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>>53793605
>>53819101
Continued:
>Speaker and Headphone Guides:
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>Reviews:
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https://www.youtube.com/user/InnerFidelity
https://www.youtube.com/user/dalethorn2/videos
>Communities
https://www.reddit.com/r/zreviews
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>>53819156
Hahaha this guy
I lost an earpiece from one of my Koss KSC75s and they won't just sell me another one they want me to drive to the post office, ship them my cheapo headphones, and pay shipping + handling, so that I can get them "serviced" for free. very annoying. Is there anywhere I can go for spare parts?
>>53819101
>makes a new thread before bump limit to shoehorn his retarded pastebin
Kill yourself.
>>53819156
>dalethorn2
why did you have to remind me of this idiot, he's like a redneck version of hifiguy528
>>53819467
>9 posts
truly autism
>>53819688
stop samefagging in your own shitty thread welfarecuck
>>53819698
stop shitposting
>>53819724
see >>53819698 you shitposter
I want to buy a blind test box switch thing.
Is this it?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005TE7GP4/
Looking for a perfect headphone:
>removable one side over 2m long tangleproof cord
>rotating and collapsing over ear cups
>loud bassy sound with clear highs and mids
>comfortable headband and earcups
Bonus
>bluetooth
>cost < 150$
Any contenders?
>>53820108
Sennheiser hd8
>>53820195
>300$
Still nice try
>>53802280
>Carpenter Brut
>Suwako
Good taste, anon
>>53820203
worth it though, and is exactly what you're wanting.
>>53820108
AKG K545
>>53820195
>Senneheiser
>Good
pick one
>>53821436
sennheisers are amazing. The fuck are you on about?
Your picture is dumb too, he dropped them and messed something up, shit happens. That being said I have dropped my HD650 countless times now, hard too, and theyre 100% fine
>>53822397
Ive dropped Beyers and AKG's many times and they never broke, Sennheiser is just over shilled and overrated trash
>>53822397
>I have sennheisers
Totally unbiased opinion
>>53821436
The 800's have great build quality, although for the price they should. It's probably a better idea to budget for an LCD-X over the LCD-2, I've heard that older Audeze models had loads of QA issues. You'll want an amp with either of these.
What are the comfiest IEMs, /hpg/?
Hello again, /hpg/.
Best IEMs with removable cable under $100?
Hey /hpg/ do you know of any IEMs that are basically indestructible? I listen to podcasts/videogame music while I work and have to drop 5-20 dollars on new cheep headphones a month due to strain on the cord/base. I don't mean to abuse my headphones but due to the physical nature of my job its basically unavoidable.
Also here is my cat.
>>53824827
Hi
>Budget
$300 but the less I spend the better
>Location
US
>Source
PC (first time buyer here, would it be better in terms of producing the best sound to be in the market for a dual purpose headphone for both my phone and PC or should I be looking for one for my PC and one for my phone? I assume the difference would be because of the jacks used, yeah?)
>Preferred type of headphone
full sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
I'd very much prefer if I wasn't even aware they were on my head, so whatever is closest to that without compromising the sound too much, or as little as possible
>Preferred tonal balance
I'm not too sure but I think either warm or v shaped (forgive me if those are exact opposites)
>Preferred music
mostly electronically composed music like electro house or dubstep, mostly things you'd find in Osu!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOXdVrIFFWE but I'd occasionally like to listen to rock as well
>Past headphones
none
So, I want to buy a cheap headphone amp. I don't want it because I have headphones that need a lot of power, I want it because of the knob for volume control.
Any recommendations or perhaps there are better solutions to this problem?
>>53825515
fiio e10k will be more than good enough for that, pretty cheap as well.
Looks like I posted in the wrong thread
>>53827420
>>53827564
Sorry. Some idiot made a new thread way too early.
>>53817600
>mess that is hi-fi loudspeakers
Can you elaborate on this a little? I kind of know my stuff about headphones but I'm not familiar of what is going on in loudspeaker industry but I'm interested.
The velour on my headphones is almost worn out, where can I buy a new one?
I accidently cummed on my dt990.
dont want to wear them again
>>53819101
Why can't I record with the windows voice recorder through my dac/amp when I can with my on board sound.
I'm about to full REEEEE.
Send help.
>>53817764
Thanks. I went ahead and had a listen to both the 550's and 545's and ended up getting the 550's as the 545 earcup felt a bit too small so those would've probably been painful to wear for longer sessions.
Loving these so far.
>>53829596
this is why linux is a better OS and windows is for cucks.
bloppost guys
i went to a local music store and tried HD650s with schiit modi/magni ubers
It sounded the same as my HD598 with fiio e10k
>tfw not an audiophile
>>53829596
Is your interface also an ADC?
so I finally bought my first $500+ headphone and I'm hearing hissing sounds when I plug it in.
I thought hissing noises were an indicator that you're using incredibly crappy headphones
I'm using the HD 600.
>>53830159
if you're not using an amp/dac then the hissing noise is the result of your incredibly sensitive headphones producing the hissing noises from your incredibly shitty soundcard within your computer.
in essence, your headphones are good enough that it'll produce hiss because your soundcard is really shitty.
>>53830159
Headphones are passive devices(with the exception of wireless models and ANC stuff). They don't exhibit any hiss. The hissing is coming from the device you plugged the headphones into.
>>53830159
>HD 600
>over $500
where the fuck did you buy this
>>53830159
Buy an amp/dac
>>53830139
It's literally the same sound signature. Don't feel bad, you hit the point of diminishing returns at around 250 dollars. This is specially apparent in sennheiser since they like to tune their headphones in a certain way. It's why we get the beyerdynamics house sound and the sennheiser house sound and so on.
