"ITS GANNO SLASH LONEX" edition
Previously on: >>53932581
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Hi
Fuck, the package compression from the AUR can be really annoying. The standard xz invocation doesn't use multicore -- and if and WHEN you do, the compression rate drops the more cores you use.
>>53943299
Also another thing which is annoying, that you have to do export TMPDIR=/home/whatever to avoid some annoying tmpfs limitations when you have a limited amount of RAM and are trying to install bigger packages without resizing the tmpfs partition.
I still like it tho.
What should I do with file permissions if I want to carry it over to another computer? Chmod 777? Or read only for others?
>>53943430
I'm kinda curious too. I have a fully configured /home/ that I just want to copy over basically; can I just do that? I want to keep the rights of course.
Reminder that there is no reason to use a bare WM unless you own a poorfag hardware in the age of 2016.
>>53943430
rsync
why would you not be able to use it on other computers?
>>53943453
>I like tiling
>I must be poor
Good logic
>>53943458
Because it says file permissions denied
What's a good gnu/linux way to have your computer email you or text you when it's done doing something?
For example I'm re-emerging chromium on gentoo with some botnet patches at them moment and it's probably going to take awhile. I'd like to have it email me or text me when it's done.
>>53943476
It's like you don't like features
>>53943430
Leave the permissions. If the uid is different chown the moved files. In what fucking world would chmod 777 help?
>>53943453
BLOAT
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>>53943525
Only a few GB. We're talking TBs here
>>53943477
You didn't do it correctly then. Are you talking about not being able to mount it as user or actual permissions of the files? Can you write to the disk from the other computer?
>>53943511
not when most are useless for me
>>53943430
should have kept your shit in the last thread.
>>53943520
I dont get it.
Explain pls.
>>53943552
Basically copy the files, change the owner to your current owner on that system using chown -R or something
>>53943542
>Are you talking about not being able to mount it as user or actual permissions of the files?
actual permissions
>Can you write to the disk from the other computer?
yes after i did chmod 777 on the folder
i need a light distro for a ooooold computer, i´m only going to us it to play music and video.
>>53943562
You didn't rsync it properly then, learn how to use it.
>>53943592
I just used copy files, familia.
I don't need them on both
>>53943585
Gentoo
>>53943610
why ask then?
>>53943624
Because I'm trying to understand how to change owner to user on other computer
>>53943477
So you didn't bother look at why it said permission denied and just applied the 777 sledgehammer? Stupid.
>>53943667
If it is the same owner on different computers you don't need to change the owner.
>>53943552
Maybe you should read up on how file permissions and ownership work on linux, that is what you seem to be having trouble with.
>>53943610
If you used cp then the permissions should be the same and the owner would have changed (unless you copied as root in which case IIRC the ownership would have stayed the same).
>>53943704
>>53943708
>>53943717
>>53943740
Permissons are -rw-r--r--, what the heck should they be?
Do I just need to chown on original computer
>>53943740
>if you used cp
Reported
>>53943779
755
Can I get an interjection? Thanks..
>>53943779
If you are the owner and the file is not supposed to be executable then it's fine.
command "args" < input_file > output_file
Doesn't work
why am I stupid
>>53943827
more information needed
>>53943817
I am not the owner.
The owner is "root", how is this possible? In that specific example they are picture files.
>>53943827
not all programs accepts data from stdin
>>53943832
Bash script
hxselect "#index-table a" < normalizedhtml > output to file.
I can get it to work with just
hxselect "#index-table a" < normalizedhtml
but the second I try outputting to a file it syntax errors
>>53943842
>>53943085
Alright guys, so I just installed Manjaro Linux (KDE) on a wiped, extra HDD I have, but I can't seem to boot it. The live iso that I used for installation still works fine, but I can't boot from the hard drive. I first tried rebooting and going to the boot menu where I selected the disk that I installed it on, but it went ahead and booted windows from my SSD anyway. I tried disconnecting all disks except the one with Manjaro on it, and instead of Manjaro loading, a message displayed saying to reboot with a valid boot device installed.
wat do?
>>53943870
Pls help me
I know I'm retarded but pls
>>53943876
install bootloader
>>53943880
This is beyond retarded.
People have told you what you need.
You're not listening and want to be spoonfed.
You have the information you need, if you need more read up on ownership and permissions
>>53943869
Weird. It should be working
What's the error message, exacly?
>>53943876
>Manjaro
stopped reading there
>>53943904
1: syntax error
That's all
>>53943902
No I understand it kind of, I just don't get the owner part.
So do I just chown to [name of user] on my new computer? Someone said something about UID matching
>>53943889
Should the Manjaro installer not have done that? Isn't that what grub is?
>>53943939
I dont use manjaro or installers
It sounds like you dont have a bootloader setup properly.
>>53943922
Can someone please explain this?
