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Not spooky >>5151839
1st for spooked
Goddamnit, now I have to deal with this stupid theme.
I AM SPOOPED D:
>tfw u have a thigh gap while all your cis girl friends don't
>tfw they can all poledance and u can't
/mtfg/ how do I get chubby legs? I wanna be a pole dancer
to the kind anon who pointed me to the oia stuff on fyi in the last thread
the attitudes of the DHBs and the Ministry kinda come off as
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kinda wish i could be part of the local community in nz but some people have (probably unfairly) put me off.
>>5153896
squat and oats
>>5153899
Oats make me sick
>>5153896
stronk thighs are v. important
squats
you will crush watermelons eventually
>>5153906
squats and lots of food doesn't sound as good
Anyone have hair removal advice? Like what to do when body hair isbsuper dark and can see hair follicles even after shaving?
We #powerfulthighs now?
>>5153915
I had a chem teacher with fake eyebrows, because he burned them off with methylated spirits as a kid. Maybe that'd work.
>>5153915
seconded plz halp
>>5153915
You get laser or epilate/wax/pluck.
>>5153927
Any experience with what laser or electrolysis? Effectiveness, pain levels etc?
>>5153898
No problem.
The main things putting me off from being part of the community is agender and their moronic president.
i kinda think the no pride in prisons people are ok but i admit i have never interacted with them as i am in the south island.
>>5153921
Sounds reasonable
>>5153933
I've only had laser, pretty much everywhere. I don't find the pain that bad but other people might disagree.
Effectiveness varies. What I got done at a clinic has stayed mostly gone. After about six years I bought a tria to try out doing touchups at home. It's not bad for getting the small amounts that have grown back. It's a little bad for clearing large patches of stuff that I never got treated. Like using it on my underarms is tedious and there's still hair after 7 treatments, but there's definitely less and no significant shadow after I shave.
>>5153917
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
squats, squats, squats!
>tfw being on 4chan and leddit gives you a really bad feeling towards males
>>5153933
I had hair that sounds like yours, and I got it lasered. It hurt but it wasn't *that* bad, and they have a numbing cream you put on for if it does hurt too much. As for effectiveness i have like 3 hairs left that grow in, I just shave them and they're invisible. Took a looong time though, I've got my hopefully last session at the end of november, and I started in february.
>>5153954
>>5153899
So... do you eat the oats after the squats or before them????
>>5153958
Well I rarely go there at all, and I was going to just say 4chan but then I remembered that whenever I've visited that site there's been some males being really stupid and misogynistic. So maybe it's not just 4chan but men in general.
>>5153963
eat while squatting, duh..
>tfw 4chan fucks up your appchanx theme
FUCKING nishimura
>>5153963
During.
>>5153963
oats are just a meme food, they're healthy and reasonably dense in calories. meal timing does not matter
>>5153845
well I use vegetable glycerin which is sweet so it's just kinda like weed-y honey or something tho at my last appointment for my like cannabis prescription thing the nurse said something about newer research showing alcohol freeing up some compounds better so I was thinking of trying to make some kind of mix next time
>>5153850
oh do your parents live where there are mouse(mice?)-deer?
the sad reality is that people in general don't really give a shit about other organisms and their effect on the ecosystem, at least not enough to do anything, so responsible utilization of animals and plants to show their value to humans within society can be one of the best ways to spur preservation efforts
>>5153952
>thinks squats only will do anything
lmao
>>5153944
also both the greens and labour have had trans issues included as part of their rainbow policies. there were two labour groups that voted for srs to be fully funded which is what caused all the shit from national/labour mps earlier in the year.
greens want informed consent but are otherwise unspecific.
>>5153957
How many sessions total? I've had 6 already and still have some visible shadow left around my mouth
>>5153972
thanks! time to head to costco and buy some oats.
