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>>54631777
first for Debian Sid a best

>>54631813
do you have a svg of that?

>>54631856
I do not

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>>54631813

How do most people stay connected in the Linux community?

Sometimes while watching talks and things you hear stories or whatever that makes it seem like everyone knows each other quite well or has run-ins with each other. Is this just all happening on various isolated forums or on email lists or something? Or is there one or two particular places they all go?
Usenet?

>>54632160
there's quite a few mailinglists and communities for certain projects. sometimes there are also conferences like the debconf.

>>54630131
help :(

>>54632274
does this help?
https://wiki.debian.org/KVM#Performance_Tuning

>>54632283
I will give it a more thorough read but I don't think it'll have what I want.

>>54631813
not really no

>>54632160
>How do most people stay connected in the Linux community?
Remnants of the "ye olde days" when Linux was still a terrible mess very unavailable for the "common folk" that did not have the willpower necessary to install and run it. But that's my guess.

Programmers stay connected when they work on a foss project.

I'm only registered on the support forum of my distro, not even it's stack overflow (mainly because I absolutely despise how poorly organized it is).

Once in a few days I check the general tech support to see If there's anything that I could use my knowledge to help someone.

Otherwise I don't get involved in anything

holy fucking shit

>fresh netinstall debian testing cinnamon
>install steam by the books, install nvidia drivers
>restart computer
>"cinnamon crashed. want to try again?"

nothing is happening. i'm looking at my mouse pointer on my background picture. literally fucking what

Anyone running dota 2 port on linux? Did you guys encountered problems on it? What distro do you use?

>>54633666
>666
The power of satan compels me to answer your question.
I run it on Gentoo with an NVidia GTX 760 and it is absolutely smooth as can be. In fact, I have never once had the game crash on me at all even though it seemed like a lot of windows users get disconnected and crashes (not so much lately though)

Also it's worth noting that Dota2 might get Vulkan support within the coming weeks
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/vulkan-support-for-dota-2-to-come-next-week.7247

Which will hopefully improve performance even more so as Vulkan matures.

>>54633588
>install nvidia drivers by the books
Surely you mean by the documentation, right?

This helped me out when I was starting out a few months ago

https://linuxconfig.org/nvidia-geforce-driver-installation-on-debian-jessie-linux-8-64bit

Also I hope you didnt directly install a testing snapshot right? You installed stable first and then upgraded to testing yes?

Is there gui front end that just has a playlist window for mpv?
gnome-mpv worked fine but now it is core dumping,and the error it ouput has no search results

>>54632160
You don't. Its more toxic then mmo's

>>54633805
>vulkan confirmed

So I can run it on my toaster at 120+ fps? Sweet.

>>54633666
Dota has native support for steamos/linux...

Just finished installing Funtoo. wat do

>>54634000
quit being a faggot and install Gentoo

>>54634019
Owned, also, "friendly"

>>54633947
Only if your toaster is multi-threaded

>>54634000
Look at porn. Always gotta break a new install in.

My MicroSD card arrives today, so I'm about to extroot my OpenWRT router with USB GSM modem + 64 GB sdcard.

inb4
>bricked

>>54633588
you can always switch between ttys to fix stuff up with ctrl+alt+(f1-f7)

So... My Manjaro broke. Again. My bad habit of installing every update fucked me up. Something about systemd or kernel.
The thing is, I'm not going to have much time from now on, can't be assed to reinstalling distros and doing everything again.
What distro do you guys recommend? I'm using a Fedora minimal right now, but I don't think I'm liking DNF. Should I stick with it? What about Ubuntu Minimal? I don't use my computer for much, only to program and browse the web, my GPU is total shit (ATI Radeon HD 4200).
Also, is Openbox too hard to configure? Can I save my configuration to just load it up in case I need it again? Or even better, can I load someone's configuration to save my time to configure and set it all up?
Many thanks in advance.

>>54634168
Debian with LXDE would be easy. openbox is easy to configure imo. see these
https://dotfiles.github.io/
http://dotshare.it/category/wms/openbox/

I know this is pretty damn vague, but I just switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu.
Back on the Ubuntu Software Center, I've found a pretty good app, that would be very useful to me and I can't find it now.

>It supposed to ask you user customized questions about subjects, helping you to review them.
>It was also the name of some butterfy

I just can't recall the name. Does this rings a bell to anyone? Or anyone knows something similar? Or even if I find it on Ubuntu again, can Xubuntu run it?

>>54634215
Is it really too horrible to use Debian Stable? WIll I be able to at least do some normie stuff, like watching Netflix, playing games in Wine, etc?
Also, about that dotshare.it, can I just copy the conf files and not bother with it anymore?

>>54634241
debian stable is nice, you ca use backports with it if you want. but it's not bleeding edge and you will get memed by people on /g/ because you have a stable system.
you can copy them, modify them or upload new ones. it's free software after all.

>>54633901
smplayer can use mpv as a backend, just select it for the multimesia engine option on preferences->general tab

>>54634260
I see. I don't really mind bleeding edge, I just want it to werkz without much hassle. Should I go for stable for normal desktop use? Will I risk my system if I use some backport or go to testing?

>>54634237
>user customized questions about subjects
That is pretty vague, what was the purpose of the questions? flash cards (or spaced repitition, whatever)? anki is one and there is at least one other

>>54634288
with stable you basically risk nothing at all. that's why people put it on their servers. you can always compile stuff you need newer. checkinstall is also handy.
i would recommend going stable and if you see that you need newer software you can just upgrade to stable+backports, testing or unstable.
you need to know that in order to use non-free software on debian you need to enable the contrib and non-free repos but that can be done by just editing a text file.

