anything, they should be like Humon animal reproduction comics where its all over the place.
>>48254400
Yeah but modern fluff says that it's just spores.
Even this anon >>48254373 admitted that GW doesn't have an official policy.
Meaning the newest is the best.
Always.
Don't even try to argue your headcanon.
>>48254399
>I honestly remembered that first intro bit as them being thrown into the cave.
Either are super illiterate or shameless lying.
Have some more cancer.
>>48254373
>a rare instance of an anon admitting he made a mistake
he's shown more maturity than most people who will stubbornly cling to their opinion even when clearly proven wrong
As for the unreliable narrator, I take that to an extent. The unit entires and introduction fluff written in the rulebooks and BRB can pretty much be taken at face value, while the stories and timeline portions are more unreliable narrator/leave so much information out that the event is out of context
so wait
people are actually arguing whether or not there are female orcs?
thats retarded
There are no female orcs, greenskins are born from spores.
If you reference bloodbowl, you are retarded because 1. they are in there as a joke and 2. bloodbowl is its own separate reality from warhammer fantasy
cmon guys get your shit together
>>48254461
The stuff people were referencing was from really old 3rd and 4th edition rulebooks that haven't been sold in decades.
>>48254476
>>48254461
One guy referenced bloodbowl, because some perv decided to put tits on an orc.
>>48254378
Cannon nerf i got but shooting?
how was shooting nerfed?
also >tfw no more poison volley glade guard
feelsbadman
>>48254017
WRONG!
Archaon has been beat billions of times, because Be'lakor resets the timelines each time he loses!
A preexisting timeline is still canon, even if its wiped away in-universe!
For example, Flashpoint retconned the previous DC Comics universe into the New 52. But since it was an ongoing story where one timeline ended and another began, the previous timeline is still canon to have existed despite the fact it does not affect the current one!
So as a result, Archaon is literally the biggest failure who has ever existed including all the times he has simply refused to be Archaon and Be'lakor hit the reset button and said a speech slightly differently.
>>48254143
8th edition is End Times and thus AoS canon, dipshit.
Nothing 8e is canon to Warhammer Fantasy.
>>48254186
I prefer Night Goblins, Forest Goblins, and Black Orcs are the only sporefolk, since they're the most alien of the greenskins.
>>48254504
are you baiting or just plain retarded
or perhaps a newfriend?
nah its definitely bait or sarcasm
i'll respond anyway so the babies dont get confused
8th edition had existed for a long time before end times got made
>>48254504
Nah, I'm the original guy he was replying to and I even I've admitted the mistake.
8th made a lot of changes, love or hate them, but they were canon for a long time before End Times.
>>48254196
>I fucking hate liars.
...why the fuck are you on the internet at all then?
More importantly, why the fuck are you on 4chan where anonymity allows anyone to say anything they want with no fear of repercussion or anyone knowing who made what posts?
That's like joining the NRA and going to a meeting with their pet politicians to talk about gun control.
>>48254344
>Which is the canon successor of Warhammer fantasy.
CUT OFF YOUR HANDS AND SEW YOUR MOUTH SHUT, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SUBHUMAN SHIT
>>48254533
not everyone lies on here, anon
people say stupid things but thats just ignorance speaking
also
>round base
>>48254490
>Archaon has been beat billions of times, because Be'lakor resets the timelines each time he loses!
No, Be'lakor reset the reality to ensure Kasnter fell to Chaos and to ensure that Archaon keeps his journey towards being the Everchosen.
Archaon found out about Be'lakor and defeated him twice, breaking his power over time and space. He forced Be'lakor to name him the Everchosen and began his invasion which succeed.
So back to the original point. Archaon launched a single invasion and succeed. The whole thing about Be'lakor twisting his destiny is moot because Archaon ripped his destiny from Be'lakor's hand and become free. The only man that was ever free but the irony here is that he imprisoned himself with his pride and hate for Sigmar.
