>The United States Department of Justice (DoJ) has slid a disturbing footnote in its court filing against Apple that could be interpreted as a threat to seize the iOS source code unless Apple complies with a court order in the FBI case.
>The DoJ is demanding that Apple create a special version of iOS with removed security features that would permit the FBI to run brute-force passcode attempts on the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone 5c.
>Meanwhile, President Barack Obama has made public where he stands on the Apple vs. FBI case, which has quickly become a heated national debate.
>In the court papers, DoJ calls Apple’s rhetoric in the San Bernardino standoff as “false” and “corrosive” because the Cupertino firm dared suggest that the FBI’s court order could lead to a “police state.”
The fuck are you doing America?
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/03/14/dos-threats-seize-ios/
land of the free lol
It's not a totalitarian govern guys.
Would Apple moving out of the US be a big hit to the US?
>>53505222
Extremely, I'm
Hoping Apple moves out of the US, or this kickstarts the next civil war.
People that argue it will help them get Isis are idiots
>plastered over the world news
>Isis tells users to switch to android or dump phones
>iOS is use exclusively by liberals an faggots screaming "muh goberment isn't bad"
>USA begins final stages of transforming into a totalitarian state
Or if the rumors are true, Apple releases iOS 9.4 with uncrackable encryption and superior security features, says fuck your to the government and its the end of Apple reign.
>“If it was technologically possible to make an impenetrable device where there’s no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer? How do we disrupt a terrorist plot? How do we even do a simple thing like tax enforcement?” Obama posed.
I'm tired of these two bogeymen being shitposted over and over, why can't Murrika come up with something new?
>>53505222
>>53505290
They should come here to India
>>53505420
I'm pretty sure they want to move to a country with working toilets.
While I respect Tim Cook for standing up to FedGov on this, I wish he were more like Trump. He needs to get on TV and state that if the FBI doesn't back down Apple will move the entire company, all operations, off shore and never return.
Fucking tyrants...using this as an excuse to fuck up our privacy even more. And all because THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR GOD DAMN JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>>53505222
>>53505420
hello
>>53505529
>get phone from Arabic serial killers
>killers destroyed all other electronics because of good opsec
>leave cheap 5c
>because it has nothing on it
>law enforcement/fbi change password for some fucking reason
>rather than doing an iCloud backup you can capture or social engineer password using now dead suspects appleid
>flip the fuck out because they are incompetent as usual
>we could make the nsa give us the password but then America would wonder where the evidence came from, thus validating that govt has backdoors/good hacking ability
>fbi tries to make apple give security stripped version
>Apple says no lol
>oh shit they called our bluff
>uh-uh give us the source code or else!
>>53505571
they copied the swiss railway clock in ios5 or so, will they be okay with this?
>>53505115
Is the iPhone really more secure than Android devices? Serious question.
>>53506038
After the DoJ gets their hands on the source they'll probably force and upgrade on every iOS user putting a backdoor on the device. Assuming Apple doesn't do that and shut everyone out of the phones beforehand, or at least destroys the iCloud auth servers and disables OTA update with a final firmware (I assume iOS 9.3/9.3.1 if they do this)
Either way, expect iOS 9.2/9.3 to be the last secure versions of iOS.
>>53506126
What about Android?
>>>>53506192
...what about android?
Our systems are (generally) open source.
We can do whatever the long diggity fuckkity we want with our OS's, manufacturer and even if a bit limited, consumer as well.
>>53506126
Shit If iCloud gets buttfucked then pretty much anything that uses an appleid is screwed too (iTunes and App Store).
Really praying for a 9.3 jailbreak to be released after the event on the 21st.
>>53506192
Swiss cheese.
Google loves to take it in the ass.
>>53506242
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>53505115
Seriously fuck yankees as a whole. This shit is against their own law and nobody cares.
Kek this whole debate is bullshit. Nsa already has access to apple and apple will deny this because nsa tells them too.
The whole fbi deal is just to get pr points against encryption. Apple was and will never be secure.