>>54634288
>werk without any hassle
Stable
>werk without any hassle plus a few specific packages you want to be newer
Stable with backports
>werk with new packages, compromise between stability and new stuff, slightly delayed security updates. don't blindly say yes to all updates, see what it's telling you that it's going to do
Testing
>werk with newest packages, bleeding edge Debian but still reasonably stable (Ubuntu is based on this, to give you an idea of Debian's definition of stable / unstable), don't blindly say yes to all updates, see what it's telling you that it's going to do
Unstable

>>54634327
>>54634349
Guess I'll go with stable + backports.

Thanks for the help, guys. Brb gonna install Debian. Is it true that it sucks for some wireless cards? Mine is an AR9285. If I install it through cable, can I get the wireless working later?

>>54634307
Like you study medicine, and have to learn all the bones in the human body. You create a card which has the question/subject of "bones below the knee" you add the answer.
It essentially asks you regularly like a study partner.

Thanks, I've found Anki now, I'll just have to figure it out

>>54634349
>>54634327
>>54634288
>>54634386

Also what that other anon said. You're gonna have to enable the contrib and non-free repos for the "normie" stuff, that's literally just adding those two words to a text file.

Get a netinstall from here
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/bt-cd/

scroll down and click the torrent link at the bottom, burn it on an USB with Rufus on Windows. If your machine supports GPT/UEFI, burn it as GPT/UEFI. If not, MBR/Legacy

>Is it true that it sucks for some wireless cards
Nah. Specially if you're using this version of the netinstall that includes non-free firmware for convenience. Ideally, install it through cable since it's gonna download anything it needs like that. First thing in the install is check your wireless card, and if it's needing any extra drivers, it's gonna tell you exactly which ones. Write those down/take a photo and then you can either download them on another computer, slap em on a USB stick and put them in right there and then OR the more convenient way: just wait until everything is installed and install them directly from the terminal, since you already know the exact packages you need (because it tells you)

>>54634386
https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
>install with ethernet
>edit /etc/apt/sources.list to inclide contrib and non-free
>update
>sudo aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
alternatively use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/

>>54634386
Do keep in mind software in Stable can be months/years old and you're only gonna get security updates. Really the jump to Testing / Unstable has only been positive for me, but to each his own. If you don't give a shit about that sort of thing, then you're good on Stable with backports

>>54634409
>>54634425
Amost fucked shit up. Had the flash drive ready, thank goodness I waited for some (You)s. Guess I'll use the non free net inst.
Also, creating the bootable flash drive with the old "dd", is it ok?

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I use arch on a thinkpad x201 if this is relevant to the following description
I experience network issue (in some places only) after some upgrade.

None of the fix I found on forum help me troubleshooting my issue.

My first guess was that I have messed up some config so I reinstalled vanilla arch.
Same problem.

I installed antergos, which is supposed to "just work".
Still no internet.

Debian connects smoothly though. I have no idea what is happening.

I'm on the verge to going back to debian but I wish I would use arch longer.

>>54634437
I think so. If your computer has UEFI and it doesn't detect the bootable media as UEFI, then I guess you've got to do something else

If it detects it as UEFI when you try to boot from it , you're fine

>>54634437
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

cp debian.iso /dev/sdX && sync

X is the letter for your usb mass storage device, it has to be unmounted first and you only need sdX, not sdX#

>>54634451
This is only a preview of the troubles and annoyances that await you with arch, m8

Just go back to what werks if what you want to do is get some work done

>>54634452
Waiting for the new .iso download. Many thanks to everyone who helped. See ya.

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>>54634451
If you would like to post more information regarding your issue,i would gladly attempt to help you,but with vauge and no details,there is nothing we can do

>>54634466
>all issues are generic issues that will happen in any distro
Well mem'd chap

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>>54634498
He specifically said it worked fine with debian out of the box though

So if he wants to not even have a problem and be productive he can just use what works

Or, you know, spending time figuring out how to unfuck it in Arch/Antergos

>>54634466
Thing is I used arch smoothly for half a year on the same machine without problem. Then suddenly I have no idea what happen but arch and its derivative refuse to connect from home.

>>54634498
What kind of information would help troubleshoot the problem?

>>54634566
When installed debian 12 years ago, i couldnt mount an ntfs formatted drive.
So fedora is a shitty distro that has no use and you would do better to ignore it

Sound logic there faggot

>>54634579
wifi or ethernet
what program you used to setup your connection
output of ip addr
logs of any type

Are the following placebo?
irqbalance
schedtoold
prelink
preload
verynice

>>54634044
mine's multi-breaded

>>54634640
damnit, why didn't I think of that?

>>54634613
>WiFi or Ethernet
Both. I have a wired connection I can't connect to. Same issue when I try to connect via a WiFi router.
No problem connecting via Ethernet nor wifi elsewhere.

I use networkmanager. I tried to setup using nmtui.

When I try, before failing it says

 "Requesting a Wi-Fi network address forxxxxx"

I get a similar message when I try via Ethernet

Some guy on forum said disabling dhcpcd solved the problem but it does nothing for me.

Don't call it GNU/Linux. It gives Stallsham undue credit. He's done nothing but take credit for the work of others and has the audacity to call himself a Doctor when he couldn't even finish his Masters.

>wrote emacs
Contributed to guy steele's TECO macros, later cloned gosmacs, the actual first emacs for UNIX. If stallman wrote emacs, apple is the sole creator of webkit.
>wrote gcc and gdb
He wrote the C compiler initially, but the vast majority of development for other compilers and the C compiler has came from non-stallman sources.

And he hasn't programmed in years. Stallman is washed up, and his justifications for copyleft are horribly invalid nonsense that would make more sense if they were actual thinly veiled communism instead of selfish ramblings and a desire for a world that catered to his specific social class.