>>53830139
they share the same driver
>>53830278
also tried lcd-3s connected to some tube amp
still sounded the same.
i want to upgrade, but i know i wont hear any difference from it
>>53830197
>soundMagic IEMs don't produce any hiss whatsoever when connected to computer
>HD 800s produce hiss when connected to computer
I"m different person, I already own an amp/dac, but I doubt headphones don't exhibit any hiss.
>>53830281
What? HD 650 does not share the same driver as HD 598.
>>53830336
They are passive, they possibly can't produce anything themselves. It's like saying you have a noisy cable or something. It won't do anything without current being driven into it.
![AP%20MS%20ONE-medium[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IkmkkYz.jpg "AP%20MS%20ONE-medium[1].jpg")
Got some Alessandro/Grado Music Series 1 as a cheap trade, how are these things anyhow?
100 dollars online, looks just like your average SR-80, what's the deal with these?
>>53819445
This
>>53830380
>What? HD 650 does not share the same driver as HD 598.
HD518,558,598,600 and 650 share the same exact driver.
>>53830333
>tube amps
>lcd-3s
For one the LCD-3s are pretty dark sounding from the start with subdued highs, adding a tube amp will only make it warmer and have less treble (unless of course it is a high quality tube amp that doesn't distort things drastically).
Anyways, if you're going to upgrade keep looking, you might be surprised by headphones with nice even highs since the 598s don't have very prominent highs. When you are 'upgrading' you are just looking for a sound signature you like.
anyone have any idea what the hell the (±10%) part in the impedance part for IEMs stand for?
what effect does this have for the sound?
example:
impedance: 16Ω (±10%)
>>53830333
At first you wont hear any diffrence.
Most of the time it acutally will sound way worse than your old pair.
But after 2-3 days it will get better and you gonna notice the diffrrence between them.
>>53830469
That's called mental burn in or placebo effect setting in.
>>53830141
I honestly don't know what that means. I have dabbled with every setting that I can think of but I can't get this windows program to record anything when I'm connected to a dac/amp.
>>53830410
Great for electronic and rock. They are on-ears so tend to be annoying after a while. Completely open so use in a quiet environment where others won't be bothered. There are lots of mods available.
>>53830434
No they don't. Where did you get that idea? HD 518, HD 558 and HD 598 indeed use the same driver. HD 600 and HD 650 use different drivers which are also different from each other but very slightly.
>>53830443
It could be referring to the impedance in which the in-ears stay within a certain bandwidth window. It has no direct correlation to sound and certainly nothing specific you could deduct from those figures alone. However the load impedance(if varying by frequency) relative to the output impedance can alter the response of the system.
>>53830500
ADC = analog to digital converter. It's what you need if you want to record something into digital domain. A DAC is not able to do that, it does the opposite conversion.
Your on-board codec acts as a multi-channel DAC, an ADC, a headphone amplifier, signal processor etc.
>>53830557
>Great for electronic and rock.
There's no end to this shitty meme, is there?
>>53830159
>over $500
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>53830583
So I need an adc unit on top of my amp+dac?, fucking hell.
Any suggestions m8?
>>53830159
>$500+
I'm so sorry anon
>>53830644
What are you recording? What is the device you want to plug in? Why not just use the on-board?
>>53830159
You got jewed.
How would I clean the cup of my headphones? >AKG K550
>>53830756
Cue tips.
>>53830599
>$381.34
I assume thats without VAT,
also not directly from amazon.
KEK
ATH M50 still good?. What about m50x, is it really the same with extra cables?
>>53830657
I'm trying to record songs with my midi keyboard. When I use the windows voice recorder it only works when my on board sound is selected but that ads a lot of hiss (noise) in the background.
If I could record through my dac there would be next to no hiss, but the windows program doesn't acknowledge any sound when I have my dac connected.
>>53830583
>There's no end to this shitty meme
Oh look. Someone who has nothing and resorts to buzzwords.
>>53830159
>HD 600
>over $500
best thing I read all day
how hard did you get shilled to cave in and buy a sennheiser for $200 over the fucking base price
Just purchased a pair of Shure SE846-CL's for my galaxy s7 edge, what am I in for /hpg/?
>>53830836
If you like v-shaped headphones, then yes
>>53830966
Fantastic phone, meh in-ears.
>>53830937
Frequency response for a musical genre is stupid. It's always the "Grados and rock", too.
>>53830855
You would've been better off with an audio interface. I'm not familiar with specific products to only do ADC and be anywhere near affordable.
>>53831025
>Frequency response for a musical genre is stupid.
Where did I make any claim about frequency response? Straw man?
>It's always the "Grados and rock", too.
I wonder why that might be? Have you tried them versus say Sennheiser or AKG and rock? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the soundstage or resolution . . .
>>53830966
That dog looks so depressed, I just want to end its suffering
>>53819101
>amp
why do amps have to be for a specific head phone.
( i have a dt990 pro i inherited but i do not care )
i want a good all-around amp+dac
under 200
im thinken the e10k's a safe bet
i have stupit e12 that is not a dac but i need a dac
wat the fug shud i do
>>53831153
>why do amps have to be for a specific head phone
You mean like e10k for AKG702 and o2+oDac for Senn HD600 or something? I don't think you need an amp for a specific headphone but you need an amp for specific resistance(ohms)/sensitive(mA). Generally higher ohm headphones require amping as most portable DAPs don't have to power to push them (you don't need an amp for DT880 80 ohm but likely need it for DT880 600 ohm).
>>53831073
>Where did I make any claim about frequency response? Straw man?
