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>he thought nvidia cards were future proof
>>55543522
>1080 a shit
>shows a graph that doesnt include a 1080
You and every other fucking /v/tard need to get the fuck out of /g/.
I dont mind the occasional graphics card thread but this is ridiculous.
>>55543598
1070 and 1080 are both of the same architecture, so I wouldn't expect there to be much of a difference
>>55543621
>being this retarted
1080 reaches 200fps on Doom with vulkan
>>55543621
>>55543621
1070 is cucked chip without DDR5X.
>>55543621
Well you see a 1070 is much weaker than a 1080.
>>55543665
(Citation Needed)
>>55543598
nigga you cant deduce? the 1080 is about 10-15% faster than a 1070, meaning the fury x is faster than that.
now gtfo you imbecile
>>55543697
watch the video from id tech presenting it lol
>>55543716
slit your throat loser
![vulkan-doom-1440p[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Y8LWszQ.png "vulkan-doom-1440p[1].png")
>>55543637
>>55543680
>>55543685
>>55543691
ok so, the 1070:
has less cores, doesn't have gddr5x and uses the same architecture
where's the huge performance difference between it and the 1080? or are you shills performing maximum damage control?
![vulkan-doom-1440p-percent[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/3czG4Sr.png "vulkan-doom-1440p-percent[1].png")
>>55543833>>55543637
>>55543680
>>55543685
>>55543691
I mean if it's the "non-cucked" gpu, then why are the fps gains when switching to vulkan just as tiny as they are with a 1070?
>>55543522
>>he thought nvidia cards were future proof
Seriously, do we really fucking care?
>>55543833
>>55543872
Still doesn't beat the 1080 though I have to admit AMD wins this round. Now we just see how many Vulkan titles there will be.
>>55543799
after you, you fucking cockroach
>poor /v/ kiddies trying to justify the only card they can afford
Nothing to see here.
>>55543522
1070 actually gains performance in Vulkan, while 970 gets a performance hit. So they fixed their shit. No huge gains like AMD, but no fucked DX11 driver as well. It all evens out.
What pisses me off is that most PC devs will just use DX12 because it's the longest running standard which will require people to upgrade to Windows 10. Vulkan works on Windows 7 and BTFO's DX12.
>>55543522
>nvidia
lol
>>55543833
>>55543872
Proptip: gamersnexus (along with guru3d) fucked up their vulkan benchmarking because they used the wrong type of AA. Async compute is only enabled if you used either no AA or TSSAA.
That and its actively disabled for Nvidia cards full stop.
Ze germans actually read the fucking press release and used the correct settings - thats why you see such enormous gains.
>>55544691
> which will require people to upgrade to Windows 10.
Good.
If you don't agree with basic telemetry (which is already present in W7) then you should already move to Linux.
150% increase on Fury X, wtf.
amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyuoQIuEZj0
>>55545015
A mild overclock on the 480 and it would be equal to the 1070. Hell I wonder if - at least in doom under vulkan - if one of the supposed beast mode 480's could rival a 1080.
>>55545074
>at least in doom under vulkan
So glad that in very specific conditions for one game something might happen but probably won't.
>>55545097
Well i'm being cautious given the 480 is pretty new, Still we already have benchmarks in other games (primarily DX12 I must admit) of AMD murdering Nvidia.
>>55545097
you can bet that bethesda will use this engine for most of their games going forward.
>>55543833
You can't be serious
>>55545292
hopefully, even on consoles it's a lot better than their other shit. Doom on PS4 looks way better than fallout and runs at more than 2x the framerate.
>>55545326
Fallout isn't a arena shooter seperated by corridors. That said fallout 4 can't even fathom at the sort of performance doom gets.
>>55545326
bethesda studios will probably keep using that gamebryo abortion. I was thinking more about all the other IPs that zenimax owns.
so what other games are gonna use vulkan this year
AMD architecture is forward thinking, and as such their hardware performs better with forward thinking games who implement Vulkan/DX12 features. Nvidia is just trying to control the market as they always have by engineering for what is commonplace now. They are holding back software implementation for everyone by refusing to implement it until they have to.
You have Nvidia to thank for this, sure their 1080 performs extremely well in dx11 based games compared to the competition. This doesn't change the fact that they aren't encouraging Vulkan/dx12 in the marketplace for their profit not performance.
Imagine if 1080 had hardware implementation of async and was optimized like AMD for vulkan/dx12. Who knows how much more it would perform, regardless it would hasten the already stagnant implementation of dx12/vulkan which benefits ALL consumers.