>>54634168

>My bad habit of installing every update fucked me up

You mean your habit of installing everything from the AUR.

>>54634825
>and his justifications for copyleft are horribly invalid nonsense
i'm kinda shocked that it took me so long that you are a corporate faggot that wants to use the code that people make for the FOSS community.

When should I be savings binaries I've build in

/usr/bin

, and when should I be saving them in

/usr/local/bin

?

The FHS says:
[quote]The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally.[/quote]
But it also says [quote]Local hierarchy (empty after main installation [/quote] so I'm thinking I shouldn't be saving things in here at all!

If not in

/usr/local/bin

should it be in

/usr/bin

or

/usr/sbin

.

>>54634872

>Stallmanite taking a long time to understand something

Colour me surprised...

>>54634730

>not posting the logs of network manager
>not posting the output of "ps aux" to see if multiple network managing programs are running

Sounds to me like PEBCAK.

>>54634872

Freetards are cancer.

>>54634898

Practically, it doesn't matter.

When you say "built", do you mean just using "make" and "make install" or do you mean proper packages that you created?
For packages I always make them install it into the /usr/bin directory. I never use /usr/local/bin, because I don't install anything with just "make install".

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>>54634926
>posts in a thread where freetards are the ones helping others

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>>54634825
>>54634926
you posted the same shit with different word arrangment yesterday like 5 fucking times so end your life right now please

and I can tell it's you because you appear to have learned the word "audacity" and derivatives and use them in every single one of your posts addressing Stallman whether regarding his use of honoris causa title or the naming controversy.

I know that due to Microsoft's recent cooperation with Canonical their new long term EEE roadmap includes massive shilling aimed at discrediting Stallman and his achievements but fuck off mate.

>>54634952

>Stallmanite unable to take any criticism of his fraud master

Kek. How's it feel to blindly follow a fraud who takes credit for the work of others?

>>54634939
Yeah, sometimes a couple of small tweaks but nothing to count as original code - basically just make and make install.

I want to keep a copy of the source anyway because it's useful for rolling back and migrating to different machines.

Do you always put your binaries in /usr/bin or do you occasionally symlink them from elsewhere (example, symlink /usr/bin/foo to a built versions from /usr/src/foo-0.3/foo and when you upgrade you just update the symlink to /usr/src/foo-0.5/foo)

>>54631777

Failing to install ubuntu/gnome 16.04. Seems like 16.04 has a bug where it didnt include the driver for the 980ti or something. I can even get the live cd to boot as it doesnt know what to do with my video card.

If I install 15.04 which has worked with my card before will I be able to add drivers or whatever I need and then upgrade into 16.04 without losing the drivers and therefore get around it?

Or would I be better off pulling the video card installing 16.04 off the cpu graphics, assuming that works, and then installing the 980ti drivers manually before putting the video card in? I have had trouble before when adding a video card to an already installed version of ubuntu.

>>54634825


I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU/Linux, is in fact, SystemD/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SystemD plus Linux. GNU/Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning SystemD system made useful by the SystemD corelibs, demon utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

>>54635000
Stallman never took credit for the kernel or any other tool not developed/co-developed by him so I have no fucking clue what you're on about

>>54635042

Read on a forum somewhere someone waited a good while after the error message popped up and it booted into the live cd anyways might do that if it works.

>>54634952

Hello my friend. The problem is he attempts to trick people into think he's a 'doctor', when he's not.

It's bad form to call yourself Dr. Stallman when you've only got a honorary degree. It makes him look desperate, jealous of those who have put the effort in and actually have the ability to gain the PhD, something he's obviously not capable of seeing as he couldn't even complete his Masters.

He's a sham and he's hurting the FSF. Please stop thank you very much.

Does Arch have a way to keep packages at a specific version, similar to apt's hold?

Mainly need this for some projects affected by stupid devs.

>>54634909
ps aux --> http://pastebin.com/Sankvzs2

I have no networkmanager log

>>54635104
Add it to the ignore package in pacman.conf

>>54635060

By trying to shoe-horn his negligible contribution into Linus's work he's damaging his work.

He should be thankful Linus saw fit to include him, but he's so pretentious he can't stand that Linus is now more successful.

Truly a shameful little man.

76th for just got into Arch and already discovered monospace is shit

Nimbus Oblique for life

>>54635179
inconsolatazil4

>>54635029

No symlinking.
You should definitely look into packaging your software. It's way neater.

>>54635112

>I have no networkmanager log

You do.
journalctl -u NetworkManager

>>54635132
Okay, so grab older versions from the archive first, then add them to the conf file. And I guess there's no pacman frontend that also does this? I just have to press = in aptitude,

Well, using some shell magic shouldn't be to hard. Wonder if it will cause problems if the package in question is GTK3

>Fucking flamewar starting shills out of nowhere after the thread has been going without problems for hours
are you guys organized?

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I would love to have a Linux/Windows dual-boot setup, however, my Asus G750JW laptop, for some reason, won't detect my SSD, and incidentally my Windows 7 installation, during any distro installation EXCEPTED a specific version of Ubuntu (12.04 if I remember correctly), allowing me to install it alongside Windows 7 with no problem whatsoever,

However, the downside on this specific version is that it doesn't detect my ethernet cable, thus I cannot run distro upgrades.

Every other newer versions, when tested in live CD mode, have out-of-the-box detection of my ethernet cable connection, so either i'm a faggot and didn't download the right ISO.

Note that I installed Windows 7 in Legacy BIOS mode in order to disable secureboot, because I read that UEFI mode makes installing a Linux distro harder or more annoying to have a dualboot setup.

I have searched endlessly to find the way to do it without having to reinstall Windows again (Kinda don't feel like doing it again for the 4th time on this SSD desu) or convert my SSD with my Windows 7 partition from MBR to UEFI (which looks kinda scarier to do than installing Gentoo).