What else could you possibly mean?
oh
>soundstage
Differences in headstage from headphone to headphone are minimal at best, especially if the frequency response is the same.
>resolution
Not a thing in headphones but a thing in audio gear like amplifiers and DACs as well as formats.
>>53831215
got you.
yes yes i've got the 250ohm as u can imagine.
so amp+dac is ideal
i was looken at that o2 + odac , too ..
bout 300 altogether?
is it that much better than an e10k?
should i just drop the dough on it?
mm..
>>53831256
>What else could you possibly mean?
I started to explain it but then red your next sentence.
>Differences in headstage from headphone to headphone are minimal at best
This clearly indicates to me you have no idea what you are talking about. At best, you think everything comes down to frequency response and base all your decisions on FR graphs without actually experiencing different headphones. There is a vast difference in soundstage from wide stage (such as ATH AD700) to in-head (such as with most IEMs).
>Not a thing in headphones but a thing in audio gear like amplifiers and DACs as well as formats.
Because clarity is the same between cheap $3 freebies you get with your smartphone/DAP as with every other headphone.
You sir, have proven to be retarded.
>>53831025
So I'm not going to be able to record via my o2 amp or e10k?. The annoying thing is that my last and older shit office pc sounded silent on board compared to my new one which is better in every way :/, That's why I now have a dac but I can't record through it.
REEEEEEEEEE
>>53831333
o brother beat it we're havin a leisurely convo over here
>>53831352
If you cannot address the post address the poster. How persuasive.
>>53831394
im not the one in a flame war with u, fucktart
>>53831410
You've got nothing to add to the discussion?
>>53831442
heh no im sry, im used to slower boards where a convo is like a cozy lazey suzzaine that u can wade around in and enjoy but i need to respect the traffic here and let yall do yalls thing. its just that when i saw ur post ended with 'no UR retarted' i figured i'd tell u to shove off cause aint no one got time for dat
>>53831333
>At best, you think everything comes down to frequency response
I don't but it certainly is the majority of what is going on and exactly what makes Grados distinct.
>and base all your decisions on FR graphs without actually experiencing different headphones
0/5 profiling.
>here is a vast difference in soundstage from wide stage
Yeah not hearing it. These HD 800 sound about as narrow after equalization as any other pair of open back headphones after doing the same. Am I deaf?
>Because clarity is the same between cheap $3 freebies you get with your smartphone/DAP as with every other headphone.
What on earth? "Clarity" is resolution now? What is clarity exactly?
Trying this 1 more time
>budget
$120 US (max)
>location
USA (california)
>source
iPod Classic (5.5 gen), Android smartphone, PC, Sansa Clip+
>preference
Over-Ear, Closed headphones for privacy
>Comfort level
Comfy for several hours of listening per day
>preferred music
I just want something for ANY genre, but I listen to a lot of guitar based music, some hip hop and a little bit of electronic
Been looking at the ATH-M40x, Takstar Pro80, and (even though they're open) Philips SHP9500. Are any of them worth getting? What do you guys recommend for the budget?
>>53831511
>I don't but it certainly is the majority of what is going on and exactly what makes Grados distinct.
But your complaint was specifically about frequency response rather than the actual point, GRADO headphones. You'll excuse me if I don't believe you.
>"Clarity" is resolution now?
Do you not understand what the these two terms mean?
Clarity:
>clearness or lucidity as to perception or understanding; freedom from indistinctness or ambiguity
Resolution:
>the process or capability of making distinguishable the individual parts of an object
The two are synonymous. Unless you believe a low resolution monitor has as much clarity as a high resolution monitor (both optical and audible)?
>>53831482
>heh no im sry
Then if you have nothing to add to the discussion and I have no obligation to prove anything to you what is there left but shitposting?
>UR retarted
Coming to a conclusion after explaining the process of reaching it is not a flame war.
>>53831637
I'm only interested in the sound aspect of these terms, not human perception. How do would you measure and quantify "resolution" in headphones? Can you see how frequency response would directly affect everything here?
>>53831757
>I'm only interested in the sound aspect of these terms, not human perception.
Says the guy claiming he doesn't think everything comes down to frequency response.
You missed out on the entire point of headphones, a completely human activity. Thus why I conclude you are a retard when it comes to headphones.
Time to trigger people like EL-8 anon did.
>>53831511
>These HD 800 sound about as narrow after equalization as any other pair of open back headphones after doing the same
I had this same perception, I couldn't find an EQ setting where it didn't make them just sound straight up worse. Decided to just get used to their stock sound instead which has worked out for the most part.
>>53831812
>Says the guy claiming he doesn't think everything comes down to frequency response.
It indeed doesn't but like I said, it is the majority and affects everything in sound what we hear.
I just don't get the "Grados are great for rock" or similar mindset. Why are they great if not for their specifically colored frequency response which is the only thing that makes them distinct? What else is there?
Headstage is heavily affected by FR and clarity is almost nothing but FR. There's distortion which is on the high side with Grados. Is high amounts of harmonic distortion great for rock? Is a poor bass extension with emphasized midbass and a really harsh treble good for rock? Is perceivably narrow or wide soundstage good for rock?
What makes it even more stupid is the fact that rock is a musical genre with a massive difference in musical content and mastering quality from album to album, from song to song. You can't possibly generalize it into anything specific. And the part here that a headphone has an effect on is frequency response(+ distortion). That's practically equal to someone on the mixing desk doing sweeping adjustments with a basic equalizers to all bands at the same time or you doing the same on your computer.
I took rock as an example but this same idea that a certain headphone is good for a genre X pops up everywhere(HD 800 for classical for example) and I can't possibly understand why. Especially as the reason you gave me isn't in the frequency domain but in somewhere else, which was poorly specified to say the least.