Nvidia are the bad guys here, I own a 1080. But am certainly not a shill. I see the situation for how it is.
>>55545360
sure but Fallout on consoles is mostly empty space with no shadows or vegetation due to shitty draw distances. It's less impressive than The Witcher 3 or GTA V on consoles and runs worse than both.
Is Vulkan easy to develop on? I mean most devs dont care about the performance and will just use whatever is easiest.
>>55545602
AMD tries their best to set it as a standard. It's free and easily available.
Microsoft wants it for its gaymes on xbone.
>>55545536
>wall of amd propaganda you'd expect from /r/amd
>btw I own a 1080
kek'ed
>>55545536
I would like to see AMD succeed because Nvidia needs a kick in the ass but they always fall short. Targeting the low-end is a smart strategy for them but it means you're forced to go with Nvidia if you want more power.
>>55545701
Nvidia wins in the low end too because amd cards runs like shit on low end processors.
>>55545602
unreal engine 4 and source 2 both support vulkan. i think it will be adopted rather easily.
>>55545536
Fucking this guy gets it!
>>55545694
Save my post in a txt doc and name it "open in 2021" maybe then it will make sense to you.
>>55545701
They are going to have a hard time regardless. AMD is at a disadvantage due to their hardware. It's not designed for the current market while Nvidia's is. Just look at Nvidia stock price, it's clear whos winning.
>>55545694
> I dont care that Nvidia is refusing to push the industry
> Im completely fine with stagnation
Fuck off
>>55545817
Why should I give a shit about Vulcan? It doesn't bring shit to 87% of the market and doesn't increase visual fidelity either.
It's like a random guy on the street telling me his hardships then asking me for money. Nigga I don't give a fuck I got my own shit to worry about especially when there's nothing in it for me.
>>55545933
>doesn't increase visual fidelity either.
that's because id didn't bother to add higher graphics settings, there's nothing stopping them from making the game look even better under Vulkan and maintaining the same performance achievable under OpenGL / DirectX 11
>>55545933
>doesn't increase visual fidelity
get 60 fps with card X on medium using OpenGL
get 60 fps with card X on Ultra using Vulkan
inb4
>But I can spend 300 bucks more, get a better graphicscard and get 60 fps with card Y on Ultra using OpenGL
>>55545933
>Why should I give a shit about the motor car? It doesn't bring shit to 87% of the transport market and doesn't increase travel speed either.
People like you are the reason why we can't have nice things.
>>55545949
And there's nothing stopping Nvidia from adding a shitton of physx/gameworks features that takes advantage of the polymorph engine while maintaining the exact performance. It won't shit on the competition either (unless the card is exceedingly shit) because you can just turn it off.
It goes both ways.
>>55546047
You do realise that DX12 borrowed lot of optimisation from Vulkan. And at some point in time DX12 will be commonplace. This will force Nvidia to implement hardware implementation like AMD to compete with them.
This is all going to happen eventually, why wouldn't you want it to happen sooner. It benefits you the consumer the most.
>>55543522
Only unbaptised /v/tards and mental plebians think Nvidia products stand a test of time.
Educated people know that as a Nvid user you should be buying every 18-24 months, for some it is justifiable, others see it as an evil of planned obselescence.
>>55544978
As long as "basic" telemetry is only system and program crash reports which I have the full authority to choose whether or not to send it is okay.
When the system refuses to let you choose upgrades and monitors everything you view (win10 photo viewer and edge) and click and type (cortana integration to the search function), that is an issue.
>>55546071
>You do realise that DX12 borrowed lot of optimisation from Vulkan
This isn't really accurate, DX12 and Vulkan are both based on the work AMD did with Sony and Microsoft for the PS4 and Xbox One. GNM predates both Vulkan and DirectX 12.
>>55545536
But anon, if Nvidia added hardware scheduling and other in-hardware computation to their cards they would have as much piwer draw and driver (trabslation) overhead as AMD! Think of the power draw, anon!
>>55546071
>why wouldn't you want it to happen sooner. It benefits you the consumer the most.
Bragging rights. He is also a selfish cunt who would pass by a homeless person whilst thinking about that juicy steak he is gonna eat later.
>>55543637
>retarted
>>55546304
as opposed to what? sucking the homeless smegma encrusted cock and giving over the deed to the house?
thanks raja, i'll try to follow that advice next time.
Where is the directX benchmark?
>>55543716
^this
Cant fix architectural problems in drivers.
>>55545271
Jesus, I know this is an "AMD" game, but man it makes me happy I bought a 390X for cheap recently. Only 4 fps from the 1070 and that shit would have cost me over double what I paid for the 390X.
