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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
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ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
>>54090959
Finally shipped from ebay.
Battery only holds to ~77% but otherwise looks and feels great.
Whoops forgot image
>>54089266
I thought you also shouldn't have battery at 100% plugged in all the time, because higher temperature damages the cells. That is why I unplug when reach 100% and I've been putting to charge at 10% because that is when Windows warned about low battery
>>54088063
what reposted meme? I'm the only person who's been posting about it when I lurk the general
>>54090959
200 bucks worth it for a T400 with libreboot and FOSS compatible wireless card installed?
>“NO HARD DRIVE NO POWER ADAPTER NO OPERATING SYUSTEM”
This is really hard
>>54093128
>Not Included: Hard drive and caddy, Battery, AC adapter, manual, software, OS or drivers.
;_;
question for you x61 tablet users on linux with opengl:
what does the output ofglxinfosay about yourOpenGL renderer stringandOpenGL version string?
almost all x61t's at http://linux-hardware.org/index.php?view=computers&type=notebook&vendor=Lenovo haveOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GMandOpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.5.3.
my mesa in gentoo only works with i915 drivers but my chipset supports i965 :(
are there any batteries for the thinkpad x220 tablet that are flush with the laptop and don't bulge out in the rear?
>>54093503
You don't like your thinkfu with a little junk in the trunk? Are you some kind of fag?
You want a 3-cell (like 0A36316) if you want it to fit flush.
why the fuck are they so expensive
>>54093660
>>54093148
>>54093128
I agree with you guys, but as a recycler/reseller if I'm gonna put all that shit on there I'm gonna be selling it for the maximum.
Which reminds me about how boss wants to open up a computer shop, the other guy who manages me doesn't like the idea of putting linux on our desolate $100 machines, but he's being a bitch because he doesn't like google sheets and wants M$ word (yet he is the type who doesn't want to buy it for his own machine.)
>>54092825
Eh, they are worth about $140 max without freetard work being done. Depends if you want to pay extra for your linux4u community to make it special.
>was supposed to install linux on 4 thinkpads this week, fix the laserdisc player and clone Windows 98/2000 on the 380Z I have
>just gonna buy a six pack and maybe do one of those things
>>54093660
Maybe because new OEM batteries don't depreciate like used computer equipment. The cost of batteries is always a very slow decline. Just hope to get lucky to buy OEM Refurb'd batteries from $35 and up.
Currently have an T520, but want something smaller to carry around for school. Anyone here familiar with the X1 Carbon, how does it compare to the X260? What can and can't be upgraded? So far all I know is the Ram is soldered and the keyboard doesn't look removable for replacement. Would have considered an X220, but the resolution on those are horrid.
I grabbed a new 9 cell battery for my X220 the other day, the 29++ one.
Genuine Lenovo, never used, still in original sealed packaging.
It arrived today, all as expected.
Total cost including shipping was £28, is that about right?
>>54091848
sweet libreboot!
i kinda want to get a gentoo sticker for my x220
http://www.unixstickers.com/stickers/linux_os_distribution_stickers/gentoo-linux-os-badge-sticker
Are the amazon t420 batteries trustworthy and worth?
>>54094040
That site is where I got my GNU/Linux sticker.
>>54094040
where's the 'powered by linux' stickers? i can't find them
>>54093990
That's not a bad price, where'd you get it from?
Do you know the cell manufacturer? How's the capacity?
>>54094348
Ebay. £25 was the 'buy it now' price, with the extra three for delivery.
The capacity looks to be solid. Between 8 and 10 hours seems to be the prediction, i'm still on 50% from my first charge yesterday.
How can I check who manufactured it? I have the box with various serial numbers and the leaflet here with me.
>>54093937
>X1C3 owner reporting
I had one for three months, a refurb with i5-5200u 4K IPS, 8GB RAM (I think?, maybe 4GB), and 128GB HDD that I upgraded to 256GB.
The machine lasted a LONG time on battery, I did get up to 8 hours of battery life while running Linux Mint.
Having an IPS ThinkPad was great, I had to zoom in on webpages but I didn't care, krita and photoshop worked fine on it.
The soldiered RAM can be a problem, as RAM can fail from time to time, for me, it was a bit too flimsy to use, I'd say it was too thin, I didn't like how thin it was. Now in contrast its performance wasn't great at all, I had a T430 and it kicked butt when it came to computing and gaming, the slim HSF and fan just can't do it.
Not sure what OS you are going to use but I am a big fan of the ChromeBook Pixel, the build quality is great on that thing, now I am not sure how well the Pixel will be long term against the X1C but definately the lid on the pixel feels more stiffer and stronger to me, rather than the wedge at the top of the screen gives it too much flex imo. Also the keyboard feel a shit... because its backlit I think.
I've yet to get an X260 but after owning an T440p I don't think the new design is that bad, def more tougher than the X1C, yet somehow the T440p sucked at gaming w/ W8.1 Pro compared to my T430s running linux... yeah. However it did feel I got like 6 hours of battery life on the T440p.
Whats your budget, what do you need it for and what would you like for it to do?
>>54092825
I paid $100 for a T400 with 3GB of RAM and a mechanical hard drive.