>>53944055
jesus christ, read some documentation. This is one of the fundamental aspects of linux, it is very well documented.
>>53944068
It's not making any sense. I get it on one system, I just do chown [new owner] file and that's that but how on other computers?
>>53944103
>>53943917
Figured it out:
It errors but still does it so whatever.
>>53944164
Yes I've read that... But how can I change it to a user on a DIFFERENT system?
Since I can't pass a uid or username on a given system since it only exists on the other one...
>>53944243
omfg kill your self
You've answered your self
>>53944267
???
Can you please explain
>>53944267
lol
>it's a bunch of trolls keep asking the question.
why is no one keeping an eye on the ip counter?
>>53944292
>It's trolling now to try to get an answer in the FRIENDLY Linux general
>>53943085
Friendly reminder the OS is called "Linux" by virtually everyone except an old hippy organization called the FSF.
Here's Linus Torvalds:
>... the same way that I think that "Red Hat Linux" is fine, or "SuSE Linux" or "Debian Linux", because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general "GNU Linux" I think is just ridiculous.
Here's Jim Gettys, the originator of X:
>There are lots of people on this bus; I don't hear a clamor of support that GNU is more essential than many of the other components; can't take a wheel away, and end up with a functional vehicle, or an engine, or the seats. I recommend you be happy we have a bus.
So this whole "GNU" thing is just Stallman's insistence but they guy also thinks pedophilia is fine so we know how much his opinion counts.
Pic. related.
The only thing ALL Linux distros have in common is the Linux kernel so it makes sense to call it Linux.
Yes, some Linux OSes DO NOT USE GNU.
What's the deal with the nvidia-settings-rc as opposed to the xorg.conf file.
I am using arch and I am trying to get the nvidia drivers to handle vsync instead of relying on compton. What settings go where and what overrides what?
I'm having a really really really weird issue with curl, and wrote a little test script to find the problem.
When I do curl -s www.mypage.com
it gets EXACTLY what I want.
my script:t1=$(curl $1)
echo $t1 > testt1
Now when I run:
script www.mypage.com
It gets a a completely different part of that page, what the fuck.
Any ideas?
If I take the Ubuntu source code and I use the latest Linux kernel instead of w/e they deliver will everything work fine?
I just don't give a shit about stability security is more important and the latest kernel provides that.
>>53944443
Dont use ubunto then
>>53944443
anon, I...
just use a more cutting edge distro
>>53944374
When I do:curl $1 > testt1
It works fine.
What the fuck is going on
>>53944443
>He doesn't use Arch or antergos
Smh
>>53944468
>>53944472
>>53944504
So this is not a place where competent people can answer a simple question - you could've just said - dunno.
>>53944501
Ok so the second I put anything into a command substitution it all goes to hell.
What the fuck is going on.
Does anyone have any idea why nothing will work nicely with setting a variable equal to a bash command
>>53944549
You are going to have to do more then just change the kernel.
If you want up to date kernels,and up to date packages, dont use ubuntu. It is not setup to do what you want. Im sure there are qt/gtk themes that will make it look like ubuntu,and i definatly know you can get trays,and docks to emulate ubuntu. Why you would that is beyond me. But it is possible.
tl;dr
Use a bleeding edge distro
>>53944549
no, this a friendly thread for friendly people.
if you are using lts. you can get the wily kernel backport which is 4.2 something, but you are better off asking someplace else if you don't like what we've got here.
>>53944337
>This
please someone respond
>>53944568
Ok, I'm going to arch at least I'm going to figure out everything on the way... and avoid discovering that I want to replace something else in the future.
>>53944628
wat
Why does
echo $var
differ from
echo "$var"
>>53944849
I don't know, I don't own an xbox
How to take a screenshot of all virtual desktops in gnome?
google isn't giving me anything here
>>53944636
I have a 700 watts psu.
how can i install a new theme for eclipse on ubuntu?
also, how can i upload an image onto these boards without having to download them on my computer first?
So lets say you have a list of links that go like:/item
/folder/item
etc...
and you have a domain
obviously you can use wget -i to do the list, but the problem is that the domain isn't specified
is there any way other than just appending the domain to the list to specify the domain that those links are to be followed on.
>>53945126
Post unclear. Please come back with more concise post
>>53945161
so
https://i.4cdn.org/g/1460178591566.jpg
but lets say your list only contains
/g/1460178591566.jpg
/g/1460176064882.jpg
how do you get wget to add the
https://i.4cdn.org/g/
>>53945206
You supply it when you use it in your script?
In what other instance is that path going to be found elsewhere?
Is this homework?
What is your ultimate goal here?
>>53944337
Common boys someone must know this
>>53945219
>You supply it when you use it in your script?
How do I supply it, that's what I'm asking.
>In what other instance is that path going to be found elsewhere?
wget still won't magically find https://i.4cdn.org/g/ unless I give it something.
Is this homework?