Anyone else dealth with a similar problem?

>>54635240

>Wonder if it will cause problems if the package in question is GTK3
It won't work. Firefox from the top of my head will break if you try to use it with anything other than the GTK version it's compiled with (downgrading to 3.18 will give you an error and it won't start).

>incompetent developers
How is it affecting you? Are you creating a program which uses GTK for the GUI side?

>>54635240
No.
You compile/install the version you want,and then just open pacman.conf and add it to the ignorepkg line.
>front end
If you need a fucking front in to edit a single fucking line in a config file,you're going to have a horrible experiance with arch.

>gtk3
You will have to downgrade a fuck ton of other packages.
Use arc or vortex themes,they are 3.20 compliant.Other then that,not much you can do for gtk3

>>54635210
I will go and read about that. I've been putting it off because I use two different package managers but I kind of knew I would have to bite the bullet eventually.

In the meantime I will just stop using /usr/local.

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>>54635163
Hello my friend.
Stop samefagging, I was perfectly aware what you tried to convey with your first post as well as I'm perfectly aware that Stallman has a bachelor degree and all his doctorates are honoris causa.

>He's a sham and he's hurting the FSF.
Stallman started the ideology of free software as well as FSF.

>negligible contribution
you wished

I would also like to point out that the term GNU/Linux was invented by the user community and first traces of it appeared as early as 1992. Stallman initiallty proposed the term LiGNUx but it was awkward. One of the first distributions available was called Linux/GNU/X. Debian addresses their operating system as GNU/Linux since 1994.

Linux was the important missing piece of the puzzle to GNU.
No matter how hard you try, how much you close your eyes that fill with tears everytime someone says "GNU" and how much you pretend to not listen to those "filthy luddite freetards lelele where are muh videogames" will change that.

Thanks

>>54635296

>I use two different package managers

uw0t m8? Which distribution are you using?

>>54635313
I use CentOS on some older boxes and Ubuntu on the newer ones. I generally don't have to fuck with them very much but there are some packages (one inhouse package that) that I need to build myself because two of the generic image processing dependencies behave differently in each distro.

>>54631777
I'm on Arch and everytime I've pacman -Syu'd in the last week it says everything is up to date. I've tried running syyu and while it updates some stuff it always says there is nothing to do. Is something fucked?

>>54635357
Check your mirrors

>>54635112

no journal files were found

I was paranoid about ssd wear so I followed a guide. I guess it just put the log in the ram so I my ssd wouldnt wore off or something.

What are some useful maintenance tools for Gentoo, like portage.

>>54635301

>being this much of a Stallmanite

Linus says its shouldn't be called GNU/Linux, then it shouldn't be called GNU/Linux. Stallsham is just a sad little man.

I'm using Debian Testing on my desktop. Should I upgrade it to Sid?

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I tried to install mpd and ncmpcpp and it's not working, can anyone give me a good guide to install it? I already tried 2 ways but this thing doesn't work

>>54635472
Is your media dir correct?
Are your permissiosn correct?

>>54635472
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MPD

>>54635494
I'm not sure about the permissions but the media dir is fine, I think.

>>54635406

That's stupid.

>>54635236
journalctl -u NetworkManager -->http://pastebin.com/XSmKu1G5

>>54635434
>thinking the GNU/Linux Community can be guided by one central force
>thinking Linus has any authority outside of his kernel

>>54635472
post your configs

>>54634939
>>anybody

Where do you put software you've build yourself but you also run. Do you keep the src in `/home/user/{personal preference}` and then put the binaries in `/usr/sbin` only when you have a finished version? or do you package these before you install them as well?

For bonus points, does this change for software that isn't compiled (node projects, python scripts, etc)

>>54635627
You can put them where ever you want,just link them to your $path

>>54633588
seems like cinnamon may not play well with the nvidia drivers. Why not try a desktop system that isn't a special snowflake pretty princess instead?

>>54633910
Meh. Linux Questions is a nice place and stack overflow is pretty good sometimes.

>>54634168
I'm running disk encrypted ubuntu with autologin dwm right now, so you can literally do anything.

>>54635453
do you want to?

>>54635568

Try telling NetworkManager to use dhclient instead of its internal dhcp solution.

Edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and replace
dhcp=internal
with
dhcp=dhclient

Reboot or restart NM with systemctl.

>>54635648
I'm just interested in some best practice. I used to admin Windows machines so I'm still conscious of adding too many things to the path (Windows has [had?] a limit of 2k characters on the path).

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>>54634044

>>54635627

"Built myself" as in created it myself? For the simple Python stuff I create packages.
Again, having things packaged and tracked by your package manager has the benefit of keeping everything neat and tidy. You can upgrade or remove new versions without leaving anything behind.

>>54635747
just make a bin/ in your home dir and link it in your path,put the binaries/scripts you use outside of your package manager in there

>>54635262
Dual boot a shit. Pick a host and use the other in a VM like a man.

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unfriendly GNU/Linux thread...

>>54635710
Wow, it works!! Thank you so much!
Can you explain what was the problem and how you figured out how to solve it please? So that next time I face a similar issue I would be able to troubleshoot myself.

>>54635830
/ufglt/ ?

on a related note, how can I find this thread (/fglt/) in the catalog by searching for "flt" but not by searching for "fgt" ? How does this magic work?

>>54635296
pretty sure if you didn't install it via package menager it should go in /usr/local/, not that it will break anything otherwise, or that anyone would care, really, it's the thought that counts.

>>54635878
Yesterday I saw a program that automatically installs in /usr. Got triggered pretty hard.

>>54635453
the freeze is coming round december, after that you wont get feature updates for six months. I'm gonna put it off till then honestly.