After bumping up to 6GB and throwing in a cheap SSD I was only at like $150 spent.
You can flash libreboot yourself if you really wanted to (or find your nearest LUG and offer to buy one of the members a 12 pack if they do it for you), and a new wireless card is like $10.
>>54090959
What do I use to wipe my ThinkPad clean, keyboard and all, without damaging anything, especially the letters on the keys and the stickers?
>>54095461
3:1 70%+ isopropyl alcohol to water
How was your weekend /g/?
>>54095461
Non ammonia based glass cleaner
You could also remove the keyboard and bathe it in water if you want to get a deeper clean. Just let it dry out a few days.
I bought a refurb T420 2 weeks ago, and I have since done some cool modifications.
Took out the spinning HDD and put in a 500gb VNAND 850 EVO
Took out the disk drive and put another 250 gb Kingston SSD with an adaptor. That drive runs windows, the 850 EVO runs my Mint/Ubuntu.
Added 2 more USB 3.0 slots
Put in 8 GB of some HIGH QUALITY RAM, didn't skimp out on that shit
Any other mods that you guys think I should do?
>>54095491
kek, I was hoping for something like that. I'm interning at a molecular biology lab and they have all sorts of reagents here that could be useful. Just used some isopropanol last week. My ThinkPad is in for a nice wash.
>>54095519
How would I know its dried out completely? Would it be fine to plug in once the connector cable is dried, since the keyboard can drain itself out?
>>54095610
The SSD in the caddy won't run at its top speeds cause of the connector (SATA 2 I think). Keep that one for media and shit.
You could mod the screen if you want.
>>54093854
more pics of dinoc touchpad pls
>>54095610
max out all the optional specs, add all the options.
bluetooth adapter
ultimate N wifi card
fingerprint reader
1600x900 display
could add nvs4200 if you don't have it
>>54090959
Anybody tried or have the T460 yet?
>>54095710
>>54095610
FYI, you can probably add the Bluetooth 4.0 daughter card that the X230 and beyond use, even if the T420 doesn't officially support it.
You may get better battery life if you go with BT 4.0 over BT 3.0, and it doesn't really break the bank (got me a BT 4.0 on ebay for less than $12, although I also got a BT 3.0 for less than $4 a long time ago)
P.S. does your USB 3.0 expresscard work without any problems on windows? cause mine is giving me problems
How come none of the skylake thinkpads are viable? It's either DDR3L, single DIMM or no NVME.
>>54095764
Yeah, my bluetooth 3.0 card has some connectivity issues.
>>54095654
two days is fine, at least not in a cold environment.
I would use a blow dryer to heat it up too, just in case.
>>54095610
M14x LCD, doubt the IPS mod chip is viable or available anymore.
drop a quadcore i7 in that thing. ;)
>>54095688
Zzzzz
>>54095710
HD3000 performance isn't much of a difference.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=26&cmp%5B%5D=117
>>54095824
Since you mention it, I've found that automatically connecting my bluetooth headphones causes desyncing problems on playback.
The workaround to this is to manually connect them each time by setting the headphones in "pairing mode" (i.e. don't let it auto connect to anything no matter what), opening playback devices in Windows, right clicking the bluetooth device and click connect.
You may need to uninstall all the bluetooth drivers first before it works at all if you want to try this.
>>54091268
77% isn't so bad, is it a 3, 6 or 9 cell?
Good luck if they are Sony Cells :P
Had a T420, 430, 440 and 450s. Just got an EliteBook 840 G3. HP got rid of the tool-less back cover on the G3 model which was quite upsetting. The build isn't as nice as my Lenovo products and the HP BIOS preboot checks take forever regardless of UEFI or legacy booting. Additionally it's missing the power management functions my previous ThinkPads had.
But I managed to get a top trim model (i7 6600u, 16GB RAM, 256GB PCIE SSD, 2560 x 1440 IPS display, etc) with a dock for about $1300. Far less than I could have gotten an equivalent ThinkPad. And the hardware level LAN/WLAN switching is nice... I wish Lenovo did that. Two DIMM slots, M.2 NVME and a 2.5" SATA are also good. Not sure if you can use the 2.5" while M.2 is populated though.
T420 owners, what bluray drive do you use? how do you like it?
>>54095610
quad core i7 because the t420 is socketed
Anyone running a boot-disk mSATA SSD and a data-disk hard drive in the x230 tablet?
>>54096124
I recently went from a T420 (my first thinkpad) to a T430. I saw a few T440's too and loved the look but the touchpad was atrocious. Would upgrading to a T450 be a good choice 1-2 years down the line?
>>54095215
Don't really have a budget, was thinking of copping this and swapping out the ssd for a bigger one myself. Mostly just want to have something more portable for school, use Photoshop, watch my Chinese cartoons,etc Don't really think I need the i7, however I wanted the 16gb of ram for "future proofing". Was initially looking at the x260, but said fuck it why not go thinner.
>>54096140
>2016
>optical drive
>>54096205
swap the T440 touchpad with the T450 one and call it a day
>>54096225
>BUYING NEW
No.
