Previously on: >>53695838
Welcome to /fg/lt/, or as I've recently taken to calling it, /fg+lt/. We are always open to users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try GNU/Linux, you can:
0) Install a GNU/Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
1) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full GNU/Linux experience".
2) Dual-boot GNU/Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux)
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with GNU/Linux
Before asking, please search for answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe WINE can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
Your friendly neighborhood search engine (searx.me, ixquick, whatever)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/ (Most of the configurations and troubleshoots will literally work on various distros, including Debian)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/
>>53702211
first for debian
>>53702234
>apt
it's shit
I got 5 dubs. Come at me.
>>53702245
Distro memers have small lulus.
>>53702245
>Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
>>53702268
>lulus
?
>>53702294
fukken saved
>>53702294
>Linux
GNOOOOOOOOOO
On Nautilus, how can I customize the left sidebar to have Documents, Downloads etc at the very top, above Recent?
And also to show my / and Storage disks above +Other Locations?
Is the only thing I have to do to change to Debian Stable from Unstable is edit my sources file?
post your must-have GNOME shell extensions
>>53702393
to change to debian unstable from stable I mean****
>>53702393
yes, and then update, upgrade, and dist-upgrade until you're fully there
>>53702346
>1
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg_user_directories
>2
That's just bookmarks
You could add / to bookmarks but I don't think it's possible to add other disks
>>53702275
>calling out bad software is uncivilized
Is this the windows general?
Still playing w/ ImageMagick.
Can. Not. Stop.
Hey, this is the Wind-Cuck from the other thread, I think I've decided on going with Arch as my OS. What should I prepare for that you guys have messed up or had issues with when you guys got Arch?
>>53702516
Forgot sauce:convert -size 1920x1080 plasma:magenta-blue -swirl 180 -posterize 5 out.png
>>53702534
dont pick arch as your first ganoo plus leen ocks distro
start with debian, then move on to arch and finally switch to gentoo
>>53702534
you WILL run into issues, and the fun is solving these issues, + you will also learn from them.
My advice is dive into linux, DO NOT DUAL BOOT, because every time you fuck up you will just boot into windows and learn nothing.
>>53702556
Debian can be confusing for complete noobs.
>>53702534
Oh my god don't do it. Fucking hell.
If you try to use Arch you're almost guaranteed to be scared away from Linux and never try it again.
Beginners:
Use an Ubuntu flavor.
Use Linux Mint
Intermediate or Beginners who are willing to learn:
Use Debian
>>53702534
Just follow the beginner's guide properly and everything will install fine. However make sure to understand the partitioning section properly, the rest is really easy.
Following that the only other part that's truly a problem setting up for a first time user - for me anyway - is Xorg. You're going to want to install Xorg so you're able to use your WM/DE of choice. Personally I hate KDE but imo you should either go with it or Gnome until you learn a bit more about your system. Unless you truly want to dive in the deep end.
>>53702593
>Oh my god don't do it. Fucking hell.
>If you try to use Arch you're almost guaranteed to be scared away from Linux and never try it again.
You're an idiot, not everyone is retarded and sometimes they're able to follow basic instructions. Just because you struggled doesn't mean everyone will.
>>53702585
not as much as arch
t. recent complete noob
at least installing debian doesn't require a tutorial
>>53702579
Dualboot shouldn't be recommended anyway. I mean, imagine your first distro, the whole work setting everything up, and then you realized that you picked Fedora and need to stick with it.
>>53702534
I've used it and Arch really sucks. There's not much you can do with it that you can't with Debian.
It has some fun features but wait until you've had some experience with other stuff before diving in.
>>53702534
Don't follow random guides on the internet
Just use the archwiki and you will be fine
>>53702634
Did you manage things like sudo etc without trouble? (Just curious)
>>53702633
The newbie blood is on your hands m8, not mine
I actually run Arch on my laptop and had no issues installing, but I can definitely see why a newbie might struggle
>>53702556
>Dont Pick as First
>>53702579
>Will Run into issues
>>53702611
>Xorg can be difficult
>>53702593
I would consider myself as an Intermediate who is willing to learn, so I think in this case ill go with Debian instead, but how customizable and lightweight is Debian?
