Previously on: >>53686408
Welcome to /flt/, we are always open to users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are four ways to try GNU/Linux, you can:
0) Install a GNU/Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
1) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full GNU/Linux experience".
2) Dual-boot GNU/Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux)
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with GNU/Linux
Before asking, please search for answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe WINE can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
Your friendly neighborhood search engine (searx.me, ixquick, whatever)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/ (Most of the configurations and troubleshoots will literally work on various distros, including Debian)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
https://prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/
> Pasta:
https://ghostbin.com/paste/ps6jk
>>53695738
somewhat related to your question:
check out a program called Guake. it's a terminal that drops down from the top of the screen whenever you press a toggle hotkey. It's reminiscent of the terminal in the old Quake games. it's pretty customizable, and pretty neato.
I installed the solarized theme for both it and my regular terminal. Google it and see if you like it, you're bound to find instructions to install
>>53695901
>solarized
>>53695918
Just because you dislike it doesn't mean everyone has to dislike it anon
>>53695918
this
I don't get why solarized is so popular
It's so shitty
>>53695901
>wolfram mathematica
>>53695901
Still puzzles me why this gimmick is so popular with some people.
Posting this for the guy in the other thread to make sure he sees it.
>>53695858
Download it.
Run this command:
cd ~/Downloads && wget http://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/download/ultimate_oldschool_pc_font_pack_v1.0.zip
Once that is done, download "Unzip".
sudo apt-get install unzip,
then run
unzip * assuming it's the only zipped file in your /home/user/Downloads directory. If it isn't, write unzip then a bit of the name of the zipped file, then hit "Tab" to autocomplete.
Once that's done, copy the font file from Px497, or whatever the directory that's been unzipped is called, to ~/.fonts . If ~/.fonts doesn't exist, make it. Once you've copied the font file into that directory, run fc-cache -fv, then reboot. Then check your preferences and apply the font.
>>53695956
because it's nice and I'm used to dropdown terminals in games, so it feels natural?
>>53695956
It's nice to have a terminal that's quickly and easily accessible from any workspace, without cluttering them up.
There's no nostalgia or whatever involved for me, but I would never want to be without it. Tilda+tmux is love.
>>53695978
just tried it , pretty good , it's easier to just hit 1 key to open terminal than ctrl + alt +t
urxvt -geometry 222x30+12+45 -pe kuake'<Scroll_Lock>'
>https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/878620-the-best-linux-distros-of-2016
discuss
>>53696050
>the-best-linux-distros-of-2016
>linux-distros
Not worth the click.
>>53696067
this desu
>>53696050
>mfw
>>53696050
>most customizable category
you can put this rank in the garbage anon
Our friend Swapnil Bhartiya has troubles understanding that all linux distributions are equally customizable.
Not to mention in such category a solid winner would be gentoo, lfs, slackware etc not fucking arch.
>>53696101
Hey bro, you're looking at THE Indian Tyler Durden.
>>53696050
>the last comment
>>53696147
>>53696124
>having to uninstall and reinstall DE and/or WM
>>53696147
10/10
I am at a family members house.
She has 14.10 installed, how do I upgrade? Repository is 404
>>53696337
upgrade to what?
>>53696337
>upgrading an ubuntu distro from an existing install
You are playing with fire, my man
It's always recommended to do a clean install for major updates
Besides, it's better to wait until 16.04 rolls by
Is there a distro that ships LXQt?
If no how do I install it just to try it out?
>>53696388
God ubuntu is so fucking shit.
>>53696399
It's okay. I much prefer using Debian testing though.
>>53696337
>>53696399
Honestly, most times a version update goes bad, it's because the user has been messing around with the system. It's generally pretty solid, at least for the general distributions.
But in this specific case with 14.10, installing from scratch definitely seems like the option that'll present the least hassle. Upgrading through multiple releases doesn't sound fun. I know the Fedora folks are working on supporting release-skipping version updates, but I'm guessing that's not already a reality in Canonical land.
>>53695900
Imagemagick wizards: How to make the background transparent?
Why does /proc/acpi/battery/ not exist?
gentoo genkernel-4.5.0
macbook pro
battery module is loaded
>>53696527
>MBP
>proprietary iBattery(TM) technologicks
>>53696527
check out sys > class > power_supply
>>53696527
>I dont always install gentoo, but when I do, I do it on a Mac.