>headphones, a completely human activity.
What are you referring to here? The fact that sound signature is a preference?
>Thus why I conclude you are a retard when it comes to headphones.
Judging from what I've read you fit the bill better but I'll hold off these accusations for now.
>>53831937
What's your plan? Waifu change?
>>53832164
>What's your plan? Waifu change?
Not so much a change in waifu as a change in picture of a character I like under the label 'waifu' but yes some sort of reaction was expected, I guess that crowd no longer lurk the threads.
>>53832164
>What are you referring to here? The fact that sound signature is a preference?
If you have to ask I doubt you can or will register the explanation.
What uses headphones? Animals? Machines? No. It is people. Do lots of people enjoy headphones? Yes, but only as an individual activity. You only have one person listening to one headphone.
What point is there to headphones except for personal experience? If you want to say mixing/production that is also based upon the individual tech's personal standard/experience.
>>53832496
Nice irrelevant gibberish.
>>53832671
Exactly as I predicted. You will not register the explanation.
>I doubt you can or will register the explanation.
Thank you for proving me right.
So I just bought these. Waiting for them in the mail.
I'm upgrading from my DT-770 Pro and wondering what kind of DAC I should get.
Right now I'm considering Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus.
But due to the economy in Norway (basically all electronics), it has gone up in price, by a whole thousand crowns(120).
Got any suggestions for a DAC around 200-300$?
>>53833930
You should be considering an amp before a DAC.
Why the fuck do phone manufacturers not advertise their audio hardware specs?
My ancient sansa clip+ is still the only viable portable music solution because at least I KNOW that it's transparent and I KNOW that the output jack has 1 Ohms of impedance, so it'll drive any headphones without distortion, be they balanced armatures or dynamics.
Meanwhile buying a phone is a leap of faith since you can never know what the fuck kinda hardware is inside.
i just bought ATH-M50x.
did i buy meme headphones?
>>53833930
>he bought the DT1770
bro... is there anyway to cancel it? I'm sorry but those are terrible. Beyer has yet to fix their tesla drivers.
>>53833954
The dac I mentioned is an AMP as well. I guess I should've specified that I'm looking for a DAC/AMP combo.
>>53834010
You should venture to understand these things before buying them. Amp isn't an acronym.
>>53833930
>falling for the tesla meme
not even shitposting but holyshit anon.
>>53833995
also i should mention i already had 2 pairs of M50's (not M50x) and both of them got fucked in under a year. probably my fault for running with them (treadmill). i decided to give it one last chance because the price is so good, at least this time there's a 2 year warranty.
>>53834008
Name another headphone that's an upgrade over DT770? That is not a Fostex.
>>53833994
>Why the fuck do phone manufacturers not advertise their audio hardware specs?
I wonder if it might be because they are not selling DAPs but phones? What you are asking is kind of silly to me. That's like saying why don't car manufacturers advertise their audio hardware specs. The best we get is usually something like "Bose eight speaker system" or some such.
>>53833930
lol
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/beyerdynamic-dt1770-pro.384/
I just bought m40x a few days ago. They're amazing, don't hesitate if you're looking for something in that price range
>>53834036
>thinks the DT1770 are an upgrade
fuck. it's not worth it talking sense into this man. I'm out.
>>53834081
I asked a question. I did not said a statement you dumb frogposter.
My really crappy PC components completely destroy the sound of my balanced armature IEMs.
It's the shitty output jacks.
What can I do to circumvent the problem?
Is there like a male jack to low impedance female jack thing that I could buy?
I was looking at these to go with the DT1770
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/48/o2-odac-combo-revb/
But I'd have to import it and that comes with a whole new set of challenges when it comes to support. And I'd have to pay a hefty toll fee, making them about as expensive as the Cambridge Amp+DAC.
>>53833930
>>53834170
http://www.headnhifi.com/dac/OBJ_O2_ODAC_digital2
It's like you don't even bother to check these things.
>>53834210
Sorry, I'll refer to my other post, I will also be needing an amplifier to go with it. I'd prefer an amp+dac combo.
>>53834033
>>53834183
You weren't kidding.
>>53834241
It has the O2 amp in there you stupid fuck, what do you think the volume control, gain switch and 1/4" socket are for?
>>53834210
>>53834241
lmao ignore this post
>>53832496
Audio fidelity is objective.
You can be a retard all you want, but please don't spread misinformation in a thread specifically intended to help people with no experience in headphones and audio.
>>53832496
If headphones are an individual activity, how does it make sense to say that "grados are good for rock" to another individual, for whom grados might not be good for rock?
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>53834210
>>53834253
Thx m8. Just ordered.
>>53834292
>Audio fidelity is objective.
Based upon what standard? The Harmon Curve? Flat FR? V-shape? It's kind of hard to be objective with an established standard.
>>53834310
>If headphones are an individual activity, how does it make sense to say that "grados are good for rock" to another individual
You've just mixed a refutation for one retarded argument as an argument in support of a different argument.
>The fuck are you even talking about?
The backlinks are there for you to get up to speed.
Is there something similar to MDR 7506 but with non-shit comfort?
Different pads are not an option since they alter the sound.
>>53834360
>It's kind of hard to be objective *without an established standard.
>>53834047
I wonder when Tesla Drivers will be good. It's a real shame because the drivers look amazing. DT1770s were a flop and so was the T1 v2.
I think the only good headphone to come out of the Tesla line was the DT1350s. I feel bad for the guy who spent 500 on those shitty DT1770s.
>>53834360
You made no arguments in your incoherent ramblings, so excuse me if I'm having trouble gauging the intent of your message.
