I'm one of the Xubuntu exiles who left after Unity came out about 6 years ago, I'm calling everyone back to Unity now.
It's responsive and smooth as fuck, and I'm using a laptop from 2010 with a 512mb Nvidia and 8gb RAM.
The base memory usage at startup is 600mb~ (checked using screenfetch).
There's no reason to hamper yourself with decades-old crap like Xfce anymore, the fonts, the windowing, the speed, the transitions are all decent and you don't need even need a brand-new machine to run this.
Sorry if I'm shilling like fuck but I don't get the reason to keep outdated crap like Xubuntu around any more, not unless you still use a Pentium 3.
I tested Ubuntu 15.10 and it was using 600MB ram on boot, that's nothing special.
Ubuntu mate uses 300MB.
Both are very nice to use.
>>53693544
They don't support AMD HD videocards properly, cocksuckers.
>>53693544
>and 8gb RAM.
cool faggot, even tho RAM is cheap most people don't have more than 4gb, there are people with fucking 2gb on their laptops
Also botnet, so kill yourself
>>53693576
>botnet
That was kill in 15.04 you dumb faggot
>4gb
would easily be enough, you could get away with 2gb if you didn't do too much crazy shit like open 100 chrome tabs
Does it have icons on panorama view now? I remember it wasnt possible to distnguish apps/indows.
I prefer KDE
>>53693544
>one of xubuntu exiles
>crap like xubuntu
You are an imposter
Please fuck off
>>53693589
I run 2 GB and it's not enough, if you're browsing big /gif/ threads sooner or later you'll start swapping.
>>53693653
I'm not though. I am just willing to admit that Xubuntu doesn't need to hold back my hardware from looking nice and still allowing me to get the job done.
I used Xubuntu since at least 14.04 and actually installed it on a family members computer (where it's probably gonna stay because they like it, even though I'm thinking about upgrading them to Ubuntu because the hardware could easily handle it).
>>53693672
You would notice that swapping regardless of what distro you used then
>>53693692
I'm talking about Unity.
I just can't handle Unity aesthetics, so I prefer good-looking Gnome.
>>53693702
>regardless of what distro
Big /gif/ threads would lag even on Lubuntu
>>53693706
Okay but your opinion is wrong.
>>53693680
Ok senpai, what do you think could be better on unity than on xfce? It's not about the botnet. It's about performance, stability and ease of use and in all three unity performs worse than xfce
>base memory usage at startup is 600mb~
Wow, they said KDE level bloat could never be suppressed.
>>53693632
Absolute Madman
>>53693672
Try FF
>>53693724
It's kind of what I said already, the fonts and overall look-and-feel are just better than Xubuntu while not being significantly slower, so that's a win right there.
Also it's stable as fuck. Ironically the reason I am using the Ubuntu 16.04 final beta and not Xubuntu's is because the Xubuntu installer just kept crashing for me while Ubuntu was a smooth install (using btrfs btw). In a way I'm glad because I might have stubbornly refused to accept that Unity is okay if Xubuntu had just werked.
Ease of use is just ridiculously better, everything is easy to access and there aren't tonnes of pointless shitty programs in the launcher, everything feels clean, and if there's something I want to install it's only an apt-get install anyway.
Seriously try Ubuntu bro.
Because it's 2016.
>>53693726
>600mb
Don't know what you're talking about, KDE RAM usage is even worse (and the desktop still looks ugly and cluttered)
>>53693777
>not being significantly slower
So its slower. Also look and feel is nothing you can really compare. I for one think unity is fucking disgustful
>apt-get
Seriously, do you even know what xubuntu is? Did you try it? Or is Ubuntu 16.04 your first Linux distro?
>2016
Exactly. Stop falling for something only because it is red-violet and a bit different. Xfce is around since 1996 and xfce 4 came out in 2003. You can't stump that with something originated as a pourly implemented gnome shell
>>53693873
>So its slower
Only slightly. And IMO it's worth the better looks. You can disagree but you're a faggot so it doesn't matter.
>>apt-get
>Seriously, do you even know what xubuntu is?