>>54635839

Your logs showed problems with acquiring an IP address via DHCP.

May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <warn>  [1463671517.9087] dhcp4 (enp0s25): request timed out
May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <info>  [1463671517.9087] dhcp4 (enp0s25): state changed unknown -> timeout
May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <info>  [1463671517.9247] dhcp4 (enp0s25): canceled DHCP transaction
May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <info>  [1463671517.9247] dhcp4 (enp0s25): state changed timeout -> done
May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <info>  [1463671517.9253] device (enp0s25): state change: ip-config -> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable') [70 120 5]
May 20 00:25:17 Thinkpadx201 NetworkManager[430]: <info>  [1463671517.9256] manager: NetworkManager state is now DISCONNECTED

I don't know what funky setup you have, but NetworkManager works fine for me with its internal DHCP solution. It should be using dhclient by default on Arch, I don't know what you did to make it use its built-in dhcp client.

>>54631777
hi anons tryihng to clear space. and keeps telling me pamac-master has no meta data. so trying to delete package from cache but wont let me. says cant find pacakge?

>>54635472
you can run mpd in the foreground without daemonizing to see if it spits out any errors, check the man page

Hey guys,

So, I have this bug affecting me with my work: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115121 (TLDR: ethernet via usb type c not hot pluggable, with some other related issues.)

It's ok for me to work around by rebooting when I plug in, but I'd like to implement a long term solution. I can't change OS from ubuntu 14.04 LTS.

Does someone have a good reference I can use in order to go about patching my linux kernel in order to fix this bug? There's a patch posted in that bug report comment thread, but this is a process I'm not familiar with.

Or should I just wait for a fix to eventually make its way downstream to me?

>>54635938

>.zip

That doesn't look like an Arch package m8. What is that? Does it show up in "pacman -Qs pamac"? Either way, remove it manually f rom that directory.

>>54635627
I used to care about this, now I just symlink everything from where it is built in ~/projects/ to ~/bin/ because single user system FTW

>>54635977
hi it was a gui for arch, but couldnt get running. i goto the folder and manually delete but nothing happens? so now trying terminal

>>54635938

>cd /
>cd var
>cd cache
>cd pacman
>cd pkg

Nigga, just do cd /var/cache/pacman/pkg together with tab completion.

>>54635857
search for friendly you acronym fiend you

>>54635938
hi, are you new to arch? try without the .zip, also it was probably already uninstalled, if you wanyt to clear your package cache use pacman -Sc
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/pacman#Cleaning_the_package_cache

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>>54636000

>i goto the folder and manually delete but nothing happens?

Because you don't have permissions to delete it as your regular user via the file manager which is running as your user.

>it was a gui for arch

>>54636000
try with octopi from the aur m8

>>54635968
you should be able to run the kernel from newer ubuntu without any conflicts, what would the kernel package depend on? or you can grab the sources yourself, copy your config from boot and build it youself (there is a ubuntu wiki page about custom kernel somerwhere)

>>54636019
thought of trying that but just learning

>>54636033
yes noob
pacman -Sc
error: missing package metadata in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pamac-master.zip

>>54636041
i tried as root also

>>54636058
ok will try

>>54636119

>error: missing package metadata in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pamac-master.zip

Because it's not a package, but a random file you copied there manually.

>>54635922
I don't know either. I'll study further DHCP to try to get insight on what is happening.
Thank you once more for your help!

>>54636119
>error: missing package metadata in /var/cache/pacman/pkg/pamac-master.zip
I think that's not even a pacman package, try deleting manually only that file and try again

>>54635938
>>54635977
>>54636019
>>54636033
>>54636058
>>54636119
>>54636177

thank you. i logged in as root user to the desktop UI and was able navigate and delete. must of installed as root buy accident.

Did i mention just learning kek.

>>54636234
*buy/by

>>54636234
hi, it's not necessary to log as root, you can just open your file manager as root if you want or copy and paste the path to the file and use the rm command with sudo, remember to not use sudo for graphical applications but gksudo or kdesudo if possible, good luck.

>>54636110
I don't think a newer kernel will help, since this is still an open bug in that linux kernel report. I'll try and find that ubuntu wiki page about custom kernelizing.

>>54636277

>not use sudo for graphical applications but gksudo or kdesudo if possible

Why?

Fuck Stallman, he's nothing but a fat Jew dressed in borrowed robes.

>>54636363
wrong thread
>>54631777
what packages do i need to be able to use the wayland session on gnome 3.20?

>>54636301
>Why?
This prevents files in your home directory becoming owned by root.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/270006/why-should-users-never-use-normal-sudo-to-start-graphical-applications

>>54636397

Sounds wrong to me. Here's what I get when I start a graphical application, Xfce's terminal emulator as root with sudo:

>[root@masina-l dino]# echo $HOME
>/root

$HOME points to root's home directory and not mine. Nothing in my Home directory is touched by it. I use Geany as root often, started with sudo, to edit config files without any issues.

>>54631777
So I went on arch after a while, did pacman -Syu and rebooted

Now it doesn't read my keyboard

>>54636471
if it works fine for you then you can disregard the advice, i'm just sharing what i know

>>54635271
GTK+ is now handled by Gnome devs, so they just choose to fuck *everything* up in the most unpredictable ways. Theming support and everything looking like an abortion outside of Gnome Shell is just one example.

>>54635283
>If you need a fucking front in to edit a single fucking line in a config file,you're going to have a horrible experiance with arch.
As said, some shell magic should work, but I'm pampered by aptitude, coming from a Debian environment. Haven't found anything that holds a candle to it. The frontends I tested so far (octopi, some ncurses-based ones) are abysmal.

>>54636531

>GTK+ is now handled by Gnome devs
[citation needed]
No, wait, no citation needed because it was always handled by "those" people.