>>53834390
T1 were a flop too. Apparently Beyer are working on a new flagship for this year, which will be priced above the T1.
Hopefully this will NOT be Tesla 3.0 and they do something radically different instead of reusing the same cups and headband. Something more fitting of an HD800 competitor and more importantly, something that sounds good.
>>53834405
>You made no arguments in your incoherent ramblings
You'll excuse me if I write off your attempt to marginalize what was written as "not arguments" as a pathetic and baseless attempt to self-justify not addressing what was written.
If you fail to understand the point given the backlinks I can answer any specific questions you have about it. But what you did does not in any way function to discuss the point or advance the discussion in any way.
>>53834382
if you dont mind open, the HD 558 might be even better
>>53833930
Not even a DAC/AMP combo will save you from that clusterfuck.
>>53834437
Really? Do you have a source on that? I want to check any info about them. It's seems hard for them to come back from the Tesla disaster, it took years and tons of R and D to make those, it's probably why they've stuck to the Tesla drivers for so long as making another investment on R and D would be costly.
>>53834544
http://www.head-fi.org/t/801647/upcoming-beyerdynamic-high-end-flagship-headphone-2016
Could just be bullshit.
>>53834360
The purpose of audio reproduction is to deliver the sound from the studio to your ears unaltered.
Studios utilize flat FR speakers located at an ideal distance. The harmon curve attempts to match the sound of a pair of headphones to the sound of a pair of perflat speakers sitting at a distance. That would be your standard.
Of course, individual variations in ear canal shape or skull shape will distort the sound, making the standard not ideal. But the standard is there, even if it is not practically possible to reach it yet. There is an objectively transparent sound signature for each and every ear on this planet.
What doesn't make sense, though, is trying to do the producer's job for him. If rock music really did sound better with a certain type of colored sound signature, that coloration would have been added DURING PRODUCTION STAGE.
If an album doesn't sound good on a perfectly flat pair of headphones, then it was simply not mixed well. Get another album, not another pair of headphones.
Also, soundstage is a stupid meme.
Soundstage is completely dependent on frequency response and there is nothing inherent in headpones that makes them have less soundstage.
The issue is that music is recorded in stereo, designed to be reproduced on speakers. Binaural recordings reproduced on headphones have as much of a soundstage as speakers.
>>53834664
>Studios utilize flat FR speakers located at an ideal distance. The harmon curve attempts to match the sound of a pair of headphones to the sound of a pair of perflat speakers sitting at a distance. That would be your standard.
[citation needed]
Given the range of products Beats by Monster puts out it seems pretty clear that their standard is nowhere near the harmon curve OR a "flat FR speakers located at an ideal distance." I believe this applies to Bose and Sony as well (though Sony tends to be a bit all over the place as they seem to try to please all of the people rather than having a particular sound signature).
>>53834664
not him but is it true that music produccers has been favoring bass over trebble nowadays?
>>53834706
So what part of frequency response correlates with a wider headstage and narrower headstage?
>and there is nothing inherent in headpones that makes them have less soundstage.
Driver placement/angle? Depth of enclosure between your ear and the driver?
>>53834242
How are these studio monitors... how are these 600 dollars... how does something this expensive have so many QC issues...why would anyone buy these?
>>53834713
Just because shitty pop-rap producers don't adhere to the standards doesn't mean the standards don't exist.
>>53834724
Maybe for pop music.
If you're listening to music on a pair of subjectively transparent headphones and the album doesn't sound good, then the one at fault is the producer, not your headphones.
>>53834746
>Driver placement/angle? Depth of enclosure between your ear and the driver?
You forgot to also mention open versus closed enclosure.
>>53834769
>ust because shitty pop-rap producers don't adhere to the standards
"It is a standard because I say it is a standard and it doesn't matter what the biggest names in headphones do."
Oh, do go on. I'm always interested in hearing about how one retard tries to claim multi-million/billion dollar corporations knows less about the audio industry than he does.
>>53834769
>Maybe for pop music.
you are right, it would make no sense to do that with instrumental
i think i saw that claim on a review on youtube
Looking for headphones, I've always used cheap 20 dollar headphones or something so I think I should go a bit higher than that this time haha
Budget - 50$ - 90$
US
Mostly PC
Full sized and wired, no mic or anything
Closed
And I usually listen to shoegaze
Not sure what I'm looking for, I don't really usually look in to this headphone stuff
>>53834777
Some people seem to be reporting no perceivable difference in headstge between the Ether and Ether C. It's generally accepted that open headphones are going to have a wider headstage but it doesn't seem to necessarily mean a closed headphone iis always going to be narrow and an open one wide.
>>53834824
nvx-xpt 100
about the comfiest you can get in that price range, really good sound too if you are coming from 20$ painful generic budget headphones
>>53834793
not him, but i think both are confusing the recording with the actual music, the flatness is necesary for the recording, since the producer has to listen exacly what is going to record, if he wants then he can colour the sound so it ends like he wants it,
>>53834793
Beats by Dre is simply a ploy to get fans of shitty pop music to buy headphones that sound best for shitty pop music that was mixed with Beats by Dre.
Music mixed with Beats by Dre compensated for the sound signature of Beats by Dre - > will sound as intended when reproduced from Beats by Dre.
Music mixed with flat sound signature -> will sound as intended from a pair of headphones with a flat signature.
The advantage of mixing with flat signature and reproducing with flat signature is that all music will sound equally accurate, whereas music not mixed with Beats by Dre will sound distorted when reproduced through headphones with a different sound signature.
>>53834746
>>53834777
Stereo recordings have slightly wider soundstage on headphones whose drivers are placed at an angle to the head, as opposed to perpendicularly. That's because they're mixed with speakers, which are placed in front of the listener, not at the sides.