Not sure what point you're trying to make here. Yes I have used Xubuntu for about 3 years. Are you saying you think I don't know Xubuntu uses the same userland tooling as Ubuntu?
>bit different
I'd call it a vast improvement built off lessons learned from shittier de's like Xfce.
Also you can't argue with those trips anon.
It's more about Unity and GNOME cutting features. Just doesn't feel right setting refresh rate and mouse acceleration through external script.
>>53693544
Still looks like shit. Any features that make it worth it over GNOME? (Provided I actually *like* GNOME)
>>53693915
Also, apt is literally 5 times slower than pacman when it comes to installing same apps.
>>53693943
Haven't used GNOME since 8.04 so I couldn't really say. But GNOME 3 doesn't look great in the screenshots.
>>53693544
Can it play Doom?
Well, while I don't like Unity and its lack of customization, I will say that it indeed performs really well.
On my system that perfectly handles last year's titles, Gnome has choppy animations and it can be clearly seen it's not supposed to behave like that. Unity however, at least on the beta I tried yesterday for 16.04, ran perfectly fine with all the eyecandy it has enabled by default. No choppiness or anything. So they must be doing something right there.
Then again, that doesn't mean it's amazing. I have no choppiness either with any Windows version with every effect enabled, or hackintosh.
>>53694058
Course it can, why wouldn't it?
>>53694058
Yes
>>53694061
I guess as long as it can hold its own against two huge powerhouses, then yes they're doing something right.
>>53694095
It can keep up specially with the thing they're doing with Unity 8 and Mir. That will bring out plenty of "normalfags" who might feel they need something that is easy to use on a computer, runs fine on a small crappy laptop and looks like android. It's also touch friendly and all.
Really if they play their cards well plenty of people won't have a reason to use Windows 10 other than those who need their computers for graphic design or videogames.
I have to say ubuntu mate w/ win95 gtk & icons is not only comfy to use & keeps normies from asking me questions and when they do I just say "its windows 7 in classic mode because my laptop is slow" (it looks the part too - thinkpad x220) but its also extremely battery friendly with tlp and fast af and if you configure hibernate to work on lid close then you've got yourself a great trooper.
>>53693544
>The base memory usage at startup is 600mb~ (checked using screenfetch).
Why not usingfree -h?
>>53693576
You're using the term botnet without even understand what it is.
Ubuntu core with unity has an spyware inside it, but it's not hidden in code and it's not impossible to remove - all it takes is to disable it in few seconds.
It's a spyware which we're warned off and we have the option to 100% disable it.
when your DE is literally slowing you down from working, like Unity does, where the search function randomly stops rendering mid-typing, you can't use it. I mean, you can, but I can't, because I need to get shit done
>>53694133
Or functional OCR software, or infinitely more software.
>>53693632
DELETE THIS
I've been curious to try Unity out properly since I heard you can style it using CSS like you can GNOME Shell.
>>53693544
>Qt
Really hope Qt takes off now that arguably one of the most influential distros switched to a better framework.
Death to GTK
Can you add keyboard shortcuts in unity for the windows manager? Like crtl + alt + F1 to resize a window?
>>53694990
What distro changed to qt?
>>53694990
Death to GTK, but also Qt5 is a piece of shit.
Qt4 is literally the best there is. No bugs, looks beautiful, works perfectly.
>Qt5
>bugs out the ass, completely broken on highDPI, looks like shit out of the box (unless you port cleanlooks from qt4)
>developers following gtk3's mentality of “fuck user customization”, no more qtconfig
>>53695037
Ubangles
>>53693544
>The base memory usage at startup is 600mb
Is this supposed to be a good thing? Some of my older laptops only have 2 GB RAM. My WM-only setups use 100-150 MB.
>>53695306
You get what you pay for. I could use awesomewm but I know it wouldn't have defaults remotely as good as Ubuntu.
>>53693544
Still worse than mate or gnome even
>>53693544
Unity is pretty awesome.
>>53693544
Tried it a few weeks ago
I'll stick with XFCE, thanks.
>I'm calling everyone back to Unity now.
What is this even supposed to mean, why the hell wouldn't you stay with Xubuntu?
>>53693632
Does Lennart hate icon view due to some autism reasons or something?