>>54095683
SATA 2 still gives you about 350GB/s, which is still an astronomical improvement over any hard drive, it's fine to use IMO, I boot Win10 off of it and it's like 4 seconds after post until I'm at the desktop
>>54096225
If you have the cash do it but you could halve what you pay and get ~almost~ as good a machine on ebay or craigslist. Either way you'll probably be more than satifsifed X1 carbons are the SHIT don't let poorfags dissuade you from that
>>54096225
I saw an X1C at a shop and didn't like the build quality. It didn't feel robust enough. An X260 would be small and light enough for an 8 year old.
>>54096252
Any reason to upgrade from a T430 to a 440? I wanted USB3.0 and a 1600x900 screen, so I went for a T430 from my T420. I got it in mint condition too, with a perfect battery.
I'd rather wait a year or two and get the T450 rather than buy the 440 now, unless theres a big advantage.
>>54096225
You could just go for a C3 for a lot less money and only marginally worse performance
>>54096293
The screen is a huge improvement. But between the 440 and 450 there's really not much difference besides a marginally faster processor and a better touchpad (which you can drop in a 440 anyways)
>>54096205
Maybe. The touchpad is better on the T450 than on the T440 simply because of the pointing stick mouse buttons. But I think it can be retrofitted to the T440.
With that being said, I never really adjusted to the whole click pad thing. Part of the reason why I even started looking at EliteBooks in the first place.
If you're an every few years kinda guy, I would skip the T440/50. They were my least favorite. Battery life was super questionable too on both models.
![csm_Thinkpad_P70_Close_up_of_keyboard_f58cf5b992[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kYeWZOb.jpg "csm_Thinkpad_P70_Close_up_of_keyboard_f58cf5b992[1].jpg")
>>54096306
Hopefully the t470 or whatever's next will have touchpad buttons back, the P70 does
>>54096331
>a middle click button
Holy shit, for the first time in years, Lenovo actually improved something.
>>54096301
I'm satisfied with a 1600x900 so far, except that it catches stains too easily. I'll do as >>54096306 said and maybe make my T430 last 3-4 years or more and skip the 440 and 450.
>>54096306
How long till the T460 is $300-400 used? I think I'll waste my money on upgrading smartphones in the meantime.
>>54096331
trackpad is way too wide. Yuck
>>54096365
It's not the resolution that's what makes it better so much as it's an IPS so it has great viewing angle.
>>54096403
Why do viewing angles matter so much?
>>54096416
Just one less thing to worry about. I really hate watching movies on my t420, I have to tilt the screen down to actually see it well, but when I do that the black level is fucked.
>>54096365
Not quite sure how long... I would assume about a year until the bargains start. These business laptops depreciate fast.
To demonstrate you're making the right choice, I liked the T430 so much, I still have my T430 (with 1600x900 display, extended battery and dedicated graphics). Here it is next to my EliteBook 840 G3.
>>54096416
It's really not so much viewing angles as it is consistent vivid colors - that you can just happen to see regardless of how you orient your screen.
>>54096446
The screen overall is much more vivid too, even compared to the TN's optimal viewing angle
Here's another comparison of the EliteBook 840 G3 and the T430.
>>54096293
How much worse(or better) was the chiclet keyboard on the T430 compared to the T420?
>>54096465
It was an adjustment but I ended up liking the Chiclet keyboard after some time with it.
>>54096465
I still prefer the old one a lot more but the new one isn't as bad as you'd be led to believe. The keys are curved inward so they don't feel like other chiclet keyboards.
I wish the layout was different though. I miss the menu key. I do excel shit a lot and it came in handy.
>>54096293
I agree, I was sadly dissapointed with the build quality.
I really liked the T430, even more than the T420 despite it having chicklet keys, so when I had the X1C3 with the backlit keys, it just didn't feel the same.
However, the T430s I daily, I did notice that the keyboard feel wasn't as awesome on the T430, but I think its because its slimmer which makes the keyboard a bit lower on the hands. I guess its OCD but I did find the slightly thicker chassis R61 way better to type on than the T61, T60 and T400, but the X300 blows it out the park.
Anywho, when I got the backlit keys, they are smooth and not textured, and I did feel a slight bit of difference on them too... as awesome it is having a 12GB RAM 128GB SSD, 1080p 98% adobe RGB panel on my machine... build quality isn't just the same like old machine
Anywho.
I doub't you need the i7, I would think the X260 would have better performance since i presume it has a better cooling HSF.
Also I paid $900 for my X1C3, 3 months later I had to sell it to buy a car since my civic got stolen. I sold it for $675, even after upgrading the HDD to 256GB...
Unless its extremely spotless, a laptop depreciates 20% to 40% after a months of use... at least in the eBay world it does.
This P70 has been on eBay for a few weeks, but people are weary about buying it, despite being a good deal (to me at least)
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/252338139714
What's the best TP for a k?
Importance: size/portability , decent battery life
Planning on running Xubuntu on it to do schoolwork, coding, browsing
>>54096293
I couldn't comment on your upgrading because muh tangent.
Anywho, I got a T440p to try the IPS panel upgrade from laptopscreen.com. I did like it, though its viewing angles weren't as awesome as my T430s. T440s can be upgraded as well, T440 can not. I did notice some problems with running windows 8.1, it seemed to be slower... not sure why, perhaps because of cooling? because its heatsink wasn't the greatest (single pipe for the integrated gpu model I used).