>>48254504
Fuck off.
>>48254533
>More importantly, why the fuck are you on 4chan where anonymity allows anyone to say anything they want with no fear of repercussion or anyone knowing who made what posts?
Which includes me wishing cancer on would-be liars.
>>48254367
>Because they don't exist. GW wanted their Orcs to be special.
You're a fucking retard. There was only two pieces of fiction that even had Orcs in any form before Games Workshop. Tolkien and Dungeons & Dragons, but D&D Orcs were fucking anthropomorphic pigs at the time.
They weren't trying to make theirs "special" because they were one of the first entries on the field.
In fact, theirs are so completely non-special that every single piece of fiction with Orcs that came after Warhammer ripped off the Warhammer Orcs in every way other than the spores.
Which was just a throwaway gag for 40k that the memespouting autistic players of the inferior Warhammer latched onto, just like yelling BLUDFERDABLUDGAWD and WAAAGH at the top of their lungs in a fucking store. The problem is that the current writers ARE those autists. Which is why they enforce that you play the game Their Way so hard.
"Oh, you like female Orcs? We don't, its non-canon, shut up and buy more models." "Oh, you like space Dwarfs? We don't, its non-canon, shut up and buy more models." "Oh, you like Warhammer Fantasy? We don't anymore, its dead, shut up and buy more expensive models."
>>48254575
This is a TRUE and HONEST rendition of your feelings, chris-chan?
>>48254414
>Meaning the newest is the best.
So The 9th Age is the best then.
Glad we have that figured out.
Also, fuck new canon, 7th was the last Warhammer edition. 8th was the intro for Age Of End Times Of Sigmar.
>>48254482
>Some perv
Fucking newfags, can't even Warhammer right.
>>48254595
Then by that logic 7th was the intro for 8th which was the intro for ET which was the intro for AoS.
Let's leave it at calling ET dubious canon so we don't call the entire setting bullshit.
>>48242614
>something as pointless as a mystery solved by a vampire barmaid in (current GW IP).
Christ, right in the feels.
I still feel that Drachenfels is one of the best Warhammer novels to come out of GW.
>>48254589
Ask the cancer cells manifested from my hate and disdain for you as they are germinating within you.
>>48254520
>>48254528
8th edition lore was all the retcons that lead into End Times.
8e is End Times lore. 8e is non-Chaos Elves, 8e is the ritual to resurrect Nagash starting.
8e was intentionally written as End Times, because Matt fucking Ward wrote all three Elf books specifically to lead into his magnum opus, End Times: Khaine.
>>48254582
look out boys, stand back
this is no longer just plain old autism
this, is A D V A N C E D autism
>>48254632
You realize Matt Ward disagreed with End Times, right?
He left GW when AoS hit.
>>48254610
No, 7th was the attempt to stabilize from Storm of Chaos.
6e was the intro for Storm.
8e is just garbage retcons that were a setup for End Times.
>>48254632
>8e is non-Chaos Elves,
Actually, it was 7th ED which had this.
And once again, fuck off.
>>48254643
He didn't like it, but still wrote for it.
He left because he felt he had closed the final chapter in Warhammer and had no interest in moving onto Age.
All three of the Elf books are just a lead-in for End Times: Khaine, which was his last book. That makes 1/4 of 8th Edition just a setup for ET.
>>48254681
But again, calling the entire edition BS calls into question the entire setting.
are we being raided or what
first female orcs and now "nngguuh only pre-5th edition is canon, 8th a shit"
Holy fucking shit its getting autistic in here
I've got to be careful not to breathe in any of these headcanon fumes, lest i contract the downs
>>48254643
I'm actually starting to miss him.
>>48254694
>oldhammer grognards
>raiding
Naw.
Just confused old people and angsty newfags that spent too long reading 1st edition WHFRP manuals.
Can you fucking socially-broken pieces of shit go even one fucking quarter without arguing about Oldhammer VS Nuhammer?