>>5153933
i have hair like yours, super dark, very pale skin, can see the follicles still after shaving (apart from my arms which are blonde/brown so not so bad) i'm only lasering my face and neck because hormones and epilator seem to be working pretty well for the rest. the first session hurt like hell. the second did too. the third was nothing. 3 more to go. laser is great. i get a real high out of it from the pain and stench of burning hair and the weeks after a session are so exciting. one day you wake up and your the shadow is so much less. its magic
>>5153971
>will never eat pasta with Adèle
>>5153984
pick up a tub of whey protein while you're there
>>5153986
We'll just have to eat our own spaghetti instead.
>>5153982
From my experience, I had like 8 sessions (coming from a full beard) and it got rid of a good amount via laser. I had like maybe less than 80-100 hairs in the end. Now I'm doing electrolysis to get rid of the rest.
>>5153944
Oh, it was one of the No Pride in Prisons people that I, ah, don't get along with. Even if I do think prisons are a fucking atrocity.
Basically I hadn't come out so everything opinion I had or point of disagreement was handwaved away because I was cis, even though nothing we were talking about had anything to do with that anyway. I will avoid an angry rant now, however much I want one.
Maybe I'll just move to Australia.
>>5153982
I honestly don't even remember. They were every 5 weeks or so at first and lately have been every 2 months so maybe 8 total?
I still had a little bit of "shadow" left around my mouth but started to realize that it's actually muscle mustache, not hair. So that could be whats causing that
>>5153990
look up blue is the warmest colour
>>5153994
I'm more into clams than spaghetti if you know what I mean.
>>5154005
Lily pls
>>5154005
I got you sempai
>>5153977
?????? you're reaching to assume a lot about what i'm thinking anon
are you okay?
Anyone know the best way to lose muscle in arms and shoulder?
Are you dressed up today ladies?
>>5153999
>Basically I hadn't come out so everything opinion I had or point of disagreement was handwaved away because I was cis
oh thats shit although tbf having seemingly cis people tell trans people about trans issues does get kind of annoying. still dumb anyway.
just dont let one person scare you out of the community if you want to be a part of it.
and i dont think australia is that much better really.
>>5154021
In my pajamas and dressing gown.
>>5154020
Don't work out, eat little protein.
>>5154021
I'm not even convinced I'll put clothes back on after showering.
>tfw your crush probably doesn't like you back
Is there even a point to putting myself out there?
>>5153990
pretty sure that's a mouse-deer, a tiny deer-like animal from africa and asia
for tiny deer there's also the pudú from south america which is actually deer
"normal" deer also have issues in many area with disease and over-foraging destroying ecosystems from overpopulation due to human removal of natural predators like wolves
>>5154023
It wasn't about trans issues, otherwise I would've got it. And there was other stuff, probably not for public consumption.
Where in the South Island are you? I'm actually in Christchurch at the moment.
>>5154021
i'm in pajamas and arm warmers.. even though it's not cold i like to keep my spaces cold like a freezer so snuggling in a blanket is 10x more comfy
>>5153973
that sounds good although isn't alcohol an estrogen inhibitor?
also please keep posting baby deer
>>5154034
It's worth knowing. If there's nothing there it can help you move on.
>>5154036
oh well in that case its just plain fucking stupid.
im in christchurch too.
>>5153896
Shame about your man thighs.
>>5153999
>>5154023
Aus isn't that great for trans stuff. Its easy to change your sex on federal documents, but that basically only covers your passport. Birth certificate is handled by the states, and in nsw and Queensland at least you need Srs to change your sex. And Srs isn't covered by anything because it's "cosmetic", even though you need it to legally change your sex...
>>5154038
well I'm already an alcoholic so whateves, the amounts would probably not be large enough to rlly matter tho since tincture is like the most concentrated form of cannabis without going into crazy shit with oils and crystals
if you're on hrt and getting your levels checked and stuff then little things like red meat and stuff don't rlly matter anyway, that's more stuff ppl worry about when they're pre hrt and trying to minimize T or trying to make herbal bs work
>wake up
>possibly still very slightly drunk
>not hung over
My highest boots only come up to mid calf ;_;
>>5154074
Must be nice
>me rn
went to bed yesterday perfectly fine.
wake up with fever.. uhoh and with the deepest voice ever. funnn
>>5154034
Trip on bexe
>>5154091
that's probably the anon crushing on kit
>>5154091
w o w
>>5154086
i just made sure to drink a shitload of water last night, otherwise i would be dead rn
>>5154047
Yeah.