Why won't they merge the fucking patches?
does the dash still look like shit?
>>53693898
>Calls xfce shitty
>Believes his opinion matters
lel
>>53695439
That's got to be one of the best looking /desktop/s I've ever seen on /g/, clean and yet beautiful
>>53695521
NIH syndrome. It doesn't conform to Red Hat's godly vision, therefore He is not allowed to implement it.
The user is wrong, and besides, they have commit rights and you don't so fuck off.
>>53695439
Gentoo and unity are like a hand and glove.
>>53695268
Bbut unity is just another gnome shell
>>53693544
>Unity
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No.
It's literally the worst shit out there you fucking ubuntu babbys
I bet you don't even know your system.
>>53693632
hahaha_no_owl.jpg, please!
>>53693544
Sorry we all moved to Mate, forgot to tell you bro.
Fuck your shitty dock man.
xfce is love.
xfce is life.
>>53695809
>let's just make shit up
There's no mergeable patch. See
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154#c87
>>53693632
>that padding
>those colors
>those icons
No thanks, i'll stick to GNOME.
>>53693632
KDE has no idea how to design around space. That dialog is hilarious looking.
>>53693544
If you left Xfce over 6 years ago, then you're missing out a lot, OP. I too tried some ancient versions of Xfce years ago and they were horrible compared to gnome 2 or the fledgeling Unity. Nowadays, Xfce is absolutely gorgeous, lightweight and straightforward. Around 500MB of RAM without background stuff like Skype, Syncthing, etc and both gtk2 and gtk3 themes work great with no tinkering required.
Here's a pic of my netbook's desktop.
>>53695056
>>53695056
>gtk3's mentality of “fuck user customization”
wut? GTK+ customization has been getting better and better with each release. try writing a theme for 3.20, it's a fucking dream compared to before, nevermind the mess that was fucking gtkrc.
>>53698975
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
>>53699038
what does a vague email from 2005 have to do with anything? I'm telling you about GNOME/GTK+ in 2016, which is what Linus Torvalds actually uses.
>>53698729
what is hilarious looking and completely non functional is gnome file picker
>>53699038
It's fine for many workflow, which don't involve choosing images often. For example, core features for me are a good search function, and the being able to see recent files, both of which it does very well.
I can see why it's such a critical feature for 4chan shitposters/Reddit users, which is why it gets so much attention, but it's not a deal breaker for everyone.
>>53699230
Mean for >>53699176
>>53698885
What icon theme are you using? I like your wallpaper, but i think dark xfce themes are way nicer than what you have there tbqh senpai
To all the rest that you stated: Absolute truth
If I install the final beta, will I be upgraded to stable when it releases?
>>53693544
Maybe because people have tastes?
>muh taste is better than anyone else's
>>53698885
I left Ubuntu 6 yrs ago not Xfce, that's when I found XUbuntu
Who gives a shit, Cinnamon's the only semi-decent DE anyways.
>>53698885
looks good dude what are those icons?
also dont forget to add that xfce is so much open to customization that you can make it look however modern or old as you like
Ubuntu Unity has been fine for years now. Hating on it is just a meme now.
>>53699374
Yes
Is unity still too slow for a virtualbox VM?
>>53699748
Not if you have proper drivers installed for your GPu
>>53695903
Unity 8 isnt
Ram note made to be free
>>53699284
>What icon theme are you using? I like your wallpaper, but i think dark xfce themes are way nicer than what you have there tbqh senpai
>To all the rest that you stated: Absolute truth
>>53699597
Those are Faenza, we're actually discussing icon themes in another thread >>53694028 .
I'm glad you like it ^^ I DID mention that the old screenshot was my netbook, here's my current rig. Dark and bright themes work just as well in my book.
>>53699545
>I left Ubuntu 6 yrs ago not Xfce, that's when I found XUbuntu
Whoops, sorry I misunderstood you.
>>53698885
garden of words?
>>53698885
I left Xfce 2 years ago because the hidpi support was completely shit. Have they fixed it yet?
>>53701936
>I left Xfce 2 years ago because the hidpi support was completely shit. Have they fixed it yet?