I don't care who fucking started it, you're all fucking dipshits for getting into this pathetic namecalling contest in the first place.
"Oh, I'm wishing you cancer." "Oh, you're autistic."
How about you're all fucking autistic cancer.
Honest, you fucking morons make me wish I could take back scanning anything for you wastes of oxygen and protein.
Discuss some fucking rules, answer some fucking questions for newbies, evaluate some fucking OCs, or go fuck yourselves back to whatever forums you crawled out from.
You guys understand that Storm of Chaos, End Times and Age of Sigmar are all canon for their respective products right?
I mean, if I was playing in a WFRP campaign set during the Siege of Middenheim, I'd be using the Storm of Chaos canon material.
If I was playing Age of Sigmar, I'd be following the End Times canon material.
End Times did retroactively alter the outcome of the Storm of Chaos global campaign, but that doesn't suddenly mean GW never released, sponsored and endorsed it. It just means that if you're playing ET or AoS, you accept that line of canon and if you're playing Storm of Chaos (and generally prior) you accept a different canon.
Use whatever works for you and your group, guys.
>>48254693
Not really. 8e wasn't a complete edition, only twelve army books and one mini campaign were released.
It was shut down in record time too.
8e is the smallest part of Warhammer history. It was barely around long enough to peddle any Finecast before it was dumped in the bin.
>>48254719
>too long reading 1st edition WFRP manuals.
>fixed that for you, chief.
>>48254721
hey i recognize this piece of text
its from the 8th ed
thus not canon :^)
>>48254742
It's a really old piece, actually. It keeps getting reprinted over different editions because it's just funny as fuck.
>>48254729
>windows 7 was shitcanned for windows 10, thus only windows xp matters
>>48254761
>can't tell if you're being sarcastic, ironic or just pointing out the obvious
>>48249048
Have you ever heard of holy Itzl's dinosaurs demolition derby?
8ed is canon. Endtimes is canon. Age of Sigmar is canon. You cannot deny this, it's objective fact. Just because everyone who still posts in WHFB generals collectively decided to cover their ears and go "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH I DON'T LIKE IT SO ITS NOT CANON LA LA LA LA LA" doesn't change anything. It may not agree with your headcanon, you may hate it, but that doesn't mean shit. It's canon.
9th is a fan made project and is not canon. This is also undeniable fact.
>inb4 shitposter
Nope, just stating facts.
>>48254816
Yeah, we read you the first time.
>>48254727
>>48254816
idk i just do like with DD where, if there's an edition you prefer, play that and not the newer ones
no one is stopping you from playing 3,5 edition dungeons and dragons just because 5th edition exists
i also dont know why autists have such a problem with 8th ed as if its literally age of sigmar and rewrote every last thing in the fluff
which is not true
>>48254816
Well sure, but these threads are specifically made with the idea that 9th is the spiritual successor to Warhammer.
ET and AoS discussion are specifically limited in the thread OP because for the purpose of this corner of /tg/ AoS is non-canon.
Go make another Warhammer Fantasy thread that specifically allows ET and AoS while banning 9th if you want that.
>>48254841
>i also dont know why autists have such a problem with 8th ed
It's one guy and honestly I think he's being disingenuous to mock the people that were using 3rd edition stuff as evidence for their arguments.
>>48254841
The vast majority of the things in 8th already existed since at least 6ed. Not counting storm of chaos/endtimes, The only things that really changed were the elf pantheons and dark elves not worshipping slaanesh. Which was 7ed anyways. Some new units got added in but that doesn't really count as a retcon. If you read the 8ed rulebooks, only the elf, dwarf and vampire counts ones were written as direct tie ins to endtimes.
>>48254853
Check the post times, its at least three guys.
Also, people can use whatever edition they want. Its as autistic to claim only the new editions count as it is to claim only the old ones do.
>>48254874
Um, anon? That's 5 army books. Out of twelve for that edition.