>>53696561
Battery status works in other distros (ubuntu, debian, arch) so that's not the reason.
>>53696566$ ls /sys/class/power_supply
ADP1
is it true linux users cant even agree on what filesystem to use?
Is it possible to share files and use them when different people are using different filesystems? like fat, ntfs, ext2-5, btrfs, xfs
http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/tree/tpb
How do I install this?
>>53696585
Save http://pkgbuild.com/git/aur-mirror.git/plain/tpb/PKGBUILD as PKGBUILD then run makepkg in the same directory
>>53695956
It's really natural and great for quick n dirty tasks. I used to use a tiling wm but if I'm not it's the most convenient
Which linux is this? I'm totally amateur.
>>53696607
Mike distro
Why is dmenu so pupular? I mean, I wrote some scripts for it, but actually never use it. Did I miss something important?
>>53696607
xfce
>>53696583
The file systems have different benefits
>>53696583
epic trolling
>>53696632
I think it's mostly dmenu_run that's popular.
>>53696598
Thanks, that worked!
>>53696712
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PKGBUILD
>>53696523
Literally -background transparent.
>>53696853
I fucked it up. ;_;
>>53696578
I always had the impression that gnu/linuxing on a macbook is fairly easy since there's very little hardware variety between them and even if apple/chain supplier doesn't provide linux drivers for it there will be always some autists who will just reverse engineer drivers for this particular device.
I mean, you can install coreboot/libreboot on some of them.
>>53695838
Anyone using Mint ?
>>53695838
Anyone using LXQt?
>>53695838
Anyone using Gentoo?
>>53695838
Anyone using their small penises for anything else except anime?
>>53697035
Sometimes I nudge people with it, mostly without them knowing.
>>53695838
Is there a comparable screenshot tool to ShareX under Linux?
Shutter is utter garbage (no pixel-accurate cropping while taking a screenshot, no configurable hotkeys in gui)
Is it really worth it to run ShareX in wine?
>>53697046
>nudging anything with small vagina-like benis
>>53697059
scrot, imagemagick, gnome-screenshot, xfce4-screenshooter, mate-screenshot, fileshare
>no pixel-accurate cropping while taking a screenshot
what on earth is that even supposed to mean?
are you implying that any of these tools take a screenshot at x.5 of a pixel or something?
get gud faggot
What's the best loonix for an ancient netbook?
It's an old Aspire One ZG5.
>>53697130
4.5
>>53697130
xubuntu
ignore this faggit >>53697156
>>53697059
Nothing comes close to ShareX unfortunately.
>>53697167
There's literally nothing wrong with 4.5.
>>53697167
Thanks, I was having trouble deciding between lubuntu and xubuntu for this netbook
>>53697059
I wish. I think you can hack apart shutter to Screencloud to make it do something you want, it's the closest to ShareX out of the box. It's still nothing compared to ShareX though.
>>53697128
Wording was not the best.
I'm talking about a magnifier which shows which pixel your cropping borders lie on when taking a screenshot of a portion of your screen, pic related.
I don't think any of your solutions offer any kind of magnifying to pick the cropped portion at all.
Fileshare looks most promising though, so thanks for the hint.
>get gud faggot
>friendly loonix bread
:(
>>53697292
Shutter has that.
>>53697343
Shutter can't do neat shit like upload on the fly when you take a shot.
>>53697059
In case you are referring to the GNU/Linux operating system, I suggest to use ImageMagick's import tool.
>>53697128
>scrot
No idea why people install this shit, seriously.
>>53697361
>No idea why people install this shit, seriously.
same reason why people install arch
>>53697377
Guys, what's the best way to sync my iphone with the libraries in my Debian desktop?
I looked it up on the Debian wiki but their guides seem to be for iOS 5 or so, meaning, very outdated
Is there any elegant solution available on the repos, or should I try to run iTunes under Wine?
Does anyone draw art? I find myself booting back to Windows because I have Paint Tool SAI set up exactly how I want it, but is there a similar program for Linux that works with Wacom tablets?
>>53697361
>>scrot
>No idea why people install this shit, seriously.
its a dependency for screenfetch
>>53697406
>iphone
>debian
Why are you hurting my feelings, anon?
>>53697416
Can we not do this whole "brand war" or "distro war" thing for like 8 seconds? That's all /g/ is now, is "my choices am better than your choices".