Also the T450 can be IPS swapped as well, which makes it IMO better than the T440, plus you don't even have to worry about swapping the touchpad.
>>54096331
I want one so bad... ugh
>>54096442
How are them speakers on the HP?
I've notice a sub does make a difference on a laptop... heheh
>>54096535
W550s, P50 (if lucky), W541, T460, X1C4? if muh slimness.
>>54096436
I have relatively low standards since I played games and watched movies on my first laptop, an Inspiron with a 1366 screen. I like the T430's screen with 1600 now and can always watch movies on my fullHD tv if I need to.
>>54096442
I like my T430 a lot too and I'll probably use it for years to come. Its just that I have this fucking bug that makes me want all the new stuff too.
>>54096446
It gets a little bothersome when I go from sitting to lying down and I have to adjust the screen, but its not that big a deal. I guess the colors are a bit dull, even compared to my Nexus 6, but I have low standards.
>>54096465
I loved the keyboard on the T420, but the chiclet isn't the issue with the T430. It's great and I can type just as fast. It's the layout (top right corner, delete insert keys etc.) thats a bitch. Like Louis Rossman said, there are no cues to let you differentiate between the different keys. Same with the function keys. I have to look for them when I wanna use them.
>>54096502
I like the solid builds of the thinkpads better too. Feels better overall, even when carrying as it fits better in your hand and doesn't feel fragile. I suppose we both have similar OCD's.
Sucks that your civic got stolen. No chance of the police finding it?
>>54096124
>hardware level LAN/WLAN switching is nice... I wish Lenovo did that
what do you mean?
>>54096674
When a network cable is plugged in, the WLAN device is disabled. It's a small but nice feature. Dell and HP offer this as a BIOS option. I like it because it supersedes what the OS wants to do, which occasionally can be wrong.
>>54096442
There's a pube on your HP trackpad
>>54096557
The T450s had better speakers. These are completely workable for a business laptop though. I should note that microphone on the EliteBook 840 G3 is the best integrated microphone I have experienced. Picks up reasonably well from range so I can sit at a good distance when conferencing. Previously I needed to shout or be very close.
>>54096743
kek
>>54096667
it got found, but now am mostly happy with a Prius Gen 3, specially since its black. Might get a custom license plate that says 'THNKPAD' or 'IBM PWR' in june. :D
Anyways, the recent X1C (X1C4?) has a different build, it does look slightly better built, as the X1C2 and C3 shared the same build for the most part.
>>54096766
Really? Hmmm, good mics on laptops are hard to come by lol
>>54096743
Lol. It's actually chest hair. I'm from the Mediterranean... That thick curly kinda hair is all over. I'm pube freeish at the moment.
>>54096798
Then sell the civic and get the new X1C if you want it. A simple 'IBM' would be better, or 'IBM TP'. With a red dot worked in somehow.
It doesn't look too bad desu. Ideally, I'd keep it as a portable machine while I keep a bigger W/P or T series at home on a dock.
Thinking to get a w530, is this a decent purchase?
Going to use for CAD/CAM, spreadsheet crunching, and data analysis.
>>54096813
There's a little Mediterranean restaurant in SD I go to thats 15 mintues away. Fucking god tier, wish I had this sort of food in my hometown.
>>54096926
desu for what my T430s does, I love it, it may not be as beautiful as the Pixel 2, but better overall.
I really want that P70 I posted, granted it doesn't have the 4K display... just want one. 0:
>not gayming on your thinkpads
You have no idea how cool playing FPS gaymes is on a trackpoint, familia
>>54097436
the trackpoint actually sucks desu
idk why you guys like it so much
>>54097598
You can move your cursor anywhere on the screen without moving your finger away from trackpoint, you can also use the keyboard and trackpoint + trackpoint keys with both hands. With touchpad it's not possible to play FPS gaymes.
>>54097598
Because most people actually use the keyboard. Having to reposition your hand all the fucking time is not very helpful, is it?
>>54097710
i've used the touchpad to play fps games
>>54097712
i'm either typing or moving the cursor. never at the same time
>>54097746
>i've used the touchpad to play fps games
So?
For most thinkpad users it's a retarded way to play games. Enjoy your autism.
>>54097855
using the trackpoint is also incredibly retarded
your pathetic fanboyism is the real autism here
buy a regular ass mouse, nigger
>>54097870
>using the trackpoint is also incredibly retarded
It's like your opinion matters. Lmao.
Trackpoints are the most important reason of buying ThinkPads. You don't belong here.
>buy a regular ass mouse, nigger
I can't play games with external mouse in that position: >>54097436
you brainless fuccboi
>>54097888
in what position, getting fucked by your stepdad?
trackpoints are a meme and not the main reason to get a thinkpad
fuck you're triggering me hardcore with your shitty european autism
>>54097870
>2016
>using a mouse
>>54097911
how else am i supposed to get comfy playing my retro rpgs? laptop goes on my chest, and my trackball goes wherever i feel like
>>54097908
>in what position, getting fucked by your stepdad?
You're such a hostile edgy little shit. I bet your biological parents tried to abort you multiple times before they gave up. Well, they should've killed you instead of giving you away for free to a pair of feminist lesbians.