>>53702665
Nice thumbnail.
>>53702665
good job posting an image for ants and some random quotes.
>>53702665
Very much so. I imagine you would be very happy with it
>>53702665
Debian is the best shit around. If you choose minimal, netinstall, you can build your very own system, simliar to arch.
How can I debug sleep not working properly on my laptop?
I select sleep, the screen goes black and I can heard the HDD head park
But the power button LED is still on and the fans are still spinning (and the battery drains like normal)
>>53702665
Well if you're going to let memers intimidate you into not using Arch yeah you should probably just stick with a hand holding OS.
Debian isn't bad but that reason is stupid. Do what you want, at worst you waste a few hours of your time.
I am running Ubuntu mate 14.04 right now. When the new lts is released should I just update or do clean install?
>>53702665
Just a reminder. When you actually choose Debian, please don't fall for the term "stable". Stable means stable as in "my server needs to be up the next five years." Get testing or unstable. Debian breaks next to never.
>>53702716
>Debian breaks next to never
Can anyone confirm?
>>53702740
lnr2google
>>53702740
linux breakage is just a meme
not even arch testing breaks
>>53702685
>>53702688
Alright you guys, Ill be back, hopefully after the install. If all goes well ill join back in the thread
>>53702701
Im just concerned with the amount of space to fuck it up, not so much the memes
>>53702716
>>53702740
I would also like confirmation, if anyone can
>>53702740
All big distros with an active community next to never break (or fix it fast in case it happens)
>>53702784
godspeed anon
>>53702784
>I would also like confirmation, if anyone can
Pretty much none of the distros break on their own, only when the user fucks something up.
>>53702783
THIS. Arch broke X once. ONCE. Since then, everyone is parotting it, like it would break every week.
>>53702784
inb4 he accidentally overwrites his windows partition because he chose "guided" partitioning
Ooh boy.
>>53702805
... and then they create threads on /g/.
>Linux can't even X
>>53702696
look in /var/log/pm-suspend.log
I'm upgrading to debian unstable from stable. I've been reading the specifications for the sources.list file and seemingly I only have to change the distro/suite name from "jessie" to "sid".
However, some entries don't just have "jessie", some have "jessie/updates" and "jessie-updates".
I've been looking at documentation and I can't find information about these suite names so I can know if I can just change them to "sid-updates" and "sid/updates". Is that the way I should do it? Here's my sources.list file# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20160124$
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20160124-1$
deb http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
# jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
Shell wizards,
I've saved several ebin funny 1337 meme terminal screensaver scripts. I thought about a function, to use them as (real) terminal screensaver, so I read the bash docs and played with trap and TMOUT. Didn't really turn out like I want it.
The goal: Shell waits in background for user input. If no user input after 5 minutes, ebin script starts and runs until user comes back and stops it.
Ideas?
Generally what kind of people use tcsh, zcsh,
>>53702556
I did
ubuntu (for a couple of hours) -> debian (couple days) -> Arch (couple months) -> gentoo (current for past 3 weeks)
/flt/, what's you maximum archivement on:
running a VM in a VM in a VM ~
?
What's the difference between suspend and sleep? I need to know whether to use sleep.target or suspend.target in my service file.
>>53703062
>jessie/updates
I think that is the testing for jessie. You probably change it to sid too.
>>53703305
I'm convinced the people in those threads shilling for ads and adblock shaming are trolling. I just can't see someone coming here and saying that seriously.
> Font pasta:
General informations:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Fonts
Huge list of font resources:
https://github.com/brabadu/awesome-fonts
List of monospaced fonts for programming:
https://github.com/chrissimpkins/codeface
List of monospaced bitmap fonts for programming:
https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts
You may also need to enable bitmap fonts and rebuild the font cache:rm -v /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf
ln -s ../conf.avail/70-yes-bitmaps.conf .
fc-cache -v -f
Fonts patched with shitloads of icon glyphs:
https://github.com/ryanoasis/nerd-fonts
The Ultimate Oldschool PC Font Pack:
http://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/
Premade fontconfigs:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Infinality
Configure your own fontconfig:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration
Read the documentation:
file:///usr/share/doc/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html
>>53703371
New pasta(s) pls. Already read a million times.