No
What is your ultimate goal here?
Script to download off a website
>>53945249
>Script to download off a website
httrack
>>53945267
>>53945279
I'm writing a bash script due to several issues of the website.
Now, please tell me.
Is there any way to get it to specify the domain or am I just going to have to append it in the list of links manually.
Again, my list has items that DO NOT INCLUDE "https://i.4cdn.org/g/"
The actual website is not 4chan, but just for demonstration purposes.
>>53945294
What the fuck is the purpose?
Either way you have a static link.
The image will only exist on the desinated website,in the desginated path.
wet https:/yourafaggot/yourmom/imafaggot.jpg
You're over thinking this
ive been using debian for a couple of days and im confused about the sources.list. by default, i only had two lines in my sources.list which were the deb and deb-src of jessie main. the example sources.list on the debian wiki has 4 more lines for updates and security. why dont i have these by default, and do i need them?
APT is a shit! It takes forever to install packages while Arch install much faster!
>>53945318
No, I'm not over thinking this you're not understanding my question.
my file that has the links does NOT contain the domain, this is how I get them parsed from a third party site, I can't change what I get
Does WGET have an option to specify the domain
or do I have to write another script that appends the domain to the links in my file, then pass that to wget using -i
>>53945361
Wget does not.
Perhaps changing your source would be the more logical answer?
This sounds grossly inefficent
>>53945361
Anon, your man-fu is weak
>>53945411
Thanks, I guess I missed that.
>>53944243
On the new system chown to your user on that new system, since they are the one who will be using the files, so they should be the owner
>>53943299
you can change/disable it
i personally have it use lzo, which is as fast if not faster than using no compression
/etc/makepkg.conf#########################################################################
# EXTENSION DEFAULTS
#########################################################################
#
# WARNING: Do NOT modify these variables unless you know what you are
# doing.
#
PKGEXT='.pkg.tar.lzo'
SRCEXT='.src.tar.lzo'
Is there anyway to get more out of bash other than bash -x because something is giving a syntax error and it doesn't give me anything else other than:
syntax error
>>53945880
># WARNING: Do NOT modify these variables unless you know what you are
># doing.
Why would someone modify them without knowing what they're doing? It's a linux-based system, they've got to be at least the slightest bit computer literate.
Is Arch linux a viable option for an older laptop ?
Lubuntu works kinda fine - but I was thinking wouldn't installing Arch with LXDE and picking w/e I need be the better option?
Does anyone else have NetworkManager crash all the fucking time on (X)Ubuntu 15.10? I have a Intel Centrino 1000 card.
>>53946147
NetworkManager is shite. delete that shit
>>53946204
what is a better replacement in your opinion?
>>53944331
Kill yourself already newfag.
>>53946098
They'd work about the same, if you like Arch then go for it otherwise just throw Lubuntu on it.
I've seen people posting here that in terms of security Ubuntu > Mint > Debian. I'm currently running Mint, what can I do to increase the security of my install? Is it even worth my time to look into it? What security flaws does Mint have (inb4 the iso was tampered with and has since been repaired)?
>>53946535
Set up your firewall.
Here my rules file:# Generated by iptables-save v1.4.21 on Tue Sep 22 12:55:15 2015
*filter
:INPUT DROP [0:0]
:FORWARD DROP [0:0]
:OUTPUT DROP [0:0]
-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
-A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT
COMMIT
# Completed on Tue Sep 22 12:55:15 2015
>>53946535
And uncomment in /etc/pam.d/su and in /etc/pam.d/su-l the line
>auth required pam_wheel.so use_uid
It will forbid your user of becoming root. Don't use sudo. When you want to be root you log as root and don't do silly thing.
By a clean separation between user and root you'll be sure that a corrupted user session won't corrupt root.
You can also use another build user for building thing that will be installed by root.
You must isolate your daily user. The one who goes on the internet.
Obviously done something wrong.
>Installing arch
>>53946725
well yeah the errors are in plain english
can you not read
>>53946762
I am presented with a blank screen with only few lines of text, sure the message is comprehensible. But it's not like I'll magically smash my head against keyboard and out of nowhere the proper commands are written down + I cannot write anything.
>>53946780
Nvm I'm reinstalling and paying more attention - I probably didn't mount/
>>53946780
maybe you are a faggot, who can't follow simple instructions (i.e. archwiki)
>>53946814
Hit a nerve?
>>53946762
>>53946814
Friendly Linux Thread, friend.
>>53946725
>>53946808
If you were looking to get help, do try to post more information. It's a lot easier to be of assistance if it's not made into a guessing game.
>Try figuring out how to fix my USB drive filesystem for an hour using command line
>Every time something keeps going wrong
>Can't make any sense of it, doing everything as intended yet it won't work
>Install gparted
>Literally 2 mouseclicks to format drive as ext4
>Works
Why do memeuxfags say CLI is sooooo much quicker, exactly? Most graphical tools make the process much more smooth.