>so they just choose to fuck *everything* up in the most unpredictable ways. Theming support and everything looking like an abortion outside of Gnome Shell is just one example.
Adwaita, the default theme looks fine. So do a few themes which keep up with the GTK changes. Just because you're using a theme created in 2010, by someone who hasn't updated it since, doesn't mean GTK is at fault.

>>54636649
>Adwaita, the default theme looks fine
have you seen the gtk2 version?

>>54636785

"Looks fine" as in "works technically". Yes, I have and there are worse themes out there. Arc for example.

>>54636889
what's the problem with arc other than the dev not pushing it upstream?

Hi, just a small question: I am using Debian 16.04 Cinnamon and I really want a GUI style Software Center (like ubuntu's). Any advice as I have already tried google without much luck. Thanks.

>>54636947
>Debian 16.04 Cinnamon
what?
synaptic and gnome software should work everywhere.

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>>54636986
Something like pic related.

>>54635379
according to the wiki they are all "successfully syncing" mirrors.

>>54637016
gnome-software and synaptic are both what you are looking for. aptitude is better though.
there is no debian 16.04.

Should I get a bluray player for my linux machine? How is the open-source compatibility of bluray discs?

i just setup league of legends on arch with playonlinux, managed to succesfully play a game, but i got somewhere around 20 fps on lowest settings, while i had like 60-80fps with medium settings on windows. Is there anything i could do to improve perfomance? I saw somethreads where op claimed, that lol is even faster on arch than on windows, but he was using intel, and im with amd(6620g) .

>>54636649
>it was always handled by "those" people.
That Benjamin Otte faggot surely wasn't there from the beginning. And in the past, GTK+ at least had the semblance of being a cross-platform toolkit rather than the GNOME Toolkit.

>>54636649
>Adwaita, the default theme looks fine.
Within Gnome Shell. Anywhere else, it's not a default theme, it's a disgusting alien from another galaxy that wants to eat my unborn children.

>>54637229
i just got an upgrade for bluray stuff. i would test it but i don't even know why it is installed.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Blu-ray

>>54637385

>And in the past, GTK+ at least had the semblance of being a cross-platform toolkit rather than the GNOME Toolkit.
Why do you care about GTK being available on Windows or OS X, not to mention the BSDs?

>Within Gnome Shell. Anywhere else, it's not a default theme, it's a disgusting alien from another galaxy that wants to eat my unborn children.

I don't see how using GNOME shell makes a theme look good or fit in somewhere. It IS the default GTK theme. What do you mean "everywhere else"? You use GTK themes for GTK applications. There's no "everywhere else".

>>54631777
Newfag here learning about blackarch. I don't have much space to work with. so was wondering what anons suggest as good categories to start with.

also does "defensive" help me harden my arch?

>>54637434
The point is not about being available on different platforms, but on being a good neighbor with applications native to an environment. When on the Windows shell, applications should look and behave like Windows applications (though MS doesn't even manage to do this with their own crap). Likewise with OS X's Aqua, KDE or LXDE.

But GTK+ doesn't do that, and even actively breaks stuff like oxygen-gtk or breeze-gtk.

>>54631777
Does Minix 3 count?

>>54637634
How stable is it?

>>54637673
So stable that it doesn't have a DE.

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What's with this weird cutting off of text that happens when I'm scrolling through menus? It goes back to normal if I keep scrolling, but it's kind of annoying

>>54637634
go away tannenbaum

>>54637691
It's an overflow bug.

>>54637618

>actively breaks stuff like oxygen-gtk or breeze-gtk

That is not GTK's fault, that's the theme maintainers fault. I don't know why you need an icon set to be "GTK compatible". I installed the normal Breeze icons and they work in GTK applications.

>being available on different platforms, but on being a good neighbor with applications native to an environment.
There is no such thing on Linux. There is no "native environment".

how do i check which video card drivers are curently in use?

>>54636531
There is no "shell magic" to be had
Unless you want to sed awk cat for some asinine reason when you just need to type 4 letters

>>54637898
>gtk fault
You have 6 instances of calls
1 2 3 4 5 6
They create 2 new calls
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
This isnt how they do it
1 2 3 7 4 5 8 6
This is how they do it,then insert it in the middle of the list and now everything has to be changed to supplement this new format. So yeah its their fault.

>>54637956
grep glxinfo for your video card vendor. eg

 glxinfo | grep NVIDIA 

if you have a nvidia card

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Caledonia?content=142424
Did everything to do with this theme get deleted or something? Every download link is 404'd

Which distro will give me :

- no command-line stuff, ever, all GUI

- a Windows Explorer type file system

>>54638276
Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux Mint, Linux Lite, even Debian these days.

>>54638276
Probably Mint or ZorinOS

>>54638276
you are the perfect candidate for a Desktop Environment! Ignore all the talk about Arch Linux and Window Managers, what you need is either
-Gnome, or
-KDE
check out screenshots, KDE is probably a lot more familiar to a windows user

as for a distro, that doesn't matter that much, as long as your hardware works. Try Ubuntu (Ubuntu Gnome or Kubuntu).

>>54634952
>Microsoft's recent cooperation with Canonical
wut?

What are some useful bash scripts?
This one extracts any archive
What are your bash scripts

extract () {
  if [ -f "$1" ]; then
    case $1 in
      *.tar.bz2) tar xjf $1    ;;
      *.tar.gz)  tar xzf $1    ;;
      *.bz2)     bunzip2 $1    ;;
      *.rar)     unrar x $1    ;;
      *.gz)      gunzip $1     ;;
      *.tar)     tar xf $1     ;;
      *.tbz2)    tar xjf $1    ;;
      *.tgz)     tar xzf $1    ;;
      *.zip)     unzip $1      ;;
      *.Z)       uncompress $1 ;;
      *.7z)      7z x $1       ;;
      *)         echo "'$1' cannot be extracted via extract" ;;
    esac
  else
    echo "'$1' is not a valid file"
  fi
}

>>54638319
>>54638340
>>54638345
Thank you guys!