>>53702658
isnt that just "apt-get install sudo" and "visudo" then put in my name in the list?
>>53703413
Make one. Merge it with this shit https://ghostbin.com/paste/ps6jk and drop a link. (Better than using the gay wiki).
>>53702245
We all know it's true but unfortunately on /g/ debian users are the new archfags.
Cancerous, annoying and pretty much everywhere.
>>53703497
Now that you brought us your butthurt, feel free to leave again.
>>53703497
>hating on Debian
What is wrong with you?
>>53703543
How do I get the third partition to show up in the file manager on arch?
>>53703581
>THE third partition
>THE file manager
u wot?
>>53703562
What file manager are you using?
>>53703587
Meant: >>53703581
>>53703587
the one true choice for patrician Linux users
dolphin
I'm on Gentoo, what's the best de for ricing?
>>53703606
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>53703630
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.
Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.
One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
>>53703606
cp, rm, mv, ls, master, race
>>53703629
>Gentoo
>DE
doing it wrong m8
>>53703587
Sda1 Root
Sda2 Swap
Sda3 Everthing else
sda3 isn't being listed on the file manager (Applications > File Manager) Clicking on "File System" under the DEVICES header only shows 26.9GB available when the harddrive has a capacity of 1TB. I'm new to Arch.
>>53703641
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.
You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.
Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?
>>53703641
>>53703661
I'd just like to interject for another moment. The person you're referring
as Linus has, in fact, done just a kernel for the GNU operating system,
or as I've recently taken to calling it, nothing. Linus is not a programmer
unto himself, but rather another leech in a fully functioning software team
made useful by GNU developers.
Many computer users run his lackluster version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the finnish reject
who is widely popular today is often called a "programmer", and many of
his followers are not aware that he stole his ideas from the GNU system,
developed by the GNU project.
There really is a Linus Torvalds, and these people are worshiping him,
but he is just another attention whore in the software world. Linus is an
egotist: someone who wastes resources to develop his knockoff kernel that
you run. Linus is not an essential person in the project and is useless by
himself; he can only function in the shadow of a complete software team.
>>53703661
If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:
Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.
Thanks for listening.
Sadly, a kernel by itself gets you nowhere. To get a working system you
need a shell, compilers, a library etc. These are separate parts and may
be under a stricter (or even looser) copyright. Most of the tools used
with linux are GNU software and are under the GNU copyleft.
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/historical/kernel/old-versions/RELNOTES-0.01
>>53703630
>>53703719
I use Alpine Linux
get rekt
>>53703719
>This isn't yet the "mother of all operating systems", and anyone who
hoped for that will have to wait for the first real release (1.0)
We're way past 1.0 now
>>53703731
I have used your mother.
>>53703648
>my knowledge about topics stems from memes
Hey, Win-Cuck is back. Which option is the best for installing or which did you guys use?
>>53703602
Anon beat me ... by a good fifteen minutes? I know I got distracted looking through my old images to find this, but didn't realise it took that long.
>>53703788
just fucking download it jeezles.
if you have a torrent installed, pick torrent.
if not, http
>>53703807
>installing a torrent client
>integrating it into your system
Nigga just run it standalone.
>>53703543
>>53703562
>>53703587
>>53703602
So let me at least give you good old Debian-tan.
>>53703815
Reminds me of: Anyone experience with aria2? I find very little on the web about it, but it seems it can torrent from the cli.
>>53703820
Sod.
>>53703832
derp
>>53703798
>>53703839
Isn't there one of this for Arch.
>250 packages light, nigga
>>53703864
Yes
>>53703864
yep, also for gentoo
>>53703869
ayyy lemao
>>53703869
Newfag using Debian here and bit off more than I could chew. I want to switch to Linux Mint, but
>how do I burn the iso image to my usb?
>how do I format my usb to wipe out everything?
>how do I make sure it has the right partition needed for a proper installation?
>>53703967
Debian should help you during installation.
For creating an usb - no idea. Haven't used windows since years.
>>53703967
Just use Rufus or something
>>53703967
>>53704001
no no no, I'm using Debian and want to move to Mint.
