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When ever i unplug my mouse, all the settings in Xmodmap are no longer honored.
I looked at udev,but i didnt see how i could reset the config/bindings
How do i increase the trackpoint speed? In settings > Mouse nothing a change makes a difference. It only effects the touchpad mouse.
>>55097337
Tried this?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TrackPoint
>>55097365
Yeah i managed to enable middle scroll button by creating a 20-thinkpad.conf file, but im not sure what to edit in that file to increase the speed.
>>55097409
You wouldn't have that problem if you didn't think you were too cool for DEs.
>>55097409
https://gist.github.com/noromanba/11261595
>>55097425
>friendly thread
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>>55097215
Considering switching from Ubuntu to Debian
How much less user friendly is it?
>>55097496
unsubscribed
>>55097519
Current ubuntu is a barely usable mess, and current debian is about 20 times more user-friendly.
Why does the sound from the music player sound like shit but sound fine with parole? Is it because of plugins? I'm using clementine and gmusicbrowser and the music doesn't sound as good as parole media player.
>>55097425
I'm using Cinnamon actually
>>55097519
If you instal your choice of DE from the installer it can be just as user friendly
I got a headset with a microphone built in. Sound works, but the mic doesn't. I checked the arch wiki and they say
> Microphone detected but does not work (HSP profile unavailable). If the Bluetooth connection cuts, there will be a noticeable delay in audio. Work around by reinitializing the Bluetooth connection.
Should I give up and use another mic or can I fix that somehow ?
>>55097812
You should post what hardware you're using(usb,3,5,bluetooth) and what audio driver you are using.
>>55097519
Im also considering this. Just wondering, what the major differences are and any pros/cons?
If you experience screen tearing in Cinnamon and don't feel like troubleshooting it, just install MATE
>>55097215
When I try to watch internet videos on Midori I get this error. Also some sites tell me to upgrade my browser. What's the problem?
>pro-redhat threads
>>55098095
>shitposting
I FUCKING HATE EVINCE. I JUST LOST HOURS WORTH OF ANNOTATIONS AND BOOKMARKS EVEN THOUGH IT CLAIMS TO HAVE SAVED
>>55098020
drm
LINUX
>>55098788
The only usable pdf readers are atril and okular.
In the past few days I've tried to install ubuntu, debian, fedora and manjaro.
Manjaro was the only one that installed flawlessly with exactly the configs I wanted.
Manjaro and debian were the only ones I could remove systemd from.
Manjaro was the only one I could use upower-pm-utils and have all programs make use of it instead of simply dropping power management support.
Moreover, manjaro's firmware and drivers worked even better than with ubuntu and was correctly installed during the install process, unlike in the case of ubuntu.
Debian also installed the firmware, but required manual loading during install.
Overall, fedora was the worst, followed by ubuntu, then powergap, then debian, then another powergame, then manjaro.
So much for the mainstream distros.
>>55099128
Now enable the unstable repo
>I use GNU/Linux
>>55099197
>>55099185
Never ever. I use AUR + stable for software and only stable for updates. If I one day need a package that is available in unstable but not stable, I'll get that one package from unstable and nothing else. Failing that (e.g. too many conflicts), I'll grab it from AUR.
>>55099204
You dropped your hat.
>>55099229
You forgot to shower
>>55099267
Why did you post a picture of yourself?
>>55099286
This is you without your thick glasses
Hey guys, just wondering which AMD driver I should use on arch and how to install it (yaourt or whatever), planning on using wine, gallium and shit
>>55099487
Always use pacman first, only use yaourt for packages not available in the repos or if you need specific versions or compile-time settings.
>>55099521
But what's the name of it, isn't there like 3 different ones?
>>55099197
>>55099204
>>55099229
>>55099267
>>55099286
>>55099312
>you wear this
>you write these things
>you wear this
>you look like this
>no, you look like that
>no, you look like that
this is /fglt/, not kindergarten
can I change i686 ubuntu into amd64?
>>55099815
No.
What do I do with manually compiled binaries and their build directories before a big dist-upgrade? Can I just leave them alone?