>>53697411
Krita is made for drawing. Possibly Inkscape as well
>>53697416
Please tone down the elitism, my man
Just help me out
>>53697343
>>53697352
Don't care about uploading on the fly, but you're right, shutter has that, thanks!
Any chance on configuring hotkeys from within the application (or some config file) or do I have to set system-wide hotkeys calling shutter with command-line-options?
>>53697416
>greentexting Debian
Why?
>>53697469
>not using meme arrows for everything
>2016
Disclaimer: Please don't reply with hate or negative shit, I'm just looking for advice
To anyone who uses Steam, what skin do you use for the client? The default is obviously very ugly. Back in Windows I used the Metro skin, but I'm not sure if I could be overlooking one that fits better with GNOME or other environments. What do you guys use for it?
>>53697416
>autism texting debian
Why are you such a faggot, anon?
I use gentoo but debian is clearly one of the better distros.
>>53697411
The author of Go Get a Roomie used Krita for quite some time and was apparently pretty happy with it.
I think she's not using it any more but I don't quite remember why. Probably something along the lines of Ubuntu not playing well with new laptop or tablet, prompting decision to try something new while switching things up anyway.
>>53697444
I'm trying to help you.
The first step to solve you problems is to throw your phone out of the window. It's a hard step, but you need to do it. The phone must break, so you can't be used by it anymore.
>>53696583
>is it true linux users cant even agree on what filesystem to use?
Some want something stable, some want more features.
The choice is between xfs ext4 and btrfs.
>Is it possible to share files and use them when different people are using different filesystems? like fat, ntfs, ext2-5, btrfs, xfs
Yes you can share files between them.
But you can't store multiple btrfs snapshots on an ext4 system without running out of space.
>>53697501
Oh, grow up for fuck's sake
>>53697492
>iphone
>steam
>debian
Obvious troll is obvious. This can't be real.
>>53697520
Yes, yes, we saw your previous post.
>>53697520
>friendly thread
>posts like this
Please contain your sperging just for one thread, alright?
>>53696583
That's a funny way to put "Linux let's you choose what filesystem to use"
And yes, You can read files from any of those filesystems on Linux, only if you want your files to be readable in Windows you'll have to put them in NTFS. And that's just because Windows only supports NTFS.
>>53697501
>The phone must break
its an iPhone. Shouldnt require much effort
>>53697516
You don't understand. You are addicted to apple dick and I'm trying to help you.
>>53697559
Haha
Can we get back on topic or are you going to keep circle jerking
>>53697573
Let's do this.
>>53697560
>addicted to apple dick
>own just a phone made by them
okay, yeah that makes sense
>>53697560
>implying appledick is not comfy once its ballsdeep in there
and thus another /flt/ is derailed by autism, and many a newbie scared away
>>53697548
Windows also supports FAT and FAT32
>>53697589
Well, it made you actually thinking about to infect your Debian with itunes. You are thinking about to hurt yourself.
>>53697619
iTunes is the last choice. Which is why the first choice was asking around here to see if anybody knew of free software that could sync to a current iphone. Because I looked up info on the Debian wiki and found info about ancient iOS versions only.
>>53697611
>and many a newbie scared away
excellent
What would you reccomend a poor KDE user nowadays?
KDE5 is instable, ugly bullshit, and KDE4 is EOL. I could use Centos7, which ships a good KDE4 version… and nothing else, since rpmfusion for EPEL7 is dead. And my fedora20 is really, really, too old, but I cant afford to "upgrade" to a non-working system.
Rate my scrot.scrot()
{
printf "Taking shot in "
for i in {5..1}; do
printf "$i.. "
sleep 1
done
printf "0.\n"
import -quality 100 -window root +repage $(date +'scrot_%Y%m%d%H%M%S.png')
}
>>53697669
>What would you reccomend a poor KDE user nowadays?
made me kek 5/10
>>53697669
Plasma 5.5 is AWE-SOME
>>53696632
Because it is established. And it works.
I use rofi but there is no reason for it, could do the same with dmenu
>>53697713
If you ask me, that's digital pop art.
>>53697669
Use kde4 as long as you can or use the newest kde.
Maybe KDE neon would be a good distro as you get new KDE and stable core.
As for ugly, you can use the same themes as with 4.
If you used widgets, learn to write your own as they killed that part of the desktop.