>>53703919pacman -Q | wc -l
951
pacman -Qt | wc -l
117
Feels good man.
Oh boy, hunting the archives for plebian pics I found this:
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic [it's reddit-tier] -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse/puke-inducing like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://gitgud.io/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript
Check out this page for any updates on the OP
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/
IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
>>53704022
Oh, then use dd
>>53703967dd bs=4M if=/path/to/your.iso of=/dev/sdx status=progress && sync
Where /dev/sdx is where your usb drive is (probably /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc). Just hit tab for auto-completion to help you.
>>53704040
>pacman -Qt
no, ur a qt :)
So I finally have a zfs pool made up of 4x4tb drives.
I don't have a spare ssd for cache so is there any tweaks I should apply? Write speeds have dropped quickly to 50ish mb/s.
I'm dropping 5tb of data on it though so I know it'll be faster in day to day use.
guys what is gentoo like? is it worth giving it a shot?
>>53703062
>>53703062
To answer my own question:
The whole security line with "jessie/updates" is to be removed because unstable doesn't get security updates.
As far as I have read "jessie-updates" doesn't apply to unstable either; so we can delete those lines as well.
>>53703967
Also, don't switch to Mint, switch to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 if you want. Mint is not very secure.
I do recommend the normal Ubuntu 16.04 with mir and unity 8 though. Unity has gotten quite good.
Is pic related correct?
>>53704080
>recommend the normal Ubuntu 16.04 with mir and unity 8
oh god no
it's not ready for primetime yet
only use if you like using a mobile UI on a desktop
>>53704099
depends who you ask.
I assume this one was made by some frustrated debian user.
>>53704040
This is a fully working desktop with browser, music player, video player, and everything.
Can't archive something like that with binary distros.
To all you crazy Debian Unstable users, do you useapt full-upgrademost of the time without issues? I just switched to unstable and wonder if I should just useapt upgradefrom now on.
Guys, I have a question regarding gpg's web of trust.
So, whenever I import a public key from someone I know in person, having checked the fingerprint, I like to sign it, to indicate gpg I trust that key. At this point, when I dogpg --list-sigI can see the key along with my signature.
However, when I export said key:gpg --export -ao pub.key, and import it into another computer, doinggpg --list-sigdoes not return my signature, meaning I did not export the key with my signature, only the key itself.
This begs the question: How do I safely share person B's pub-key (signed by me) to person C if person C can't see/verify my signature?
Am I missing something here? Should I sign the key using thegpg -s pub.keyafter I export it, and have C verify it like it was a regular file (gpg --verify pub.key)? Is that how it's done? If so, then how can keyservers hold signatures associated with keys? (I don't use keyservers yet, I'm fairly new to gpg, as you can tell)
Learn SELinux with redhat today!
https://people.redhat.com/duffy/selinux/selinux-coloring-book_A4-Stapled.pdf
>>53704374
Thank you anon, I was looking for a nice SELinux guide (That isn't that "SELinux for mere mortals" bullshit)
>>53704374
OK, I've been meaning to gain a better understanding of SELinux, and the fact that this even exists warrants getting out the tablet to dutifully colour everything.
>>53704132
sql and php are coming with alot of packages, without all that programming stuff i would be sitting on 400packages
3032
Win-Cucks last question, I have the ISO downloaded, if I mount it directly without using a real cd or DVD, will I be fine going through with the installation?
>>53704457
Took some time to get going, but here we are. Cats and dogs, got it. I'm an animal person, so this might stick!
>the package count meme
>no having 2k of lib* and -dev packages installed
>>53704718
download rufus and burn it to an usb flash drive
What program holds the record of the most dependencies?
>>53704799
KDE's filepicker
>>53704745
OK, this was confusing until I realised this page and the next should be next to each other. I was afraid the cat was going to eat the dog's food! But don't worry.
What /flt/ think about openSUSE? I've been thinking about it for some time.
Seems like a good choice to start with. I read about the other distros, but this is the one which drew my attention the most.
>>53702665
Just as customizable, more lightweight.
>>53704860
Needs a better logo.
>>53704860
yast is poop.
and besides yast* opensuse is pretty much fedora with green artwork on top of it.