Someone else would have to answer that, sorry.Graphics: Card: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.17.4 driver: intel Resolution: [email protected]
>>53701936
Just use MATE, basically same shit as Xfce at this point
>>53702326
I tried MATE, and you are right. It is the same shit, which means is has completely shit hidpi support as well.
>>53693544
I think it'll be even better when Unity 8 comes out. Did they actually remove the Amazon search feature?
>>53702439
Yes.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
> Online searches in the dash are now disabled by default
>>53702476
Damn, I'm actually impressed. Do you have any idea when Unity 8 comes out? Possibly in the final release in April?
>>53702525
Its already out, you can install it if you have a good GPU like a recent Nvidia that has Mir support in the driver, then just install it from the repos
>>53693544
>device name: niggers
god damn thats daring, provocative, or trend-setting.
>>53702850
Thank you for being the first person to notice, friend.
>>53702995
Everyone noticed. No one cared
Nope, still sucks. Go with Mint (cinnamon) instead, or wait for KDE Neon.
Ubuntu is gay.
>>53703038
You cared. That's all that matters to me.
>>53693544
>Xfce
is it even being maintained?
>>53703226
He looks like Qain
>>53693544
performance was never my gripe with unity. usability, however, much more so. it's like gnome3 but even worse because it doesn't use the gnome shortcuts which, imho, is just silly. and i don't even like gnome3 because, you know, there was nothing fucking wrong with gnome2 so there was no reason to fucking change it. what. so. ever.
so yeah. depending on the use case and power of the machine, i'll stick with i3wm, lxde, or mate, thank you. might try kde soonish, i'm hearing and seeing good things. gnome3 and unity - not even fucking once.
>>53703582
>might try kde soonish, i'm hearing and seeing good things
>>53702850
fuck off.
>>53703603
i used to think that way, but the screenshots of late are making me want to try it. i also tried unity again, just to check if it still sucked. it did.
>>53693632
How do I make kdialog the default filepicker for firefox??
Literal master race, reporting in
>>53703582
stfu
>>53704009
>StumpWM with GNU Nano and not The One True Editor, GNU Emacs
You're missing out on the ultimate stumpwm experience.
>>53704089
It's a new machine and I may have lost my old .emacs.
I am not bright.
>>53693544
ubuntu gahnome is da bom
>>53702850
edgy eft was a few versions ago now
>>53698885
You call that gorgeous? It looks like shit
>>53701936
Only good options for hidpi monitors are Plasma, Gnome, Unity, and Cinnamon. That's it.
>2016
>his DE still doesn't have thumbnails in the file upload dialog box
>>53695439
How does one get a terminal like that?
>>53693632
Feels breddy good
>>53705726
Which moron at KDE thinks horizontal scrolling isn't a fucking terrible thing?
>>53705726
>thumbnail and preview
y tho
>>53698975
>wut? GTK+ customization has been getting better and better with each release.
It's 2016, can you tell me how to write a simple, short config file in which I can override the core colors of whatever theme I'm using with my own?
Gtk2 can do this
Qt4 can do this
Qt5 can do this (with third party programs)
Gtk3 cannot do this last I checked
and I asked on their IRC and they told me to fuck off and that “user customization is bad mmkay” and that I should just write my own theme and all sorts of other baloney.
>>53706514
Do you know how to change colors in CSS? Then you know how to change any colors in any GTK+3 theme. It's not hard to figure out. No need to override anything.
>>53706586
>Do you know how to change colors in CSS?
Yes.
>Then you know how to change any colors in any GTK+3 theme.
But I don't.
>It's not hard to figure out.
I just did a quick google search and that pointed me at /usr/share/themes/<themename>/gtk-3.0/gtk-contained.css which looks like this: https://0x0.st/PrD.css
Yeah, that's not exactly what I'd consider customizability. Might as well patch the CSS parser of gtk3 to hard-code replacements for some colors, that's going to be easier.
Actually, that's a great idea. I'll go ahead and do this now, it's certainly simply than gtk3's “customization”.
There is no point switching to Unity now. They are about to revamp EVERYTHING again with Unity 8. It will be a disaster for at least two years, even worse than Unity and Gnome 3 were when they came out. They are trying to fix everything that isn't broke in a stillborn attempt to capture the smartphone market.