>>53505115
>iOS source code
They would still need their crypto signature
>>53505951
>>get phone from Arabic serial killers
>>killers destroyed all other electronics because of good opsec
>>leave cheap 5c
Everyone seems to fucking forget these facts, that phone has jack shit on it if they left it and got rid of everything else ...
>>53505115
fuck off. the phone should be unlocked
>>53506459
android isn't secure either though
>>53506126
>Either way, expect iOS 9.2/9.3 to be the last secure versions of iOS.
Doubtfull, not with this issue being VERY public driven
I dont get why the feds didn't just keep quiet and wait for some kind of exploit to possible show up
>>53506459
Is this true? What phone operating systems are secure then? Windows? Ubuntu?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2016/03/10/surprise-nsa-data-will-soon-routinely-be-used-for-domestic-policing-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-terrorism/
This is terrifying.
>>53506514
Because the information on the phone could be time sensitive.
>>53506535
>Because the information on the phone could be time sensitive.
kek, like a cyber pathogen. Amirite?
>>53506459
The thing is that the FBI knows that there is nothing on there. There is almost a 100% chance they have gotten into the phone already. But it was done using the NSA. Now if the DoJ comes out tomorrow and says "it's alright guys we got what we wanted let's go on to something", then people will wonder what the chain of custody path was. Which would undoubtedly reinforce the notion in the public that the NSA spying has continued or even been expanded since Snowden. Which would cause a fuckton of distrust in the govt on top of this really chaotic presidential race.
I remember reading somewhere that empires/govts only last on average for 250 years. Depending upon the date you chose for the US, 1776 or 1789, we are getting awfully close to a collapse. If you take the average (250) as a fixed rule.
>>53505115
how is that a threat?
they got the source for pgp, gnupg, truecrypt etc. too, yet can't break it.
apple ain't microsoft, apple knows "security by obscurity" doesn't work.
>>53506522
This is going in the direction where the government knows everything you do if you're not completely disconnected from the internet. Full 1984, and obviously has been the intention of this whole bullshit all along.
>>53505115
What's the point in the NSA spying on everything you do if the FBI have to hack into your phone to get information?
There can't be any information on this phone that isn't also stored in an NSA server somewhere in Fort Meade.
Either your cops are actually retarded, or this is all about setting a precedent, using a mass killing as an excuse.
If your company is in the US, you're fucked.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2551277/Technology-giants-reveal-ordered-turn-information-Government.html
>>53506741
>dailymail
Here's my question about all of this.
Why can't the FBI, with its near infinite resources, simply remove the memory chips and read them manually?
>>53506770
lel
>>53506507
>>53506522
None.
Dont store sensitive information on a phone.
>>53506770
They can, but that would cost more per iphone than just having a backdoored ios version for themselves.
>>53506664
You've already answered your own question. Also it's sad that people on the pro-privacy side will never be able to enlighten the other side as to why the device was left alone. Hell they think it's the suspect's main phone and they don't know that the FBI/law enforcement already fucked up their one chance to get in without involving Apple.
All of this is a deliberately constructed situation built with lies using manipulation to control the public.
The public is fooled into thinking this is for justice while they unwittingly create the prison of the future.
>>53506758
it's true though.
Yahoo had to pay fines for not handing over information.
>>53506770
/thread
>>53506770
They can. They probably did. They just want the golden key.
>>53505115
It's time for Apple to move out of the US. Base themselves in Switzerland and to hell with tyrannical regimes.
>>53506788
The scary thing is that I'm not sure if I should be storing it on my PC either. I should have a separate, disconnected PC for note taking and other important shit.
>>53506664
The NSA cannot break AES256. It's a good bet they really can't get the data on the phone.
It's an even better bet that they don't believe there's anything of value on the phone since it wasn't destroyed. Remember that he didn't own the phone, and there was a one month window between his last iCloud backup (in FBI hands) and the murders. He didn't store anything of value on that device in that window.
Which means this is about setting a precedent and getting the tools to hack anyone's phone.
Use a 6 character or longer alpha numeric passcode on your iPhone and do not use iCloud for backups. Backup locally via iTunes but make damn sure that this is also encrypted (the option is in iTunes).