But openSUSE leap looks promising as a concept.
I installed it day one and it failed to deliver unfortunately.
Maybe they fixed it since then.
>>53704197
please respond...
>>53704846
Kernel has everything under control. Dog gets the dog food and cat has to make do with cat food.
>>53704906
They sure seem to be enjoying it.
>>53704041
too bad the debiannewbiescript requires an account
>>53704073
If you want to run gentoo, go for it. What are you looking for in a distro?
>>53704968
Oh no! In my enthusiasm towards animals, I have failed to properly take in what they are trying to learn me! They were just being obedient before, but now with SELinux we can make sure they stay that way.
>>53704753
>using a distro that splits lib/headers packages
it's shit
Okay, I'm currently going to school for I.T. with that said, what makes Linux or any of its derivatives so good? What is the Linux experience like? Any tips for going to Linux?
>>53705075
Fido, how could you! Look how hungry and sad poor Spot is. This MCS enforcement sure seems important.
>>53705097
>what makes Linux or any of its derivatives so good?
gentoo
>What is the Linux experience like?
gentoo/10
>Any tips for going to Linux?
install gentoo
>>53705097
>what makes it good
Freedom
>what is the GNU/Linux experience like
like flying with wings of your own
>tips
it might be scary at first, but never ever go back
>>53705171
kek
>>53705097
In a year or 2 you'll realize how much of the world is actually using GNU+Linux, and you'll need to use it for some of your own shit too (unless the school is garbage).
>what makes Linux or any of its derivatives so good?
In general, GNU+Linux can do whatever you need to do, and do it very well. It also helps that you can automatize pretty much everything with some simple shell scripting. Also, pretty much every tool ever has a commandline interface, which are a godsend to work with.
>What is the Linux experience like?
Amazing. Depending on how you start, it might have a little learning curve, but nothing a sane human can't manage.
>Any tips for going to Linux?
Don't listen to /g/ for any advice.
>>53705161
That's better.
>>53704041
babbies first linux should be readded to op
most spammed question
>>53705214
OK, serious mode for a moment. That penguin is scary as fuck.
>>53705270
I'm going to have nightmares about it.
>>53705270
I am become kernel, destroyer of worlds.
>>53705304
Some new dogs enter the fray! The 60s, huh? This stuff dates way back. I don't care much for chihuahuas generally, but I wouldn't want it to choke.
>>53705310
Oh gods help
What's that one popular GTK theme with the OS X-esque min max close buttons?
>>53705030
i am looking for a distribution that makes me learn how to code libraries and has a helpful community
Hi /g/flt/
I took the dive deep into Linux and now wondering how I can security harden my distros (Arch and Debian)
Give me some topics and suggestions to study. In return I can share what I did in a pasta
Already in my topic:
-DNSCrypt
-RBAC or MAC
-Grsecurity
-PaX
-Apparmor
>>53705401
install gentoo hardened
>>53705369
Greyhound turns out to be the alpha dog.
Can someone post the arch installation guide image?
I'm finally going to install Arch... on an i3 8gb RAM 256gb ssd Dell Chromebook 13.
>>53705418
Gentoo is not as practical. But regardless the security measurements that are taken should be distro independant
>>53704071
It's a striped mirror btw but I did expect a bit more performance than 50-70mb/s...
Hey /flt/, I'm having 2 small problems with my arch install.
First is that youtube videos load, but don't play on chromium. I have to restart it a few times before they start playing, and that's if they do. Any idea what could be wrong?
Second is that arch doesn't seem to want to play nice with my usb headphones, not recognizing my microphone. I tried messing with alsa, but couldn't figure it out
>>53705445
1. Boot into the ISO
2. Connect your phone and tether internet connection via USB port
3. ip link
4. dhcpcd <one of the service name shown in ip link>
5. ping -c 3 www.blacked.com (if not connected go back to 4)
6. wget archfi.sf.net/archfi
7. sh archfi
8. Next is a select-install process
>>53705398
In my experience, the Gentoo (and Funtoo) communities are helpful, but they won't help if you refuse to make some basic attempts at solving your own issues.