Similarly, sound waves bouncing off the casing of the headphones will alter the frequency response, creating colored sound.
But if the original audio is mixed to have wide soundstage on headphones, then it will have wide soundstage on headphones.
>>53834846
Thanks m8, I'll give these ones a shot
>>53834889
>But if the original audio is mixed to have wide soundstage on headphones, then it will have wide soundstage on headphones.
So why is there a variance between headphones? What part of the frequency correlations to the entirety of headstage as mentioned in >>53834706
>>53834912
The biggest factors are the angle of the driver to the ears and the openness.
Closed headphones are colored. As simple as that. There isn't supposed to be a wall behind the audio source that bounces waves back into the ear.
It would be like listening to music from speakers that are turned to face a wall. Of course it's going to alter the sound.
Then there's the material the headphones are made of. Different materials will resonate at different frequencies and different shapes will alter the resonating sounds.
Of course, open back headphones don't eliminate the problem completely, the housings still resonate sound.
Why the fuck do people keep talking about the quality of DACs in smartphones?
DACs have been transparent for a long fucking while now.
It doesn't matter what kind of DAC your phone has.
![ATH_WS99BT_audio_technica_package__78782.1417559457.1280.1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dmIE4xu.jpg "ATH_WS99BT_audio_technica_package__78782.1417559457.1280.1280[1].jpg")
y/n?
>>53836464
>$250
Are you retarded?
I ordered these. What am I in for?
Will they sound better than Earpods?
This dude says it is not good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfT5Yw9YsY
>Budget
$200 max
>Location
USA
>Source
PC on board audio.
>Preferred type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
Will be used only at home. Open is preferred
>Comfort level
I want something that I can comfortably wear for hours.
>Preferred music
These headphones will primarily be used for gayming, but I will use them occasionally for music as well.
I like many genres, but I primarily listen to jpop and various other weeb shit.
>Past headphones
Gemini HSR-1000 and a bunch of shitty headsets I don't remember the names of.
I came looking for advice here after my HSR-1000 finally broke. I got them after somebody here recommended them to me. They were pretty good for a $40 pair of headphones.
Right now, I'm looking for something that is a bit higher quality.
Build quality is very important to me. I want a pair of headphones that will last for a while. I admit I don't know much about headphones, but my friend who knows more about this stuff than me recommended the HD 598.
I'd like a second opinion before I just buy the 598. Would it be good for my uses? I know there is a lot of brand loyalty surrounding these things, but I had heard the build quality of sennheiser headphones isn't that great.
I'm willing to spend up to $200 but I would like to spend a little less.
>>53824985
I know the guys here shit on em all day, but for a physically demanding job- Bluetooth, around the neck, in ear headphones are a game changer. Of course sound quality isn't as good but you'll never get a snag again
Ok serious problem here. I was jacking off and my cum flew into my HE400i ear cup. The driver is completely covered in cum. What the fuck should I do?
>>53837175
Rinse with warm water obviously
>>53836827
Get the hd598se. Best open headphones in that price range and you won't need an amp. last I checked they are on sale for $129 on Amazon.
>>53837175
Why is your driver exposed? Did you mod it that way?
Try wiping it with a wet tissue and then brushing the lint off with a clean tiny paint brush.
>>53837202
So, $30 more than the superior HD558
>>53836464
>SOLID BASS
>SOLID BASS
>SOLID BASS
>SOLID BASS
>Wireless
>SOLID BASS
>SOLID BASS
>>53837175
lick it off ;o
Here's the scoop:
Sony, Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic are the only headphone manufacturers worth a shit. Literally everything else is a meme.
And for all three of those manufacturers, their best headphones are below the $200 price range.
>>53837233
What makes you say that?
>>53837299
The fact that the HD558 are more neutral and can easily be made to sound identical to the 598 by removing some foam from behind the driver.
>>53837295
>x company is better than y company!
Fucking retarded.
>>53837312
The foam mod is such a bad meme.
HD558 are superior to HD598 stock
>>53837330
Nah.
Every other manufacturer is shit.
AKG are all shit. 10db 2khz peaks.
There used to be one sort-of worthwhile Audio-Technica headphone that was still shit, but it was acceptable for the price. Then it got popular and they jacked up the price by 200%.
Grados are garbage. Not even worth considering, colored as fuck.
Koss are mediocre all around. Their only worthwhile offering is an on-ear, and on-ears all suck.
Etymotics are meme tier ear dildos.
Xiaomi are chink shit.
The poorfag ripoff brands like tascam or takstar are good on paper, but they fall apart in literally weeks due to shit build quality.
![415d7714-34ab-4edd-87b0-a51e45f9ba66._CB308129086_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GFoaZMc.jpg "415d7714-34ab-4edd-87b0-a51e45f9ba66._CB308129086_[1].jpg")
>>53837295
>>53837433
Those are so bad.
>on-ears
lel
>>53837433
Have these, sound good but like all on-ear headphones they are uncomfortable as all shit and you can't wear them for more than an hour without your ears hurting like fuck.
2/10 would not recommend
Anyone have the pastebin for the iem guide?
>>53837519
Wiki
>>53837414
>Etys
>meme-tier
>doubting the unquestioned reference for accuracy
Hd598 or T50RP ??
How warm are the K7XXs? I've read that they're super comfortable but I've seen them claimed to be a little warmer than neutral all the way to bright
>>53837592
I already hate my iems for lack of sub-bass and having literally negative soundstage (music sounds like it's coming from inside of my skull), I'd hate to imagine what it feels like to have them stuck even deeper in my ear canal like some kind of ear dildos.