You're saying that almost half of 8e was a direct tie in to End Times.
>>48254874
i dont believe GW was planning to shitcan Whfb at the time of making 8th ed
why would they bother with wasting resources and time on an 8th edition if they just remove it anyway
>>48254899
> wasting resources
They hardly wasted brainpower with 8th Ed, and if people purchased product then they didn't waste effort either.
I and my mates are playing WFRP, chaos. I finally rolled Chaos Armor as a reward. Anybody got a nice portrait of a chaos warrior (black armor), close up, high res? All those I find are mainly groups, too small, or black and white
>>48254948
writers, artists, sculptors, materials, playtesters, moulds for new miniatures
etc.
i think that constitutes resources
>>48254956
Forgot to add pic. The best one I got so far, but I would like higher res, so I could crop a portrait or something.
>>48254956
Look for some of the design artwork for 'Marks of Chaos', you'll find something that suits you.
>>48254963
>think that constitutes resources
True. But if people spent money and purchased, then it wasn't a waste. Assuming they made a profit on the endeavor.
>>48254989
To clarify, look at it this way:
You are GW. You have AoS waiting in the wings which you are pretty sure will fracture the fanbase, but your goal is profits.
So, you whip up one last storm to get a little bit of money out of the fans before you drop the AoS bomb, knowing that a lot of the minis produced will most likely go on to be used in AoS so players feel justified in their purchases.
>>48251373
I would not be surprised if all the women were having lesbian sex while the men were flexing their muscles and dying on the battlefield.
>>48254989
but then consciously planning to stab said customers in the back doesnt sound good for business
i dont think GW would be naïve enough to think everyone would go along with it, not with the kind of fanbase warhams has/had
I guess they must have thought they could draw in enough 40k babs to cover for the loss
Anyhow I still do not think GW had End Times and AoS in mind at the time of making 8th ed
or optionally they would have had end times in mind as another storm of chaos-y campaign and then go back to an altered status quo on the map depending on the outcome
I wonder who it was that decided to nuke the setting
>>48255059
welp
i wont bother erasing my post even though this popped up
End times and aos are/were money grabs but I dont see how GW would have thought that it'll fly with the fans
Wargaming is a niche enough interest in itself so fracturing your consumer base like that doesnt seem wise
if they planned to do it from the start of 8th ed you'd think they would have done things differently
Then again you never said it was wise, im just ranting at this point i guess
>>48255091
The 8th BRB clearly did not have endtimes in mind, nor did the first half of the rulebooks released. It wasn't until the elf and vampire books that they started tying directly into it.
Endtimes themselves were a direct tie to AoS in terms of models, as evident in the nurgle, skaven, khorne and undead models that they released That all Carrie over
Why does the world conveniently stop having any civilization east of the World's Edge Mountains until distant Cathay? What's so dangerous over there?
How long does the average Border Prince kingdom/city state last? Why hasn't someone managed to knock it into a proper civilized area yet, especially with dwarves around to trade with and get assistance from?
>>48255148
>Why does the world conveniently stop having any civilization east of the World's Edge Mountains until distant Cathay?
It doesn't.
The Ogre Kingdoms are out there.
And they actually do have a social structure, villages, etc...
>>48255148
There's the chaos dwarfs, the ogre kingdoms, then a bunch of wasteland where the great maw landed, and then Cathay. The reason no proper human civilization exists out there is because of the aforementioned races, tons of monsters, and ungodly numbers of greenskins infesting that region.
The border princes are constantly raided by orcs, ogres, tomb kings, skaven and vampires. It's pretty hard to set up a full blown civilization out there, especially with all the orcs. There are ruins there suggesting that civilizations managed to hold out for at least s few centuries, the strigoi vampires had a kingdom there, and way back in the day it was nehekaran territory.