"Coding" libraries is possible on every distro. I do prefer Funtoo myself because Gentoo and derivatives are incredibly easy to customize to what you need, and it's pretty easy to write a simple ebuild to test your shit out on your own system.
>>53705433
But being a dog, cat food is still off limits!
>>53705468
>usb headphones
they're shit
>>53705537
Thus our little lesson into the workings of SELinux is abruptly brought to an end, with page 14 being blank. I for one learned something today and I hope someone else did too!
>>53705533
> www.blacked.com
Kek
>>53705537
Why is the kernel such an asshole?
>>53705574
I know, but it's what I have and they'll have to work
>>53705629
I for one am starting to wonder if the people suspicious of SELinux might be on to something after all.
>>53705536
thats actually very good.
what about the hardware is gentoo capable of getting your full hardware capacity?
>>53702211
OpenSuse or Ubuntu for beginners?
Want to switch from Win7 since it's slow as fuck and no driver support for Win10.
Which one is less resource hungry since I would be installing a Win 7 into a virtual box just for some specific software.
>>53705761
Ubuntu, no question.
>>53705779
With Unity, XFCE or Mate?
How Can I minimally install Ubuntu? Is it even possible?
What's an Unetboot alternative to Debian 8? I want to install another OS. dd doesn't work btw, I've tried that already.
>>53705849
you want something to burn the live ISO? Try rufus if you're on windows.
>>53705877
Thank you but I'm on Debian 8, which does not have the Unetboot packages yet........(...)
Win-Cuck here, about to boot Debian. See you Faggots on the other side.
>>53705916
Oh, sorry. I'm really high.
>>53705927
make sure you get the wireless firmware first.
>>53704718
>Cisco Packet Tracer
Btw, he wont even get it started
>>53705694
Probably depends on your hardware. I have no issues whatsoever on my desktop or my laptop. I do use opensource video drivers, but had no trouble with the proprietary nvidia drivers either. AMD proprietary drivers are meh-ish. Some releases they Just Werk™, other releases they're broken beyond repair. If you don't care about gaming much, the opensource drivers will do anything you need anyway, so this is a moot issue.
>>53706008
i dont game either.
why do you use funtoo instead of gentoo any reason in particular?
Ok what is this selinux shit all about. Is it cool? Should I use it? Am I already using it? What the hell? I want to be with cool..
>>53706091
If you have to ask then it's probably not worth it for you, especially for desktop use.
>>53706054
Uses git by default for portage, no systemd, drobbins supports it. The only sane reason out of that list is probably the git by default for portage. Not getting systemd shoved down my throat is nice as well though.
If you dont want to spend time endlessly recompiling and rebooting into a new kernel, hoping it's right this time (a common scenario for new users), Funtoo also provides the debian-sources package to just install a debian kernel that supports pretty much everything. It even has this kernel precompiled in the stage3 tarbal to get you up and running quickly.
>>53706340
I love systemd.
>>53705806
It's up to you. Personally, of the three, I would choose MATE. But later on, you may decide to use a tiling WM. Those are great.
>>53705821
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
>>53706481
just found that, but I guess I'll stick with arch
Just fresh installed. See those little boxes where the arrow should be to image search on 4chan? What font do I need to install for that?
>>53706535
did you set up your locale properly? it's a unicode character.
>>53706631
locale outputs everything resolving as en_US.UTF-8.
>>53706535
Restarting chromium fixed it.
I installed arch last week, but I have no idea how to set up wireless with wpa-supplicant. I've been running the wifi-menu command you see in the beginners guide everytime I restart my computer.
>>53706716
What you need to do is enable it permanently. wifi-menu should have saved a profile for this, which you can use with netctl:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/netctl
>>53706716
If the problem is that it goes away on boot, then I agree with >>53706740. Usenetctl enable profilenameand it'll start (if I'm not wrong) with other services in Systemd.
>tfw Get:1234 is done
So, what's the state of Wayland?
What theme is this?
i'm a trap btw
>>53707153
X is fine, that's it's state.
Seriously, why fix something that isn't broken?
>>53707158
Numix circle icon theme. The gtk theme? I don't know, and I don't care.