For those guys wantin to rice. Ricing GNU/Linux is made by choosing not only the theme, but what software goes into your computer. "Display Managers" are the login screens. "Window Managers" are what the part drawing the borders, colors, etc. "File Managers" are the thing that handles how you browse your machine.
Window Manager Reviews. To decide the main look and feel.
https://ghostbin.com/paste/tfnhk/raw
GNU/Linux Software Big List. For options on many more stuff.
https://ghostbin.com/paste/zf6af/raw
Where to get some themes and icons
https://www.box-look.org
https://www.gnome-look.org
How to Customize your Bash Prompt
https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-customize-your-bash-prompt-on-a-linux-vps
http://dotshare.it/
http://terminal.sexy/
As the Cinnamon DE was created by the same geniuses who brought us Linux Mint, should I steer clear of it -- or is that overkill?
This is in the context of a Fedora 23 install.
>>55097215
ok, so xf86-input-synaptics updated
and now, soft touch isn't enabled, how do I enable it
>>55099934
On second thought I don't care, Cinnamon is really slick. Already settling in.
>>55099915
as long as whatever was built hasn't messed with anything that the dist-upgrade will be upgrading then you should have no problems
>>55099934
depends who maintains the package. if its offered by fedora then i dont see why its a bad thing.
personally i think mint is a bit of a useless distro, but if the de works for you and is packaged well for your distro who cares.
How do you guys make a "message of the day", that thing at login a user (see pic)?
I know is different for root that for a regular user so I wanted to ask the different methods you have.
For the past few years I've had to use Windows on my laptop cause it was my online computer and I gaymed once in a while. Now I got a desktop and am looking for an OS for my laptop. I want something arch based because I have great experiences with pacman in my arch days. I don't feel like setting everything up though and was thinking of using a derivative. Should I use something more stable like Manjaro, or something else like antegros? Basically just looking for a decently non troublesome daily laptop OS that's arch based.
Reminder we have two threads on /t/.
A thread for videos on learning GNU/Linux
>>>/t/713097
>>>/t/713097
And another for ported gaymes
>>>/t/707928
>>>/t/707928
>>55100558
Forgot pic.
>>55100558
man motd
>>55100624
That is even more complicated than puting "cat ascii" in the bash_profile. How will you do it?
Why does my file explorer need an icon for every drive in my system? How the fuck do I stop this?
>>55101034
>unimeme
kek
>>55101072
I like Unity
>>55101133
goddamn rtl fucks me up every time.
no matter how much mango i look at it always throws me
>>55099712
"I know you are but what am I?"
Fuck just talk about Linux, in a friendly way, that's what this fucking thread is here for
>>55101034
could you explain a bit better? can't you just right click the icon an detach it from the bar or you want for the drive to not be shown in nautilus?
>>55101205
>hate spoiling things
>open picture
>instinctively start at the top left
>spoil it and confuse myself as the following text doesn't make sense at the same time
>>55101346
The problem is the second I open up my other drive the icon reappears. Using nautilus and using nautilus to browse my other drive act as two separate applications. Nautilus is ONE application and the icon should reflect this. It's such a tiny thing that pisses me off to no end.
In UEFI startup menu, I have over 50 boot entries, most are to the same drive. How do I get rid of them?
>>55101855
If by UEFI statup menu you mean the grub boot select screen then grub usually just picks up all the kernels in /boot and makes one (or two) entries per. So if that is the case for you just un-install old kernels or whatever.
Is debian unstable a legitimate replacement for a rolling release distro or no? I know the other repos go into code freeze before a new stable release but I'm not sure how sid works
Can someone explain to me like im retarded what FLAGS are with portage in Gentoo
>>55101034
pls respond here's a pic of my desktop with nautilus open
What's the best distro to try to get help for if the things you try out after googling still don't work?
>>55101034
>>55102130
And then I click on my other drive in the same fucking nautilus that I had open and it creates a whole new fucking icon for it. God fucking damn it I HATE IT.
>>55102030
Nah you dont wanna do that. If you want Rolling release install Arch or Gentoo lad
>>55102145
justunitythings.jpg
>>55102130
>>55102145
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT EVERY TIME I TURN ON MY COMPUTER AND LOOK AT THIS STUPID FUCKING SCREEN WITH TWO
TWO
1+1=2
2!!!!!!