>>55546452
people mostly run linux in this board. DX is irrelevant
>>55546839
But then why don't they compare anyway? People keep saying Vulcan will destroy directx, but I haven't seen any charts to show that.
>>55543933
doesn't beat it, but its also 1/3 the price and apparently scaling in doom for multi gpu is 95% on amd.
>>55543522
the gimping of maxwell has already begun
Isn't this just a case of an incompetent game developer?
How come the Nvidia driver is actually better at allocation workloads than a human?
Even OpenGL near zero driver overhead level approaches aren't as good as Vulkan so performance should be gained there.
>>55547502
Which by the why raises the question, does DOOM even uses any of the AZDO approaches?
>>55547549
Also Vulkan helps with Multi-threading And Command-List (OpenGL is bad at sharing its access from various threads) so performance should be gained there.
Seems like the DOOM developer fucked up somewhere.
>>55543522
Dafuq is this graph? I get around 120 fps on ultra/nightmare with highest AA setting on my 1070. Sure my card is clocked to 2125mhz but that shouldn't increase fps by 30+.
>>55547616
Forgot to add that I'm on 1440p.
>>55543522
Shut it down! Shut it down!
>>55543799
Typical reaction of an nvidiot being disproved with facts
>>55545271
I'd honestly not buy a GPU for one game I'd play out of the literal 4 that support everything that makes it such a beast of a card. More time needs to pass, and more games need to adopt DX12 and Vulkan before we can really see if it's worth having over the 1070 or not.
>>55545292
Don't tease me with a good time, anon. That would be like claiming every hence Capcom game would use an improved MT Framework.
>>55543522
i feel bad about my 1070 now, i felt that the RX 480 is a sidegrade from my 980 and amd not putting up a high end class till probably late this year or next year also messed up my decision
Damn AMD is based
the future is looking bright for Radeon cards.
>>55548164
Yeah you didn't need to upgrade at all.
People shouldn't just buy a new GPU out of habit every year.
You're worse than those people who lease the new model of the same car every year.
>>55548192
or the iphone and galaxy users who also replace every year
>>55548178
>the future is looking bright for Radeon cards.
And even the old ones!!!
>>55543522
this almost feels like the days of geforce fx and radeon 9000 series, nvidia making the same mistake all over again. Nvidia is not going to be able to fix this and their silence on this matter since maxwell days proves it and yet they keep babbling over how their pascal budget for r&d is billions enough to launch you to mars. Disgusting
>>55543522
$399 for a Fury X isn't looking too bad about now.
>>55543621
you're fucking retarded.
Please note, this is coming from an AMD fanboy
>>55548192
I upgrade every time I can double my GPU performance for under $300. I went from a 7870 to a GTX 970 last year. Maybe next year I'll upgrade again.
>>55548348
lucky, fury x are still 680 usd on my region and the 1070 is actually cheaper though still at 430 to 460 usd
>>55548522
Whats your region because its $399 on newegg(XFX version only)
>>55548587
3rd world country flipland. must be nice living in burgerland
>>55548587
I am so annoyed by the fact that canada has no 480s and all the last gen hasn't dropped in price at all.
>>55543522
>RX480 only 9 fps slower than cards significantly more expensive
What the fuck.
>Fury X demolishing everything
Welp. Where is the 1080?
>>55543522
Besides your laughably shit graph, the info is just wrong. I loaded up DOOM just this evening, loaded it into Vulkan mode, and was seeing 120FPS on my 980Ti SC at 1440, with all settings completely maxed... Could easily expect 130FPS or more on a 1080...
>>55548915
stop staring at a wall you retard
>>55548938
kek during gameplay, firing guns, exploding enemies you baboon.
>>55548915
its ok rajesh, you still get good framerates anyway. Just erase the though of a less expensive from the other camp is having almost as good at a fraction of the price and a former rival who usually loses is now shitting on you
>>55548972
Perhaps you fail to see the part where the 980Ti is still a beast of a card that is still easily taking 2nd place. Fury X almost touches it, but still loses every single time... Keep on being poor redfags.
>>55549014
>still on DX11/OpenGL mindset in the dawn of Vulkan and DX12
Enjoy your card while you still can. Hope your garbage bin is big enough to house the card later
>>55548954
keep telling yourself that
>>55543522
DELET THIS
OMG Nvidiots on suicide watch
>>55543522
Vulkan does not support Async Compute on nVidia yet, so unfair comparison
>>55548850
1080 should be 5-10fps higher than FuryX
I think it's not on the graph because it's not in the price range.