>>53697735
I bound my fav 5 programs to hotkeys. Since I then, I never fired up dmenu again.
>>53697361
whats wrong with scrot?
its small and does the job.
>>53697189
epic
>>53697217
lubuntu isn't that much lighter but would be lacking quite a lot compared to xubuntu in functionality.
I need some help with a command I'm trying to run.
I use 'find' to execute tcptrace on each .pcap file in the current directory. The problem is, I need to run 'tail -n +19' for EACH item, not once at the end (as it currently is).
When I tried moving the '/;' to the far-right it gave me incorrect output. I think the pipe symbol is the problem.
>>53697795
So does your benis.
>>53697735
What's rofi?
>>53697709
>Plasma 5.5 is AWE-SOME
Theoretically:
Yes
Practically:
No
Yes, I get it, the icons are all really pretty, but they are also utterly unreadable, and I cant have every fuckin update change any icons. Tried it for a while, and after every large update, everything looked different.
And its totally unstable.
>Plop thinpad in its dock
plasma says
>shit! whats happening! imma gonna crash
restart it
>plasma finds external monitor and gets utterly confused and deletes all panels
remove thinkpad from dock
>plasma gets confused and crashes
>restart it
>lol, I still keep using the external monitor that is not there anymore, and well, your internal one, that stays black.
>have fun ;^)
utter crap
/g/ I need help.
I installed Clang via Guix but it doesn't look like it installed any documentation.
There's no man page or info page.
Is it possible to install the documentation separately, or did I miss some secret clang documentation package?
>>53697906
If you are interesting in clang and guix you should be able to solve that yourself ;)
>>53697859
why not use a for loop?
Seems more sensible
>>53697958
You mean a for loop in a bash script?
>>53697874
I don't have these problems, maybe you should try to clean up your configs.
You can change the icons (I also think they are very unintuitive)
If the monitor thing still exist, turn it off and write your own script you run on hardware changes
>>53698017
Loops don't have to be in scripts to work, anon. You can use them in normal commands just fine.
>>53698017
You can press ctrl+x, ctrl+e and it your terminal will open your editor.
Then you can write the function in a readable way and then it will run when you save it.
>>53698029
Can you give me a quick example m8? I've never used a for loop in the command line like this before
>>53698088
I don't use Bash myself so I'm not sure of the exact specifics, but I know it's possible. Google could probably help you nail down the specifics.
>>53698088
something likefor file in *.pcap; do
tcptrace $file | tail -n +19
done
>>53695838
Whats a good epub/ebook reader for linux? Preferably somewhat minimalistic
>>53698151
Calibre is pretty much the only one worth using, on any platform.
>>53698138
I think that did it. Thanks m8
>>53698187
Clunky UI, but this basically
So. Playing around a bit with Openbox in a VM, anyone know of a way to fix this?
I'm quite fond of LXDE(partly because for some reason LightDM just won't work).
Most lightweight DE(s)?
>>53698312
/etc/passwd contain entries for shit you uninstalled?
>>53698312
You fell for the systemd meme.
>>53698313
If you MUST have a DE, you can't get much lighter than Xfce, or maybe Étoilé.
But if you remotely care about speed or lightweightness, you won't use a DE at all.
>>53698313
LXDE/LXQt, Mate and Xfce are the go to ones.
I think Xfce is the most resource heavy one, but generally the most well liked.
>>53698313
LXDE is about as far off the deep end you can get, XFCE if you don't want your eyes to bleed
Alternatively, learn to use a window manager like i3, they tend to be light as hell by design
>>53698151
Like the other anon said Calibre i great, but if you are not going to use all the numerous functions and require something minimalistic the I would recommend fbreader
>>53698331
Oh yeah, there is an entry for lightdm, do I just remove it?
>>53698340
I did. Mostly because I don't really know what it does. Pretty much all I know is "it deals a lot with booting stuff and does more than it should do" pretty much.
>>53698392
Yeah just remove it and see if the error goes away when you start it again.
>>53698151
less
>>53698345
Speaking off, is there a "idiots guide to i3 out there"? Or is me asking for one pretty much a sign that I shouldn't bother?
>>53698392
Your second mistake was using a DM. DMs are bootcrashing cancer.
Systemd is forgivable if you just want something that works without hassle. DMs aren't. What distro is this?
>>53698411
Just get the reference card and keep it open in another tab if you need it. i3 isn't much more than its keybinds.