FUCKING ICONS FOR MY FILE EXPLORER I JUST WANT TO FUCKING THROW MY COMPUTER OUT THE WINDOW
SERIOUSLY
SERIOUSLY GUYS HOW THE FUCK DO I GET RID OF IT
I WANT TO DIE
SOMEONE KILL ME
FUCKING HELL
>>55102209
install gentoo
holy shit guys. was able to get nextcloud up and running with a snap, in a snap.
shit, might be taking a side already. will check out the other implementations.
>>55102342
Where can I subscribe to your blog
>>55102352
>friendly
>>55099072
makifag? how is the navy??
>>55102341
No thanks I'll just install KDE neon
>>55102030
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/25fr04/does_sid_freeze_along_with_testing/
Yes it is a rolling release and yes feature uploads to unstable are delayed during the freeze at the discretion of the maintainers. Pretty sure experimental is just whatever goes though.
What's a good, simple image viewer that will let me scroll through the images in a directory with the mouse wheel? I'm currently using gThumb, which is okay but it tries to show video and audio files as well, which I don't want.
>>55099929
>>55100596
This should be in the OP.
Ive come to a point in my life where im so completely bored that I am reading the Gentoo handbook and installing Gentoo in a VM just to see if i have the mental capacity to do so (and also to learn a thing or to)
trying to get steam working on arch with amdgpu drivers
I'm getting the 'unable to load driver r600_dri.so' error
I installedlib32-libXtst lib32-libXrandr lib32-libpulse lib32-gdk-pixbuf2 lib32-gtk3 lib32-gtk2
So I have a binary file that was compiled on another system. To make the matters worse they linked it against randomly named libraries. The first obstruction was that it was used a differently named Linux loader, let's call it "a.so", I beat it by copying /lib/ld-linux.so into the directory and running it with ./a.so ./file but it further requires some randomly named libraries. How would I go about figuring out the import lists to figure out what were the original libraries and how do I make ldd work with that custom loader?
How do I disable SystemDildo components? Say I want journald to fuck off so I can use syslog in peace, how do I go about doing that?
This is especially important since this abortion will be absorbing firewall and dns soon.
>>55104494
Okay, instead of using ldd I simply used readelf utility and that worked. However the first question still remains, given exported symbols and dynamic dependencies, is there any way to see which functions are imported from dynamic libraries?
what torrent clients are available through pacman?
>>55097496
What is this? Some PGP key in brainfuck?
>>55104975
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geek_code
>>55104945
>through pacman
You mean through the Official Arch Repositories?
qBittorrent
Deluge
rtorrent
transmission
...
Full list here: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&q=torrent
>tfw$ uname -r
GNU/Linux
>>55105185
I meant$ uname -o
Does anyone here use DM-Crypt LUKS? I use it with LVM to encrypt my rootfs (passphrase protected.) I was just curious because it's something I never learned. If in the future I would like to zero and urandom out my drive how would I go about removing /dev/mapper/encryptedroot? Does gparted have that feature or?
>>55105204
boot from slax:dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=4M;sync;sync;sync;dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX bs=4M;sync;sync;sync;poweroff
>>55105250
Okay. I just wasn't sure if that would work since I have an encrypted volume. Looks like I can do that from any live medium, why do I need Slax?
>>55105277
oh it'll work, any live medium just suggesting. the disk holds all data, so i wouldn't only overwrite the encrypted partitions leaving /boot and the mbr there proving it had encryption on it.
suggestions for a more recent live cd that's super good?
I would switch to Arch, it looks like a promising distro, but why are it's users so shitty? Will switching turn me into a dick also?
Any tips in improving virtualbox performance?
My old single core jumps up to 80%, no matter what distro I'm running. Host is Arch.
>>55105366
I think it's mostly stereotypes.
Any arch users that isn't underage knows that installing it isn't difficult and every person having a minimum of knowledge about linux can install it and use it, so he won't brag about it.
>>55105321
I gotcha. I think my favorite is SystemRescueCD. My SSD wouldn't recognize the Gentoo live medium and so I tried that and realized it's based on Gentoo and also comes with a lot of great tools.
>>55105366
It's alright. Pacman and the ABS are pretty cool.