>>48255148
Sky Giants were apparently a thing before they were eaten. The civilized races have a hard time holding fast against the cyclical invasions of orcs, chaos and others, establishing colonies or expanding beyond the moutains might spread their defences too thinly.
>>48245154
It was after the storm, when they got reintroduced as a faction.
>>48255091
>but then consciously planning to stab said customers in the back doesnt sound good for business
Maybe, but think of it this way - most of the people who would be most negatively impacted have already sunk literal decades and thousands of dollars into the hobby. As weird as it sounds, it's not crazy to think that GW expected the hardcore fans to follow on out of fear of feeling like they 'wasted' their money and time.
>Wargaming is a niche enough interest in itself so fracturing your consumer base like that doesnt seem wise
What confuses me is why they felt the need to discontinue Warhammer. Age of Sigmar plays WAY differently to Warhammer Fantasy. It'd be like if Blizzard stop making RTS's after they released WoW.
>>48255372
>What confuses me is why they felt the need to discontinue Warhammer. Age of Sigmar plays WAY differently to Warhammer Fantasy. It'd be like if Blizzard stop making RTS's after they released WoW.
Because even with killing all GW-based competition for AoS (WHFB) it is still selling like shit.
Many people did go to AoS for fear of having "wasted" thousands of dollars.
But even with all of those people AoS is still selling worse than WHFB ever did.
If they allowed both to exist AoS would've been no better than a small specialty skirmish game.
And they wanted a complete overhaul.
>>48254729
>8th edition wasn't a complete edition
>only twelve army books and one mini campaign
>shut down in record time.
>8th is the smallest part of warhammer history
sit down faggot and let me tell you why everything you just said was wrong.
from the top;
Island of Blood, the introductory boxed set, was released July 10th 2010. AoS was released in 2015, which means 8th ed had a total run time of 5 years before being axed.
Of the 15 factions present (Chaos dwarfs released as an official update in the Forgeworld Tamurkhan book, with a mandate that it should and would be included as the 15th force for WHFB, in all intents and purposes including tournament play) 12 were printed in hardbacks, with Bretonnians, Skaven and Beastmen being missed from that list. Each in turn had justifications, however loosely accepted;
>Brets were considered a rock solid force, regardless of limitations, and had a record of winning tournaments and match play even with a dated army book.
>Skaven were released prior to the start of 8th edition, and included in the Island of Blood starter box, so it wasn't seen as neccesary to re-print them again.
>Beastmen are there to die alot.
During it's 5 year run, 8th edition saw 4 supplements released;
>Storm of Magic (2011)
>Blood in the Badlands (2011)
>Triumph and Treachery (2013)
>Sigmar's Blood (2013)
alongside the afformentioned "Tamurkhan and the Throne of Chaos" Forgeworld book, the "Monstrous Arcanum" book, and cancelled plans for a Fifth Battle for Blackfire Pass book, cancelled due to the popularity of the Horus Heresy line.
cont.
>>48255413
>But even with all of those people AoS is still selling worse than WHFB ever did.
Citation needed.
>>48255526
cont.
I know this, because I was there. I spoke with Alan Bligh, lead author on Tamurkhan, and during the Q+A session in Nottingham in 2012 I raised questions about the potential return of other fan-favourite factions.
>Tamurkhan had seen the return of the Chaos Dwarfs from 3rd ed, and hinted at the armies of Cathay which had never before seen description or print. In his own words, the book "Expanded and looked at areas of the old world never before seen" and on that basis I asked if we'd ever see a return of Albion (From the Dark Land: Shadows over Albion summer campaign) or the Regiments of Renown, a staple of rare choices pre-8th edition.
After 5 years, and the crazy money Horus Heresy was bringing in, GW decided to end 8th ed and move on. And rather than collapse it all in an instant (re, the last page of the end times, but at the beginning. And no end times) they decided to go out with a bang. All characters, even obscure novella characters, were included in the catastrophie of the old world, with nearly every stone un-turned, and every old grudge and rivalry finally coming to the fore.