>>55549963
hush Bhavesh, nvidia doesn't have async compute, nvidia would have even lower performance if they attempt it
>>55549963
>yet
nVidia doesn't have ACE it has pre emptive shaders, thus making it slower than AMD counterpart.
>>55549963
>he thinks nvidia can ever really support it
kek
>>55550032
>Does DOOM support asynchronous compute when running on the Vulkan API?
>Asynchronous compute is a feature that provides additional performance gains on top of the baseline id Tech 6 Vulkan feature set.
>Currently asynchronous compute is only supported on AMD GPUs and requires DOOM Vulkan supported drivers to run. We are working with NVIDIA to enable asynchronous compute in Vulkan on NVIDIA GPUs. We hope to have an update soon.
https://community.bethesda.net/thread/54585
Why do amd reference cards look so much more unappealing than nvidia's?
>>55550166
This is only nVidia marketing image I could find about async and it's not even async.
enabling async is not possible if it's not there.
I currently have a Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 @ 1075/1500. I have a MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X on order. Should I cancel it and just wait for AMD to come up with something beefier?
i7 4770K @ 4.2Ghz
16Gb DDR3
1920x1200 @ 60Hz
Only The Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider don't allow me to run with everything maxxed out.
>>55550166
>still believing nvdia has async
the devs are probably told now that they dont have asycn and are trying to make an excuse or other workaround
>>55550263
>>55550166
>hope
>>55550263
>>55550359
If i was making there charts for nvidia I would feel guilty and quit.
>>55550359
>Someone actually made this
Buying flagship cards because they're future proof is dumb. You're assuming that 1) You're not gonna damage your card in that 8 years you're gonna use it and 2) Assuming that growth of technology is that linear, it might even be next month that they find the magic formula to shit out 1080s for cheaper.
I'm not talking to enthusiasts but buying for the relative short term is safer
>>55550390
>>55550408
They need to at least show some sort of (nonexistent) async capability so it would interest (scam) the consumers a bit
>>55550270
youre not pushing that 290 hard enough
git to 1150/1500
>>55550270
cancel your order to avoid tears and remorse.
>>55550470
I lost the silicon lottery unfortunately. At around 1100 it gets unstable no matter how much I push the voltage and power limit. Games shit themselves etc. 1000w EVGA PSU btw so should not be limited on that side.
>>55550482
Yeah I may just grab the Ntro 480 for now and sell the 290 on. The sell on again once Vega arrives in 2017.
>>55550504
Done. Fuck it I can live without paying the Nvidia tax for now.
>>55543522
>future proof
There is that meme again.
>>55550516
Vega or Navi if you want something high end out of AMD. Right now all we got is mainstream to budget tier cards from AMD. The r9 290 is in the same situation as the 7970, it's the GPU equivalent of sandy bridge 2500k, it just keeps delivering.
>>55550653
It's a meme nvidiots use to justify their $700 GPUs.
>>55550906
I'll probably just pick up the 480 nitro once some reviews are out
And then look into something beefier once zen's out and AMD has their APU bullshit
>>55551064
I'm interested in Zen, but I'm not fucking buying Zen. I'll wait for a second revision or a Zen+. Early adopters always tend to get fucked over. Same goes for this whole shit show of reference 480s vs. aftermarket 480s.
>>55543522
>nvidia showcased vulkan doom on their show back in may
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y3LaLJoo0s
>capped on 60 fps
>2k+mhz
>60 fps
>hurr durr we have async capabilities
meanwhile
doom released vulkan
nvidia nowere to be found
nvidia official statement
https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/752889939730149376
kek
epic kek
looks like they cant keep lying
>>55550263
>>55550359
guess what amd can do and what nvidia cant
>>55551237
make graphs that look like gummy worms?
>>55547208
Yep. Believe it or not, Kepler is already legacy and Maxwell will be soon. 7970 is still supported which was released 5 years ago.
>>55547208
the gimping started when rotr and total warhammer removed support for maxwell card with their latest update..
you literally cant play them at all
but for some reason people are fine no uproar no nothing if amd did that on gcn 1.1 they would have get a class action lawsuit from here to the moon
Async update for NVIDIA has yet to arrive. It literally says that in the DOOM update.
Ducking mongs.
>>55546191
>the laptop market doesnt exist.
>>55543522
Wew, back that up with a jpeg that shows it.
Hang on...
>>55552190
yup, nvidia is yet to create GPU with async you are right.