>>55105446
Every community has their bad apples but the Arch community can be pretty immature. Take the FreeBSD community for example. "If you use anything other than BSD then you're a fucking idiot." Typical fanboy tardism. Arch community can be pretty unfriendly which is why I only stayed for a few months. The Gentoo community treats noobs very kindly as do a lot of others.
I want the transparent gnome-terminal in debian.
Should i download the packages from ubuntu repositories, use an old version from debian wheezy or is there a hack that works on jessie?
Devilspie also makes the text transparent so it doesn't count.
>>55105504
>Arch community can be pretty unfriendly which is why I only stayed for a few months
I don't get that.
Why don't you just install a distribution, use it, and not give a shit about the community ?
Whatever the distribution I never felt like I had to spend time on the forums of the distribution, and never wanted.
How can I force fonts to only use the regular size with fontconfig? I have a default font, and I always want it to use the regular style/weight, never bold or italic.
>>55105548
Well, I shouldn't have said that. The community wasn't the main the reason I left. It just added to the reasons of why I disliked it. I wanted to get away from Systemd and most of the software in the AUR is available on Github anyway.
>>55102136
It depends how much you're skilled with linux.
In general it will be ubuntu, a distribution based on it or debian, because those are similar and have the largest user base.
But if you want a good advice, when you have an issue here's the steps :
1- check your distribution wiki
2- check the arch wiki (it's a complete documentation and most things works whatever your distribution is. I no longer bother with the debian wiki and just use the arch one when it's not a debian specific issue like installing a driver or dealing with apt for example)
3- google it.
>>55105578
You can add something like this to Xdefaults or whatever you useURxvt*boldFont: false
Like that?
>>55105597
I want this change to be global, even in GTK applications.
i have an old toshiba netbook lying around here. i'm talking 1GB RAM, Intel Atom processor etc.
I currently have Lubuntu installed, as it's the most basic, lightweight distro I could find.
Got any suggestions or ideas what I could do with that thing?
Is deepin linux a good distro? is it botnet?
>>55105613
Oh okay. Well that depends on what wm/de you use. Like in OpenBox-3 I can change those settings in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml
>>55105508
Why aren't you using urxvt like everyone else!
>>55105627
Turn it into a physical sandbox environment? Reverse engineer malware and other fun stuff?
>>55098020
>midori
>using a niche browser for no reason other than because he most likely thinks it's "lightweight"
>>55105597
Don't use *, use .
>>55105613
The correct way is via fontconfig.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/font_configuration
>>55105668
>following the mainstream like a good sheep
>>55097215
sup fa/g/s I was in Bonaroo for a week getting fucked up..
Did the AMD drivers come out for 16.04 yet or should I just give up?
>>55105664
nice idea, but i'm afraid that's not really my area of expertise
>>55105692
install gentoo
>>55105627
Its kinda scary at first, but if you were to install Arch it would be your best bet on that.
>>55098788
Some people do annotate stuff?
So I installed Arch in a virtual machine and riced it to my needs. Is there a way to turn the virtual installation into a real one?
>>55100396
There's a thread on the Arch forums about it in the laptop section.
>>55105669
>The correct way is via fontconfig.
I'm well aware, but I don't find any ressouces on how to do this peculiar thing and I can't seem to be able to do it by myself.
I suspect that my font only comes in a single style and thus uses the "embolden" property to fake the bold weight so I tried the following:<match>
<test name="family" qual="any">
<string>MyFont</string>
</test>
<edit mode="assign" name="embolden">
<bool>false</bool>
</edit>
</match>
with no result.
>>55105779
I think there is but idk cause I fucked my install up. You use VirtualBox or VMware?
>>55105801
VirtualBox
>>55104638
Just readelf -sW ... | grep -v UND should do it
>>55104511
You're such an advanced user to need a specific logging program, but you don't know how to search the internet for documentation about a "problem" you're experiencing? Even worse: you're so stupid to expect someone to explain to you such a complicated effort on here.
>>55105820
Oh, I figured it an hour ago by using nm to get the list of dynamic functions, it turned out it was all the standard stuff (libc, libm, libstdc++, libgcc) and libpthread, all under some random cryptic names. Copying the 32 versions of those into the directory and changing the names did the trick.