The End Times spanned 5 books, all of which came with a book of fluff that Progressed the plot (god forbid that ever happen right?) and new units/heroes/suggested armies as well as the return of Nagash. Regardless of how you feel about the models, or the company, or the meta, there can be no doubt that effort was made to see this edition through to the end.
Storm of Chaos, as good as it was at the time, is shadowed by 8th edition. There are no editions like it in warhammer's long and lustrous history, and considering everything that was released, every game that was played, and the amount of content that has come from that in the form of video games, novels and lore. No, 8th edition wasn't a "incomplete" edition. It wasn't "the smallest part" and it wasn't "shut down in record time."
Historical Revisionism and Ignorance are shit card's anon
>>48255574
The first year of AoS being out GWs profits increased by 1% alone.
That 1% included GWs "Last chance" flash sales for their WHFB stock that in many cases sold out in hours.
Massive sales clearing out all of their old stock with the WHFB last chance stuff flying off of the shelves and the net didn't change.
They don't give records for what profits are coming from what line.
But the only assumption is that either AoS had a very hard time taking off or 40k took a massive hit in the market during 2015.
ayy ho hol' up
What do we know about ind?
>>48255526
>>48255576
inb4
>Chaos dwarves weren't a legal army, only a supplement
Read Tamurkhan, read forgeworld's pdf's, and then realise that in 2014 they were made tournament legal And generally accepted at both official and unofficial tournaments (re. ETC)
>Digital Splatbooks and hardback Splatbooks aren't Campaign supplements there for don't count.
Each release, however minor, contributed to the edition as a whole. Blood in the Badlands, as an example, brought updated rules for Seige play, Underground fighting, and a suggested format for running multiplayer campaigns. Sigmar's Blood was a Campaign Supplement, and featured 5 narrative scenarios for two players to play.
Not to mention the White Dwarf rules that were released over that five year period, for example Civil War rules for adding special scenarios and rules for when two players with the same faction would fight one another.
>But they never released all books in hardback.
The Bret forums has leaked images of the commissioned artwork and lore that GW supplied whenever they updated any faction. They Were Going To but didn't. Why we may never know now, but they had the system in place make no doubt.
Skaven didn't need an update, and as any Skaven player can tell you, having all those magic items instead of the new limited format was preferable.
Beastmen are there to die alot. Just read the fucking fluff. They are the whipping boys.
Hardbacks were also being moved over to a digital format. Albeit AoS has seen a return of the Splatbooks (falling sales all the more likely cause) but that doesn't negate the fact that Every army book that had a hard back had a digital equivalent, alongside all the other supplements they did digital only.
>But there's only one warhammer game, warhammer total war.
Niggas never heard of Warhammer Battle March.
>But the series is dead anyway, everyone only cares about 9th and AoS.
Then don't talk smack about an edition you don't know.
>>48255637
If you are refering to the continent in the warhammer world, and it's associated faction, Almost Nothing.
like Cathay, Nippon, and to a certain degree Araby, Ind remains shrouded in mystery.
>>48255648
We know a little of nippon.
>>48255621
It's called a panic button.
>clearing fantasy ranges to make way for AoS stock.
Then explain the army bundles
>releasing boardgame after boardgame and reintroducing specialist games.
To prop up sales.
>White dwarf to have a new monthly release, alongside weekly and visions
even though it's a glorified catalogue.
>>48255648
so what do we know?
>inb4 warhammer armies blogspot
its dogshit,
>>48255637
That people there breed freely with monkey-headed beastmen
>>48255667
mah nigguh
>>48255668
Yeah, that was my point.
They tried very hard and sold out their last chance warhammer sections and still there was almost no change.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing that AoS undersold what they wanted out of it?
It's 5am and I may be misinterpreting your response.
>>48255640
I just want to say it first - you are my fucking hero. Massive props for some truly honest awareness of Warhammer and Games Workshop lore and practices.