>>53698151
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>>53698411
i3 immediately gets easier when you realize every function it has to begin with is stored in a single, fairly small config file. Like it properly comments out every keybind and everything
>>53698411
https://fedoramagazine.org/getting-started-i3-window-manager/
it doesnt get simpler than this. It got me started.
my Wine repo is fucking up when I apt-get update, help
"the repository is insufficiently signed by key bla bla bla (weak digest)
>>53698478
yes
>>53698478
>apt-get
I found your problem.
>>53698401
Didn't seem to do much sadly.
Other than that I all I can think of that stands out is lxdm and my username.
>>53698418
Maybe it's time I learn to do without one. Using Arch, though yeah, I'm not much of a poweruser. Mostly use it for the AUR.
>>53698533
no meme answers please
>>53698533
Can this meme please die? Using Debian since 5 years and never got a problem with apt.
>>53698537
When I had the same error it was due to passwd containing invalid entries, not necessarily the same as you but worth a shot.
>>53698435
>>53698463
>>53698468
Thanks. I'll give it a lookyloo.
>>53698537
Protip, abandoning a DM makes your life a thousand times easier.
Suddenly when you want to customize your X setup it's just a couple of lines in one config file no matter what your DE is. Changing WM/DEs is just a single line in that same file. And suddenly Xorg fucking up doesn't actually break your boot, because you boot to a console anyway.
when will the memesters leave, jesus christ
>>53698555
Ah. Well, I appreciate the help.
>>53698568
Neat, guess it's time for some wiki reading.
iscrot()
{
import -quality 100 -screen png:- | convert png:- \
\( +clone -background black -shadow 80x15+0+0 \) +swap \
-background transparent -layers merge +repage\
iscrot_$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%S).png
}
Not sure if correct macfag shadow.
Yes, I'm imagemagick addicted. No bully pls.
>>53698568
[citation needed]
As long as you're not an idiot, a display manager like LightDM just works. On top of that, it's just as "easy" as your "couple of lines in one config file", whatever you meant with that.
>>53698682
>>53698739
i came
>>53698757
Can someone help me with screen tearing problems?
I am using an nvidia GTX 750Ti wit the latest proprietary driver in Ubuntu. I have 2 screens connected to it: one is 1920x1200, the other 1280x1024.
When I am using a WM, there seems to be always horizontal screen tearing everywhere, and it only goes away if I start a DM with compositing effects like Gnome shell. I tried the solutions I found (setting the GPU to max performance and enabling Vsync) but it didn't help.
>>53698788
compton --backend glx
I'm so close to settling on a distro and DE I like but not there.
I really like the minimalist Ubuntu taskbar combo File Edit View etc. menu at the top. The fact you can auto hide the side Unity bar and only have it pop up when you need something.
But.... Why can't you just get your installed applications in a hierarchy by category. Why this modern bullshit A-Z search supplemented with web search results and handy 'suggestions'. Argh.
Today on GNU/TV (sadly youtube; couldn't find a better source):
Richard Stallman: Liberating Software
2012-08-18, Spotlight Interview, RT
mpv http://youtu.be/uFMMXRoSxnA
>>53698796
Thanks. Where can I set this to run at every login?
>>53699069
Interviewer is a huge faggot.
>>53699100
Depends on your system. Either your DE related .desktop files, or ~/.xinitrc.
I got a strange problem:
I have got a strange problem, my video card is a Nvidia gtx 970 right now using Nouveau display driver, if I use proprietary driver by Nvidia everything works until the pc goes in the sleep state, when I "wake" it up it tells me there is no network available (I only use wired connection), but this doesn't happen if I use open source drivers... The only problem with open source drivers is that all the videos on the web flicker which didn't happen while using proprietary. Is there a way to fix all this mess? Thank you
I ran the inix -Fand this is what I got:
neil@Balthasar:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: Balthasar Kernel: 4.2.0-34-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: Ubuntu 15.10 wily
Machine: Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z97X-Gaming 7 v: x.x
Bios: American Megatrends v: F6 date: 05/30/2014
CPU: Quad core Intel Core i7-4790K (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
clock speeds: max: 4400 MHz 1: 4379 MHz 2: 4116 MHz 3: 4388 MHz
4: 4340 MHz 5: 4400 MHz 6: 4400 MHz 7: 4376 MHz 8: 4400 MHz
Graphics: Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
Card-2: NVIDIA GM204 [GeForce GTX 970]
Display Server: X.Org 1.17.2 drivers: (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
FAILED: intel,nouveau
Resolution: [email protected]
GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.6, 256 bits)
GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.0.2
Audio: Card-1 NVIDIA GM204 High Definition Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-3 Intel 9 Series Family HD Audio Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Card-4 Logitech Webcam C270
driver: USB Audio
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.2.0-34-generic
Network: Card: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller
driver: alx
IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.16
So I'm on Debian with GNOME. I wanted to try GNOME on Wayland, but when I select the option on the login screen and enter, I just get a black screen. A few seconds later I move the mouse to check if the monitor turned itself off, and I'm back at the login screen. Seems like I can only run it on System Default mode.