>>55105581
See this >>55105826. It applies to you as well.
>>55105799
Use<edit mode="assign" name="embiggen">
<bool>false</bool>
>>55105851
Doesn't work. But I just found a correct workaround:<edit mode="assign" name="weight">
<int>80<int>
So as expected my font only comes in a single format and the others are fontconfig tricks. I only need to revert the weight property to the same value as the regular style's.
>>55105826
even the babbiest of linux babbys can tell you why logging to binary files is bad
>>55105837
What problem are you referring to retard? I guarantee you're part of the arch nemesis problem. I didn't come here with any issues. I came here to help people. Fucking moron.
>>55104511
Are you using arch? It's right there in the repos, install openrc and look for -upower variants of your favorite programs.
Are you using debian? Add the devuan repos and upgrade.
Otherwise, install gentoo. In particular, if you're using ubuntu or fedora, you have no choice.
>>55105508
use terminator instead
>>55105596
Why would the Arch Wiki contain information about apt, since Arch uses pacman instead?
>>55106155
>what is tmux
t. every terminator user
>>55105596
>>3- google it.
Leave this thread forever and never come back.
>>55106261
he asked for transparency, terminator happens to support transparency, so I recommended it.
>>55102553
It's not stable yet. and I really don't understand your question
>>55106098
>>55106281
gnome terminal supports it aswell
Is there any fucking mirrorlist on Arch that will give me more than 30KiB/s max? In Australia, btw. ;_;
>>55106101
Are you seriously advising someone to install something other than Systemd on a distro that doesn't support anything other than Systemd? Jesus Christ... This is what 4chins has come to.
>>55106045
Why is it?
>>55106322
Hello inbred.
What's the problem with systemd?
>>55105995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcxsgZxqnEg
>>55106376
Nothing
>>55106376
systemd did nothing wrong
>>55106320
>edit mirrorlist
>find mirrors in your country
>uncomment them
>stop bitching
Option 2:
>Use reflector
>>55105581
>most of the software in the AUR is available on Github anyway.
What does that even mean? What does the AUR have to do with a git repository host?
>>55106376
Overly bloated and completely unnecessary with potential security hazards. Also the devs are garbage.
>>55106376
PID1, for one.
Binary logging
http server included
The fact it absorbs every single thing for exactly 0 reason
The fact that if it can't reach your dns, it will send all your internet traffic unencrypted and use google's dns
The fact that there are dozens of CLOSED-WONTFIX bugs related to log corruption, and twice as much related to PID1 crashes.
>>55106392
Tried option 1 already, I still get the same speeds. I'll look into reflector. Thanks.
>>55105581
>most of the software in the AUR is available on Github anyway.
Hey anon I am a total noob. would you mind posting a step by step guide to compile this?
https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt
>>55106405
I'm saying that instead of using that bullshit software anarchy I can just use git. Is it really that complex?
>>55106376
>>55106376
It started as an init program, which was fine, but is now usurping every system service.It is an overcomplicating monster that is taking over things it would never touch.
Tts going to remove the need for iptables and dns. They already took over su(calling it uneeded), device mapper,crypto.
They are a monolithic whore that developers are giving in to, and now 90% of the system depends on systemd
>>55106432
https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt#compiling
>>55106440
So is GIMP, why would you want a single program for every task GIMP does?
>muh unix philosophy
Go buy a mac.
>>55106434
>>55106461
>Make sure ldconfig is run after compiling libmpv, or you may end up with linker errors.
I am new, and I am looking for a friendly guide.
Should be easy for you right, just post a step by step setup guide
>>55106464
>So is GIMP,
Are you retarded or just pretending?
>>55106468
Um, sure:
1) Start the terminal
2) Move your hands onto the keyboard
3) Type the letters ldconfig in that specific order
4) Press enter
5) Proceed to the next step
>>55106440
Developers love systemd because it exposes a single interface to various Linux components instead of them having to maintain their own interfaces to Linux.