Also I'm being extremely incomplete about what actually happened because it's a huge fucking mess that someone could probably identify me by if I gave much more detail or accuracy. Petty and Vindictive is not a misnomer in her case. I was just a little worried you might be her, or know her personally or something.
>>5154093
Trip on elanna
>>5154098
its fine, i get wanting to remain anon i just want to know it was really, but if you dont wanna share thats cool.
so do you live in chch or just visiting or what?
>>5154074
>don't drink
why do i do this to myself
i like spooky mtfg. can I have it like this forever?
>>5154024
>>5154026
>>5154037
You can be whatever you want today Anon! I've secretly always wanted to be red riding hood and today at the Library is the perfect excuse. I'll post my wolf and basket in a bit.
>>5154108
temporary work gig, basically. not gonna be here much longer, back to auckland and back on the dole soon. hooray.
>>5154112
CUTE
And here's the wolf
>>5154066
ahh ok gotcha.
>tfw you went vegetarian for that reason but now it doesn't matter
also gotta go to the store to get a stapler and scissors to work on my costume! I should probably get a sharpie too :x but I'll post a pic when I'm done!
>>5154109
Because drinking on hormones is fucking stupid
>>5154118
oh ok.
i have been on the dole all year, gonna study next year here at canterbury though
>>5154112
Halloween doesn't really happen here and if I'm not going out I just don't change out of my pajamas.
>>5154128
t-thank you for caring about my wellbeing anon but im not on hrt yet
>>5154038
oh found another "deer" pic(it's actually a dikdik), this one's a baby tho I don't think the others were, I also have two pics of actual baby deer
>>5154093
I'm just going to tell her I think. If she doesn't feel the same way I can always kill myself.
>>5154129
hermiting for transition, or just life crap adding up?
i'm a uni drop out, for a number of reasons, but it's working out okayish.
So do mtf girls actually have sexual feelings and sexual pleasure?
>>5154144
that suks
>>5154143
rude
Heya mtfg ^_^ how's it going? I hope your day is wonderful!
>>5154146
we do
suck, i mean
what should i carve in my pumpkin
>>5154141
both really. i dropped out a few years back and tried to kill myself last year. started hrt and stuff this year and have been slowly getting my mental health in order and letting hrt do its thing.
>>5154152
ufufufufu~
make sure you get the tilde
>>5154152
Aubergine
i am going in black face
>tfw kicked out by parents
>tfw finally part time and and have a boss who supports me transitioning at work
>tfw you have a friend with a medical licence who has said he will take an inch out of both of my shoulders :)))))))))))
>tfw you've found a new gp who is ftm so may well be sympathetic
Best thing that ever happened to meeee
>>5154157
what
>>5154158
what
today i'm going to get a passable girl voice
>>5154167
Carve a picture of an aubergine into your pumpkin.
>>5154126
lol, well if you feel like being omnivorous again the carnitas and the goat barbacoa from taco trio are pretty great for pure meaty overload, it's still good to get better quality meat and just have it more rarely tho
>>5154172
that's an eggplant stupid
>>5154154
gotcha. i'm still pre-everything and second-guessing and self-hating. no real suicide attempts as yet, and less serious planning for it than i used to have. even just accepting transition as an option is helping a bit, with the whole hope thing.
>>5154176
actually that's a Melanzani
>>5154152
A pair of uggs
>>5154182
Elanna isawsome
>>5154152
hammer and sickle swastika
>>5154052
I was born in qld and am just now finding out about this.