>>53946842
I've already said I've trashed everything and started from 0, I think I know what caused my error
>>53946854
Yea, I'm just saying for future reference. Guess I could've made that more clear.
>>53946850
>Why do memeuxfags say CLI is sooooo much quicker, exactly?
they are.
you were not familiar with the cli tools you wanted to use, so all you did was bang the keyboard with your forehead caveman style.
don't blame cli for your ineptitude to comprehend software
and rememberman <software you want to use
cheers
>>53946850
You're aware that GUi programs under the hood basically do nothing else than calling shell programs, right?
>>53946887
But how is it quicker than literally clicking 3 times to do what you need done? Reading manpages to remember what arguments and flags the software you want to use is just unnecessary time wasted.
I mean I could understand if I had to do it every other day so I already knew all the commands because I use them so much but this is just more userfriendly and time efficient. Don't really see a reason not to desu.
>>53946918
>But how is it quicker than literally clicking 3 times to do what you need done?
you don't have to wait for it to load, refresh and update.
you don't have to move your hands away from your keyboard
>Don't really see a reason not to desu.
then don't.
is there anyone here to force you?
no
stop complaining about things that don't affect you
>>53946939
I just meant that autists on here keep saying shit like "ure dumb if you use a GUI to do things! You should spend needless time figuring out how to do things you only need once to a few times done instead of using tools that automate the process!"
>>53946956
>that feel when autistic yet aware that different tools suit different users
>>53946918
You're just a lazy faggot. You will not level up when you use GUI programs, that basically hide what's happening. If you want control over your system, you need to learn to control your system. Every time you do something on the cli, you learn something more - and these things are useful later, when you want to automate things to make your system more comfy. Don't be a used, be a user; know your shit. Don't think "I'd never use this anyway a second time, why should I learn it..." because it's the summary of knowledge that let's you understand the whole system.
>>53946979
Uhm people have other responsibilities and duties in life.
If there's an easy way to do something, and you understand what you're doing on the level where it's important why would you NOT use a tool made by someone? It makes no sense really.
>>53947009
If saves time. Running a command that does exactly what you want is faster and more efficient thant searching through the GUI to find the right button that does something preconfigured. At the end you have more time left doing some work or getting laid.
>>53947036
Looking for the right button or setting is much much quicker than reading several manpages.
>>53947036
alt + d then typing fir for firefox is way faster than navigating with a mouse.... but to that effect win + r and typing edge is just as fast...
>>53943085
>open to beginners
Okay, cool.
I have a question then pertaining to drivers.
I'm currently running Ubuntu MATE on a Thinkpad T430s. I've updated a bunch of different drivers (especially the battery, thank white jesus) but I'm still having trouble finding a docking driver.
Whenever I dock this laptop, the screen gets really weird, no panels are present, it doesn't take input correctly and I get frustrated.
When trying to dock it while on, doesn't work. Only docking it then turning it on works, but then I get THAT problem. Changing the resolution then causes the screen to go completely black.
Looked on Ubuntu and Lenovo site, and then have nothing that helps with this. Do you or anyone have advice on this matter?
>>53947058
>not having hotkeys for most used programs
SUPER+B fires up my browser
>>53946871
I just get pic related after restart with nothing else happening - installed Arch according to the wiki, no errors showed up until restart - when this occurred, tried multiple restarts.
>>53947100
Is this before or after GRUB showing up?
>>53947100
try to switch to another virtual console and come back
>>53947122
Before
>>53947140
See if you can get GRUB going, then. Odds are your actual install is fine.
>>53941672
Not sure if you're still here, I fell asleep. But I personally found it pretty easy to setup, since all you need to begin is basically virt-manager and qemu packages. Much easier to get setup than VirtualBox in my experience.
>>53943085
So Unity managed to shit itself today. I log on only to find out all the modifications I've done to it are gone and after a couple of hours of trying to fix it, I just gave up.
Though I'm not here for tech support. Planning to jump ship, fuck this Unity bullcrap. I could replace it, but I'd much rather just completely reinstall.
So which distro do you guys recommend for someone who's fed up with Ubuntu's bullshit?
inb4 install gentoo
Hey /g/, my ThinkPad's on Windows (corp/dev work). But I'm trying to transition off. I installed Xubunutu under VMware Workstation 12. Graphics perf is really shitty using open-vm-tools. I don't recall it being this bad a few years ago.
Am I doing something wrong? Or did VMware just sorta give up on 2D accel?
>>53944501
>>53944564
I dunno, maybe quote it nicely likeecho "${t1}" > testt1
>>53947198
You should try Elementary OS. It's still based on Ubuntu, but uses Pantheon instead of Unity
>>53947198
Arch Linux, and go with Gnome desktop environment - the latest one which got some performance optimization.