>Nvidia owns 80% of the market
>takes time to implement Async
>only a handful of games even have support at this point
>developers faced with deciding whether its worth pursuing for a small market segment
Not sure why everyone seems so excited about Async, it's objectively a good thing, but I have a hard time seeing it reach that many important games outside of frostbite in the coming years.
Even if AMD did gain market share you'd be damn sure Nvidia would add it in if it actually mattered for the average game.
You should be actually excited that AMD finally has games that don't rely on their shitpile DX11 and OpenGL drivers.
>>55552370
>takes time to implement Async
You mean like 355 days and counting?
>>55548915
>DOOM
>>55550270
Cancel it, the 256 bit bus on the 1070 is pathetic considering how expensive the card is too.
>>55552370
>pursuing for a small market segment
you know there are 60 million consols that support Async right? and when it is comes to games, they are the important market.
>>55547011
You don't understand. That vulkan destroys directx or not isn't the question. Directx 12 is windows 10 only. Why should we give a fuck when we run linux ? Vulkan will be supported on windows 7, 8, 10, linux, android...
Why devs should bother with directx ?
>>55552540
Because DX12 has a viable market compared to Vulkan.
>>55552582
Which is ? Why vulkan don't have a viable market ?
>>55552667
'Cuz it makes Nvidia look bad.
>>55552540
>Why devs should bother with directx ?
Not the same anon but have you ever heard of game consoles? You know all those games that are for Xbox, PS4 and PC? Which API do you think they use?
>>55552706
ps4 has its own. and it is similar to vulkan. an opengl variant.
xbox uses dx 12.
pc uses both. and only windows 10 have dx 12. but vulkan supports from windows 7 to 10, gnu/linux and macos.
it seems to me that vulkan has the numbers here.
>>55552755
And when a title is going to multi-platform which is the one the devs are most familiar with? DX 11? And it would be cheaper to transition to DX12 from DX11 because there is a lot less to relearn?
stupid question: how do you measure amd vs nvidia vulkan performance when it's not supported by nvidia yet?
>>55552768
>when a title is going to multi-platform which is the one the devs are most familiar with?
nearly all AAA games are developed in ps4 now. then ported to xbox and pc.
>transition to DX12 from DX11 because there is a lot less to relearn
you are in the wrong here. dx12 and 11 have nothing in common. that's why nvidia having problems while amd blooms.
>>55552787
but they do support it.
https://twitter.com/PellyNV/status/752889939730149376
>>55552811
>nearly all AAA games are developed in ps4 now. then ported to xbox and pc.
[citation needed]
>>55552811
>dx12 and 11 have nothing in common
[citation needed]
>>55552832
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/03/14/directx12-requires-different-optimization-on-nvidia-and-amd-cards-lots-of-details-shared/
>Developers can’t mix and match DirectX 11 and DirectX 12. Either they commit to DirectX 12 entirely, or they shouldn’t use it.
read it all.
>lead platform
a few below.
http://gamingbolt.com/the-ps4-was-the-lead-platform-for-just-cause-3
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/ps4-lead-platform-for-tom-clancy-division.453988117/
http://www.nowgamer.com/ps4-will-be-call-of-dutys-lead-platform/
http://ps4daily.com/2015/06/star-wars-battlefront-lead-platform-ps4/
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/playstation-nation-1000002/activision-changing-ps4-as-the-lead-platform-31153366/
>>55552667
It doesn't matter if Vulkan is multiplatform. Very few developers use it, and no one seriously uses Linux for gaming.
>>55552811
Nvidia has problems with DX12 solely because they ditched compute related hardware from their GPUs you dolt.
>>55552706
PS4 Uses LibGNM (low level) and GNMX (high level). Playstation has had a low level API for a long time in libGCM (PS3). I never got the hype behind DX12 as a console API. They are fixed systems that get access to low level APIs anyway except for maybe the XBO which used DX11 early in its life.
>>55552900
>read it all.
Yep. Seems the base code is the same, schedulers, compute ques, calls, etc. are all the same but have to be handle directly to optimize them rather than leaving them to the API itself. Your link actually provides that DX11 will translate well to DX12 but the added functions and features will require more "on-hands" development.
>just-cause-3
>tom-clancy-division
>call-of-dutys
>star-wars-battlefront
Yay! There were a handful of titles that were lead on PS4. How many were on the XBoxOne?
>>55552955
>I never got the hype behind DX12 as a console API.
It's microsoft trying to maintain market presence in the gaming market. So far it has been the go-to API for multiplatform titles if you want to get access on Steam and PCs.