Fuck
>>5154120
>>5154130
>>5154135
Thank you! Idk if I'm in a good mood because I feel pretty or if I feel pretty because I'm in a good mood.
>>5154131
Booooo. I love Halloween and I haven't dressed up for it in years.
>>5154165
>>tfw you have a friend with a medical licence who has said he will take an inch out of both of my shoulders :)))))))))))
I uh, don't think that's possible
>>5154140
Please don't do this
>>5154187
google it then :p
>>5154149
it's alright, not going out because no friends and no costume and don't pass, so more drinking is scheduled in a few hours desu
and you?
>>5154152
a Chanel logo
>>5154179
Ahh sorry to hear that girl. Been in a similar boat and all that. Living without hope is the worst. c: but I'm glad ur on the upswing! keep hanging in there and don't give up ^_^
>>5154179
oh yeah that part really sucked for me, especially all the waiting around trying to get on hrt.
Dr Sulochana Chand on k road is meant to be easy to get hrt from, if that helps.
I wish I was dead
>>5154170
Lucky
I think mine got lost in the mail...
I want to go out but don't know how
im sick of missing out on life every day
it reminds me of halloween oreos, which are the tastiest oreos
Can someone convince me to crawl out of bed?
I wasn't gonna post this but fuck it. Peep that fivehead
>>5154192
>>5154119
Uhm wow I love your stockings too
>>5154028
I always though lily was the cutest name.
>>5154209
I had a conversation with my mother today where I said the same thing. She pulled me out. Do you have someone to pull you out?
>select all images with donuts
>bagels
Good work captcha
>>5154217
You look cute
>>5154199
Well I'm doin better now that my weeby waifu is here ;3 but uhhh for serious I'm just gunna stay home and play video games all day and drink pic related
>>5154209
Well I don't ur awesome and the nicest lady here by a long shot. And if you go I'll never be able to enjoy Ronnie comics again ;____;
>>5154212
Just do it sis ~ I wish I was there to take you by the hand and show you how
>>5154218
So it's a highly invasive cosmetic procedure?
Sounds unethical
>>5154209
Please don't die
>>5154234
>So it's a highly invasive cosmetic procedure?
so is ffs lols
if anon can get her shoulders ground down more power to her, i wanna do that too
>>5154231
;_; why is life unfair
>>5154226
do what? where do I go and what do I do? I have no friends
>>5154231
Speaking of have you spoken to yours elanna?
>>5154239
desu I wouldn't do either of those, I hate doctors and surgery so much I won't even try to get my legs fixed
>>5154256
T.bh not desu >.>
>tfw reading too much sci fi and forgetting how crap the current state of medical technology really is
>>5154241
Go out on the town and just enjoy the day/evening really. There's lotsa fun stuff to do alone that involves not being at home. : 3. Haha ur so adorable sometimes
>>5154259
Well it doesn't cost me anything to be nice to someone, even if that someone is anon (sometimes) I wish you all the best tho. You deserve to be happy.
Hey should I go here?
http://www.visitwesthollywood.com/halloween-carnaval
I wonder if I would have fun or just feel out of place
>>5154268
Well are you going to say something to her?
>>5154268
We can be gross normies together and go and do drugs and rave tonight at least ;_;
>>5154263
Desu desu desu desu desu desu
>>5154263
>>5154256
>desu filters to desu
pretty good desu
>>5154226
it's gonna be a good day desu
>>5154209
sheen pls no desu
>>5154287
desu sempai you're just a kek baka
anyone looking for an internet bf hmu
>>5154225
>>5154268
oh god this halloween theme sucks so hard how do I turn it off
>>5154293
i'm looking for an irl bf who will suck my dick sometimes
>>5154290
>sempai wordfiltered into incorrect spelling
HIROYUKI
>>5154259
i kind of want to do political science, but i will probably do computer science. one is just an interest the other has way better job potential
and if you want advice on transition obligatory see a therapist. although if you are going back on the dole soon that probably isnt affordable. you could try and find a service with a scaling price system and get the disability allowance from winz to help pay for it. $60 a week means you should be able to see even an expensive therapist a couple of times a month.
wanna hear somethin spooky?
you will always have a male skeleton inside of you
>>5154305
You are no fun. Why do you have to break my shipping dreams
>>5154281
anyone? I would go as a witch
>>5154308
Hiro is my favourite senpai desu
>>5154300
Your describing literally every chaser tbqh.