>>55106468
>Being this blatantly ignorant
nice b8 m8
>>55105366
The users them selves are not the problem. It is the non arch using vapid posters on /g/ that create the false environment of arch, completly lacking any knowledge about arch when people ask questions, and always resolve to using :"LOL ARCH FAG GO FUCK YOUR PRECIOIS AUR" when they cant fix a problem.
The toxic comminuty, on /g/, arent arch users, its the users that tried to install arch, and couldnt fathom typing in 10 commands to get a working system.
(this post will get 50 replies,when the posts asking for help on arch, will get 1 reply that is off topic)
>>55106474
Nice retort. You sure showed me.
>>55106479
command not found
>>55106464
>gimp
Gimp is not an init system
>>55106493
Retarded then. Oh well.
>>55106499
Ah, thanks for confirming you're just baiting.
>>55106491
What's with all the Arch users hating on every distro that doesn't use "SUPERIOR PACMAN" and bully people "LOOK HES TOO STUPID TO INSTALL ARCH"?
How to proper filepicker without the need to install ugly bloated ass KDE?
>>55106515
Come on, just post a step by step guide please I said I am new
Here is what I got
1. bootstrap.py
2. ./waf configure --enable-libmpv-shared
3...
>>55106549
3) ./waf build
4) sudo ./waf install
5) sudo ldconfig
>>55106491
>Can't install Arch Linux
You're the problem
>>55106564
Uhoh, says some pkgsrc not found
>>55106537
Pacman is better then any current linux package manager. I've never seen a post in here trying to get out of dep hell using pacman.
I've never seen an arch user,having problems getting a third party repo(s) to work.
People are complaing about issues on deb/ubuntu/fedora/etc, which arch simply dosent have.
I try to help people here and most times it boils down to having to do a backhand patch/config to get basic funtionality outside of their package manger,causing other problems in the future, not to mention maintaing repo of programs you have installed manually because they are 2 milestones behind.Which arch simply dosent have
>>55106590
pacman can't even distinguish between free and nonfree packages, guess why? Because Arch just throws every package into one shithole.
>>55106590
If you think Pacman is superior to Ports or Portage you're out of your mind.
>>55106608
NEWS FLASH: Freetards use parabola
>>55106567
Nice 4 minute VM boot up that you only use for desktop threads, and shit posting as an arch user
>>55106617
Parabola doesn't ship nonfree packages, retard.
>>55106616
C > Python anyday so yeah
>>55106629
Oh great you know, you deserve handclaps. And why do you want to distinguish them?
>>55106631
My God you are fucking delusional
>>55106652
Cry some more.
>>55106642
>why do you want to distinguish them
topkek
>>55106573
At the third step? And are you sure you have all of the dependencies installed?
>>55106567
Are we bragging about our Arch setups now?
>>55106616
Pacman is a billion times better than pkg, but slightly worse than emerge. Aur is slightly worse than portage and much better than ports. Moreover, aur has the most packages by far.
>>55106658
XDD
>>55106624
>>55106657
arch nemesis script kiddies
>>55106661
Are you even trying to install it?
>>55106687
What?
>>55106657
One day you'll become enlightened
>>55097496
Nice idea, but I just can't stand the word "geek" anymore.
>>55106608
Why would you need to?
If you want libre software, you should know what you're installing. If you cannot, then it clearly dosent matter to you.
You are free to install any software you want, arch dosent impeade you from installing what you want, or having to enable extra steps to get software.
Arch.
I want to install program
I install program
Anything else
I want to install program
Is it libre free or is my ansus going to be sodmized?
OH MY GOD IT IS NOT LIBRE FREE, ABORT
Or
I want to install program
Um where is program
You have to enable 2 repos to get program to work, and another 2 repos to get the deps solved
>>55106761
>>>/windows/
>>55106806
Hi
Please don't start this, you know you won't win this argument.
>>55106834
Then tell me what's the point in switching to GNU/Linux when you're going to install the same crap like on Windows and don't care what your program actually does?
>Please don't start this
You already did by shitting "OH MY GOD IT IS NOT LIBRE FREE, ABORT"
Does anyone use a one core machine in this thread? I need to check something.
>>55106857
There's a difference between discriminating between software based on license and outright depriving yourself of useful or even necessary software a priori due to the license.