>>53707158
>>>/desktop/
>>53707167
>X is fine
>X isn't broken
I'm using debian and have no need for aptitude as i always use apt-get. Can I just apt-get remove aptitude? My instinct is that aptitude is built on top of apt-get so it should be fine. any thoughts?
>>53707247
Yes that should be fine, using the 'purge' option may cause some issues; I'm not sure. Also you should use apt instead of apt-get, it's a more modern tool and has neat stuff like colors and ASCII status bars.
>>53707158
Dunno but I just made a slightly similar looking theme just a few hours ago
Still needs some fine-tuning though
>>53707346
Yeah it went without a hitch. Thanks for the tip on apt. The colours are kind of nice. Is it any different at all in how it works? I kind of have apt-get in my muscle memory now
>>53707346
>>53707419
There doesnt seem to be an autoremove equivalent as far as i can see
I apologize in advance for my ignorance, but what exactly is GNU/Linux? For the most part, I could only really find things on the name controversy, but not a lot about the OS itself and why it's better/worse compared to Windows or OS X.
>>53707462
Oh yeah, that's the only reason I've found to use apt-get; for the autoremove option. I don't believe there's an equivalent in apt. If anyone else knows if there is or if it's done in combination with another option feel free to tell.
>>53707498
GNU/Linux is what Stallmanists call Linux. Most Linux distributions come with a lot of software made by GNU so they think the operating system should be called GNU.
>>53707528
That seems like a real step backwards to me. Never mind though, I guess for me needing autoremove only happens like once a month
>>53707419
There is no equivalent to apt-cache policy neither.
>>53707611
Well... The GNU project set out to create a whole free operating system, and was responsible for eg gcc, the coreutils, and so on. Linus Torvalds just put a (admittedly key) piece of the puzzle together in the form of the kernel itself, which he called linux. Over time, Linux began to be used to refer to the whole OS, which people who devoted decades to developing for GNU might htink is a bit of a slight, since Torvalds just kind of swanned in and got his name accepted. I call it linux all the time, but i can see why people would want recognition for coming up with the idea and developing all the tools, etc etc
>>53707627
Yeah I don't know why they wouldn't include it. But it's not like you're going to remove apt-get from your system, so you still always have the option.
Call me paranoid, but is there any way the Windows 10 botnet can somehow access files on a Linux partition installed next to it?
No, r-right?
>>53707667
Maybe I will for an ultra minimal installation... wget and dpkg for everything!
>>53707665
Sorry, you've lost me - could you explain?
>>53707692
Technically it could if it's not encrypted
>>53707770
But windows can't read ext4 file systems
>>53707696
>Sorry, you've lost me - could you explain?
Not that guy, and I don't know what that option does, but apt-cache is another interface for the package manager, just like apt or apt-get. I don't know much about it but, instead of downloading and removing packages, I believe the options are suited towards showcasing data about the packages. You can read about it atman apt-cache
>>53707791
natively no
but there are working ext drivers
>>53707817
Are there other different distributions with different versions like Debian?
>>53707846
oops, didn't mean to quote you.
>>53707799
Decided not to be spoon fed for once and did some googling... Youre right about apt-cache being more about info. Seemsapt-cache policy package_namegives information on the priority of software sources, and the priority of updates (i.e. when to upgrade when using apt-get upgrade, i think), linking in to aptpreferences, so literally "what is apt-get's policy on package x". No idea when or how you would use it - as I said I use debian so pretty much stick with stock stuff for all the important system bits
WIN-KEK here, installation was a success. Debian 8 Is running pretty smoothly so far. What should I do now my new brothers?
>>53707960
cuck not kek
>>53707960
Do your work
Learn bash/another scripting language
Customise
all in all just use your machine for what you want to use it for. People seem to think there is some catch after installing linux, like you now need to do something special or different or whatever. But no, like windows, just watch some porno or make some memes or watch a movie or whatever it is you do
>>53707960
Now is the time to feel like a smug elitist
>>53707960
A few things
1. Install 'sudo'
2. Decide whether you want to use 'aptitude' or 'apt-get'. I don't know if it's true, but it's supposed to be best practice to pick one and stick to it. Personally I use aptitude.