>>5154298
open up chrome devtools (ctrl+shift+i)
go to the sources tab
expand s.4cdn.org
expand css
open yotsububluenew css
select all + copy
paste into *spooky.634.css
close dev tools
>>5154218
Lol this retard
>>5154312
FALSE
I'm going to volunteer for unethical experiments to put a human consciousness into a robot
>>5154312
Dont tell me how to live my life
>>5154312
delete this
>>5154314
Do it
>>5154281
Looks really neat desu. Yeah I say go for it. Smiles and laughing is healthy for ya too. So have a blast!
>>5154288
YUSH! I'm not gunna start drinking till the sun goes down tho. Its too early to start for me. I was planning to cutepost and be nice to everyone till I start playing vidya.
(PS we're still canon otp bb)
>>5154305
Just enough desu ;_; we'll have some drunk hookups and ttly reget it later and then come here to cry about tfw no bf ;n;
>>5154312
I'm D y I n g here. Ur TELLIN me there's a MR skeletal livng inside me RIGJT now?
>>5154317
but i don't want a chaser bf because he'd eventually transition on me
>>5154323
i love the future
>>5154328
You know what, fuck it I will. The world wont come to me so I guess I have to go out there. I guess the cool part is I can wear a dress and no one can say shit because it will be Halloween in west Hollywood, you can't get gayer than that, I just wish I had someone to go with
>>5154329
Why don't you tell her you like her?
>>5154341
Do it Kayla, you won't stand out at all and will look like a normal girl just like me.
>>5154341
go kayla go
Happy Halloween /mtfg/! I hope you all have a spooky day!
>>5154353
Ty senpai desu I feel better now
>>5154336
>tfw no bf
I'm already there how do I party ;~;
>>5154346
B-because I'm not a boy and she's straight ;~;
>>5154341
theres my little ketchup swiller
Guys what do you think about SPOOKY SCARY SKELETON? desu sempai?
[spoiler]I'm loving the word filter so much[/spoiler]
>>5154363
well.
i feel fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zEFzqBiduw
>>5154370
Uhh we can dance lewd with each other till a boy notices ;~;
Jontron finished his fireworks cover and no one told me.
>>5154372
hiroyuki really is an anime
>>5154372
baka baka sempai you're not even doing it right desu
Also, SPOOKY SCARY SKELETON's are terrifying
>>5154382
>senpai
Triggered
>>5154381
The most anime
>>5154370
Just frame it as practice for boys...
>>5154386
I just wanted to use the wordfilter it's not my fault it's wrong baka
>>5154393
I haven't been here in a while, what's this word filter?
>>5154341
ganbatte desu
>>5154389
>you will never hug hiroyuki
feels bad desu sempai
>>5154400
t.bh desu
f.am sempai
c.uck kek
s.mh baka
Are the ones I know of
>>5154413
desu sempai kek baka
>>5154375
B-but I might end up enjoying that more ;~; lewd dancing with girls would likely make me forget about the guys
>>5154391
I-i could do t-that I suppose ;~;
I-i do need practice for boys
>>5154413
baka desu sempai
>>5154413
wait, this is terrible, what will the no anime faction do now?
>>5154413
wth how am i meant to tbqh now when im just being normal honest and not quite honest
>>5154413
desu senpai kek baka
>>5154421
tbmh
to be moderately honest
>>5154425
this is a disaster desu
>>5154413
>>5154419
anime wins again
>>5154421
tbhon
>>5154428
AKARI~N
>>5154418
Erin told her crush and it worked out great tea bee aich
sorry to anoy you, but help me decide please desu.