>>55106857
Philosophical reasons. I want GNU to prevail but you simply cannot run non free systems on laptops these days
>>55106862
i've got lubuntu on an old p4
is that what you mean
What is the most adequate DE? KDE and Gnome
not really, and use a lot of resources , and the rest does not develop. What to choose?
>>55106916
Windows user who want's to come home? Mate
Making yourself comfy on GNU/Linux? No DM; get a WM.
>>55106908
Could you do cat /proc/stat and tell me what are the first two output lines? I'm interested in whether it does still display per core (like cpu0 after cpu) loads or summarizes that into just cpu when running on a single core machine.
>>55106925
mmmokay
also it's a p4 with hyperthreading enabled. do you want me to disable hyperthreading in the bios beforehand?
>>55106857
>not switch
I dont want MS to track everything on my system, nor do i want them to dicate what is and isnt sent over my network?
>program actually does
The program i install does what i tell program i to do.
So you're equating that if im not a stallmanist,that im some demon?
I use linux,because it is easier to maintain,and i enjoy using it
I don't have to be told what i can and cannot use,based on the assumptions of a clearly deranged hobo(check his main page "i need people to do this and this because im too lazy to do it, and i dont get enough donations")
I honestly dont get your paranoia, if you're this paranoid, why dont you build your own distro? If you cant trust anything or anyone on your system.Do you trust the controllers on your motherboard,that arent using libre OR free software? What about the microcode?
>>55106930
I'm not sure how it affects the output because I'm not running HT, if you could do me a favor and do it with both HT enabled and disabled I'd be really grateful.
>>55106761
>>55106937
okay
brb
Join us now and share the software
you'll be free hackers
you'll be freee
>>55106933
>The program i install does what i tell program i to do.
not if it's proprietary, wake up buddy
>>55106933
This posts makes me sad.
Why don't people who are really good at linux just work as system admins? The pay, at least here, is bigger on average than that of a software engineer.
Is there anything that keeps them from doing that kind of work? Is working as a sysadmin really that stressful?
>>55106968
What motherboard are you using?
What rom microcode are using?
What ram controller are you using?
What ide/sata/scsi controller are you using?
They sure as fuck are not libre or free.
Hypocrite
>proprietary
Yeah cause programs that are 20 years old are doing malicious things,despite their source code being freely browsed by everyone. Totally
>stallmanist being this deluded
Jesus Christ
Shit that name is tradmarked
fuck
I'm seriously considering switching over from arch to gentoo. Portage looks very interesting and I want to learn even more things. Should I do it?
>>55106933
>The program i install does what i tell program i to do.
It doesn't work that way. There are only two kinds of control that you have:
1) Remove the software from your computer
2) Operate the software according to how the programmer wrote the software
If you don't have access to the source code, then it's practically impossible for you to control the program. Your "control" over the program is limited to what they want to permit to you.
>>55107039
don't have time to get certs
>>55107067
Please do not confuse software and hardware. Issues that affect software are not always transferrable to hardware. Issues that affect hardware are not always transferrable to software.
>>55107073
Enjoy your limited hardware selection
>>55107039
Because you'll end up doing AD either way.
>>55107100
>lying on the internet
>>55107073
Try it, portage is nice. It does allt he compiling jobs for you and you just use USE flags for custom builds.
>>55107100
Why?
>>55107039
Because most places want at least an associates,so thats agood 2k+.
Most comptia courses are 600+
The actual test costs 200-400 depending on which test you are taking.
Gross apethy basically.
>>55107111
Pic related
>wifi card no basic drivers
>gfx
>no blob support
>>55107113
They have "views" on "correct" things that you can and cannot install easily within the scope of the system.
>>55107111
Yeah it sure looks nice. I mainly want to switch because I feel that arch kind of encourages bad practice
>>55106937
with ht turned on
>>55107169
with ht turned off
>>55107169
>>55107182
Thanks a bunch mate! I only have a non-HT two core CPU available so I couldn't test these myself and I wanted to make sure that my code will work in all cases.
>>55107194
n p
>>55107090
Nice deflecting, i saw that one comming
You have no control over the software that is being run on your motherboard.
Checkmate.
>>55107075
You can have propritary software that opens its source code to the world. This is very common. You can check what the program is doing for your self.