I'm torn on Touch ID. With Touch ID you're more likely to use a longer alpha numeric passcode. But the phone can't be used for 48 hours in order to force pass code entry. If law enforcement can get a warrant fast enough they can force you to unlock the phone. (You can't be compelled to give up a password. You can be compelled to unlock bio-metric devices however.)
>>53506770
iOS being iOS, doesn't it store shit they'd like to get to encrypted, essentially making this pointless?
Besides that, I guess they just really want a backdoor.
>>53506904
You shouldnt. Get a separate pc, put linux on it, full disk encryption, have a separate bootloader on a usb flash or even sd card, carry it everywhere with you.
>>53506935
The answer is to weaken the area around the finger pad used for unlocking with scarification and kill off the nerves so you can quickly chew your fingerprint off if you're apprehended.
>>53507002
this is so fucking paranoid
what are you going to store on this box
>>53506788
Dont store illegal information on a phone is what you mean.
Good, pedophiles and terrorists don't deserve privacy. This is no different to letting the cops enter your home to search for an escaped convict who might be hiding there.
>>53506770
The flash chips are encrypted using AES256.
The key is based in part on a SoC UUID which the chip will not communicate to the outside world.
If you can disable passcode failure delay / auto wipe on the specific phone then you can try to brute force the passcode which is relatively simple/low entropy.
If you pull the chips, or read their data off into a VM, then you have to brute force the entire key space of AES256. Which isn't going to be successful short of quantum computers we cannot build yet.
>>53507002
Yeah I agree. I wouldn't go as far as the bootloader system though, making sure it never touches the internet is the most robust and important measure you can take. I don't see cops raiding my apartment as likely since I honestly do nothing illegal.
>>53507094
And what determines that someone "might" be hiding?
>>53507094
Hello NSA.
YES! YES! DO IT YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS!
End all company trust in US tech companies and end the eternal anglo's reign as the world secret police.
>>53507140
>do nothing wrong
>posts on 4chan
It's over for you buddy. Boomers, govt and police think this site is full of terrorists, pedos and anarchists. Their feels will be reason enough to put you in jail.
Meanwhile Jamarcus will be released because he was a good boy who dinnu do nuffin.
>>53507277
It should have already happened after Lavabit desu, but I guess the big circus Apple has whipped up around this will do a better job.
>>53507280
>>53505115
King Nig is above the law, he gets what he wants when he wants it.
>>53507172
If you can't look you can't know.
I hope the DoJ actually does this and forces Apple to relicense iOS under the GPLv3
>>53507049
How did you know?
>>53505115
get here anons
anons should hear it too
>>>/news/28992
>>53505115
>a simple guide on how to make every tech company leave the US
Seriously, if Apple loses this then no tech company will stick around and every modern device made in the US should be considered potentially hardware back doored as the precedent would allow the government to then push out signed firmware updates for any of the various hardware in your devices such as the Intel Management Engine on post 2008 Intel processor, AMD's Platform Security Processor on post 2013 processors, ARM's Trustzone on any Cortex A series SOC (anything with better specs than a second gen iPhone and any single board computer still made or made recently that isn't a first gen Raspberry Pi), the firmware for the baseband processor in any phone ever, etc., and no software coming from the US would ever be able to be trusted.
>>53506664
I have drug dealers trying to break into my house every week and the police tell me to 'call my landlord because it's outside of our jurisdiction'
seriously. this is what they tell me.
and you expect them to track down terrorists?
HAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GOOD ONE
>>53506595
>I remember reading somewhere that empires/govts only last on average for 250 years.
Rome would like to have a word with you, anon.
>>53507094
Clapper pls go
>>53507717
Have there ever been any examples of how exploits embedded in the microcode on x86 processors or the BIOS might be possible? If so, then you can throw out a lot more.
>>53506617
they can do just what they want apple to do, a 4 digit pin isn't secure unless you can modify the software accordingly
>>53507851
http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
>>53506192
Andorid is insecure as fuck, Google gives technology to the Government. Nobody in enterprise world wants to use Android for this reason as well.