>>53837616
>(music sounds like it's coming from inside of my skull)
every headphone ever
>>53837605
t50rp.
Zeos was right, as usual.
>>53837626
tecnically music will sound as coming from just outside your ear most of the time, it's only with iems that it's actually inside.
>>53837446
>>53837504
but this is over ear
>>53837650
your ears must be fucked if parts of music that are centered during mixing like vocals aren't inside your head/in the middle
>>53837647
kill yourself you stupid fuck
>>53834912
>>53835033
Read up on HRTF, sound localization and headphone design, you chucklefucks. Depth of driver, open or closed don't mean shit to imaging and soundstage: only the frequency response (and possibly nonlinear distortion but that is likely benign).
>In open headphones, either the transducer itself is acoustically transparent (e.g. isodynamic) or the surroundings of the transducer consist of porous material. Reflecting surfaces are kept to a minimum in order to allow the pinna to diffract the sound undisturbed, i.e. without additional reflections as in a closed ear-piece. The resulting frequency response at the ear canal entrance contains the linear spectral distortions above 2 kHz characteristic of the individual ear. This is partially responsible for the natural sound of open headphones. The in-head localization (IHL) for closed headphones is frequently attributed to the lack of natural pinna reflections.
>However, from the point of view of the telecommunications engineer, this argument is unsatisfactory: a given frequency response can be produced by electrical filtering just as well. Thus a closed headphone can be corrected to have the same response as a given open headphone. They should therefore sound the same, and yet listening tests with normal stereophonic recordings confirm that IHL is worse with closed headphones.
Of course, genuine out-of-head localization (OHL) is not possible with intensity stereophony when the loudspeaker signals are fed unblended to the headphones. A signal component appearing only in one channel, e.g. cello on far right, is fed only to the right ear. Why is it then, that this cello sounds further away with open headphones and more definitely in the head with closed ones?
>In conclusion it can be said that under special conditions acoustic crosstalk can account for the OHL of open headphones, but psychological factors, such as audibility of ambient noise, override any physical mechanisms under normal conditions.
Skullcandy Hesh 2.0's or Phillips The Constructs?
I've had my constructs for 2 years and one cup started crackling a few days ago. I was about to get some new ones but my friends say they've had their hesh's for 5~ years now. I'm hesitant because of
>skullcandy
but these things have alot of positive reviews and the black ones logo is unseeable unless you're sitting right next to the person wearing it.
[spoiler]Unless you guys know of a better pair I can get for 30-40 bucks.[/spoiler]
>>53837706
>reflecting surfaces and diffractions
>"depth of driver, open or closed don't mean shit
Nice contradiction there. Or are you trying to imply whether a headphone is open or closed and the depth of the driver have absolutely no bearing on reflections in the cup?
>>53837725
headfi said skullcandy is garbage, tried at BB and didn't seem that bad
>>53837706
I think you've misread.
Both my post and the article you're copy-pasting.
How embarassing.
>>53837747
Did you even read the citation?
>However, from the point of view of the telecommunications engineer, this argument is unsatisfactory: a given frequency response can be produced by electrical filtering just as well. Thus a closed headphone can be corrected to have the same response as a given open headphone. They should therefore sound the same, and yet listening tests with normal stereophonic recordings confirm that IHL is worse with closed headphones.
It is a FR issue that equalization readily solves and it is your shitty placebophile mind imagining a superior image.
Source: Borwick's Loudspeaker and Headphone Handbook
>>53837783
Are you just going to conveniently ignore the last part of what you quoted?
>They should therefore sound the same, and yet listening tests with normal stereophonic recordings confirm that IHL is worse with closed headphones.
>>53837783
Of course it is a FR issue.
Everything is a FR issue.
It's just that the openness of a headphone does affect its FR in such a way that it reduces soundstage on stereo recordings.
>>53837812
Worse because of expectation bias, not some mechanism inherent to open headphones. Or about as credible as your amplifier changing the soundstage radically.
>>53836827
K612 and Fiio E10K
>>53837839
>Worse because of expectation bias, not some mechanism inherent to open headphones
>"now I'll just make shit up to justify my inability to read my own citation"
Holy fuck you're retarded.
>>53837725
Takstar pro 80
>>53837849
>>53837827
It is a FR issue equalization can fix.
>>53837605
The hd 598 is bad and the only people that think its good are sennshills
>>53837868
>imbecile halfass reads a paper on loudspeaker and headphone design
>thinks he knows it all now
"no"
>>53837670
KYS sennshill faggot
t50rp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hd598
>>53837868
Am i guetting this worng or are you saying that you can get better soundstage from a headphone with Equalization only?
>>53837881
>>53837898
what's wrong with them?
>>53837233
I've owned both. Got the h598se on a whim, ending up giving my old hd558 to a friend. They're similar but the new SE version extends more in the bass and the highs (they go as low as my hd650 now), and comes with 2 different sized cables. Worth the extra $30 imo
>>53837902
If that were the case everyone would just buy the JBL headphones with TruNote technology.
>>53837932
>They're similar but the new SE version extends more in the bass and the highs
Prove it. Your expectation bias and anecdotal evidence is meaningless.
>>53837890
Burden of proof is on you to show how openness and earpad depth affects soundstage, beyond >muh subjective impressions.
>>53837902
Pretty much, but you'll need a measurement rig.
>>53837946
>prove it
How about you go fuck your own ass?
Just giving my personal experience. You can shove your shit cans up your whore mother's cunt for all I care.
>>53837958
>Burden of proof is on you to show how openness and earpad depth affects soundstage, beyond >muh subjective impressions.
Please stop posting until you go learn how sound waves travel, reflect and diffract.