Too bad I don't have access to my anime folder from my company. Could somebody help me up?
>>54098012
lmao your projection is sad
don't forget you're the one who got shitty first. maybe you'd be less shitty if your asshole wasn't constantly abused
just hug your waifu pillow extra hard tongiht
>House at 64f
>t420's fan barley goes past level 3
>usually below 55c so the fan never comes on
>completely silent shitposting
>>54098047
You're autistic if you play FPS games on a touchpad, it's a matter of fact, not subjective opition.
Do you also insert your penis into a male asshole instead of female vagina?
You're doing it wrong then.
>>54098107
oh no, you've gone and lied about what i said
i guess it's confirmed, trackpoint users are ultragays
>>54098123
You're the one who fucks another man in the ass. This makes you an ultragay.
>>54098158
nah i only fuck women
ps, getting assraped by your stepdad doesn't mean you lost your virginity
having fun jerking off to your 'clit mouse'
I am a poorfag and my hdd is having problems and I need to replace
What's a good an affordable 1tb or 500gb hdd brand?
What's a good and affordable sdd brand?
>>54098206
check out ebay. I think they are having sales on Samsung SSD's ( at least in canada )
>>54098267
>SSD's
your an idiot
>>54098206
intel 530/535 SSD if you're a maximum poorfag
>>54098267
Not from Canada my friend
cheap used T450 when?!?!
>>54098176
Your mom doesn't count as a woman
>>54098307
2018
>>54098419
;_;
T440? i-i can replace the touchpad
>>54098431
Yeah. I got a T440s, pretty happy with it
>>54096175
ANSWER MY ATTENTION WHORING PLEASE
>>54098307
ebay bids mate
>>54092825
Naw man, I bough a T420 with 4gb of RAM and a Nvidia 4200m for 150$, just camp it out, you'll find a decent deal eventually
>>54098612
found one of exactly that type and caliber for $160. loller
>>54098336
>>54098176
jesus fuck this board is full of children
>>54088479
so what's the whole point of this frankenpad's superiority vs ordinary t61?
just because the screen?
>>54098845
It's got a 64-bit processor that is also a bit faster, and you can use more than 3GB of RAM.
>>54098902
>vs ordinary t61
>vs t61
>t61
>61
>1
>>54090959
Any frenchfag that knows where to find cheap used X200/X220?
>>54098924
Oh shit, i misread the hell out of that, yeah it's pretty much a kickass screen, keyboard and whatnot with the T601.
>>54098843
welcome to our nice little weaboo community, senpai
>>54095729
I'm considering ordering one. But i'm unsure as i've only really found reviews for the T460s.
>>54097888
>Trackpoints are the most important reason of buying ThinkPads.
You're literally retarded.
I'm planning to get a used one for my computer science major. Any recommendations?
>>54099135
Ok kid ;)
>>54099169
T60 or T61. 4:3 aspect ratio is the only sane choice for comp sci
>>54099222
Why? Wouldn't it be nice to have 2 windows side by side?
>>54099169
x250, x260 or something similar, unless you're poor
lenovo's site has some nice offers every once in a while, plus usd prices are laughable cheap compared to anywhere else. I paid $1500 for entry level thinkpad yoga in yurup
>>54099252
it is. But I would only recommend it if the screens at least FHD at 15.6 inches like W520.
Guess I fell for it...
>tfw try to update driver and Intel dropped support for Intel HD 3000 (Sandy Bridge) on Windows 10
What do
>>54099889
install gentoo
>>54099889
>>54100046
Fuckken yes
Do people unironically use the trackpoint?
My T420 doesn't have a fingerprint reader.
What gives pham?
>>54099889
They didn't. You just install the 8.1 driver.
>>54100122
Trackpoint is GOAT. I find myself reaching for it even on desktop keyboards.
>>54100157
It's an option when you but them new, not stock.
>>54100122
Are you unironically buttdevastated about other people preferences?
Shoot yourself pls
>>54100212
I see. I'm glad it doesn't have the gimmick tbqh. I was just surprised because I thought all T420 laptops had them.
>>54100278
I think fingerprint/card readers on these notbooks are a gimmick as well, I remember seeing a mythbusters ep where they fooled a fingerprint reader by pressing a mold of a fingerprint on it and it let them right in.
>>54096140
Throw that piece of shit in the trash and buy an optibay
>>54100167
I do this all the time.. I need to replace my model M with a trackpoint one..
Looking to pick up a thinkpad for webdev and general programming. I've taken a look at the buyers guide, but not really sure which would be ideal for what I need it for. The lightweight and portable series could be nice, but I'm worries about it being less comfy to use than the other series. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
Is the mSata the size of hard drive that fits in a t400? The one I'm buying has no hard drive, but does include a "caddy" for one.
>>54100791
2.5 inch driver, no msata
>>54100873
Thanks.
>>54091416
Recommended is 40%-80% isn't it? https://askubuntu.com/questions/34452/how-can-i-limit-battery-charging-to-80-capacity
>>54101075
I charge my E6400 to 80% every month and let it set, still hold a good charge.