If you want to go lower on resources but still have an functional and stable performance wise DE go with MATE.
>>53946956
but you're doing the same thing actually, but instead of sperging about muh CLI you're sperging about muh GUI.
so either stop or accept the fact that you're as autistic as they are
>>53947263
Resources aren't a problem, since I've got a pretty beefy machine. I dual-boot with Windows in case I ever get the itch to play some vidya.
And I don't know about Arch. Seems like a big jump from Ubuntu. While I appreciate the notion of getting my own packages ( and thus avoiding bloatware ), it's still a bit daunting.
OP, you're great.
I love how you found the perfect medium between having Friendly Linux Thread in the subject, but still referencing the proper name in the comment.
:)
>>53947302
I used to think it was a big jump but no it's not complicated at all - actually you have much much much more support + all people that are good with Linux here on /g/ already use Arch so you'll have double support via their wiki/forum/internet and 4chan /g/
>>53947302
>While I appreciate the notion of getting my own packages ( and thus avoiding bloatware ), it's still a bit daunting.
Do note that you can do this with pretty much any distribution, Ubuntu included. The practical differences between Arch and doing a minimal install of something like Ubuntu are fairly small with regards to working with the system, except installing should be far less daunting. I agree with the other Anon that installing something like Arch isn't difficult, but I understand your feelings very well.
>>53947198
>>53947247
>Elementary OS
Please, don't ever do this. Use any other Ubuntu derivative without degenerate developers that can actually put out a stable release properly. Go with Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Debian or Funtoo.
>all people that are good with Linux here on /g/ already use Arch
wat
You mean "all the people that think they're good but couldn't install an actually customizable distro" use Arch
>>53947376
uwah, forgot to add a >>53947327
>>53947376
wat?
>>53947398
At least quote the part you're watting on, so sane humans know what youre trying to talking about.
>>53947410
How's arch not customizable? What does it have less?
>>53947449
Say I want to have bluetooth support in everything except LibreOffice, how would I set this up in Arch?
>inb4 hurr nobody would want this hurrrr
Or I want to stick to Firefox 24, but still be installed via my sane package manager, and all other software should still just update as normal.
Just a few small things you can easily do with Portage on Gentoo, but which are a pain to achieve on Arch. Also, the AUR is not a sane solution to install Firefox 24, since it's pkgbuilds are completely unsigned.
>>53947477
So your message is literally "install gentoo".
Real talk, niggas
How many of you Linux users have girlfriends?
>>53947488
Not really, I'm just pointing out how another distro is actually customizable, where Arch isn't. Reading comprehension isn't your strongest point.
>>53947494
I have Palmela.
>>53947497
I'd say Arch is customizable enough. Most people really couldn't care less if everything but LibreOffice has bluetooth support.
And for those people, gentoo was created.
>>53947477
For a second I thought you were going to give some shocking arguments that would make stop using Arch - but yea nothing relevant.
>>53947519
>customizable enough
Yeah, just as customizable as Ubuntu, so nothing special at all. I don't know why people hail Arch as some magical distro sent by the Gods themselves, as it provides literally nothing special over any other distro.
>>53947520
Good for you that you don't want to customize your distro. But since you don't, you could've used a better distro like Debian or Ubuntu.
>>53947538
I do not care about their stability I'm more into security - bleeding edge is what I consider the proper option.
>>53947567
>security
>uses a distro that requires a running webserver with direct communication to PID1
And >Arch
>bleeding edge
Do you still believe that? I used to take Arch binary kernels, but since they're too slow to release those I went to Voidlinux kernels. Even a meme distro with hardly any devs releases more bleeding edge packages than Arch.
why iz mozilla crashing when i try to play videos sometimes? is it possibly because of the ublockorigin add on?
help pls.
also how do i end processes like in windows task manager? pic related.
>>53947582
>Voidlinux
lol they already have 6000 packages, after all it might not be a meme distro my friend, going to check it.
I repeat I'm only interested in bleeding edge so you might've pointed me out in a better direction, thank you.
>>53947602
>why iz mozilla crashing when i try to play videos sometimes?
Literally no clue. It's unlikely to be of uBlock since it Works On My Machine.
>how do i end processes
you can use kill (-9), pkill or killall, depending on how you want to kill it and how much of it.
>>53947620
Oh, Void is actually becoming proper then. That's good news, then I can keep making ebuilds of their kernels and provide up-to-date binary kernels to Funtoo/Gentoo users.
I was afraid you'd be an Arch zaelot, defending it all costs even when you're given examples at how Arch is not The Best.
Keep us posted on the Void adventure if you please, I'm interested in how it fares nowadays.
>>53947494
I love how all the freetards are ignoring this.
>>53947643
Because it's not a question related to GNU+Linux. Besides, most people in here aren't "freetards" as you say it, they just want a working GNU+Linux distro and don't really care to be using completely Free Software.