>The End Times spanned 5 books, all of which came with a book of fluff that Progressed the plot (god forbid that ever happen right?)
Storm of Chaos was more fun for me because as gamers we got to participate and influence the outcome.
That being said, End of Times spawned the fan-work of 'Endhammer' which is my preferred headcanon to run with in WFRP and local WFB games.
>>48255648
Fuck that shit, I need me some Hinterlands of Khuresh.
>>48255669
I'm glad im not the only one who thinks this, those books are literally copy paste from real world history and myths with almost no attempt to integrate them into the warhammer world. That, and stolen art galore.
>>48255637
We know that there are Tiger headed beastmen who are actually a bit civilized and capable of making their own weapons and armor. We also know they get invaded by High elves every 10 years for some moon ritual and have all sorts of weird creatures like 6 armed monkey men and winged lions. pic related
>>48255672
t. Marienburger
>>48255697
And it's 10:40 am here Amerikanski.
AoS is flopping Hard. They made a line of models to appeal to the Space Marine crowd, and mulched the game down to "humans in armour vs daemons, but no guns".
And lo and behold! The crowds did flee and turn their separate ways. Ancient history for some, all to real and present for others.
>Kings of War as a community exploded, from around 200 members of their facebook group up to 600 in a month
>9th ed fan edition
>8th ed for lyf forum made
>some remained for AoS but less stayed
>>48255640
>Niggas never heard of Warhammer Battle March.
The entire game was overshadowed by it's intro.
>>48255648
This map is fucking beautiful and I'd have loved it if they had made an even higher res version of it.
And I'd love to know a bit more about the outskirts of the Southern Wastes.
>>48255721
>ind is the everqueen's tampon
wat.
>>48255721
>I'm glad im not the only one who thinks this, those books are literally copy paste from real world history and myths with almost no attempt to integrate them into the warhammer world. That, and stolen art galore.
yeah, I am sure the average /tg/ thread can make a better fluff base for ind.
>>48255707
Don't think I've ever been called a hero before. I've been told I'm Right before, but hero is new. I usually just lurk like a mother fucker, but I'll die before I see someone try and tell me what 8th was and wasn't.
>>48255733
>The entire game was overshadowed by it's intro.
I got that game - and the fucking sequel/expansion just for the cinematics.
They were fucking beautiful.
>>48255733
It was fucking trash, even with the bug fixes and Ork/Skaven expansion.
I played that shit on PC and on xbox 360. looking at that and then Total Warhammer, I was just expecting it to be a bloody mess.
oh and I forgot Warhammer Online, which had Maaaany iterations before being released and then canned.
>>48255526
Thinking that 5 years is a long time for a rulebook to last
>thinking those supplements are anything but a patchwork of untested rules and big names thar were forgotten a week after release
Kek
>>48255740
Got your back, comrade.
>>48255746
>I am sure the average /tg/ thread can make a better fluff base for ind.
Lets do it. if someone makes a thread for it i will gladly participate.
Off the top of my head i had a few ideas
>the beastmen aren't shitsmearing beastmen proper, like gore and minotaurs, but more like Griffons and Pegasi that were just warped by chaos and stabilized into the current races
>many of the gods the Indans worship are unaffiliated daemon princes, diminished gods from other pantheons, vampires, nature spirits, ascended heroes and creatures from the time of the old ones.
>saturated in magic like bretonnia, which is how the gods manifest. perhaps a anchor point of the geomantic web that got opened up. would explain why the place isn't crawling with chaos daemons.
>they are constantly raided by Ogres, but also hire a lot of Ogre mercenaries
>they aren't a united kingdom, and many wars are fought between the followers of different gods
>Humans think they're in control, but really the "gods" only keep them around as pawns. they're like bretonnia if there were hundreds of different Lileaths manipulating them
>>48255798
Name one edition that lasted longer than 5 years, or had more content released for it.