Why could this be? And is there any advantage to running it on Wayland that I'm missing out on?
which is the best linux distro for noobs?
i want learn plz
>>53699380
old/10
>>53699392
Ubuntu or Trisquel
>>53699392
>for noobs
Ubuntu
>I want to learn
You're never gonna learn if you stay in Ubuntu walled garden
>>53699408
>old/10
By a few days or so nigga
>>53699392
Debian.
>>53699410
>>53699408
Thanks
>>53699361
Which GPU do you have and which drivers are you using? It might not work with proprietary Nvidia or AMD drivers (Nvidia released a new version recently which works with Wayland though, but I don't know if you have that one installed.
>>53699433
Really
>>53699460
GTX 760, propietary NVIDIA drivers. I just installed them via aptitude nvidia-drivers
I'll look into the Wayland compatible version, thanks
>>53699361
>And is there any advantage to running it on Wayland that I'm missing out on?
Gnome 3.18 on Wayland, while only having a few kinks, is not something I would recommend for general use. 3.20 might very well be ready, but that does not immediately concern you, as it was just released the other day.
what are your opinions on playonlinux
>>53699526
I have no strong feelings either way
Does tlp do much if you install it in AC mode?
So i'm finally running ubuntu server with mate and it's bretty gud once its up and running.
I'm using the built in remote server and used vino to configure it and can access the machine via my desktop. However sometimes a prompt for sudo password dont show up and random applications won't show either, however they show up when I log into my iLO.
Why does it load a different desktop for remote viewing?
>>53699526
Saw some scripts for it, seemed like they added a lot of unnecessary things.
>>53699579
>server with DE
Literally kys
>>53699562
I'm confused. Are you asking if it makes any difference if you're on AC or battery when you install it? If so, no.
>>53699410
>You're never gonna learn if you stay in Ubuntu walled garden
But there's the same access to development tools and whatnot. It's just easier for us plebs to install Spotify or something random like that because there'll be 10,000 guides on the internet.
Why don't you learn anything on Ubuntu? I get enough screentime at work and want something that JUST WERKS, but what am I missing out on?
>>53697619
>>53699600
I'll get rid of it once I'm more familiar with all the commands and whatnot.
>>53699410
>walled garden
Please don't water out this phrase.
Canonical can be accused of many things, but they're not straight-out Apple.
>>53699612
I meant if I install it while the AC is connected, does it make a difference? So the answer is no
Why does it need so much extra libs and shit when I'm installing it on Debian?
>>53699621
I switched from Mint a few days to Debian. I have to say I've learned more about GNU/Linux in the last few days than I've learned about it using Mint for about 6 months.
I don't quite know how to explain it. I feel like the OS just trusts you more to look shit up on wikis and figure stuff out, it doesn't hold your hand that much (although it's obviously easier to use/install than Arch or Gentoo). I feel much more in control of it. I have my partitions and file systems set up just how I want them to on my SSD and HDD for maximum efficiency. Everything just feels leaner and better.
You're not missing out on anything super important by staying in Ubuntu or Ubuntu based distros, but if you have the time and the curiosity to check out its granddad Debian, you're likely to have a very fun time learning what's under the hood of what you've been seeing.
It's also incredibly solid. I'm on Debian Testing now and it's best of both worlds, stability and reasonably up to date stuff, with a rock solid foundation. As far as I know, Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. Take that as you will
>>53699644
You literally don't need a GUI to learn server stuff you stupid nigger
>>53699710
*a few days ago,
sorry
Is it possible to mix parts of DEs?
For example on Unity to use whisker menu?