I have a couple year old T-420. Upgraded to a larger drive a few months ago, but I fucking love music, want a drive just for it, so I was thinking of getting the little tray thingie for a second drive.
As I can already only get lke 2 hours max if connected to internet, will the addition of another drive hurt battery life noticeably?
>>54100670
T420 pham
>>54091789
I was posting my x230 config multiple times, then you showed up with your very similar machine.
>1GB 750ti
Why would you do that, familia?
Comfiest OS to put on my Thinkpad?
>>54101278
How bad would the x220 be?
>>54101366
Arch GNU plus Linux
>>54101371
x220 with IPS screen is much better than T420. T420 is literally an overheating piece of shit designed for asperger infested faggots with fat asses. Avoid it at all costs.
>>54101371
if you can deal with 1366x768 then go for it but the extra screen space is really nice. Palmrest is also quite small on the x220, not an issue for me as I have small hands and never use the trackpad but you might care
>>54101366
castrated (off diagtrack and telemetry) Windows 10 Pro 64bit. It's the only choice if you need long battery life.
My X220 just arrived today. It was described as like new condition, but the only thing wrong with it was a couple spots on the lid that wiped off with some good ol isopropyl. It came with a 500gb hard drive, 4gb of memory, an IPS panel, and the power adapter. I got it all for $100. Unfortunately that machine isn't for me, I bought it for my mother.
>>54101537
my dad's wife*
Is the main hard drive bay in the T420 SATA III capable? I can't seem to find good information when searching it on Google.
>>54101409
Why is the t420 a recommended model?
>>54101414
I'm wanting to use the nipple and tend to use a second monitor.
>>54101537
That sounds like a fab deal, minus the family issues.
>>54101575
No, it's stuck at SATA II.
>>54101564
ebin
>>54101194
I dont think it will be a huge hit. You may be better off getting an SD card instead of a second drive for the ultra bay.
>>54101328
it was one sale, and i've never come close to maxing out the memeory on the card.
i tripled my graphics performance which is just fine for me
>>54101427
Going with Linux tbqh, my main desktop is Windows for games and I'm just going to use my Linux Thinkpad for browsing for privacy reasons.
>>54101576
He is just being a moron, there is nothing wrong with the T420. If you are going to only have one device I would go T420 as it is much more capable due to being able to have a quad core chip in it. With a quad core, 16gb of ram, a dock and whatever HDD config(can have 2 2.2 inch drives and 1 msata) you want.
On the other hand the x220 can do most of that but it lacks the second 2.5 inch drive and is limited to only a dual core. You also don't get as high a resolution display (1366x768 vs 1600x900) although you can have IPS on the x220 without excessive modding.
All up to you in the end. Because I have a desktop I have an x230 but if I was say living in a dorm and only had space for one computer i would be running a T4XX laptop with a dock and eGPU.
>>54101649
Not to mention that most distros work super well on Thinkpads, Fedora 23 on my T420 is super comfy.
>>54101677
I was a bit disappointed that the cpu can't be upgraded so easily in the x220 and worried how the screen compares to my macbook pro's retina.
>>54096225
Make sure you get "3yr Onsite" upgrade. It's a god-tier warranty
Where is the best place to buy a refurb t420?
>>54101576
T420 has a shitty screen. You can't even believe how fucking disgusting the screen is in T420. It's gonna burn your eyes and get you cancer. Worst thing is there is no IPS option available in T420.
Just stick to the x220 with IPS.
I wanna get a thiccpad, like the W series. Which model has a good cheap/powerful balance?
>>54102434
You can get it for free from african trash bins. Even poor niggers from africa are throwing these shitty abominations away.
>>54102455
w530 with quadro GPU
>>54102467
Thanks!
never owned a thinkpad before, thinking of getting one from amazon for like 50-60 gbp and installing some sick os on it
are they trash?
>>54102443
thank you baka senpai
anyone have link to a blog about minimalism? there was a post about guy who gave advice how to change your life and was talking about how he was travelling in asia just with a backpack. he had a thinkpad.
Does anybody knows how to make the mute button to work properly on a T400 with debian? I can mute but not unmute without using "alsactl init"
What's the best distro (for someone who has never used a Linux distro before) to get on a T420, getting one for free in a few days
>>54103258
Xubuntu is really cool, it's light too.
>>54102614
>50-60 gbp
I wouldn't expect this.
>>54102455
>>54102467
>>54102486
M4700/8570w > W530
>>54103258
This. >>54103306 I havent had a problem at all with it on mine. Mint was a bit problematic in that the mute button wouldnt unmute right, but i switched to xubuntu after the whole compromised iso thing. That and i got a SSD so i had to reinstall anyways,
>>54103659
HP supports islamic immigrants in europe. All their products are automatically discarded by any sane person.
Dell is shit. It doesn't have a comfy keyboard, glorious trackpoint and it has no 9cell battery option. Into the trash it goes.
Anyone have an idea why AC adapters would keep dying on my T420. Not really an electrical engineering buff so anything I think my be a possibility is likely wrong.
I am now on my third wire or adapter.