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My gnome-software still doesn't work on Ubuntu 16.04, when will the problem be solved by Canonical/Gnome?
>/usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so

>>54638276
might as well just stick to windows then

>>54638881
I was under the impression that it was abandoned?
Use synaptic package manager.

>>54638695
Or just use 7z x *.*

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Is there a good FOSS alternative to f.lux? I used it on Windows and didn't even realize until now that it's proprietary

>>54639019
redshift

based - using redshift right now

>>54638907
Ubuntu store was abandoned. It was replaced by gnome-software.

>>54637956

lspci -v

>>54636041
>pama
kek, yep just realized what pamac was for... shit gotta reinstall

I'm using gnome and want to get rid of all the games.
For example if I wanted to remove minesweeper and all the packages that where installed along with it:

apt-get purge --auto-remove gnome-mines

it wants to remove the following packages:
gnome, gnome-games and gnome mines

Will this fuck my DE up? I'm not sure, if I want to remove the gnome package, it sounds kinda important. Help pls

>>54640058
I don't have much experience with apt, but gnome should be a metapackage than can be removed. Does apt tell you the size of it?

>>54640128
I took a look into synaptic and it is indeed a metapackage, 31kB big.

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>>54640058
>>54640190
>it wants to remove the following packages:
>gnome, gnome-games and gnome mines

It will remove just fine but the next time you do autoremove it will trash half of your installation.

t. experience

>b-b-b-b-but APT works fine just get gud and learn to read
debianfags on suicide watch

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>>54631777
Why is it that when uploading files. some programs let me see thumbnails and others don't this is the difference between discorded and imgur on Firefox

>>54640058
dont do it man

while true
do 
    lscpu | grep "CPU MHz"
    sensors | egrep "GPU Temp|Core 0|Core 2"
    sleep 1
    clear
done

I wrote this to have a little performance monitor in a shell. Is it stupid? Better way?

>>54640250
That's what I thought. I just want to keep my package count small and remove all the unused ones.

>>54640293
Maybe I'll just remove the gnome-games package and leave it at that. Fucking gnome, shit is bloated as fuck.

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hi i forgot to ask. can i delete all these packages now that they are installed?

packages are in var/cache/pacman/pkg/
>filename.tr.gz

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>>54640361
>>54640466
>muh bloat
kys

>>54640534
>using kys
you realize that you have to be over 18 to use 4chan

How can I change dmenu font permanently? What's the name of the file that has this information and where is it? If I type in xterm "dmenu_run -fn 'Terminus:size=10'" it will work but only this one time.

I'm using spectrwm as WM and I tried to edit this info in my .spectrwm.conf but it didn't work.

>>54640595
you have to add a patch to use other fonts

>>54640534
>>54640585

is that a yes i can delete them?

>>54640655
A patch? I've found some to download on suckless.org but there's none to the version of dmenu I'm using. I read somewhere when looking for solutions that dmenu 4.6-1 (version I have) has native support any font through XFT.

Isn't there a file called "dmenu.conf" somewhere so I can edit and get it to work the way I want?

>>54641031
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dmenu#Fonts

>>54637634
doesn't matter, how is it? which parts of GNU already run on it? is tannenbaum planning on staying with a BSD license?

>>54640058
install gnome-core, remove other gnome metapackages. retards like o blame this on apt.

>>54640277
because some of them use GTK2 and some GTK3.
i recommend using a file manager and dragging them to wherever you want to upload them.

Is Linux good for gaming? I really don't know much about Linux at all, but from what I've seen on this board, it looks to be a really good OS, just hard to use.

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Been using Mint for around a year now, but after going through The Linux Command Line, I'd like to learn more about Linux in general.

I feel like changing distro, what's a good next step after Mint that will allow me to learn a bit more about how Linux works?

>>54641049
I guess I got it. Thank you for effort trying to help me.

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>>54641422
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>54641515
I will never get tired of recommending Fedora. It has enough convenience for unexperienced or just lazy users while still also being aimed at developers and more experienced users.
The best thing about distros like Fedora oder Debian (my second recommendation) is that they don't fuck up naming conventions, change colorschemes beyond recognition or alter upstream software too much, so anything you learn how to do on those distros is applicable everywhere else.
I can also recommend the "Linux Fundamentals" article series on the Funtoo website

>>54641422
If your primary use of computers is gaming then no. But keep an eye on it every once in a while and maybe in the future you can safely switch and still play all your games.

It is really good as a general OS though. So if you're interested in the details of your computing environment, being more efficient, using less resources, or customizing things, and only play a few games no the side then yes Linux is a pretty good choice already.

The gaming side of Linux has only started to pick up real momentum in the last couple of years, so it still has a long way to go before it should be recommended to people who identify themselves as "gamers", in my opinion.

>>54641573
Thanks for clearing that up, I see people use GNU/Linux and Linux and I just assumed Linux was shorthand for GNU/Linux.

>>54641624
You just responded to copypasta.

Only the most autistic of our userbase actually cares about that. Just call it Linux.

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>>54641599
Yeah Fedora it's fucking great. The biggest company in the open source fied behind is back, the best package manager and excellent documentation.

>>54641515
Gentoo. Not even trolling: follow the manual and understand what you are doing and you will learn a lot about linux.