>programmer wrote the software
Why are you even using software that you did not write and compile your self? If you are truly this deludedly paranoid, why are you on the internet? Why are you not picketing ICANN? Users cannot manually change the protocalls, they have sole ownership of it.
So I'm moving to antergos from Windows 10, the only thing I really want to know is which package and where from (pacman or yaourt) should I get for my AMD GPU drivers, my GPU is a R7 260x and I plan to run wine to use photoshop and some games that don't have native linux support.
>>55107236
Wait for the new kernel 4.7
>>55107243
What?
STRAWPOLL IS A BOTNET
How free is your software?
0% - Windows or OS X
25% - Distro with nonfree software
50% - Distro with no nonfree software (excl vanilla kernel drivers)
75% - No nonfree software (à la Parabola, Trisquel)
100% - Stallman-tier freedom (à la libreboot thinkpad, lemote, etc)
>>55107243
w8 w8 w8 w8 I have a r7 370...
is it finally gonna get fixed?
>>55107223
You are confusing different issues. Software running on my computer should obey me. Software that runs on the network doesn't run on my computer. That network software has no effect on my freedom in my computer.
>>55107315
>should obey me
Microcode is not libre free. It is proprietary software
Deluded Hypocrite
>runs on the network
Then how are you posting this message?
Your computer is encapsulating your data,which you cannot control, how do you know it is indeed going to the place you have told it to go?
You have no control over the TCP/P stack, nor do you know if the protocol is working as it is told. It is not a libre protocol, it is violating your freedoms, ICANN accepts no patches.
>>55106434
No, it's not complex, it's stupid. Are you saying that all packages in the AUR are hosted in git repositories?
>>55106504
Neither is systemd. It is a collection of system managing utilities and an init system is just part of it.
>>55107449systemd is an init system used by some Linux distributions to bootstrap the user space and manage all processes subsequently, instead of the UNIX System V or Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) init systems. The name systemd adheres to the Unix convention of naming daemons by appending the letter d.[6] It is published as free and open-source software under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) version 2.1 or later.[5] One of systemd's main goals is to unify basic Linux configurations and service behaviors across all distributions.[7]
As of 2015, many Linux distributions have adopted systemd as their default init system.[8] The increasing adoption of systemd has been controversial, with critics arguing the software has violated the Unix philosophy by becoming increasingly complex, and that distributions have been forced to adopt it due to the dependency of various other software upon it, including, most notably, the GNOME 3 desktop environment.
[code[systemd is not just the name of the init daemon but also refers to the entire software bundle around it, which, in addition to the systemd init daemon, includes the daemons journald, logind and networkd, and many other low-level components.
>>55107489
Which is exactly what he wrote.
>>55107498systemd is an init system
>>55107512
I hope you don't use your fantastic knowledge of not finding sources to write anything outside this place.
>>55107243
>>55107247
>>55107236
Please someone answer this
>>55107571
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.htmlThis blog story is long, so even though I can only recommend reading the long story, here's the one sentence summary: we are experimenting with a new init system and it is fun.Furthermore, the event logic turns around all dependencies, from the feet onto their head. Instead of minimizing the amount of work (which is something that a good init system should focus on, as pointed out in the beginning of this blog story), it actually maximizes the amount of work to do during operations. Or in other
>>55107376
I can only control the packets that are created on my computer and sent from my. I can only control the packets that are received and processed by my computer. Networked computers are not my responsibility (except for when they happen to be my responsibility as those specific devices would be my devices). As far as I know, the packets sent from my computer can propagate with pixie dust and get processed by unicorn tears for all I care. All I care about is the software that runs on my computer. Microcode that does not change at all is as good as hardware. Microcode that is updated over time should be free software.
>>55107597
Systemd is an init system but that's just one function of systemd. Systemd also has many other functions. Systemd can be described as an OS services manager in its overall role within the system
how do i compile this iso? i want to try the literal meme distro
>>55107696
Systemd is an init system.
It owns PID1
It is an init system
>>55107708
As I said, systemd is more than a simple init program. Init is one function of systemd but it's by no means the only function that systemd does.
>>55107731
It is an init system. There is no more, nor less.
It is an init system first and foremost.