>>55552970
>rather than leaving them to the API itself
that changes everything. that's why they said don't mix and match those two.
>handful of titles
i said a few below, i cannot write all of them.
>How many were on the XBoxOne?
you tell me, you are the one defending it.
>>55546657
FUCK RETURN IT AND SUPPORT NVIDIA
IT CAN'T END LIKE THIS
>>55543933
AMD ages better since the introduction of gpus.
>>55548164
Only gonna get worse. That's why I'm waiting for the 490 and passed over the 1070. Though I'm sort of pissed it's taking a while since I'm on a 770. You were on a 980 so you fucked up no matter how you slice it.
If it has HBM2 that's just icing on the cake
>>55553046
if 490 will be vega and not polaris, it will have hbm2.
>>55543621
Why are AMD shills this obvious?
>>55553126
That is yet to be verified. It could also be dual polaris and vega could be new fury or even 500-series for all we know.
>>55553126
I google 490 every fucking day. I almost bought a 1070 too since my 770 is a piece of shit.
So far there's rumors that its a scaled up 480/polaris that will cost 300 bucks, a dual gpu core card, that it's vega etc etc
Basically no one fucking knows. But like with the 390 having 8gb vs the 970's 3.5 and it getting these massive gains from dx12 as well with vulkan, you'd be an idiot not to wait at this point. Just a few more months maybe?
>>55553153
Just overclock your 680 (err I mean, 770) until its just below meltdown.
>>55553152
>>55553153
I'm taking AMD's word for it. if 490 will be based on vega, it will have hbm2 according to the chart.
>>55553183
Of course vega is going to be HBM2 based. But we still don't know what 490 is going to be based on. Is it dual polaris or vega?
>>55553205
>we still don't know what 490 is going to be based on
that's why I'm saying "if"
For me, polaris' top performance is really 480. it cannot go over that.
Dual polaris wouldn't happen. fury line was very succesful for me, amd would choose the same path for high perf, rather than toasting the cards yet again.
>>55553153
I know this struggle, i was looking to replace my shitty 285 with 1070 this month, but more and more games start to support DX12\Vulkan , and even on a small card like 480 the benefits are huge, an AMD card that can rival 1070\1080 would be instabuy from me, BUT who the hell knows when 490 comes out? October is the optimistic date, October could be just a reveal, it could be November-December or even 2017. We have to wait at least for a three month, the struggle never ends.
>Tfw you bought AMD and banked on Vulkan being amazing and it all worked out
>>55553153
300 shekels would be fucking great. This price area is no mans land atm...
>>55543522
the major increase is probably coming from the fact that their OGL drivers are pure shit, something that should come as no surprise to anyone who ever ran an OGL game with ATi/AMD card.
http://richg42.blogspot.sk/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html
>>55553205
A dual Polaris 10 card would be worthless. The die was designed to be cheap, and it sacrificed perf/watt to achieve that. The high reference clocks make up for having only 32ROPs. Fine compared to the Tahiti die, but lacking vs the more modern Hawaii. It is in fact a factory overclocked card.
Putting two of these on one board to create a 300w~ GPU only roughly comparable to the GTX 1080 in certain titles would be a waste of time for everyone involved.
The 490 is Vega, not Polaris.
>>55553183
If the 490 is based on polaris then it likely won't be. But then if it was based on polaris, we'd have gotten it out already. Why is amd waiting? It could likely be HBM2
Even if it isn't I'd just buy their next fury if that's vega. I just want HBM2 at all costs
Why? Because it's highly likely the next xbone will have 12gb vram and will be based on vega. Meaning the next xbone MIGHT have hbm2 or something similar. Meaning devs will raise the bar for it in a lot of games.
So far nvidia is only shitting HBM2 out on their titan from what I heard. I really don't care about wars or anything. If the 1070 seemed to support these new apis and had hbm2 I would have bought it. But it seems to be a stop gap before volta and I want a good 4 years out of my card.
>>55553205
>>55553258
There are actually two chips - Vega 10 and Vega 11, they are probably going to be different size: 300-400$ range with gddr5\X5 and another one 600$+ with hbm2. Makes sense.
>>55553324
Designing a die with a HBM PHY and a GDDR5 PHY would be a horrendous waste of die area and transistors.
>>55543522
I agree, 1080p is and always has been a meme and everyone who fell for it is a giant faggot.
>>55553347
I agree. AMD will never use 5X.
>>55543665
You card is broken. I get 270fps
>>55553260
Don't join the AMD train of waiting for everything or you'll be waiting yourself into a coffin.