I constantly change my mind aout transition, a week ago i was sure. I finally ordered spiro and payed for it. But now im having doubts again.
Im not terribly dissatisfied with my body, i maybe could live with it. i am attracted to some women too, and most of all i want to do some things in life that transitioning hinders me from ding (Being buddhist, living in communes, backpacking).
What if im in some delusion? ive had psychosis before, and it did feel differently and i knew delusion from reality, hallucination from reality etc. But what if this time i lost contact with the world and if i start taking antipsychotics again id stop wanting to be a woman (the doc told me not to take them, not my decision to quit)
Or what if im an AGP degenerate, and ill be happy for a few years and then kill myself from gender dysphoria that ill experience from not being male?
help, idk if i should post here or trans help. sorry if wrong thread
>>5154212
>>5154241
>>5154281
>>5154314
>>5154341
Anige I swear fuck off and leave me alone. Just so everyone knows that is not my new trip this and no I'm not going to any halloween party. The last time I went out on halloween dressed up I got beat up, I hate this stupid holiday and can't wait for it to be over.
>>5154440
>The last time I went out on halloween dressed up I got beat up, I hate this stupid holiday and can't wait for it to be over.
I remember you saying this when I said it was my fav holiday.
I can believe this is you.
I'm glad to know I won't see you around WeHo tonight, that would be AWKWARD
>>5154440
Not funny, fuck off.
>>5154452
just timestamp
>>5154436
W-wasnt Erin's crush IRL and a straight boy tho?
>>5154455
tfw both fake and real kayla is offline
>>5154459
just like the parent trap
lolol
i carved a scared pumpkin
>>5154456
I'm just trying to help you out elanna
>>5154461
You messed up the mouth and had to carve it out?
>>5154464
Wat up owlanon?
>>5154468
nah i just made it real big, it'll look better with a tea candle
it's going on the fire escape anyways
>>5154455
>>5154438
>Being buddhist, living in communes, backpacking
Being trans hasn't stopped me from being Buddhist, I can't imagine how it would affect backpacking, I know girl hikers and what's a commune?
I've had very powerful psychotic episodes in the past with terrifying hallucinations that I couldn't immediately separate from reality and I've never doubted that I'm female
I don't think you're just some fetishist, I think the fact that you're fretting about people thinking you aren't legitimate shows that you are
I really want you to be happy and I don't think you would be if you denied yourself
>>5154461
it looks like a don hertzfeldt face
>>5154471
That sounds fun.
>>5154473
there, other one is a troll
>>5154482
we should've had a betting pool
both kayla t b q h
>>5154456
Cutest crush on mtfg
Applying for a job online using a phone is an abstract kind of hell
Someone pls kill me
>>5154491
library computers?
>>5154491
I just use indeed and apply with the resume option
My entire existence is a fragile lie
>>5154473
does someone need a belly rubb
>>5154491
You stole my picture senpai. I'm not mad though, here have another.
Who slutty costume here?
>>5154473
I'm*
>>5154438
You sound like a 16 year old to be honest
>>5154504
(I read that yaoi and love it. Was soooo cute . . . .and lewd .////.)
>>5154506
is naked slutty costume? because i threw out nearly all my clothes after i had a kayla-level meltdown.
>>5154503
maybe
what would be better is a cock rubbing me from inside though
>>5154512
that sure helped a lot, thanks...
>>5154506
>not dressing as a degenerate hamster girl for Halloween
>>5154521
>degenerate hamster girl
how degenerate we talkin' here?
>>5154436
it didn't work out great! it just worked out well, like he's not my bf or anything and we're still just friends
>>5154517
I dont want to do that :(
>>5154525
>I don't think anyone here can carry a slutty costume.
you don't know me that well
>>5154524
I couldn't find cheap capri leggings in the right color so I got red short shorts ;~;
>>5154524
Mr. Slave kind of degenerate.