Recently made the move to Antergos to help learning the Arch way of Linux. Is this a good idea or would I be better off jumping straight into Arch?
I have about 2 years experience with Linux systems but have never considered Arch or given it any learning time
>>53947667
>the Arch way of Linux
What does this even mean?
>straight into Arch
Arch itself isn't even a good distro, however, the spinoffs are even worse. You're better off learning how to install it yourself, so you also know how to troubleshoot it in case you fuck up.
>>53947658
Do you have a girlfriend?
>>53947667
I have like a week of Linux and been able to properly / install / config and run Arch - you literally have their wiki, then actual wikipedia to explain technical stuff, then the forrums and googel search - there is no problem to not be able to cover.
+ there aren't really any problems if you actually do what they say in wiki, if you're not sure about a step google it - make sure you're finding the proper way of doing it, else you'll have to reinstall some stuff.
Oh also just use virtual machine that way you don't care if you mess things up - you can just start from scratch again and again and again .
>>53947711
I am taking you so seriously right now
>>53947711
Go to a different board please.
>>53947667
just use arch
>>53947711
>I just installed gentoo, look what happend to me
I'n currently trying to give memebuntu a try, and WTF is that shit?
first, it ignored the fact that I clicked on
>let me fucking choose how I want to partition my HDD, because I got a windows partition and a recovery partition that I would want to keep
and nuked everything, without any kind of
>OK, here's what I am going to do, when you click next, is that OK?
screen, and now I am stuck with apt-get.
WTF is that shit supposed to be? I thought it was a package manager, that checks what I want to install, and then searches for the dependencies, and installs them too?
But I just get
>blabla depends on foo, but that is not supposed to get installed
but it fucking is! If I wanted to install dependecies per hand, I'd installed slackware.
so, where is the package manager?
>>53947853
>>>blabla depends on foo, but that is not supposed to get installed
You fucked up somewhere. Don't blame programs for your tech illiteration. Try again.
>>53947894
Its a 100% fresh install.
No additional ppas
No personal configs
No installed anything
the only stuff I did, wasapt-get update
apt-get upgrade
and thenapt-get install gimp
which results in the fucker telling me that it refuses to behave like a package manager. and -f also wont do anything.
>>53947916
Maybe an update needs a session restart, maybe you need to upgrade a second time. Check that.
Thought on https://solus-project.com/budgie/ ?
>pic related
>>53947954
>Budgie desktop tightly integrates with the GNOME stack
never
>>53947934
Also doesnt help.
So much for trying that linux for human beings that spares you from searching around in forums for hours, to fix stuff that shouldnt be broken in the first place.
Back to fedora and broken KDE it is…
>>53947954
GNOME
N
O
M
E
KDE Plasma is clearly the best
>tfw learning about a new command that does exactly what you need and works perfectly
truly orgasmic
>>53948356
What was it?
>>53948375
sudo
>>53948392
kek
any new imagemagick hacks?
>>53947582
>requires a running webserver with direct communication to PID1
I hear people say this every now and then, but on my Fedora systems, httpd.service (Apache) is disabled by default. It doesn't even exist on the Debian netinstall I have in a VM.
Am I missing something or is Anon and their kin proficient in bum-speak?
how to determine which openrc runlevel a service belongs to?
is there a list of "service | runlevel" somewhere
so if loonix respects my freedoms so much why can't i play muh gaems on it?
>>53948375
rsync
>>53948392
jej
>>53943085
For German speaking people: http://free-your-pc.com/
>>53943085
related question:
is JPG/JPEG an open file format?
>>53948582
Hör auf hier Werbung zu machen.
>>53943085
>GNU/Linux
Nope. Just "Linux"
>>53948612
tl;dr - (but saving for reading later)
call it what you want
>>53948612
I'd just like to interject for another moment. The person you're referring
as Linus has, in fact, done just a kernel for the GNU operating system,
or as I've recently taken to calling it, nothing. Linus is not a programmer
unto himself, but rather another leech in a fully functioning software team
made useful by GNU developers.
Many computer users run his lackluster version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the finnish reject
who is widely popular today is often called a "programmer", and many of
his followers are not aware that he stole his ideas from the GNU system,
developed by the GNU project.
There really is a Linus Torvalds, and these people are worshiping him,
but he is just another attention whore in the software world. Linus is an
egotist: someone who wastes resources to develop his knockoff kernel that
you run. Linus is not an essential person in the project and is useless by
himself; he can only function in the shadow of a complete software team.
>>53948635
>but saving for reading later
You're reading disinformation pasta. Linux never wrote it, also rms doesn't have a Google account.
>>53948612
This is fake.
>>53948612
>$ uname -o
>GNU/Linux
I'll call my operating system what it identifies itself as.