Stuff like that.
>>53699311
noveau is still a WIP for recent cards
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
>>53699688
There's no difference if you're plugged in or not during the install.
>Why does it need so much extra libs and shit when I'm installing it on Debian?
--no-install-recommends
--no-install-suggests
But you might actually need the suggested packages.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/main/tlp
>>53699688
Being Debian, maybe it just recommends a lot of packages that aren't actually needed? Try --no-install-recommends if you wish. I'm try not to be too antsy about that stuff myself, but I don't know exactly how much we're talking about.
I checked what it would be like if I installed it on my desktop running Fedora. 14 packages, 7 MB download, 26 MB installed. Doesn't seem too bad, but perhaps not relevant here.
>>53699655
>but they're not straight-out Apple.
They are the Apple of Linux world. Everything has to be personally their very own. They have their appstore. They have their very own DE Unity, unlike other distros. They have their very own display server to replace X, unlike every other Distro developer who is working together to make Wayland work. Why can't they work together with the Linux community at large. They have to be a special little snowflake in everything.
>>53699744
Yes, but not so sure about Unity. It's a bit hard to get running that on other distributions than stock Ubuntu.
>whisker menu
Is that part of Xfce's taskbar? Install that and start it up in Ubuntu, but you'll have two taskbars, which is kind of silly.
>>53699829
Wow that's disgusting.
>>53699822
>during the install
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I'm a dumbass, I meant after you install it and run it using sudo tlp start, does it matter if the AC is connected?
Guessing it doesn't from what you're saying?
>>53699854
>>53699829
well they are a consumer oriented company. everybody could see this coming
>>53699860
No, it won't matter. It will just work according to how you set it up to work when it's connected to the AC.
You might want to enable its systemd service, so you don't have to start it manually after booting.
>>53699829
I get the comparison and what it's trying to say, but that's besides the point. Apple actually builds walled gardens. Canonical, whilst they have their own shit and NIH syndromes and insecurity complexes and what have you, are not at that level.
Once again for clarity: Apple builds actual walled gardens. It is a problem that far outreaches Canonical's antics. Do not water down the term.
>>53699829
They do try to appeal to Windows users after all
>>53699902
Oh that makes it ok then.
>>53699915
i never said that, anon
i'm just saying it was a predictable thing
>>53699860
Have a look at the configuration. Most settings have two values, one for AC power and one for battery.
>>53699904
AFAIK it does that by default now
>>53699829
>They have their appstore
Which is just a GUI front-end to their repositories.
>They have their very own DE Unity
Mint created Cinnamon, so what? The only downside to Unity is that it has trouble working on other distributions because of some specific Ubuntu packages (tweaks).
>>53699910
>but that's besides the point
Sure, it is. But you are the one that brought it up(assuming is you). What I meant by walled garden is what this anon>>53699710
experienced. Noob friendly distros, and wanting to truly learn Linux distros, are two seperate things. You will never learn if someone is holding your hand all the time.
What's the most similar torrent client on GNU/Linux to Windows' Halite? I really liked that one
>>53699970
Way to cherry pick it, and miss the most important thing. Why do they need their very own display server called Mir? Every other developer is working on making Wayland work, and what not, to replace X monstrosity. Its gonna benefit the whole Linux community at large. Im sure there are other things that I am missing
>>53700060
? It still looks like shit. What's your point.
>>53699713
There's no need to get booty blasted familia
>>53700031
>Every other developer is working on making Wayland work
Who's every other developer? How do you know they need more "developers" for Wayland? As far as I know, it's done and they're only adding things to the protocol.
I'm not really enthusiastic about Ubuntu doing their own thing with Mir, but it's not hurting anyone. If you're so annoyed by it, just wait it out since it might be another Upstart.
>>53700031
They'll dump it when Debian switches to Wayland
>>53700079
>As far as I know, it's done and they're only adding things to the protocol.
I wish this were true.
>>53700077
His point is that Unity can be used on other distributions too. Whether it's pretty or not has nothing to do with this and is your subjective opinion.
>>53699979
Nothing stops you from doing "Linux-learning stuff" on a *buntu, although I agree it is not an ideal candidate for mucking about with the system. But throw away the default DE and don't touch any of the full desktop meta packages, and there will not be much hand-holding going on. Canonical also does nothing to prevent the user from doing so.
It is not a walled garden.