>>53506305
Your Appleid is your email, and FBI/NSA has taps on nearly every email provider. They could easily find the terrorist's email, and hijack the email account. Once they hijack the email account, they could reset the password. Once they reset the password they can gain full access to the account.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201354
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202659
With it, you get access pretty much access to all first party services done by Apple. Including Emails, Contracts, Imessage, Facetime, Credit Card, the App the person ever downloaded. They only thing they don't have is the pass code to unlock the device
>>53506522
At least with ubuntu touch you'll notre have a backdoor. But if they want your data they just ask your mobile operator or use imsi catcher. Or the services you use evryday like Google, gmail, youtube, skype,microsoft, facebook..
>>53507717
The original Raspberry Pi's and first generation iPhones used ARM1176JZF-S processors, which did feature ARM's TrustZone:
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/classic/arm11/arm1176.php
>>53506459
How do you know that though? I've always seen "bla bla backdoors are on everything" talk on /g/, but never any real evidence.
It just seems like empty fluff talk that paranoid people on /g/ believe for some reason is true.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm paranoid and automatically assume it's true, myself. But if anyone could point me to some actual proof of this shit, I would be ecstatic.
>>53508107
Is Ubuntu touch OS encrypted like iOS's? I run Ubuntu on my PC and laptop and would like to transition away from Google completely
>>53507993
Thanks anon. This is the document.
>>53508063
How can they get in if I have 2FA setup?
>>53505171
Soon people will move to Russia so they can be free
>>53505222
We should just turn California into a big Detroit
>>53508525
>How can they get in if I have 2FA setup?
They just use the recovery key, but I don't think FBI would be able to reset it since they can't bypass Apple's firmware encryption.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202649
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204921
That i said few people use those features, FBI doesn't have to worry about it. The Terrorist didn't even use that feature that either.
>>53505357
>wah kiddies
>ooh torrorist
Always the same fucking shit.
>>53508063
>They could easily find the terrorist's email, and hijack the email account. Once they hijack the email account, they could reset the password.
They already have the iCloud backup. But it's one month old. Some asshat at the gov office that owned the phone reset the iCloud password already.
But that means the phone has the old password. And the phone can't automatically backup if brought into the office building (WiFi). And now whatever changed on that phone in the month before the attacks is AES256 encrypted and lost forever if the FBI can't modify the phone to brute force the pass code.
tl;dr - the fucking idiots at the FBI let the terrorists in, let them shoot up an office, fucked up the crime scene, and now wants Apple to compromise their product because "hurr durr we screwed up."
Fuck them.
The whole case is so obvious a gubernment case to get a precedent ... that it's hard to believe they would work so clumsy. Either they really believe that their population is full of brain dead retards or the people working for FBI are incompetent beyond belief.
It all being a huge ruse and Apple sucking off government dick in secret seems more realistic.
>>53505357
Niggers just aren't smart or creative
>>53505529
You realize that Trump supports FBI and shits on privacy, right?
>>53505529
Trump is a pandering populist who hates freedom because that's how you get votes in America.
>>53507993
That is amusingly inaccurate. The Roman Empire fell roughly 300 years after that says they did, not to mention that the Eastern Roman Empire continued for another 1000 years after that.
>>53510679
> Eastern Roman Empire
A pathetic shadow, no where close to Roman empire at basically anything.
>>53506466
It's mentioned in the same sentence in the document but the article writer probably doesn't recognize that that's the far more important thing they want to seize.
>>53510589
Resetting the password wouldn't do anything because they wouldn't even be able to unlock the iphone from sleep due to passcode, and be able to login.
Your itunes, icloud, imessages,etc are the same master password for your apple id. Apple id password is the same for all devices on the iphone. Reset the password changes the password for all of apple devices and services.
Iphone would ask for the new password if they able to get passcode screen. They can reset the passcode, but they would have to erase the data on the device. That's why they need Apple's help to get the passcode.
>>53510718
By the end, sure. For a while it was more powerful than the Western Roman Empire, though.
>>53505222
They just built brand spanking new Headquarters in Cupertino so i doubt it.