>Install Debian
>Earliest driver that's compatible with my GPU isn't available
>Decide to switch to something else instead of upgrading
>Fedora
>Setting everything up to work fine
>Eventually get tired of running into problems and only finding mentions of it on Arch forums
Thinking of trying Arch, but what does /g/ suggest

>>54641714
I've been perfectly happy on *buntu. I'd imagine you would be as well, given the
>tired of running into problems
part.

Just curious, what GPU were you having driver issues with?

>>54641753
GTX 970

>>54641698
I can confirm this.

Give it a try if you're not afraid to fail a few times. I failed about 3 times before I got a fully functional gentoo installation, but I can say for sure that in the 8 years I've been using Linux I've never learned more about it than I have through installing gentoo.

Another interesting side-effect of using gentoo (at least in my opinion) is I stopped feeling like I was a "X distro user" and more like I was just a "linux user". Because you're not as confined by your package manager, or any pre-installed software, in how you choose to set your system up.

I use ubuntu-server for my vps' and deployments at work, but for some reason I have some aversion to using it at home for my desktop.
(2x Xeon, 64gb, overkill-workstation)

Is it really as outdated as people meme?
(Come to think of it I use Macbooks for work/home that are running old software. Such as the recent git issue.)

Am I being stupid for thinking Ubuntu is Server only? I'm just convinced that it's not good for home/dev use.

>>54641840
I would think that Ubuntu Server is server only.
Fortunately, there is also Ubuntu Desktop.

This seems like either a very odd question or a communication error.

>>54641840
it's fine for desktop use, not cutting edge but some people don't want that.

a little handholdy, but you can use it as any other distro and do things just as well.

ppas are kinda a mess, but i don't need much stuff outside of the repos so i'm ok with them, snaps look promising, but don't really have much use until mir comes out.

>>54641777
I basically LFS without the tedious manual download and compiling.

>>54641686
>fedora
>best package manager
This is quite comical my dear friend.

>>54641904
But it is.

>>54641714
Everything falls back to arch wiki and forums.Thats how i found out about it and migrated over to it 7 years ago.
Pretty much everything werx in arch,lncluding broadcom

Just figure out what you want before you get past base install,so you can just boot and be in your wm and get going

>>54641918
Enjoy 50 deps for installing a 5mb program

>>54641952
In my experience with Arch it just isn't for everyone. Had a beautifully simple setup with i3 and dmenu. 3x faster boot time than before, less cpu usage, wonderful.
But then I realized: no firewall, no SELinux (not that it's necessary) and not even automatic suspend when closing my laptop lid.
For some I guess it's paradise to have nothing preconfigured, but it wasn't ideal for me. But I can see the appeal.
>>54641972
The only downside of yum/dnf that I see is that it's noticeably slower than apt and pacman. I've never heard that it somehow makes programs have more dependencies. How would that even be possible?
I like the syntax of dnf: install & remove do exactly the opposite of each other, while apt-get install & remove don't.
Also dnf has the cleanest text presentation of all package managers that I've seen

This thread is like Christians or Scientologists trying to absorb people into their cult.

>>54642133
Plz dont summon the stallmanist :(

>>54641972
Are you a litteral tard?

>>54641972
This is Linux in a nutshell.

Nobody here remembers what it was like to use Linux before advanced package managers. Fucking dependency hell. They only hid how shitty it is, not improved it.

>>54642133
What is this even in reference to?

>>54642177
But surely it's better to try and solve this problem than it is to do what windows does for example where you have 1000+ redundant libraries

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After a little bit of research i manage to instll mpd and ncmpcpp, and everything works except the visualizer which seems a little bit fucked, how can I fix it?

what are you favourite fun terminal commands
mine are
lolcat
toilet
figlet
cowsay

>>54641422
It's not hard to use. Actually there were discussion on Microsoft headquarters in the years 1999 - 2000 talking about linux and they were woried that linux can actually be good for desktop users, and it is actually easy to learn and use when coming from windows.

Now if we talk about gaming it's a bit too difficult. Linux is better than windows in a lot of ways and even for gaming. Some developers that create good ports of their games on linux could see 20% improvement on their linux system with the same machine. Again those aren't AAA titles, but it's still a good thing.

The performances will keep improving on the linux system because vulkan is coming, because AMD and NVidia start to contribute a lot to the linux kernel, start releasing good drivers....
I wouldn't be surprised to see AAA titles with much better performances in the future (like a year or two).

You'll have to worry about availability of games on linux rather than its performances. Devs don't want to port their games because linux market share is 1%.

Personally I'm tired of dual-booting so I stopped buying games that aren't available on linux and I don't have any trouble with gaming on linux.

>>54641637
>Just call it Linux.
Hello tech illiterate.

>>54641515
as it was said, install gentoo. But you can also go with arch linux or LFS (maybe not LFS it takes too much time and you might not want to go that deep).

Here's a link that regroup a lot of old stuff about linux.
http://tldp.org/guides.html
After discovering this website I was like "damn, if only I knew this stuff existed!"
Explanation about the file system hierarchy and the linux dictionary is awesome. Other stuff are maybe a bit too advanced sometimes for a new user, but you can always read it

>>54642177
see >>54641573

>>54642351
Have you tried setting negative values?

>>54642439
I don't think so, how do i do that?

>>54642376
vrms

>>54641714
On my desktop I tried ubuntu, fedora and debian. None of those distributions were good for me. Ubuntu was just crashing every 5 minutes, and a lot of things weren't working properly. Debian was just running like shit (both stable and testing), and fedora was the only one to give me a nice user experience despite gnome that I hate, but you can easily move to another DE.
Tired of that I just switched to archlinux and I just like it. Everything werks as I want, I never had to fix a thing of a long time now.

>>54642415
Hello

>>54642351
>>54642439
Is there any way to get visualization like this (or even through the graphical video player, but preferably in the terminal) with just mpv by itself?