>>54103976
>W530
>Lenovo 6 row
>Soldered GPU
>Wifi whitelist
>No 10 bit IPS option
>muh brand > your brand
>>>/r/apple
Day 1 of using the meme laptop:
I keep pressing Fn instead of Ctrl.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>54104116
You'll get used to it. Then you'll have a hard time using any other laptop.
>>54104116
>tfw glorious Dell keyboard with standard layout
I love the T420 and want to pick some up but am gonna miss the look and feel of that Dell.
>>54104116
Swap them in the BIOS. That's what I do. Worked like a charm. Idiots who look at the keyboard can't handle it though
>>54104147
>you should just accept shitty design decisions goyim
>>54104178
>didn't remap control to caps lock
Shit taste.
>>54104215
Remap control to capslock? or Fn to capslock? The latter is a brilliant idea.
>>54104207
No, you shouldn't. The "standard" positions of ctrl and fn make laptops more annoying to use than they should have to be. The Thinkpad positioning makes more sense to migrate to from a desktop keyboard, where you have ctrl, super, and alt right next to each other. fn is an addition to the keyboard rather than an interloper, and it makes it very easy to activate Thinklight in the dark. This design decision wouldn't have stuck around for as long as it has if there wasn't good thought behind it.
Specs:
i7-2620m
8gb RAM
1600x900
500GB HDD
Sold it for £250, was it a good deal?
>>54104618
thinkpad t420*
>>54102443
>Just stick to the x220 with IPS.
enjoy your 1366x768 display
>>54104618
That is a good deal you got for it, it's still got a mech drive.
>>54099342
Ugh.
>>54104618
Did you profit from selling it?
>>54104800
yeah bought it for £165 sold it for £250, £85 profit.
>>54104608
>control on other keyboards
>aim for the extreme lower right
I have a dumb question for /tpg/, is the 9 cell extended battery compatible with the Thinkpad E555?
I fell for the meme, just bought a T430.
Just waiting until it arrives.
Considering an x260 with an i3. How is the i3s performance? About the most stressful thing the computer will have to do is sudo dnf update, so wondering if I should even bother going i5. I have an e5 Xeon box with 8 cores and 16 threads, should I ever really need to compile anything of any weight.
>>54105126
>X230
No.
>i3
No.
>>54103258
Manjaro + KDE or Cinnamon.
Pretty comfy and you'll learn a lot more than rocking ubuntu variants.
E4300 worth it for 120 bucks in Yuroland?
120US$ that is.
Planning to run it as a plain internet + code machine, to test lunix stuff out on, with XFCE most probably.
Nothing much.
>>54105315
oh also, does it have DDR2 or DDR3? I find conflicting sources on teh interwebs.
>>54102443
Saying this as someone who has both an x230 with the IPS screen and a T420 with 1600x900 screen in front of me right now:
The T420 screen is not that terrible for general use but really blows for movies, especially in dark scenes where no matter how you tilt the screen, the colors invert in the shadows. The X230 is nicer for watching media but has some backlight bleed and some shiny spots on the screen where it rubs against the keyboard, and 1366x768 is just too small for running an IDE or having two PDFs side by side.
The X230 keyboard still feels all right, the changed key shape is not that bad, it's the layout that's more annoying. I don't know why they put printscreen where they did. It mostly only annoys me switching back and forth, because I reach for page up and page down on the T420 and they are actually the browser back and forward buttons.
>>54105315
Get the E6400 for that money, it's a better built machine, and you get a 1440x900 screen for coding and web stuff. the E4300 has DDR3, but the buss of a Penryn chip is only 1066mhz and dual channel DDR2 is plenty for what it is.
>>54105377
Aight, found an E6400 for 100 bux, apparently, if the guy still has it.
He says the battery lasts for about 1.3 hours.
How good are chink batteries for the E6400, oh mighty E6400 guy?
>>54105424
I'm seeing some on amazon 6 cells for $21
http://www.amazon.com/Notebook-Replacement-Computer-Latitude-Precision/dp/B00KG917ES/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1461009911&sr=8-2&keywords=latitude+e6400+battery
They also have the 9 cell that sticks out if you need a little more juice
http://www.amazon.com/replacement-Latitude-latitude-precision-Compatible/dp/B00FF2E1FI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461009911&sr=8-1&keywords=latitude+e6400+battery
>>54105439
I'm more asking about how many cycles they will last.
I'll probably buy on aliexpress since my country doesn't have amazon anyways.
>>54104955
i am falling for t420
>>54105447
I'm not sure about how many cycles the E6400 does before it's battery starts wearing out, but in the bios, there is a battery health indicator to keep an eye on it.
What is a good fan control program? I cant seem ot get power manager 6 for some reason and I have TDF fan control app but it seems to randmoly switch off of manual to smart mode a lot.
T420 Windows 10
Hello /g. I recently bought a T460, and have since upgraded the HDD to an SSD. My question is, I have read that Skylake and Linux are not getting along right now. As of Linux Kernel 4.3, there are massive performance and power use differences when compared to Windows 10.
Does anyone know if Linux Kernel 4.4 fixed these issues? I would rather avoid the Windows 10 botnet if at all possible.
>>54105465
Hmm. 100 bucks for one with 80GB HDD and quadro graphics or with 128gb ssd and no quadro graphics?
>>54105613
Get the quadro, it will help you these days with HD videos.