Just buy whatever is good NOW, since that's when you'll be using the damn thing.
>>55543833
>>55543872
Nvidia on obsolete watch
>>55553469
Good idea, let's buy a new card every year.
Because future proofing is for idiots.
>>55543522
>>55553570
Well yes, future proofing is for idiots.
>>55553618
>Well yes, future proofing is for Nvidiots.
A driver gimping a year keeps the goyim in fear.
>>55552667
>>55552921
ALL major game engines support Vulkan. Vulkan is the future. Vulkan is life. Vulkan will bring peace between console, PC and mobile gaming, all united in peace under kumbaya songs.
Nvidia a shit.
>>55553689
UE4, Source 2, idTech 6 and Serious Engine 4. Hardly "all" of the major ones, but UE4 alone is going to be a big player in the future.
>>55553915
Does cryengine support it yet? All we need is cryengine and frostbite to support vulkan and its basically game over.
>>55553653
There's 'future proofing' and there's 'just not buying a new card until you actually need to'
>>55553304
But people with lesser cpu+nvidia cards get a decent boost as well. Are you saying nvidia really is gimping drivers on older cards?
>>55553570
Or lets keep posting bollocks on a forum about waiting.
Wait for the 480 , it comes out and people say wait for the 490. Its a endless circle.
Then you get others have disposable income and like buying the latest and best ones.
I know where you are coming from though as Im the same with mobiles, I dont understand peoples needs to get the latest one. See that to me is dumb
>>55554125
Nah people who wanted a 380 were told to wait. Now isn't a good time to buy flaghsips since amd doesn't release theirs answer to the1070/80 but the later two perform not good enough to be worth the shekels (especially for me living in Europe where the prices are 500€/750€). I have a card that runs what I want with settings turned down you simply don't need to to hop on every latest hypetrain.
When you have no competition there is no reason to push the limits of hardware
>>55543621
>>55553576
results are inconsistent from every test, but i would think that a lower end tier cpu paired with a high end GPU would have gains but the max FPS wont be high for nVidia
Async disabled due to use of smaa.
>>55554769
>370 is faster than 780ti
>>55554769
>That amazing multi-gpu scaling
Looks like that modern multi-gpu technology is finally paying off.
>>55554877
>980 sli performing the same as a single 980
>>55554914
>>55554769
>crossfire fury x performing less than a single fury x
>>55554940
If a game doesn't support multi-gpu you tend to see slight negative scaling due to the additional overhead in the drivers that two cards have - even if one is sitting idle.
>>55550270
>1920x1200 @ 60Hz
Nigga the 290 can run that fine. 1070/980Ti and above for 1440p. Jesus Christ, this is why Nvidia has so much marketshare.
>>55554834
Keplerfags got massively cucked. I would know, I had a 670 and it's right there at the bottom in the 760. Maxwell with the 970 is definitely my last Nvidia card. Linux AMD drivers are bad, but they're getting there while being open source. It's only a matter of time until Maxwell gets fucked as well.
>>55548789
980tis are pretty low on kijiji
It's been a while so idk how many are up left
I'll be selling mine before Vega if you wanna buy them anon :)
>he thinks new games are good and worth paying hundreds of dollars for an overheating fuckhuge pile of shit video card
Sigh. When the fuck are we ever going to have another videogame crash? Today's "games" are fucking stupid.
NVIDIOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH
PAJEET RULES THE WORLD
>>55554769
>TFW 780Ti
>>55555260
>doom
>far cry 3
>withcer 3
>gta 5
Thats easily 500 hours of gameplay.
we see when 1060 hit the market senpai,
it's gonna be fun.
>>55543522
What is Vulkan and how can I get it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHmV3c7H1Q
>>55553973
Gee, I don't know, does the list include Cryengine?
>>55555260
>XD why aren't le games as good as when I was a kid lmao remember mario bros???
Fuck off, most people who obsess over the "new games are SHIT" meme don't even play anything anymore or remember that a lot of older games were fucking shit (and not just "oh this is boring" shit like today's worst games, they were literally unplayable). They sure as fuck don't bother looking for games outside of the mainstream, either.
>>55543522
Haha
>kepler
>>55553618
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Maybe they should start changing the the international symbol of acces to the Nvidia icon. Because obviously you guys are mentally challenged.
>>55555260
>he never played a Souls game
>>55549963
That's Nvidia's fault for not developing support for it, even though they been claiming Vulkan support since Maxwell
>>55554769
Was the 290 or 290X suppose to compete with the 780ti? How much were they at release?