3. Upgrade to Debian Testing before you do much. That way, it won't be a hassle to deal with dependency conflicts. All you have to do is thissudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
and change all the instances of 'jessie' to stretch. CTRL-X to close, it will prompt you to save. Press Y. Press Enter to overwrite the file.
Now do aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, and aptitude dist-upgrade, in that order. Or, you know, apt-get if you picked that.
4. Customize GNOME at your leisure. There should be a gnome tweaks application by default in your menu. You can do all sorts of neat stuff with it
5. The rest is up to you - trust me, you'll become curious about things all the time and you'll look them up and/or ask here and you'll learn more and more every day on how to do pretty cool stuff on your computer
And aside from all this, well, you know, use your computer for whatever you used it before. :)
>>53708036
>>53707960
also, when you're upgrading to Testing (stretch), religiously make sure you've got all the packages until it tells you there's 0 things to install. And now you're in great shape to do whatever you wish
>>53708036
No real need to install sudo imo. Actually i think its better not to
The rest is good advice though
>>53707960
read this
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
so that you don't commit newbie mistakes, like trying to add PPA's Ubuntu style. You don't wanna do that if you can avoid it
The Debian repos should have virtually everything you need, specially in stretch(testing) and sid(unstable).
>>53708036
>testing instead of unstable
ISHYGDDT
>>53702211
I've got a G15 keyboard, and G15daemon starts, but then stops until I start it back up with service. How do I get it to cooperate?
>>53708069
It's habit for me. I don't feel comfortable staying on su for extended periods of time. I prefer sudo for most of my business
>>53708083
Testing is a pretty good balance between stability and new stuff, my man. not everyone is interested in absolute bleeding edge
>>53707960
Also, go to your file browser (Nautilus) and to your home directory. Look for an option to the top right to show hidden files. In Linux, hidden files always start with a '.' in their name. Check out .bashrc, you can set a bunch of aliases there for cool shortcuts on then terminal. Check out programs in the install gentoo wiki, ask around for recommendations, research - you're gonna find really cool shit for all purposes.
Also it might help you to have a graphical package manager sometimes. Go ahead and install Synaptic as well. Maybe look into Guake, pretty neat drop-down terminal, but that's just my preference
>>53708129
>>53708069
>>53708036
Debian doesn't come with sudo installed? Why? Isn't it part of the GNU core utilities?
>>53708164
It comes with sudo installed, I think he's talking about adding yourself to the sudoers file.
>>53707998
But can you do all three of those at once?
A few programs I like available on Debian's repos:
For e-books
>Calibre
For music
>Clementine
For pictures
>Viewnior
>For e-mail
IceDove (Thunderbird rebranding, it's the same. Also, on the same vein, Iceweasel is the same as Firefox, just rebranding. In fact in Testing it's already just Firefox, thankfully)
>For partitioning business
Gparted
>Video
mpv and VLC
>>53708170
>>53708164
It doesn't come with sudo installed, no. At least it didn't for me when I installed Jessie. It probably has to do with setting a root password during installation. if you don't set it, sudo is probably installed.
>>53708164
>>53708170
I think sudo is installed if you DON'T specify a root password. From there, you have to log in as root and download it.
>>53708177
meant for
>>53707960
also check out the gnome shell extensions, they're dope
What are the dangers of having a FrankenDebian?
>>53708129
The point is you su for the minimum necessary time. If you are doing really intensive stuff then endlessly sudoing is as likely to end in problems as just being su
>>53708164
>>53708170
My netinst didn't, can't speak to the more full-fledged versions
>>53708188
This is possible also
>>53708171
Yeah they were just ideas. How he goes about it is his business
>>53708198
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian
>>53708036
> you're upgrading to a rolling distribution, you put in the codename, you have to change it again after next release
just put testing or unstable, not stretch
Mint Cinnamon or Ubuntu MATE for someone transitioning from Windows on a 1.8x2 i3 + 4gb RAM laptop?
Thanks /g/urus.
>>53708267
Seeing as Mint is basically Ubuntu, this is basically a cosmetic choice. Go with the one you think looks prettier.
Also, Linux Mint is ran by a community, and Ubuntu is ran by a corporation.
Ubuntu tends to have more resources and update faster but their decisions can sometimes bring us pause