If ubuntu implements Mir does that mean every spin-off of ubuntu will have it? I mean its not connected to DE, its deeper in the system core?
>>53700106
What is it lacking?
>>53700031
Simple harsh-but-true answer?
Because they fucking can
They know they basically have the desktop Linux market in their hand and can do whatever the fuck they want now
Say what you want about Shuttlewirth, guy may be a cunt but he did more to bring Linux to the masses than anyone barring Mr Fuckyou Nvidia.
It would probably be wiser for everyone to follow suit behind Ubuntu now, they fucking won, get over it. You don't even have to like or love Ubuntu to agree with me, you know how fucking right I am.
>>53700079
>but it's not hurting anyone
It is hurting the Linux community. Just what it needs, more fragmentation. Every company focusing on their own DE, display server, init, etc. We will have dozens of DEs, display servers, Inits, all of them half finished and buggy, due to lack of developers.
>>53700125
I have no clue I just heard it was in no place to replace Xorg yet.
>>53700130
But in that case I am right. They are Apple-ish. They are pushing their weight around and leveraging their market share to fuck shit up and push their own agenda against other Distro developers.
>>53700143
>Every company focusing on their own DE, display server, init, etc
Ubuntu isn't every company, stop exaggerating.
Having a dozen desktop environments isn't bad. You won't have a dozen display servers, you will have 2. You have 1 de-facto init system (and system management utilities) and maybe one alternative. Saying those are "buggy and unfinished" is such a broad generalisation and ignorant thing to say, it's ridiculous.
>>53700144
It's not Wayland's fault. You want to blame the GPU manufacturers and lack of compositors (apart from GNOME and KDE, or those niche standalone ones).
This is so fucking cute, you guys.
>>53700179
No argument there
I actually hope what that anon said about Upstart turns out to be true for Mir, I don't like it because they could just go with Wayland. I'm just saying its because they know what clout they have now.
>>53700212
>It's not Wayland's fault. You want to blame the GPU manufacturers and lack of compositors (apart from GNOME and KDE, or those niche standalone ones).
Ah so DE/WMs need to adapt to support it? Mmmm understandably roadblocking. I wonder how long til i3 handles it.
Regarding GPU manufacturers, fucking kek, ok see you next decade.
>>53700221
I sure love me some critical software updates.
>>53700230
>GPU
That's what we thought, until Nvidia actually put it into their new drivers
Nvidia are such fucks, seriously
>>53700212
>systemd isn't buggy and unfinished
>wayland isn't buggy and unfinished
>Mir isn't buggy and unfinished
>>53700250
Explain this post, sorry I don't understand.
>>53700144
It's in the hands of the developers of desktop environments and other stand-alone compositors. Basically the only reason we're not all running Wayland right now is that you can't just shove any old WM on top of Wayland and call it a day.
Arch users, how long does it usually take for new versions of desktop environments to hit your repos? Gnome 3.20 was released a few days ago with supposedly vastly improved Wayland support.
>>53700287
Nvidia are supporting Mir in their beta driver
>>53700230
>I wonder how long til i3 handles it.
There's a Wayland compositor named sway and it tries to be i3, but Wayland compatible. It also has the same config file layout.
>>53700340
Mir? Wayland?
>>53700273
>>systemd isn't buggy and unfinished
Name those blocking and crucial bugs systemd has.
>>wayland isn't buggy and unfinished
Name some Wayland bugs and how the core protocol isn't finished.
>>Mir isn't buggy and unfinished
I don't know about that one.
>>53700341
>tries to be i3
Ok so how long until the thing that doesn't suck supports it? I assume i3 would jump on it pretty quick, seems to be the kind of software that supports what wayland's goals are.
>>53700312
The last time it took 2 weeks or so. This is the first time I'm not anticipating a new GNOME/GTK release, because it will definitely break my favourite theme, Zukitwo.
>>53700379
I know the pain of theme breakage. I'm happy Adwaita actually looks good nowadays so I don't have to feel it again.
>>53700355
>Name those blocking and crucial bugs systemd has.
There are anons on here that hate systemd with passion and could explain it very well.
>Name some Wayland bugs and how the core protocol isn't finished.
Despite the fact that it still doesn't work anywhere? Don't get me wrong, im really exited for it. And at the times when ive tried it and when it actually worked it was great tho
>Mir
Cannonical can eat shit.