>>55558060
The 780ti was flatout faster than a 290x (not by a huge amount mind, but it was faster) upon its release.
>>55558060
It was supposed to compete with the 780, and bested it by some margin
That along with the mining craze priced the 290X at 700+, and the 290 at 500+
After the 780Ti and the launch of ASIC's for scrypt based criptocoins their price normalized to the same as their Nvidia counterparts
>Decide to buy a 1080
>Notice how the prices are WAY above the MSRP and unless I get a great deal I'm still paying a huge markup
AMD Come save me
>>55558060
290x was $500 at release while the 980ti released later at $700.
>>55554769
>r7 370 outperforming 780ti
>>55559337
Must be those superior Nvidia drivers /g/ tells me about.
>>55543522
Even on Vulkan/DX12 nVidia is still faster. No AMD card can beat the GTX 1080.
>>55553017
>you tell me, you are the one defending it.
No I'm not. Questioning the veracity of your claim does not make me assume the opposite position. If you do not know you demonstrate that you are arguing from ignorance as you only have, at best, half the information.
>>55548375
>self identifies as a fanboy
an hero
>>55543621
Celeron and i7 are both of the same architecture, so I wouldn't expect there to be much of a difference
>>55560042
Seems legit.
>>55553915
>>55553973
Cryengine and Frostbite supports Dx12. Basically AMD won.
>>55560092
Unreal Engine won't. And its still popular enough. So nvidia won.
Chances are they won't enable async compute even if they support dx12. So nvidia will be better anyway.
>>55560055
Are you dumb?
>Skylake is the codename for the Intel® processor microarchitecture that is the successor to the Broadwell microarchitecture. Most Skylake products are branded as 6th Generation Intel® Core™ processor for desktop and mobile client systems and Intel® Xeon® processor E3 v5 for single-socket server and workstation systems, in addition to some Pentium and Celeron-branded processors.
http://ark.intel.com/pt-br/products/codename/37572/Skylake#@All
>mfw DX12
>>55560248
>le amd stutters meme
ignore bullshit graphs and look at real footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxnFv8cnjZA
>>55560302
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot about that.
>>55560199
>what is sarcasm and an ancient meme
>>55560375
either you didn't watch the video or your eyes are fucked
>>55560434
It's an issue that has already been fixed. My benchmark is from 2 days ago.
Just a heads up for all my fellow poorfags. That $130 GTX960 is awesome for a budget build.
>>55560500
That is only a good deal if you can't find a 380 (or maybe 380x) around that price. If you can the 960 is a poor choice.
>>55560500
>getting a 960
it's the worst thing NVIDIA has ever done, why would you ever consider getting one when you can get a 280X or a 380 for the same price?
>>55554769
>TFW you bought a 780ti
>>55543522
>GTX 1080 fastest card you can buy
>is somehow shit
Dude take your pills and take a break from browsing 4chan
>>55543621
>people falling for this bait
Sure is summer in here
>>55556698
platformers were always shit. i don't know how people can defend them.
>>55543833
>>55543872
>still not showing the 1080 and 1070 together
ARE YOU ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY RETARDED
THIS or a 1070?
>>55562729
>Pay 1070 prices for a GPU that's slower and going to become victim to Nvidia's gimping plan in the coming year or two
God no... The only reason any sane or non-stupid person would have for buying a 980 today would be if you got one for much cheaper than a 1070.
Oh and by "much cheaper" I mean $300 or less.
>>55562775
where can one get a 1070 for $399? they are all $450+
>>55562793
You can't and that's why it's shit card for the money. You're fucked if you want to upgrade now and want more than mid-ranged card.
>>55543716
1070 is only 10 less than the 1080. That's just 0.92% less performance. They are basically the same
>>55560500
>buying previous generation hardware that isn't for servers
Nigga just buy a RX470. The 960 is a fucking joke of a card. The only good Maxwell cards are the 980Ti and the 750Ti, the 970 had an amazing value until 3.5.
>>55562729
>nvidia shit
just kys
>>55543716
The 1080 has 33% more shaders, ROPs, TMUs, has 25% more memory bandwidth, and runs at a 6% higher GPU core clock speed.
>>55566588
>kys
You might as well kill yourself and fuck off to YouTube.
>>55566840
kys
I checked 4 different sites and see 4 different results for Doom Vulkan, ranging from on-par with Maxwell to WTF 60% gain like this one.
This surely will not cause any drama.
>>55567052
some sites benchmark with all the new features disabled
>>55566987
>kys
You might as well kill yourself and fuck off to YouTube.