>>53948656
Linus*
>>53948668
kek, saved
>>53948656
yep, i was thinking this
img search this: just found 4chan related sites
thanks for confirming anon :)
Gentelmen
I need to do some metal sheet work, namely I design me a pc case and I need to make a model/drawings that can be used in solid works later on
I do have windows and solid works licence, but simply I don't want to install a different os to do what I want
What software shall I use?
>>53948461
It's not listed as the httpd service, or apache or whatever, it's a part of systemd itself. It's not a seperate service. If it were, you could disable it, but systemd is not modular as it claims to be.
>>53948561
You are free to play any game you can on it.
>>53948612
That post is fake, the Stallman part is actually words taken from GNU project website but Trovalds part is just pure memes.
In reality GNU/Linux is the proper name.
>>53948773
For something that's brought up so often, actually finding information on it is proving non-trivial to say the least.
Ok successfully installed Arch Linux after second try - now that I managed to do that and get everything working well - I can use Feliz installer at peace of mind.
I'm trying to run my steam install of victoria 2 on wine using playonlinux. I am supposed to start it without steam but how do I set start parameters for it?
>>53947477
just grab the libreoffice pkgbuild and edit it to disable bluetooth support
Hey guys, just a quick question for anyone that has GNU/Linux installed on an SSD.
From the moment you press your computer's power button to the time your desktop is visible and you can move your mouse, how long does it take?
I timed mine, apparently it takes my computer 10 seconds from the button press to show me the GRUB screen. Once I press the Debian option, it takes 11 seconds to show me the desktop, showing a few messages beforehand (lvmetad is not active yet, then a splash asking me for my login but which gets ignored and goes to the desktop a few seconds later)
Is this normal time? Or have I fucked something up?
For reference, my Windows partition takes about 10 seconds instead of the 11 it takes Debian. Maybe because of the lvmetad error message or because of the text asking me for the login (but not really because I never have to input anything there)?
>>53948745
for 3d cad?
I've used bricscad.
it's proprietary but has a native linux version and binary packages for both ubango and fedora.
also gratis 30 day (iirc) trial, so download it, do what you need and remove it.
>>53949431
Building libreoffice is not fun.
>>53949440systemd-analyze
andsystemd-analyze blame
>>53949440
That doesn't sound too unusual. You can make it faster by disabling services you don't need but it depends on what DE you use, if you use something like awesome/i3 there's not much loading time at all. DEs tend to be slow.
>>53949468
no, but how else do you suppose one would customize a LO build without building it?
>>53949477Startup finished in 1.722s (kernel) + 1.259s (userspace) = 2.982s
and422ms dev-mapper-DebianSSD\x2dRoot.device
246ms exim4.service
205ms lvm2-monitor.service
174ms ModemManager.service
161ms accounts-daemon.service
141ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-54d46282\x2da581\x2d4b9b\x2d9b9e\x2d8f5161faa470.service
129ms NetworkManager.service
121ms systemd-logind.service
117ms irqbalance.service
104ms upower.service
101ms packagekit.service
75ms avahi-daemon.service
64ms systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2duuid-DAC3\x2d6543.service
59ms minissdpd.service
59ms speech-dispatcher.service
52ms gdomap.service
51ms keyboard-setup.service
49ms systemd-journald.service
42ms rsyslog.service
40ms networking.service
36ms systemd-rfkill.service
35ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
33ms data.mount
33ms systemd-timesyncd.service
32ms udisks2.service
29ms boot-efi.mount
28ms systemd-udevd.service
26ms gdm.service
24ms nfs-common.service
19ms console-setup.service
18ms systemd-modules-load.service
18ms polkitd.service
16ms systemd-journal-flush.service
15ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
13ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
13ms colord.service
13ms [email protected]
11ms wpa_supplicant.service
11ms systemd-fsck@dev-mapper-DebianSSD\x2dHome.service
11ms dev-mqueue.mount
11ms systemd-user-sessions.service
10ms dev-hugepages.mount
10ms rc-local.service
9ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
9ms iio-sensor-proxy.service
and a few others
How's it look, doc?
>>53949519
so you only wanted some attention to brag about it
fuck off
>>53949530
...No, I'm asking a legit question mate
>>53949544
What DE/WM?
Do you need all those services?
Avahi?
Speech-dispatcher?
nfs?
>>53949580
>Distro
Debian
>DE/WM?
GNOME 3
>Avahi
Don't know what this is
>Speech-dispatcher
Not sure what this is either. Does it enable my microphone on boot or what does it do?
>nfs?
I don't know either
Sorry, I'm an bit new. Probably a bunch of these things I never use. Just migrated from Mint about a week back
>>53949616
>GNOME 3
Systemd is not the bottleneck, using gnome is.
Disable all the programs loading on startup within the DE if there are any (don't know if there is an option somewhere). Alternatively, just live with it, nothing is wrong and you shouldn't need to boot that often and saving 5-6 seconds isn't going to change your life.
http://strawpoll.me/7323343
Vielen dank.