I recently installed libreboot and Trisquel on my X60 and everything works except that there is no sound.
I tried playing around with the alsamixer but there is still nothing.
Has anyone here had this problem?
>>54105631
I say this because I boot up in 20 secs but I lag like a bitch with bluray rips.
Bought used x220 off trademe for 170nzd, came without battery and the yellow "always on" usb is broken (the plastic underneath the pins is gone and one of the pins is pushed in), how do i fix/replace the usb?
Is this worth the price? I have 8GB ddr3 ram to upgrade that so I'm not worried about the 4GB
>>54105669
Worth it to me, it doesnt look beat up, and those stickers on the palmrest indicates the owner wasnt beating the tar out of it and wearing it.
Which driver should I have for1023MB NVIDIA NVS 4200M (Lenovo)
I avoid the newer qaudro one correct?
>>54105691
That's what I was thinking, I mean $200 for a good spec laptop is pretty rad.
>>54104877
I had a t420 with lower specs... got it for $150 and sold it for $200... profit $50 after using it for 6 months or so.
is buying t420 whit 1366 x 768 resolution awful idea, even thou i will be using external monitor majority of the time
>>54106404
Having your built in display 900 pixels tall helps with scrolling stuff.
Meme laptop bump.
I really want to buy an x200 series, which model is best? I was thinking an x230-40, but x200 and x220 go for dirt cheap sometimes, do I wait on a cheap x220?
>>54105669
Sounds about right.
I paid $185 for mine.
- No finger print reader
- 128 GB SSD
- 4 GB RAM
Is there anything smaller than an x220 with a decent screen and a clitmouse?
How is the x131e as a glorified Facebook machine?
>>54108615
X201 half an inch smaller,but about same weight
My new x100e is over heating and shutting down when its too hot. I found out the guy that sold it have made some apu swap and was selling it as 1st gen. of Neo apu. I boosted a bit the ram yet why is it over heating? Is it thatthe termal pasted is dried?
I know people wil say that because I bought a x100e but I really like its format/size its so comfy.
I need something that just werks for $500-700. Only requirement is that it needs to be compatible with 5g bands
Please spoonfeed me
This little fucker needs repairings :DDD
>>54109019
>he thinks 5ghz is better than 2.4GHz
in actuality, 5ghz works best the closer you are, and fails going thru 2 or 3 walls
it also avoids the interference given off by lan phones, microwaves, and the fucking toaster oven at work where it cuts my wifi signal off when you use the toaster oven
>>54108834
the liquid inside the heat pipes of the heatsink breaks down into solids if it is heated too much
best option is to replace heatsink (forced to install new thermal paste)
>>54105599
>T420
>Windows 10
just go back to W7
How the heck do I get power manager 6 on windows 10?
>>54097870
I concur, trackpoint is great because you get to keep your hand at home row, unless you are search and pick type of typist.
Though I do use a mouse at the office and at work, just better than a touchpad for the most part if I'm not typing much.
>>54098843
imo its kinda comfy, reminds me of my MW2 Xbawks days.
>>54099222
>>54099252
Don't question the trips.
>but it would be hella slow
>>54109284
So thats might be the problem?
>>54099889
Good to know.
>>54101366
Makulu
>>54103659
Arguably I'd say so, since those can be bought with IPS displays if you got the cash and they also have MXM GPUs which might be cost effective.
>>54104903
Sadly... no, there isn't a 9 Cell available for that system.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-edge-laptops/thinkpad-e555/20dh/000wge/documents/pd012165
Also looking at the motherboard, there doesn't seem to be an ultrabay battery connector either, so you're funked.
>>54109358
Install with compatibility settings during install process. Worked on the T440p but not with the X1C3.
>>54101366
I pretty like korora(w/cinnamon). Alot of usefull software preinstalled on it which is its strengh
>>54090959
Are T420's automatically multivoltage?
I'd like to take one to Nippon, but the electricity is 100 volts there.
Is buying cheap genuine batteries on ebay worth? Like one for 28$. Will it be doa?
My previous laptop broke and I am low on finances right now. I have around 180 dollars to spend on a laptop. Is the t420 my best bet? I have a 2.5ghZ 8gb ram refurb model picked out but I'm worried of pulling the plug nd getting a machine that isn't going to last me at least another year or so. Any other options maybe with newer hardware?
>>54110090
>Is buying cheap genuine batteries on ebay worth? Like one for 28$. Will it be doa?
No. Often times they are simply shit. Barely hold a charge. Also, they usually don't meet standards the manufacturer implements. Fake batteries can even damage your laptop. Or spontaneously combust.
There was a seizure of a load of those hoverboards here in the UK at some tech expo because they'd been banned because the batteries and motors were bursting into flames.
And if you've ever seen a bad battery go up, you don't want it in your phone in your pocket, or in your laptop on your lap.
>>54110295
So gotta buy a brand new one at 130$?
The price of official Thinkpad batteries is ridiculous.
>>54110348
just get one on ebay. if it dies after a year better than spending a bunch on something that could die in a year
>>54110488
A knockoff? Or a used lenovo one?
>>54110496
Well. I guess a used would be fine. But truly depend son the seller and what they say.