Gnome on the other hand is in a stable place, with new releases being basically just bug fixes, small tweaks and Wayland support.
KDE just did their big update to 5, so it's kind of unpolished right now, but at least it will only get better from now on.
So thinking purely in terms of release cycles: Gnome > KDE > Unity.
I've used all the major Linux desktop environments and pretty much all of them impressed me. I don't get why people feel the need to put down the users of other desktops, and be so tribalistic about it. They're all good.
>>53706514
gtk3 can in fact do this, and I imagine qt can as well. It's very simple. I've done it myself a few times.
>>53706747
See >>53706678
What exactly am I doing wrong? So far the easiest way does seem to be literally patching the function gtk_css_color_value_resolve insidegtk/gtkcsscolorvalue.c.
If you keep insisting that Gtk3+ is capable of doing, how come I can't find any examples of people actually doing this.
Exactly what is the gtk3 analog to ~/.gtkrc where I can just have 10 lines defining my 10 color overrides?
>>53706829
Ok, I'll make it very simple for you. Look.
Do that, stick it in a file called "gtk.css" and put it in ~/.config/gtk-3.0
Done. Try looking in the obvious place for documentation next time.
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkCssProvider.html
>>53706899
Without that post I would surely have *never* found that page. I don't exactly consider API documentation the prime real estate for user-facing customization guides.
But thanks, it seems like that actually works. Is there any way to figure out what exact CSS elements I need to style? I mean I can do* { color: foo; }but obviously that just forces it globally and doesn't let me differentiate between e.g. text on tabs, text inside dropdown dialogs, etc.
also
>tfw customization will still never be as simple as qtconfig in Qt4
>>53706829
>>53706829
>>53706829
Wait, so you want to edit a gtk theme, essentially make a mod of it with different colors?
Right? So edit the file /usr/share/themes/"themename"/gtk-3.0/gtk.css and replace the color values with whatever colors you want.
Depending on your desktop environment, there are also a few graphical applications to do this with a color picker thing.
>>53707135
>Wait, so you want to edit a gtk theme, essentially make a mod of it with different colors?
No I just want it to conform to my system-wide color scheme like everything else in the world manages to do.
I don't really want to make a “new” theme. That sort of hassle is exactly what I'm trying to avoid. I just want to override the colors like I can with qt4, see >>53707070
>>53705635
It's the regular Gnome terminal with Solarized Dark colorscheme and palette.
It's built into most terminal emulators nowadays.
>>53707260
no the formatting
>>53707070
It's probably a foolhardy venture now. See:
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/StyleClasses
Also GtkInspector is your friend here.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Inspector
>>53707296
JUST SAY THAT YOU WANT MY PS1 THEN YOU RETARDED PIECE OF SHIT.
Give me a second. I'll turn on my laptop. Just for you.
>>53707296export PS1="\[\033[0;37m\]\342\224\214\342\224\200\$([[ \$? != 0 ]] && echo \"[\[\033[0;31m\]\342\234\227\[\033[0;37m\]]\342\224\200\")[$(if
[[ ${EUID} == 0 ]]; then echo '\[\033[0;31m\]\h'; else echo '\[\033[0;33m\]\u\[\033[0;37m\]@\[\033[0;96m\]\h';
fi)\[\033[0;37m\]]\342\224\200[\[\033[0;32m\]\w\[\033[0;37m\]]\n\[\033[0;37m\]\342\224\224\342\224\200\342\224\200\342\225\274 \[\033[0m\]"
Put this in your .bashrc or whatever you use to run commands on shell logins.
Ubuntu MATE is better
>>53707433
thanks
>attempt to install Gentoo
>can't set up a de
>attempt to install arch
>can't set up a de
>install Windows 7 and give up
I want to get into the Linux meme, by fuck I can't do this.. I followed the guides to the T.
>>53693589
>That waa kill
Source
>>53693544
>Sorry if I'm shilling like fuck but I don't get the reason to keep outdated crap like Xubuntu around any more, not unless you still use a Pentium 3.