>>53949642
Yeah, there's the option in settings. I don't have any startup programs from within GNOME so I'm covered there
Alright, fair enough.
As for the other two things I was worried about, how can I go about changing them?
The 'lvmetad' error I get on boot, along with the blank login screen that I get before the DE actually loads in. Is the second just GNOME's fault for being slow?
>>53948032
This
>>53949682
Did you choose autologin or something when you installed it? Check the config for gdm (or whether the DM is for gnome), sounds like it's configured to just bypass it by logging you in automatically.
>>53949717
Yes, I set my user to autologin. But the login prompt appears for a few seconds before showing the desktop, still. And without any interface or anything, just plain text - something likeGNU/Linux Debian Testing ttyl
Login:
About 3 seconds pass and then the actual desktop shows.
>>53949668
50/50
fug
What's a good file sync / cloud service for day to day use I can use on GNU/Linux to replace MEGA?
It seems Debian doesn't really dig the idea of adding MEGA's repository because it claims it has a weak encryption algorithm. So I'm not sure if I should use MEGA anymore
>>53949750
I broke the tie
>>53949769
Genome it is then, I guess.
What's the least fucked up experience with a low on resources, minimal DE.
Is it with LXDE or with MATE?
I keep hearing you here insult GNOME none of you explain why, so I'm inclined to believe it's a meme.
>>53949868
MATE
>I keep hearing you here insult GNOME none of you explain why, so I'm inclined to believe it's a meme.
If you used gnome2 you know why gnome3 is garbage in comparison
>>53949886
>gnome3 is garbage
presenting subjective opinion as a quantifiable fact
alsoStartup finished in 4.387s (firmware) + 68ms (loader) + 2.644s (kernel) + 473ms (userspace) = 7.574s
arch + gnome, the biggest bottleneck is my motherboard.
I'm using Thunar. How do I make different views of files on different dirs?
Example: View as detailed list in my dir A and View as icons in my dir B.
Thunar changes for all dirs globally by default.
>>53949735
Showing the display manager or the tty briefly is normal as far as I know.
https://neetco.de/apt-get/visual-novel-linux-guide/src/master/README.md
I updated the visual novels on GNU/Linux guide. Added a table of contents, along with a few additional tips (mainly how to run touhou and how to access the virtual drive in your file manager).
If you have anything to add (got a few useful tips or spotted a few errors), please tell me! I'll try to implement it immediately.
I currently have been using my 250GB 13" retina Macbook Pro as my main device. When I first got it I spent weeks trying to triple boot it but didn't have much luck. Ever since I gave up on that I've just been using pure OS X on the whole drive, no other OS.
I want to dual boot it with a distro of Linux. Maybe just give it like a 50GB partition so I can play around with it.
What distro do you guys suggest? I want something that I can begin to rinse my desktop and learn how to do all of that because I think I'd really enjoy it. However, getting Arch to work on a Macbook Pro Retina 13" is fucking hard because it needs extra proprietary drivers to connect to wifi - no internet means no Arch install.
Also how do I dual boot the Macbook Pro without completely fucking up my boot partition? I want some sort of a sexy looking selection screen when I turn the laptop on, default boot into OS X after like 10 seconds of no input - or something along those lines.
TL;DR What distro of Linux should I install of 13" Macbook Pro Retina, preferably something that wouldn't break on me constantly but I can learn how to rinse my desktop? And how do I setup the Macbook Pro to dual boot OS X and said distro of Linux without completely fucking up my boot partition?
>>53950216
Ubantoo iirc has the most chance of working on macs, if it works at all, that is.
What are some legitimate reasons to dislike Ubuntu and/or Canonical?
I don't even use it or argue against it, I'm just curious.
>>53950255
Do you mean straight Ubuntu?
>>53950216
I've never used a mac, but the guide here should also explain how to install wifi drivers: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MacBook (you're gonna need them anyway if you want wireless, can't go fully libre on this one).
If you don't feel comfortable starting with Arch, install xubuntu. It's kinda easier to use than Unity if you're computer literate, and isn't as "bloated".
>>53950287
Grandiose delusions.
>>53950287
Canonical used to have complicated relations at first with Debian (not sending patches to upstream and a lot of shit like that), but after a while they reconciled.
There's no reason to hate Ubuntu in particular, although Canonical is still hated for the Amazon spyware. They fucked up big time, and it'll be hard to get that broken relation of trust fixed.
>>53950298
Tried using that guide but I don't think it has been updated to take into account the later Macbook Pro models because I followed it word for fucking word and still couldn't get my wifi to work!
>>53950342
You sure?
>>53950335
Aren't Ubuntu and Debian basically completely different beasts now? As far as I know it's a horribly bad idea to use packages of one on the other because of dependencies and all that
How can they contribute upstream if they're already so different under the hood? (Or maybe they're not?)