>earpad depth
That's not what I said at all.
>Pretty much, but you'll need a measurement rig.
I'll bet my six digit life savings that you don't have a measurement rig nor would you know how to operable even the simplest one or know what the results mean.
>>53837976
Reddit might care for your opinion.
>>53837988
>how to operate*
>>53837988
Your right, I should be like all the new redditfags on this site and call everything a meme. Hurrrr you like meneheadphones, your memefridge running you better go meme it! Hueheueeheueueh
>>53837958
Well, to be fair he didn't say opennes and earpad depth affects soundstage, you did, he said you think you know it all, you are the one making claims, which is funny because if you could prove it you'd do it just to show everybody you are right.
>>53837988
Yet the papers say otherwise. The ear is a pressure detector. Only the pressure wave that reaches the eardrum matters. Headphones can be equalized to reach an arbitrary target response and be expected to sound similar, pad reflections and openness be damned.
You sound like purrin at this point.
>>53838023
It's like you don't understand the concept of acoustic cues at all.
>You sound like purrin at this point.
And you sound like somebody who started reading NwAvGuy's blog last week.
Gentlemen, are closed back headphones quiet enough to not be heard by people next to me or do I have to go for IEMs?
I want to get something for work.
>>53838050
some closed-back isolate better than others, iem even better.
Where can I buy genuine LG Quadbeat 3s?
>>53838035
Yes I do, and I expect them to be below psychoacoustic thresholds unless proven otherwise.
>>53838023
>The ear is a pressure detector. Only the pressure wave that reaches the eardrum matters
So you can put two loudspeakers in the same corner, right next to each other, and no matter where in the room it will sound the same? Fuck off retard.
>>53838023
>>53838035
>you sound like "insert name calling here"
Aaand this debate is over, both can't prove shit.
>>53838050
IEMs
>>53838076
Not even the right comparison. Destructive interference is to be expected in your scenario and there will be indirect sound contributed by the room reflections. Nevertheless, the eardrum perceives the pressure wave that is the aggregate of speaker FR, room effects, destructive interference and the HRTF.
With headphones, I can take a closed headphone and equalize it to the HD650/DT880/Nighthawk/HD800 FR and it will sound just as open.
Fucking hell, the /r/headphones crowd is strong in this thread.
>>53838236
>I can take a closed headphone and equalize it to the HD650/DT880/Nighthawk/HD800 FR and it will sound just as open.
You're so unbelievably delusional. I assume you have Tascams and think you've EQ'd them into Etymotic ER4Ps.
You probably think the HD800's 6kHz's peak is a result of the driver's frequency response.
>>53838256
It isn't but it can be equalized out.
>inb4 muh time-domain
>>53838304
>hurdur everything can be EQ'd frequency response is 100% everything EQ can fix everything but I can't actually measure anything nor make a decent EQ but I just know EQ fixes absolutely everything
>>53831611
thanks guys
>>53838375
Protip: purchase advice is just a way to weed out newfags
we won't do your work for you
How'd I do, /hpg/?
>>53838406
Didn't read the thread at all apparently.
>>53838318
Prove that it doesn't without using subjective impressions or SBAF/Changstar/Head-fi/Reddit pseudoscience.
>>53838417
>literally zero reasons why 598s are bad
no, I'm pretty sure I did
>>53838050
YOu definitely do not need IEMs. Not that they're a bad choice... But closed backs that have decent isolation will not disturb people nearby... unless you blast the volume up really loud. But, the isolation works both ways. They can keep other people's noise OUT of your ears.
>>53838406
>make poop colored headphone for $150
>make a black colored headphone that sounds the same as the poop colored one for $100
>make a special black colored edition of the poop colored headphone for the same $150
>people buy the black colored $150 headphone instead of the $100 one
How does jewheiser get away with this?
>>53838500
You haven't proven that it does, you're the one claiming it does. You don't even know how the burden of proof works.
>>53838525
But I have. You haven't even begun to refute my first citation, kiddo.
Anyone use the Munitio PRO40's? They're on sale for around 75% off and it's tempting but I haven't heard much about them before so im skeptical.
>>53830410
Buy some cush bowls for the ears. They're on amazon for like $19 well worth it both for comfort and sound.
>>53838543
>You haven't even begun to refute my first citation, kiddo.
You mean the handbook you incorrectly cited because you didn't read it properly and had to damage control after being called out on it?
I think it's quite ironic that somebody like Tyll, who believes audiophile cables can make an audible difference, knows leaps and bounds more than you about every aspect of audio.
I've had these for 5 years and I don't care about you're opinion. I don't care about anything anymore...
>>53838586
Why did you post?
>>53838596
I can't help myself.
>>53837930
Veiled + Bad build quality
>>53838596
autism
I got a mint quality Benchmark DAC 1 pre for 500 bucks yesterday. God I'm so happy right now.
Driving the HE500
>>53834889
>Beats by Dre is simply a ploy to get fans of shitty pop music to buy headphones that sound best for shitty pop music that was mixed with Beats by Dre.
Begging the question fallacy.
>The advantage
No claim was made whether or not there was an advantage. The claim made was that it was a standard and yet there are real world examples which were provided which indicate to the otherwise.
Given the repeated posts without a citation I am left to assume you've got nothing to support your opinion but your own opinion, including badly reading other reports due to confirmation bias.
>>53838572
It wasn't incorrectly cited.
EQ will cause sound to be indistinguishable between open and closed. It doesn't in practice because of cognitive biases, like how some people think the Mjolnir has a wider soundstage than the O2. How more straightforward can it get?
>>53838762
You are an idiot.
Go back to headfi please.