There's no reason to use Ubuntu at all. Just use Debian. Ubuntu was created with bullshit botnet features. I'm told those features have been fixed, but I don't care. Any distro that would ALLOW such a thing a to happen should be dismissed entirely.
Would you pardon a child molester, just because he promised to stop molesting children from now on, and that it was just an accident the first time?? Then who would you pardon a distro that molested computers it was installed on.
>>53707596
eselect profile list
eselect profile set somenumberfromthelistabovecontainingkde
emerge kde-apps/kde-meta
Or
pacman -S xorg-server plasma-meta
>>53707596
>falling for the arch or gentoo meme
>>53707596
You can just use Architect to install Arch.
Also, don't listen to /g/. Nothing wrong with installing a distro that comes pre-packaged with a DE.
>>53707743
>friend calls up, computer is fucked
>he drops it off
>10,000 toolbars
>reformat
>install Arch Linux
>compile everything from source
>get superior rolling release minimal system
>force all daemons and proessces, x windows, etc required to be manually started (like they SHOULD BE)
>return laptop
>he calls up
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT WHAT DID U DO TO MY COMPUTER FUK U KID
Fucking Linux noobs, just die already.
>>53707596
I bet you didn't install Xorg lmao
>>53693573
AMD fags on suicidewatch
>>53708064
The sin is changing someone's OS without consent. GNU/Rapist
>>53693552
I have 32GB. who actually cares?
GOT A PROBLEM WITH ANY UBUNTU DISTRO IF I USE **ANY GPU DRIVER FOR 980TI**
MG279 Asus monitor (identified properly, 1440p and 144hz).
When I shut down my monitor from power buttan, and open it again I get 'no mini DP signal' and I see nothing (but the power light and sometimes HDD light do flash)
It can't hot plug the monitor back in
help?
>>53694058
yeah you can play freeDOOM
yeah it is worse but it is OPEN SOURCE
>>53694836
Isn't it disabled by default in the new unity ?
So now it should be opt in instead if opt out.
>>53710043
The pooinloos and hues who only have 2gb or less
If you're serious you're barking up the wrong tree here at least.
-Most of the vocal turds on here don't really care about linux, they just want to pretend to be psuedo-intelligent. Just like they must choose some obscure piece of shit distro, they also must have some obscure piece of shit WM, both of these take forever to configure and they like it that way. Unity mostly just works and goes directly against this shitty mentality.
-JUST BY THE VERY FACT that it's mainstream it won't be accepted. And that it is the one that comes with ubuntu. If ubuntu somehow killed unity in the night and adopted ratpoision/i3/fluxbox or whatever other garbage, they'd drop it also as quickly.
-All of the "memory footprint" autism will not play nice with even moderate usage of memory, again even on 2010 hardware that can easily handle even on a laptop. Again have to overcomplicate things and turn it into a psuedo intellectual number as in if you have a lower usage then you're smarter than everyone else somehow.
-We've long since passed singularity for the amazon meme, shits around here genuinely spout this as a reason. Same shit in another thread will be defending linux "because you can take out anything you want", ubuntu outright tells you the amazon package by name if you want to take it out. It's not that they don't know this - it's just a hipster reason they can pretend to believe in to go against you. I remember when it was fledgling as a reason, but now it's said in a drone like matter almost like gun losers repeating "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
You're completely wasting your time on /g/ with this, or have never visited a desktop thread once. It's basically a dick waving match to see who can overcomplicate display a picture of an anime.
Every board is full of losers the difference is that /g/ losers trained for years and then dropped out of college for the privilege of compiling obscure 80s software
>>53695056
>no more qtconfig
qt5config exists, but not every distro chooses to build it.
I prefer KDE or MATE or LXDE
I prefer anything that isn't GNOME 3
>>53695439
>gentoo
>unity
>systemd
>>53713360
literally living the dream
>>53713360
Are you frustrated that systemd is actually decent and well performing?
>>53713549
>systemd is actually decent and well performing?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>53710996
What the fuck is this shit?
>>53706709
> Gnome > KDE > unity
You mistyped there mate, let me fix that for you
xfce > mate > Gnome > KDE > unity
